Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 179980 times)

sfa82 · « **Reply #135 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:53:34 PM »

I don't know if this has been covered already, but what would the reaction had been if Rashid was approached and refused a call-up to the England Test team?

I am also not familiar with the county ins and outs, but if Yorkshire were so unhappy with him not wanting to play red ball cricket, why still keep him as part of there system?

Big Mac · « **Reply #136 on:** July 27, 2018, 05:54:30 PM »

Quote from: alexevo94 on July 27, 2018, 05:44:46 PM

His comments about Vaughan were uncalled for and one of the reasons i like him as a pundit is it says it how it is.

Nah.

I think Rashid has shown nothing to suggest he won't be rubbish at test level but he's spot on about Vaughan. Vaughan is a poor quality Twitter troll who only gets people nodding along with his nonsense because he's famous and we should all applaud whenever someone points out that fact.

Big Mac · « **Reply #137 on:** July 27, 2018, 06:11:28 PM »

Quote from: sfa82 on July 27, 2018, 05:53:34 PM

I am also not familiar with the county ins and outs, but if Yorkshire were so unhappy with him not wanting to play red ball cricket, why still keep him as part of there system?

Exactly. Yorkshire offered him a white ball contract after Rashid said he didn't want to play first class games for them, they can't get annoyed now because Rashid isn't playing a first class game for them.

alexevo94 · « **Reply #138 on:** July 27, 2018, 06:13:02 PM »

Quote from: Big Mac on July 27, 2018, 05:54:30 PM

Nah.

I think Rashid has shown nothing to suggest he won't be rubbish at test level but he's spot on about Vaughan. Vaughan is a poor quality Twitter troll who only gets people nodding along with his nonsense because he's famous and we should all applaud whenever someone points out that fact.

don't get me wrong some of what he says is nonsense, but what he said about Rashid is something we were all thinking. I don't have problem with Rashid accepting the test call up he would be a fool to say no. My problem is with selecting him in the first place

Manormanic · « **Reply #139 on:** July 27, 2018, 06:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Big Mac on July 27, 2018, 06:11:28 PM

Exactly. Yorkshire offered him a white ball contract after Rashid said he didn't want to play first class games for them, they can't get annoyed now because Rashid isn't playing a first class game for them.

Really?

Rashid made his approach in mid March. There was no time to get a replacement, so what option was there really, save telling him he was legally required to play all formats? Best of a bad situation.

SD · « **Reply #140 on:** July 27, 2018, 06:42:18 PM »

Quote from: alexevo94 on July 27, 2018, 05:44:46 PM

His comments about Vaughan were uncalled for and one of the reasons i like him as a pundit is it says it how it is.

Personally I thought that Rashid 's response to the abuse he has received from those connected to Yorkshire was fairly measured. Vaughan spends too much of his time these days with Robbie Savage as he has turned himself into football's version of Savage - a pointless bore desperately seeking to remain relevant by picking arguments.

Manormanic · « **Reply #141 on:** July 27, 2018, 07:09:23 PM »

Quote from: SD on July 27, 2018, 06:42:18 PM

Personally I thought that Rashid 's response to the abuse he has received from those connected to Yorkshire was fairly measured. Vaughan spends too much of his time these days with Robbie Savage as he has turned himself into football's version of Savage - a pointless bore desperately seeking to remain relevant by picking arguments.

this is the view of most every Yorkshireman as well. Vaughan the player was one of us. Vaughan the media personality iS a Lancastrian Piers Morgan wannabe

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #142 on:** July 27, 2018, 07:25:10 PM »

Quote from: golders on July 27, 2018, 04:49:47 PM

If he deserves the call up, he deserves the call up.
Simples.
Maybe this says it all about how we treat leg spinners in this country and why we have never had a decent one?

How does he deserve a call up ?? He hasn�t played red ball Cricket and white ball is massively different. He isn�t consistent and even the kohli dismissal was mainly becusee he was looking to be aggressive. Tests he will Just milk him and smash the crap that he does bowl..

He might do ok but this is yet another nail in the county championship. Now payers have seen buttler and Rashid get a gig without playing red ball (or doing well).. how many more will follow ..

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #143 on:** July 27, 2018, 07:30:37 PM »

Rashid is in the England team because at the moment there's no one better in red ball white ball pink ball or tennis ball.

SD · « **Reply #144 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:17:32 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 27, 2018, 07:30:37 PM

Rashid is in the England team because at the moment there's no one better in red ball white ball pink ball or tennis ball.

Agreed. I can appreciate the point of principle, that it sends a poor message as to the value of the county championship. However, I don't see the pragmatic argument as to his ability. I can't see any alternative spinner who turns the ball away from the right hander who has shown better form on any format. I am sure that but for injury, Jack Leach would be in this squad instead of Rashid, but I haven't seen any credible alternative given that Leach has missed the majority of the season

golders · « **Reply #145 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:17:56 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 27, 2018, 07:30:37 PM

Rashid is in the England team because at the moment there's no one better in red ball white ball pink ball or tennis ball.

Good shout

six and out · « **Reply #146 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:55:30 PM »

Do we now think Rashid is going to play though? After all it is Ed Smith that has picked the squad but it is Root that picks the team.

Is Mo or Rashid or are both going to play?

beaver5 · « **Reply #147 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:00:45 PM »

I felt that Buttler was more of a punt than Rashid. Look how that has paid off! Rashid has his faults but is just about the best spinner we have. All wrist spinners bowl bad balls, unless you're Warne! Unfortunately they are all compared to him and obviously found wanting.

Manormanic · « **Reply #148 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:07:57 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on July 27, 2018, 09:00:45 PM

I felt that Buttler was more of a punt than Rashid. Look how that has paid off! Rashid has his faults but is just about the best spinner we have. All wrist spinners bowl bad balls, unless you're Warne! Unfortunately they are all compared to him and obviously found wanting.

On some levels, correct. In a five man attack he probably is (he doesn't bowl enough first innings overs for a four man attack)

But...

...there is a principle here. Butler had a reasonable argument that he wanted to.play first class cricket but was drawn away on.other high profile commitments. Rashid actively avoided the first class game.

This isn't me speaking as a Yorkshire fan. He has missed at most two games. One was a bore draw with Kolpaks, the other we annihilated the Vile Weed. But as someone who cares about our county game, it is awful to think that the selectors have effectively sidelined it.

SD · « **Reply #149 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:24:09 PM »

Quote from: six and out on July 27, 2018, 08:55:30 PM

Do we now think Rashid is going to play though? After all it is Ed Smith that has picked the squad but it is Root that picks the team.

Is Mo or Rashid or are both going to play?

They have gone with a squad to cover all bases depending on what they find when they arrive at Birmingham but, if the current weather holds, you would expect the pitch to start breaking up by day 5 even if it is green at the start of the game so I would be picking both spinners. Given the ability of Stokes, Ali and Rashid with the bat, the can afford to pick a 4 seamer, 2 spinner attack

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