Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 149004 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #375 on:** December 31, 2019, 03:31:38 PM »

Quote from: edge on December 31, 2019, 12:29:53 PM

Quite keen for Bess if Leach can't play, really rated him in his short first test spell but his bowling obviously wasn't quite there. Couple of years later you'd hope he's come on from there, look forward to seeing how he goes if he does play.

Its not the first priority but Bess can bat and that might help his cause for selection

A tail of broad anderson and archer looks like zero runs to me. archer cannot bat not sure what the expectation was..

shadowlight · « **Reply #376 on:** December 31, 2019, 04:18:53 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 31, 2019, 03:31:38 PM

Its not the first priority but Bess can bat and that might help his cause for selection

A tail of broad anderson and archer looks like zero runs to me. archer cannot bat not sure what the expectation was..

Wasn�t Archer built up as an all rounder during the Ashes, especially right after he scored a century in one of the games for Sussex 2. What happened?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #377 on:** December 31, 2019, 04:32:51 PM »

Quote from: shadowlight on December 31, 2019, 04:18:53 PM

Wasn�t Archer built up as an all rounder during the Ashes, especially right after he scored a century in one of the games for Sussex 2. What happened?

Umm, it suddenly wasn�t pathetic 2xi cricket !?!?!

Jimbo · « **Reply #378 on:** December 31, 2019, 06:28:07 PM »

Archer can definitely give it a bash but that's not much use against high quality bowlers who are getting plenty of movement/spin.

ppccopener · « **Reply #379 on:** December 31, 2019, 06:56:40 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 31, 2019, 06:28:07 PM

Archer can definitely give it a bash but that's not much use against high quality bowlers who are getting plenty of movement/spin.

Yes indeed. Interesting to see what England do, clearly the old adage if 4 seamers cant do it 5 wont be able to either, going without a spinner i really dont like at any time.

Leach i dont think England fancy, no point bringing Woakes in so if Bess plays(i think he will) Archer,Anderson or Broad misses out.Curran was our best bowler in the last match...

Broad has bowled well over the last year,Archer is dangerous if used correctly and Anderson is just coming back.

Who would leave out from those 3? Or could it be Curran?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #380 on:** January 01, 2020, 09:38:33 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 31, 2019, 06:56:40 PM

Yes indeed. Interesting to see what England do, clearly the old adage if 4 seamers cant do it 5 wont be able to either, going without a spinner i really dont like at any time.

Leach i dont think England fancy, no point bringing Woakes in so if Bess plays(i think he will) Archer,Anderson or Broad misses out.Curran was our best bowler in the last match...

Broad has bowled well over the last year,Archer is dangerous if used correctly and Anderson is just coming back.

Who would leave out from those 3? Or could it be Curran?

Curran to be left out. Isn�t the messiah with the bat and is a lesser bowler than the rest. Offers effort which tbf is more than most but it should never be enough to get you a test spot

Whispering Death · « **Reply #381 on:** January 01, 2020, 12:22:07 PM »

Parkinson would be better bowler but eng will go with Bess to help with the batting as usual

Buzz · « **Reply #382 on:** January 01, 2020, 12:51:30 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 01, 2020, 09:38:33 AM

Curran to be left out. Isn�t the messiah with the bat and is a lesser bowler than the rest. Offers effort which tbf is more than most but it should never be enough to get you a test spots

You clearly didn't watch the last game when Sam was our best bowler.

Archer has an injured elbow so likely to be out.

Quote from: Whispering Death on January 01, 2020, 12:22:07 PM

Parkinson would be better bowler but eng will go with Bess to help with the batting as usual

Parkinson looks a batsman's dream of a bowler. Absolutely no point in him playing.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #383 on:** January 01, 2020, 01:30:11 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 01, 2020, 12:51:30 PM

You clearly didn't watch the last game when Sam was our best bowler.

Archer has an injured elbow so likely to be out.

Parkinson looks a batsman's dream of a bowler. Absolutely no point in him playing.

It�s still worth investing in pace or people who can offer control/consistent movement .

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #384 on:** January 01, 2020, 01:36:41 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 01, 2020, 01:30:11 PM

It�s still worth investing in pace or people who can offer control/consistent movement .

Or giving the young lad a chance to develop those whilst he's never let England down and has what all good bowlers need... The nack of taking wickets

SD · « **Reply #385 on:** January 01, 2020, 01:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Whispering Death on January 01, 2020, 12:22:07 PM

Parkinson would be better bowler but eng will go with Bess to help with the batting as usual

Agree entirely. Parkinson is a wicket taking bowler but is a genuine tail ender. Bess' batting seems to have come on more than his bowling. Seems to be more of a replacement from Ali than a genuine front line spinner

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #386 on:** January 01, 2020, 02:51:42 PM »

Have any of you ever seen Parkinson bowl with a red ball? He was woeful in the warm up games (which is likely a contributing factor to him falling down the pecking order).

He's a wicket taking white ball bowler. In the Championship he struggles to get into the Lancashire side consistently. He tosses the ball up and relies on turn for his wickets. He may get away with it in the County Championship, but the South African top order will be praying he does get a game!

It's also worth noting that while Parkinson has been mixing and carrying drinks, Dom Bess has been at a spin bowling camp with Rangana Herath in Mumbai, with the general consensus being he's a much improved bowler compared to when be last played test cricket.

Jimbo · « **Reply #387 on:** January 01, 2020, 03:14:57 PM »

Bess does also have the advantage of being a pretty handy fielder.

Buzz · « **Reply #388 on:** January 01, 2020, 09:22:41 PM »

Bess will play and it will be the first time a Keeley bat has been used by an England player in the test arena...

SD · « **Reply #389 on:** January 01, 2020, 09:50:28 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 01, 2020, 02:51:42 PM

Have any of you ever seen Parkinson bowl with a red ball? He was woeful in the warm up games (which is likely a contributing factor to him falling down the pecking order).

He's a wicket taking white ball bowler. In the Championship he struggles to get into the Lancashire side consistently. He tosses the ball up and relies on turn for his wickets. He may get away with it in the County Championship, but the South African top order will be praying he does get a game!

It's also worth noting that while Parkinson has been mixing and carrying drinks, Dom Bess has been at a spin bowling camp with Rangana Herath in Mumbai, with the general consensus being he's a much improved bowler compared to when be last played test cricket.

As a Lancs supporter I have seen him bowl in the CC and call me old fashioned but there is something about a spinner bowler who relies on turn for his wickets that I tend to look at in selection decisions. It is a sign of the weakness in England's tail though that they are so desperate to get Ali back. Bess is the obvious replacement as long as Ali doesn't make himself available

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