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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2010, 11:22:09 AM »
Quote from: jonpinson on December 02, 2010, 10:38:34 AM
I hoped that is how this thread might be interpreted. I would have no problem with people assuming that is what I was aiming for.

It is pretty obvious I think what I'm trying to do here. I got a bit annoyed yesterday at the reaction to the Legends by certain people, so I am trying to justify their price to everyone, myself included.

If I ordered a Private Bin, it would cost more, and would be made from the third best grade of willow that Laver has. I don't see the value in it. Laver's top 20% of his willow isn't going to be somehow magically better than the top 1% that GN gets. Alot of this is hokum and mumbo jumbo. 'If it costs more, it must be better' etc.

I'm still waiting to be told about a viable alternative, a maker who has enough wood of this quality regularly in stock, who will do a bat for under £320. It is amazing that those who were so quick to criticise the Legends yesterday with comments like 'I'd expect perfection for £320' haven't reappeared showing me these mythical batmakers who must make them flawless bats for £100 all the time.

Strange.

I think, Jon, that the perception is that for £320 you'd be getting as close to a perfect bit of willow as you can get, straight grains (I'm not sure if they'd be bothered about quantity of grains, just quality mainly?) And that you could get similar standards of willow for lower prices, for example my County bat has 14 or 15 dead straight grains, but a bit of heartwood, and that cost £150, but I'd be willing to pay a bit more. I'm sure performance-wise those GNs are up with the best of them, but for me no cricket bat is really worth £320! I'm not sure anybody is saying that for £100 you'll find a 'perfect-looking' bat, but their view is that for that price you'd expect, I don't know, straight up and down grains I suppose!
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2010, 11:22:32 AM »
And just think, Andy, you sold me a bat for £100, which has equally exceptional performance - although it doesn't have 20 perfect grains...
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2010, 11:34:46 AM »
If the bat had excellent performance I couldn't care less if it had knots, stains and 1 wavy grain.

Psychological factors aside
You're not looking at the bat face when you hit the ball.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2010, 11:42:29 AM »
SAF:

In truth I don't know. There are a seemingly countless list of makers from whom you can get a top performing bat for £200 or under, yourself included. I do understand looks do not equal performance, but I think the perception with the Legend is you will be getting performance and looks, which is a much rarer thing. I've never been bothered by looks in the past, I have had some lookers for sure, but it was never the primary importance.

Let me throw the question back to you then, the AOC bat which I think you have said would have fallen into your £180 bracket was clearly a top performer. With that in mind, what do you base your inaugural grade on? What will the customer be told to expect from it above your standard top grade? Are we actually just talking about the same thing?
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2010, 11:45:52 AM »
Quote from: Beachcricket on December 02, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
If the bat had excellent performance I couldn't care less if it had knots, stains and 1 wavy grain.

Psychological factors aside
You're not looking at the bat face when you hit the ball.

Preach brother!! Totally agree with that. My Uzi only has 9 grains, they aren't picture perfect but its performance is un matched!
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2010, 11:56:52 AM »
would it be right to say alot of people assume it will be an amazing performing bat just cos it looks pretty
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2010, 11:58:25 AM »
Quote from: Canners1983 on December 02, 2010, 11:56:52 AM
would it be right to say alot of people assume it will be an amazing performing bat just cos it looks pretty

If there was a nail you might of hit it on its head.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2010, 12:02:20 PM »
Quote from: Canners1983 on December 02, 2010, 11:56:52 AM
would it be right to say alot of people assume it will be an amazing performing bat just cos it looks pretty

Expecially the case when buying on here and every bat has super 'ping', it's all you've got to go on really.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2010, 12:16:23 PM »
the thing is you cant tell how well a bat is pressed by the number of grains. I would be more inclined to buy a bat cos its got a massive profile for its weight, rather than it having 'x' number of grains
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2010, 12:19:07 PM »
Quote from: jonpinson on December 02, 2010, 11:42:29 AM
SAF:

In truth I don't know. There are a seemingly countless list of makers from whom you can get a top performing bat for £200 or under, yourself included. I do understand looks do not equal performance, but I think the perception with the Legend is you will be getting performance and looks, which is a much rarer thing. I've never been bothered by looks in the past, I have had some lookers for sure, but it was never the primary importance.

Let me throw the question back to you then, the AOC bat which I think you have said would have fallen into your £180 bracket was clearly a top performer. With that in mind, what do you base your inaugural grade on? What will the customer be told to expect from it above your standard top grade? Are we actually just talking about the same thing?

They get what you said above, the looks and performance but that said everyone that asks me even on the Limited Edition gets told about the Grade 1 [Premier Willow] bat
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2010, 09:40:44 PM »
Quote from: Canners1983 on December 02, 2010, 11:56:52 AM
would it be right to say alot of people assume it will be an amazing performing bat just cos it looks pretty

I think when it is this much money, that is a fair thing to assume.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2010, 09:41:33 PM »
Quote from: Canners1983 on December 02, 2010, 12:16:23 PM
the thing is you cant tell how well a bat is pressed by the number of grains. I would be more inclined to buy a bat cos its got a massive profile for its weight, rather than it having 'x' number of grains

You are quite right, that is sensible.

I however, am not.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2010, 01:25:47 AM »
Who said you could get a perfect bat for £100?

I was one of the 'certain' people who werent impressed with the pictures but isnt that are individual right to expect what we deem to be a near enough perfect bat for £320?

At the end of the day its your money and you spend your money you take your chance and its for you to decide whether it is worth ot, I think you will be waiting a very long time if you think you can persuade everyone on here that the legends are worth £320. Price is only determined by what people will pay for an object and some of us maybe naively expect an exceptional, flawless piece of willow for £320!

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