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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Aussie on December 06, 2013, 10:19:28 AM
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Been watching the West Indies against New Zealand and saw them all wearing Shrey helmets. They look identical to both Slazenger and Masuri, just a different logo on the back. Also the South Africans were wearing pink ones last night.
Not that I know much about Masuri and Slazenger as I wear an Albion, but are these Shrey helmets just copies?
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http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/pink-helmets-12-year-partnership/88582 (http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/pink-helmets-12-year-partnership/88582)
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I was going to post about this last week but forgot! I was flicking through the photos on Cricinfo and Abhinav Mukund's helmet confused me. Thought it was a fake at first!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/image/694417.html?object=6;page=2 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/image/694417.html?object=6;page=2)
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think they make the masuri lids
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Makes sense as they look identical. I wonder if the Indian helmet market is like the bat one. Factories making equipment which is later re-branded. So Masuris and Slazengers I assume are made by these people who have now decided to basically just brand them with their own logo.
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When We visited bas vampire 4 years ago pusph kohil a son of the owners , told us his cousin in Jalandhar made the masuri lids .Not sure masuri will be 2 happy with this is there design not copyrighted? Also don't masuri or Albion do sign each country up as there official suppliers?
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Is anybody selling these already , or is it a one off thing ?
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Graham Smith is wearing one today.
They must have got jack of English arseholes claiming on their website that the helmet made in Jalandhar was "British Made".
I don't blame them.
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Here is a close up:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/cooldewd/ShreyHelmet.jpg)
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Graham Smith is wearing one today.
They must have got jack of English arseholes claiming on their website that the helmet made in Jalandhar was "British Made".
I don't blame them.
Masuri have recently changed to UK production. The grilles are made over the road from me.
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Here is a close up:
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/cooldewd/ShreyHelmet.jpg[/url])
OMG I want one!
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So what I think might be the case is that Masuri have moved production to the UK which means no more need for the company in Punjab that have been producing them. So that Punjab company which has everything set up, simply keeps making them and instead brand them as their own.
Not that it concerns me at all as I wouldn't use anything other than my trusty Albion.
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So what I think might be the case is that Masuri have moved production to the UK which means no more need for the company in Punjab that have been producing them. So that Punjab company which has everything set up, simply keeps making them and instead brand them as their own.
Not that it concerns me at all as I wouldn't use anything other than my trusty Albion.
If that be the case I hope they have something in the pipeline for when the new regs come out,
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If that be the case I hope they have something in the pipeline for when the new regs come out,
The new regulations (TomTek can correct me if i am wrong) Only apply in the UK and Aus/NZ i believe.
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From the info we have been told the New regs will become applicable to all ICC competitions played globally.
What i suspect maybe the case is that Shrey will continue to make the model that has been discontinued by Masuri as they wont pass the new BSI standard....dont quote me on this as its only my best guess.
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Can someone share details about this new standard thats being discussed? Just curious..
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Can someone share details about this new standard thats being discussed? Just curious..
Ayrtek will be better placed to tell you the full ins and outs, but I believe it is centred around the ball not penetrating grill/peak to get to the eye socket.
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=27755.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=27755.0)
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No way known will I be wearing those new (Masuri) abominations.
Not a snow flakes chance in hell.
I would rather bat in a cap than in something so (No Swearing Please) looking.
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If Masuri jump the shark - and it looks like they have capitulated...I will get Shrey's details and order my helmets through them.
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No-one is forcing you to. Any existing helmet is legal to use for the rest of it's life. Once the new regulations are signed off, us retailers can no longer sell the old style helmets, and manufacturers can no longer make them. If TomTeks interpretation of the new regulations is correct, that means Shrey won't be able to manufacture them either.
An Aditek helmet is another option.
Wouldn't know about Albion as we don't stock them since a change of distributor, but they did not present anything new at the Lords Trade show.
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No-one is forcing you to. Any existing helmet is legal to use for the rest of it's life. Once the new regulations are signed off, us retailers can no longer sell the old style helmets, and manufacturers can no longer make them. If TomTeks interpretation of the new regulations is correct, that means Shrey won't be able to manufacture them either.
An Aditek helmet is another option.
Wouldn't know about Albion as we don't stock them since a change of distributor, but they did not present anything new at the Lords Trade show.
Not exactly correct Jake - once the new regulations are released, the manufacturer has 6 months in which to sell their stocks and there is no time limit on the retailer. So we as retailers could still be selling our existing stocks over the next year or so if need be, alongside any new models that are released.
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I knew about the grace period. Wasn't aware it only applied to manufacturers. If we had any stock left at the end of that 6 months we planned to ignore any calls for us not to sell them anyway.
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I will buy up another five or six helmets and that will see me through to the end of my days.
I will never wear those new abominations.
I would rather go helmetless.
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I will buy up another five or six helmets and that will see me through to the end of my days.
I will never wear those new abominations.
I would rather go helmetless.
No need to panic mate.
Those Shrey people can make anything. Have ordered (10 or so helmets) from them before.
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Look at this . These guys are very aggressive . https://www.facebook.com/shreyhelmets (https://www.facebook.com/shreyhelmets) .
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Anyone distributing these in England yet ?
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I have now read a lot of discussions on Shrey helmet ..... personally i still think it is with no doubt the best and most comfortable helmet on the market ..... whatever the deal is with other manufacturers . DO you think Graeme Smith , Kallis , Duminy , David Miller and many more great batsmen will use an inferioir product ?
I think this video is an answer to Ayrtek's confusion , i found this from their Facebook . These people will get it upto the new regs , i guess seing this .
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I doubt that very much as they will have to go through a complete redesign as Masuri have done. The pros can still wear what they want as the new standard hasn't been published yet.
Selling a product that doesn't meet the latest standard can be a risky game to play when trying to get public liability insurance etc as a company.
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Alright , its on players head and other cricketers will simply follow . Till the time players are safe , they need comfort level and good cricketer look . Of course cricketer doesn't want to look like riding a bicycle wearing any other helmet which looks like a bicycle helmet or something which gives artificial plastic look and is huge on the head like Round albion one's or new masuri abominations . Cloth covered look gives it exactly English cricket look and i love it .
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If players people want fashion over function when choosing a safety product then that's entirely upto them, when I play the game it's not my livelihood and profession at stake should I get injured.
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yeah ! You are right on one point . But if you are getting both , i guess thats super !!!! So maybe internation players are getting both and they are ofcourse the better judge's .
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Not really, why do u think Masuri have had to go back and re-design the helmet?
It is was so "safe" and capable of passing the new BSI standard Masuri wouldn't have spent time and resources designing and developing a new range that is capable of passing the new standard. The old if it ain't broke don't fix it saying springs to mind.
Anyway I wish Shrey good luck with their venture if taking on the model.
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yeah ! You are right on one point . But if you are getting both , i guess thats super !!!! So maybe internation players are getting both and they are ofcourse the better judge's .
I think you are high
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actually , now i see a contact between your replies and your username . I think Masuri can better answer you on that . yeah ! i am high on holidays .
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Iv spoken to their MD and we have attended bsi meetings with him and all the other major helmet manufacturers about it so I'm fully aware of all the changes that are coming and what's required to pass them :)
Didn't see any representative from Shrey there though?
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Personally I could never wear one of those new age funny looking helmets either.
BSI standard or not- a well fitted good quality shrey or last year style Masuri is great protection. Let's not forget we are talking club cricket. Guys have been using those helmets at international level for so long .....all of a sudden they are not good enough and even dangerous! Nanny state and more rules !
The issue, if there is any, is with poor quality super cheap helmets or helmets which have been fitted incorrectly.
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I think you are high
I don't think he's high....deluded maybe?
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I will be completely honest if there worn at first class and test level there good enough for me plain and simple it will be interesting to see a price.
I have used almost ever helmet on the market from Forma to Ayrtek and these look decent as well i have no worries about using one if i get one..
I like them in the way i liked the old Masuri and there a growing number of International players using them
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No need to panic mate.
Those Shrey people can make anything. Have ordered (10 or so helmets) from them before.
Mate, I have already contacted Shrey.
GREAT guys!
My club will likely order 20 of them...Masuri's loss is Shrey's gain.
Nanny state crap in the UK can go to hell.
We are not obligated to even wear helmet's in Oz, so I doubt that their specs will even be considered here.
Shrey will take over the helmet market by the middle of 2014. Masuri will be bankrupt within two years as their product will be boycotted, and the other marginal brands will remain just that, marginal.
Shrey are the right guys at the right place at the right time.
God bless the Kohli brothers and their foresight.
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The forum has gotten weird
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It's amazing how resistant to change people are. I wonder if the first helmets, first split finger gloves, first webbed keeping gloves etc provoked such strong reactions?
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Maybe the coming change is not giving people any motivation to change . Maybe the current product is still better for them . Ofcourse people has shifted quickly from Nokia to Iphone but Iphone has to be better from all the aspects . Performance , weight , looks . Very less people goes for samsung as these phones are bulky looking and Uphone is still smart and thin .
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Maybe the coming change is not giving people any motivation to change . Maybe the current product is still better for them . Ofcourse people has shifted quickly from Nokia to Iphone but Iphone has to be better from all the aspects . Performance , weight , looks . Very less people goes for samsung as these phones are bulky looking and Uphone is still smart and thin .
Hi Cricketforlove. if you have a relationship with Shrey like working for them, I think disclosing it would be fairer on members.
the reality is people are resistant to change and in a load of cases the masuri style lid has been acceptable.
as the older style masuri lids become extinct in the uk, where most of the forum followers are, there will have to different options used, regardless of the so called "nanny state" rules. the new style masuri lids aren't a patch on the other options out there in the uk currently.
unfortunately for you Shrey lids aren't an option now
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I guess in that case many of the people commenting here have a relationship with shrey and noone even clearly knows the story behind shrey . Its just a discussion nothing personal . Why are we taking things personal now . We all are just giving our own views . After the holidays you wont even see me commenting here as i will be busy at work again . But the reality is as other pepole said here , masuri old style and shrey's helmets is something which is popular amongst the cricket players .
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the reason I ask if you have a relationship with Shrey is because you have come on here, only posted in one topic with some confidence about a business which most on here know very little.
it is fair to the sponsors of this forum to know who they are speaking to.
it is apparent that the shrey business made the old style lid, which most on here would not have known.
you are clearly proud of the product which is great, the have been the market leading lid for years.
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the reason I ask if you have a relationship with Shrey is because you have come on here, only posted in one topic with some confidence about a business which most on here know very little.
it is fair to the sponsors of this forum to know who they are speaking to.
it is apparent that the shrey business made the old style lid, which most on here would not have known.
you are clearly proud of the product which is great, the have been the market leading lid for years.
Buzz, what we have to consider here is the facts.
The facts are, as soon as Masuri announced that they would be ditching the popular traditional styled helmet in favour of this idiotic design, virtually ALL the international players who were Masuri users have DUMPED Masuri and have voted with their feet by defecting to Shrey.
What does that tell you?
It tells me that Shrey will soon be rivalling Albion as the most popular helmet used.
It also tells me that the recent changes will ensure that Masuri will be bankrupt within two years and will end up as nothing more than a footnote in cricket equipment history, much like Saint Peter who were all the rage in the late 70's.
God bless Shrey for having the courage to stand up to the corrupt fat cats.
The international players have spoken - and it is Shrey they support.
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I understand what you are saying, but shrey won't be allowed to sell their lids in the uk, other than if people buy them direct from India.
I can't comment on the future of Masuri, other than to say I believe their new lids are worse in the flesh than in the pics! but people need to make their own minds up. They have put their necks on the line and other than Adidas no one else has released their attempts to meet the new regulations.
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Will be interesting to see where shrey go when the regs come in as it's a mute point till then
But if they continue to sell a product that does not meet standards will retailers still sell them and is there anything that can be done to them for selling an unregulated product?
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If the ICC will mandate the use of helmets that meet the required regulation, International players won't be allowed to use Shrey helmets. What will they then do?
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If the ICC will mandate the use of helmets that meet the required regulation, International players won't be allowed to use Shrey helmets. What will they then do?
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They will point to this:
SHREY CRICKET HELMET 2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIwBX5mu874#)
...and the corrupt ICC will crumble...
The BCCI will support Shrey and every other association will be snookered.
Rule #1 - you can never beat the BCCI.
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International players will always be allowed to use what they want.
Why is there so much anti other helmets.
They seem to have done there job and the better players facing faster balls still use them..
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Question for Ayrtek really. At the moment, pros can wear what they like as the new standard hasn't been published. Looking at that video, the grill would hit the neck during impact so I'm not sure it does pass. Once the new standard is properly released, do international players get to wear what they want in ICC competitions? That's not what was said earlier...
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I guess we will se of icc have anything between there legs which of bcci gets involved will shrivel to raisins as usual but I hope they stand ground for once
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Ask yourself this:
Has even ONE international player over the last 20 years facing Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar, Akram, Akhtar, Lee, Johnson, Donald etc etc that has been hit on their Masuri helmet been injured?
Not one you say?
Well, how can the UK nanny state forcing their diatribe policies of "safety" on international players from other countries?
If the English players want to look like complete idiots wearing the new Masuri's, then that is entirely their problem, but don't expect any South African, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani and soon enough, Australian to suffer the indignity that the English players will endure because of their corrupt system.
It simply isn't going to happen.
Now for Tommy from Ayrtek:
Have you ever met/seen any representatives from FORMA at any of these safety meetings over the years?
Did you know that they have never even passed the old, out dated safety requirements?
Has Dohni, Tendulkar or any other Indian test and Ranji trophy level player ever been forced to stop wearing their non compliant helmets?
Pigs might fly.
The BCCI will simply laugh in the faces of the ECCB/ICC.
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Question for Ayrtek really. At the moment, pros can wear what they like as the new standard hasn't been published. Looking at that video, the grill would hit the neck during impact so I'm not sure it does pass. Once the new standard is properly released, do international players get to wear what they want in ICC competitions? That's not what was said earlier...
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It is only "touching the neck" because it is not fastened with a strap as you would with a helmet on a skull.
That helmet passes every time.
You are just crying because you have to soon wear those ridiculous plastic rimmed toilet seats on your head.
I do not blame you for being angry...but, do not expect for even one second that anyone else in the world will wear that rubbish...especially here in Australia!
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Until the standard is published and in the open public arena I can't really go into too much depth for obvious reasons.
The video shown, at what speed was the ball fired? If the helmet passed and all is fine with it why has time/money/resources been spend redesigning it?
Players will always have the option to wear what they want but may have to sign a disclaimer so that the company isn't at fault if any injury occurs.
FYI Viv there have been 40+ incidents simce 2004 according to info we were presented at BSI meeting.
I would like to point out that the new standard has been worked upon to prove the safety offered to people playing the game, not to line the pockets of a cricket helmet company! If better levels of protection are offered to players surely this is a positive thing?
All the companies are doing is reacting to a problem laid out in front of them and coming up with what the seem the best possible solution.
If you want to wear something that has been tested in a lab and proven to keep you safer in the event of being hit then that's entirely upto you. As the sport evolves so will the equipment being used, if you still want to wear pads with buckles in them and gloves that have dimples then great :) fact of the matter is change is occurring you can either embrace it or ignore it that is something that no one can force upon you as your right as a consumer.
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Until the standard is published and in the open public arena I can't really go into too much depth for obvious reasons.
The video shown, at what speed was the ball fired? If the helmet passed and all is fine with it why has time/money/resources been spend redesigning it?
Players will always have the option to wear what they want but may have to sign a disclaimer so that the company isn't at fault if any injury occurs.
FYI Viv there have been 40+ incidents simce 2004 according to info we were presented at BSI meeting.
Tom, you are a good man, and I respect and value your insight that you bring to this forum as it is invaluable to get an insiders view on things.
However, with the bowlers bowling at 90 plus miles an hour at international level, yet of these "40+ incidents since 2004" neither you (or anyone else) can cite even ONE example of an international player being injured while wearing a Masuri helmet that was directly attributable to a failure of the Masuri helmet to protect the wearer.
Not one. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Nichevo.
So we are expected to believe that we recreational cricketers who face guys that struggle to hit 70mph are in some kind of danger?
That my friend is just nanny state scare mongering with NO basis in fact.
I do realise that you are an unbiased observer in all this, as you no doubt have high hopes that your revolutionary Aytek design will usurp the establish brands and become the new market leader due to complying with regs...but, I am also certain that we will revisit this thread in a years time and I shall be proven correct when the UK government/ICC/ECCB troika fail to make any headway with the rest of the cricketing world led by the BCCI.
We are merely engaging in semantics, because NOTHING will really change.
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Wow..what a spicy thread :)
Leaving Shrey aside, why have we not heard from GM, GN, Albion, Kook etc regarding their design changes for these new regulations ?
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Wow..what a spicy thread :)
Leaving Shrey aside, why have we not heard from GM, GN, Albion, Kook etc regarding their design changes for these new regulations ?
It wouldn't surprise me if yet withdraw from the helmet market once the new regulations are in tbh.
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Wow..what a spicy thread :)
Leaving Shrey aside, why have we not heard from GM, GN, Albion, Kook etc regarding their design changes for these new regulations ?
Why?
Because they are sleeping easy knowing that nothing will come of it.
This is all a hoax foisted upon you UK citizens by a desperate and dying government struggling for relevancy.
Book mark this thread and you will see I was right.
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Ask yourself this:
Has even ONE international player over the last 20 years facing Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar, Akram, Akhtar, Lee, Johnson, Donald etc etc that has been hit on their Masuri helmet been injured?
Not one you say?
Well, how can the UK nanny state forcing their diatribe policies of "safety" on international players from other countries?
If the English players want to look like complete idiots wearing the new Masuri's, then that is entirely their problem, but don't expect any South African, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani and soon enough, Australian to suffer the indignity that the English players will endure because of their corrupt system.
It simply isn't going to happen.
Now for Tommy from Ayrtek:
Have you ever met/seen any representatives from FORMA at any of these safety meetings over the years?
Did you know that they have never even passed the old, out dated safety requirements?
Has Dohni, Tendulkar or any other Indian test and Ranji trophy level player ever been forced to stop wearing their non compliant helmets?
Pigs might fly.
The BCCI will simply laugh in the faces of the ECCB/ICC.
I don't know what Chanderpaul was wearing when he was knocked out by Brett Lee, and I'm pretty sure Ponting was wearing an Albion when the grille cut his face from a Harmy bouncer. In addition, that immensely quick bowler, Dominic Cork put Kieron Pollard out of action by squeezing a ball between the grill and peak (looked like a masuri, may have been a shrey or forma) off an English pitch of all things.
So, yes, these injuries have occurred, to International players.
And the second question, who came up with the idea of changes? Sorry, not the British government, however much you dislike them, but an enquiry by the ICC medical panel.... The British just updated the safety standard they used following this report.
So, there's plenty of evidence counter to what you've discussed. Perhaps it's not only us prejudiced English who need to ensure they have done their homework correctly!
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Viv
Videos were shown to the committee of such incidents as it happens to highlight the areas of suggested weakness.
Plenty of evidence to support the new standard as without this the BSI wouldn't have sanctioned the resources to update the standard.
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Nothing will change as long as icc have as much balls as a barbie doll
If icc stand up then things may change but until then not much point in arguing as it's all a little pointless but fun watching people get backs up over nothing
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So looking at what Shrey are doing Masuri had no protection over their helmet design whatsoever?
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I notice after this incident, Root started wearing a Masuri!!!
Joe Root gets ball wedged in grill of helmet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5BBOa1o394#)
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However, with the bowlers bowling at 90 plus miles an hour at international level, yet of these "40+ incidents since 2004" neither you (or anyone else) can cite even ONE example of an international player being injured while wearing a Masuri helmet that was directly attributable to a failure of the Masuri helmet to protect the wearer.
Not one. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Nichevo.
McCullum facing Brett Lee in BBL?
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So looking at what Shrey are doing Masuri had no protection over their helmet design whatsoever?
I expect it is the usual issue of copyright/patents being ignored in certain countries. The best they can do is stop sales in countries where IP violations take place and are addressable in court.
And yes, at that point Vic, there probably wasn't much choice. Move from a Forma to someone else's Masuri....
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So these are just masuri helmets?
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Why?
Because they are sleeping easy knowing that nothing will come of it.
This is all a hoax foisted upon you UK citizens by a desperate and dying government struggling for relevancy.
Book mark this thread and you will see I was right.
Not 100% correct tbh Viv, they haven't marketed anything as they haven't released anything to comply as yet. I'm sure they are working on it for release in 2014-15 though. As with all companies that sell a cricket helmet we are all working in the best interests of the people wearing them by improving the safety a helmet offers.
It won't just be the UK as the International Cricket Council isn't just the governing body of the UK as I'm sure you know.
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So these are just masuri helmets?
The Masuri shape isn't protected by copyright so they are just a generic shape that anyone can copy I think.
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So these are just masuri helmets?
From my understanding TK are the company that manufacturer(d) the Masuri Test helmet range and are now doing so under their own brand name Shrey.
In a similar way the Masuri/slazenger helmets were the same product but with a few minor changes such as diff coloured ear pads/sweatpads and the obvious branding on the rear/grille.
As one company winds down/discontinues the model another takes in on to market themselves.
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i just happened to be watching some cricket videos on youtube and cam across brett lee bowling to alex tudor.
Cricket - Brett Lee Smashes Alex Tudor's Skull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X46iJhdUsJU#ws)
i reckon that alex is wearing a masuri helmet, (about 1.06 is a slow motion part and you get to see the back of the helmet) and then he has to be carried off on a stretcher and looks to be in a lot of pain
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Bloody hell that is masuri mark 2 the new lid is light years different from that..
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I have seen a few instances of the ball penetrating a Masuri helmet. In fact, I bowled a ball 2 seasons ago that hit a springy spot in an under prepared wicket that cut the batsman's eye brow and he required stiches. Now I'm not anywhere near the pace of some others so for that to happen tells me there's a problem with the space between the grill and peak. Masuri helmets have become more popular here in Australia over the past few years with Albion no longer sponsoring Cricket Australia, so if this has happened in our league, I fathom a guess it'll have happened in others too. especially on synthetic wickets which generally bounce more.
For me, I can understand why Masuri and ECB have decided on this course of action, however I really feel my Albion lid (And all my Albion lids prior) offer me more than adequate protection. In fact, as much as people berate the plastic Albion lids, I think the protection they offer to me personally is brilliant.
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They will point to this:
SHREY CRICKET HELMET 2014 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIwBX5mu874#[/url])
...and the corrupt ICC will crumble...
The BCCI will support Shrey and every other association will be snookered.
Rule #1 - you can never beat the BCCI.
In this video it seems to me that the peak and grill has enough flex in it to let the ball pass through easily and as for it not being strapped up I can clearly see a strap going the chin of the mannequin.
I don't wear a helmet.. Never have so none of this effects me but I believe it's only a good thing to have the safest helmet possible. And as for the ugly new masuri helmets no one is being forced to wear it so not too sure what the argument is there.
Tom what manufacturers have been involved in the meetings?
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All major manufacturers were invited to attend. If they choose to or not was upto them but an email went out from FICA to everyone I believe back in 2012 or at least that's when we first got notified of the proposed changes.
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Buzz, what we have to consider here is the facts.
The facts are, as soon as Masuri announced that they would be ditching the popular traditional styled helmet in favour of this idiotic design, virtually ALL the international players who were Masuri users have DUMPED Masuri and have voted with their feet by defecting to Shrey.
What does that tell you?
It tells me that Shrey will soon be rivalling Albion as the most popular helmet used.
It also tells me that the recent changes will ensure that Masuri will be bankrupt within two years and will end up as nothing more than a footnote in cricket equipment history, much like Saint Peter who were all the rage in the late 70's.
God bless Shrey for having the courage to stand up to the corrupt fat cats.
The international players have spoken - and it is Shrey they support.
I don't see any players in the Ashes wearing a Shrey lid? Also I could be wrong but I haven't noticed any at the big bash either.
Not sure what that video of the Shrey helmet shows other than proving that current masuri helmets (whether they carry slazenger, masuri or shrey branding) do not meet the new standard. Regardless of ball speed (I suspect slow) the video shows a fail as the grille slams into the neck/chin, the peak clearly flexes creating a wider gap too. It is also clearly evident that the chinstrap is properly secured.
This is not an initiative by the ECB, the English government, masuri, ayrtek or any combination of those 4. It is the ICC's medical panel who have proposed a new helmet standard, in Response to increasing facial/head injuries. In the UK the BSI governs safety equipment and they have updated their testing to meet the new standards proposed by the ICC, as have/will equivalent bodies in the other cricket nations.
The current test sees a weight dropped on the top of the shell to test for crumple damage. There is no current safety test that examines the grille/peak. That is what the new regulations are proposing, hence these slow motion videos of balls fired at the grille suddenly appearing everywhere.
My understanding is the ICC are proposing that all cricket nations are required to meet the new standard. Exactly what that means is still a little murky, does it mean all ICC sanctioned matches will require the use of these new helmets? I don't know for sure but I certainly hope so. What I do know is that according to what I have read the retailers and manufacturers will soon be unable to offer you a helmet that doesn't meet the new standard. This includes Shrey according to everything that is written.
Of course I fully believe that India will just continue to do as they wish, Pakistan too, especially in their local markets, both are a law unto themselves.
So you may well be able to directly import a Shrey helmet that will be illegal to sell anywhere away from the subcontinent, but to claim this is all scare mongering from the UK Government, or that Shrey will dominate the market at the expense of the rest I am afraid is just not correct.
Before long there will be a majority of kids who have grown up only knowing the type of helmet that meets the new regulations. The parents will make the initial purchase when the child is young and will be interested in safety. They will not be looking to import a helmet from India because it looks better, nor would the vast majority of parents even know that Shrey exist. The child who knows nothing else during their early cricketing years will not suddenly reach the age where the buying choices become their own and say "you know what, these helmets that have served me well so far just aren't good enough, I'm going to get one from India that doesn't pass the ICC safety standard."
I understand that the helmets on the heads of (mostly) international players on TV will have an impact. I suspect it will be difficult to get elite players into a new style helmet, although not impossible, as Aytek have proved in the past with various players and are continuing to prove under the Adidas brand. The ICC and respective cricket boards will need to take a tough line, it may be that a compromise is reached possibly through signing of disclaimers or whatever, but this will only be with the current players. The change may well be gradual at the elite level for this reason.
I hope/assume that up and coming cricketers playing international age group cricket will be required to wear the new helmets. I assume any first class clubs will insert a clause into the contracts of players they take on from their academies too. These boys who have smaller egos and whose threats carry little/no weight compared to say a Pietersen or a Chris Gayle will have been wearing the new lids for their whole career, if/when they emerge onto the full international scene they won't suddenly make the switch to an illegal helmet (should any even exist by then)
For this reason, as well as others that I will explain later, I believe Shrey will be a relatively short lived exercise.
As for the regulations in Aus regarding helmets, if my understanding is correct and you are not obligated to wear one, I would assume that if you choose to wear one then soon you will only be able to buy one that meets the new standard, just like most of the rest of the world. I can't see Chappell Cricket Centre or Kingsgrove or anyone else taking that kind of risk. Australia might be far less politically correct than the UK (something I really liked) but I lived there long enough to know that the American compensation culture is having an ever growing influence. I can see it now on 60 minutes. A mother is assured that a Shrey helmet is right for her kid, he gets an injury and then the journalists do a big expose on how the retailer went against the rules/advice/suggestions/regulations (whatever is the appropriate strength word to use when all this comes out in the wash and the ICC finalise everything) of Cricket Australia and the ICC by selling a helmet that doesn't meet the safety standard. There would be hysteria from protective parents.
As for the question asking where all the evidence is of players getting hurt in the existing helmets? There is plenty of footage out there, there really is no need to link to it here, but to get you started Brett Lee hitting McCullum and Malinga hitting Marlon Samuels spring to mind immediately. Both impacts drew blood, the ball that hit McCullum passed straight through the gap and hit his nose, I assume breaking it, there was a lot of claret. The ball from Harmison that hit Ponting's Albion helmet and forced the grille into his cheek didn't exactly cause major damage to Ricky, but shows Albions current design also needs work to meet the new standard.
Sorry for the rant, this is in no way intended as a personal attack on you Vic, I'm simply putting my interpretation across (as a very interested party) with regard to what is going on in this part of the industry. Nor is it an attack directly at TK Sports/Shrey, they have produced a great helmet for Masuri and Slazenger for a number of years, but the times are a changing, and to release this product just as everyone is learning of new regulations and many are also reacting negatively to new helmet designs, smacks of a short term marketing ploy to make some quick bucks. Dare I suggest, it is maybe even a move motivated by spite, as Masuri have elected to produce the helmet to meet the new regulations here in the UK, instead of using TK Sports/Shrey.
I don't expect Shrey to be the only ones, before long the usual suspects from Pakistan will pop up with something I imagine, maybe our friend in Thailand will release a ground breaking Xtrax helmet? :D
So, forums are a place for lively back and forth. I'm sure I've made some errors or at least said a few things that people will disagree with, I've got a thick skin, let's hear from you. I won't take it personally I promise :)
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I don't see any players in the Ashes wearing a Shrey lid? Also I could be wrong but I haven't noticed any at the big bash either.
Not sure what that video of the Shrey helmet shows other than proving that current masuri helmets (whether they carry slazenger, masuri or shrey branding) do not meet the new standard. Regardless of ball speed (I suspect slow) the video shows a fail as the grille slams into the neck/chin, the peak clearly flexes creating a wider gap too. It is also clearly evident that the chinstrap is properly secured.
This is not an initiative by the ECB, the English government, masuri, ayrtek or any combination of those 4. It is the ICC's medical panel who have proposed a new helmet standard, in Response to increasing facial/head injuries. In the UK the BSI governs safety equipment and they have updated their testing to meet the new standards proposed by the ICC, as have/will equivalent bodies in the other cricket nations.
The current test sees a weight dropped on the top of the shell to test for crumple damage. There is no current safety test that examines the grille/peak. That is what the new regulations are proposing, hence these slow motion videos of balls fired at the grille suddenly appearing everywhere.
My understanding is the ICC are proposing that all cricket nations are required to meet the new standard. Exactly what that means is still a little murky, does it mean all ICC sanctioned matches will require the use of these new helmets? I don't know for sure but I certainly hope so. What I do know is that according to what I have read the retailers and manufacturers will soon be unable to offer you a helmet that doesn't meet the new standard. This includes Shrey according to everything that is written.
Of course I fully believe that India will just continue to do as they wish, Pakistan too, especially in their local markets, both are a law unto themselves.
So you may well be able to directly import a Shrey helmet that will be illegal to sell anywhere away from the subcontinent, but to claim this is all scare mongering from the UK Government, or that Shrey will dominate the market at the expense of the rest I am afraid is just not correct.
Before long there will be a majority of kids who have grown up only knowing the type of helmet that meets the new regulations. The parents will make the initial purchase when the child is young and will be interested in safety. They will not be looking to import a helmet from India because it looks better, nor would the vast majority of parents even know that Shrey exist. The child who knows nothing else during their early cricketing years will not suddenly reach the age where the buying choices become their own and say "you know what, these helmets that have served me well so far just aren't good enough, I'm going to get one from India that doesn't pass the ICC safety standard."
I understand that the helmets on the heads of (mostly) international players on TV will have an impact. I suspect it will be difficult to get elite players into a new style helmet, although not impossible, as Aytek have proved in the past with various players and are continuing to prove under the Adidas brand. The ICC and respective cricket boards will need to take a tough line, it may be that a compromise is reached possibly through signing of disclaimers or whatever, but this will only be with the current players. The change may well be gradual at the elite level for this reason.
I hope/assume that up and coming cricketers playing international age group cricket will be required to wear the new helmets. I assume any first class clubs will insert a clause into the contracts of players they take on from their academies too. These boys who have smaller egos and whose threats carry little/no weight compared to say a Pietersen or a Chris Gayle will have been wearing the new lids for their whole career, if/when they emerge onto the full international scene they won't suddenly make the switch to an illegal helmet (should any even exist by then)
For this reason, as well as others that I will explain later, I believe Shrey will be a relatively short lived exercise.
As for the regulations in Aus regarding helmets, if my understanding is correct and you are not obligated to wear one, I would assume that if you choose to wear one then soon you will only be able to buy one that meets the new standard, just like most of the rest of the world. I can't see Chappell Cricket Centre or Kingsgrove or anyone else taking that kind of risk. Australia might be far less politically correct than the UK (something I really liked) but I lived there long enough to know that the American compensation culture is having an ever growing influence. I can see it now on 60 minutes. A mother is assured that a Shrey helmet is right for her kid, he gets an injury and then the journalists do a big expose on how the retailer went against the rules/advice/suggestions/regulations (whatever is the appropriate strength word to use when all this comes out in the wash and the ICC finalise everything) of Cricket Australia and the ICC by selling a helmet that doesn't meet the safety standard. There would be hysteria from protective parents.
As for the question asking where all the evidence is of players getting hurt in the existing helmets? There is plenty of footage out there, there really is no need to link to it here, but to get you started Brett Lee hitting McCullum and Malinga hitting Marlon Samuels spring to mind immediately. Both impacts drew blood, the ball that hit McCullum passed straight through the gap and hit his nose, I assume breaking it, there was a lot of claret. The ball from Harmison that hit Ponting's Albion helmet and forced the grille into his cheek didn't exactly cause major damage to Ricky, but shows Albions current design also needs work to meet the new standard.
Sorry for the rant, this is in no way intended as a personal attack on you Vic, I'm simply putting my interpretation across (as a very interested party) with regard to what is going on in this part of the industry. Nor is it an attack directly at TK Sports/Shrey, they have produced a great helmet for Masuri and Slazenger for a number of years, but the times are a changing, and to release this product just as everyone is learning of new regulations and many are also reacting negatively to new helmet designs, smacks of a short term marketing ploy to make some quick bucks. Dare I suggest, it is maybe even a move motivated by spite, as Masuri have elected to produce the helmet to meet the new regulations here in the UK, instead of using TK Sports/Shrey.
I don't expect Shrey to be the only ones, before long the usual suspects from Pakistan will pop up with something I imagine, maybe our friend in Thailand will release a ground breaking Xtrax helmet? :D
So, forums are a place for lively back and forth. I'm sure I've made some errors or at least said a few things that people will disagree with, I've got a thick skin, let's hear from you. I won't take it personally I promise :)
I never said anyone in the Ashes was wearing a Shrey lid?
Where did I say that?
BUT...
Most of the Indian players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.
Most of the South Africans have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.
Most of the West Indian players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.
Most of the Pakistan players have ditched their Masuri's and migrated to Shrey.
As for Australian players...my bet is that NOT ONE will wear those new Masuri abominations.
I also have to laugh at the fact that Stuart Broad who is sponsored by Adidas wore his sponsors Ayrtek grill...what...once, before going back to his trusty Masuri? What a vote of confidence in a supposedly safer, superior product.
You can keep spouting forth your propaganda, but these nanny state UK laws will not even apply to the touring Indian and South African touring teams to the England where they will CONTINUE TO WEAR THEIR SHREY helmets, much less anywhere outside of the UK.
We are not your dominions any more and we do not have to put up with your nonsense tampering/protectionism so as to try and prop up failing UK companies.
The ball speed in that video would, I suspect, be around the 80 to 90mph. And no, you are WRONG, the helmet DOES perform its primary task. But for the impeccable safety of the Masuri/Shrey/Slazenger helmet, the batsman's face would be obliterated. Instead, the grill touches the bottom of the neck/chest. BIG DEAL! Would the batsman have sustained an injury through the grill touching the lower neck/chest? Not a snow flakes chance in hell. The batsman's face/nose etc are perfectly safe and the batsman would be able to continue batting far more comfortably than if he had been hit, say, on the funny bone or even on the box. Play would not even have stopped for the grill touching the neck or chest.
Also, given that this test would have been conducted in the same testing conditions (and the SAME testing lab!) that were used to test Masuri helmets (after all Shrey was the manufacturer), why would they have been OK then...but not OK now? I detect the usual British colonialism/racism in all the comments here. "IF it is a UK company, it is good, but if it is an Indian company, it is inferior". What a load of nonsense. Why would Shrey/Masuri bother conducting tests at slow speeds etc which would not pass muster later on? Why would they waste time and money? I sense panicked racist myopia that cannot fathom that an openly Indian company will be the market leader in cricket helmets and even more upsetting for the White Supremicist neo-conservatives on this forum, it absolutely drives you guys nuts that the majority of international stars will be wearing Shrey helmets in 2014 and onwards.
I find that deliciously ironic.
Why?
Because for years on this forum, all I have heard was how the "British designed" Masuri is the BEST HELMET ON THE MARKET and the safest, best looking, yada yada yada. But, as soon as Masuri has moved to this new construction site plastic crap, the original awesome design that ALL OF YOU fawned over is suddenly rubbish and no good? Yeah right lads, I follow your warped logic...millions of others wouldn't!
As it is, I am convinced that even in 2015, your BS nanny state laws will be of no relevance to the rest of the cricketing world. Well, maybe New Zealand....they are surrogate Englishmen anyways, so you will have at least one nation supporting you!
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In this video it seems to me that the peak and grill has enough flex in it to let the ball pass through easily and as for it not being strapped up I can clearly see a strap going the chin of the mannequin.
I don't wear a helmet.. Never have so none of this effects me but I believe it's only a good thing to have the safest helmet possible. And as for the ugly new masuri helmets no one is being forced to wear it so not too sure what the argument is there.
Tom what manufacturers have been involved in the meetings?
Yeah, there IS a strap...but last I checked, my jaw is made of bone covered in skin...so the strap would grip to my chin better than it grips on some metal/glass/whatever the hell that mannequin is.
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I have seen a few instances of the ball penetrating a Masuri helmet. In fact, I bowled a ball 2 seasons ago that hit a springy spot in an under prepared wicket that cut the batsman's eye brow and he required stiches. Now I'm not anywhere near the pace of some others so for that to happen tells me there's a problem with the space between the grill and peak. Masuri helmets have become more popular here in Australia over the past few years with Albion no longer sponsoring Cricket Australia, so if this has happened in our league, I fathom a guess it'll have happened in others too. especially on synthetic wickets which generally bounce more.
For me, I can understand why Masuri and ECB have decided on this course of action, however I really feel my Albion lid (And all my Albion lids prior) offer me more than adequate protection. In fact, as much as people berate the plastic Albion lids, I think the protection they offer to me personally is brilliant.
HAHAHAHA!!
Famous last words eh Aussie?
Chris Rogers was just sconned by a moderate delivery by Broad on his Albion and the guys face is cut and he was shaken up!
Albions are safer??
You evidently forgot about Justin Langer being hit on the side of the helmet first ball of the test by Makhaya Ntini - the ball was no more than 135kmph - and took no further part in the test. Moreover, he then missed the following tour to Bangladesh where Phil Jaques deputized for him. Langer was wearing an Albion. The safest helmet eh?
Please!
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'We are not your dominions any more and we do not have to put up with your nonsense tampering/protectionism so as to try and prop up failing UK companies.'
Whilst you continue to make idiotic comments like these, I'm afraid you will never be taken seriously on this forum. This is a conversation about Cricket helmets, not some political inferiority complex that only you appear to display. It is Christmas. Have a cold one and relax, maybe go outside a bit more or something. You are dragging the decent standards of the forum down with such comments.
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You are dragging the decent standards of the forum down with such comments.
Don't make me laugh.
I have exposed the moronic myopia on this very same forum in the past many, many times.
I do not drink as I do not wish to abuse my health in a pointless, trivial pursuit.
Have a good day sir!
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Vic how much are shrey paying you bud? Must be a lot to make you continuously spout rubbish
I am not paid by anyone.
You are just a sad sack crying into your soup over the crap toilet seats that you will have to wear in 2014.
I still have my Masuri - and when that wears out, I can always order the world famous and superstar endorsed Shrey.
I am a winner, you, clearly, are not. :)
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Truth is stranger than fiction...
They have kitted out Piers Morgan to face Brett Lee...and what helmet did Mark Nicholas hand Morgan to protect his head?
A Shrey!!!!
You couldn't script this for Hollywood, seriously!
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Truth is stranger than fiction...
They have kitted out Piers Morgan to face Brett Lee...and what helmet did Mark Nicholas hand Morgan to protect his head?
A Shrey!!!!
You couldn't script this for Hollywood, seriously!
How can you tell? Earpiece?
I have never heard of Shrey until this thread, so they are not that famous.
From what I can gather, the company who used to create at least one model for Masuri, now do Shrey instead. Whether they are identical, similar or just look alike, is unsure.
The new regs that will come in, may or may not be universal.
If they are, Shrey will have to adapt.
If they aren't, I am sure Masuri will continue to provide a helmet for the other markets.
Whether the international who use Shrey are selecting Shrey, or sponsored by Shrey, it is anyone's guess. If they have to abide by ICC ruling on the new regs, they will.
Until they are out, I wouldn't worry about it.
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How can you tell? Earpiece?
I have never heard of Shrey until this thread, so they are not that famous.
From what I can gather, the company who used to create at least one model for Masuri, now do Shrey instead. Whether they are identical, similar or just look alike, is unsure.
The new regs that will come in, may or may not be universal.
If they are, Shrey will have to adapt.
If they aren't, I am sure Masuri will continue to provide a helmet for the other markets.
Whether the international who use Shrey are selecting Shrey, or sponsored by Shrey, it is anyone's guess. If they have to abide by ICC ruling on the new regs, they will.
Until they are out, I wouldn't worry about it.
Pretty simple buddy....it had the SHREY logo on the back of the helmet.
At first I thought Nicholas handed him a Masuri, but after Morgan put it on and turned to walk into the net, the SHREY logo was there for all to see.
It was clearly visible there after every time he turned around.
There is a lot of straw clutching in this thread.
You will all be bitterly disappointed in the long run.
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Well spotted, I had to put it on the big TV to catch that.
I will keep my eye out for it now, see who else wears them internationally.
Personally, I wont be disappointed as I wear an Albion lid, the Masuri ones are too small generally.
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Clearly you do not watch much cricket joeljonno...virtually all the West Indian players are wearing them.
Virtually all the Indian players are wearing them.
Virtually all the Pakistani's are wearing them.
Virtually all the South Africans are wearing them...including Smith, Kallis etc.
How did this happen that ALL the players who were Masuri wearers in the above teams all ditched Masuri en masse overnight to wear this hitherto unknown brand?
Well, I will hazard a guess here...and I have no inside knowledge, so it IS only a guess.
I think that the players from SA, WI, India and Pakistan who normally get their Masuri's sent to them direct from Jalandhar were informed that Masuri was now discontinuing this design. Being loyal to something they trust and are comfortable with, they didn't need any convincing when the SAME FACTORY sent them their new helmets which are identical to their old helmets save for the fact that they now sported a new logo.
Some sponsorship contracts were no doubt signed and PRESTO, Shrey has cornered the market.
I believe that during the SA tour in February, Australian players who wear Masuri will also convert to Shrey. But again, I am only guessing.
English players will be the only ones forced to wear the new Masuri design...and even then, only through force.
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I don't watch much, I don't have the time and often not interested in it when it is two countries who I do not follow.
Occasional highlights and SkySports News helps keep me up to date with results.
I dis try to see a Shrey yesterday in the India - SA game but only saw Masuri with an SS sticker on.
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Clearly you do not watch much cricket joeljonno...virtually all the West Indian players are wearing them.
Virtually all the Indian players are wearing them.
Virtually all the Pakistani's are wearing them.
Virtually all the South Africans are wearing them...including Smith, Kallis etc.
How did this happen that ALL the players who were Masuri wearers in the above teams all ditched Masuri en masse overnight to wear this hitherto unknown brand?
Well, I will hazard a guess here...and I have no inside knowledge, so it IS only a guess.
I think that the players from SA, WI, India and Pakistan who normally get their Masuri's sent to them direct from Jalandhar were informed that Masuri was now discontinuing this design. Being loyal to something they trust and are comfortable with, they didn't need any convincing when the SAME FACTORY sent them their new helmets which are identical to their old helmets save for the fact that they now sported a new logo.
Some sponsorship contracts were no doubt signed and PRESTO, Shrey has cornered the market.
I believe that during the SA tour in February, Australian players who wear Masuri will also convert to Shrey. But again, I am only guessing.
English players will be the only ones forced to wear the new Masuri design...and even then, only through force.
So are you saying they are wearing them by default? Not through choice that they are the safest helmets but because that's what they have been sent by the manufacturer?
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Surely retailers will have to sell standards approved helmets, regardless of what being worn by internationals.
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waooo..... this discussion has brought up the level of search on google for Shrey .
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HAHAHAHA!!
Famous last words eh Aussie?
Chris Rogers was just sconned by a moderate delivery by Broad on his Albion and the guys face is cut and he was shaken up!
Albions are safer??
You evidently forgot about Justin Langer being hit on the side of the helmet first ball of the test by Makhaya Ntini - the ball was no more than 135kmph - and took no further part in the test. Moreover, he then missed the following tour to Bangladesh where Phil Jaques deputized for him. Langer was wearing an Albion. The safest helmet eh?
Please!
You are a fool mate. If you actually read my comment you will realise I was saying that my opinion of my own Albion is high. I never once made any claims to Albion helmets being safer than another. I do however feel it is though as Albions have been used in Australia for years and I've played many grades of cricket and the only instance I ever saw of damage through a helmet was with a Masuri (And at the time, very few of them were being used here In Australia).
An in response to Buck Rogers getting hit. You'll see that the cut was only superficial and very small. No stiches were required and basically a band aid was applied. Tells me that his trusty Albion elite, which I myself rated highly, did it's job perfectly.
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Vic, whilst you hold strong opinions, there are occasions where your rhetoric oversteps the line. We'd appreciate it if you reel your neck back in on this one and agree to disagree with everyone on this topic who doesn't have the same point of view as you.
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Vic, whilst you hold strong opinions, there are occasions where your rhetoric oversteps the line. We'd appreciate it if you reel your neck back in on this one and agree to disagree with everyone on this topic who doesn't have the same point of view as you.
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You will not silence me Tim.
I have not sworn at anyone.
Nor have I called anyone a "fool" etc as has been done to me.
At the end of the day just because I am swimming against the tide of the majority who are displaying selective amnesia, does not mean I am either wrong or should not voice my opinion. Heck, the vast majority of the posters on this site only months ago were MASSIVE Masuri fans and fulsome in their praise in all things Masuri, but now that these helmets can only be sourced by a 100% Indian owned company, they suddenly are no good anymore?
Please!
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So are you saying they are wearing them by default? Not through choice that they are the safest helmets but because that's what they have been sent by the manufacturer?
Not at all.
Not by default, but by CHOICE.
Masuri is in the process of dying...a once great company that sadly is committing commercial suicide. May their memory be eternal.
Shrey is the "new" kid on the block and the preference of champions as evidence of the massive number of stars already using them.
I say "new" because anybody who knows anything knows that they are not new, but merely the same guys making the same helmets that they have made for years that Masuri claimed were "British" when in fact they were always made in Punjab...like many famous "British" companies.
Players are forced to wear/use all sorts of equipment they don't like by virtue of the sponsorship...but the international players have spoken by jumping en masse onto Shrey.
They have voted with their feet.
I trust them and their opinions, not some internet warriors.
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You are a fool mate. If you actually read my comment you will realise I was saying that my opinion of my own Albion is high. I never once made any claims to Albion helmets being safer than another. I do however feel it is though as Albions have been used in Australia for years and I've played many grades of cricket and the only instance I ever saw of damage through a helmet was with a Masuri (And at the time, very few of them were being used here In Australia).
An in response to Buck Rogers getting hit. You'll see that the cut was only superficial and very small. No stiches were required and basically a band aid was applied. Tells me that his trusty Albion elite, which I myself rated highly, did it's job perfectly.
I noticed you deliberately side stepped this:
You evidently forgot about Justin Langer being hit on the side of the helmet first ball of the test by Makhaya Ntini - the ball was no more than 135kmph - and took no further part in the test. Moreover, he then missed the following tour to Bangladesh where Phil Jaques deputized for him. Langer was wearing an Albion. The safest helmet eh?
He was out of international cricket for months...from innocuous 135km delivery that hit the side of his Albion.
I actually quite like Albion's...they are nearly as good as Masuri's, but the point is, no matter what helmet you are wearing, mishaps can happen. No matter what abominations they come up with in the future, some injuries will still occur.
I grew up when helmets were just coming in. I remember guys like Rick McCosker, David Hookes, Mohinder Armanath, Majid Khan, Peter Toohey, Graham Yallop, Clive Radley, Mike Gatting, Geoff Lawson etc getting their faces rearranged/jaws broken.
Nowadays, NOBODY gets injured that badly any more. Helmets have prevented serious injury and have done their job.
All we are seeing at the moment is needless meddling.
You are more likely to be killed by being hit over the heart than on the helmet...yet chest protectors will never be forced on players in more evidence of the usual double standards foisted upon us by rapacious officials who work hand in glove with well meaning, but clueless government officials.
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You are more likely to be killed by being hit over the heart than on the helmet...yet chest protectors will never be forced on players in more evidence of the usual double standards foisted upon us by rapacious officials who work hand in glove with well meaning, but clueless government officials.
Helmets aren't compulsary that I am aware of. It is just sensible.
How many people have died being hit on the heart area of the chest?
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Helmets aren't compulsary that I am aware of. It is just sensible.
How many people have died being hit on the heart area of the chest?
They are in the uk for u16s. But then I was involved in a game where a fifteen year old got hit on the side of the head by a short ball that shot off the pitch, but not terribly fast. It knocked him out, didn't kill him instantly. He died three weeks later. It makes sense to have youngsters not dying.
The same thing could happen to adults, but you makes your choice and takes your pick. As said here, no-one has to wear a helmet, but I'd rather wear one I perceive will protect me better if I am going to wear one, and the Masuris are too small. The grill used to rest on my chin.
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As I said previously I have played cricket for approx 30 years and I don't wear a helmet, never have and probably never will but if I did have to wear one, sponsor or no sponsor, I would choose an Ayrtek, Aditek or whatever you like to call them these days simply because 1. I like the look of them and 2. I like the thought that has gone into these and the testing and the R&D.
I will be surprised if the younger generation doesn't jump on the Ayrtek bandwagon.
Simply my opinion and nothing to do with being a forum sponsor. I don't know Tom, have never net him and probably never will meet him so there is no reason other than I like his product why I would choose this style of helmet.
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They are in the uk for u16s. But then I was involved in a game where a fifteen year old got hit on the side of the head by a short ball that shot off the pitch, but not terribly fast. It knocked him out, didn't kill him instantly. He died three weeks later. It makes sense to have youngsters not dying.
The same thing could happen to adults, but you makes your choice and takes your pick. As said here, no-one has to wear a helmet, but I'd rather wear one I perceive will protect me better if I am going to wear one, and the Masuris are too small. The grill used to rest on my chin.
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I think it is u18s here in Aus not 100% sure but I know it is compulsory for juniors to wear them.
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Viv
Your arguments are somewhat one eyed without knowing what evidence was presented by a neutral committee to a panel of brands that actually manufacture the very helmets you question. Its not my place or the right forum to disclose these results as there were done so to the people who are on the panel in a confidential manner.
I think you would be surprised by what the research showed in relation to the ball speeds required that will force its way through the peak/grille area on some models of helmet. There is no way that the video is at 80-90mph as this would destroy the grille entirely as the ball is fired from an air cannon at 60cm away! A 90mph bouncer once it has hit the pitch and reached the batsmen will ravel at around 12-15mph less than when it leaves the hand. The videos we received back after doing our own testing went upto 76mph at which point it was bending a grille back and deforming it severely.
Its easy to create a scenario where a product performs if thats what you are aiming to achieve and the point of impact that ball makes is vital to the test as is shown in the new BSI standard, it doenst just test on a head on angle as no one is likely to just stand and get hit right between the eyes.
There are several instances of injury that show people in certain helmets getting injured so i fail to accept you statement that Nobody gets seriously injured....Pollard, Ferguson, McCullum, Maddy, Anderson, Dilshan, Fulton name a few in regards to the video evidence gathered and shown to us to illustrate the need for improvements to be made.
Either way your views are clearly set in stone and no one has the right to change them except you, its nice to see such emotion over something as simple as a cricket helmet selection!
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Great piece of feedback Tom, although there's a lot of passion in this thread it's nice to get a balanced response from someone in the industry! whether your a fan or not of any design (I have a Arytek) the research & validation that's gone in is great to read (I'm in the automotive industry so in my daily life am responsibly for product meeting strinous specs).
No matter what brand you choose helmets should always be encouraged & I'm glad that the mandatory rule was brought in for juniors. I remember playing u17s and the lad at the other end top edged one into his nose. Pretty horrific seeing him whisked off in a ambulance - he never played again nor did his younger brother (u15s county player at the time).
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My lord jeet has returned
Please tell me how we are racist as in earlier posts for agreeing with new safety regs
I for one have never been a masuri fan so am neutral in this but if the helmet is not upto standard which it's obviously not if masuri are re designing it as if it was fine they would not spend the cash on a new design
You have your views fair enough but your so blinkered to anything else it's scary
It's quite funny how you bad mouth a leading figure in helmet safety who the icc have invited to discuss helmet safety
What are your qualifications or experience in cricket helmet safety??
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I didn't deliberately sidestep it, as you were using it as your main argument. And because I never stated that no injuries ever happened to wearers of Albions. It was actually you who did that yourself by saying Masuri had a perfect injury record. Could come back and point to Alex Tudor's injury as return of serve, but that's not the point. They were in a time of simple older style helmets. I mean, my Albion helmet from the mid 90's is extremely different to the Albions I own now.
What I will say is that the more recent serious injuries which have happened in current models of all helmets seem to correlate with the wearing of a masuri. Not saying that other injuries haven't occured in different brands, but the recent ones I have seen in both professional and club cricket have all been behind a masuri grill.
If you want to look at it plainly, Shrey making these "Masuri" model helmets haven't addressed current concerns, so they inherit the safety question marks for the helmet model in question.
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Roco
It looks as if you are the board member for masuri . Who knows the other side of the story ? Maybe the real manufacturer is no more supplying their product to slazenger and masuri and maybe their helmet will still pass the 2014 regs . Who knows ? But yes it is important to sell a product which passes the safety standards and noone else can be very confident in commenting whether someone's product will pass the standards or not , only the real manufacturer can show the end result .
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Viv
Your arguments are somewhat one eyed without knowing what evidence was presented by a neutral committee to a panel of brands that actually manufacture the very helmets you question. Its not my place or the right forum to disclose these results as there were done so to the people who are on the panel in a confidential manner.
I think you would be surprised by what the research showed in relation to the ball speeds required that will force its way through the peak/grille area on some models of helmet. There is no way that the video is at 80-90mph as this would destroy the grille entirely as the ball is fired from an air cannon at 60cm away! A 90mph bouncer once it has hit the pitch and reached the batsmen will ravel at around 12-15mph less than when it leaves the hand. The videos we received back after doing our own testing went upto 76mph at which point it was bending a grille back and deforming it severely.
Its easy to create a scenario where a product performs if thats what you are aiming to achieve and the point of impact that ball makes is vital to the test as is shown in the new BSI standard, it doenst just test on a head on angle as no one is likely to just stand and get hit right between the eyes.
There are several instances of injury that show people in certain helmets getting injured so i fail to accept you statement that Nobody gets seriously injured....Pollard, Ferguson, McCullum, Maddy, Anderson, Dilshan, Fulton name a few in regards to the video evidence gathered and shown to us to illustrate the need for improvements to be made.
Either way your views are clearly set in stone and no one has the right to change them except you, its nice to see such emotion over something as simple as a cricket helmet selection!
A reasoned response.
Can you tell me how long Pollard, Ferguson, McCullum, Maddy, Anderson, Dilshan, Fulton were out of the game with their injuries?
AND:
Would your helmet 100% have prevented injuries to the above players from the exact same impact?
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Ayrtek ,
I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .
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I am a board member just not at masuri
I know company's don't spend money unless a reason if they want to stay in business
Yes r&d is important but from a business point of view players and fans love the old design so if it's right you would not change as it's still selling strong by sounds of it
But must be a reason they are re designing helmet maybe some secret deals which go on
Fun to speculate though
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Yes no problems...
Fulton had to retire from the game as he lost his depth perception, similar to Craig Spearman at Glos CCC where they received impacts to their eye sockets.
Pollard, Ferguson and McCullum all had to retire injured either with a broken nose or eye trauma through laceration.
Anderson retired and had concussion for 5 days after being struck on the nape of the neck
Dilshan had a laceration above his eye but continued to bat on.
As a company we would be exposing ourselves legally if we stated that we offer a 100% injury prevention rate, I think it would be naive if we stated this on the helmet/box. The aim of a cricket helmet is to help in the severity and occurrence of injuries.
The only way to 100% guarantee they didnt occur would be to wear a motorcycle helmet out to bat in which isnt practical for the purpose of the game. The goal is to achieve a balance between design and function that best protects the player.
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Ayrtek ,
I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .
Mate, shut the (No Swearing Please) up! Roco stated he wasn't a fan of masuri, yet suddenly he's a board member, tom is not commenting on anything other than the fact that masuri have to change their design, therefore the shrey helmet is no good either. Yours are the rantings of a mad man, while hilarious.... completely nonsensical! At least Vic is trying yo write a reasoned response that at least tries to make sense!
And by the sounds of it, shrey are commenting on their products here! I wonder how much you're getting paid! It's pretty shameless pr to be honest.
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Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .
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Ayrtek ,
I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .
Thanks for the helpful advice, ill be sure to take it on-board.
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Ayrtek ,
I think the best is if remain comment about your own product more and spend some energy in getting it onto some heads rather than predicting which new brand will take over or not . I dont think you should comment on other's helmets stuff as you will not see Masuri , albion or shrey commenting on something out here . The best is to talk about your own product and convince people ahrd that why should they wear ayrtek .
He has only commented on what he was asked to comment on! And quite frankly, with the amount of research the likes if Tom does, he is very qualified to respond to most areas of the helmet industry!
We are very lucky to have an expert and innovator like Tom on this forum, and his knowledge and expertise would be greatly missed, whereas yours would not be!!
So I suggest you engage your brain before hitting the 'Post' button next time!!
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Or engage your brain, then decide not to post regardless, cos there's clearly not a huge amount in there.
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Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .
We were made aware of areas of weakness within the current market back in 2007 when we went about designing our helmet, im sure other brands were aware of the issues as well at this time hence working on improving the safety provided by designing new versions.
The new standard has been researched over the last 2 years to address the issue of testing helmets to meet this improved standard. Im sure if Shrey email the BSI they will forward the research to them that has been carried out by the Sports Technology lab in L'boro along with the draft BSI standard.
My advice to you is to get a member of your company onto the committee so that you are fully upto speed about these changes then at least you can make fully informed posts about the topic.
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Someone has said somewhere in this forum that masuri was working on their new helmet since last 4 years and i don't believe that the new regs have come out then or even been discussed then , neither there current helmet had same popularity 4 years back . So , maybe sometime companies tries and develop new products which aint successful in the end and they even end up loosing the popular ones .
Think you'll find Merv Hughes talking about it in this interview, rather than a claim from "someone on the forum": https://audioboo.fm/boos/1556409-merv-hughes-on-new-innovative-masuri-helmets He says "People think it's a six or nine month innovation, when they've been working on it for four years", at the end of the interview.
What we keep coming back to is that at professional level, and it seems, lower levels, many existing helmet designs are not as protective as people believe they are, and that, following an ICC Medical Panel review of video footage of people being damaged through the helmet, the ICC has mandated that changes are made and that all helmets used in ICC competitions will need to meet this new standard.
As a result, the British Standard for helmets is being updated, and off the back of this, the ISO standard for helmets will be updated.
What you wear at club level will be entirely up to you, if you choose to wear a helmet, but lets stop slinging mud around where it is undue and presenting emotion dressed up as fact.
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As a company we would be exposing ourselves legally if we stated that we offer a 100% injury prevention rate, I think it would be naive if we stated this on the helmet/box. The aim of a cricket helmet is to help in the severity and occurrence of injuries.
The only way to 100% guarantee they didnt occur would be to wear a motorcycle helmet out to bat in which isnt practical for the purpose of the game. The goal is to achieve a balance between design and function that best protects the player.
That is my whole point Tom.
New regs, old regs, whatever, no one brand can claim to 100% prevent injury, because as you stated, the only way to prevent head injuries all together is to come out to bat in a motor cycle helmet!
Obviously, that is never going to be a practical solution as a cricketing helmet has to be light and have excellent ventilation.
It is my contention that cricket helmets have already succeeded over the last 30 years in preventing the more serious injuries that used to occur before where those players I mentioned all suffered from broken jaws, broken/flattened noses and in old Bert Oldfield's case, I think Larwood gave him a fractured skull from something that would have just bounced off a helmet these days.
In that respect, we already have a wonderful improvement.
I am extremely sceptical that the new regs will make helmets any safer than what they presently without compromising the aspects that we so much cherish about the game.
Cheers mate,
Vic
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Think you'll find Merv Hughes talking about it in this interview, rather than a claim from "someone on the forum": https://audioboo.fm/boos/1556409-merv-hughes-on-new-innovative-masuri-helmets He says "People think it's a six or nine month innovation, when they've been working on it for four years", at the end of the interview.
What we keep coming back to is that at professional level, and it seems, lower levels, many existing helmet designs are not as protective as people believe they are, and that, following an ICC Medical Panel review of video footage of people being damaged through the helmet, the ICC has mandated that changes are made and that all helmets used in ICC competitions will need to meet this new standard.
As a result, the British Standard for helmets is being updated, and off the back of this, the ISO standard for helmets will be updated.
What you wear at club level will be entirely up to you, if you choose to wear a helmet, but lets stop slinging mud around where it is undue and presenting emotion dressed up as fact.
With all due respect, the most serious injuries I have ever seen on a cricket field have been Keegan Meth getting a ball smashed back at 100mph straight into his mouth while he was bowling...will they legislate that bowlers should wear helmets? If they are consistent, they would.
The absolute worst injury I have seen in cricket was Rick Darling of Australia. Rick Darling was struck by a ball by Bob Willis on the heart going for a pull shot. Darling collapsed on the pitch and nearly died but for some quick thinking of John Emburey who realised Darling had swallowed his tongue. Should all players be forced to wear chest protectors?
Cricket head gear should be a choice and it should serve a primary purpose of protecting the player, while also being appealing to wear for adults who are not obligated to wear it.
I am sure common sense will prevail.
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That is my whole point Tom.
New regs, old regs, whatever, no one brand can claim to 100% prevent injury, because as you stated, the only way to prevent head injuries all together is to come out to bat in a motor cycle helmet!
Obviously, that is never going to be a practical solution as a cricketing helmet has to be light and have excellent ventilation.
It is my contention that cricket helmets have already succeeded over the last 30 years in preventing the more serious injuries that used to occur before where those players I mentioned all suffered from broken jaws, broken/flattened noses and in old Bert Oldfield's case, I think Larwood gave him a fractured skull from something that would have just bounced off a helmet these days.
In that respect, we already have a wonderful improvement.
I am extremely sceptical that the new regs will make helmets any safer than what they presently without compromising the aspects that we so much cherish about the game.
Cheers mate,
Vic
What the ICC are striving to achieve is to further improve the safety offered by looking at the areas where injuries are occurring and challenging the manufacturers to better the levels of protection currently being offered. As with any product its always going to be looked at and evolved if any designer worth his salt wants to remain in their job.
This is whats being actioned now and we a cricket helmet designers/manufacturers are tasked with that job, we as Ayrtek have gone about it in our method and others will do it in theirs. There is no right or wrong answer to how a helmet should look but they have laid down a set of guidelines as to how it needs to perform in order to optimize safety and hopefully reduce the severity and occurrence of injuries we are seeing with the current helmets being worn on the market.
This is my view (even when not being a director of a cricket helmet company) can only be a good thing to help better protect cricketers when playing the sport we all love.
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With all due respect, the most serious injuries I have ever seen on a cricket field have been Keegan Meth getting a ball smashed back at 100mph straight into his mouth while he was bowling...will they legislate that bowlers should wear helmets? If they are consistent, they would.
The absolute worst injury I have seen in cricket was Rick Darling of Australia. Rick Darling was struck by a ball by Bob Willis on the heart going for a pull shot. Darling collapsed on the pitch and nearly died but for some quick thinking of John Emburey who realised Darling had swallowed his tongue. Should all players be forced to wear chest protectors?
Cricket head gear should be a choice and it should serve a primary purpose of protecting the player, while also being appealing to wear for adults who are not obligated to wear it.
I am sure common sense will prevail.
I'd say that that incident you quote is certainly one of the worst that I've seen too. The others would include Pollard's eye, Boucher's bail to the eye, Chanderpaul being knocked out, in spite of wearing a helmet, the fifteen year old kid I saw not wearing a helmet, and the guy who's nose I broke who wasn't wearing a helmet, when I was a teenager. I've seen enough ambulances relating to head injuries and cricket and accompanied many people to hospital, and tend to think that helmets are a good idea.
I don't think anyone is mandating that an adult should be made to wear a helmet, or any other protection, although, in certain circumstances, you'd be pretty dumb not to if it was available (would you deliberately walk out without a box? Some do!).
As you say - common sense will prevail.
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Gillespie and Steve Waugh colliding in Sri Lanka wasn't fun.
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Just because something/design is good enough and has been used for years does not disqualify it from being improved/made safer. Unfortunately Masuri from a new design perspective are a complete faliure, safety wise only time will tell.
Problem here isn't the fact that new standards are being introduced but it the fact that companies have done no real work to redesign their products (asthetically), Ayrtek's design works so they didn't have to. I think what was needed was some one sitting down for a couple of weeks and coming up with a new design considering they have had time to do this.
As for shrey, good for them to promote their own brand, chances are they might change their own design a bit if required and end up doing a better job than Masuri. No one is forced to wear a helmet at the levels we play but some do and others don't. Chances are most helmets are safe enough most times and there will never be any helmet that will gurantee you 100% protection everytime.
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Or engage your brain, then decide not to post regardless, cos there's clearly not a huge amount in there.
Though the comment wasn't exactly right, that's a little bit harsh
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the bit im struggling to understand is why the British/ecb keep getting slagged of when it is the ICC who are passing the new standard for helmet safety.
if they choose to implement it in all ICC sanctioned cricket then players will have to were the suitable helmet. any standard below this in adult cricket is up to the player if they were a helmet. if that choosing to be an older helmet because they prefer the look of it and they feel safe then fare enough. if they want a helmet that passes the recent improved standard for helmet safety then they will were that.
personally i think a lot comes down to the standard you play at and also what helmets are available to buy at the time.
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All i know is the entire South Africa team where them including the world number 1 batsman.
Great exposure no matter what and fair play they must be doing something right i have counted over 30 players internationally wearing them i wonder if some of the England players will wear them soon
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All i know is the entire South Africa team where them including the world number 1 batsman.
Great exposure no matter what and fair play they must be doing something right i have counted over 30 players internationally wearing them i wonder if some of the England players will wear them soon
Kallis is wearing a Masuri lid in the current match... ???
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Amla is wearing an Albion isn't he? And De Villiers
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They have worn Shrey though and have pictures of that great advertisement
In truth once the Masuri stock runs out which in truth is a Shrey anyway i guess it going to be all Shrey lid.
Going to be interesting to see what the England boys do
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They have worn Shrey though and have pictures of that great advertisement
In truth once the Masuri stock runs out which in truth is a Shrey anyway i guess it going to be all Shrey lid.
Going to be interesting to see what the England boys do
I think they all had pink Shrey helmets in their breast cancer awareness ODI, that's got to be a decent form of advertising.
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They have worn Shrey though and have pictures of that great advertisement
In truth once the Masuri stock runs out which in truth is a Shrey anyway i guess it going to be all Shrey lid.
Going to be interesting to see what the England boys do
Depends if it passes the new regulations though I guess
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Does the helmet have to meet the new BSI spec to be used in international cricket? What about those players who want to wear a cap?
There is a current (soon to be old) BSI spec for helmets, but there is no mention of this in the ICC Equipment regulations or in the MCC laws. I'm aware trading standards can ban helmets from sale if they don't meet the safety spec, but not sure how this is enforcable on the professional circuit - unless there are changes made to the ICC regs.
May be wrong but new standard for UK should come into play in the next few days: http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030259240 (http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030259240)
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If the helmets don't meet the new standards are manufacturers allowed to sell them and if they do and if a player is seriously injured while wearing said helmet where do they stand in regard to insurance and being sued? Especially if they make them ISO standards.
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To be fair, I don't care about a lot of what is going on this thread.
But.
I do find it interesting that not one of the "new" masuri lids has yet to be seen in any form of cricket yet upon a masuri sponsored players head?
Are they really that bad?
Is the visibility that poor?
As if your being paid to wear it, you'd expect someone to take the cash over style, and you'd expect masuri to want to get them on people's heads to promote them.
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Smith wearing a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/704787.html?object=47270 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/704787.html?object=47270)
Kallis wearing a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702107.html?object=45789;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702107.html?object=45789;page=1)
Duminy wearing a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/704949.html?page=1;object=44932 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/704949.html?page=1;object=44932)
Darren Sammy wearing Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-west-indies-2013-14/content/image/704083.html?page=1;object=53115 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-west-indies-2013-14/content/image/704083.html?page=1;object=53115)
Shane Shillingford wears Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-west-indies-2013-14/content/image/699801.html?object=52997;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-west-indies-2013-14/content/image/699801.html?object=52997;page=1)
Yuvraj Singh wears a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013-14/content/image/685153.html?object=36084;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013-14/content/image/685153.html?object=36084;page=1)
Cheteshwar Pujara wears a Shrey (though it looks like he has tried to texta over the logo, but it is still visable):
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702467.html?object=32540;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702467.html?object=32540;page=1)
Rohit Sharma wears a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/701557.html?object=34102;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/701557.html?object=34102;page=1)
Sharjeel Khan wears Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/gallery/704589.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/gallery/704589.html)
Mohammad Hafeez:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/gallery/704589.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/gallery/704589.html)
Shahid Afridi wearing a Shrey:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/image/702457.html?object=42639 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/content/image/702457.html?object=42639)
...and I am sure there are more that I have missed!
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I too will be wearing a Shrey helmet very soon well i use a masuri now!!!
I like the design and Raghav is a great bloke who blood sweat and family tradition is cricket equipment.
As for the other helmets i have used them all and still use a Albion Ultimate 98 for a certain team i play for.
I think they all have a place in the market Ayrtek are decent helmet and the design and make is incredible no doubt.
All personal preference and i have had 2 Old school masuri broke in half but that was the older design
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I too will be wearing a Shrey helmet very soon well i use a masuri now!!!
I like the design and Raghav is a great bloke who blood sweat and family tradition is cricket equipment.
As for the other helmets i have used them all and still use a Albion Ultimate 98 for a certain team i play for.
I think they all have a place in the market Ayrtek are decent helmet and the design and make is incredible no doubt.
All personal preference and i have had 2 Old school masuri broke in half but that was the older design
Cool as.
I have two Masuri's with Titanium grills and a Albion 98 with the Ti22 grill (or whatever it is called?)
Albion is good, but the Masuri's are lighter.
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I just like the design i have nothing against Tom and Ayrtek who i have always said is a real innovator and deserves his success and a top lad to boot.
Nothing personal in my choice i do not like the new grill with the weired ear thingy and prefer the titianum grill form about 4 years ago but hey all horses for courses.
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Cool as.
I have two Masuri's with Titanium grills and a Albion 98 with the Ti22 grill (or whatever it is called?)
Albion is good, but the Masuri's are lighter.
Having used a Masuri titanium, a plastic shelled Albion & an Ayrtek Raw I'd say the Ayrtek is easily the superior lid.
The Albion was chunky and didn't feel comfortable on my head.
The masuri is light and has fairly good visibility. I still use this if I keep (which is rarely)
The Ayrtek feels just as light as the masuri, offers better visibility and thanks to the ACIS lining is a better and more comfortable fit. It also provides superior protection so it's a no brainer to wear it for me.
Just my opinion, having used all three "major brands" of helmet, make what you will of that.
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Vic
One mistake I can see in your list, and it is a huge mistake...
Where is Piers Morgan?
:D
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Vic
One mistake I can see in your list, and it is a huge mistake...
Where is Piers Morgan?
:D
:)
Well, he is a star...just not at cricket! :)
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Just found this
http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/702235.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2013/content/story/702235.html)
Seems mascharenas broke his jaw while batting in a practice match. Although no pics of said game/incident, I can't believe he ever went out to bat helmet less, and he does where a masuri on normal occurrence
So another serious injury to add to the list,
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For me a helmet is a way to stop life threatening injuries not stop every injury. Similar to how a car has airbags, seat belts and all sorts and even with those you will suffer secondary injuries.
If you get smacked in the grill you might get a cut as opposed to a shattered cheek or jaw then the helmet has done its job. As we become more knowledgable as humans we strive for perfection but that doesn't mean the old model isn't adequate enough to serve the basic purpose.
I will not let anyone in my side bat without a helmet, just not worth the risk. I've got a nice scar on my chin from a length ball that reared up and hit me, without a helmet. With a helmet I would have got away unmarked but my generation was brought up without helmets being compulsory.
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Sorry to ignite this thread again, but questions I had from reading all 10 pages.
I'm going to make the presumption that Cricketforlove13 is on the payroll of Shrey. It's a shame FastEddie was no on the forum over Xmas as he would love the representation of the company from his posts and spelling (Yes I'm aware English is unlikely to be his first language, but if you're dealing with internationals around the world, I'm sure you have someone sufficient. My English isn't perfect and it's my only language, but I've not a brand to represent)
My main question is this:
Why when all other helmet manufacturers are trying to improve safety, would Shrey sit there and (appear to) refuse to do so. In my experience companies who rest on their laurels tend to be left behind. As they say in formula one, if you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards.
If ,in the hypothetical situation, the companies who follow the new ICC laws are making safer helmets and injuries are just happening to the pros wearing companies which have not followed these, that's bad marketing isn't it? A Shrey batsman gets hit on the grill it crushes the windpipe in his throat and another player runs on with a Masuri, Ayrtek, Albion etc etc then that will speak volumes on brands. This could happen the other way, but I know who my faith would sit with.
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My main question is this:
Why when all other helmet manufacturers are trying to improve safety, would Shrey sit there and (appear to) refuse to do so. In my experience companies who rest on their laurels tend to be left behind. As they say in formula one, if you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards.
If ,in the hypothetical situation, the companies who follow the new ICC laws are making safer helmets and injuries are just happening to the pros wearing companies which have not followed these, that's bad marketing isn't it? A Shrey batsman gets hit on the grill it crushes the windpipe in his throat and another player runs on with a Masuri, Ayrtek, Albion etc etc then that will speak volumes on brands. This could happen the other way, but I know who my faith would sit with.
This happened with Root during the home Ashes series when his GM was smashed to bits and they brought him out a Masuri. Can't imagine anyone really remembers that now and if they are cheap enough, enough people will buy them as they are better than nothing. They might be just trying to be clever and hit the market of people that refuse to wear the new helmets so the only place to get one of the 'old style' helmets will be from Shrey?
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That's exactly how Shrey will manage to capitalise on the situation, I'm sure there will be plenty of players that care more about what they look like than the protection they'll be receiving!
For protection alone anyone would be foolish not to go with an Ayrtek IMO
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This happened with Root during the home Ashes series when his GM was smashed to bits and they brought him out a Masuri. Can't imagine anyone really remembers that now and if they are cheap enough, enough people will buy them as they are better than nothing. They might be just trying to be clever and hit the market of people that refuse to wear the new helmets so the only place to get one of the 'old style' helmets will be from Shrey?
This
http://youtu.be/p5BBOa1o394 (http://youtu.be/p5BBOa1o394)
He's not worn a gm since, switched to masuri. Which has also coincidently/uncoincidently seen his form drop......
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That's exactly how Shrey will manage to capitalise on the situation, I'm sure there will be plenty of players that care more about what they look like than the protection they'll be receiving!
For protection alone anyone would be foolish not to go with an Ayrtek IMO
So foolish not to go with Ayrtek, that even Ayrtek sponsored players have abandoned their Ayrtek's...Broad wore it once this ummer before going back to his trusty Masuri and Kumar Sangakkarra did not wear his Ayrtek longer than he was contractually obligated to do so...and what is Sanga wearing now, you may ask? A Shrey, ladies and gentleman, a Shrey.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241052402743037&set=a.241052366076374.1073741829.227633104084967&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241052402743037&set=a.241052366076374.1073741829.227633104084967&type=1&theater)
I repeat, Shrey will be the biggest helmet manufacturer within two years.
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There is no need for you to deject Ayrtek. Their gear is quality along with their service however if you are so keen on shrey, I suggest you invest.
In my experience, ayrteks have been far better than other helmets, perhaps you should try one before you knock them, Vic :)
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Why when all other helmet manufacturers are trying to improve safety, would Shrey sit there and (appear to) refuse to do so. In my experience companies who rest on their laurels tend to be left behind. As they say in formula one, if you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards.
I hate to break it to you, but just this last week Shrey executives personally flew to England to submit a number of their helmets to rigorous testing (something Forma have never done, but they don give a f__ about your BS UK laws anyway). All I will say at this stage is that you will be seeing MORE of the Shrey at international level, not less. :)
If Mr James Mark wasn't banned from this forum, he would be able to give you a run down on the hoax that is being dumped on you, the UK consumer, by the nanny state and show you documentation of the collusion and deception.
But you guys could never handle the truth, so you would have simply poo pooed him as you always did in the past.
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There is no need for you to deject Ayrtek. Their gear is quality along with their service however if you are so keen on shrey, I suggest you invest.
In my experience, ayrteks have been far better than other helmets, perhaps you should try one before you knock them, Vic :)
I am not slagging Ayrtek's at all.
They may be the best helmet ever invented since the Lord's creation (I doubt it personally), but it cannot be ignored that NOT ONE international player persists in wearing one any longer than they are contractually obligated to do so.
Yet players like Michael Clarke (Masuri) and Cheteshwar Pujara (Shrey) continue to wear this helmet with the logo removed or texta'ed over (Pujara) in order to keep wearing their most preferred helmet even though they are not being paid anything to do so.
It is called "voting with one's feet".
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Where can I get one?
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Tbh, many are often put off by the look of Ayrteks - but their protection rivals "bigger" brands.
Players often use helmets they are suited to - Carberry still uses his aYrtek?
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Where can I get one?
You can contact them via Facebook and they will put you in touch with the UK distributor.
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Carberry still uses his aYrtek?
I rest my case.
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I rest my case.
What case?
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Is there a UK distributor, and how do the prices compare to Masuri?
I cant see the big issue with all this
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Is there a UK distributor, and how do the prices compare to Masuri?
I cant see the big issue with all this
What I was about to ask! :)
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Is there a UK distributor, and how do the prices compare to Masuri?
I cant see the big issue with all this
Shrey will be about 15% cheaper than Masuri as I understand. (But don't quote me on it, as I am not 100% sure)
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Vic, let's get you off your high horse and come back to the point that it was not the "British Nanny state" that you love so much but the ICC medical panel that raised issues with helmet designs and the British Standards Institute developed a new standard for protection off the back of this, that the ISO will implement. As much as you dislike to face the reality of the situation, there are plenty of injuries caused through helmets that met previous design standards. And a fair number have been mentioned, to international players, on here.
While we get that you don't like Ayrteks and love the shrey helmets, please get your facts straight before spouting nonsense about the British government forcing things on the public and go take a look at the ICC, of which CA, I believe, are a major part.....
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Hey Tim,
Would you care to enlighten me on the FACT that the new machine at Loughborough that will determine the safety capacity of all helmets will not be ready until February to conduct it's first tests. So by virtue of that fact, NO helmet (Ayrtek included) can honestly claim to meet the "new" safety standards?
You are very much learned on the topic, so please enlighten me on this anomaly that certain posters with vested interests on this forum have remained conspicuously silent about.
Kindest Regards,
You Mate
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I have extensive experience in conducting teating on a very wide variety of products to a very large list of specs and have found that In my experience quite a few (not all) of the clients I work with conduct in house testing of their own so that when they turn up for certified testing they kind of know what to expect from their kit.
So Vic I would expect that all leading lid manufacturers would conduct some level of testing during the development of their lids as it would be alot more cost effective to set up a basic test setup that can give you some confidence in your product before you turn up for certification testing to find your product is rubbish and you have to start again. :)
So in a nutshell I would hazard a guess that all the helmet manufactures have conducted their own testing so that they can say with at least 85% certainty that their lids will pass the new specs.
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hi Vic, ask mentioned elsewhere, you should expect the standard to be adopted into the MCC laws of cricket, so will apply in Aus (that nanny state that makes everyone where a bicycle helmet, not something compulsory over here - but eminently sensible)
it is only a matter of time.
if/when shrey fail the tests, then they won't be able to sell their products in the uk as the liability risk will be too high and they won't be insured.
forma make the lids for GN. who will have to do the testing on their lids. again they won't be sold if they aren't up to the standard.
please think more about what you are saying.
Albion will be the big winners as everyone buys their plastic club mark style lids.
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Given that the standards were only recently published, I don't doubt that a certification rig is not yet available. That's pretty standard practice. The Standard will define what the tests required to be passed are, and it will be possible to undertake these tests independently, as FvanN says, to provide a very high level of confidence that your products meet requirements.
As an aside, according to the BSi, Cricket Helmets are tested at a lab in Hemel Hempstead, so I'm not entirely sure why a testing machine in Loughborough being ready would have any impact on the ability to undertake a BSi Certification.
Having said that, looking through the literature and commentary, I also don't see anyone from the manufacturers explicitly stating that their products meet the new standard. What I do see is evidence of people talking about safer products and being tested in certain ways, and using terms like "helmets excel under both of these test conditions" and "we would only sell products that comply with the latest standards to meet insurance requirements" allowing kit nerds like us to draw our own conclusions. I'm sure no manufacturer will make statements about being certified until they truly are.
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So foolish not to go with Ayrtek, that even Ayrtek sponsored players have abandoned their Ayrtek's...Broad wore it once this ummer before going back to his trusty Masuri and Kumar Sangakkarra did not wear his Ayrtek longer than he was contractually obligated to do so...and what is Sanga wearing now, you may ask? A Shrey, ladies and gentleman, a Shrey.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241052402743037&set=a.241052366076374.1073741829.227633104084967&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241052402743037&set=a.241052366076374.1073741829.227633104084967&type=1&theater)
I repeat, Shrey will be the biggest helmet manufacturer within two years.
We dont sponsor or contract any players Vic, we are a very small company that made the decision not to pay players to use them from the outset, those that wear our helmet do so by choice.
As usual you arent in possession of all the facts, perhaps if you speak to your contact at Shrey they will get you upto speed as its not my place to divulge the info on an open forum.
Cheers
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We dont sponsor or contract any players Vic, we are a very small company that made the decision not to pay players to use them from the outset, those that wear our helmet do so by choice.
As usual you arent in possession of all the facts, perhaps if you speak to your contact at Shrey they will get you upto speed as its not my place to divulge the info on an open forum.
Cheers
I apologize if I sound like I have been big noting myself. But in actuality, my contact in Ayrtek (due to your participation on this forum) can be said to be stronger than my contact in Shrey.
I make no apology that on a number of levels I am repelled by the Ayrtek helmet...but that should not bother you as firstly, I am a nobody, and also, being an out there design, you must surely have expected it to polarize the cricketing fraternity?
I have been a Masuri fan since day one and I am confident that Masuri (or it's successors in design) will be around for a long time to come with a design that appeals to people of my ilk.
Again, I apologize that I have drawn inference that you sponsored players when you have not and I wish you well with your business endeavours.
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You should probably apologise to Shrey if you know someone/have a contact there.
Your one man personal campaign in this thread has personally put me off buying one, I may be the only one. If you don't have a connection to the brand I can't figure why you would have argued with anyone on here about player injuries, the success of future cricket helmets, British Government for the sake of them.
It reminds me of people who follow music bands when they were small, hoping to be able to say "I went to their gigs when there was 5 of us - I'm their biggest fan". People do and say this, but when they're right it is only themselves who hear their victory cries.
You talk about Shrey helmets being fine because nobody has been injured wearing one, but they've been out for 6 months. Yes Masuri before that but players have been injured wearing Masuri's.
The video Shrey posted of the impact I noticed that the ball comes at the helmet at a 90 degree adjacent angle. Showing it is safe against beamers. Tilt the helmet backwards to replicate the ball coming from the ground and I'll believe it's safety.
Yes I'd pay more for the same Masuri, but isn't life with choice wonderful. Think I'll stick with Albion or Ayrtek for now :)
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Am I the only one who seems to think some people have screws loose on here? It's starting to resemble a thread on a David Icke forum right now.
There are a few products in the market, one is largely noted as being the safest (I own one) but it is not to everyones tastes at the moment (bare in mind I'm sure people had the same opinions on helmets full stop when they first came out). But there are options, a helmet is better than no helmet.
No government conspiracy just a furthering of standards. The Shrey may conform to the standards with a couple of minor changes, there you go, may not need a complete overhaul. They may maintain the status quo and remain the market leader, I do not have a crystal ball.
I for one will not buy a Shrey on the basis of the aggressive marketing of the brand. When you search for 'Shrey' on google this is now one of the first links, I think this thread has already lost the company a number of customers, even if it loses the company 10 helmets Viv and other have just cost Shrey £400, something to think about.
I will always buy something from someone thoroughly reasonable hence why I have used SQ Sports, IJC, Uzi and Warsop over the last year. And why I think my next purchase will likely be an Aldred.
Tom, thanks for your input on the forum thus far, it's been an education in much the same way it has been learning from various batmakers, pressers and podshavers on here.
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I love how people spout forth nonsense like:
"You have put me off buying one with your blah blah blah....but, by the way, I own an Albion and an Ayrtek and I will stick to those"...
By the sound of it, you made up your mind way before Shrey hit the shelves. So they cannot have lost something they were never going to have on the basis that you were not an existing Masuri fan.
When Masuri cease production of their successful and ever popular shape, it will be interesting to see how many Masuri wearers drift over to other brands or simply "stay with the shape" and gravitate towards Shrey.
I know where my money would be if I was gambling man.
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Am I the only one who seems to think some people have screws loose on here? It's starting to resemble a thread on a David Icke forum right now.
There are a few products in the market, one is largely noted as being the safest (I own one) but it is not to everyones tastes at the moment (bare in mind I'm sure people had the same opinions on helmets full stop when they first came out). But there are options, a helmet is better than no helmet.
No government conspiracy just a furthering of standards. The Shrey may conform to the standards with a couple of minor changes, there you go, may not need a complete overhaul. They may maintain the status quo and remain the market leader, I do not have a crystal ball.
I for one will not buy a Shrey on the basis of the aggressive marketing of the brand. When you search for 'Shrey' on google this is now one of the first links, I think this thread has already lost the company a number of customers, even if it loses the company 10 helmets Viv and other have just cost Shrey £400, something to think about.
I will always buy something from someone thoroughly reasonable hence why I have used SQ Sports, IJC, Uzi and Warsop over the last year. And why I think my next purchase will likely be an Aldred.
Tom, thanks for your input on the forum thus far, it's been an education in much the same way it has been learning from various batmakers, pressers and podshavers on here.
Screws loose eh?
What is your corporate background?
How have you succeeded in your industry?
I want to know, so I can be more like you.
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All I see in this thread is a guy that believes his opinions are facts, and when everybody doesn't instantly agree with him or like his posts, is getting upset and going on the offensive.
"If you wont like shrey, I'll bring you all day muhahaha".........
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And I know where my money will be Vic when none of the UK cricket stores will be able to stock the ever elusive Shrey helmets...
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And I know where my money will be Vic when none of the UK cricket stores will be able to stock the ever elusive Shrey helmets...
Hahaha!
How big is the cricket gear market in the UK compared to the combined markets of India, Pakistan, Australia, South Africa, West Indies and New Zealand?
I am stifling laughter thinking about what you just wrote!
Shrey is already worn by Graeme Smith, Jacques Kallis, Duminy, Kumar Sangakkara, a host opf Pakistani players, a number of West Indian players, Jess Ryder and the list continues to grow.
Ever elusive eh?
Even if they only ever sold in India alone and nowhere else they would have a market share that no UK company could ever hope to replicate.
This is yet another example on here of English neo colonialism attitudes on display. No worries mate, the sun never sets on the British Empire...and whatever else makes you sleep better at night!
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Yes I'd pay more for the same Masuri
Did I read that correctly?
Are you insinuating that you would pay MORE for a Masuri in preference to a Shrey even though they are BOTH made in the exact same factory in Jalandhar by the same workers with only the labelling being different?
I hope that is not what you meant and I merely misunderstood the tenor of your point.
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"G'day Champ,
I was not going to share this on the main forum, and if you bring it up on the main forum, I shall deny it.
I have already got a friend of mine who is senior in the hierarchy at Cricket Australia already looking into assisting Shrey with having the contracting rights for the next years Big Bash League franchises and also the First Class teams.
The test team is a bit more complex due to having some kind of contractual arrangement with Masuri, but even that is not set in stone.
So, your point [that I] "have cost Shrey 400 pound due to ten people being put off" is utter nonsense, because those who are opposing me on the forum like yourself are already non Masuri wearers and I have already hooke Shrey up with major contacts here in Australia which will rocket them to the top.
Thanks for your concern anyway."
Just thought I'd throw it out there. Why would you send this or feel the need to justify yourself to me? Why would you risk writing stuff like this to random people you've never met before and trust me with this information?
I'm pretty certain your friend high up in Cricket Australia and those at Shrey wouldn't be particularly happy with you sharing this information?
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This thread was interesting at one point......
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I love how people spout forth nonsense like:
"You have put me off buying one with your blah blah blah....but, by the way, I own an Albion and an Ayrtek and I will stick to those"...
By the sound of it, you made up your mind way before Shrey hit the shelves. So they cannot have lost something they were never going to have on the basis that you were not an existing Masuri fan.
Wasn't aware of Shrey till this week. But it seems from your statement only Masuri users will be switching to Shrey. Most people I know are cautious with what looks like a knock off brand. They won't know they're made from the old Masuri factory so will believe them to a cheaper and of lower quality Indian copy, which we know isn't the case. This will mean they'll walk into a shop and try on what's there..... It doesn't matter what the pros wear, most pro's wear the sticker/badge of what pays them the most.....
I was looking for a Masuri when I bought my Albion, I went with the Albion because I could find it at a much better price than the Masuri (bar SD who didn't have my size)
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So what I have learnt from the 12 pages on Shrey helmets is that they appear to be the same design as the popular Masuri helmet, they can do them in pink, Vic Nicholas is very attached and over protective about them and to some up the helmet market YOU PAYS YOUR MONEY AND TAKES YOUR CHOICE!
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"G'day Champ,
I was not going to share this on the main forum, and if you bring it up on the main forum, I shall deny it.
I have already got a friend of mine who is senior in the hierarchy at Cricket Australia already looking into assisting Shrey with having the contracting rights for the next years Big Bash League franchises and also the First Class teams.
The test team is a bit more complex due to having some kind of contractual arrangement with Masuri, but even that is not set in stone.
So, your point [that I] "have cost Shrey 400 pound due to ten people being put off" is utter nonsense, because those who are opposing me on the forum like yourself are already non Masuri wearers and I have already hooke Shrey up with major contacts here in Australia which will rocket them to the top.
Thanks for your concern anyway."
Just thought I'd throw it out there. Why would you send this or feel the need to justify yourself to me? Why would you risk writing stuff like this to random people you've never met before and trust me with this information?
I'm pretty certain your friend high up in Cricket Australia and those at Shrey wouldn't be particularly happy with you sharing this information?
It is called throwing misinformation out there to see who are [no swearing please] and who are not.
The Soviets and the CIA used to do it all the time.
You fell for it and have shown your true character.
What a weed!
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So what I have learnt from the 12 pages on Shrey helmets is that they appear to be the same design as the popular Masuri helmet, they can do them in pink, Vic Nicholas is very attached and over protective about them and to some up the helmet market YOU PAYS YOUR MONEY AND TAKES YOUR CHOICE!
...and you have shown yourself to be smarter than most.
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Did I read that correctly?
Are you insinuating that you would pay MORE for a Masuri in preference to a Shrey even though they are BOTH made in the exact same factory in Jalandhar by the same workers with only the labelling being different?
I hope that is not what you meant and I merely misunderstood the tenor of your point.
Pretty much, after this thread I spoke to some friends about Shrey helmets last night. The opinion was that it's a cheap knock off of Masuri. Nobody asked where Masuri were made, nobody asked where Shrey were made. The 2 helmets could be identical(put in my friends hands), all my friends would choose the Masuri. Brand strength.
I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....
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It is called throwing misinformation out there to see who are twats and who are not.
The Soviets and the CIA used to do it all the time.
You fell for it and have shown your true character.
What a weed!
Something you do regularly on this forum, not realising it makes you look the (No Swearing Please).
If someone believe's it you can act all high and mighty whilst shooting down other people's comments.
If someone questions it then it's purposefully misleading to ought people who might stand up to you...
Oh how clever you are in these posts you cannot lose from. You are a true keyboard warrior and I hope you get some extra internets for your hard work.
Why did Masuri leave the Shrey factory? Is this information known?
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Pretty much, after this thread I spoke to some friends about Shrey helmets last night. The opinion was that it's a cheap knock off of Masuri. Nobody asked where Masuri were made, nobody asked where Shrey were made. The 2 helmets could be identical, all my friends would choose the Masuri. Brand strength.
I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....
Simply bizarre rationale.
But I respect that anyway.
It is a bit like a kid paying nearly 800 dollars for a Kookaburra Kahuna when he can have the exact same bat made in the same factory by SG (who are the main company) for less than half the price.
Same with any number of gloves and pads that are made on the same production line, but merely have different decals printed on.
Cheap knock off? :)
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I'm pretty sure there's a white room with your name on the door waiting for you somewhere?
Why are you being so weird about things? As in what is your angle? I can't really understand where you're coming from. Aside from the rantings of a mad man, sum up as few words as possible and we might know what the hell you're going on about.
Thus far we have had international conspiracies, falls of empires, misinformation, name dropping, soviets, cia. All over cricket helmets of all things!
Additionally.
Well summed up 'Spanky'.
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Something you do regularly on this forum, not realising it makes you look the (No Swearing Please).
If someone believe's it you can act all high and mighty whilst shooting down other people's comments.
If someone questions it then it's purposefully misleading to ought people who might stand up to you...
Oh how clever you are in these posts you cannot lose from. You are a true keyboard warrior and I hope you get some extra internets for your hard work.
Why did Masuri leave the Shrey factory? Is this information known?
I post under my own name.
You and most other cowards on here do not.
Who is the keyboard warrior then?
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Why is it whenever I read this thread and one side of the debate am I minded of Desmond Tutu's quote - "Don't shout, get a better argument."?
Any chance we can ask this banned forum member who can enlighten us on why we're being duped by the British Government (and I love a conspiracy); who killed JFK, where's Elvis, what really happened at Roswell and, most importantly, why KP isn't batting at 3 or 4 in this ODI series?
I think the reason players stick with/go back to a certain brand/design is, as has previously been touched on, familiarity. They put their trust in the manufacturers that the helmet is fit for purpose. Bell tried the Kookaburra helmet, went back to Masuri. Broad went back to his, I would guess, because he wanted one less thing to think about while batting. We all know what it's like with new gear - there's a period of getting used to it. Broad clearly likes the Aditek - he's worn it for England and Notts, but probably wants some extended netting time in it to get used to it. I may be wrong, maybe he hates it, but no-ones forcing him to wear it, it's his choice. At test level I imagine, you have a finite amount of time to get used to new gear - maybe the back end of an English summer and build up to an Ashes tour wasn't the best time to introduce a new lid to him. Carberry's been wearing his for a while now.
Are people terrified we'll see batsman running up to fielders waving their Ayrteks/Aditeks in their face? Tell you what, let's call these people 'progressive helmophobes....'
If people want to wear a Masuri/Shrey, fine. I just get the feeling that, in 10 years time, traditional helmets such as those with be in the minority. Look at American Football - one or two different designs that evolve almost every season and are safety tested rigorously. Surely we want that in cricket? Technology and cricket equipment moves on. I for one am happy in the knowledge that the helmet I use has been tested sufficiently enough that I'm not going to lose my teeth or fracture an eye socket. If the Masuri/Shrey prevents that as well and they have a place in future global markets, great. I just don't see the need to be tribal about it and, seriously, the generalising of colonialism and that all us English are the same is, frankly, offensive. It dilutes your points significantly. I refer you to my opening sentence.
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I'm pretty sure there's a white room with your name on the door waiting for you somewhere?
Why are you being so weird about things? As in what is your angle? I can't really understand where you're coming from. Aside from the rantings of a mad man, sum up as few words as possible and we might know what the hell you're going on about.
Thus far we have had international conspiracies, falls of empires, misinformation, name dropping, soviets, cia. All over cricket helmets of all things!
Additionally.
Well summed up 'Spanky'.
Again, you have not answered the question...
What do you do for a living in the corporate world?
How successful at it are you?
Can you share the secret of your success so I can be just like you?
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I don't want to have to explain to everyone my helmet isn't a cheap knock off but made at the same place etc etc. It would be like a kid turning up with "Niek" trainers to school....
Without wanting to get into this debate I don't quite understand your point here. Seeing as we all part of a Custom Bat Forum purchasing bats from smaller brands that most regular crickets probably haven't heard off wouldn't the same principle then be the same for the bats we buy off here? I quite enjoy telling people abouts bats from smaller companies. That doesn't make them inferior to the big brands does it or a 'cheap knock off' as you say?
We purchase bats from smaller bat companies because we know we are getting a top standard product for less money than it would cost just becuase it has a GM or Kook badge on it. So whats the difference between buying a Shrey instead of a Masuri and explaining the reason why?
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We have also learnt that if you look at the masuri website the new masuri test looks pretty much like there old helmet ... Just a more modern version to passs the new standard?? !
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This has more drama than an episode of Neighbours... (So I've heard, anyway) :)
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I'm so glad this thread has been reopened! It was so boring without this thread to read, the Middle East conflict is about the only global issue that hasn't been dragged into this thread, sure it won't be long until it is!
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We have also learnt that if you look at the masuri website the new masuri test looks pretty much like there old helmet ... Just a more modern version to passs the new standard?? !
The VS test and VS Club look quite similar to previous models yes. They do have the HALO system though, because they don't have the double bar grille the gap between peak and grille is quite small.
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Sorry I started this thread, as it's led to fighting and bickering.
Good to see new companes/brands out there as consumer choice is what benefits.
But I feel people are a lot like myself. Brand loyal. Albion has seen me through juniors and into seniors. And protected my head in 3 different countries playing the game we all cherish. Just as I'm sure Ayrtek/GM/Forma/Masuri/Gray Nicholls have done for others. Even though Albion don't sponsor anyone, it doesn't bother me as I know my head will always be protected to the top level. All those years making lids and grilles has to count for something.
Vic Nicholas, I certainly understand the point and sentiments you are attempting to make, but please mate, take it from a fellow Aussie, you're sounding (From what I read) like a small child who's just had his sandcastle knocked over in the schoolyard sandpit.
People ultimately will make their own decisions. And here in Australia, you'll know that many flocked to Masuri as they were different and new to Albions which is what we were brought up with. But amazingly here in Melbourne at least, people are flocking back to Albions as the novalty of Masuri is starting to wear off.
I fear the same trend to happen with Shrey. They'll sell initially due to being a different and new brand, but ultimately over a short period of time, people will go back to their tried and true methods when their novalty wears off.
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Without wanting to get into this debate I don't quite understand your point here. Seeing as we all part of a Custom Bat Forum purchasing bats from smaller brands that most regular crickets probably haven't heard off wouldn't the same principle then be the same for the bats we buy off here? I quite enjoy telling people abouts bats from smaller companies. That doesn't make them inferior to the big brands does it or a 'cheap knock off' as you say?
We purchase bats from smaller bat companies because we know we are getting a top standard product for less money than it would cost just becuase it has a GM or Kook badge on it. So whats the difference between buying a Shrey instead of a Masuri and explaining the reason why?
A very good point, I guess I have made an opinion of a difference in the 2 products. I do not see Shrey doing their own thing, take the badge off a Shrey and Masuri you cannot see the difference (or at least I cannot).
With the custom bats the manufacturers are doing their own thing on a smaller and more personal scale. Same as Ayrtek is a difference helmet to what is already offered.
I enjoy telling people bout my custom bats and talk about what they do differently to GM. My Laver was made to my specifications, it has a thicker toe than most bats would but (and I'm still not sure how) Laver made the bat to have no bottom heavy influence.
With Shrey all I can say is they used to make Masuri, now they don't. But it's same factory etc.
This is my opinion and certainly not fact.
Also I am not at any point saying Shrey are a cheap knock off, just that that was the opinion of those I mentioned it to.
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... The Thread That Would Not Die!!! :D
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England U19's wearing Shrey Helmets
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Ryan McLaren concussed in one!
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Ryan McLaren concussed in one!
Amla took one to the face and just carried on... Seems albion would be a better choice :D
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Amla took one to the face and just carried on... Seems albion would be a better choice :D
Mclaren ducked into a short one, Amla didn't.
Bit like saying Dale Steyn bowls faster than Monty, therefore New Balance are better.
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Mclaren ducked into a short one, Amla didn't.
Bit like saying Dale Steyn bowls faster than Monty, therefore New Balance are better.
Monty turns it more so Asics are clearly superior mate ;)
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Questionable!
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Shrey designed the most popular helmet ever worn in cricket
They are working towards the nessasary standards to continue this.
They are the same helmet as most of you wear now.
Hate to go over old ground but which a different badge on the back they where good enough for to then and good enough for a lot of proffesionals.
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Shrey designed the most popular helmet ever worn in cricket
They are working towards the nessasary standards to continue this.
They are the same helmet as most of you wear now.
Hate to go over old ground but which a different badge on the back they where good enough for to then and good enough for a lot of proffesionals.
Exactly I don't see why people are slating them as up to now they match the standards required, also I bet the people slating them have a masuri!
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Point one:
Shrey have in my opinion (I could be wrong) the most popular helmet on the market albeit formally branded as Masuri. Clearly it has provided adequate protection more times than it has failed. The majority of cricketers in my opinion are both fussy and superstitious about their kit (including helmets) as a result I believe we will see the majority of international cricketers continue to use the current Shrey design. As a result the majority of customers will buy the helmet that their favourite players use which I believe will be Shrey (unless it is unavailable to the market).
Point two:
WE SHOULD ALL WANT HELMETS TO IMPROVE AND PROVIDE THE BEST PROTECTION IT CAN, after all a helmet is designed to protect you. We want players to continue playing even if they get hit on the head and on multiple occasions this has not been the case. There must be a reason for Masuri changing their helmets and I can only assume that it is to do with the grille (their new helmets seem to focus on this). I believe that Ayrtek have the best helmet in terms of protection on the market currently and I can only praise the company for producing a helmet with safety in mind and not focusing on aesthetics. Maybe I'm biased as I am from Bristol but I am NOT an Ayrtek user and in fact use my Masuri when I do use a helmet.
I think this is basically the argument that required 14 pages of largely nonsense.
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I see Pandora's box has been opened again.
Be interesting to see if this thread goes in a new direction or recycles previous blurb.
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Mclaren ducked into a short one, Amla didn't.
Bit like saying Dale Steyn bowls faster than Monty, therefore New Balance are better.
My statment was a little toung in cheek ;)
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Point one:
Shrey have in my opinion (I could be wrong) the most popular helmet on the market albeit formally branded as Masuri. Clearly it has provided adequate protection more times than it has failed. The majority of cricketers in my opinion are both fussy and superstitious about their kit (including helmets) as a result I believe we will see the majority of international cricketers continue to use the current Shrey design. As a result the majority of customers will buy the helmet that their favourite players use which I believe will be Shrey (unless it is unavailable to the market).
Point two:
WE SHOULD ALL WANT HELMETS TO IMPROVE AND PROVIDE THE BEST PROTECTION IT CAN, after all a helmet is designed to protect you. We want players to continue playing even if they get hit on the head and on multiple occasions this has not been the case. There must be a reason for Masuri changing their helmets and I can only assume that it is to do with the grille (their new helmets seem to focus on this). I believe that Ayrtek have the best helmet in terms of protection on the market currently and I can only praise the company for producing a helmet with safety in mind and not focusing on aesthetics. Maybe I'm biased as I am from Bristol but I am NOT an Ayrtek user and in fact use my Masuri when I do use a helmet.
I think this is basically the argument that required 14 pages of largely nonsense.
From what I know (through this thread)
Shrey produce a copy of the Masuri helmet since they moved production back to the UK.
This is to the current standard and is a very good helmet.
There is a new standard coming in.
Some guy on here thinks Shrey are the best ever and won't change and won't bend to the new regulations and has a "what you going to do?" stance. He then says that thy are working to it and Shrey will be market leader and everyone will wear one.
End of the day, personal choice will prevail. There will always be choice and options. I don't even know whether Shrey have entered the UK market officially yet.
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The Masuri/Shrey argument of which is better is as subjective as differentiating softs from the same manufacturer, just different company name on the front (and differing colours, obviously).
The question everyone really wants to know is has the quality of the production of either the Shrey or the Masuri changed since Masuri moved and Shrey starting up.
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The Masuri/Shrey argument of which is better is as subjective as differentiating softs from the same manufacturer, just different company name on the front (and differing colours, obviously).
The question everyone really wants to know is has the quality of the production of either the Shrey or the Masuri changed since Masuri moved and Shrey starting up.
Bar stiching the label on the back there is no difference to the masuri helmets bar nothing
If you will imagine the softs vendor New Grayhound they produce the same just different logos the quality will be the same if the same person made them with the same meterials.
Sorry to New Grayhound but a couple of the forum sponsor use them and maybe you can spot them too
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Shrey designed the most popular helmet ever worn in cricket
They are working towards the nessasary standards to continue this.
They are the same helmet as most of you wear now.
Hate to go over old ground but which a different badge on the back they where good enough for to then and good enough for a lot of proffesionals.
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They did not design it they surely manufactured to masuri design and specifications?? And have now decided to sell it as there own... Will be interesting to see how the market progresses! And if they can carry on
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Good point I guess they didn't design it it keep using it good design it is.
Do you work for cotton or masuri in any capacity I have always used masuri from the reinforced polastyrene type to the current version
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Shrey contacted me a while ago looking to sell helmets to me directly... Not sure what's happened to Masuri but yes shrey are the ones who make the Masuri lids..
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It's just because people aren't used to seeing Shrey as the brand, I find it odd how there is this Shrey-phobia, while the same thing is done with bats... I've never used Masuri before, so can't really comment on Shrey, but seems like the helmet design is good, perhaps not as safe as Ayrtek, but it must be good enough if forum members here used to swear by them! I've used Albion, Readers and GM in the past, but none of them can compare to my Ayrtek, I just love my Ayrtek too much. :D
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The Shrey family are the Kholi's who as some might know are BAS and also a sister clothing company TK Sports.
They have a big heratige in the cricket industry and I know Raghav will correct me I think 3rd generation cricket and clothing vendors and inventors.
There no doubting there pedigree and quality and there a very well respected group of people.
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I'm just gonna wear a cap and trust my ability and judgement.
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I'm just gonna wear a cap and trust my ability and judgement.
It only takes one dodgy bounce or one top edge for that to end in disaster.
You're braver than me mate (and probably a better batsman if you don't worry about it!)
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It only takes one dodgy bounce or one top edge for that to end in disaster.
You're braver than me mate (and probably a better batsman if you don't worry about it!)
I think it's an age thing mate. I'm nearer 40 than 30 and grew up in an era were as a junior you didn't have to wear a helmet, so never got used to wearing one and now would feel odd wearing one.
I have played at an ok level (Hants county 1) for the last 10ish years and never felt at risk without a helmet on.
I think some people play at a level where they need one. I think a lot of people wear one because people on telly do.
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I would add that anyone under the age of 25 has probably been forced to wear one as a junior, are used to wearing one, and as a result are as comfortable wearing one as I am wearing a cap.
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Good point I guess they didn't design it it keep using it good design it is.
Do you work for cotton or masuri in any capacity I have always used masuri from the reinforced polastyrene type to the current version
No I do not work for cotton?? Or masuri. Why do you ask? So you work for asda?
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Not sure you only have posted on this thread and welcome to the forum mate by the way.
Asda no I can't afford that.
I must say i'm not knocking the new masuri either looks ok to me as do most helmets i just will be wearing Shrey it the style of helmet I like
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Bar stiching the label on the back there is no difference to the masuri helmets bar nothing
If you will imagine the softs vendor New Grayhound they produce the same just different logos the quality will be the same if the same person made them with the same meterials.
Sorry to New Grayhound but a couple of the forum sponsor use them and maybe you can spot them too
This post sums it up perfectly.
In his autobiography, Matty Hayden said that debating which batting gloves are better is pointless as "most are made in the same factories".
As for helmets, if the Shrey deviated from the Masuri in even the most minute way, you can bet that the 20 odd international players already wearing them, would not.
It IS a pointless debate, as consumers will vote with their feet (and wallets). My guess is that when it comes time to deciding, most punters will do what they have always done in the past - gone with whatever their favourite player is wearing.
If that is the case (and I suspect it will be), Shrey will be a huge brand as they already have a large number of former Masuri wearing test players promoting their product. Once the Australian and English players start wearing them (surely not long now), this thread will be quietly locked down and no one will be prepared to admit that they slated Shrey.
Whatever you choose to wear on your bonce for this and future summers, enjoy your cricket.
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Can someone pls tell me how to opt out of this topic?
I had some time ago written something within this thread, but now am regretting I did, because its become very irritating to keep getting the alerts on this matter.
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Can someone pls tell me how to opt out of this topic?
I had some time ago written something within this thread, but now am regretting I did, because its become very irritating to keep getting the alerts on this matter.
Disable the feature which alerts you to anything posted in topics you have posted in = no more alerts ever again.
As Alexander Meerkat would say: "simples".
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England U19's are wearing them Vic, can't be long now.
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I would agree with Vic in the sense that most of the people who play cricket will continue to follow the crowd of what is being used most in numbers. I think it all depends on if they become available and if international sides are wearing them mainly, as side mainly wear Masuri's currently. If teams use the new Masuri helmets then I'd be surprised if the playing public don't stay with "Masuri".
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Supposedly legal matters have begun between masuri and shrey over the helmet design...
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I'll take a shrey if it's like 2013's masuri, new ones are ugly and I'm really not sure the 'extra' protection is worth it tbh. Maybe for a pro but not for amateurs.
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Don't buy the 2 bar version they have a single bar version as well that looks like their 2013 version
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Speaking to Brendan Nash yesterday , he said kent ccc have a deal with masuri the rep come down to see them , but he said new masuri is horrible ,and will carry on wearing the standard masuri/shrey profile on the future , think he said no one on the staff have ordered one !
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Jon Hardy was at my golf club today for a match. I wasn't paired up against him this time.
I have to admit I am not sure I would have raised the subject with him!
on the plus side Min Patel is a thoroughly good bloke and a decent golfer!
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So where can I buy a masuri/shrey 2013 type model then? Don't want the new ones as it's ugly and the adi thing isn't really my scene (sorry Tom :))
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I'd like to know as well. I emailed shrey direct via Facebook and email and they never got back to me. New masuri looks hideous
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Currently looking for a Shrey lid as well. Only thing I found whilst searching was a list of the different selection of Shrey helmets - just the same as Masuri's ranges.
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If you want hats have then buy a. Masuri. Shops have loads of the old style still to shift. Contact vitas, ijc or anyone to get one, simples.
This argument, weather Vic is correct or the others just keeps going round and round in circles. All that can be said has been,
Revisit in a year, if shrey are in the market cool. If not, then so be it.
Either way, life will continue, and people will play cricket.
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I don't have any left, haven't since November.
Been waiting for stock of the new design from masuri ever since it was announced. It was originally scheduled for a pre Christmas arrival to retailers. Last update was that they were due in last week....
In their current form (admittedly I haven't seen one, but rob sayer who we know well was given one at the u19 World Cup and said it was identical to a masuri) we won't be stocking Shrey as they won't pass a BSI test. I know there is plenty of rhetoric out there about Shrey lids passing the tests, but if that is the case then there would no need for such a drastic redesign from masuri.
It's an incredibly grey area with a lot of misinformation and lack of input/updates from the people making the decisions, but it will all come out in the wash over the next few months.
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In my opinion, the helmets don't look as bad in person as they do on the pictures. That being said, the twin bar grille is weird on your eyes, and rather distracting.
As I mentioned Masuri have started legal proceedings with shrey so more information will be available soon.
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In my opinion, the helmets don't look as bad in person as they do on the pictures. That being said, the twin bar grille is weird on your eyes, and rather distracting.
As I mentioned Masuri have started legal proceedings with shrey so more information will be available soon.
Do you have a link to any details of this mate?
As an obviously concerned party, I would quite like to have a read. My knowledge of this is that attempting to pursue a company in India is impossible. Surridge spent 7+ years trying to do so with Sareen before giving up and going after us retailers who stocked them.
Will be a similar story with any retailer stocking Shrey I imagine, ie we will be the easy targets. Though I had been led to believe that Masuri have no protection on that design.
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So where can I buy a masuri/shrey 2013 type model then? Don't want the new ones as it's ugly and the adi thing isn't really my scene (sorry Tom :))
We have the classic Masuri models in both the Elite and Test versions in Navy, Green and Maroon.
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we have Elite Ti and Stainless Steel available in both standard and large sizes
http://uzisports.com/seniors-cricket-helmets-masuri (http://uzisports.com/seniors-cricket-helmets-masuri)
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Given that there is an Albion design that is largely identical to both the shrey and old style masuri, I DBE surprised if there is protection on the lid, however masuri may have design rights on the grill.
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https://m.facebook.com/ChrisGayleSpartan?id=207472819379053&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FChrisGayleSpartan
Seems masuri have Chris gayle interested?
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Based on the video, if I'm understanding it correctly, all helmets have to meet the new standard by the end of 2013. Sounds like Shrey will have to re-design to be used in ICC events. I'll wait for the Shrey poster boy to tell me I'm wrong....
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Based on the video, if I'm understanding it correctly, all helmets have to meet the new standard by the end of 2013. Sounds like Shrey will have to re-design to be used in ICC events. I'll wait for the Shrey poster boy to tell me I'm wrong....
That video is slightly out of date, in the sense that the signs initially pointed to the new standard being ready for december 2013, and Masuris original estimate for stock arrival to retailers was pre-christmas. Its now days from the season and we still have no stock.
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As I mentioned Masuri have started legal proceedings with shrey so more information will be available soon.
You are on the right track, but on the wrong train.
Masuri did indeed send out legal letters to Shrey back in January (I think), but, having spoken to Raghav Kohli of Shrey today by phone, he has informed me that Masuri have since sent out retraction letters and will not be pursuing any course of action against Shrey.
So, in a nut shell, there are no outstanding issues between Masuri and Shrey at this point of time and nor is there any problems envisaged in the future.
Moreover, an increasing number of members of this forum have contacted Shrey requesting helmets, so the Shrey admiration club is quietly growing. Throw in the fact that everyday more and more international players are wearing Shrey's and it is easy to see that they are winning the hearts and minds of the people who matter the most - the international and first class players...and even with limited exposure and no marketing, the average amateur cricketer who will make up the customer base. People are voting with their feet.
As for the BSI tests, *no one* has passed them as they haven't even been held yet, so technically, no brand can be stocked if you go down that line of thinking.
Shrey will be fine and within two years will be the biggest helmet manufacturer in the world. Whether some nay sayers want it or not.
There are literally thousands of customers in the world - I am sure there is room for every manufacturer.
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You are on the right track, but on the wrong train.
Masuri did indeed send out legal letters to Shrey back in January (I think), but, having spoken to Raghav Kohli of Shrey today by phone, he has informed me that Masuri have since sent out retraction letters and will not be pursuing any course of action against Shrey.
So, in a nut shell, there are no outstanding issues between Masuri and Shrey at this point of time and nor is there any problems envisaged in the future.
Moreover, an increasing number of members of this forum have contacted Shrey requesting helmets, so the Shrey admiration club is quietly growing. Throw in the fact that everyday more and more international players are wearing Shrey's and it is easy to see that they are winning the hearts and minds of the people who matter the most - the international and first class players...and even with limited exposure and no marketing, the average amateur cricketer who will make up the customer base. People are voting with their feet.
As for the BSI tests, *no one* has passed them as they haven't even been held yet, so technically, no brand can be stocked if you go down that line of thinking.
Shrey will be fine and within two years will be the biggest helmet manufacturer in the world. Whether some nay sayers want it or not.
There are literally thousands of customers in the world - I am sure there is room for every manufacturer.
....... Shrey Trade account coming soon ;)
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Vic you are a great PR man for Shrey.
It'll be good to see when Shrey come to the UK market and are stocked in the retailers.
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I hope all manufacturers pass the test. Although it doesn't happen with everything, competition tends to benefit the consumer so the more the merrier I say!
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I can see shrey now call their helmets the pro guard and the masterclass... Sad really as they seem to be taking their ideas from masuri still as they have copied the masuri xline earpads... Still not innovators are they...
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....... Shrey Trade account coming soon ;)
Mate, I would have loved to have been their official supplier in Australia...but Shrey already have a good bloke by the name of Phil O'Meara of Eagle Sports here in Melbourne who has the contract to supply Shrey to the Australian market.
Just like SS sell their bats here in Australia without problems, Shrey similarly have no issues here.
The Indian internal market is MASSIVE, so they are already well on their way.
As for the UK, I do not forsee any problems as everything ill be ironed out soon.
As someone has already mentioned on here, all this competition is great for the consumer. So sit back and enjoy the benefits that quality manufacturers can provide!
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I can see shrey now call their helmets the pro guard and the masterclass... Sad really as they seem to be taking their ideas from masuri still as they have copied the masuri xline earpads... Still not innovators are they...
I take it that you were equally offended when M&H copied Tendulkar's bat shape...the same bat made for him by BAS - ironically enough, Raghav Kohli's (CEO of Shrey) family business?
M&H even advertised it as the "Tendulkar Shape"...pretty straight forward if you ask me.
To quote you "Still not innovators are they..."
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I'll personally be intrigued as to how things will work under the new rules. As I understand it, the ICC has mandated that helmets used in ICC competitions are required to meet the new standards due to injuries in those competitions. That will be World Cups, Champions Trophy, Test Matches, plus all other ICC organised internationals.
If a local board has an agreement with a manufacturer to use a helmet that doesn't meet the required standard, are they forced to use a different supplier?
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And we go round and round again,
17pages for a thread that only has enough info for about 6posts.
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And we go round and round again,
17pages for a thread that only has enough info for about 6posts.
Of course we do... We will not let it lie...!
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No not offended, just if they are the new kids on the block that will always be half a block behind as they are taking their cues from masuri, you would think they would go their own way... Or are you saying if something is that good it always gets copied... If so all shrey will ever be is a copy cat helmet. Classic cars are nice, but new models are better for every day use.
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Vic, with your connection to Shrey do you know if they plan to bring out their own designed helmets/grills?
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No not offended, just if they are the new kids on the block that will always be half a block behind as they are taking their cues from masuri, you would think they would go their own way... Or are you saying if something is that good it always gets copied... If so all shrey will ever be is a copy cat helmet. Classic cars are nice, but new models are better for every day use.
Oh yeah, that is why you have a whole website here dedicated to COPY OTHER BRANDS BATS.
You do not seem to see the irony.
Millichamp and Hall (and other companies) have copied the BAS made bat that Tendulkar uses and even unashamedly marketed it as the "Tendulkar Shape".
BAS is owned by the same family that owns Shrey...and their iconic bat shape has been copied in the UK unashamedly.
Conversely, Shrey have been manufacturing Masuri helmets FOR Masuri for years. Just because Masuri have abandoned this design for their own reasons, it does not preclude Shrey from continuing to churn out these helmets that there is obviously a demand for. How does that make them "copy cats"?
You sound like you will be extremely happy to be wearing the new Masuri design - I wish you all the best with that. On the other hand, we obviously have a massive amount of people around the world who were happy with - what was considered on this website only a matter of months ago - as the "best helmet design ever".
You can wear what you want mate, but, don't expect the majority to agree with your choices.
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Vic, with your connection to Shrey do you know if they plan to bring out their own designed helmets/grills?
On the Shrey Facebook page, there are some pictures of the Akhmal brothers in the recent T20 against Australia sporting a new styled grill with different ear-pads on their Shreys.
So, the designs are being tweaked to give the Shrey it's own look and personality. But, it will not stray too far from the classic design loved by all.
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I think people like myself will go in a shop and buy what they feel fits best and are happy with. You have been banging the drum that shrey are amazing I just pointed out not so amazing as to invent or evolve a design with out copying masuri.
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I think people like myself will go in a shop and buy what they feel fits best and are happy with. You have been banging the drum that shrey are amazing I just pointed out not so amazing as to invent or evolve a design with out copying masuri.
I just keep reiterating the point to petty, jealous individuals like yourself that Shrey have been manufacturing the much loved Masuri helmets for years. Given that Masuri (for reasons best known only to themselves) have abandoned the design, that hardly makes Shrey "copy cats". They are merely continuing to manufacture the helmet - in the same factory as they have been for years - that was described in this very site back last year as "the greatest designed helmet ever".
Check.
Also, you are a member of this site that by it's very raison d'etre glorifies those independent bat makers who copy well known designs for your benefit...including the famous Millichamp & Hall who copied the Kohli families BAS bat design for Tendulkar (a point I note that you studiously avoid addressing).
Check mate.
You don't want an old (circa 2013) styled Masuri or Shrey - no problem, there are plenty of brands out there for you.
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I have talked to Raghav a few times what a top bloke and refreshing man he is.
The venom people have come on from here at times is crazy.
He is a kholi and His family have great tradition in the industry and some people need to respect and understand this.
I'm waiting for my sky blue helmet I like other prefer the style of helmet plain and simple.
I'm not taking away it detracting from an other helmets because I have tried them all I just prefer this design.
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I avoided the Bas bat design as you were making the point for me some companies will never innovate they will simply copy/ reproduce. Nothing wrong with quality etc etc some companies will innovate and move on. Shrey will make as they have a well loved 15year old design. And change bits to look like helmets they like, other companies will innovate. Probably left to their own ideas now we will have a shrey that looks like an ayrtek soon.
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Has the Point that Millichamp & Hall copied the Kohli families BAS bat design for Tendulkar been made yet? :-[
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I don't believe anyone really has an issue with Shrey, just the forcefulness of Vic's convictions. He says he has no affiliation, then uses "we" when talking about Shrey. He also says that they will be the leading brand and all others will fall at the wayside when there is room for everyone.
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Am I the only guy on this forum that wishes this argument was dead and buried? ???
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Am I the only guy on this forum that wishes this argument was dead and buried? ???
I thought it was :(
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I'm all for conflict, and enjoy these threads that get a bit spicy, and names get called, and people get riled. But for gawd's sake, this one is boring.... some-one call some-one a cheat, or a liar, or a fraud or something. This is all a bit tame and dull!
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Or lock it up, its not really doing anything is it?
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Or lock it up, its not really doing anything is it?
This.
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My issue with it is that it essentially repeats itself every 4-5 pages and there isn't really anything constructive being brought up or discussed anymore
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This can be easily sorted - get a shrey helmet, get a masuri helmet, attach a length rope to each one and then play what is essentially an expensive game of titanium grilled conkers until one of the helmets explodes. Declare the victorious helmet the best, everyone make friends, have a sandwich and a beer, lock the topic. Problem solved.