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Equipment => Your Kit => Topic started by: Majid_V3 on October 02, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
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I've purchased a few Kookaburra bats for myself nd for few club team mates. All the bat I got are very high quality bats perfect balance, great ping & at great price too.
Below are few pictures of Kookaburra bats onlinestockist has in stock at the moment.
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really very lush looking bats. Can anyone give me the phone number for Ajit and his personal email id. I have written emails to OLS on the email id on their website but did not get a reply. Any help will be highly appreciated.
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Dosta I've sent u a pm.
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nice bats, good clean grains
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Does he have any Blades?
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I think he has Kookaburra blades you can order through his website its listed on there.
Btw All the above bats are light to medium and edges 33/34mm on all.
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look nice bats shame bout the shiny bit on the front sticker
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i love that ricky ponting!!!! so frickin nice my get one off him!
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That ice sub 10 looks awesome !
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I've ordered some kookaburra RP pads nd gloves and one Ice sub10 and the beast not the one in this picture.
The kahuna mayhem i got few months earlier was amazingly good but it was bit 2 light 2.7lb few mates wanted to buy it so I sold it.
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How much is postage Majid? How long did the bats take to arrive?
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The delivery normally takes 5-6 working days. Postage is £11 for one bat & my bat took 4 days to arrive and if u buy bat/pad or gloves together u will save on postage costs. U can also calculate shipping costs on the website they have shipping estimate calculator.
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Thanks alot, that's convinced me!
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Could you please pm me the proper email address ? Cheers
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am i missing something here? what is different about this particular retailer? why are these bats so much better than the ones in shops? and cheaper? surely its all too good to be true?
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am i missing something here? what is different about this particular retailer? why are these bats so much better than the ones in shops? and cheaper? surely its all too good to be true?
They arent
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The Kookaburra bats are (No Swearing Please) in Australia!
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These Indian versions of Kookaburra bats I reckon are much better then the ones in the shop I've seen recently and the ones I bought the mayhem & sub 10 from India played better then few of my mates Kookaburra bat which were more expensive then the Indian ones.
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Surely they all come from the same factory mass producing cheap Indian bats, or are they sub sourced from an even cheaper factory?
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These bats are lot better then the plank(fake) bubber shers bats ur selling atm.
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SG have atleast 2 manufacturing units in India.
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SG have atleast 2 manufacturing units in India.
2 units for making the bats or one unit each for bats and soft goods?
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Surely they all come from the same factory mass producing cheap Indian bats, or are they sub sourced from an even cheaper factory?
The bats this guy is selling do not look fake as these have the holograms on them just like bats i saw at retailers in India (Hologram is a good idea by SS and SG/Kookaburra).
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My blank Maliks were bought from Mr Malik direct,as in one of the brothers who own and run MB Malik, however the bat he gave me was Shahid Afridi's match bat until he switched brands and will now be one of mine. I guess the difference is that you buy bats from a shop where I deal direct with the brands so you won't know that much but keep up the good work and who knows, one day you might want to keep the stickers on your bat rather than change them like the other children do.
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So does OnlineStockist he buys directly from factories and official kookaburra distributors in India.
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I would hope so, but my point is that if you want a top bat why would Kookaburra be the answer? I find the brand to produce poor to medium quality bats. Surely for the price of a RP you can get something to pee all over it made here to your exact specs.
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i always used kookaburras until now ... got myself a newbery gt / uzi and once youve gone newbery u never go back bery .. ?
craking bat top draw amzing ping amzing pick up and amzing grains !
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I will alway go for Kookaburra RP or SS bats, I think they are much better then custom made bats. I dont think there is
real need to waste time arranging with companies to get bats custom made by them as they only make similar quality to off the shelf bats with slightly better finish!! its just waste to time when u can buy top quality bats like, Kooka RP frm india SS platinum reserve gold ed etc for arnd £170 or lots of other Grade 1 bats for abt £100 or under.
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I work on the theory that a bat is bought to score runs,
Runs are scored by hitting the ball, more runs are scored by hitting the ball further,
To hit the ball further you need to have a bat that feels right and performs as good as possible,
The acts that make the bat perform are pressing, handle quality, handle fit and shape.
The pressing, handle quality and handle fitting are done far better here by a few firms (Not all) and shape can be altered with ease unlike stock shapes.
If this can be done for the same or less price then why buy Indian bats?
I can and will make you a bat for £150 that will outperform any Asian Bat you have, I could sell you the Malik if you want an incredible Asian bat....
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NEWBERY out of all the on-the-shelf bat makers is heads and shoulders above the rest!
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Its not to do with UK v Asia, it is that the aims of the companies are different. Some big UK firms have outsourced the production of bats and so the Asian market has competed to win this trade on price, starting to change now a bit. The remaining UK market has tried to improve its product to sit above on quality and price. The Asians will catch up and want to.
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I dont no about newbery bats but the kookaburra bats on the 1st page of this topic are pretty amazing bats.
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I dont no about newbery bats but the kookaburra bats on the 1st page of this topic are pretty amazing bats.
Held them then ?
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This debate is getting interesting.
I think no bat maker can make 100% top quality bats. There can be bats within their top range that may perform better than others and bats from a lower grade perform better than the top of the range.
The bat the best way to choose the bat is to go by the feel, pick-up and balance. Followed by ping and looks and lastly the brand. And while buying a bat online, you tend to focus more on the looks rather than the pick-up and feel.
I have owned and used a lot of bats (as most people on this forum will be well aware of). The 2 best bats I have got till now are the NB UZI C6+ (which I had to sell off as I did not like the feel of the C6 handle) and the other being my Kookaburra RP. Speaking very honestly, my off the shelf NB Uzi C6+ played and felt better than the custom made Newbery SPS bats . My Kahuna RP can take on any bat by a major UK / AUS or whereever bat maker in terms of feel, pick-up balance, ping and looks (though only 9 grains).
I feel the debate about UK vs Row is totally baseless and Indian and Pak companies make bats for loads and loads on international pros (probably more than NB and other major UK based bat companies put together). If the quality of these bats was poor why would pros use them?
Bats are meant to hit the ball further!!! yes, but it is not 100% dependent on the quality of the bat The guy hitting the ball has more important role in that. Also going by the recent CT games, I guess the game is about scoring runs and not just trying to clear boundary.
Every company has the right to make a few rubbish bats and its just an individuals luck if he gets given that rubbish.
One point I complete agree is that the Asia based batmakers need to learn the art of finishing their bats.
I think is someone is in a position to and sells quality bats for cheap, then we should respect him. Just because the bat is being sold cheap and is made in India or Pak does not i ply that the quality is poor.
Mike sells NB bats for very cheap (at trade price if I may say so) and maybe the guy at online stockist is doing the same. How they can do so? Is a question that can be best answered by the seller. As a buyer I am after the best bat, I can get and at the cheapest price.
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Interesting about the brands as why do we have loyalty to them? Some will be after the look and association with the sponsored players, some will know that a brand offers more bat for your money. When you get to make bats you see that some of the buying points are valid and some trash.
Willow plays well according to many factors, looks are not often one of them. Pressing is key, when the owner of a massive Asian brand tells me he will never be able to get his bats to play like the shop version of Newbery's that are stocked in one of his UK shops then you will know that despite what they may say publicly the truth is they know they are playing catch up. The reason for this? Pressing.
No Newbery/Salix/Warsop/GM player uses any other bat other than that brand as their bats are as good as they can be. The same cannot be said of GN, Slazenger, Puma, Kookaburra etc as their bats are not always good enough for the pro's. The Indian/Pakistani companies buy the majority of English willow so will have the upper hand on getting a quantity of quality clefts, but their pressing is not as good. I can say that with Afridi's match bat sat next to me, and it is as good as any Newbery etc I've ever had, but the standard is not as good as Newbery's standard.
Yash, what you think of the finish on Salix's Kashmir bat? I thought it was finished by Andrew as it was as good as any he has, but he says it was finished in India.
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i heard rumours than shane watson has his bat made by the head bat maker at GN?
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Most likely true as only international players can have a bench made bat at GM.
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Talisman Your so against Pak/Ind brands if your just on about pressing of the bats then I have had a £10 CA bats which have had amazing ping and lot better then more expensive GM & newberys. And you can buy £40/50 Asian bat English Willow which wont have the best pick up or balance but will ping as good as top English bats. The pressing on Asian bats in my opinion is better but unlike you saying Asian bats have poor pressing am not against English Bat I've seen Rana use newbery bats and hes totally smashed sixes.
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Talisman Your so against Pak/Ind brands if your just on about pressing of the bats then I have had a £10 CA bats which have had amazing ping and lot better then more expensive GM & newberys. And you can buy £40/50 Asian bat English Willow which wont have the best pick up or balance but will ping as good as top English bats. The pressing on Asian bats in my opinion is better but unlike you saying Asian bats have poor pressing am not against English Bat I've seen Rana use newbery bats and hes totally smashed sixes.
You chat soo much majid ! And invest in some english classes, your English & Grammar is shocking !
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I'm SOOOOOO NOT against them, why the hell would I be flying out to Pakistan in 2 weeks paid for by a Pakistani brand if I was against them?
Don't even think or waggling a racist or anti Asian finger in my direction as you will be making a prat of yourself.
The pressing of Asian brands if not as good, why? because they don't know how to press the toe hard without pressing the face hard and the same if they try to press the face softly. When you have these guys ringing you 4/5 times a day then I'll listen to you,
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You chat soo much majid ! And invest in some english classes, your English & Grammar is shocking !
Ur mum need English classes stay out of this u thick sado.
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Swearing equals ban, think about it.
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Interesting about the brands as why do we have loyalty to them? Some will be after the look and association with the sponsored players, some will know that a brand offers more bat for your money. When you get to make bats you see that some of the buying points are valid and some trash
Willow plays well according to many factors, looks are not often one of them. Pressing is key, when the owner of a massive Asian brand tells me he will never be able to get his bats to play like the shop version of Newbery's that are stocked in one of his UK shops then you will know that despite what they may say publicly the truth is they know they are playing catch up. The reason for this? Pressing.
No Newbery/Salix/Warsop/GM player uses any other bat other than that brand as their bats are as good as they can be. The same cannot be said of GN, Slazenger, Puma, Kookaburra etc as their bats are not always good enough for the pro's. The Indian/Pakistani companies buy the majority of English willow so will have the upper hand on getting a quantity of quality clefts, but their pressing is not as good. I can say that with Afridi's match bat sat next to me, and it is as good as any Newbery etc I've ever had, but the standard is not as good as Newbery's standard.
Yash, what you think of the finish on Salix's Kashmir bat? I thought it was finished by Andrew as it was as good as any he has, but he says it was finished in India.
Mike, I did not seen the KW bats from Salix. Maybe Andrew has given a good class to his supplier as to how to finish the bats.
The GM bats that Kamran Akmal and Bopara use are not made by GM...... if I am not mistaken Nasir Hussain used Warsop bats with GN stickers.... Anyway not a thing to be debated.
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for the record you are right, Nasser did use Warsop
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Akmal Uses a CA, Bopara Has warsop and you will be suprised that he pays for his bats and he has a few SS but loves his warsops.
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Im not suprised that he pays for his bats - many do. Many players are given bats for free, but once a player has a batmaker he/she likes, they are often more than happy to part with their cash for that service.
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Akmal Uses a CA, Bopara Has warsop and you will be suprised that he pays for his bats and he has a few SS but loves his warsops.
I pay for my bats to:))
i am sure Tony will not give him bats for free if he is going to use GM stickers on them and get paid for it.
If you see Akmal's bats you can easily make out they are not GM the profile is very different. Similarly for Watson.
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What about Trescothick, I'm sure I have heard said something about another batmaker doing some for him. Is he still GM?
As for Indian vs English, you get some players specifically requesting Indian made bats. Same for other guys who want specifically English made bats. It's horses for courses and I'd be suprised if there was one batmaker in particular who was the best. The ones I consistently hear referred by players though are SS, Kranzbuhler @ GN and Newbery.
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from what i have been told, he is extremely loyal to gm, very unlikely he has bats made elsewhere.
Unless of course you are just about to announce the next mongoose signing ;)
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bopara probs get them cheap tho, cook also uses warsop! so must pay.
Akmal is defo CA u can see the stamps when it goes in close and Grant Elliott uses bradbury with buzz stickers!
Pros May have bats from loads of bat makers and have their favourites
Also rumour has it that Kransbuhler makes bats for half of the aussie team!
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from what i have been told, he is extremely loyal to gm, very unlikely he has bats made elsewhere.
Unless of course you are just about to announce the next mongoose signing ;)
Nahh not Mongoose. Was thinking a certain South Westerly based batmaker.
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have to wait and see on that one - i know he has used said batmakers bats, but im sure he still sticks with his gm's - regardless, he will get the best of the best because he damn well deserves it!!!
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i heard that he used to use millichamps stickered a GM's, but i don't think he does anymore as the profiles are very different....
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tresco is very loyal to GM. I've seen him use GM bats all my life. If he started out with them when he was a young kid and broke into the county team, he would be using their bats because that all he would know (tell me if i am wrong though!).
I think the reason why players like Bopara and Akmal use Warsop and CA is because they started out with them and like the bats of the respective batmakers. Why would they risk changing batmakers if they have been given 'perfect' bats all this time?
And please, do not turn this into a racist thing. Batmaking started out in England. What the English batmakers have learnt over half a millennium or so cannot be replicated by the Asian batmakers. For now at least. They have done well to copy the batmaking techniques but the bats are nothing like English made ones.
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Tresco started life using M&H, then swapped to GM, uses purely GM but has something special for nets....
Bopara started using Warsop, then swapped to GM, uses only GM.
Some people have not read my earlier post very well, the guys using GM, Newbery, Salix, Warsop stickers will always have a matching bat under them. Not so for others, this to me is a mark of them being secure in the knowledge that their bats will not be bettered elsewhere.
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Ok, Tresco apparently ordered 10 from one company earlier this year. Are they the ones for nets?
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They were for other players, he kept one for himself if my memory serves me right.
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If you look I think Bopara uses obvs not totally off the shelf, but its im pretty sure that its the Icon shape.
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This debate is getting interesting.
I think no bat maker can make 100% top quality bats. There can be bats within their top range that may perform better than others and bats from a lower grade perform better than the top of the range.
The bat the best way to choose the bat is to go by the feel, pick-up and balance. Followed by ping and looks and lastly the brand. And while buying a bat online, you tend to focus more on the looks rather than the pick-up and feel.
I have owned and used a lot of bats (as most people on this forum will be well aware of). The 2 best bats I have got till now are the NB UZI C6+ (which I had to sell off as I did not like the feel of the C6 handle) and the other being my Kookaburra RP. Speaking very honestly, my off the shelf NB Uzi C6+ played and felt better than the custom made Newbery SPS bats . My Kahuna RP can take on any bat by a major UK / AUS or whereever bat maker in terms of feel, pick-up balance, ping and looks (though only 9 grains).
I feel the debate about UK vs Row is totally baseless and Indian and Pak companies make bats for loads and loads on international pros (probably more than NB and other major UK based bat companies put together). If the quality of these bats was poor why would pros use them?
Bats are meant to hit the ball further!!! yes, but it is not 100% dependent on the quality of the bat The guy hitting the ball has more important role in that. Also going by the recent CT games, I guess the game is about scoring runs and not just trying to clear boundary.
Every company has the right to make a few rubbish bats and its just an individuals luck if he gets given that rubbish.
One point I complete agree is that the Asia based batmakers need to learn the art of finishing their bats.
I think is someone is in a position to and sells quality bats for cheap, then we should respect him. Just because the bat is being sold cheap and is made in India or Pak does not i ply that the quality is poor.
Mike sells NB bats for very cheap (at trade price if I may say so) and maybe the guy at online stockist is doing the same. How they can do so? Is a question that can be best answered by the seller. As a buyer I am after the best bat, I can get and at the cheapest price.
Yash, whats ur review on BAS Millenium bats you got few months back ??
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The Millennium and Hammer bats from BAS are very good and the finishing is nice too. I have taken a liking for bats with a mid middle so did not use my millennium much this season. But they are top stuff.
I would rate the BAS bats better than SS for quality and at par or slightly better than Kookaburra or other smaller UK brands in terms of quality and finishing.
The biggest plus for BAS is that their bats are £30-£70 cheaper for bat with similar quality willow
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They are Indian spec Kooks, not UK or Oz spec......hence the price.......still a bargain but you wont get the same quality as you would from a UK/Oz spec!
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The Millennium and Hammer bats from BAS are very good and the finishing is nice too. I have taken a liking for bats with a mid middle so did not use my millennium much this season. But they are top stuff.
I would rate the BAS bats better than SS for quality and at par or slightly better than Kookaburra or other smaller UK brands in terms of quality and finishing.
The biggest plus for BAS is that their bats are £30-£70 cheaper for bat with similar quality willow
I agree with Yash that BAS bats are better value for money.
Regards
Asad
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I would rate the BAS bats better than SS for quality and at par or slightly better than Kookaburra or other smaller UK brands in terms of quality and finishing.
I hate it when I see generalisations like this.... Which other smaller UK brands are you referring to when you say "in terms of quality and finishing"
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I hate it when I see generalizations like this.... Which other smaller UK brands are you referring to when you say "in terms of quality and finishing"
There are a handful of them, but that is my opinion having seen their bats. I do not feel it is necessary for me to name them here.
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They are Indian spec Kooks, not UK or Oz spec......hence the price.......still a bargain but you wont get the same quality as you would from a UK/Oz spec!
Are you 100% sure?
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They are Indian spec Kooks, not UK or Oz spec......hence the price.......still a bargain but you wont get the same quality as you would from a UK/Oz spec!
Regardless of specs , the EW should still be the same ?
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There are a handful of them, but that is my opinion having seen their bats. I do not feel it is necessary for me to name them here.
Well if you don't want to name don't generalise!
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you beat me to it norb - i am also interested to see which brands you include in this poorer quality and finish in comparison to the BAS bats?
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement, just interested in your answer
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Well if you don't want to name don't generalise!
Kippax and Hunts to start with
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to start with.... I'll wait for more...
Not seen a Kippax so can't comment really,
Seen loads of Hunts though the one's you are refering are they made in the UK or India
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Seen a few Kippax last season, LE's were finished nice and looked very nice bats, but lower down the scale finishing was poor
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to start with.... I'll wait for more...
Not seen a Kippax so can't comment really,
Seen loads of Hunts though the one's you are refering are they made in the UK or India
seen a few custom series bats (Triumph, Glory and one more cannot recall the name) which are made in the UK (at least HC claim that their top of the range bats are made in the UK)
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Kippax and Hunts to start with
based on ?
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seen a few custom series bats (Triumph, Glory and one more cannot recall the name) which are made in the UK (at least HC claim that their top of the range bats are made in the UK)
So not all Hunts County bats?
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So not all Hunts County bats?
yes not all their bats (can not go to check all their bats, just had a look at 3 retailers) but more than 50% (3 out of the 5 they do and these 3 are the higher selling ones)of their range and their top of the range bats....
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based on ?
based on price vs quality of willow and the finishing
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So what do you say to Hunts when you place your order for cricket bats ? What do you request ?
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I do not buy from Hunts
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I do not buy from Hunts
So you buy Hunts bats elsewhere ?
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i have never been a fan of Hunts bats.... I do not buy them either from |Hunts or anyone else. Have seen their stocks at some retailers and at the trade show and hence my opinion
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3 out of 5 is 60% by the way
Which Trade Show? I'm sure that at a trade show they wouldn't have a poorly finished bats of poor quality willow.... If that was the case people wouldn't ask to take show bats as samples...
What's up with Kippax?
Also who else as you said, "to start with" ?
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Norb, 60% is more than 50% right?
Do you have a problem with me expressing my personal opinion on the forum? If I feel HC and Kippax are not at par with some brand on some parameters, then thats it.
You have right to your opinion and I have right to mine. The last time I read my history books, Britain was still a democratic country giving freedom of speak and express!!
If you have something personal, PM me or call me and we will chat.
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Norb, 60% is more than 50% right?
Do you have a problem with me expressing my personal opinion on the forum? If I feel HC and Kippax are not at par with some brand on some parameters, then thats it.
You have right to your opinion and I have right to mine. The last time I read my history books, Britain was still a democratic country giving freedom of speak and express!!
If you have something personal, PM me or call me and we will chat.
Sounds like SS will only sell through their 2 appointed agents. (but you can still get the round handle options from India but not the Oval)
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yep 50% is more then 60% but 3 out of 5 is bang on 60% and I'm an engineer so I cant see why you cant just state 60% [but that's just me]
The rest of your reply.
You miss the whole point of forums and democracy as it allows me freedom of speech as well
You stated your opinion, opening it the forum.... I replied saying it was a generalisation and quizzed you further...
Then strangley, to pm you if I have something personal to say. Not sure what made you think that as I was questioning you about brands worse the BDM in finish and quality and we/I got stuck on Hunts. I didn't say anything personal
Anyways way off topic now
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Yash, can you please put pics of your BAS Millenium and Hammer if you have ?? BAS has become my fav brand from all prospectives.
thanks
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I'm lovin the Hunts Triumph 2009 Special Model. Spine me up !!!
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Yash, can you please put pics of your BAS Millenium and Hammer if you have ?? BAS has become my fav brand from all prospectives.
thanks
my bats are not in the best of condition to give a idea of the willow and quality. Will ask Asad to post a few pictures.
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Sounds like SS will only sell through their 2 appointed agents. (but you can still get the round handle options from India but not the Oval)
I bought bats from VKS last season and they had round handles.....
i will have SS and from the right channels. . .
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Hunts range looks awful, dated and poor design of stickers and shapes, mostly Indian imports and have being going down the drain for a number of years, can clearly remember when they were spoken of as the best bats going. I have had direct dealings with Kippax and it is a case of barge poles I'm afraid.
Any SS bats not bought from either ICC or VKS will not be covered by any warranty or guarantee in the UK.
I have not seen a BAS yet that made me want to buy it, but have seen bucket loads of quality SS.
What on earth will be different on a Onlinestockist Kookaburra RP than an English one? Nothing in my opinion save the price, both unremarkable £60 bats sold for a lot more because RP himself uses the same stickers.
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MIike you will not have to travel far to see the BAS bats, Asad has got some really lovely bats from Bas in the past couple of months.
Heard Kippax has gone into administration. Is this right? They were doing bats for Smasher and Shark cricket amongst other right?
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Any SS bats not bought from either ICC or VKS will not be covered by any warranty or guarantee in the UK.
I will get mine through the right and legitimate channels. NO back door imports on grey marketing. I rather not sell than doing hanky-panky business
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Then you will be buying from shops I guess as ICC only sell to the trade....
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i was told that ss make bas bats is this true
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Hunts range looks awful, dated and poor design of stickers and shapes, mostly Indian imports and have being going down the drain for a number of years, can clearly remember when they were spoken of as the best bats going.
are they still making soft toes with minimal quality control.... Were they at the Lords trade show?
saying that I saw BDM last year and wasn't overly impressed with them either.
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I agree with Yash that BAS bats are better value for money.
Regards
Asad
Asad, whats difference in Willow quality or Willow Grading between BAS Millenium LE and BOW LE you know of ??
thanks
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P.S Sorry my question is coming out from not have any connection to this topic.
Talisman/someone, as a bat maker if you could tell me what is actuall willow grading ?? I know good bat makers get different grades of willow and then further grade its self. How is that being done ?? Does grading make willow quality better in its performance/density ???
thanks
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i was told that ss make bas bats is this true
This is rubbish. Who told you this? BAS have their own factories in Jalandhar in North India.
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Then you will be buying from shops I guess as ICC only sell to the trade....
Lukey Sports will have trade account one of the appointed distributors.
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P.S Sorry my question is coming out from not have any connection to this topic.
Talisman/someone, as a bat maker if you could tell me what is actuall willow grading ?? I know good bat makers get different grades of willow and then further grade its self. How is that being done ?? Does grading make willow quality better in its performance/density ???
thanks
every company has a different grading system. Some have a very simple grading system like Newbery (SPS, Players and 5*) or Salix (Grade One and Performance), others have very elaborate ones 250, 500, 750, 1000.....
It is not necessary that grade 1 willow will play like grade 1 (as the primary grading is done based on the grain structure, weight of the cleft etc). Anything with blemishes or heartwood is graded lower. Often bats with heartwood and butterfly marks play at par or better than some grade 1's. Bats with Heartwood will not last as long as bats made from sapwood and bats with tighter grains will have a shorter life as compared with broad grains bats thought they will play better faster. Some G1 bats from GN (pro performance) have not the most good looking willow but play quite well (probably grading is based on the performance rather than looks)
Mike or Norb can give you more info than me.
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Hunts range looks awful, dated and poor design of stickers and shapes, mostly Indian imports and have being going down the drain for a number of years, can clearly remember when they were spoken of as the best bats going. I have had direct dealings with Kippax and it is a case of barge poles I'm afraid.
Any SS bats not bought from either ICC or VKS will not be covered by any warranty or guarantee in the UK.
I have not seen a BAS yet that made me want to buy it, but have seen bucket loads of quality SS.
What on earth will be different on a Onlinestockist Kookaburra RP than an English one? Nothing in my opinion save the price, both unremarkable £60 bats sold for a lot more because RP himself uses the same stickers.
Few corrections to ur email:
SS bought from us will be covered by SS gurantee as well as ours. All our bats are shipped to us direct from the SS factory.
Regarding BAS bats, may be u could visit me and I'll show you the Quality and finish on the bats. In my view they are as good as SS bats if u compare on the same price band.
Regards
Asad
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i am visiting the B.A.S factory in about 10 days ,i will get some pictures and post them when i am back
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Here r the few pics:
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Mill_2.jpg)
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Mill_1.jpg)
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Hammer_1.jpg)
Regards
Asad
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P.S Sorry my question is coming out from not have any connection to this topic.
Talisman/someone, as a bat maker if you could tell me what is actually willow grading ?? I know good bat makers get different grades of willow and then further grade its self. How is that being done ?? Does grading make willow quality better in its performance/density ???
thanks
Generally JS Wrights grading system is used, which you probably know. This allows a high percentage to grade based on the "MGS" [money grading system] if it looks good sell high...
There is no standard grading system within the cricket bat industry you could be sold a beaut of bat that is an absolute dog to play with because of the manufacturering process and an ugly looking bat that is excellent because it has been made well....
In general though MGS is used this is not a new phenomeon though...
Close grained red willow was favoured by W. G. Grace and others for its superior driving powers and mammoth hits. By the end of of the 1800s the fashion had shifted to almost all white wood cricket bats this had no real foundation other then from the salesmans point of view a white bat probably ‘looked’ better in a sports shop window. This inturn lead to willow hybrids and “Salix Alba Caerulea”.
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SS have taken the step of only selling their bats into the UK via their agent the Incredible Cricket Company who will sell to the retail outlets or direct from VKS as they have such a long history dealing with SS. They will not be sending any more bats to UK, or why go to such lengths to set up the whole deal.
Where are Lukey Sports based as cannot see it anywhere on the internet or any records?
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Preston. cricketequipment4u.co.uk
new website being designed under lukey's Sports name.
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SS have taken the step of only selling their bats into the UK via their agent the Incredible Cricket Company who will sell to the retail outlets or direct from VKS as they have such a long history dealing with SS. They will not be sending any more bats to UK, or why go to such lengths to set up the whole deal.
Where are Lukey Sports based as cannot see it anywhere on the internet or any records?
are both VKS and Incredible Cricket Company the authorized distributors? I thought ICCo was the sole distributor for UK and Europe?
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Here r the few pics:
thanks Asad, do you notice any difference in grading in between these and BAS BOW LE ??
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SS have taken the step of only selling their bats into the UK via their agent the Incredible Cricket Company who will sell to the retail outlets or direct from VKS as they have such a long history dealing with SS. They will not be sending any more bats to UK, or why go to such lengths to set up the whole deal.
Where are Lukey Sports based as cannot see it anywhere on the internet or any records?
I am not sure if it is correct that SS will not be sending any more bats to UK.
The range they are supplying to ICC is completely different to what is being supplied to other retailers.
Regards
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VKS have permission as a shop to sell SS that they buy direct. Everyone else must buy from ICC or they will have to buy grey stock without SS backup.
The range is limited to allow people to know what stock is UK and what is not.
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Here r the few pics:
thanks Asad, do you notice any difference in grading in between these and BAS BOW LE ??
Yes the BAS Millenium are specially selected hence a little difference in the price.
The grading is same across all the LE range.
Regards
Asad
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VKS have permission as a shop to sell SS that they buy direct. Everyone else must buy from ICC or they will have to buy grey stock without SS backup.
The range is limited to allow people to know what stock is UK and what is not.
I think the deal was that any new reatiler have to buy from ICC. SS will carry on supplying to the reatilers they used to supply.
The range stocked by VKS is not the same as ICC so How do we know what stock is UK and what is not
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I was told that VKS were the only ones with a concession.
I'll be honest and say that I had talks with regard to setting up the agency but thought that too many would import as they do at the moment and so passed on it.
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I was told that VKS were the only ones with a concession.
I'll be honest and say that I had talks with regard to setting up the agency but thought that too many would import as they do at the moment and so passed on it.
I was offered the same but didn't take it for the same reasons
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Here r the few pics:
([url]http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Mill_2.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Mill_1.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/BAS_Hammer_1.jpg[/url])
Regards
Asad
awesome bats probably the best BAS bats I've seen.
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all edge and no spine!
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all edge and no spine!
enough spine for the ball to be sent out of the ground! It's the angle of the photographs. Asad please higher a professional photographer if you want to post pic of your bats on the forum :) ;)
these bats have a slightly fuller back and hence the spine looks small, a bit of concaving like on the Uzi or the Icon DMX and they will have as good a spine as any other bat, but imo it may take the punch off it....
Any batmakers would like to comment on this
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All hail BAS, willow quality looks good, certainly the ones Asad showed me at his house were top notch.
Must be great having family at BAS though Yash, you need to get them to do a forum special edition bat.
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All hail BAS, willow quality looks good, certainly the ones Asad showed me at his house were top notch.
Must be great having family at BAS though Yash, you need to get them to do a forum special edition bat.
We can do a CB Spl Ed bat (from the blank BAS bats), but not to be asked "How much will the postage be to ....." or haggling on the prices.
IMO, BAS is a he best value for money, what do you think? The quality of the willow is very good, finishing is good and the bats play well
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enough spine for the ball to be sent out of the ground! It's the angle of the photographs. Asad please higher a professional photographer if you want to post pic of your bats on the forum :) ;)
these bats have a slightly fuller back and hence the spine looks small, a bit of concaving like on the Uzi or the Icon DMX and they will have as good a spine as any other bat, but imo it may take the punch off it....
Any batmakers would like to comment on this
I am a batmaker so all edge and no spine... , maybe the willow cleft leads them into making shapes like that....
Concaving will not make a blind bit of difference if the willow cleft is sawn / split in a certain way so that only an heavy edge bat can be made
edit: No need to hire a professional photograher
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I am a batmaker so all edge and no spine... , maybe the willow cleft leads them into making shapes like that....
Concaving will not make a blind bit of difference if the willow cleft is sawn / split in a certain way so that only an heavy edge bat can be made
edit: No need to hire a professional photograher
I am not a bat maker so will probably take ur word for it.
How should a cleft be cut to get a higher spine? If you haev pictures that will help.
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maybe they buy handmade mens clefts from wrights ,they are almost have the price of a grade 1 cleft......
a handmade cleft can still be a belter , but most will have the spine missing or a split/chunk missing somewhere on the cleft
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([url]http://twitpic.com/kdpz4[/url])
??? missed something Norb???
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Maybe Matt I know there is a taste for those types of orders....
sorry about the link but only way I could do it
http://twitpic.com/kdpz4 (http://twitpic.com/kdpz4)
http://twitpic.com/jyfx8 (http://twitpic.com/jyfx8) [Some of the nicest willow I've seen and it was still green]
Yash as above you should take a bit more interest in the raw material if you are looking to supply via www.SSBatsviaLukeyCricket.com (http://www.SSBatsviaLukeyCricket.com)
Asad incidently nice grain on BAS
- I've got nothing against BAS but just exercising my democratic rights to have an opinion ;)
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maybe they buy handmade mens clefts from wrights ,they are almost have the price of a grade 1 cleft......
a handmade cleft can still be a belter , but most will have the spine missing or a split/chunk missing somewhere on the cleft
What is a handmade cleft? Whats the diff? if they are inferior to G1 clefts, why r they same in price?Is it possible/normal to get these in 100's or 1000's? are these made on purpose?
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Those clefts look familiar :) was that the grade 1,2,3 or velums????
Big looking clefts aswell, should be able to make pretty much any shape with those!
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the forklift looks familiar....
The handmade mens clefts need to be cleaned up by hand, hence the name ,wrights grade them down for a reason there not stupid ,prob ok for harrow bats
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Maybe Matt I know there is a taste for those types of orders....
sorry about the link but only way I could do it
[url]http://twitpic.com/kdpz4[/url] ([url]http://twitpic.com/kdpz4[/url])
[url]http://twitpic.com/jyfx8[/url] ([url]http://twitpic.com/jyfx8[/url]) [Some of the nicest willow I've seen and it was still green]
Yash as above you should take a bit more interest in the raw material if you are looking to supply via [url=http://www.SSBatsviaLukeyCricket.com]www.SSBatsviaLukeyCricket.com[/url] ([url]http://www.SSBatsviaLukeyCricket.com[/url])
Asad incidently nice grain on BAS
- I've got nothing against BAS but just exercising my democratic rights to have an opinion ;)
So these are the clefts which you say will haev all edge and no spine?
what is that last link about?
I am all for people exercising their democratic rights :) ;)
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no, these are big clefts - big enough to make a SillyShillySuperSixSmasher
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Those clefts look familiar :) was that the grade 1,2,3 or velums????
Big looking clefts aswell, should be able to make pretty much any shape with those!
I know the site manager worked hard to get them in. real nice clefts some stunner and still green like I said! Going to look at them when they are ready I got promised them for peanuts as I wax ended them but the buffoon I was with will probably deny it.... ;)
Yash you or your mate need to blag a catalogue from JS Wrights if you have to ask that question...
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Yash the one the bench is a vellum cleft and I was getting it ready to splice and shape up for a prototype T20 bat.
The one's in the wood yard are freshly split clefts still with a high percentage of water and excellent for shaping..
Both pic show you, as you asked, a proper split cleft
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i am visiting the B.A.S factory in about 10 days ,i will get some pictures and post them when i am back
do you grade willow further after getting from JS ?
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do you grade willow further after getting from JS ?
I think every manufacturer does...
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Interesting about the brands as why do we have loyalty to them? Some will be after the look and association with the sponsored players, some will know that a brand offers more bat for your money. When you get to make bats you see that some of the buying points are valid and some trash.
Willow plays well according to many factors, looks are not often one of them. Pressing is key, when the owner of a massive Asian brand tells me he will never be able to get his bats to play like the shop version of Newbery's that are stocked in one of his UK shops then you will know that despite what they may say publicly the truth is they know they are playing catch up. The reason for this? Pressing.
No Newbery/Salix/Warsop/GM player uses any other bat other than that brand as their bats are as good as they can be. The same cannot be said of GN, Slazenger, Puma, Kookaburra etc as their bats are not always good enough for the pro's. The Indian/Pakistani companies buy the majority of English willow so will have the upper hand on getting a quantity of quality clefts, but their pressing is not as good. I can say that with Afridi's match bat sat next to me, and it is as good as any Newbery etc I've ever had, but the standard is not as good as Newbery's standard.
Yash, what you think of the finish on Salix's Kashmir bat? I thought it was finished by Andrew as it was as good as any he has, but he says it was finished in India.
Gatting using what looks like a SS stickered Newbery today for Sussex. I would say many players buy for convenience.
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I have the other 2 from the batch of 4 here, not great looking willow but the ball will whistle off them.
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Did he get them shipped over from SS rather than using English mades? I would've though that it would have just been a case of him seeing one in India and picking it up, interesting if not.
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I have not seen what he used today but he had 2 made for the competition 10 days ago, it should have been 4 to choose from but 2 were made to a standard shape from light clefts and both weigh 2.2, was tapping a ball on one earlier and its a little diamond. I might be wrong but I guess the competition allows players to use what they want kit wise for an extra pay day on top of their existing deal which is understandable as he does not get paid by Newbery.
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It looked like an SS, had the whole branding thing going on which was pretty poorly covered up. Were the 4 he had made from SS or were they Newbery's?
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Newbery
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hodd was using an Ton, so maybe, just as they are in india?
I haven't fully read the last bit on the topic so that may not fit in!?
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I've purchased a few Kookaburra bats for myself nd for few club team mates. All the bat I got are very high quality bats perfect balance, great ping & at great price too.
Below are few pictures of Kookaburra bats onlinestockist has in stock at the moment.
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([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00060.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00062.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00144.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00140.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00140.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00142.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/DSC00143.jpg[/url])
could u plz tell me ur personal email id and ur ph. no.
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You've forgotten inside leg measurement.
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SG have atleast 2 manufacturing units in India.
can u give me the no. of the online stocktst , i want to buy kookaburra bat from them
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can u give me the no. of the online stocktst , i want to buy kookaburra bat from them
Yes I can.
Can you confirm the delivery address when you are happy with the selected purchases ?