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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Aussie In England on June 02, 2015, 04:52:48 PM
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Two match Test series starts tomorrow in Dominica.
Big story ahead of the series was that the ageless Shivnarine Chanderpaul has been axed, 70 off runs short of surpassing Brian Lara as West Indies highest run scorer. Lara himself wasn't very amused by the decision.
For Australia, veteran opener Chris Rogers - whos career will end after the Ashes - is ruled out after suffered concussion after being hit on that head in the nets. So Rogers has a maximum 6 Tests left in his career.
That aside Shaun Marsh will open with Davy Warner. Steven Smith has been anointed at the new number 3. There are potential debuts for either Adam Voges or Fawad Ahmed dependant on pitch conditions.
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Interesting that voges 35 and Ahmed 33 aren't considered too old to debut. It's great knowing that the selectors appear set to pick whomever is in form rather than picking young players that aren't ready.
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Interesting to see if Smith can keep up his amazing form given that teams have had a bit of time to work out a plan to him.
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This is my evenings sorted for the next couple of weeks then! Have Australia gone with the ashes squad to the WI or have they rested a few?
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It's the Ashes squad.
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Be interesting to see how the Aussies go against spin. Expecting the tracks to turn.
Chanderpaul deserved a last series, embarrassing stuff from Clive Lloyd
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I'm disappointed that there's been indications that Voges will debut ahead of Ahmed.
Ahmed was among the best bowlers in the domestic season, bowled well in the tour match and the track looks like it will take well to the spinners. Surely this is as good a chance as any to give him a crack and especially with the Ashes coming up it'd be handy have a leggie with good test match practice.
And going into the test a batter short might put our top order under the pump a bit but that could only be good experience in the long run?
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I'm disappointed that there's been indications that Voges will debut ahead of Ahmed.
Ahmed was among the best bowlers in the domestic season, bowled well in the tour match and the track looks like it will take well to the spinners. Surely this is as good a chance as any to give him a crack and especially with the Ashes coming up it'd be handy have a leggie with good test match practice.
And going into the test a batter short might put our top order under the pump a bit but that could only be good experience in the long run?
Maybe they don't want to show him to the English too early
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I'm disappointed that there's been indications that Voges will debut ahead of Ahmed.
Ahmed was among the best bowlers in the domestic season, bowled well in the tour match and the track looks like it will take well to the spinners. Surely this is as good a chance as any to give him a crack and especially with the Ashes coming up it'd be handy have a leggie with good test match practice.
And going into the test a batter short might put our top order under the pump a bit but that could only be good experience in the long run?
Voges also had a good shield season and rightly deserves his spot if chosen.
However like you I'd like to see Ahmed play and bowl well.
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Maybe they don't want to show him to the English too early
Aus obviously cribbing from the Rashid approach...
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Adam Voges, at the tender age of 35, has been handed Baggy Green cap number 442. He's the eleventh oldest man to debut for Australia.
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Adam Voges, at the tender age of 35, has been handed Baggy Green cap number 442. He's the eleventh oldest man to debut for Australia.
where are the young batsman in Aus? :o
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where are the young batsman in Aus? :o
To be honest Voges has earned his place. He scored bucket loads for Western Australia. And it's similar to the Rogers selection in 2013. We need experience in English conditions.
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Playing for Warwickshire...
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Anyway West Indies won the toss and selected to bat. Two changes for the home side Shane Dowrich debuts(replacing chanderpaul) and bishoo for permaul.
For Australia Voges, Starc and Watson are in.
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West Indies made a hash of their first innings. They reached 1/63, before collapsing to 148 all out. 3 wickets for the impressive Josh Hazlewood, 3 also for Mitch Johnson, a couple for Mitch Starc(who was pretty lively) and 1 a piece for Lyon and Smith.
Australia's reply didn't start off too well either, Davy Warner falling early to Jerome Taylor. Shaun Marsh and Steven Smith looked to be developing a partnership when Marsh fell to Jason Holder. Then Michael Clarke fell to leg spinner Devendra Bishoo.
Smith and debutant Voges currently together.
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This is developing into another exciting game of test cricket.
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where are the young batsman in Aus? :o
Plenty around but thankfully they are just picking guy's on form, not just potential.
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where are the young batsman in Aus? :o
I've got no problem with selectors picking guys with sustained form rather than flash in pan form. Doesn't matter what their birth certificate says.
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Surprise Surprise the aussies are struggling against spin.
Brilliant bowling from bishoo, laughable how long they played people like benn
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Surprise Surprise the aussies are struggling against spin.
Brilliant bowling from bishoo, laughable how long they played people like benn
Good jobs you Poms haven't got any spinners then is it!
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Voges scored Ton in the debut match. Bishoo running through the order.
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I'm disappointed that there's been indications that Voges will debut ahead of Ahmed.
Ahmed was among the best bowlers in the domestic season, bowled well in the tour match and the track looks like it will take well to the spinners. Surely this is as good a chance as any to give him a crack and especially with the Ashes coming up it'd be handy have a leggie with good test match practice.
And going into the test a batter short might put our top order under the pump a bit but that could only be good experience in the long run?
Is there anyway to delete an earlier comment? Haha, well batted Voges!!!!!!!
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I can't see us playing 2 spinners anywhere at the moment with our seamers going so well so it's always going to be between Lyon and Ahmed, I am so glad Voges got rewarded for a massive shield season, one of the nice guy's of cricket.
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A quite brilliant debut innings by Adam Voges. Marshalled the tail in a Michael Hussey manner. Crucial innings for Australia and a moment in Voges' career that looked like never happening.
Dev Bishoo bowled really nicely and if West Indies have selected a second spinner they may well have skittled Australia for under 150.
Go work by Johnson and Starc to snare the openers. Looking likely as an innings victory.
Interesting fact both Adam Voges and Luke Ronchi made their WA debuts In the same match, and now some 12 years later they make their Test debuts 5 days apart.
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Clinical win, Harris may not get back in if the bowlers keep producing like this. Crickets a funny game but if you go on form only England should get trounced this ashes series.
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This pitch looks lively!!!
Aussie two down already. Wouldn't wanna face johnson and stark on here mind!
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Samules stickering up a bat as an SG.
Clarke lucky to survive with a no ball call
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Bishoo takes a shed load of wickets in the first test and had the Aussies stuggling to play him so they drop him from the 2nd test....
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Bishoo takes a shed load of wickets in the first test and had the Aussies stuggling to play him so they drop him from the 2nd test....
He has a finger injury
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Bishop has a bruised finger or he'd be in.
Samuel injured and no chanderpaul for experience. This could be a short test match too.
Clarke and smith digging in.... ish. Big six from clarke earlier.
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Run machine smith continues on. Decent 100 in testing conditions early on.
West Indies looking mediocre in this series
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So I've been away since the end of the last Test, but something's don't change. Steven Smith continues to relentlessly pile up the runs. Kid is unbelievable.
Jerome Taylor has also been outstanding. Pity that the rest of the West Indies attack is dreadful.
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8/350 at lunch on day 2. Steven Smith 175* edging towards a maiden double century.
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Steven Smith out for 199! The third Australian after Elliott and Waugh to get 199. Great innings shame he didn't get 200.
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44-4 wise not to play chanderpaul now
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Close of day 2
West Indies 8/143 and in disarray. Jermaine Blackwood top scored with 51, but played a ridiculous shot 10 minutes from the close and gave his wicket away.
3 wickets a piece for Hazlewood(he was fantastic) and Lyon. 1 a piece of the two Mitchell's.
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West Indies avoid the follow on.
Some lovely hitting from holder, smashing the Aussies around the park. Really should be batting higher.
Shame no one else stuck around.
Long way behind still
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Clarke with the big declaration.
Start two wickets in already!!!
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Lyon and Starc bowling very well
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Josh Hazlewood has sealed his starting berth for the Ashes series. He's bowled really well on these docile pitches. Seems as though the attack will be Harris, Hazlewood and Johnson/Starc.
Steven Smith was in regal form in the second dig and continues to score runs by the truck load.
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Let's see if Smiths regal form continues on an overcast morning when Anderson is swinging it around corners.
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Let's see if Smiths regal form continues on an overcast morning when Anderson is swinging it around corners.
You better hope not... Let's not forget the formidable Aussie bowling attack at the moment... The English batsmen will be in church every Sunday leading up to the Ashes series praying for a miracle
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.....and so it begins! :)
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Let's see if Smiths regal form continues on an overcast morning when Anderson is swinging it around corners.
Last time I remember Anderson bowling in the Ashes, all he was doing was swinging it into the middle of Bailey's bat...
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You better hope not... Let's not forget the formidable Aussie bowling attack at the moment... The English batsmen will be in church every Sunday leading up to the Ashes series praying for a miracle
You mean praying for Harris to break, starc to break, johnson to become the bowler of 2010/11, clarkes back to go, warner to get all punchy and hole out game after game.... England have a lot of praying to do
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I'm only worried about Harris.
Johnson has a poor record in England and the pitches won't suit him, difficult to bully batsman on a featherbed. Starc and Hazelwood look to be getting better at test level all the time. Lyon is steady, but exclude Harris and I don't think there is much difference in the bowling attacks. England have more batting depth but less quality, then again playing at home evens things up.
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Johnson looks nothing like the threat he was in the ashes. Smashed in the home series vs India, didn't have a great World Cup/ipl pay day and now this series. Looks down on pace, swing and accuracy. But the psychological factor will be massive.
Hazlewood is going to be a massive threat in English conditions.
Harris hasn't played so it's risky selecting him.
Still think the Aussie bowling line up is a massive threat but they've made a massive mistake not selecting pattinson ahead of siddle.
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Johnson looks nothing like the threat he was in the ashes. Smashed in the home series vs India, didn't have a great World Cup/ipl pay day and now this series. Looks down on pace, swing and accuracy. But the psychological factor will be massive.
Hazlewood is going to be a massive threat in English conditions.
Harris hasn't played so it's risky selecting him.
Still think the Aussie bowling line up is a massive threat but they've made a massive mistake not selecting pattinson ahead of siddle.
Jimmy Pattinson is injury so couldn't be selected. Siddle will be the drinks carrier no more. And Harris is second only to Steyn, so when he's fit he always plays.
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I'm pretty sure Harris is out for the West Indies tests to be home for the birth of his child. He should be cherry ripe for the ashes. My guess would be Harris, hazelwood, Johnson and Lyon to be the preferred attack.
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I'm only worried about Harris.
Johnson has a poor record in England and the pitches won't suit him, difficult to bully batsman on a featherbed. Starc and Hazelwood look to be getting better at test level all the time. Lyon is steady, but exclude Harris and I don't think there is much difference in the bowling attacks. England have more batting depth but less quality, then again playing at home evens things up.
I'm not so sure about batting depth. England can't seem to settle on a consistent, reliable line up yet, Aus are batting to 11 with not 1 bunny in the team
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.....and so it begins! :)
Yep as always before an Ashes series Aussies bigging there team up.
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Results on the board
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Results on the board
Yes same as in the UK in 2005 2009 and 2013.
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Yes same as in the UK in 2005 2009 and 2013.
Are you really suggesting England are a better team and in better form than the Aussies are at the moment? Nice selective memory by the way.
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What i an saying is that all things considered inc UK playing conditions no matter how the Aussie team is bigged up the teams are not that far apart.
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What i an saying is that all things considered inc UK playing conditions no matter how the Aussie team is bigged up the teams are not that far apart.
Teams aren't too far apart? The English attack is pedestrian. You've got no spinner. Your numbers 3 and 4 are walking wickets.
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As I said Aussies talking as though they have won the series before a ball is bowled as they did in 2005 2009 and 2013.
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As I said Aussies talking as though they have won the series before a ball is bowled as they did in 2005 2009 and 2013.
English acting like they can play Test cricket when they can't even beat West Indies...
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English acting like they can play Test cricket when they can't even beat West Indies...
England have moved on since there practice matches against the Windies
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England have moved on since there practice matches against the Windies
Yes notably losing a Test at home to New Zealand for the first time in some 20 years? And for 80% of the series getting totally out played.
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Yes notably losing a Test at home to New Zealand for the first time in some 20 years? And for 80% of the series getting totally out played.
Can't see how England were totally outplayed when they won the 1st test by 124 runs as already said Aussies won the series before a ball is bowled.
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...as already said Aussies won the series before a ball is bowled.
Everybody was talking about Aus vs WI before you chimed in about Smith vs Anderson... ???
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Everybody was talking about Aus vs WI before you chimed in about Smith vs Anderson... ???
It's called a chip on the shoulder.
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bowling stats are pretty impressive for the Australian bowling unit in this short series
Hazlewood 12 wickets @ 8.83
Starc 10 wickets @ 16.00
Johnson 8 wickets @ 18.62
Lyon 8 wickets @ 19.25
Seems like Starc will be the unlucky bowler come Cardiff as Harris is a cert to play.
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It's gonna be bloody hard against this attack for ENGLAND make no mistake but this is ashes cricket we all need a hero.
You can hear the drums roll nearly time for the Ashes win or lose will be brilliant.
Hope we can get amongst your batters as your bowlers are lookin impressive
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I'm only worried about Harris.
Johnson has a poor record in England and the pitches won't suit him
LOL!
He has played ONE series in England and that was back in 2009.
It was a DISASTER for Johnson. It was the series the English fans made fun of him for being shyte.
Mitchell Johnson took 20 wickets in that 2009 series. On the surface not too bad?
England's best bowler that series was Broad with 15 wickets.
How did James "the greatest bowler in the world" Anderson go in that series? He took 10 wickets. Yep. TEN WICKETS.
....and Mitch Johnson is remembered as being shyte, yet Anderson is the greatest bowler of all time.
And you wonder why we think some of you Poms are peckerheads?
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Anderson got 12 ;)
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What a mental series that was though looking back at it though.
6 of the leading 7 run scorers were Australian...
The three leading wicket takers were Australian...
Only Broad and Onions of the main bowlers for England averaged below 40 but even both of them were above 30...
Quite incredible really.
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LOL!
He has played ONE series in England and that was back in 2009.
It was a DISASTER for Johnson. It was the series the English fans made fun of him for being shyte.
Mitchell Johnson took 20 wickets in that 2009 series. On the surface not too bad?
England's best bowler that series was Broad with 15 wickets.
How did James "the greatest bowler in the world" Anderson go in that series? He took 10 wickets. Yep. TEN WICKETS.
....and Mitch Johnson is remembered as being shyte, yet Anderson is the greatest bowler of all time.
And you wonder why we think some of you Poms are peckerheads?
From what I remember Mitch only had one really bad test that series didn't he?
The Barmy Army's song was brilliant though :D
Yes, I am English. Despite this, I won't start saying Jimmy is the World's greatest bowler (equally he isn't a clubbie, as some on here suggest, either). In the 2009 series your batsmen scored more hundreds than ours, and your bowlers took more wickets than ours. There is one vital stat you appear to be forgetting though - our team won more tests than yours! ;)
I'm looking at the squads for this series and I honestly think England will get beaten. I'd love them to prove me wrong, but I just can't se them winning the series.
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LOL!
He has played ONE series in England and that was back in 2009.
It was a DISASTER for Johnson. It was the series the English fans made fun of him for being shyte.
Mitchell Johnson took 20 wickets in that 2009 series. On the surface not too bad?
England's best bowler that series was Broad with 15 wickets.
How did James "the greatest bowler in the world" Anderson go in that series? He took 10 wickets. Yep. TEN WICKETS.
....and Mitch Johnson is remembered as being shyte, yet Anderson is the greatest bowler of all time.
And you wonder why we think some of you Poms are peckerheads?
Still my opinion, Harris is more of a problem than Johnson. Apart from the ECB Press Office and parts of the English press, most people on here are fairly realistic about Anderson. I don't remember calling him the "greatest bowler in the world" or hearing it from any English members on this forum. In England he is as good as anyone and since YOU brought it up, using 2013 as a more relevant benchmark (you've been using the Gerry SA school of selective statistics I see) for the coming series he took 21 wickets which only Ryan Harris of the seamers beat him (in 1 less test - 24 wickets in 4 tests), hence my original comment which had nothing to do with Jimmy Anderson.
Learn to read Peckerhead :D
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Heard this on TV the other day Jimmy Anderson is the best opening bowler and outfielder in the history of the game find it hard to disagree.
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In the 2009 series, Australia probably were the better team and won more sessions. however, when England won a session that tended to swing the game massively in their favour. Australia would win a session, but never really won the game off the back of 1 or 2 good sessions.
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Still my opinion, Harris is more of a problem than Johnson. Apart from the ECB Press Office and parts of the English press, most people on here are fairly realistic about Anderson. I don't remember calling him the "greatest bowler in the world" or hearing it from any English members on this forum. In England he is as good as anyone and since YOU brought it up, using 2013 as a more relevant benchmark (you've been using the Gerry SA school of selective statistics I see) for the coming series he took 21 wickets which only Ryan Harris of the seamers beat him (in 1 less test - 24 wickets in 4 tests), hence my original comment which had nothing to do with Jimmy Anderson.
Learn to read Peckerhead :D
What part of "Johnson has a poor record in England and the pitches won't suit him" have I misunderstood?
Johnson didn't play in 2013. He played in the 2009 Ashes...and awful as he was, Anderson who played all five tests, took...sorry, 12 wickets and Broad not much more. Yet the English press and fans kept crowing how awful Johnson was?
Who is being selective? You brought up Johnson's one and only English tour, and I showed you that he was far and away better than your two spearheads...one of whom is constantly trumped up to be "the greatest of all time".
It is a measure of the mistrust of Anderson in the last series that the English doctored all the pitches to be like Indian turners to let Swan do his thing. With no Swan this time, it will be interesting to see what kind of pitches are served up. If they are green tops again, Anderson will be a factor, but heaven help you when a four pronged attack of Harris, Hazelwood, Starc and Johnson are hurling missiles down on the English batsmen on those same green tops.
England's best chance really does rest on preparing raging turners...but if Mo is your best spinner, that really isn't going to be a wise strategy either.
Never-the-less - it will be interesting.
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In the 2009 series, Australia probably were the better team and won more sessions. however, when England won a session that tended to swing the game massively in their favour. Australia would win a session, but never really won the game off the back of 1 or 2 good sessions.
That is how it panned out.
When England won a session, it resulted in the match being won.; cf Lords and The Oval.
Australia on the other hand dominated the two rain shortened test matches at Sophia Gardens and Edgbaston (?) where nothing came of their dominance.
The test they did win was by a big margin.
Hence the lop sided stats for the series.
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What part of "Johnson has a poor record in England and the pitches won't suit him" have I misunderstood?
Johnson has a poor record in England averaging in 2009 32.5 and going at 4 an over - it's not great is it. Anderson averages - 26.77 over 60 test matches. Albeit based on 5 tests and a small sample size but you can't trot out the "Anderson is rubbish overseas" (when we play in Aus) and not expect the same argument to come back.
The pitches won't suit him - my opinion and I certainly wouldn't be preparing anything with pace and bounce. England have a better chance on slow low english wickets without much grass and concentrating on swinging the ball/bowling an English length. That's why I fear Harris, he's the nearest to a typical English seamer Aus have.
England didn't mis-trust Anderson in 2013, they recognised the best way to win was for Swann to out bowl anything Australia had. Which he did before Aus got a proper spinner in. I don't think raging turners will work unless Root turns into Jim Laker overnight and Ali bowls the first legal doosra.
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Johnson has a poor record in England averaging in 2009 32.5 and going at 4 an over - it's not great is it. Anderson averages - 26.77 over 60 test matches. Albeit based on 5 tests and a small sample size but you can't trot out the "Anderson is rubbish overseas" (when we play in Aus) and not expect the same argument to come back.
The pitches won't suit him - my opinion and I certainly wouldn't be preparing anything with pace and bounce. England have a better chance on slow low english wickets without much grass and concentrating on swinging the ball/bowling an English length. That's why I fear Harris, he's the nearest to a typical English seamer Aus have.
England didn't mis-trust Anderson in 2013, they recognised the best way to win was for Swann to out bowl anything Australia had. Which he did before Aus got a proper spinner in. I don't think raging turners will work unless Root turns into Jim Laker overnight and Ali bowls the first legal doosra.
I didn't make the statement anywhere here that "Anderson is rubbish is overseas" - you just did.
But now that we are on that topic, for a real good belly laugh, check out Anderson's stats over his 13 tests in Australia. They are truly LOL-worthy, with only one good series when Australia were in utter disarray in 2010-11. The rest of the time the Aussie batsmen practiced their golf shots on "The Greatest of All Time".
You clearly have seen nothing of Hazelwood and assume that Starc's trajectory of improvement has never happened.
Prepare seam friendly decks at your peril, for we WILL play a five-pronged seam attack to send the missiles back the other way.
Just a taster of what is to come:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12N_KtXmJjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12N_KtXmJjE)
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Apart from the odd mad moment at headingley, Australia never play 5 seamers lol. 3 seamers - Harris, Johnson + starc or Hazelwood, then sticknote Watson as a 4th seamer and Lyon. You love your number 6 to bat, so that rules out any change.
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Apart from the odd mad moment at headingley, Australia never play 5 seamers lol. 3 seamers - Harris, Johnson + starc or Hazelwood, then sticknote Watson as a 4th seamer and Lyon. You love your number 6 to bat, so that rules out any change.
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You are discounting a combo of Harris, Johnson, Hazelwood/Starc, sicknote Watson (who seems to be more durable these days) and Mitch Marsh who can bat at six as well as bowl at 140+ clicks.
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Guys, please can we keep this a little more friendly, no Vic baiting and Vic, no pomm bashing...
Just a taster of what is to come:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12N_KtXmJjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12N_KtXmJjE)
If Johnson bowls like that the Australian tourists will keep the ashes.
But we will produce more slow dead tracks, so there is virtually no chance of that happening. If it does then there won't be an English supporter who will begrudge the success.
Vic, are you at all worried that your team are so old??!
The average ages is about 40 and this could well be the last tour for Harris, Johnson, Rodgers, Watson, Voges Haddin and Clarke too. That is over half the team!!
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Guys, please can we keep this a little more friendly, no Vic baiting and Vic, no pomm bashing...
If Johnson bowls like that the Australian tourists will keep the ashes.
But we will produce more slow dead tracks, so there is virtually no chance of that happening. If it does then there won't be an English supporter who will begrudge the success.
Vic, are you at all worried that your team are so old??!
The average ages is about 40 and this could well be the last tour for Harris, Johnson, Rodgers, Watson, Voges Haddin and Clarke too. That is over half the team!!
Nope.
We are picking guys on form
There are direct replacements for all those blokes with the exception of Clarke (guys that average over 50 don't grow on trees)
Harris - Hazelwood
Johnson - Starc
Siddle - Pattinson
......... - Cummins
Watson - Mitch Marsh
Haddin - there about 4 guys all with legitimate claims
Rodgers - Shaun Marsh
Voges - Burns
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I love how 2009 ashes get brought up. You guys do realise Flintoff, Collingwood, Pietersen, Swann and Strauss don't play for England anymore?
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I love how 2009 ashes get brought up. You guys do realise Flintoff, Collingwood, Pietersen, Swann and Strauss don't play for England anymore?
It also must be remembered that Mitchell Johnson has a mustache now. This has seen him be a much better bowler!
I don't see age as an issue for the future of the side. It just means that the players coming in are seasoned 1st class players who can perform straight away in different conditions and match situations, especially the batsmen.
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sorry vic but I just don't rate shaun marsh, to me he is another watson(all about potential).
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sorry vic but I just don't rate shaun marsh, to me he is another watson(all about potential).
Me neither, but in the absence of the departed Phil Hughes, he will get first crack at opening. On form though, Ed Cowan should logically be next cab off the rank as he had a glorious summer before the BBL enforced shutdown. But I think the selectors feel that Shaun Marsh should be given a clear run at making the position his own. I reckon Maddison is next in line after S. Marsh.
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Yep maddison is my pick.
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Guys, please can we keep this a little more friendly, no Vic baiting and Vic, no pomm bashing...
Don't be such a girl, unlike Gerry SA I would call this a bit of banter in comparison. Both sides are making valid points and it's a robust discussion.
Vic, are you at all worried that your team are so old??!
The average ages is about 40 and this could well be the last tour for Harris, Johnson, Rodgers, Watson, Voges Haddin and Clarke too. That is over half the team!!
England had experience in 1989 and got thumped by a young Australia side.
I love how 2009 ashes get brought up. You guys do realise Flintoff, Collingwood, Pietersen, Swann and Strauss don't play for England anymore?
Need something to hold on to :)
Nope.
We are picking guys on form
There are direct replacements for all those blokes with the exception of Clarke (guys that average over 50 don't grow on trees)
Harris - Hazelwood
Johnson - Starc
Siddle - Pattinson
......... - Cummins
Watson - Mitch Marsh
Haddin - there about 4 guys all with legitimate claims
Rodgers - Shaun Marsh
Voges - Burns
Neither Marsh I rate but Mitch can't do any worse than Watson, on the plus side anybody should be better than Haddin. His footwork has gone to pot and he's dropped a few recently. How nobody doesn't realise he hangs on the backfoot with little foot movement when batting I don't know. Ought to be a pitch up walking wicket, but perhaps I'm missing something! Is Pattinson ever fit? Hazelwood, Cummins, Starc totally agree.