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Title: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 02:36:58 PM
Warm up game is today.

Hales and Roy gone in 20s. Along with buttler and moeen.

Morgs with a 40


Taylor has just gone passed his ton. Well batted titch.






Didn't realise billings had been dropped, he's had a decent lions tour. 89 in the last game and a few more fifties. Shame as I think he's one of our stars of the future.
Title: Re: England vs spit Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 02:49:49 PM
Bairstow going mental. Hot 5 sixes in last 2.2 overs.

He is now on 58 off 29 balls!! He's gunning for buttlers odi spot.......
Title: Re: England vs spit Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 02:50:21 PM
And then falls the next ball. Commentators curse.....
Title: Re: England vs spit Africa odi series
Post by: Batbuddy99 on January 30, 2016, 03:03:00 PM
Think you need to correct the title of this Thread


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 03:12:19 PM
Changed i shall now continue to talk to myself.

A cameo from Jordan 33 and Willey 13 sees us get a mammoth 368 for 7 from our fifty.


South Africa to block out for the draw....... Wait his is win/lose.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on January 30, 2016, 03:27:51 PM
Excited for this series, hope Roy and Buttler can crack on
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on January 30, 2016, 04:52:59 PM
Mr Rashid in on the action - I like that!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on January 30, 2016, 05:02:35 PM
Why have we dropped Billings??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 30, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
Looks a bit pointless with early wickets down. Nothing in the game, might as well give up if you were an SA player.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Byo on January 30, 2016, 05:08:29 PM
Looks a bit pointless with early wickets down. Nothing in the game, might as well give up if you were an SA player.

That would do their international chances the world of good!!!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
So England win by 165 runs.

Margin seems good but SA a all out in 30 overs. So run rate was going for it!!


Which comes to our bowlers, topley Rashid and Jordan with 3 wickets each, but all went at 6 an over.

Moeen Ali went at 8.25 an over!!


Could be expensive against the proper side!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Manormanic on January 30, 2016, 06:14:58 PM
Why have we dropped Billings??

errr...did you see how Bairstow bated in the test series?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on January 30, 2016, 06:21:29 PM
errr...did you see how Bairstow bated in the test series?

Billings was in the odi set up as a specialist batsmen.... Even the dreaded word finisher.

He wasn't eyeballed to keep for England, hence when buttler tore his webbing, Bairstow was called up to keep without being in the squad.



Now the question is where does billings fit, as Bairstow proved today his worth as a batsmen only. It's a case of to many riches in our batting line up. But I believe billings deserves his chance.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Manormanic on January 31, 2016, 09:01:47 AM
Billings was in the odi set up as a specialist batsmen.... Even the dreaded word finisher.

He wasn't eyeballed to keep for England, hence when buttler tore his webbing, Bairstow was called up to keep without being in the squad.

Now the question is where does billings fit, as Bairstow proved today his worth as a batsmen only. It's a case of to many riches in our batting line up. But I believe billings deserves his chance.

To be fair, Billings didn't make the side last time around and I suspect atthis stage he's seen as a bit of a luxury in the ODI side, whereas in the T20 stuff he's already shown that he can become essential.  Bairstow is more of a top order player - he can build an innings as well as hit 360.

Of course, we all missed the other reason Billings didn't play - he'd been kept back in the Gulf to play for England A in their last game against Pakistan A.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Buzz on January 31, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Regardless who plays, seeing Bairstow bring his county batting form to international cricket is fantastic. Fingers crossed it continues in the odi series.
It is one of my favourite things in sport seeing someone initially written off (unfairly in Bairstow's case) and smashing it.
I have always preferred buttler (and still do) but no one can deny bairstow has earned his place the hard and best way.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: cheese on January 31, 2016, 06:12:05 PM
My Team for the first ODI would be...

Roy
Hales
Taylor
Morgan
Root
Stokes
Butler wk (Just! Would like to see Bairstow in but Buttle's ODI form in the UAE was terrific)
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Broad

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Manormanic on January 31, 2016, 06:42:45 PM
That's very harsh on Rashid.

Not sure why, but I also don't see them playing Taylor and Root (unless Roy was dropped and Joe opened, which is unlikely).  I wonder if an either/or for the three spot with Ali floating between five and seven is more likely.  Allows Dilly to play and leaves them less reliant on ten overs from Moeen, who can be expensive.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 31, 2016, 11:05:48 PM
Surely they won't drop Taylor, he's averaged in the 60s since the Australia ODI series!

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 01, 2016, 01:02:09 PM
South Africa have added giant fast bowler Marchant de Lange to their squad. I'm quite interested to see what pace he's bowling at these days. I remember seeing him debut against New Zealand a few years ago and he was rapid.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 01, 2016, 01:07:40 PM
Didn't he play in the 3 day South Africa A game and got a bit of tap (I could be wrong).
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 01, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Didn't he play in the 3 day South Africa A game and got a bit of tap (I could be wrong).
I think he played in the warm up limited overs game but yes he was expensive
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Manormanic on February 01, 2016, 06:59:16 PM
De Lange is an odd one - I remember that first test too and he looked - regardless of the numbers on the speed guns - properly rapid.  Not just "it looks rapid to clubbies" but the kind of rapid that scared top pros.

He has never bowled with the same pace since, at least not that I've seen. Its interesting that he seems now to be behind Steyn, Philander, Morkel, Rabada, Morris, Abbott, Viljoen and McLaren (at least) in the test pecking order.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 01, 2016, 08:13:20 PM
Jason roy had a back spasm today and might not play, root to open taylor at 3?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 01, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
De Lange is an odd one - I remember that first test too and he looked - regardless of the numbers on the speed guns - properly rapid.  Not just "it looks rapid to clubbies" but the kind of rapid that scared top pros.

He has never bowled with the same pace since, at least not that I've seen. Its interesting that he seems now to be behind Steyn, Philander, Morkel, Rabada, Morris, Abbott, Viljoen and McLaren (at least) in the test pecking order.
Just read an article regarding de Lange and his injury woes. Some experts feel his very short run up is the reason his back keeps giving out. With regards to his place within the SA ranks, it's bizarre that he's fallen away so far as he was in India as replacement for Philander. Yet against England he wasn't near the Test side.

His pace gave Brendan McCullum the hurry up, and he's never one to be intimidated.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: kdale6 on February 01, 2016, 09:30:37 PM
Regardless who plays, seeing Bairstow bring his county batting form to international cricket is fantastic. Fingers crossed it continues in the odi series.
It is one of my favourite things in sport seeing someone initially written off (unfairly in Bairstow's case) and smashing it.
I have always preferred buttler (and still do) but no one can deny bairstow has earned his place the hard and best way.

No doubt he's got a lot of talent but let's be honest he was pretty pony for quite a while in England colours so you can understand why people took a lot of convincing
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Johnny on February 02, 2016, 06:48:29 PM
Telegraph tweeted earlier that James Taylor is set to be dropped.

So harsh if true
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 02, 2016, 07:29:05 PM
Telegraph tweeted earlier that James Taylor is set to be dropped.


Surprises me how often the England team line ups and players getting dropped get leaked into the press. You would have thought the ecb would have fixed this, oh wait ecb love the press in their pockets.
Doesn't happen to any other teams
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 02, 2016, 07:47:03 PM
Telegraph tweeted earlier that James Taylor is set to be dropped.

So harsh if true

Averaged 60 odd since the Australia series and scored a hundred in the warm up game, only seems logical to drop him... :o
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 02, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
Averaged 60 odd since the Australia series and scored a hundred in the warm up game, only seems logical to drop him... :o

Maybe he was whistling in a meeting...

Maybe he was looking out a window...

Maybe they have investigated his family and they aren't the 'right' sort
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 02, 2016, 07:54:26 PM
For me Morgan wouldnt be in the team to fit everyone else in, but A) hes skipper and B) his stats probably prove i have no idea what im talking about.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ijmorgan on February 02, 2016, 08:00:52 PM
Think he averages around 47-48 as Captain.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 02, 2016, 08:04:35 PM
And there you go. Point proven.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Alvaro on February 02, 2016, 09:27:39 PM
Eoin Morgan is England's best captain in fudging ages
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 02, 2016, 11:31:42 PM
Surprises me how often the England team line ups and players getting dropped get leaked into the press. You would have thought the ecb would have fixed this, oh wait ecb love the press in their pockets.
Doesn't happen to any other teams

I just hope ECB investigates and figures out who is leaking such information. Its demoralizing for players to hear the news from sources other than the coach/captain/team management.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 02, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Eoin Morgan is England's best captain in fudging ages
Couldnt agree more. Just my personal preference would be to not have him in the team, i personally dont like him. Like i said his stats will back up the fact im wrong, which they have.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
I just hope ECB investigates and figures out who is leaking such information. Its demoralizing for players to hear the news from sources other than the coach/captain/team management.

Can't really investigate when the leaks come from the top of the management. A way of having the press on your side so that they continue to write good things about Giles clarke etc
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 03, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
What does Taylor have to do to get in the side consistently? And urgh, Chris Jordan.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 03, 2016, 11:15:53 AM
Nick Knight - "I would have defiantly taken Broad to the World T20."

WTF Nick are you smoking the wacky backy, Broad shouldn't even be anywhere near this ODI squad as well at the T20 one. Broad can't bowl at the death, he leaks runs during the middle overs.

Sorry I forgot to mention Nick Knight is one of my most hated commentators, why people think he's got some sort of usable ODI knowledge suitable to TV commentary is beyond me!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 03, 2016, 11:17:22 AM
So England bat first...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 03, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
Play devils advocate here re: Taylor and assume they are going to mix things up like they did against Pakistan.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 03, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
Taylor has been unlucky not to get a game here. Done well in the one dayers, ton in the warm up...

I know you can't pick 12 but.........

 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 03, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Jordan
Rashid
Willey
Topley


So much bowling!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 11:31:57 AM
ROY ROY ROY
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: procricket on February 03, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
Why not give root a rest then why always titch
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 03, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
Jason Roy times the ball through the leg side ridiculously well. England off to a great start.

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 03, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
This could be a debate of what should we rest Root or Taylor?

Now Roy is injured... Great!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 03, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
Jason Roy times the ball through the leg side ridiculously well. England off to a great start.


nothing more than a good bat to do that.Now...let's have a look in the for sale section see if I can pick something up to time it like that.  :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: roco on February 03, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
what a difference an day or a change of format makes for Hales

can't believe I'm at work missing this
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 03, 2016, 12:54:29 PM
Hales goes and Buttler comes in at 4! he could score 200 if he bats through now haha!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
I love Jos Buttler
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
No moans yet about this pitch being flat? or do we accept it when england's smashing it around  :D
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 03, 2016, 01:09:07 PM
No moans yet about this pitch being flat? or do we accept it when england's smashing it around  :D

Quite right, it's perfectly acceptable when England are batting.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 03, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
England need all the help they can get. If it turns into a minefield and we have 500 we squeeze home by 5 runs.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Pitches like this are what kills cricket. If this was in the subcontinent everyone would be up in arms about a flat track and batsmen just having a slog.

What's the point of bowlers on surfaces like this? Just use a bowling machine and pretend it's range hitting.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 03, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
Pitches like this are what kills cricket. If this was in the subcontinent everyone would be up in arms about a flat track and batsmen just having a slog.

What's the point of bowlers on surfaces like this? Just use a bowling machine and pretend it's range hitting.

i thought the same this morning until your lads had a hit on it, so lets see how the Saffers go first.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 03, 2016, 01:47:41 PM
Quite right, it's perfectly acceptable when England are batting.

Yes for the first 50 then when adil gets hold of the ball like karachi on day 7 !!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 01:49:48 PM
i thought the same this morning until your lads had a hit on it, so lets see how the Saffers go first.
New Zealand scored 308.

Boult and Henry are two of the premier ODI bowlers. Don't see much coming from England's mismash of medium pacers
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 03, 2016, 01:57:25 PM
New Zealand scored 308.

Boult and Henry are two of the premier ODI bowlers. Don't see much coming from England's mismash of medium pacers

Willey and Rashid aren't too shabby to be fair to them.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 03, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
Boult yes, Henry? Definitely predicting Jordan will go for over a ton though.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 02:04:01 PM
Boult yes, Henry? Definitely predicting Jordan will go for over a ton though.
Matt Henry 46 poles at 22. I'll take that everyday of the week
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 03, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
Matt Henry 46 poles at 22. I'll take that everyday of the week
Oh he's a good bowler for sure, don't think anyone if asked for a list of the world's 'premier ODI bowlers' would include him though.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 03, 2016, 02:18:08 PM
New Zealand scored 308.

Boult and Henry are two of the premier ODI bowlers. Don't see much coming from England's mismash of medium pacers
Two of the premier ODI bowlers where, in today's NZ side?Neither of them are even NZ's best bowler, who was missing.

Also a much lower altitude in Auckland which will have a big effect on the six hitting ;)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
Two of the premier ODI bowlers where, in today's NZ side?Neither of them are even NZ's best bowler, who was missing.

Also a much lower altitude in Auckland which will have a big effect on the six hitting ;)
Look at the respective records for the three bowlers then determine 'who's the best bowler'
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 03, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
Look at the respective records for the three bowlers then determine 'who's the best bowler'

Purely on stats maybe, but Southee will have played a heap more games outside NZ and especially in the subcontinent than the other I'd imagine. henry in particular I imagine may have played pretty much all his ODI's in NZ and England, neither of which are exactly fast bowlers graveyards.

Anyway, I'm not sure you'd call this SA attack ' premier' in anyone's world.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: roco on February 03, 2016, 02:34:15 PM
you have to remember that all of Englands players are rubbish and wouldn't get into the Bermuda 2nd xi

flat pitches for ODI is fine by me as that's what ODi and T20 is just a hitathon

get proper pitches for test cricket

we will see when SA bat as it will take some chasing but this is the preferred format for some of their players
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 03, 2016, 02:35:50 PM
remarkable stuff from Butler whether they are a premier attack or not

serious talent this lad has

but yes, without Steyn this whole series and the tests could of been different.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 02:36:43 PM
Timely Ton for buttler with an IPL auction in a few days ;). could make the difference in a few hundred thousand!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 03, 2016, 02:41:41 PM
Timely Ton for buttler with an IPL auction in a few days ;). could make the difference in a few hundred thousand!
Has he made himself available for it then? Thought he wanted to play Tests?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 03, 2016, 02:45:34 PM
Has he made himself available for it then? Thought he wanted to play Tests?

He said recently that he feels Bairstow's form in the tests has nailed him in place for the foreseeable future so wants to play IPL.

Good move in my opinion.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Jesus Christ Moeen
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 03, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
He said recently that he feels Bairstow's form in the tests has nailed him in place for the foreseeable future so wants to play IPL.

Good move in my opinion.
Definitely! Itsnjust a shame they all are on during the middle of test series!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 03:03:24 PM
Jordan a better bat than Wiley?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 03, 2016, 03:03:40 PM
Why's Jordan (who's never made a white ball 50) going in ahead of Willey (who has ton's in all 3 formats including a 40baller in last seasons T20)??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 03:06:33 PM
Rashid apparently a bigger hitter and better bat than wiley too!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rawpace on February 03, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
That lasted long...Willey in now
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
WILLEY TO DE KOCK
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Johnny on February 03, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
WILLEY TO DE KOCK

no balls?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 03, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
Hmmm - Jordan a potential weak link here!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 04:50:36 PM
Wow! missing leg! surely not. Good review for SA
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 03, 2016, 05:00:44 PM
Jordan....hmmmmmm

is 399 enough is the question at this rate......

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Better get the next 3 overs in quickly!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 03, 2016, 05:14:11 PM
Ben Stokes  :o
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 03, 2016, 05:16:32 PM
Im in love with that man. Holy cow.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 03, 2016, 05:31:48 PM
He can bowl at 90mph, swing it, hit the ball as clean as anyone in the game and now takes one handed worldies sprinting round the boundary, unbelievable.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 05:40:27 PM
9 ODI hundreds for Quinton de Kock and he's still a baby at only 23.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
And about 5 of those are against India
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 05:45:12 PM
Duminy is so crap he's given his wicket to Topley...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 05:45:44 PM
And about 5 of those are against India
Your point being?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 03, 2016, 05:48:20 PM
Personally I don't see the attraction with Topley, we've already got a left armed who can also bat in Willey, so why do we need another? I'd have put him in the team if he could bowl 90+ but he can't.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 03, 2016, 05:51:45 PM
Personally I don't see the attraction with Topley, we've already got a left armed who can also bat in Willey, so why do we need another? I'd have put him in the team if he could bowl 90+ but he can't.
Alot of the pundits have said hes "left arm express" yet i havent seen him bowl up above low 80s when ive seen him play.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 03, 2016, 05:52:27 PM
Personally I don't see the attraction with Topley, we've already got a left armed who can also bat in Willey, so why do we need another? I'd have put him in the team if he could bowl 90+ but he can't.
His ink work is nearly as terrible as Dernbach's...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 03, 2016, 06:00:48 PM
Great comment on cricinfo - "deKock needs to go really big here"  :D
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 03, 2016, 06:02:30 PM
Jeepers!! Jordan really giving them a chance here! Get 'im orf!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 03, 2016, 06:04:31 PM
So I've bashed Topley it's time to do the same for Jordan, why are they so persistent with him? Yes he burst onto the scene with wickets but now he's just a buffet bowler?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 06:09:21 PM
What a conversion rate by de kock. Slightly better than kohli

Some knock he's playing! Think they'd want Miller out there with him but his form of late has been really poor
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 03, 2016, 06:10:29 PM
Given de kock has only one leg, some wide yorkers outside off might be a good idea. He's closed the face on the last two and not scored. Or is that a bit obvious?

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 03, 2016, 06:13:18 PM
The physio has just given De Kock a rub!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 03, 2016, 06:23:38 PM
Personally I don't see the attraction with Topley, we've already got a left armed who can also bat in Willey, so why do we need another? I'd have put him in the team if he could bowl 90+ but he can't.
Agree completely, Topley wouldn't be a bad pick if he wasn't very similar to Willey, but he doesn't offer much other than being left handed.

Jordan, who knows. Going at the 10rpo I predicted earlier, sometimes I wonder how he even got in the England team in the first place? Doesn't even look a good county bowler at times.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 03, 2016, 06:27:18 PM
Jordan only selected because he did well in that last game vs pak where he nailed the Yorkers. Apart from that game he's been rubbish in every other game
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 03, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
Jordan only selected because he did well in that last game vs pak where he nailed the Yorkers. Apart from that game he's been rubbish in every other game
Got to remember he was god awful during that game as well, he only came good during the super over!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 03, 2016, 06:46:52 PM
I LOVE D/L
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 03, 2016, 06:48:24 PM
I think that superover was the only time he has bowled well at this level!! Why on Earth can't he bowl like that any other time!!!  :o
I think Topley is ok but nothing special.

If I were Morgs, I would be asking to change Topley and Jordan for Broad and Woakes.
And did someone say that Roy was injured or did I imagine that? If Roy does not make the next ODI, then I guess they are likely to throw Ali up to open with Hales? In which case they must surely get Taylor in!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 03, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
Roy had a back spasm in Monday but seemed to have recovered


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 03, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
He twisted his knee today whilst batting, was seen braced up once out but im not sure if he fielded or not.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: kdale6 on February 03, 2016, 08:52:28 PM
Your point being?

I read it as a compliment to de Kock what with India being a class one day outfit
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 03, 2016, 08:55:53 PM
I read it as a compliment to de Kock what with India being a class one day outfit

Don't worry about AinE....he's just a grumpy girl when he gets going!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 06, 2016, 07:56:00 AM
Saffers win toss and bat. Pah. England unchanged.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 06, 2016, 08:09:30 AM
Yessssssssssssss, great ball. Maiden over from Willey before was great.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 06, 2016, 08:17:34 AM
Much better start with the ball for us-one side of wicket
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 06, 2016, 09:53:58 AM
Take it Jordan's playing as a specialist slip fielder? Not bowled an over yet.
Good tactic from Morgan to keep the ball out of his hand.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 06, 2016, 09:59:37 AM
Have to say that's a good job from Rashid
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 10:08:19 AM
QdeK went early for a change, Amla still not sounding great, but AB is sitting pretty.....wonder when he will start to go big! I'd be a bit worried if I were the bowlers as there is no containing AB if he gets in!!  :o
And does anyone know why Jordan is playing? They don't seem to be bowling him as he's too expensive.....unless they are saving him for his death bowling? And if he is not bowling then they have him for his fielding/Batting? But would rather have Taylor! As soon as I start writing this, they throw him he ball!
This could be an expensive few overs!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 06, 2016, 10:35:09 AM
Looks like it's time to tee off! Could be carnage if AB bats till the end
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 10:44:06 AM
Really failing to see what Jordan offers at international level. He's hopeless.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 06, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Really failing to see what Jordan offers at international level. He's hopeless.

THAT
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 10:49:42 AM
Really failing to see what Jordan offers at international level. He's hopeless.

Jus the ability to make the hardest catches look easy. Streets ahead of stokes' one. He probably does need to do more though
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
THAT
Gotcha! Fielding all rounder 👌🏽
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 10:50:55 AM
Gotcha! Fielding all rounder 👌🏽

We all know every team has one or two, nice to see the pros following the formula

Disgustingly poor umpiring there
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Padders_22 on February 06, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
Great wickets for England those!

Great catch by Jordan and the bonus lbw there, live it looked dead. What's a good score? 275?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 06, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
Could England just travel the globe with Jordan as specialist 12man? Always have somebody off the field so he is on?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
We all know every team has one or two, nice to see the pros following the formula

Disgustingly poor umpiring there
Gotta love club cricket and a fielding all rounder 😜
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Padders_22 link=topic=37285.msg595341#msg595341 date=1454755910
 live it looked dead
[/quote

Please never umpire, never looked even close
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 10:54:44 AM
Nick Knight's commentary is in the same league as Michael Owen's soccer commentary...very crap. 
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
Ok - decent fielder but still not in the best XI in my book!
And sounds like a terrible decision from umpire!! QdeK shouldn't have wasted his LBW review! Then they would have had a review left!
They say that the review is only for the howler and not there to be used for a close decision which QdeK used it for!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 06, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
Gotcha! Fielding all rounder 👌🏽
It was bad timing but I do agree with you, he's arguably the best fielder around now, and can give the ball a fair tonk but his bowling just hasn't been good enough so far, I guess they still see potential there and are prepared to stick with him a while yet.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 10:57:20 AM
Nick Knight's commentary is in the same league as Michael Owen's soccer commentary...very crap.

Tbf, the sky box does need a shake up. Gilly, ponting and hussey please

For me the guys for the chop

Ian ward
Nick knight
Beefy

Also, Ffs get rid of bang avg players like ramps, key etc off the verdict/in game stuff.. Get some legends in like gilly, McGrath, warne, sanga, healey etc
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 11:00:15 AM
It was bad timing but I do agree with you, he's arguably the best fielder around now, and can give the ball a fair tonk but his bowling just hasn't been good enough so far, I guess they still see potential there and are prepared to stick with him a while yet.
l
TBH I give Woakes a lot of stick but he had done well in the UAE and now can't get a game. Even when Jordan bowls like its a charity match...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
Tbf, the sky box does need a shake up. Gilly, ponting and hussey please

For me the guys for the chop

Ian ward
Nick knight
Beefy

Also, Ffs get rid of bang avg players like ramps, key etc off the verdict/in game stuff.. Get some legends in like gilly, McGrath, warne, sanga, healey etc
I thought Rampraskash was England's batting coach?

I don't really see any of the Australians commentating on England's matches aside from Warne.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 11:03:06 AM
l
 its a charity match...

ODI wants runs so you want some buffet stuff to belt.. It's fun remember
SA need all the help they can get so I'm sure they want more buffet
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 06, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
Tbf, the sky box does need a shake up. Gilly, ponting and hussey please

For me the guys for the chop

Ian ward
Nick knight
Beefy

Also, Ffs get rid of bang avg players like ramps, key etc off the verdict/in game stuff.. Get some legends in like gilly, McGrath, warne, sanga, healey etc

Definitely need to get rid of beefy. Out dated commentary - either moans or talks about Ben stokes in the trenches! Could add gower to that list.
At times the sky commentary team is just so boring! Suppose it's still better than the muppets on the channel 9 team (munus hussey)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 06, 2016, 11:09:19 AM
Morgan with an outstanding referral
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Really?!?!?!?

Nowhere near enough evidence to over turn, killing it as a game umpires
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
But it hit him on the leg? ???

Hahahaha, oh good god. Is that your requirement for lbw??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
I only have radio but not 100% convinced that it was the right decision to be honest!
Sounded as though there was enough doubt?
If the original decision was out then I would say keep that decision as it was 50/50! But as it was a 50/50 decision, I would say that it is enough to keep whatever on-field decision has been made! And as the umpire hadn't given out, I would have said the keep the on-field decision?
But it's a wicket in the column so cant be changed now.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Padders_22 on February 06, 2016, 11:14:10 AM
Hahahaha, oh good god. Is that your requirement for lbw??

Depends on if I'm bowling or batting...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
Depends on if I'm bowling or batting...

Good answer 👍
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 06, 2016, 11:19:41 AM
Middled it!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Batbuddy99 on February 06, 2016, 11:41:34 AM
Jordan misfielded!!!


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 12:38:54 PM
These umpires are awful

Yep, review backs me up.. Never ever looked out
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
The same Umpire again! Is this guy in a hurry to get home?
A terrible decision giving Duminy out. And now the same with Root!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 12:42:01 PM
The same Umpire again! Is this guy in a hurry to get home?
A terrible decision giving Duminy out. And now the same with Root!

You don't mind if it's close but neither one has even looked out in any way shape or form. Saturday umpires give crap,like that all the time unfortunatley
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 02:52:37 PM
Two more poor umpire decisions in one over. Seriously, these are professional umpires not Saturday afternoon warriors
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 06, 2016, 02:57:02 PM
Where are the biffing lovers today? England should cruise this, pathetic batting by SA on a 330+ wicket and should be cruising but a few batsmen playing daft shots.

Hate to say it but hales needs to win this for the team, looks,like the rest cba
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Padders_22 on February 06, 2016, 02:58:46 PM
Bizarre innings from Ben Stokes.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 02:59:13 PM
Don't know why Stokes came out swinging when South Africa are so far on the back foot. England can milk it against Abbott/Rabada/Morkel/Tahir and just batter Berhardien
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 06, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
If the umpire can't get it right just hit the stumps. Collapse on? Seen it before on slow low wickets. Another failure for stokes on wickets that aren't flat

If South Africa had a couple of decent spinners no way would England get close to this score. Tahir's bowled some pies.

All down to buttler and hales
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 03:14:12 PM
Hales gone for 99. He's got a 99 in ODI and T20I
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 06, 2016, 03:14:48 PM
Jug avoidance!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 06, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
This is too tight!! Not sure England will get home :/ I hope him wrong though


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
I think this guy Abbott is a real top class bowler. If it wasn't for South Africa being stacked with world class quicks he'd be a lock to play every game.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 03:32:23 PM
That was a big over! 16 runs off that over puts England in front.
But England are always capable of making hard work of these chases!!!!  :o
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 06, 2016, 03:36:20 PM
Buttler!!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Padders_22 on February 06, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
Buttler!!!

Proper shots!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 06, 2016, 03:37:34 PM
Jos Buttler didn't fancy a tight finish then!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 06, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
Ok - the fat lady is absolutely warming her voice up and is getting close to singing!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 06, 2016, 03:38:19 PM
It's all over. Easy in end..............  2 nil
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 06, 2016, 03:38:41 PM
And Moeen Ali has saved Jos Buttler a jug!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 06, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
Buttler! That's one way of showing ponting that he isn't a back up overseas batsman. How poor has Tahir been on a turning wicket!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 06, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
Why is Broad doing a John Terry?
He didn't even play but is out shaking hands in his fill kit  ???
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 06, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
Why is Broad doing a John Terry?
He didn't even play but is out shaking hands in his fill kit  ???
#FullKit****** 😂😂😂
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 06, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
I want to marry Jos Buttler. How do I do this?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 06, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
I want to marry Jos Buttler. How do I do this?
Just ask him mate, he always comes across as a polite, accommodating lad I'm sure he wouldn't turn you down.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 06, 2016, 10:32:12 PM
Brilliant to watch Jos playing like this-rewind six months and he was wondering if he could still bat during our summer.
Breathtaking talent -interesting Alex stewArt on sky when asked if he could play test cricket again soon said it was an easy answer: play bairstow as a batsman.....butler as keeper batsman.. Time will tell I'm sure(compton would have to move up and no hales thou as a guess)

He also comes across in interview as a genuinely modest cricketer unlike some of our players from recent times,no names of course: the one that said this is 'your country not mine' broad Anderson Swann

 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 11:56:21 AM
Roy is an idiot
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 09, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Absolutely sauntered the first.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
Roy run out was stupid.


Hales and root jogged along but have picked up the pace, and with abit of luck both going well and 50 each.

300 plus on the cards, which has never been chased down here.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 01:20:44 PM
And the second time today no pictures from south Africa on sky, and no rolling coverage on cricinfo.

And bbc text service is over by over. What century we in here?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: RightArmLedge on February 09, 2016, 01:25:30 PM
And the second time today no pictures from south Africa on sky, and no rolling coverage on cricinfo.

And bbc text service is over by over. What century we in here?
From Cricinfo 'More technical issues, I'm afraid, the feed has gone down from Centurion. We shall muscle through as best we can!' - Hopefully this will be rectified soon!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
Hales gone, send for the Buttler!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 01:28:20 PM
And then he's gone.

Seriously shambolic from the home rights holder, don't get these issues at home...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 01:51:43 PM
Not sure Angus Fraser would make a good full time commentator. Analysis yes. Ball by ball chit chat. No
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
Eoin Morgan forgotten it's ODI cricket
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 02:19:09 PM
Joe Root = God
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 02:22:47 PM
Eoin Morgan forgotten it's ODI cricket

Joe Root hasn't!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 02:26:50 PM
how good is this lad?

best thing to come out of Sheffield since The Human League

 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 02:27:46 PM
how good is this lad?

best thing to come out of Sheffield since The Human League

 :)
Not as good as SPD Smith but not too far behind  ;)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 02:32:55 PM
Not as good as SPD Smith but not too far behind  ;)

I've watched a lot of Smith in the last couple of years. To be honest I think Root is in a different class to Smith. With Smith's technique his purple patch will end and he will be back to being average.

Good player don't get me wrong, very good on current form but is he equipped to last long term?  :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
Not as good as SPD Smith but not too far behind  ;)

Smith is doing exceptionally well and may prove me wrong but I'd still rather have Root or Williamson, they stand out as a class apart from Smith in my opinion.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 02:40:45 PM
Brace yourselves lads, they're pushing the gears up!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
Excellent innings from door. Shame the way he went. Village running! Lol
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 09, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Excellent innings from door. Shame the way he went. Village running! Lol

I'd say he did everything but door it!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 02:53:48 PM
Ginger ninja! Is to his fifty. @WalkingWicket37 will be getting overexcited!!


Ali gone though. I wanna see Willey beast it.





Oh wait coverage has gone for the third time. So went get to see zip!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
Why do we bat Jordan over Willey? Really don't understand
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
Why do we bat Jordan over Willey? Really don't understand

I have no idea, with 3 overs left Willey's dirty farmyard slogs are exactly what I want to see!!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Kulli on February 09, 2016, 03:00:06 PM
I have no idea, with 3 overs left Willey's dirty farmyard slogs are exactly what I want to see!!!

To be fair Jordan can hit a long ball too, I'll be proper made if the send Rashid in ahead of him too!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 09, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
Ginger ninja! Is to his fifty. @WalkingWicket37 will be getting overexcited!!

Whenever he raises his bat, it causes my wood of another description to raise as the same time...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 09, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
Urgh, agree completely. Fed up of having to watch Jordan, no idea what he's supposed to offer ahead of Rashid or Willey, and frankly I'd rather they picked Gary Balance as a specialist bowler.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
England giving south Africa catching practice.

Do we not want to make 300??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rich041187 on February 09, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
Urgh, agree completely. Fed up of having to watch Jordan, no idea what he's supposed to offer ahead of Rashid or Willey, and frankly I'd rather they picked Gary Balance as a specialist bowler.

Must be a hell of a net player!! Rashid has never let us down in the lower order at hits it to weird places. Got to come in before Jordan as that's far more effective
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 09, 2016, 03:15:49 PM
So 318, is that good??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 03:20:44 PM
I've watched a lot of Smith in the last couple of years. To be honest I think Root is in a different class to Smith. With Smith's technique his purple patch will end and he will be back to being average.

Good player don't get me wrong, very good on current form but is he equipped to last long term?  :)
When exactly has Smith ever been 'average'? His first few Tests he was mugged off and played as a leg spinner. His batting record throughout all levels has been fantastic. Whether he maintains his average or not, he'll average 50+ when he's retires.

And I don't see Root being any class apart from Smith.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Must be a hell of a net player!! Rashid has never let us down in the lower order at hits it to weird places. Got to come in before Jordan as that's far more effective

his batting and bowling(neither!!) is really good enough is it?

one thing I would say.....in recent years have you ever seen a better fielder in an England shirt?
 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 03:31:35 PM
So 318, is that good??

Not sure really, I'd rather be in England's position though.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 03:32:02 PM

one thing I would say.....in recent years have you ever seen a better fielder in an England shirt?
 :)

M.Panesar
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 03:34:50 PM
When exactly has Smith ever been 'average'? His first few Tests he was mugged off and played as a leg spinner. His batting record throughout all levels has been fantastic. Whether he maintains his average or not, he'll average 50+ when he's retires.

And I don't see Root being any class apart from Smith.

he's scored runs, and heavy ones at that, long term I think, and it's my opinion respecting yours of course, that he will not be the great player everyone thinks.

If you accept pitches are flatter, there's no so much quality around bowling wise(as compared to the 80's or 90's) then you can put 5-10 runs on an average these days.

He's a good player don't get me wrong, but ive seen all the Aussies over the last 30 years and this guy won't match up to your other excellent players-langar,waugh,pointing,hayden,hussey etc.....

I could be wrong of course
 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 03:37:14 PM
M.Panesar

we miss him.  I remember Devon Malcolm thou. The glasses didn't help him. Quick thou,on his day....like sheet yourself quick.  :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 09, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
Also remember the England coach trying to change Devons action but I believe Devon told the coach were to go and it wasn't Tesco.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 09, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
he's scored runs, and heavy ones at that, long term I think, and it's my opinion respecting yours of course, that he will not be the great player everyone thinks.

If you accept pitches are flatter, there's no so much quality around bowling wise(as compared to the 80's or 90's) then you can put 5-10 runs on an average these days.

He's a good player don't get me wrong, but ive seen all the Aussies over the last 30 years and this guy won't match up to your other excellent players-langar,waugh,pointing,hayden,hussey etc.....

I could be wrong of course
 :)
I must agree with you Smiths technique is awful and im not quite sure how noone has seemed to bother to target his weaknesses early on
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 05:14:07 PM
The batting is excellent from Amla and de kock. It's looking very easy for SA.


Jordan looked like a school kid giving Amla throw downs earlier.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 05:36:12 PM
Well batted de Kock.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 05:42:50 PM
Just as Kohli is hunting down Tendulkar's 49 ODI hundreds. This kid de Kock looks to be giving it a good go as well. Already up to 10 hundreds
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 09, 2016, 05:57:51 PM
Just as Kohli is hunting down Tendulkar's 49 ODI hundreds. This kid de Kock looks to be giving it a good go as well. Already up to 10 hundreds

Beat kohli to ten apparently(although I believe that may be age rather than games, Nick knights commentary is poor at best)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 09, 2016, 06:01:47 PM
Beat kohli to ten apparently(although I believe that may be age rather than games, Nick knights commentary is poor at best)
Indeed Age only by a few days mind! I can probably be sure that Kohli plaued alot more ODIs in that time though
Well batted de Kock.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 09, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
We are not going to win this cricket match
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 09, 2016, 06:14:04 PM
It took Kohli 83 ODIs to reach 10 Tons including an innings which he DNB and 2 innings where the team DNB so 80 innings, QDK took 55 innings (including this).
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 09, 2016, 06:14:39 PM
YES HE IS OUT WE WILL WIN! Maybe... Not a chance...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Batbuddy99 on February 09, 2016, 06:21:11 PM
2 down 8 to go...!


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 09, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
When exactly has Smith ever been 'average'? His first few Tests he was mugged off and played as a leg spinner. His batting record throughout all levels has been fantastic. Whether he maintains his average or not, he'll average 50+ when he's retires.

And I don't see Root being any class apart from Smith.

He was massively average when messer flintoff took him apart. He was dropped and went back to shield cricket. He has changed his technique and since coming back has done very well Except when the ball is moving, then he looks avg again (same as most modern players). To sum up, again the back drop of modern players who are in the most part white ball players he is one of the best. Is he a patch on some players of yesteryear ?? No in my opinion but the game is more white ball orientated even in tests than before so tbh, you can't compare modern players with your pontings, heydens, langers, martyn etc.

Root is a different player to smith, totally different style. Root has just as many weaknesses as smith (outside off stump early on which as he keeps being touted as a top order bat is horrendous).

Both are modern batsmen so let's just judge them against those around now. Avg 50+ now is not comparable to a ponting/Lara/kallis etc
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 09, 2016, 08:25:15 PM
QDK is prolific when he gets going. He has been through a rough patch in 2015 and its good to see him comeback and lead the way. Gritty determination from both the openers to level the series. Giving up test captaincy seems to have freed Amla from shackles. Superb century today.

Now its time for england to come up with stocks in the next game ! Another Butler magic on cards then ??
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Calzehbhoy on February 09, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
QDK 10 ton in 55 games... That is some return!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 09, 2016, 08:31:47 PM
QDK 10 ton in 55 games... That is some return!
Yep as well as a brilliant conversion rate 10 tons, 5 50s
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Chris Jordan will surely now be axed? He's absolutely pony!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 08:57:18 PM
He was massively average when messer flintoff took him apart. He was dropped and went back to shield cricket. He has changed his technique and since coming back has done very well Except when the ball is moving, then he looks avg again (same as most modern players). To sum up, again the back drop of modern players who are in the most part white ball players he is one of the best. Is he a patch on some players of yesteryear ?? No in my opinion but the game is more white ball orientated even in tests than before so tbh, you can't compare modern players with your pontings, heydens, langers, martyn etc.

Root is a different player to smith, totally different style. Root has just as many weaknesses as smith (outside off stump early on which as he keeps being touted as a top order bat is horrendous).

Both are modern batsmen so let's just judge them against those around now. Avg 50+ now is not comparable to a ponting/Lara/kallis etc
Flintoff took him apart? Lay off the sauce my friend. Smith wasn't dismissed by Flintoff in the 2010/11 Ashes  ;)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
Chris Jordan will surely now be axed? He's absolutely pony!

You gotta presume here we(the mighty empire) are thinking a run out here, stunning catch or two could change a match
Stand to be corrected but I don't recall month Rhodes pulled up any trees with the bat but was a stunning fielder.
Some of the stuff Jordan can do is up there with Jonty....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 09:20:59 PM
You gotta presume here we(the mighty empire) are thinking a run out here, stunning catch or two could change a match
Stand to be corrected but I don't recall month Rhodes pulled up any trees with the bat but was a stunning fielder.
Some of the stuff Jordan can do is up there with Jonty....
I see what you're saying but can't see Jordan averaging anywhere near the 35ish that Rhodes did.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 09, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
I see what you're saying but can't see Jordan averaging anywhere near the 35ish that Rhodes did.

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Fair point I didn't know Jonty's stats...that's pretty good if it's 35 ish... I don't recall Rhodes bowling although Jordan is a bit buffet with the ball.before he hurt his back I believe Jordan was genuinely quick. It's a bit up and down now thou
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 09, 2016, 09:29:10 PM
I'd also say that Jonty had a strong team around him - England are not yet the finished article and can't afford to be carrying one member for his fielding alone.

His runs aren't needed and his bowling is currently not up to snuff. Hoik him out and give Broad or Woakes a trundle - nether would weaken the side from where it is now.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 09:30:31 PM
Don't think Rhodes bowled, someone else might be able to confirm though. My comparison isn't 100% fair either because Rhodes batted higher up the order than Jordan but my point stands haha! Jordan has some desirable attributes for white ball cricket (gun fielder, hits a long ball, seems to have a decent yorker) but at the moment he offers considerably less than Plunkett would.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 09, 2016, 09:32:50 PM
Rhodes' average of 35 might not seem 'world class' but SA used to have Boucher, Klusenar and Pollock whom could all smash it.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 09, 2016, 09:34:06 PM
Rhodes' average of 35 might not seem 'world class' but SA used to have Boucher, Klusenar and Pollock whom could all smash it.
Amen. I'd take 35 from my 6 with hitters coming at 7/8

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 09, 2016, 11:22:58 PM
I'd also say that Jonty had a strong team around him - England are not yet the finished article and can't afford to be carrying one member for his fielding alone.

His runs aren't needed and his bowling is currently not up to snuff. Hoik him out and give Broad or Woakes a trundle - nether would weaken the side from where it is now.
His runs?! What runs?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Saffers win toss and field. Broad and Woakes in, Jordan and Willey out.

I repeat, Stuart Broad is playing. Chris Jordan is not. THE HEAVENS HAVE OPENED.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 11:10:03 AM
No Willey  :(
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 11:11:16 AM
No Willey! Wtf
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 11:52:23 AM
Poor shot
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rich041187 on February 12, 2016, 11:55:00 AM
Pink bat stickers everywhereeeeeee
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 12, 2016, 11:56:02 AM
Joe Root has his pink gloves on and has come out with the pink NB stickers which we saw a couple of weeks ago, it'll be some marketing ploy by NB
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: dcullen8 on February 12, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
Joe Root has his pink gloves on and has come out with the pink NB stickers which we saw a couple of weeks ago, it'll be some marketing ploy by NB
Ever since the first pink Cancer Awareness grips came out theyve always been popular, i think that a pink range would actually sell well too!

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Hales 50 and out
Was there any need to try and put Tahir in the stands?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 12, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Tahir's been smashed this series yet still celebrates like a mug!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
Toe damage and a a dodgy tape jib on Captain Morgan's bat
Must be why he got out
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
Hahahahaha.

Tahir ran off like an idiot to celebrate and all his team mates ignored him.

They must think he's a mug too.



Not good for England this, all the talk of it being a 400 pitch and currently we look like getting nowhere near.

Atleast Willey will give it a smash...... Oh wait.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 01:02:07 PM
Oh no! Normal service resumed for England

Great catch by Amla, Imran Tahir making a tit of himself celebrating
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: SirScottiod on February 12, 2016, 01:02:54 PM
Tahir's been smashed this series yet still celebrates like a mug!

Hes making himself look a bit of a plum!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 01:10:14 PM
Think I may go find something else to watch here
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 12, 2016, 01:11:22 PM
Better hope woakes gets some runs today
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 12, 2016, 01:14:58 PM
100-5 Ali better bat properly!! Need another root special!


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Riddy on February 12, 2016, 01:23:21 PM
100-5 Ali better bat properly!! Need another root special!


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pro jynx fella.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 12, 2016, 01:24:27 PM
Yeah I'm just gonna stay quiet haha!


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Classic England...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 12, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
We'll write this one off then....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Number4 on February 12, 2016, 01:42:57 PM
They can't just throw this game away... They haven't won the series yet
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 02:11:46 PM
We would be so BOOGERED without Root
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 02:22:08 PM
We would be so (No Swearing Please) without Root

I think we are with him anyway today.


As everyone sees buttler as the white ball saviour and some would drop root form the t20 stuff.
It is interested looking at there relevant stats...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 12, 2016, 02:22:16 PM
We would be so (No Swearing Please) without Root

so much better than that steve smith  :)

Woakes could be getting himself a more permanent fixture too if he carries on instead of CJ ?

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Played Rooty lad...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 12, 2016, 02:40:42 PM
TON UP SON

he needs to see it thru thou and then unleash Broad
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
Root. Top lad! England's saviour.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 12, 2016, 03:06:28 PM
I'll take 260 odd after being 100-6.

This isn't over yet, South Africa could still dick this up!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 12, 2016, 03:15:18 PM
Not too clever from Rashid, you have 13 balls left and just a run a ball gets you 275. He has a slog instead and get's out. I know it's Topley at the other end but even so.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
Wet hey, once again Rashid does better than many of England actual batsmen but gets the blame for our poor total(or not drawing a test in Pakistan)


The forum does not like Rashid it seems!!


Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 12, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Wet hey, once again Rashid does better than many of England actual batsmen but gets the blame for our poor total(or not drawing a test in Pakistan)


The forum does not like Rashid it seems!!
Wasn't  blaming him for the total but in the situation  he could of pushed the ball around until the last over before having  a swing.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 03:49:48 PM
STUART
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 12, 2016, 05:12:34 PM
What the f is Hales doing at slip, jumped in front of Jordan too  >:(
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 12, 2016, 05:14:27 PM
COME ON LADS!!!!!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: mcgill123 on February 12, 2016, 05:18:24 PM
Why would you have you're worst fielder in the slips?.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 12, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
That's a bad call from the ump too, I know the reply shows umpires call so he gets away with it but that is dead for me.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sfa82 on February 12, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
AB'S bat profile resembles Warner's.  High middle and huge.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: mcgill123 on February 12, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
Commentators have said its Warners, not sure whether he got it from Warner or had it copied, safe to say it's not a kook.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
GAME ON
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 12, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
So, Woakes?  ;)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: mcgill123 on February 12, 2016, 05:50:59 PM
So, Woakes?  ;)
Gone from the whisper of the village to the talk of the town.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 12, 2016, 05:50:59 PM
So, Woakes?  ;)

UNDER-RATED

 :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 06:00:09 PM
DING DING DING RASH
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 06:32:40 PM
Toppers!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 06:46:51 PM
What an awful wide, but YES
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 06:48:52 PM
Benji! <3
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
I N G U R L U N D
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 06:52:36 PM
OH FFS
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 06:53:26 PM
Morris dropped. Toppers is making things happen now.
And there we all were saying we'd prefer Willey over Topley this morning!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Marc28 on February 12, 2016, 07:07:19 PM
Such a bad drop by Rashid
He got there easily poor drop and now being made to pay
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 12, 2016, 07:07:19 PM
Adil Rashid is a dreadful fielder. Could cost England dearly
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 12, 2016, 07:12:32 PM
Rashid  drop and woakes awful over has cost us this game and possibly  the series.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 12, 2016, 07:13:30 PM
Very poor execution at key times by England here, 3 dropped catches, couple of missed run outs, very costly.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 12, 2016, 07:13:42 PM
Chris 'the million dollar man' Morris with a sensational innings.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: uknsaunders on February 12, 2016, 07:13:47 PM
That said broad bowling  half volleys doesn't  help!

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 12, 2016, 07:14:50 PM
Why can't no one nail a Yorker?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 07:16:11 PM
Bowl at the f-ing stumps!  >:(
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: jwebber86 on February 12, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
why is broad in the odi team.

whats the point of bowling outside the stumps abbott isnt going to play any shots
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: liscon12 on February 12, 2016, 07:18:24 PM
Thank you Stokes that's how you bowl a yorker
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: jwebber86 on February 12, 2016, 07:19:30 PM
morris has won this.

rashid's dropped catch cost a lot here
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 07:20:48 PM
Bad fielding and crap bowling have cost England here.

It's may be cliché, but it's also fairly simple - catches win matches!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 12, 2016, 07:20:55 PM
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, the New Old New New England
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: procricket on February 12, 2016, 07:22:54 PM
bloody hell it cricket it happens good luck England next game ....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 07:24:11 PM
Rashid to concede the winning run having dropped the game

Wait, as I typed that
BOWLED HIM!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: jwebber86 on February 12, 2016, 07:24:15 PM
rashid what an inspired change
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 12, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
About 5 overs too late Morgan
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: mcgill123 on February 12, 2016, 07:25:29 PM
Woeful fielding from England, real school boy stuff, three simple catches, easy missed stumping and at least two missed run outs, should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 12, 2016, 07:27:34 PM
2-2 with one to go

England somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory there  :(
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Alvaro on February 12, 2016, 07:31:40 PM
Great game of cricket. You win some, you lose some.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 12, 2016, 09:14:30 PM
Good game of cricket.


Interesting to watch Morris destroy the pace attack, but then Have no idea whatsoever regarding a Googly.

Does he not face Tahir in the nets?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Alvaro on February 12, 2016, 09:17:13 PM
Think he wanted to win it with a six and got a rush of blood.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 13, 2016, 05:17:23 AM
Good game of cricket.


Interesting to watch Morris destroy the pace attack, but then Have no idea whatsoever regarding a Googly.

Does he not face Tahir in the nets?

Tahir might be bowling juicy full tosses at nets ...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 13, 2016, 05:18:23 AM
Feel sorry for Joe Root though ... Back to back centuries and both games were a loss.

Rashid dropping Morris was turning point of the chase. Until then the game belonged to England ...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 08:22:28 AM
Well thats a dreadful start
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Thesmiff on February 14, 2016, 08:23:32 AM
I could be wrong but I'd be reviewing that ... new ball bounce
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
Roy doesn't look the same as he did against the Aussies at home.

Is he injured? Has he been injured? Or just not an away player?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2016, 08:37:00 AM
Roy has been injured (back) but needs to work on his defence-you have still got to get in

Big drop from amla !!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 08:38:05 AM
Another dreadful umpiring decision
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 08:39:16 AM
Worst decision I've ever seen, can you imagine if you got that on a Saturday!!!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 08:40:53 AM
This umpire had been a joke all series!
He's like that bloke who doesn't get many runs on a Saturday and is sent out to umpire, then gives everything out because he wants to go home early...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2016, 08:43:18 AM
Red card for the umps !!  :)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Thesmiff on February 14, 2016, 09:03:34 AM
That's another shocker. Stevie Wonder would give that out
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
This feels like game over already
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 09:04:23 AM
How is this guy an umpire. That was plum
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Thesmiff on February 14, 2016, 09:05:56 AM

This umpire had been a joke all series!
He's like that bloke who doesn't get many runs on a Saturday and is sent out to umpire, then gives everything out because he wants to go home early...
we had a league umpire that used the bus to get to games. Anybody batting after 6pm was struggling as he didn't want to miss the last bus
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
Five in a row for hales!! Another fifty up.


And to think many didn't believe he'd even be an odi player after his tough start against India.......
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 14, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Hales, Stokes and Butler are key to posting a big total ....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2016, 09:48:34 AM
We need 350 cos we sure can't defend anything!

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 14, 2016, 09:50:23 AM

We need 350 cos we sure can't defend anything!

350 is possible. Hales and stokes are making sure scorecard is on the move. Time for butler magic !!


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Thesmiff on February 14, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
Someone needs tell Morgan it's ok to play yourself in. Another shocking shot having just walked in
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Someone needs tell Morgan it's ok to play yourself in. Another shocking shot having just walked in

Exactly... Whatever level your at surely you need at least a couple of overs to sight it?
Hales always seems to play himself in for a while
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
Oh look, another collapse
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 10:06:29 AM
England go from looking like we'd make 300 plus to struggling to 250 again!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Disco on February 14, 2016, 10:08:34 AM
Moeen batting with his trousers tucked into his socks? Village!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 10:10:23 AM
Moeen batting with his trousers tucked into his socks? Village!

Why crickets a dying game in one post. #mustsledge #noonecanstepoutofline


Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
Another collapse, quick let's suggest a load of knee jerk changes!

Roy hasn't had a great series, best drop him for Vince who's around the squad and opens in One Day games for Hampshire.

Morgan keeps throwing his wicket away, drop him for Taylor and get Root as captain!

Buttler hasn't done anything for the last 3 innings, he's no good! Drop him and get Bairstow in the One Day side to replace him.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
And to think many didn't believe he'd even be an odi player after his tough start against India.......

And to think, buttler can't even keep a straight ball out. To think some believe he's world test class batsmen 🙈

Hales has always been a white ball player, I doubt anyone thought he wouldn't do ok a white ball stuff (purple patch currently)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 10:16:01 AM
And to think, buttler can't even keep a straight ball out. To think some believe he's world test class batsmen 🙈

Hales has always been a white ball player, I doubt anyone thought he wouldn't do ok a white ball stuff (purple patch currently)

Re hales, India had him that season with the in duckers, lots of talk on here and in the press r.e if he can't keep the Indians out how is he gonna compete against pace of Australia and SA. In his defence he's worked on it and the purple patch showing, it's coming good.


Buttler imo isn't a test player, and I don't understand why he's tagged as our saviour in white ball. His record is poor compared to root. Yet many on here want root dropped from t20.

When he comes off he comes off! No denying that, but for consistency, give me Ron weasley any day.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
Why crickets a dying game in one post. #mustsledge #noonecanstepoutofline

Man has a point (smiley that is)

Feel for Roy tbf, he's obviously not 100% fit and it's probably affecting him. Still, this is ODI cricket, these players are hit or miss players so collapses and poor games are to be expected.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 AM
Buttler is a slogger. Nothing more nothing less. Considering 90% of limited overs pitches are roads these days he'll be able to slog rapid hundreds every now and then. He can't build an innings. There's never been a player whom can slog for an extended period eg 30-35 overs.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
Re hales, India had him that season with the in duckers, lots of talk on here and in the press r.e if he can't keep the Indians out how is he gonna compete against pace of Australia and SA. In his defence he's worked on it and the purple patch showing, it's coming good.


Buttler imo isn't a test player, and I don't understand why he's tagged as our saviour in white ball. His record is poor compared to root. Yet many on here want root dropped from t20.

When he comes off he comes off! No denying that, but for consistency, give me Ron weasley any day.

Jesus, gonna agree with all you've said 😜🙈👌👍🔫

Hales does appear to have worked hard on the inswing issue tbf, good job for team England he's in some form. Not that I like this format but felt it was a perfect stage for stokes to perform, given he had time to get in before teeing off

Guys know I hate slogging but buttler is better than a slogger, he's no Faulkner or Andre Russell. He is a hitter, nothing more and has some inventive shits which work well with field restrictions. Got to give him kudos for it
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 10:25:08 AM
Jesus, gonna agree with all you've said 😜🙈👌👍🔫

Hales does appear to have worked hard on the inswing issue tbf, good job for team England he's in some form. Not that I like this format but felt it was a perfect stage for stokes to perform, given he had time to get in before teeing off

Guys know I hate slogging but buttler is better than a slogger, he's no Faulkner or Andre Russell. He is ahitter, nothing more and has some inventive shits which work well with field restrictions. Got to give him kudos for it

You do talk a load of crap  ;)
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
You do talk a load of crap  ;)

Ooppss
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:42:23 AM
Oh dear, fearless cricket is fine but at some point use your brain and play to the match situation. Meh, white ball stuff so meh
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Batbuddy99 on February 14, 2016, 10:43:41 AM
How has that not been tagged as (no swearing please)?


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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 14, 2016, 10:52:05 AM
Pretty much throwing this away now!

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 10:52:12 AM
Fearless cricket should be rebranded moronic cricket. Even when Australia where undisputed ODI kings and they played an aggressive style they didn't just go out a slog wildly. England can't adapt to the situation. Not every pitch is a 400 run feast.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
Fearless cricket should be rebranded moronic cricket. Even when Australia where undisputed ODI kings and they played an aggressive style they didn't just go out a slog wildly. England can't adapt to the situation. Not every pitch is a 400 run feast.

Modern way, the great Aussie side were freaks. The current Aussie side is just as hit and miss.. As is India etc. White ball stuff now is all or nothing, there is no thinking in that sense, it's not entertaining remember unless it's 360 vs skittled
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 11:02:53 AM
Batted hales, best I've seen him play as its been almost proper cricket..

Ah, that shot after the 100 is not what I want to see.. Dirty

Ffs, and the next.. DONT GIVE IT AWAY, aim himself at 4/5 an over and ensure 250. SA haven't bowled well so there is at least a glimmer of hope
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:06:48 AM
Don't rate Hales at all but he's played pretty decently today and throughout the series.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 11:09:13 AM
Don't rate Hales at all but he's played pretty decently today and throughout the series.

Burns? Finch? Both worse players tbf to hales. Faulkner....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
Burns? Finch? Both worse players tbf to hales. Faulkner....
Dream on pal. Finch has hales covered in ODI/T20 cricket. Burns has Test hundreds, comeback when walking wicket Hales can say the same.

You really got the man love for Faulkner? He's a bowler.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 14, 2016, 11:21:20 AM
Dream on pal. Finch has hales covered in ODI/T20 cricket. Burns has Test hundreds, comeback when walking wicket Hales can say the same.

You really got the man love for Faulkner? He's a bowler.

Burns has test 100 vs?? A pathetic wi?

Lol

Meh, all are not great so tbh I couldn't care less. Hales gone, 250 gone, game gone
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 14, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Criminal to get bowled out with 5 overs to spare! Brainless cricket!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Burns has test 100 vs?? A pathetic wi?

Lol

Meh, all are not great so tbh I couldn't care less. Hales gone, 250 gone, game gone
1 vs WI
1 vs NZ

Hales would struggle to get a Test hundred against Bangladesh...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:28:59 AM
Pitch seems to holding up and there's some spin. Problem for England is both their spinners are rubbish.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 14, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
Pitch seems to holding up and there's some spin. Problem for England is both their spinners are rubbish.
I'm not sure Rashid is that much worse than Tahir on current form.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
I'm not sure Rashid is that much worse than Tahir on current form.

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Tahir turned it around in the last two matches 6/95. Probably saved his career.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 14, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
Criminal to get bowled out with 5 overs to spare! Brainless cricket!
What was criminal was Butler's shot!

What international batsman cant play a forward defensive with bat and pad together, seriously?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 14, 2016, 11:34:53 AM
Tahir turned it around in the last two matches 6/95. Probably saved his career.
That's fair, he was garbage in the previous games though, looked a far cry from where he was 12/18 months back.

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 14, 2016, 11:37:00 AM


Probably saved his career.

You lot are so dramatic! I dont think a bloke with an average of 24 in ODIs and 15 in T20s is going to get dropped very quickly

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 11:39:39 AM

You lot are so dramatic! I dont think a bloke with an average of 24 in ODIs and 15 in T20s is going to get dropped very quickly
South Africa are rebuilding and are looking for balance.

Tahir is a world class limited overs spinner(so his record suggests) but he's 37 and he can't bat or field very well. South Africa can't afford too many passengers
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: beaver5 on February 14, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Our batting in the last few games have shown what a strange decision it's been to leave Taylor out.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
TOPPERS
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: rickjames on February 14, 2016, 12:49:45 PM
YES REECE YES
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
And again.

Buttlers forwar defend e was attrotious.


But Faf just tried to drive his first ball and got nowhere near it.

Rousow giving catching practice.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 12:50:24 PM
Not sure how he does it but Topley has 3 wickets
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: ppccopener on February 14, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
Left arm swinging back in you always have a chance
We need one more here thou these two are class
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: csnew on February 14, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
Wow that's a massive no ball from stokes! A certain test at lords springs to mind
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 01:08:40 PM
Ben Stokes doing an Amir there!  :o
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: petehosk on February 14, 2016, 01:26:51 PM
1 vs WI
1 vs NZ

Hales would struggle to get a Test hundred against Bangladesh...
Very few people are interested in your pathetic opinions!!
You only surface in this topic to stir things up so crawl back under your rock like a good little boy!
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Woodyspin on February 14, 2016, 02:12:49 PM
Very few people are interested in your pathetic opinions!!
You only surface in this topic to stir things up so crawl back under your rock like a good little boy!
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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
How was that umpires call, it was over half the ball hitting the stumps  ???
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
David Wiese has an interesting mixture of kit.
The blue (Michael Clarke?) Spartan bat with Chris Gayle gloves.

Is he actually sponsored, of did he get a load of Spartan kit from the bargain bin at Mr Price Sport?
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: thegowerwaft on February 14, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
David Wiese has an interesting mixture of kit.
The blue (Michael Clarke?) Spartan bat with Chris Gayle gloves.

Is he actually sponsored, of did he get a load of Spartan kit from the bargain bin at Mr Price Sport?

Have a like! I now have the mental image of him ordering a weight ranged bat from prodirect and getting, nearly, matching gloves from sports direct. All that is missing is slazenger trousers that are a few cms too short.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 04:56:54 PM
AB de Villiers showed England's wannabes an ODI masterclass today. Perhaps the greatest ODI player of all time.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Aussie In England on February 14, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Very few people are interested in your pathetic opinions!!
You only surface in this topic to stir things up so crawl back under your rock like a good little boy!
Do mummy and daddy know that little Peter is using the adult toys again? Jog on pal.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Marc28 on February 14, 2016, 05:36:30 PM
Thought hales played really well again just a pity that so many others let him down.

Morgan woeful shot.
Stokes again in and out
Butler from world beater to egg beater
Moeen poor from someone who bats so well domestically
Rashid didn't need to play thatshotafter adding 8 from the previous balls
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: sanredrose on February 14, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
Great innings from both AB and Hales. It was a delight to watch them bat however it was frustrating to see their teammates wreck the other end of the batting ... 270 or something would have been a good score to defend on this wicket. England gunned for 300 and crashed at 230. SA middle order almost choked the chase but their captain rescues them finally ... Well done SA to win three games back to back and take the series.

Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: edge on February 14, 2016, 07:27:03 PM
Days like today show why we need to find a way to fit Taylor in the side, he judges a pitch and what a good total is better than anyone else we've had for years. Gunning for massive scores is awesome and all, but a middle order player who can take charge when it's not possible is a vital part of a team that can win in all conditions! Should be Morgan's job but it's difficult to judge a pitch when you're back in the pavilion where he's spent most of this series...
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: smilley792 on February 14, 2016, 07:32:33 PM
On this series Morgan would be the one to make way for Taylor.


Dependant on roots back and his want to bowl, I'd drop Ali for Taylor. Put Taylor at five and move stokes and buttler down one.

You can still send buttler in early if we are on 200 odd for not many with 25 left.


I'd like Willey back in, probably jus play one of broad or woakes. Hordan can go back to county cricket.
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 14, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
Taylor would be pretty much my first name on the team sheet, I don't know why he gets mucked around so much, barring maybe Root he's the only batsman we have who knows how to pace a one day innings. It's all very well having a middle order who can all hit 60 ball tons but they're never gonna do it every time and when none of them come off we fall considerably short. That being said I'm not sure who to drop to get him in? Ali and move everyone down one? Flexible batting order with Buttler/Morgan at 4 if there's a platform, Taylor at 4 if not?

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Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: Roaster323 on February 14, 2016, 08:24:18 PM
What WAS that shot from Morgan? He almost fell over trying to reach a ball that should have been left for dead....
Title: Re: England vs south Africa odi series
Post by: FattusCattus on February 14, 2016, 08:54:58 PM
I'd like Willey back in,

Wouldn't we all?  :D