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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Newbery => Topic started by: Tom on September 08, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
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Couple of pictures sneaking out of Lord's via their Twitter page
There's the Force, Triumph and the blue bat which look to be new
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We've never met, but I like you Tom
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How can a company go from being so classy, producing the most in demand bat stickers in their Cadbury range, go to producing bats that wouldn't look out of place in a kids beach cricket set. Not a fan in case you hadn't guessed
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This is very good
Both the kit and the fact that Newbery is giving us access
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Not a fan of the orange, the rest of the range looks decent though, you can tell they're bound to be quality sticks mind.
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Oh my eyes!!!
Two thoughts. Force is bright. Fire the dude on grip duty!
Looks like that is the grip design but also looks like a dodgy grip application.
Some of the colours look interesting. Is that hanging bat a triumph? What is the light blue bat?
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Do I not like orange... (graham Taylor, 1993)
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Quite like these, not sure about the blue rinse labelling though.
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Newbery have lost the plot IMO - used to be one of the epitomes of style, now just look like cheap asian imports!
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WTF is that sparkly blue monstrosity on the right?
Not a fan of the re-vamped Newbery branding at all.
They used to ooze class, like a classic suit. Sticking to the clothing theme, they now remind me of a bloke having a mid life crisis. He may think buying a flash car and "trendy" clothes makes him look cool, but to everyone else it looks like a sad attempt to appeal to a younger audience!
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Grip above the counterbalance on the force... Schoolboy!
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Shocking attention to detail on the grip front, msaying that my Blitz came with a random non matching grip.
Opposite end of the spectrum from GMs 2017 range looks wise in my opinion.
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The thing I've never really understood is that GM and Newbery make their bats in a very similar way (admittedly the Newbery machine is older, having originally made Slazenger bats) but both are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in marketing them.
One is all about saying how they are handmade, whereas the other is keen to mention how high tech and DXM it is.
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Blue bat is called the Infinity
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What happened to the @StrettonFox Sports / Newbery collaboration?? Only thing I was genuinely looking forward to!
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Wow, those stickers are absolutely horrendous.
I love seeing progression and updated branding (GM have done this well) but newbery have always stood for quality, producing high class bats but their change in styling over the past couple of years has put me off buying their bats. I've had 3 bats in the past with the black/gold stickers and they looked timeless.
They're probably trying to appeal to the hit and giggles t20 market now, but in my opinion they've gone way backwards.
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I'M gonna put some positives out there for Newbs on this. Slightly worryingly Cam @WalkingWicket37 seems to be referring to some sort of mid-life crisis, nearing the half century mark myself but so far I've not started listening to Drake(mofo)/got myself an open top sports car and have a blonde sort on the side. If this is to come GOD DAAAAAM bring it on !!
The white stickers look good, as do the red ones, as do the near transparent ones-although they won't advertise the brand much.Bypassing the orange swizzle stick one.
I suspect like most of us kit and bat buyers we grew up with quality, having a Newbery bat was the ultimate, many times I've driven to the Hove shop to get one.
Sooooo.. I hope they return to being one of the best brands out there.
That's very diplomatic don't ya think?
:)
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Ooops - put in GN thread by mistake.
Was just wondering if any of you guys there had seen any thing of the Stretton Fox collaboration - wasn't that suppose to be with Newbury?
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Having whistled past the stand this morning and taking only a glance, the orangey stickers do not look nice at all, they cheapen the brand and make it look a bit of a novelty. They also don't work too well on the softs.
The nearly transparent stickers look much nicer, but the blue on the new blue bat looks the most fantastic.
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Oh - and the Quantum stuff looked the nuts too!
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I'm with @Percy stretton fox.
I need some sexy new pads, gloves thigh pad and if i need all that i may as well buy a bat from the same place
so where is the strettonbery hybrid (angry face)
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I quite like the blue
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Force is definitely not with the blinding chewing-gum orange!!!
There was nothing wrong with their branding, why such a drastic turn I wonder.
Their Kudos bats were just killers, both in looks and performance . GT was another beaut.
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The thing I've never really understood is that GM and Newbery make their bats in a very similar way (admittedly the Newbery machine is older, having originally made Slazenger bats) but both are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in marketing them.
One is all about saying how they are handmade, whereas the other is keen to mention how high tech and DXM it is.
Tim Keeley doesn't make Newbery bats?
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Newbery do outsource to Tim/Nick's company. However they don't make any bats really these days totally by hand, they use CNC - their machine is an earlier version of GM's (which they purchased from Slazenger when Slazenger moved production away from Yorkshire)
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Tim Keeley doesn't make Newbery bats?
Tim Keeley owns a CNC machine from what I believe, hence being able to make quite so many bats each year
Edit: Tom beat me to it!
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you learn something new every day on the forum.
I always presumed TK worked at/was in charge of Newbery....
just presumed all the years!
:)
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This is their machine.
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you learn something new every day on the forum.
I always presumed TK worked at/was in charge of Newbery....
just presumed all the years!
Tim/Nick used to run Newbery, they sold the brand a while back and carried on manufacturing under a different banner. Newbery these days are 'just' a brand, albeit one with a great heritage and naturally close links to the Keeley brothers.
Splice Investments which bought Newbery, also own MKK, and are a consortium made up of a number of city boys. Believe they're something to do with Cenkos Securities, hence the bat named after them.
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This is their machine.
That's a thing of beauty
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Really don't like the new range at all from being so classy to this they really don't do anything for me really disappointed that newbery look like a cheap brand in my opinion now
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Newbery do outsource to Tim/Nick's company. However they don't make any bats really these days totally by hand, they use CNC - their machine is an earlier version of GM's (which they purchased from Slazenger when Slazenger moved production away from Yorkshire)
Looks like its time to start the pressing vs profiling thread ;)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Newbery_Cricket/status/774509268045365248
Quantum softs actually look quite nice
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The new range of stickers are terrible. They should never have changed their classic design.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Newbery_Cricket/status/774509268045365248
Quantum softs actually look quite nice
Seems the quilted top hat has caught on...wonder where I've seen that before 🤔
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Quilted top hats been done for at least 8 years by Robinson's, what Kookaburra have done with their top hat looks interesting
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Did BAS make these products for Newbery? Color scheme of the bat is an exact replica of BAS BOW 20-20.
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The thing I've never really understood is that GM and Newbery make their bats in a very similar way (admittedly the Newbery machine is older, having originally made Slazenger bats) but both are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in marketing them.
One is all about saying how they are handmade, whereas the other is keen to mention how high tech and DXM it is.
What I find Interesting about all this(and I've thought about it for a while). Is @ItsJustCricket and there current ethos on what bats they sell.
They sell newbery, who don't advertise they don't make there bats, and don't advertise there cnc made. Which is against there new business model. But still sell them.
They also have newbery make there platinum, but newbery don't make there bats, so ijc, get newbery, who get the Keeley brothers to cnc make there bats. And then ijc don't advertise this to there customers. So technically they shouldn't stock there own bats either.......
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What I find Interesting about all this(and I've thought about it for a while). Is @ItsJustCricket and there current ethos on what bats they sell.
They sell newbery, who don't advertise they don't make there bats, and don't advertise there cnc made. Which is against there new business model. But still sell them.
They also have newbery make there platinum, but newbery don't make there bats, so ijc, get newbery, who get the Keeley brothers to cnc make there bats. And then ijc don't advertise this to there customers. So technically they shouldn't stock there own bats either.......
Uh-Oh...
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For any growing company there comes a threshold when they can't afford to continue handshape the bats and will need to use CNC to meet the market demands, else employ dozens of skilled batmakers. In a country like India hiring is still viable but not in UK.
No matter how talented a batmaker is, it will still take between 15 - 30 minutes to bring a cleft into a shape with traditional tools before sanding.
Now look at the amount of bats these companies are producing and retailers are stocking. It is highly improbable that they are hand crafted.
Whether it is M&H, Newberry or even Salix.
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Wasn't it more about companies not saying where they were made and not that they were not hand made? Sorry if I have this wrong..,
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Salix 100% hand shape all of there bats!! AJK would never even consider cnc shaping or outsourcing his production.
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Having an ethos certainly seems to be a risky business.
People just want to pull it to bits.
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Salix 100% hand shape all of there bats!! AJK would never even consider cnc shaping or outsourcing his production.
Have had the opportunity and has always said his belief is in fully hand made bats.
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@SOULMAN1012 from 2 or 3 conversations I've had with him I can tell he'd never even consider it!. As you've seen him at work how quickly do you think he could make a bat from start to finish?
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@SOULMAN1012 from 2 or 3 conversations I've had with him I can tell he'd never even consider it!. As you've seen him at work how quickly do you think he could make a bat from start to finish?
A couple of hours from start to finish once the bat has been pressed and handle has been fitted and dried
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Im offended someone has suggested salix bats are not hand made. They most definitely are hand made!
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I have personally bought 20 part made from salix in 2012 all particular shape from cnc. They might be shaping their top range bats but it is extremely difficult to do all the grades by hand. Consider the volume of bats and amount of bats per day.
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3 bat makers work there!! If they make 3 bats each a day that's 45 a week , for 48 weeks a year! That's well over 2000 bats, more than achievable!!
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Does that include their junior bats as well then
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Salix machine them to about this level. From memory they do batch manufacturing, so will press a lot of clefts one day, machine them the next and then finish to order. It's a great way of making lots of bats by hand, as otherwise you'd be waiting around for glue to dry most of the time if you made 1 at a time!
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They do not use a CNC though, as far as I'm aware. I'd be interested to see why you think they do @mad_abt_cricket
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Hunts also have a machine that cuts several clefts at a time to a certain shape, I thought lots of manufacturers do this? It is not CNC though.
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Perhaps CNC was the wrong word I chose. Whatever machine they use is pretty accurate and close to the bat shape with the spine running down the toe. I have received partmades from other companies as well but they were more raw (bit of wood taken out from shoulder and toe). Also much thicker edges and it require much more work with the hand tools to bring to a final profile shape and size.
Nothing against Salix or any other company. I know how much hard work is involved. Just trying to emphasize that it is time consuming to shape and cleft in its original form with the hand tools and the only viable and logical solution is to use a machine in some form to take out uneccessary wood quickly.
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Copy lathe.
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Just to make my point clear. Following is a bat making video from Salix where AJK is shown handshaping the bat from a full cleft.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NnhTl05URFY
This I think is not practical anymore for a company like Salix except some top of the range bats or specific custom specs request from a customer.
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Copy lathe.
That's the one, was asking Tony about it a few months ago at county..
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Quite a few brands have them in order to do the leg work in getting the rough shape befor hand finishing them.
As has been discussed many times before it's a volume game where production needs to meet demand and it's not practical to make everything from scratch by hand.
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Oh i see what you mean. I wouldnt expect any bat maker to take a drawknife to a raw cleft. When you visit them he has part handled clefts, with a few bits cut out. We are digressing from newbury's stickers anyay. Always been told they are great bats but i've never used one and its unlikely i ever will. Particularly with the new stickers.
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So the force replaces the Krakatoa
https://mobile.twitter.com/Newbery_Cricket/status/774897561027174401
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So the force replaces the Krakatoa
https://mobile.twitter.com/Newbery_Cricket/status/774897561027174401
Arggggggh, my eyes!
You should have warned me to put sunglasses on before clicking the link!
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Aimed at the Yuffff market so it's going down the vibrant route as the Yuffffs like that type of stuff don't they?
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Aimed at the Yuffff market so it's going down the vibrant route as the Yuffffs like that type of stuff don't they?
"Yuffff" ? Young Urban Football Fan?