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Title: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 15, 2016, 12:37:27 PM
Well, we're talking around it anyway.  Mine:

A Cook
Williamson (c)
Root
Smith/Kohli
De Villiers
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Starc
Rabada
Shah
Steyn (if fit)/Boult
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: singapore rookie on November 15, 2016, 12:43:59 PM
Cook (c)
Williamson
Smith
Root
Kohli
De Cock (w)
Starc
Boult
Rabada
R Ashwin/ Shah
Steyn


Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: northernboy1987 on November 15, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
1: A Cook
2: D Warner
3: K Williamson*
4: J Root
5: S Smith
6: B Stokes
7: J Bairstow+
8: R Ashwin
9: M Starc
10: S Broad
11: J Anderson

Hard leaving out Steyn, AB and Kohli in particular! I was only going to pick one of Broad and Anderson but I'm English and I think they bowl so well together I'd shoehorn them both in there :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: edge on November 15, 2016, 01:03:57 PM
1 Cook
2 Warner
3 Williamson
4 Root
5 De Villiers
6 Stokes
7 De Kock
8 Shah
9 Rabada
10 Anderson
11 Boult

Serious tail, but shouldn't be a big problem with that top 7. Steyn would make it in but for the fact he can't get through a test match even when fit atm. Broad 12th man.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Rob580 on November 15, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
1. Cook
2. Warner
3. Root
4. Kohli
5. AB
6. Stokes
7. De Kock
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Anderson
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Mr_Orange on November 15, 2016, 01:19:47 PM
Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
ABD
Stokes
De Kock
Rabada
Starc
Herath
Anderson
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: northernboy1987 on November 15, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
ABD
Stokes
De Kock
Rabada
Starc
Herath
Anderson

Nice to see Herath in there, so underrated.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Mr_Orange on November 15, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
Nice to see Herath in there, so underrated.

I've edited a couple of times between Herath and Shah. Can't grumble at over 350 test wickets!
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: six and out on November 15, 2016, 01:27:29 PM
i will say that this side would could change quite a bit depending on where the Test was... but here is mine in general.... tried to get a mix of attack and defence, left and right etc...

1. Cook*
2. Warner
3. Williamson
4. Root
5. De Villiers
6. Stokes
7. De Kock+
8. Starc
9. Rababa
10. Anderson
11. Shah

12th man/2nd spinner - Herath
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
1. Warner
2. Amla
3. Williamson
4. Kohli (c)
5. de Villiers
6. Smith
7. de Kock (w/k)
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Steyn
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: csnew on November 15, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Didn't realise Williamson was an opener all of a sudden. Then again with Guptil, he's usually in within the first over anyway
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 15, 2016, 01:42:49 PM
Didn't realise Williamson was an opener all of a sudden. Then again with Guptil, he's usually in within the first over anyway

Sometimes needs must!
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: csnew on November 15, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Sometimes needs must!

Cheating! Might as well let AB keep then ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 15, 2016, 01:52:36 PM
cook
warner
root
kohli
bairstow
stokes
watling
ashwin
yasir
rabada
starc
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 15, 2016, 01:55:22 PM
Cheating! Might as well let AB keep then ;)

Thought about it tbh. Just figured the side might need his filthy dibbly dobblies...  :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 15, 2016, 01:56:09 PM
cook
warner
root
kohli
bairstow
stokes
watling
ashwin
yasir
rabada
starc

Ooh, YJB in as a batsman ahead of Williamson, Smith, AD and Amla.   :)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: wasted_talent on November 15, 2016, 02:02:27 PM
A Cook
Williamson (c)
Root
Kohli
Younis Khan
De Kock (w)
Stokes
Ashwin
Starc
Rabada
Shah

I think a seamer plus stokes attack is perfect
And then in Ashwin and Shah, 2 world class spinners.

And threw in the grit and steel of Younis Khan...! A true fighter  :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 15, 2016, 02:06:08 PM
Cook
Warner
Root
Kohli
Smith
Stokes
De kock
Ashwin
Starc
Rabada


That's ten, who would for me start and play any test anywhere.!

The last bowling spot depends on conditions,
Green tops - Anderson
Spin - mehedi

Amla and Williamson in the squad as back up batsmen.


No Abv as well he doesn't seem to play test cricket anymore. Not sure what the official line is but perosonaly think the politics have driven him out.

No steyn as he's injured and in my opinion done. He won't come back the steyn we once loved.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Mpt7 on November 15, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
1. Cook (c)
2. Williamson
3. Root (back up spinner :-p)
4. Kohli (back up bowler)
5. Stokes
6. bairstow
7. de quock (wk)
8. ashwin
9. yasir/herath
10. rabada
11. starc
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: alexhilly1492 on November 15, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
Ooh, YJB in as a batsman ahead of Williamson, Smith, AD and Amla.   :)

ive tried to compare role for roll so its more root ahead of williamson smith and amla and ab is injured, with the year yjb has had hes got to be in for me! id say watling would have caused more suprise tbh
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: GoodLeave on November 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
1. Cook
2. Warner
3. Root
4. Kohli
5. AB
6. Stokes
7. De Kock
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Anderson

Swap Anderson for Steyn.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: GoodLeave on November 15, 2016, 02:24:34 PM

7. de quock (wk)


Who!?  :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Mpt7 on November 15, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
Who!?  :D

gun...  ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: six and out on November 15, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
Cook
Warner
Root
Kohli
Smith
Stokes
De kock
Ashwin
Starc
Rabada


That's ten, who would for me start and play any test anywhere.!

The last bowling spot depends on conditions,
Green tops - Anderson
Spin - mehedi

Amla and Williamson in the squad as back up batsmen.


No Abv as well he doesn't seem to play test cricket anymore. Not sure what the official line is but perosonaly think the politics have driven him out.

No steyn as he's injured and in my opinion done. He won't come back the steyn we once loved.

Mehedi is a shout after 2 tests on absolute burners

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Rob580 on November 15, 2016, 02:37:16 PM
Mehedi is a shout after 2 tests on absolute burners

I hope to high heavens this is sarcasm.....
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: six and out on November 15, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Buzz on November 15, 2016, 03:42:16 PM
Have used the icc rankings as a guide for my team...

Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
Smith
Stokes (bias here)
YJB
Ashwin
Hereth
Starc
Steyn
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Alvaro on November 15, 2016, 03:58:53 PM
Have used the icc rankings as a guide for my team...

Cook
Warner
Williamson
Root
Smith
Stokes (bias here)
YJB
Ashwin
Hereth
Starc
Steyn

I would have Kohli over Smith, and Rabada over Steyn.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Buzz on November 15, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
I would have Kohli over Smith, and Rabada over Steyn.

I agree, but the rankings say otherwise.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Alvaro on November 15, 2016, 04:19:05 PM
KG has only played 10 tests, and Steyn looks finished.

 
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 15, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
Mehedi is a shout after 2 tests on absolute burners

I contemplated dropping Warner for hameed.......


The mehedi kids new, batsmen/coaches don't know him so hard to prepare for, and it'd be a Bunsen I'd be selecting him for. So why not.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 05:04:23 PM
KG has only played 10 tests, and Steyn looks finished.
Steyn was far from finished in the WACA Test was he? He was clocking up near 93mph. He simply redamaged his shoulder. If he came back in that Test and bowled 80mph then he might've 'been finished'. Bowling that rapidly proves he's along way from finished.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Alvaro on November 15, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
But that's another big injury in a year. I don't care what he clocked - have you not heard about raging against the dying of the light. I am for the young thruster, not someone who picks a Glamorgan pension boost over international cricket.

And Mitchell J was still bloody sharp when he decided he was done.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 15, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
To be fair, he played for Glamorgan because he didn't feel he needed the rest that he was being forced to take.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: CrickFreak on November 15, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
1. Warner
2. Amla
3. Williamson
4. Kohli (c)
5. de Villiers
6. Smith
7. de Kock (w/k)
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Steyn

I guess this is the best 11 IMO.
Cook appearing in every world XI  :o
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 15, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
1. Warner
2. Amla
3. Williamson
4. Kohli (c)
5. de Villiers
6. Smith
7. de Kock (w/k)
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Steyn

Lol, the dude who claims he isn't aus in England/Gerry SA in not picking a single English player shocker.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: CrickFreak on November 15, 2016, 10:03:07 PM
Lol, the dude who claims he isn't aus in England/Gerry SA in not picking a single English player shocker.

Kind of expected that post :D how about Jimmy in place of Rabada and Root for Smith?
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Righthand on November 15, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Anderson over Rabada and if if its all playing conditions Yasir over Ashwin.

1. Warner
2. Amla
3. Williamson
4. Kohli (c)
5. de Villiers
6. Smith
7. de Kock (w/k)
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Steyn
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 15, 2016, 10:15:44 PM
1. Warner
2. Amla
3. Williamson
4. Kohli (c)
5. de Villiers
6. Smith
7. de Kock (w/k)
8. Ashwin
9. Starc
10. Rabada
11. Steyn

This cheered me up after a miserable day.... Its all about opinions but Smith "flat track bully" over Ben Stokes at 6???   And Amala to open?? you still watching those re runs of Amala from 3 years ago Felix???  I could go on and seriously question a few of your other selections but I am sure your just being a WUM....
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Vitas Cricket on November 15, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
How is Amla anywhere near a current world eleven? His last 7 test/ODI innings have yielded 123 runs at an average of 17.5....
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:40:07 PM
I picked Amla because after nearly 100 matches he has an average of 50, couple with runs in pretty much all conditions. And his beard is epic.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Anderson over Rabada and if if its all playing conditions Yasir over Ashwin.
Yasir Shah is average. In England he took a 10fer and a 5fer yet still got pummelled. His average was over 40. Ashwin bats and bowls
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:43:55 PM
Kind of expected that post :D how about Jimmy in place of Rabada and Root for Smith?
Rabada bowling at 90+mph gets in ahead of Anderson. Starc is the swing bowler anyway in my side...he also launches them down at 90+mph.

Of Root's 11 Test 100s only 3 are away from home. Smith has more distribution between home/away 100s. Smith wins.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:45:35 PM
But that's another big injury in a year. I don't care what he clocked - have you not heard about raging against the dying of the light. I am for the young thruster, not someone who picks a Glamorgan pension boost over international cricket.

And Mitchell J was still bloody sharp when he decided he was done.
I doubt Steyn will be going penny less anytime soon, his career ipl earnings are in excess of $7m
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
This cheered me up after a miserable day.... Its all about opinions but Smith "flat track bully" over Ben Stokes at 6???   And Amala to open?? you still watching those re runs of Amala from 3 years ago Felix???  I could go on and seriously question a few of your other selections but I am sure your just being a WUM....
Steven Smith batting average 58
Ben Stokes batting average 35

Case closed.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: procricket on November 15, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Rabada bowling at 90+mph gets in ahead of Anderson. Starc is the swing bowler anyway in my side...he also launches them down at 90+mph.

Of Root's 11 Test 100s only 3 are away from home. Smith has more distribution between home/away 100s. Smith wins.

Rahane scores runs in every country
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Vitas Cricket on November 15, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
This logic suggests Voges should be in the team because he averages 70....
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Woodyspin on November 15, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
They also bat in a completely different position?? Smith cant bowl for (No Swearing Please), out of the whole australia team i honestly wouldn't have any of them in it. Mot an ounce of proper technique in any of them.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:58:19 PM
This logic suggests Voges should be in the team because he averages 70....
Averages about 500 against the West Indies...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 10:59:02 PM
Rahane scores runs in every country
Take out Kohli and stick him in then
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 15, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
They also bat in a completely different position?? Smith cant bowl for (No Swearing Please), out of the whole australia team i honestly wouldn't have any of them in it. Mot an ounce of proper technique in any of them.
Who cares if Smith can't bowl? I selected Steyn, Starc and Rabada as my fast bowlers. If they can't get 20 wickets the opposition must be pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Woodyspin on November 15, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
For the record, Stokes performs better away from home than he does at home and considering you spend 2/3 of the year away...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Woodyspin on November 15, 2016, 11:09:22 PM
Oh and Stokes averages more than Smith has this year, and has taken 26 wickets at just over 21 a piece, I'd have him in the side and have him as a gun fielder and extra bowling option for the most controlled reverse swing since Simon Jones.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: petehosk on November 15, 2016, 11:29:25 PM
Like we always say...play the players on form!
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: token on November 16, 2016, 12:04:52 AM
Is everyone aware that Kohli only averages 46 in test matches? That's behind both Pujara and Rahane in the current Indian team...

And not a single mention for Philander despite averaging 21 with the ball. Madness...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Nmcgee on November 16, 2016, 03:22:09 AM
Like we always say...play the players on form!

How far back are we looking? Smith and Kohli have about 1200 runs for 2016. Stokes is well below that figure.

How about a vote for Moeen Ali? He's had a huge year.

Bairstow must get the nod ahead of Quinny DeKock. As exciting as Quinton is, the sheer weight of runs means Bairstow is currently best.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on November 16, 2016, 03:40:55 AM
It seems not long ago that people on here didn't rate Jonny Bairstow as highly as Nick Compton. Now they seem to rate hin above AB de Villiers!
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Biggie Smalls on November 16, 2016, 07:29:03 AM
Warner
Root
Williamson
Abd
Smith
Stokes
De Kock
Starc
Herath
Rabada
Shah

Kohli , Rahane , Cook , Philander , Amla , Anderson , Ashwin , and a few others , are all very unlucky to miss out .
Just looking at my side......my two openers will have a lot to talk about between overs !
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 16, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Lets start from a firm base, and make changes if necessary

Cook*
Hameed Warner
Root
Duckett Kohli Williamson
Ali Smith
Stokes
Bairstow+ De Kock
Woakes Phillander
RashidStarc
Ansari  Harath
Broad Rabada
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Steven Smith batting average 58
Ben Stokes batting average 35

Case closed.

Steve Smith can't bowl and no where near as good a fielder. Now that is "case closed " my confused friend. Also can u look at his average when not playing on flat tracks...  Probably about 19... The same amount of 1st class wickets he has taken.

I love the banter with you Felix but sometimes you just need to admit your not a good judge of a world Xl
Simples...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 03:39:44 PM
Who cares if Smith can't bowl? I selected Steyn, Starc and Rabada as my fast bowlers. If they can't get 20 wickets the opposition must be pretty darn good.

Felix, Felix, Felix.. 1st rule of captaincy.. Give yourself as many bowling options as possible..
Smith or Stokes??! Hmm.... Certainly not one of your better days yesterday..   ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 03:41:13 PM
Steve Smith can't bowl and no where near as good a fielder. Now that is "case closed " my confused friend. Also can u look at his average when not playing on flat tracks...  Probably about 19... The same amount of 1st class wickets he has taken.

I love the banter with you Felix but sometimes you just need to admit your not a good judge of a world Xl
Simples...
Nothing wrong with Smith's fielding. Probably only Glenn Maxwell is better than him in Australia.

Stokes is a luxury player. Comes off one in a while. A guy that averages 58 is consistent. Not gonna average 58 without consistency scoring bucket loads of runs.

Now sod off you're testing my patience
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 03:41:43 PM
Felix, Felix, Felix.. 1st rule of captaincy.. Give yourself as many bowling options as possible..
Smith or Stokes??! Hmm.... Certainly not one of your better days yesterday..   ;)
Yeah I'm sure Stephen Waugh used to think I really need 5 bowlers...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Nothing wrong with Smith's fielding. Probably only Glenn Maxwell is better than him in Australia.

Stokes is a luxury player. Comes off one in a while. A guy that averages 58 is consistent. Not gonna average 58 without consistency scoring bucket loads of runs.

Now sod off you're testing my patience

You should be on stage.. A corpse could average 40+ on those Australian pitches... As for 2nd to only Glen Maxwell?  Big deal... I can think of 5 better fielders world wide better  than Maxwell..and Stokes is one of them.

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:02:03 PM
Yeah I'm sure Stephen Waugh used to think I really need 5 bowlers...

And your point is????

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 16, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Now sod off you're testing my patience

When you know the argument has been lost but your pride won't let you admit that...  ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
When you know the argument has been lost but your pride won't let you admit that...  ;)
When 35 is greater than 58, I understand you guys don't understands maths...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Rob580 on November 16, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
Now, now children...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
You should be on stage.. A corpse could average 40+ on those Australian pitches... As for 2nd to only Glen Maxwell?  Big deal... I can think of 5 better fielders world wide better  than Maxwell..and Stokes is one of them.
Joe Root couldn't...

AB is the best fielder so it's irrelevant as to who's hiding in his shadow...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: edge on November 16, 2016, 04:08:25 PM
It's sorted then!

World Test XI 2016:
1. AB De Villiers.

Job done.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Vitas Cricket on November 16, 2016, 04:08:45 PM
When 35 is greater than 58, I understand you guys don't understands maths...

Its a current world eleven, not a past performances world eleven.

Stokes averages 60 in 2016, Smith 56. Both have had 13 innings with Stokes amassing nearly 100 more runs.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 16, 2016, 04:08:59 PM
No one mentioned root? But you have to have a dig at the English. No matter what.


Welcome back Gerry/aus. Didn't take long.......... how sad life must be having to re-sign up to a forum over and over again pretending to be someone else.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:09:22 PM
It's sorted then!

World Test XI 2016:
1. AB De Villiers.

Job done.
11 ABs...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 16, 2016, 04:10:56 PM
Its a current world eleven, not a past performances world eleven.

Stokes averages 60 in 2016, Smith 56. Both have had 13 innings with Stokes amassing nearly 100 more runs.

He can't grasp the word current. Hence banging on about steyn constantly. 

"But he bowled one ball at 93mph this year , he must be picked"
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:12:20 PM
11 ABs...

You probably think he means Allan Border don't you Felix???
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
He can't grasp the word current. Hence banging on about steyn constantly. 

"But he bowled one ball at 93mph this year , he must be picked"
So the morons selecting Anderson don't understand the concept?
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Rob580 on November 16, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
Good to see this forum has descended into childish name calling.

Proper gone downhill lately.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:17:25 PM
You probably think he means Allan Border don't you Felix???
Probably still get into the Australian side...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
So the morons selecting Anderson don't understand the concept?


Geezz thats a bit harsh mate.. FWIW I didn't pick Jimmy.. Lol...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: edge on November 16, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
So the morons selecting Anderson don't understand the concept?
Anderson played 3 test match series this year, taking 37 wickets and averaging 20.51 with the ball in 9 games. Not fit at the moment admittedly, but not exactly the worst record. Hopefully there's more left in him yet, rumours of his demise have been greatly exaggerated so far.

Agreed @Rob580 , this topic has gone south very quickly... More posts about cricket anyone?



Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: ppccopener on November 16, 2016, 04:19:57 PM
anyone got G Ballance in ?

no...ok i'll stay out

 :)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 16, 2016, 04:23:05 PM
So the morons selecting Anderson don't understand the concept?

Steyns played 3 tests all year. And is out for 6months atleast.

Anderson has played 9 and took 37 wickets at 20 and is currently fit and available for selection.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: six and out on November 16, 2016, 04:24:02 PM
what about a...

Worst Current World Test XI?

who makes that team?

thoughts?
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:24:12 PM

Geezz thats a bit harsh mate.. FWIW I didn't pick Jimmy.. Lol...
Wasn't aimed at you. Other 'brain boxes'
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:24:36 PM
what about a...

Worst Current World Test XI?

who makes that team?

thoughts?
Ballance is the captain  ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:24:42 PM
Anderson played 3 test match series this year, taking 37 wickets and averaging 20.51 with the ball in 9 games. Not fit at the moment admittedly, but not exactly the worst record. Hopefully there's more left in him yet, rumours of his demise have been greatly exaggerated so far.

Agreed @Rob580 , this topic has gone south very quickly... More posts about cricket anyone?

Good point about Jimmy. Thought he struggled when he came back from his last injury. Took him a few games to get his rhythm and length right. Personally wouldn't play him tomorrow.
Would give Ball a go as Woakes meant to be a doubt. It's all about opinions and I don't mind listening to other people.. Just as long as they agree with what I say... :)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: edge on November 16, 2016, 04:24:49 PM
what about a...

Worst Current World Test XI?

who makes that team?

thoughts?
Australia? :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 16, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
He can't grasp the word current. Hence banging on about steyn constantly. 

"But he bowled one ball at 93mph this year , he must be picked"

And Amla
He hasn't scored a bean recently, but gets in because be averages over 50.
On that logic Gary Ballance should still make a World XI too...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: edge on November 16, 2016, 04:27:08 PM
Good point about Jimmy. Thought he struggled when he came back from his last injury. Took him a few games to get his rhythm and length right. Personally wouldn't play him tomorrow.
Would give Ball a go as Woakes meant to be a doubt. It's all about opinions and I don't mind listening to other people.. Just as long as they agree with what I say... :)
Yes agree completely, Jimmy's clearly still got it but on recent evidence he doesn't have the ability to come straight back firing after an injury anymore. I'd much rather give him a longer recovery spell than strictly necessary than rush him back for a couple of test matches below his best followed by another injury.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:27:19 PM
Wasn't aimed at you. Other 'brain boxes'

Cheers for that.  although Edgy came up with some good stats there about Jimmy. Personally thought no Steyn or Jimmy for me.
Believe someone called Stokes swings the ball a long way...

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 16, 2016, 04:27:27 PM
what about a...

Worst Current World Test XI?

who makes that team?

thoughts?

Burns
Warner
Khawaja   
Smith*
Voges
Ferguson
Nevill+
Mennie   
Starc   
Hazlewood
Lyon
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:30:26 PM
Yes agree completely, Jimmy's clearly still got it but on recent evidence he doesn't have the ability to come straight back firing after an injury anymore. I'd much rather give him a longer recovery spell than strictly necessary than rush him back for a couple of test matches below his best followed by another injury.

Shame they can't get him.a practice game whilst test is on.. My biggest worry is that he breaks down again. Would rather he stayed back in sunny Lancashire and get really fit to have one last glorious summer in 2017...

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Felix Tito on November 16, 2016, 04:31:18 PM
Cheers for that.  although Edgy came up with some good stats there about Jimmy. Personally thought no Steyn or Jimmy for me.
Believe someone called Stokes swings the ball a long way...
TBH if they are all gone get into a hissy over Steyn, I'd pick Rabada, Starc and Woakes...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: smilley792 on November 16, 2016, 04:32:10 PM
And Amla
He hasn't scored a bean recently, but gets in because be averages over 50.
On that logic Gary Ballance should still make a World XI too...

Amla had to quit the captaincy to buy a run against the English.


Speaking of, the South Africans who fielded 5 of the apparent best xi in the world, lost that series(at home) to an English side that dont have a single player worthy of being picked for said best xi.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 16, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
TBH if they are all gone get into a hissy over Steyn, I'd pick Rabada, Starc and Woakes...

Woakes...  this guy deserves everything he gets. One of the most improved cricketers since I 1st saw Steve Smith ( being honest)..
When I saw both guys for the 1st time I really thought   they wouldn't make it but both went away and have made themselves into excellent cricketers.
Both, however behind stokes on my current team sheet... Lol
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: felix on November 16, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
Welcome back Gerry/aus. Didn't take long.......... how sad life must be having to re-sign up to a forum over and over again pretending to be someone else.

...and hijacking my forum name  :( How did I deserve that?
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Number4 on November 17, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
Steve Smith can't bowl and no where near as good a fielder. Now that is "case closed " my confused friend. Also can u look at his average when not playing on flat tracks...  Probably about 19... The same amount of 1st class wickets he has taken.

I love the banter with you Felix but sometimes you just need to admit your not a good judge of a world Xl
Simples...

Steve Smith Averages:

West Indies 2015 - 141.50
England 2015 - 56.44
NZ 2015/16 - 131.00
Sri Lanka 2016 - 41.16
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 17, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Steve Smith Averages:

West Indies 2015 - 141.50
England 2015 - 56.44
NZ 2015/16 - 131.00
Sri Lanka 2016 - 41.16

Lol.. Great try but you keep missing the "flat tracks" part of the equation. Also the poor (very poor) West Indian attack. Infact take his double century out of the equation in England and his average is about 20 on that tour...
I have all admiration for how he has turned his batting around but in a current World Xl for me I would have an all rounder at 6. Steve Smith just isn't good enough on "proper test " wickets with either bat or ball compared to others.
Like I said, it's all about opinions BUT if people are going to quote stats then please can we have them in.the right context...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on November 17, 2016, 09:37:35 AM
As I can't really do this at work, and am out on the piss "at a networking event" tonight would someone else please put a side together, based purely on test stats from the start of 2016?

Lets go for a generic lineup of:
Top 5 are specialist batsman
All rounder at 6
Keeper at 7
numbers 8 to 11 bowlers

Would be interesting to see how that side looks compared to what those of us who actually watch cricket said...  ;)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Number4 on November 17, 2016, 10:21:10 AM
Lol.. Great try but you keep missing the "flat tracks" part of the equation. Also the poor (very poor) West Indian attack. Infact take his double century out of the equation in England and his average is about 20 on that tour...
I have all admiration for how he has turned his batting around but in a current World Xl for me I would have an all rounder at 6. Steve Smith just isn't good enough on "proper test " wickets with either bat or ball compared to others.
Like I said, it's all about opinions BUT if people are going to quote stats then please can we have them in.the right context...

So series averages don't count? Or do we go back to 2013 average in a series of 38.33 or maybe 2010 average of 31.80

Would you like to narrow down pitches played on... My god we could do that for practically any player.

Let's face it over his career on ALL tracks he averages 57.69

Let's look at wonder boy Joe Roots figures.... Some interesting reading there over a few series.

And you can look at stats and watch matches as well as actually play cricket. It's called backing up facts with figures

Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: tate035 on November 17, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
So series averages don't count? Or do we go back to 2013 average in a series of 38.33 or maybe 2010 average of 31.80

Would you like to narrow down pitches played on... My god we could do that for practically any player.

Let's face it over his career on ALL tracks he averages 57.69

Let's look at wonder boy Joe Roots figures.... Some interesting reading there over a few series.

And you can look at stats and watch matches as well as actually play cricket. It's called backing up facts with figures

And the facts are backed up by the figures. Steve Smith makes runs on mainly flat tracks.. Simple.

As for Root? I haven't mentioned him.. And yes it does matter what pitch it is played on. So what if it has to be done for every player.. It's possible with the amount of stats out there..
Why are you being so lazy by just trundling out the same boring stat based on mainly flat tracks and against poor bowling line ups??

It's easier to admit that Australia currently do not have a "top class " TEST MATCH batsman and haven't since the glory days  (ponting, s.Waugh, hayden etc)




Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: six and out on November 17, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
As I can't really do this at work, and am out on the piss "at a networking event" tonight would someone else please put a side together, based purely on test stats from the start of 2016?

Lets go for a generic lineup of:
Top 5 are specialist batsman
All rounder at 6
Keeper at 7
numbers 8 to 11 bowlers

Would be interesting to see how that side looks compared to what those of us who actually watch cricket said...  ;)

All done according to Cricinfo Stats 2016 Tests - No. of Runs or Wickets (in brackets no.of innings/overs) - i have done runs and wickets as if you do average then there are a few people at the top who have only played a couple of tests etc...

This is purely the stats so batting order and type of bowlers etc... not thought about

1. Root - 1114 (24)
2. Cook - 1052 (25)
3. Mo Ali - 812 (21)
4. Kohli - 785 (13)
5. Azhar Ali - 769 (14)
6. Stokes - 716 (13) / 26 (205)
7. YJB - 1164 (21)
8. Herath - 54 (367)
9. Ashwin - 47 (347)
10. Broad - 42 (417)
11. Shah - 40 (430)
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Rob580 on November 17, 2016, 11:05:13 AM
I had a look at this the other week and came up with:

Williamson
Azhar Ali
Pujara
Kohli
Smith
Stokes
Bairstow
Starc
Herath
Anderson
Rabada

I took the 10 highest run scorers & 8 highest wicket takers of the year (double the required amount for this) then sorted them by average, giving the above Bowlers and Batsmen.

To be honest for Keeper & allrounder, there's not much competition. Stokes is up there on both tables, and YJB has scored the most runs of anyone this year and taken almost double the dismissals of the next keeper.

So pretty much a statistical team with consideration for Runs scored & averages. Seeing as England players have played load more matches, so therefore are going to have scored more highly than possibly better players from other countries.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Mr_Orange on November 17, 2016, 11:07:26 AM
As I can't really do this at work, and am out on the piss "at a networking event" tonight would someone else please put a side together, based purely on test stats from the start of 2016?

Lets go for a generic lineup of:
Top 5 are specialist batsman
All rounder at 6
Keeper at 7
numbers 8 to 11 bowlers

Would be interesting to see how that side looks compared to what those of us who actually watch cricket said...  ;)

Ok... I've looked at runs scored and also averages (min 4 innings) since 1 Jan 2016 (not including the 2nd Ind v Eng test) the top 10 are:

Bairstow 1164   |1|  De Kock 80.00
Root 1114       |2|  Gunaratne 75.00
Cook 1052       |3|  Kohli 71.18
Moeen Ali 814   |4|  Pujara 69.60
Kohli 778       |5|  Tharanga 69.00
Azhar Ali 769   |6|  Rahane 68.44
Stokes 716      |7|  Bairstow 64.66
Pujara 696      |8|  Azhar Ali 64.08
Williamson 633  |9|  De Silva 61.11
Smith 622       |10| Stokes 59.66

Bairstow, Root, Cook and Moeen have all played 14 games.
The Sri Lankans have 4 innings each. Most of the rest are between 7-9 games.

Rahane comes in at 11 in runs scored (618 @ 61.66) and Bavuma at 11 (465 @ 58.12) in the averages

Take the common players in Bairstow, Kohli, Pujara, Stokes, Azhar Ali and that's a good start if you take De Kock as a keeper.
But we need an all rounder in Stokes based on the format above and another opener.
Based on that, the top 7 I think would end up as

Cook, Azhar Ali, Pujara, Kohli, Bairstow, Stokes, De Kock

Now bowlers (same format, wickets and average but min 15 wickets):

Herath 54    ||  Mehedi 15.63
Ashwin 47    ||  Herath 17.53
Broad 42     ||  Starc 19.62
Shah 40      ||  Anderson 20.48
Anderson 39  ||  Rabada 21.07
Rabada 39    ||  Wagner 21.87
Woakes 39    ||  Woakes 22.07
Starc 32     ||  Stokes 23.07
Wagner 32    ||  Ashwin 23.48
Lyon 31      ||  Perera 24.56

Ali comes in 11 (30 @ 49.83) in the total wickets and Jadeja at 11 for average (20 @ 25.85).
Stokes comes in with 26 wickets FYI.

Obviously this choice is subjective to the conditions here with spinners taking the top spots.
To keep it even, and with stokes in the side I'll pick 2 seamers, 1 spinner and a subjective spot

So, the common players are Herath, Ashwin, Anderson, Rabada, Woakes, Starc and Wagner.

So that gives me Herath and Ashwin for the spinner spots and Anderson, Rabada and Starc for the seamers.

Based on this, my final XI of 2016 so far would be:

Cook
Azhar Ali
Pujara
Kohli
Bairstow
Stokes
De Kock
Ashwin/Rabada
Starc
Herath
Anderson

Starc over Rabada purely for the left arm option. Ashwin comes in if it's played in Asia. Woakes would be in the squad based on the numbers, it was tight between him, Starc and Rabada for 2 spots.
Edit: If we were to play Bairstow as the keeper then I'd bring in Rahane at 5 based on his figures for the year above and not the way he's playing against England at the mo!

Obviously this is what I'd pick based on the information I have, and it can be stretched either way but it's one answer to the question!
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Number4 on November 17, 2016, 11:31:14 AM
Due to players all playing different amount of games it would probably be more accurate going on averages as opposed to total runs scored.

I think Mr Orange has it most accurate
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: sgcricket on November 17, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Here is my current world XI

1.) Williamson
2.) Pujara
3.) Smith
4.) Kohli
5.) Stokes
6.) DeKock
7.) Ashwin
8.) Herath
9.) Rabada
10.) Starc
11.) Anderson

I have selected Pujara and Williamson as openers as I feel they will be able to do the job and find themselves facing the almost new ball generally.
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: Manormanic on November 17, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
Here is my current world XI

1.) Williamson
2.) Pujara
3.) Smith
4.) Kohli
5.) Stokes
6.) DeKock
7.) Ashwin
8.) Herath
9.) Rabada
10.) Starc
11.) Anderson

I have selected Pujara and Williamson as openers as I feel they will be able to do the job and find themselves facing the almost new ball generally.

six bowlers and a very long tail there...
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: sgcricket on November 18, 2016, 02:31:47 AM
six bowlers and a very long tail there...

That's because I trust the 6 batsmen + Ashwin to get enough runs
Title: Re: Current World Test XI
Post by: rahul_1987 on November 18, 2016, 03:05:58 PM
I would like the below team in my World XI. Stokes as 3rd Seamer and 2 spinners with proper batting up to no.8.

Williamson
Cook/Pujara
Root
Kohli
AB
Stokes
DeKock
Ashwin
Yasir/Herath
Rabada
Starc