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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: petehosk on January 09, 2017, 01:56:29 AM
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It seems to have been a long break since the Indians showed how to bat and bowl well in the Test series on their home wickets - hopefully a lesson learned!!
And next week the shorter formats start. We all know that India are going to be strong on their home wickets with the amount of talent they have.
Interesting to see how we get on in these formats! Any predictions?
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Think the ODI's will be a lot closer than the tests, depends on which England turn up but I think we have a chance
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Not really got much interest in the limited over stuff but read India have called up some 19 year old for the T20s dubbed the new Sehwag so should be interesting to see what all the hypes about.
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we are going to need to play spin very well to get anywhere. we seemed to be getting better in the Bangladesh series, players like Stokes(especially) looked like they were more comfortable.
Hales I don't think will have a Scooby but Butler,Stokes,Morgan are getting better
Jason Roy not sure he's faced pace most of the time, a good test for him.
I just hope we compete in some games. It's gonna be tough.
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I think it's pretty even if England get the team right
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The joy of batdeep. Big series for Morgan.
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So what will he team be? I think it will be similar to bangladesh with hales and Morgan back in hope billings gets a few games though
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Root is available for the first ODI
Roy
Hales
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Moeen
Willey
Rashid
Plunkett
Ball
Then again the amount of depth we have is just stupid
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I know we can only have 11 on the pitch but somewhere this series we have to have a proper look at Billings
this guy is very highly rated and has been around the squads for a while now.
I would even unbalanced the side to get him in if necessarily, i.e. leave a bowler out we know about(willey)
ICC mini world cup here this summer we need to go into that with our very best players. Might be some tough calls with the amount of good one day guys we have
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I feel bad for Billings, he's a quality white ball player, needs to bat top 6 though so who do you drop out of Hales/Roy/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Stokes?
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I feel bad for Billings, he's a quality white ball player, needs to bat top 6 though so who do you drop out of Hales/Roy/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Stokes?
Hales, let billings open like in Bangladesh
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Isn't Billings labeled as being our best player of spin?
If that's the case surely he has to play, doesn't he?
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I feel bad for Billings, he's a quality white ball player, needs to bat top 6 though so who do you drop out of Hales/Roy/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Stokes?
I know.....as I said you might need to unbalance the team just to get a look at him. if we left out a bowler he could be shoe horned in and one of the others drops down.
we got to be looking to win this tournament in the summer over here. we were a fag paper away from our first one day trophy in the T20 last year.
anyone old enough......me......went thru the whole of the 90's watching us play some very average cricket. We had a good side 1987 world cup and 1992 world cup-apart from that the cupboard has been bare.
we got to nail it now with the new young guns.
If billings is the real deal we got to get him in somehow, at the moment we don't know.
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Hales, let billings open like in Bangladesh
with you on that.
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Hales, let billings open like in Bangladesh
I don't have an issue with Billings opening but you'd be dropping Hales purely due to missing the Bangladesh tour (he hit 171 3 games ago) which I don't think the selectors will do.
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we got to be looking to win this tournament in the summer over here. we were a fag paper away from our first one day trophy in the T20 last year
We won the world t20 in 2010 in the West Indies
Billings has always impressed me when he's played
A bit like bairstow was when he was in and out of the side always did enough to be selected but not quite enough to displace anyone in the top 6!
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We won the world t20 in 2010 in the West Indies
Billings has always impressed me when he's played
A bit like bairstow was when he was in and out of the side always did enough to be selected but not quite enough to displace anyone in the top 6!
of course how could I have forgotten. king Colly lead us home.... and a certain Kevin Pieterson :)
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I've just realized my statement above doesn't really make sense, what i mean is he is playing well enough to be selected but not doing any more than anyone currently in the side, slightly contradictory i know but oh well haha
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I've just realized my statement above doesn't really make sense, what i mean is he is playing well enough to be selected but not doing any more than anyone currently in the side, slightly contradictory i know but oh well haha
It's exactly how I feel, I feel like Billings deserves a shot but at the same time I don't feel like anyone deserves dropping. Morgan would be the closest to getting dropped (based on form) but he's the skipper and he's done a lot in the last 2 years to help make us a proper one day side.
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It's exactly how I feel, I feel like Billings deserves a shot but at the same time I don't feel like anyone deserves dropping. Morgan would be the closest to getting dropped (based on form) but he's the skipper and he's done a lot in the last 2 years to help make us a proper one day side.
hes also been in decent form in the BBL leading up to this tournament ending with quick 60 odd vs the stars,
billings way in i feel would be when root comes home and he can bat at 3
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Billings in drop Hales or Morgan
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Just don't rate hales at all
I may well be proven wrong, hopefully Billings gets a decent chance to prove his worth.
But Hales, no, not a fan
Might get shot down for this too, but I'm a big Morgan fan, but just feel he's getting on a bit.
Only a little bit
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Just don't rate hales at all
I may well be proven wrong, hopefully Billings gets a decent chance to prove his worth.
But Hales, no, not a fan
Might get shot down for this too, but I'm a big Morgan fan, but just feel he's getting on a bit.
Only a little bit
The only reason they would drop Hales is to chastise him after Bangladesh, he averaged 62 last year at just over a run a ball, not what you'd consider poor form. It's considerably better than Roy's average of 43 for 2016, not that I'm hating on JRoy just making a point.
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The only reason they would drop Hales is to chastise him after Bangladesh, he averaged 62 last year at just over a run a ball, not what you'd consider poor form. It's considerably better than Roy's average of 43 for 2016, not that I'm hating on JRoy just making a point.
you can't drop Hales on any remotely reasonable argument at all northern quite right. youre spot on. So if that's the case revert back to basics and let him sit out because he is a GOON
:)
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let him sit out because he is a GOON
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Well that's a whole other story haha
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haha...
to be serious he's got the runs behind him at the moment. Like the other Northern thou I think he has been found out in Tests and I think against better bowling(world cup or major tournament) he will be found out again.
Jason Roy to me looks like having a better all round game, stokes, root......these guys are class. If you were looking at Morgan...on his day he's a match winner. blows a bit hot and cold but you need a wildcard in there somewhere.
England have moved forward so quickly we cannot get all the good players in we need to.Nice problem to have I suppose.
From what I have seen of Billings, I think he could be the real deal......huge potential there. No one knows of course he just hasn't played enough.
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Team for the first warm up game:
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8/alexhill813/4B5F8D43-559D-4B8B-957C-D063D02385A5_zpssonlixvh.png) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/alexhill813/media/4B5F8D43-559D-4B8B-957C-D063D02385A5_zpssonlixvh.png.html)
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Looks a good side considering both Root and Stokes are missing! Billings has the chance to make a big statement to the selectors which is a good thing.
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I'd say that team, with Root & Stokes in for Billings & Dawson, will be the team for the first full ODI. I'd love to see Billings play the first game though, hope he scores runs here!
The India A team is also pretty strong:
Mandeep Singh, S Dhawan, AT Rayudu, MS Dhoni*†, Yuvraj Singh, SV Samson, HH Pandya, Kuldeep Yadav, MM Sharma, YS Chahal, S Kaul
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India batting first 44-1 off 14.4 wicket for willey
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Dhawan having a serious net. 49 of 72 in a 50 over game
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Dhawan hasn't scored runs in a long time now ... :D .. he is certainly practicing really well !!
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BCCI had released a video of Yuvraj Singh practising before the game..slamming the bowlers out of the park. Not the same when you face real seam bowling and nothing is pitched in your half, is it?
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BCCI had released a video of Yuvraj Singh practising before the game..slamming the bowlers out of the park. Not the same when you face real seam bowling and nothing is pitched in your half, is it?
hmmmmm....a sort on Indian Alex Hales you mean? :)
Vuvraj is a dangerous player to have in the side
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Seems like Yuvi is going back to SS. Playing with a plain bat with the TON branding and wearing SS gloves and pads. Going back to his roots.
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257-7 rayudu retired on 100
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Dhoni takes Woakes apart in the last over - 23 off it. 304-4
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whats the feeling, 304 par score? England have a chance, right?
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whats the feeling, 304 par score? England have a chance, right?
I would say par but not really too bothered by warm up games.
Just used to rest a few players, try a few players, see if any players shine.
I am a bit envious as evidently entry is free to watch the match!! Why does this never happen in this Country!!?? :o
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I would say par but not really too bothered by warm up games.
Just used to rest a few players, try a few players, see if any players shine.
I am a bit envious as evidently entry is free to watch the match!! Why does this never happen in this Country!!?? :o
yeah PH we get fleeced in the UK. Beat this thou. In 1994-95 Ashes I was in Australia cheering on our boys at the MCG. Handed over the equivalent of about 35 quid on Day 1
I asked how much entry fee was for the following day and they said ''no sport, your tickets are valid for all 5 days'
yes the MCG can hold about 90 odd thousand but that's different class.
I paid about 80 quid per day at the Oval last year, and more at Lords.
I know we cannot do that in the UK, but it shows the attitude to watching sport is different in Australia.
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Would love to take the missus to watch a game in London , but I could have a week surfing at woolacombe for the same money!!!
Only time I watch live cricket now is when the company book a box at old Trafford
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England off and running, Roy doing what he does best and Hales(storm) blocking it.
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just kidding about Hales
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Roy toying with the bowling...dont think India A got enough on this pitch. Interested to see how Kuldeep Yadav bowls.
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Roy's good! Impressed with his timing, a gentle tap travels to mid-off / mid-on as though he drove it with power..
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but I could have a week surfing at woolacombe for the same money!!!
Would love to see you try it padded up :D
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I love JRoy so much
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Would love to see you try it padded up :D
Ha ha
I've got too much padding these days
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Here we go again, as soon as the spinners come on. 2 decent young spinners to be fair
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This must be one of the most experienced 'A' teams of all time - India 'A' today has a combined total of 745 ODI's !
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This must be one of the most experienced 'A' teams of all time - India 'A' today has a combined total of 745 ODI's !
yep! it's a good side
it's spin thou we need to get to grips with in the middle overs. It's pretty much the same as the test matches.
Billings is by all accounts a good player of spin so although it might be hard to get a space for him, England I think want him to play out there in the final 11.
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Billings is by all accounts a good player of spin so although it might be hard to get a space for him, England I think want him to play out there in the final 11.
That's why we need warm up matches - check out players and decide on the balance of the side!
And this is a good test for players as they are a very experienced and talented India A team.
And in their conditions it will be a test. Nice to hear that Roy and Hales got a start. Morgan looked in pretty decent form when I watched him in BBL so had high hopes that he would perform today! Doesn't look like he did!!
Not too bothered about the result, but would really like to see some positives from today?
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one positive would be Jason Roy . Since he come in he has got runs and he plays a natural game regardless.
I think he is a very brave player and a good find for us. He plays all the shots and has a better basic technique than Hales
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So does anyone think Billings could be a better shout than Hales once Root is back?
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So does anyone think Billings could be a better shout than Hales once Root is back?
Yes
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Yes
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Is sweep the new forward defense?
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So does anyone think Billings could be a better shout than Hales once Root is back?
Yes
:)
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So does anyone think Billings could be a better shout than Hales once Root is back?
Nope.
Don't get why everyone is ragging on Hales. Sure he's a bit of a goober. But why the heck does that matter?
He's what we've always been after, a powerful opening batsman who can average above 40, strike at over 90 & score big hundreds. Not that long ago he scored our highest ever ODI score. Give the guy a break! I do agree they need to find Billings a spot, but in my mind why can't that be a bowling spot, then have 3 'bowlers', Stokes & Ali and then a bit of Root (or Hales' 10mph off breaks! ;))
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Billings is a grafter, fair play
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Nope.
Don't get why everyone is ragging on Hales. Sure he's a bit of a goober. But why the heck does that matter?
He's what we've always been after, a powerful opening batsman who can average above 40, strike at over 90 & score big hundreds. Not that long ago he scored our highest ever ODI score. Give the guy a break! I do agree they need to find Billings a spot, but in my mind why can't that be a bowling spot, then have 3 'bowlers', Stokes & Ali and then a bit of Root (or Hales' 10mph off breaks! ;))
Then we're always going to be wasting someone at 7.
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Billings for Morgan and buttler captain.
Hales averaged 60 odd in 2016 and scored one daddy hundred. Why are we trying to drop him?
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Then we're always going to be wasting someone at 7.
That may well be but, I'm more getting at the fact that everyone is going at Hales, when he's been one of our best players of recent times.
Makes absolutely zero sense. Hales has averaged 43 & scored 4 hundreds since the World Cup. Billings needs to come in somewhere, I agree. But for Hales? Do me a favour..
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Then we're always going to be wasting someone at 7.
Answer is simple... Drop Morgan.. let Butler captain.. not Stokes as he would be my new test captain (although Root apparently getting it despite new family and not IMHO learnt to cut out silly mistakes that could make him a top,top,top player for next 5 years)..
Morgan for me is not playing enough cricket and is not the player he was..
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Billings not doing himself any harm
Morgan is a wildcard, shocking when out of form, unbelievable when in form
he can win us a game.
tough call getting our best one day team with everyone we are want in
agree with Rob, we might need to squeeze out a bowler.In India anyway.
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Brilliant last few overs, this team knows when to start the bloody car
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Brilliant last few overs, this team knows when to start the bloody car
Is it on sky at all could not see it on
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Is it on sky at all could not see it on
Was on Willow for some reason but had luck finding a stream, had Cricinfo on the go
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Sad way to depart after a lovely innings....Billing will be very very unlucky if he is not picked for the 1st ODI.
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Woakes(y) is bringing it home with a nice match winning 10 not out :)
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A few positives nonetheless!
Was nice to see that Roy, Hales, Buttler, Dawson and in particular Billings batting well!
I am guessing from the figures that Ali bowled the best spin?
Willey and Ball (as expected) looked decent. A bit of a concern about Woakes but I am guessing that Dhoni was well up for that and he was certainly played in by that last over!
And once he got to his 50 (first ball of the last over) he was always going to hit out! So 23 of Woakes runs were off the final slog.
But with Stokes coming back in it's not a major concern.
So who would people play as their final XI?
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A few positives nonetheless!
Was nice to see that Roy, Hales, Buttler, Dawson and in particular Billings batting well!
I am guessing from the figures that Ali bowled the best spin?
Willey and Ball (as expected) looked decent. A bit of a concern about Woakes but I am guessing that Dhoni was well up for that and he was certainly played in by that last over!
And once he got to his 50 (first ball of the last over) he was always going to hit out! So 23 of Woakes runs were off the final slog.
But with Stokes coming back in it's not a major concern.
So who would people play as their final XI?
alright Pete Jesus no easy questions from you today? we got to get Stokey in as well? blimey.......oh and Root to come back.
oh god.
dawson out, only one of Ali or Rashid?
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Hales
Roy
Root
Billings
Butler (Capt)
Stokes
Ali
Dawson
Rashid
Willey
Plunkett /Ball
Slow bowlers will be the way forward so for me in India 3 spinners with Willey/Stokes/Root/Plunkett/Ball bowling the other 20 overs between them...
Do think Plunkett can play when the wicket has bounce in it... Hales worries me against spin and I can see India opening with a spinner if Roy and Hales struggle against spinners in the early games..
Then let Root open and bring back Morgan. Billings for me is the future and a better player of spin than Morgan..
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Ok but if Morgan is definitely in and Captain, then what team selection then?
It looks really difficult to choose!! :o
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I agree that it is looking really difficult to include Morgan as there is too much talent - and with Morgan not on the best form then it is a tough choice!
I also agree with a comment made earlier that Morgan can be a match winner if he hits form. But I am 99% sure that Morgan will be in the starting XI - so my team would have to be:
Hales
Roy
Root
Billings
Buttler (W)
Stokes
Morgan (C)
Ali
Rashid
Willey
Plunkett /Ball
If Morgan has to be there, then I think that you cannot put him above Billings, Root or Buttler - especially on current form.
Therefore bat him at either 6 or 7 where there is slightly less pressure and he can still Captain from?
We need Stokes (as all rounder) and 2 other seamers. And if Morgan has to play then for me it is Dawson to miss out! Dawson looked good with the bat but his bowling obviously wasn't great.
You need to play your better spinners regardless - and that was Rashid and Ali. But nothing to stop Root having a bowl if the wicket spins, as he has a real knack for taking wickets!! ;)
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Ok but if Morgan is definitely in and Captain, then what team selection then?
It looks really difficult to choose!! :o
Oh.. I agree Pete... Morgan will play. So will Woakes.. Think they will drop a spinner for Woakes and Root will come in for Billings.. 😢😤
Think they need to sort out who bowls at the death... We give away to many runs at the death with poor bowling decisions and field placings.. For me Woakes isn't the answer...
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Then we're always going to be wasting someone at 7.
don't matter surely? its international cricket, not club cricket where you are worried about "wasting" someone at 7 :)
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I'll stick my neck out and say hales will fail miserably
morgans just looking a little 'old' to me?
And I'm a kinda fan of rashid, purely because he does take wickets, yes I know it's usually because the batters are going after him, but sometimes that's what a team needs
It's not always the top of off balls that get wickets
Looking forward to seeing these lads perform
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don't matter surely? its international cricket, not club cricket where you are worried about "wasting" someone at 7 :)
England in India... Numbers 7/8/9 will defo be giving their bats an airing 😕😕
Am more sure of that than Woakes being carted all over India when bowling at the death... And that is a certainty.. 😁😁
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Unfortunately, the weakest batsman in the Eng XI is Morgan. He clicks in the odd game out of 6/7 games, no consistency. If england change their captain and drop morgan, they can play billings or someone in form and the batting will be really strong.
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What Eoin Morgan has done is basically set the precedent for a rotating leadership roster for cricket teams. Because of workload, we will see more teams taking advantage of a rotating leadership roster.
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Oh.. I agree Pete... Morgan will play. So will Woakes.. Think they will drop a spinner for Woakes and Root will come in for Billings.. 😢😤
Think they need to sort out who bowls at the death... We give away to many runs at the death with poor bowling decisions and field placings.. For me Woakes isn't the answer...
Woakes as showed again today what he can do with the ball in India don't see how he can be selected
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Woakes as showed again today what he can do with the ball in India don't see how he can be selected
Who had 7.58 in he sweepstake???
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Who had 7.58 in he sweepstake???
Sorry Chiris could you explain as 71 runs off 10 and no wickets against the Indian A team is not good enough.
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Who had 7.58 in he sweepstake???
Perfect.
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I find it interesting that Plunkett didn't get a run out. Is he injured?
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I find it interesting that Plunkett didn't get a run out. Is he injured?
Yes, they're hoping he'll be back for the first ODI iirc.
Morgan drops to six, Buttler to four for me, particularly on current form. I see two ways for Billings to get into the side - replace Moeen (which obviously isn't going to happen in India) or Morgan. Who knows how far away that could be, but right now it's hard to see Morgan making it to the 2019 WC.
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Yes, they're hoping he'll be back for the first ODI iirc.
Morgan drops to six, Buttler to four for me, particularly on current form. I see two ways for Billings to get into the side - replace Moeen (which obviously isn't going to happen in India) or Morgan. Who knows how far away that could be, but right now it's hard to see Morgan making it to the 2019 WC.
Could struggle to see him in the Champions Trophy this year too!
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No coverage of this game but looks like the spinners have caused england a few issues. Morgan fails again.
Should be an easy chase for India "B"
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Morgan, Buttler and Moeen. Welp.
Glad to see a partnership like that from Rashid and Willey at the end though, proves how much depth there is
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Morgan, Buttler and Moeen. Welp.
Glad to see a partnership like that from Rashid and Willey at the end though, proves how much depth there is
Personally, I think YJB is more unlucky than Billings and Duckett in not being in the 50 over side. England are NOT going to drop Morgan on this tour (IMHO pick players on current form and not one BBL innings and past glories)
Also don't see point of Woakes being there. If he is going to be the successor to Anderson then surely have him back home working on things, rather than flogging his guts out on wickets he won't be on for another 3/4 years...
Again clueless thinking by the selectors..
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Personally, I think YJB is more unlucky than Billings and Duckett in not being in the 50 over side. England are NOT going to drop Morgan on this tour (IMHO pick players on current form and not one BBL innings and past glories)
Also don't see point of Woakes being there. If he is going to be the successor to Anderson then surely have him back home working on things, rather than flogging his guts out on wickets he won't be on for another 3/4 years...
Again clueless thinking by the selectors..
Agree about Woakes - why play 5 seamers on an India wicket if Woakes is down the pecking order?
I can understand them playing Strokes to give him a warm up game before the main ODI matches.
I can also understand them playing Ball, Plunkett and Willey to decide on the line up - IMO Stokes and Willey should be playing plus 1 other...so choice between Ball and Plunkett!
Better off playing Dawson and giving him a decent 6 or 7 overs to see if he can get into his stride. If the batters go after him then not a problem - this is what warm up matches are for!! He gets found out and they know not to play him in the main ODI!! But giving him 2 overs like they did in the other warm up match is not enough to take a good look at him.
My worries are Morgan and Ali! Mo seems to be bowling well but he is in there as a batsman too and he is not performing. Just got to hope that he starts to get some kind of form in the next match or two as we need his spin option. Morgan is not looking in any kind of form so surely bat him down at 6/7 so that we can include Billings and other more in-form batsmen up the order?
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And which JB to play? Buttler (although he didn't have a good knock) is one of the most destructive batsman on the planet if he hits form.
But again, you just can't ignore the runs Bairstow has hit and continues to hit this season!!
the problem is that if we want Billings in and the selectors won't drop Morgan, then how can we fit both JB's in? :(
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Personally, I think YJB is more unlucky than Billings and Duckett in not being in the 50 over side. England are NOT going to drop Morgan on this tour (IMHO pick players on current form and not one BBL innings and past glories)
Also don't see point of Woakes being there. If he is going to be the successor to Anderson then surely have him back home working on things, rather than flogging his guts out on wickets he won't be on for another 3/4 years...
Again clueless thinking by the selectors..
And there's another problem who have England got to replace Jimmy someone who can take wickets away from the Uk.
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163-1 in 25 overs. England getting a hammering
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And there's another problem who have England got to replace Jimmy someone who can take wickets away from the Uk.
Totally agree... Of course its hard to plan 12 months in advance but everything I read and hear is that Woakes is keen to learn and a very hard worker.
One of the problems Jimmy had in last tour of Australia was bowling to short .. This was a result of him playing one day cricket for 12 months before that tour.. Jimmy found it very difficult to get back into the rhythm of bowling fuller and getting that swing...
Woakes has shown he can swing the ball at mid to late 80's so why are we letting him flog his balls out on a flat deck???
Its time for the selectors to take certain bowlers and batsmen away from one day cricket and give them Test contracts.. Get them playing county cricket where the knock on effect will be them improving the standard of county cricket and giving the test side a better chance of beating the Aussies and being world No1..
Haseeb, Woakes, Lees, Jennings, Westley, Finn, Leach, Gibbons, Fisher, Bell-Drummond, Balance, Foakes etc etc etc
I know there are a few more promising bowlers out there from Somerset, Middlesex etc
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Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.
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Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.
Top fishing!
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Instagram seems to suggest Roy was out when the stem guard from his helmet fell off and dislodged the bails.
Is this true?
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Not sure why there is so much talk about Ben Stokes being awesome. I feel that his performances have been hit-n-miss. Of course, all those injuries do not help. I would say he is just above average both in bowling and batting. Definitely not a match winner.
Yeh and don't forget that he is just an average fielder too. ;)
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Bairstow doesn't deserve a place in the limited overs side. Evening looking at his list A record is ordinary. Billings is the better limited overs player by a mile
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I see that lot of people on this forum feel that Ben Stokes is awesome. But somehow his performances in limited overs cricket havent been awesome. In test cricket, I agree that he has some great match winning performances. But when was the last time he won England a one day or a T20 game either with his bowling or his batting. He is not a finisher in limited overs cricket. He needs time to settle in which isnt an option for the position he bats in limited overs cricket. He is a good bowling option but when was the last time England relied on him completely. In sub-con conditions, if he is that good that England should be able to drop a seamer and pick an extra batsman or spinner. But that isnt the case.
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Yeh and don't forget that he is just an average fielder too. ;)
Stokes averages 28 with the bat and 38 with the ball in ODI's. Not exactly an automatic selection...
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I see that lot of people on this forum feel that Ben Stokes is awesome. But somehow his performances in limited overs cricket havent been awesome. In test cricket, I agree that he has some great match winning performances. But when was the last time he won England a one day or a T20 game either with his bowling or his batting.
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10608476/bangladesh-v-england-story-of-the-first-odi-so-far (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10608476/bangladesh-v-england-story-of-the-first-odi-so-far)
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so am curious, what are people thinking will be the likely XI come the first ODI match?
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BTW anyone seen Pant batting today? Whats he look like? Gunn?
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BTW anyone seen Pant batting today? Whats he look like? Gunn?
Was just looking at his stats. Only 10 FC games but wow.
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
10 16 1 1080 308 72.00 1049 102.95 4 3
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BTW anyone seen Pant batting today? Whats he look like? Gunn?
Nope - he was pants.
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Was just looking at his stats. Only 10 FC games but wow.
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
10 16 1 1080 308 72.00 1049 102.95 4 3
Yup, next big thing rising from India apparently..!
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Nope - he was pants.
haha, although his 160+ strike rate may disagree with this lol
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fair to say england were hammered in today's warm up game, a win with 10 overs to spare.
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so am curious, what are people thinking will be the likely XI come the first ODI match?
Well, as they seem intent on playing an out-of-form Morgan, plus they didn't seem to think that giving Dawson a decent try out would be a good idea, I would like to see:
Roy
Hales
Billings
Root
Buttler
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Willey
Ball/Dawson (depending on how spinny the wicket is!)
If Morgan bats at 4 then I would be pretty disappointed, unless he suddenly turns his form around.
This looks a strong batting line up and would look even stronger if Bairstow replace Morgan based on current form, but doubt that would happen!
The big question in my mind is what do we do if Morgan fails again, and again? How long do the selectors give him if he simply isn't hitting runs?
India will be incredibly strong in their home conditions and with the depth of players and confidence they have at the moment! I can't see any team giving them a run for their money at their home grounds on current form to be honest! So England need to be determined and strong to get anywhere near to a victory - not fall apart and collapse as they often do when under pressure.
I would just be happy to see some positives to be honest! If we managed to scrape one victory, that would be brilliant but I am not holding my breath! ;)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C19zbCyXgAAaaW5.jpg:small)
You really couldn't make it up.
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Be interesting to see what he's wearing next game!
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England have some selection dilemmas here. One is a nice problem to have - that they have so many quick scoring batsmen in top form - the other less so, that they look a bowler light in the attempt to take 10 wickets or limit the run rate.
On the basis that we lac that second option in subcontinent conditions, I would actually be inclined to go with just five bowlers and rely upon Root (and Roy's filthy medium pace) for back up.
The question then becomes which five batsmen out of Roy, Hales, Root, Billings, Bairstow, Morgan... For me, Roy has to play as he is our kick start, Root and Bairstow have to as they are world class, and Billings is our best player of spin. That leaves a difficult choice between the skipper and Hales...
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Be interesting to see what he's wearing next game!
It's okay Masuri have just released the stem guard tie solution. Or in my world the tie wrap!
This is no joke by the way. Go look on there twitter.
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Hales gets in well ahead of Bairstow in ODIs, seriously? Realistically, Morgan plays. So if we're going with the 4 bowlers/2 all-rounders formula, Billings and Bairstow get squeezed out. Billings makes it in if we go for the extra batsman.
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It's okay Masuri have just released the stem guard tie solution. Or in my world the tie wrap!
This is no joke by the way. Go look on there twitter.
Ha jokers, why bother producing a proper solution when a bodge will do!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C19zbCyXgAAaaW5.jpg:small)
You really couldn't make it up.
Wouldn't have happened with a Shrey...
🎣
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Was Roy out for that ?I thought that the rules had been changed.
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Just on selection, and I haven't done my final 11 it's got about 24 players in at the moment :)
Is anyone else leaving out Mo Ali and fiddling a few overs from Root? We got 50 to bowl only to get thru the game.
That would leave a space as there's no way I'm leaving out Billings from the team.
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Hales gets in well ahead of Bairstow in ODIs, seriously? Realistically, Morgan plays. So if we're going with the 4 bowlers/2 all-rounders formula, Billings and Bairstow get squeezed out. Billings makes it in if we go for the extra batsman.
Realistically, yes, Morgan will survive, even if common sense says that now is probably the moment for a change (let him compete for a place on merit, but also free up the option of competition from guys like Duckett and Vince, who have done well in their limited one day exposure, and also the next generation of guys such as Bell-Drummond). As for Hales vs Bairstow...if you didn't have Roy doing the job Hales used to, then maybe. But you do...and Hales struggles when the ball moves, and can get tied down.
FWIW, my side would be:
Roy
Hales
Root
Bairstow
Buttler (c/ probably w)
Stokes
Billings
Dawson
Rashid
Willey
Plunkett
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Billings that low down is wasted.
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Could be said of whoever bats seven in that side
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I think the crux of the selection comes down to the amount of bowlers we select. In both warm ups we have played 6 bowlers (including Stokes and Mo) when looking at most people's sides they only have 5 plus Root which allows an extra batter - Billings or YJB for example.
But will 5 plus Root be enough against India on there turf? Judging by the 2 warm ups 300-325 will be a must batting 1st.
For me considering that Morgan is going to play it is -
Roy
Hales
Root
Billings
Butler
Stokes
Morgan
Ali
Dawson
Rashid
Willey
Although ultimately I feel Morgan shouldn't be playing and you would play an extra bowler.
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Let's do thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
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Win the toss win the match. Dew expected later, India firm favourites
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Bloody love DRS
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Were going need about 500 here
I know we cannot get everyone in but billings should be in.
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What about bairstow
Hard to get in this one day side
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Both openers have been lucky early on but Hales has run himself out.
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Jason Roy , some of the shots he plays looks a class apart. I know Hales has scored runs but there's no comparison watching the two them bat
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That straight drive was gorgeous. 50 up, good lad.
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Why does Roy never get mentioned for the test side?
Surely him or Hales at 5 makes sense?
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Roy straight drive shot here https://streamable.com/3kguh
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Why does Roy never get mentioned for the test side?
Surely him or Hales at 5 makes sense?
He does.. The test batting is pretty packed at the moment. He might of played last summer against Pak but Vince and ballance got picked. So you can't really pick the test side in hindsight, selectors go with their choices.
Hales... No.. Please just no.
:)
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Hales just not good enough
Keep saying it
This is the issue with the national side, they persist when perhaps others should be given an opportunity
I'm sure I'll get shot down or whatever for that, but he's just not good enough and Billings could have had that opportunity
Arrrr Roy, what were you doing?
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I don't think England ever had an thought to play billings, they gave him a warm up game and as he did so well, he was dropped to make sure a second big score didn't mean all eyes were on selection when he wasn't picked.
Hales had a decent 2016, but due to him bottling Bangladesh and no bbl, he isn't exactly match focused/ready currently like the rest of the side.
I'd like hales to be given a run, but I'd also like to seee billings in the side, and I doubt there gonna drop the skip Morgan. So what can you do. It does seem a billings or hales situation at mo.
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Billings is the new James Taylor, consistently scores runs, loved by the fans yet struggles to get a game.
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It doesn't get any better - Sunday morning, cricket, pot of coffee & picking imaginary England teams.
We have THREE outstanding all rounders Moeen, Stokes & Bairstow (or Buttler/Billings)
This should mean a golden era for our cricket, and yet we seem to be wasting an opportunity to pick the best 5 batters & the best 3 bowlers
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That's the thing
They peed about with Taylor for too long, he was taking the mick in county cricket and they wouldn't play him
The national team should be about winning matches
You pick the best available
I'd rather have kp back than play Hales
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Did someone just say Moeen Ali is an outstanding all-rounder? Crikey!
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Obviously Dhoni is a legend of the game, but so much of his keeping is unaesthetically pleasing. He's crocodile caught so many balls from the boundary fielders.
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Obviously Dhoni is a legend of the game, but so much of his keeping is unaesthetically pleasing. He's crocodile caught so many balls from the boundary fielders.
Case in point that you don't need to be textbook. His keeping and batting are both nowhere near being from the coaching manual.
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It is a Rottweiler Ravi....not a lab.
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Big fan of that Crufts feature
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Did someone just say Moeen Ali is an outstanding all-rounder? Crikey!
Ha ha like it.
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I don't think England ever had an thought to play billings, they gave him a warm up game and as he did so well, he was dropped to make sure a second big score didn't mean all eyes were on selection when he wasn't picked.
Hales had a decent 2016, but due to him bottling Bangladesh and no bbl, he isn't exactly match focused/ready currently like the rest of the side.
I'd like hales to be given a run, but I'd also like to seee billings in the side, and I doubt there gonna drop the skip Morgan. So what can you do. It does seem a billings or hales situation at mo.
The only thing I thought looking at this team this morning is if Ali is not going to play a major role batting he could make way and billings could play. root would have to bowl a few overs...is Root more or less likely to get carted as Ali? Not sure there is much in it.
The other position is Woakes, you could say the same thing...likely to get carted at medium fast and would Billings potentially win you a game more?.
Just for another perspective my best bud is an Indian fan, his view is baffled we have not picked billings as he can clearly play spin. who would make way...Morgan according to him.
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Can't see why Morgan would think he hadn't nicked it.
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Anyone noticed Roots gloves?
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Is root the new trott? Meandering to tons while everyone bats around him??
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Kiss of death smiley he has gone
:)
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Good catch to dismiss Joe
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Kiss of death smiley he has gone
:)
He's gone because he can't hit full tosses out the ground, third one in short succession he's hashed, and 2nd one that was caught(free hit though).
I'd happily take the rest of his abilities though. Lol.
I'm gonna go out on a whim and say we aren't gonna make enough runs here, we have not capitalised on Roy's start.
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We need absolutley loads more here
Short boundary quick outfield
Rather see billings now than ali or woakes. Big scores needed these days
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Surely that's him off with 2 height no balls?
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Glad to see they've accelerated
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Ben stokes potential IPL value going up a bit :)
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Stokesy taking advantage of some awful bowling
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Stokes fastest ODI 50 for England against India.
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Nice to see our 2 outstanding allrounders put 75 on in 6 overs when it mattered ;-)
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Stokes fastest ODI 50 for England against India.
Time for Woakes !!! I hope he goes well. I wouldn't have him in my one day side thou like yourself ahead of some others.
Good player and we will need him in tests for sure but......when places are at a premium in the one day side I think his bowling is too much 'in the slot' for the opposition
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Mo try's to sweep with the back of the bat and loses his off stump.
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I've enjoyed this last 10 overs
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Time for Woakes !!! I hope he goes well. I wouldn't have him in my one day side thou like yourself ahead of some others.
Good player and we will need him in tests for sure but......when places are at a premium in the one day side I think his bowling is too much 'in the slot' for the opposition
Must be nice to come into bat when there's 330 runs on the board
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Woakes didn't hit any bombs while he was out there.
Not good enough, time he was dropped...
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Eh up look who has woken up!! :)
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England's Test scores v.s India this winter
537 & 260-3 Dec
255 & 158
283 & 236
400 & 195
477 & 207
On only three occasions did they exceed the 350 they made in 50 overs (and they failed to even get to 250 in any 2nd innings!). Maybe we need to get some of these one day lads into the Test side and just give them licence... ;)
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Is 350 enough though?
India on form and with the talent and confidence they have at the moment are capable of chasing this down with ease!
400 would have been a real challenge, even for India! But 350 is very doable for them! We will need to bowl REALLY well and take wickets at regular intervals if we are going to win this one!
Would be nice to take a 1-0 lead and see how India do under a bit of pressure but I see India as slight favourites to chase 350 down! I hope I'm wrong but just think that cricket is based on form, which in turn is based mainly on confidence. And there is no more confident team at the moment than India (for good reason!)
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Very good masterclass from VK
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I think it says a lot about modern one day cricket that the England innings seemed slow.
They got 105 off the last 8 overs to bring up 350, but India are still firm favourites as it's below 400. Gone are the days where posting 300 meant you were virtually guaranteed a victory...
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Very good masterclass from VK
I could watch him all day, top class
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I could watch him all day, top class
Hopefully we won't watch him all day today, otherwise India will chase it down in 30 overs!!!! :(
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A lot of his game just seem to be mental an common sense. Great to hear how he changed his technique et al
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He's got some plain white NB spikes on that are lovely during the masterclass!
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Rewound it to get a pic
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p714/jonbarron1/IMG_6136_zpsz2ahhkhd.jpg)
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Kohli's bat looks humongous!
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Kohli's bat looks humongous!
Is it just me or does it look about 5mm too wide?? ;)
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What a ball from the Big Willey!
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Is it just me or does it look about 5mm too wide?? ;)
It could be 5mm to thin and kohli still smash it!
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Love a bit of Willey
Can kholi be fined for taking the piss?
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Yuvraj without a bat sponsor, I can't imagine it will be long before someone snaps him up
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India could replace there openers in the next match as they seemed reluctant to get after the bowling.
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Yuvraj without a bat sponsor, I can't imagine it will be long before someone snaps him up
yeah nah
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yeah nah
Let's try that again....
I can see Kohli getting a big one here
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I can remember jack russell without a sponsor, but can't think off any recent England internationals since.
Why is it Indian batsmen often are without, yet India is meant to be the biggest cricketing nation going.
You'd think it be impossible for them not to be snapped up.
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I am enjoying this game of cricket
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This is a good game, because despite India being 4 down, we all know kohli can win it on his own still.
Do we reckon that guy will be on standby with the flowers like when Sehwag got a double ton?? Lol
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Surely they can't chase this one down!
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The English spinners are absolute turd. They offer no control. Rashid just bowls pies at this level
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Another 100 for kohli in a chase! Amazing record he has. What a way to bring it up!
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It's a docile pitch. I feel we should have batted a little more positively, especially in the middle overs. To me, Root didn't look to push on enough.
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What a shot that was! How did he hit that for 6
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Is the fightback on, or too little too late?
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Game on now, 60 still needed with the all rounders in
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We wont win zip banging it in short constantly.
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At 60-4 to chase down 350 is extraordinary. Kohli's far too good in a chase, no other batsmen in the world could have done that - not even AB
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At 60-4 to chase down 350 is extraordinary. Kohli's far too good in a chase, no other batsmen in the world could have done that - not even AB
Agree. While AB is far more talented than Kohli, mentally AB is quite weak. He has never won such games for SA while chasing/under pressure. If AB can fix it, then sky is the limit for him/world cup will be SA's to have.
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What a cracker. great win. just shows how confident Indian side is and this VK is something else. Turned into a machine after becoming the captain.
Inspiring leader, leads by example.
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Agree. While AB is far more talented than Kohli, mentally AB is quite weak. He has never won such games for SA while chasing/under pressure. If AB can fix it, then sky is the limit for him/world cup will be SA's to have.
Big if here - but that's if AB ever plays for South Africa again...
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Big if here - but that's if AB ever plays for South Africa again...
Yes, with SA transformation targets, I don't think many good players will have that much loyalty for their country anymore..But SA have dug their own grave.. so be it..
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Is it just me or does it look about 5mm too wide?? ;)
His bats look huge like the ones available on FB page of Ulysses Cricket Australia.
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Kohli couldn't have done it without the nobody Kedar Jadhav.
What a game he played...
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I've seen a lot of great limited overs batsmen over the years but this lad Kohli is the best I've ever seen. He's not the most flashy or got the AB de Villiers unorthodox strokes but he makes run scoring easy. Chasing 350 is supposed to be hard work, yet Kohli's done it three times and it's almost like a canter.
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Kohli is already much better than Tendulkar for me.
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Woakes didn't hit any bombs while he was out there.
Not good enough, time he was dropped...
When first read this didn't realise how significant it would become.
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what an incredible effort from india...
kohli indebted to the support from Jadhav... some serious striking.
the England spinners - their figures - make scary reading! in the end, that was the difference between the two sides?
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what an incredible effort from india...
kohli indebted to the support from Jadhav... some serious striking.
the England spinners - their figures - make scary reading! in the end, that was the difference between the two sides?
well maybe... we are struggling for good spinners I think the while of the forum has commented on it recently. personally I would like Dawson in even if it's to change the angle
hats off to India that was superb but I think England played pretty well for most of the game, prob 40 runs short.
we can get a good start, it's in the middle overs England have to nail it, really nail it and risk getting bowled out to get 400 plus, 450. that's the standard these days, the game has moved on so quick.
Billings has got to play and we have to go hell 4 leather towards 400.
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Is Kholi already the best white ball batsman of all time? If not, then he's certainly not far off, unbelievable!
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well maybe... we are struggling for good spinners I think the while of the forum has commented on it recently. personally I would like Dawson in even if it's to change the angle
hats off to India that was superb but I think England played pretty well for most of the game, prob 40 runs short.
we can get a good start, it's in the middle overs England have to nail it, really nail it and risk getting bowled out to get 400 plus, 450. that's the standard these days, the game has moved on so quick.
Billings has got to play and we have to go hell 4 leather towards 400.
Interesting.. not sure there is that much wrong. Having score 350 and then have the oppo for 60-4, I think 9/10 times you would win the game. This was a freak, would it happen again? Odds are against it.
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Is Kholi already the best white ball batsman of all time? If not, then he's certainly not far off, unbelievable!
I personally think he is already... The numbers are insane.
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I didn't think there was much wrong with 350, and I don't think there is much wrong with our batting line-up, technique and thinking.
We are simply not set up with the bowling to compete in the sub-continent, and there isn't much you can do about it at the moment. If you look at our bowling, at least one of the spinners needed to do a Jadeja and go 10 overs for 50. I know some of their spinners got some tap too, but the difference is that one didn't.
It's infuriating that in these conditions we can't have at least one slow bowler bowl out his 10 for under 6 an over, I think that would have made a difference.
We simply don't have people to do it and our seamers will have to take the brunt. We really need to be chasing wherever possible at the moment.
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Hales
Roy
Root
Billings
Stokes
Buttler c&w
Bairstow
Ali/Rashid
Woakes
Willey
Ball/plunkett
5 bowlers plus root, bat to ten(xi if plunkett for ball). Go hell 4 leather for all 50 overs and aim for 400-450 minimum!
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I didn't think there was much wrong with 350, and I don't think there is much wrong with our batting line-up, technique and thinking.
We are simply not set up with the bowling to compete in the sub-continent, and there isn't much you can do about it at the moment. If you look at our bowling, at least one of the spinners needed to do a Jadeja and go 10 overs for 50. I know some of their spinners got some tap too, but the difference is that one didn't.
It's infuriating that in these conditions we can't have at least one slow bowler bowl out his 10 for under 6 an over, I think that would have made a difference.
We simply don't have people to do it and our seamers will have to take the brunt. We really need to be chasing wherever possible at the moment.
i agree i don't think there is much wrong with the batting, the one change i would like to see is Dawson for Rashid - i realise he has done well in ODI's recently but he has done it expensively and i don't think you can afford that against this India batting line up.
The other way you could go is replace a bowler with Billings and just try and simply get 400 and hope India don't get it, but i just don't think that would work because i truely believe this ODI series is actually quite simply -
If we don't get Kohli out we will lose - no matter what we get! - simples
NB - i say all of this with the caveat that Morgan will play every game and captain no matter what - when i think Butler should be doing etc....
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Would dawson not do a job like jadeja?
looked like a tight spinner if not spectacular but looked like he could do a job
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I think he got smacked for a couple of overs in one of the warm-ups and the England management dropped their poopers and won't select him.
Should probably be given a try in a real game, then at least we would know for sure.
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just read an interesting article on cric buzz...
the writer argues that England lack genuine wicket takers in this format. he shares some stats that seem to back up his argument.
genuine fast bowler is missing - Wood or Mills would fit that bill
he argues, to simply have an attack that can only contain no longer works...
thoughts? think he may have a point...
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i am just watching the highlights of the game and some of the shots that Kohli and Jadhav played were ridiculous :o :o
We didn't bowl well but you have to say as a bowler i am not sure what you must think or do when some of those shots are played off you.
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I thought Woakes bowled pretty well and didn't get used his full 10
the game is hugely in favour of batsmen these days
@roco @FattusCattus slow right arm over both sides of the wicket are open, left over over darts is there not a more difficult option for the batters hitting against any turn
or is that also irrelevant in the modern game?
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No point in playing spinners that are worse than Indian net bowlers.
Need some players that bowl military medium cutters on these pitches at times.
Raw pace from the likes of Wood would be useless on this pitch, he would be like another Mohammed Sami.
No height to extract natural bounce on these low bouncing pitches is just asking to get smacked like Brett Lee etc.
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No point in playing spinners that are worse than Indian net bowlers.
Need some players that bowl military medium cutters on these pitches at times.
Raw pace from the likes of Wood would be useless on this pitch, he would be like another Mohammed Sami.
No height to extract natural bounce on these low bouncing pitches is just asking to get smacked like Brett Lee etc.
do you mean the equivalent of a paul Collingwood/steve Waugh/Ronnie irani..... that sort of bowler?
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With enough pace you can take the pitch out of the equation
I have seen Johnson and lee do it a few times
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I think more than anything the bowlers have to have a brain - it doesn't matter what you bowl, if you bowl 2 sides of the wicket you have no chance. You need to at the very least give yourself a chance and bowl to a field/plan that your captain can set a field to and then bowl with some variation so the batters can't set themselves too much.
Then if they hit it out the park you just say fair enough.
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just read an interesting article on cric buzz...
the writer argues that England lack genuine wicket takers in this format. he shares some stats that seem to back up his argument.
genuine fast bowler is missing - Wood or Mills would fit that bill
he argues, to simply have an attack that can only contain no longer works...
thoughts? think he may have a point...
Without a doubt England put to much emphasis put on so called containment bowlers that Only works If they can bowl like Glenn McGrath England need an opening bowler wicket taker
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i am just watching the highlights of the game and some of the shots that Kohli and Jadhav played were ridiculous :o :o
We didn't bowl well but you have to say as a bowler i am not sure what you must think or do when some of those shots are played off you.
have you got a link to the highlights? slow day in work for me...
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have you got a link to the highlights? slow day in work for me...
sorry rich it was on Sky Sports - i would presume there are some on their website though
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Aaaaaaaaaaaand we're having a bowl. Rashid out and Plunkett in.
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Not sure whether to celebrate that wicket or not seeing as it brings Kohli in :(
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Hello Virat, Goodbye Virat.
I LOVE CHRIS WOAKES
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Trying to resist running round the office with my arms stretched out like an airplane.........
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SIR GARFIELD WOAKES
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COME ON LADS!!!!
and it woakse(y) who finally gets a wicket on tour :)
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anyone got a bet on Chris get getting all 10 ?
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#dropwoakes
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Not sure whether to celebrate that wicket or not seeing as it brings Kohli in :(
Now you may celebrate.
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#dropwoakes
stop it !!
:)
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Does look like a really flat pitch! Flat track bully yuvraj!
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Starting to feel like a carbon copy of the first game
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Drop catch, but was about 5yards short of a 6 off the side of the bat!!
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20 overs to go, could be carnage. Both looking to tee off.
Should get 330 but very chase-able
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Mentioned during the first ODI India have a problem with there opening batsman
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As stated previously India have a problem with there opening batsman
Rohit's a big miss for them. Dhawan isn't worth his place in the side.
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100 up for yuvraj - he's made it look easy and some of his shots have been easy on the eye. Probably hasn't made the most of his talent. Still a very flat wicket
He must be pleased his mate kohli got him back in the side
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Yuvi deserves his spot, hasn't been scoring bundles in domestic?
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Stokes is an extremely poor odi bowler, has the highest economy rates in the game. Far too many freebies.
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my Indian mate is watching on TV and says Woakes bowling has been a class apart today.
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By all accounts Yuvi & Dhoni have batter really well, but (Woakes aside) we have bowled an absolute shower of sh*t once again.
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100 up for Dhoni now.
They should get 370 and Yuvraj has a great chance for a 200
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Yuvraj departs didn't get his 200.
Really good knock that, didn't give england a chance
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4 byes if you're bowled off a free hit? What a joke.
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4 byes if you're bowled off a free hit? What a joke.
As the batsman can't be out from the bowling why didn't Buttler stand further back to stop the ball going for byes
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I really must be a bad omen for England
everytime I turn n the tv or radio they start smashing them for 6's and 4,s aha
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Stokes tells the ball boy what he thinks of his ability to return the ball
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Do we need to re-look at our selections for The ODI series or are india just quite good ???
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How many full tosses have england bowled this innings? Can't even blame the dew
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ball boy throws ball into stokes face
couldn't make this up
lol
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I thought Jordan was the death bowling specialist.. where has he gone?
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I get notifications through on my phone and was happy to see 25-3 then all went quiet :/
full tosses really not working as there getting smashed
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I thought Jordan was the death bowling specialist.. where has he gone?
isn't he at the BBL
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I think the quota is 2 full tosses per over! least its got them 2 wickets but cost them a fair few
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I'm pretty sure this is the worst death bowling performance I've ever seen.....
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can only track it on BBC but woaksey has gone for 46 in 9 and everyone else has been marmalised
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I'm pretty sure this is the worst death bowling performance I've ever seen.....
hahah just sums England up - lets bring on stokes.........
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I mean, you can accept it if they're trying to bowl Yorkers and slower balls, executing them well and still getting smashed. Take your hat off and say well batted.
But bowling knee high full tosses is just unacceptable, I'm sure they'll say it was down to the dew or whatever, but I don't buy it. These are professional cricketers and supposedly some of the best in the world, they should be able to at least land the ball!
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From 25-3 to 381-6 credit to India. Really good performance from dhoni and Yuvraj
England have panicked and had no idea what to do. Some of the worst bowling I've seen in the last 20 overs
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Good advert for Test cricket, bat-favoured run-gluts like these!
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I mean, you can accept it if they're trying to bowl Yorkers and slower balls, executing them well and still getting smashed. Take your hat off and say well batted.
But bowling knee high full tosses is just unacceptable, I'm sure they'll say it was down to the dew or whatever, but I don't buy it. These are professional cricketers and supposedly some of the best in the world, they should be able to at least land the ball!
I think if your bowling both sides of the wicket with the lesser man in the field under new restrictions you are not giving the Captain any options to restrict scoring.
it got to be at least one side-then you can set a field and as you say if they still pump Yorkers and good lengths over the rope there's not much you can do.
our death bowling is dire thou. why did the leg stump Yorker go out of fashion?
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What kind of (No Swearing Please) wickets are these? Able to score 350+ almost any day..
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apparently Nasser has gone ballistic on the telly
I think the phrase they use up north is ' he has seen his bottom'
please correct if this is incorrect and live north of Watford.
:D
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What kind of (No Swearing Please) wickets are these? Able to score 350+ almost any day..
The same wickets seem to be going around england too, if not flatter wickets. Places like trent bridge.
But I suppose if England rack up 350+ at home it's ok, no complaints about wickets being flat.
Seems to be the norm in limited overs cricket.
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We're not chasing 382.
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We're not chasing 382.
Pretty sure many said same at half time vs South Africa in the t20.
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Pretty sure many said same at half time vs South Africa in the t20.
Saffers choking is a seperate thing entirely
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We're not chasing 382.
Nope, we're going to get 387.
Scores level, last ball of the game, Jos smashes it for 6 for the win and his 200......
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Doing alright so far, just waiting for the inevitable collapse...
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What do people think of our chances of getting this? someone is going to have to play quite a big violent one!
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What do people think of our chances of getting this? someone is going to have to play quite a big violent one!
after being flogged(woakes excepted) around the field not holding out much hope. You never know thou :)
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I love Joe Root. We all love Joe Root. Hail Root.
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What do people think of our chances of getting this? someone is going to have to play quite a big violent one!
If India continue to bowl the same as England a very good one.
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One of these 2 need to go big and get a 130+ score. Setting it up nicely so far.
Shows how defensive kohli is as a captain not getting both spinners on earlier
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Ah
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Ah Root
What were you doing??
The ball wasn't there for that shot
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One of these 2 need to go big and get a 130+ score. Setting it up nicely so far.
Shows how defensive kohli is as a captain not getting both spinners on earlier
Jinxed!
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i wish i could stop typing this, its getting like shane watson.. roots gets fifty... root gone :/ god dammit joseph!!!
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Jadeja doing it again for India.
England's chances just went slimmer !!
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Jadeja doing it again for India.
England's chances just went slimmer !!
is this eoin morgans time to shine and get some runs ??
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What England need the most right now is early dew. Surprised it hasn't set yet. Eastern India is horrible that way. Jadhav might sneak a few overs in if the ball remains dry for longer.
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What a shot from JRoy
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Gosh we need a couple of big overs here, that asking rate is getting eye-wateringly high!
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Gosh we need a couple of big overs here, that asking rate is getting eye-wateringly high!
Its painfull watching morgan scratching around - get Jos in :/
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here comes the massive collapse :/
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Decent ball that to get Roy!
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Oh dear.........
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And the collapse is on! Amazing england only bowled 6 overs of spin
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Oh dear.........
its fine....................these 2 to win it for us.....................
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We are just not good enough
Needs someone to get their head down
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Don't want to blow trumpets as there a friends of mine but surley bairstow and duckett should be in this squad ???
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Playing spin is the issue again. England needed Roy and Root to go into 3 figures really.
Worried about Root and his current inability to progress a 50+ score into a 100+ score.
Still think we are in the game if Buttler and Cap'n Morgan can get going.
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And the collapse is on! Amazing england only bowled 6 overs of spin
Yup - and he was quite economical by comparison to the others. Jadeja just bowled a spell that;s potentially put us out of the game, deja vu from the first game!
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F**k this is the collapse now................
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Game over! Don't buy into this crap of batting deep...someone in the top 4 needs to go on and get 100+ not these 50s
Not sure why ashwin was bowling so defensive in the last game, gone back to his test match line
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Should have sent Moeen Ali ahead of Stokes and Butler. He would have batted at run a ball and played out Jadeja and Ashwin. Butler and Stoles could have caused a lot of damage coming in around this stage with Jadeja bowled out and Ashwin 1 over to bowl.
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What Is it with England inability to pick a bowling line up this tour. They got it wrong literally every test.
Last odi, 3 spinners bowled on a pitch not even the Indian spinners did anything on.
This game, 1 spinner bowled 6 overs while seam got carted.
Indian spinners have controlled this game and won it.
We really have no clue who to select on what pitch. It's embarrassing.
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Please please please, England selectors get the lad Billings in, would be perfect for situations just like this
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Please please please, England selectors get the lad Billings in, would be perfect for situations just like this
agree but who would you take out ???
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C'mon boys
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India's medium pacers getting some tap. Still only need 10rpo going into last 12 overs. Morgan could be playing a captain's knock here
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Run rate of 10 PO doable in last 10 overs in modern cricket
Shame about wickets
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as long as Morgan is there i'm not giving up :)
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Run rate of 10 PO doable in last 10 overs in modern cricket
Shame about wickets
Moeen Ali should have came ahead of Butler or even Stokes. He plays spin better and could have batted at run a ball with someone like Butler coming now and could have taken these medium pacers to cleaners.
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Once upon a time this score would have been well out of reach! The fact we're into the last 10 overs and still have a chance is good! Finally England have caught up in white ball cricket yes we may not win but at least there's now a chance of making 380/390/400
On a side note billings for hales next game please
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Might be better if ali gets out and get wiley in to give it a biff
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If we don't think our bowlers can restrict India to under 325, why does it matter if we have five or six?
It doesn't.
Drop a bowler, and Hales, get Billings and YJB in.
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All these dot balls.
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Might be better if ali gets out and get wiley in to give it a biff
Would that be Ali who has the highet SR of the innings so far?
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Might be better if ali gets out and get wiley in to give it a biff
Stupid comment when Ali batted the quickest and can be dangerous in these conditions just like last game where he batted at 160 strike rate. His innings has given England a sniff.
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Great advert for SF Stanford there
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Ahhh Mo
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Mo toe ends one and damages his bat.
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hahahahah ive done that before - changing a bat then get bowled next ball opps - come on woaksey
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Thought Plunkett or Willey would have been in next
EDIT
Cricinfo might have got it wrong, can anyone who's watching live confirm if it's Plunkett or Woakes in?
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Big wicket of Moeen Ali. He could have won the game. Time for Morgan to do something special
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Odd to send woakes in! Need someone who can Tee off from the start
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Woakes
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Woakes
Ah bollo@s
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Woakes fails with the bat
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Woakes
Cheers pal
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Willey opens for Yorkshire in t20s plunkett bats 8 or 9
For England, when quick runs needs, plunkett bats 9, Willey is ten. Makes sense.
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maybe old thinking of keeping right left hand in rather than just best player for job
plunkett hits some big ones as well though
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Still - on a positive note, it's good that Morgan's got some runs. Keep going son!
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Woakes fails with the bat
I imagine your room to be like ray finkles in ace Ventura pet detective.
#diewoakesdie
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Still - on a positive note, it's good that Morgan's got some runs. Keep going son!
he hasn't really batted for the team though ;)
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Hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee from Eoin Morgan
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he hasn't really batted for the team though ;)
Tend to agree. If it wasn't because of Moeen Alis innings required rate would been over 20 and game dusted.
Morgan despite pulling out a six every once in a while hasn't really tried to take the attack to India early which he should have as he was set in. Hopefully he plays a blinder in the last 3 overs
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I imagine your room to be like ray finkles in ace Ventura pet detective.
#diewoakesdie
Nearly spat my tea all over my desk :D
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on a side note
how good are india?
46-3 chased down 350 to win first ODI
today 26-3 and post 381...
surely, the only side in world cricket who could do this currently? and that too against a good England odi side..?
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India's death bowling has been pretty good. No full tosses and they've changed the pace up nicely
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This over will decide the game. England need at least 20 runs in this over.
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well batted eoin morgan - I take back what I said aha
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he hasn't really batted for the team though ;)
Who'd have thought anyone would ever say "an 80 ball 100 was a selfish innings with no thought for the team".
Odi cricket has come along way.
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on a positive note
Who would have thought a year ago we would get near chasing 380
improvement in batting just need to get bowling to same level
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absolute gutted :/ top work for England but a lot of room to improve
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Oh well
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bring us home son come on Eion
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Shame to lose Eoin there....
Also as a side note, Bumrah is the most awkward looking bloke I've ever seen, let alone most awkward looking professional sportsman!
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Score 720 runs in two innings and be 2-0 down in the series has to hurt!
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Roy's / Butler's were crucial wickets..
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amazing that this isn't even india's best batting line up yet they keep racking up scores after losing early wickets.
Good knock from yuvraj, counterattacked well.
England's last 20 overs cost them. Morgan made a mistake not bowling ali a couple more overs instead of stokes
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Valiant valiant effort by team England to make more than a match out of it.
Had a few Indian hearts in their mouths. Kudos
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A bit more application by stokes & butler perhaps
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Woakes fails with the bat
His strike rate was 125 though, he was clearly playing for the team ;)
He proved he was worthless with the ball too, after 3 wickets in his first 3 overs he only took 1 more... I can't believe he still gets in the side...
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Just remember around two years ago we couldn't chase 272, so to get this close in India is still a good effort
Can't begin to imagine how good things will be when Champions Trophy comes knocking
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We came close, but I'm struggling to see how we'll beat India in India
Bowl first, they have a batting lineup that someone will fire and end up going big. Their death bowlers then did a fantastic job.
Bat first, no matter how many we get Kohli will go into run chase mode.
Hopefully we keep our momentum going into the champions trophy, and can win games in our home conditions
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im pleased. I remember the old style game we played
we go down fighting chasing these big totals. the team will be better for it
BRITTANIA RULES THE WORLD!!!
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His strike rate was 125 though, he was clearly playing for the team ;)
He proved he was worthless with the ball too, after 3 wickets in his first 3 overs he only took 1 more... I can't believe he still gets in the side...
Don't forget though Indias ODI openers are out of form
Also Chris tried to wack the ball over mid wicket from outside off it looked an awful getting out shot
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Now since the series is lost, can England give Sam Billings a shot ? May be he can come in for Alex Hales ? Hales could probably get some rest before firing up for T20 series.
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Time for Dhawan to rethink his future. Cant think of him getting a game after Rohit and Rahane are back. Not sure why Rahane is dropped.
Batting will be strongest ever after they come back.
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Time for Dhawan to rethink his future. Cant think of him getting a game after Rohit and Rahane are back. Not sure why Rahane is dropped.
Batting will be strongest ever after they come back.
I guess Kohli is throwing some weight behind Dhawan to keep him around. He should be dropped and Rahane should be in the line up opening the attack ... there are other good players who are waiting for someone to fall apart :D - Suresh Raina, Ambati Rayudu etc ...
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Now since the series is lost, can England give Sam Billings a shot ? May be he can come in for Alex Hales ? Hales could probably get some rest before firing up for T20 series.
I'm not sure Hales has done anything to warrant a 'rest' but yes, no doubt billings will play in a dead rubber. That gives him one 50 over match and we have the mini World Cup here in a few months.
There are tough decisions to be made on selection, I can't believe we think we are good enough not to play Billings.
Maybe the England management don't rate him as much as the average fan does.
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Can I be controversial and say Stuart broad is doing a much better limited overs job with the ball in the bbl than I expected him to.
And currently I reckon broad would add more than plunkett, ball and and in the later overs Willey are currently for England.
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I'll be even more controversial and say, wouldn't KP also show most of em how to hit a ball?
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I'll be even more controversial and say, wouldn't KP also show most of em how to hit a ball?
I'm not sure batting is our issue.
Not saying kp can't do it, but when he was in the side we weren't breaking batting records like we currently are(yesterday being our highest ever second innings total, and 1st odi being our highest ever total in India before the 2nd game)
Bowling we look like the u13s taking on the club pro and his mates.
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It was slightly tongue in cheek.
It possibly needs the bowling looking at
I watched Indias batting on hi highlights and it looked brutal
Some serious clean hitting
Our bowlers looked a bit lost when some of the shots are played
There's not the wide Yorkers or into the pitch slower balls and stokes was just feeding the batters like it was a net.
There's a bit of work to be done, and I'm sure the boys will learn
It was a good game to watch
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Just watched highlights
Bowling was poo seemed like we had plan bowl short then couldn't change when it wasn't working
But screw all that yuvi looked irresistible, one of the better odi innings I've seen
Looked in total control and made destroying us look effortless
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agree with Smiley, Morgan hinted Broad had been bowling well at the death in the BBL.
Have to say I think he has been a bit unlucky not to play more ODI games.....it maybe we need some experience in the side. Yes...today most bowlers get tap, big bats short boundaries and all that(!)
we def do not need any more batting if we cannot get Billings in...
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Certainly Broad should have played also keep Plukett he rarely fails with the ball for England and unlike others in the team gets you big runs low down in the order.
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Another thing that struck me watching the India batting was Dhonis batting
With the batting the Indians have, you can be forgiven for forgetting about Dhoni, but for the love of, he didn't half give us a masterclass on hitting a cricket ball
I only hope I can watch him bat live one day, it's one thing watching on the tv, but to see the power and timing up close, I'm sure would be something to remember.
Ha ha, I can still remember the noise of Botham connecting with a few at a charity game at Blackpool many years ago
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agree with Smiley, Morgan hinted Broad had been bowling well at the death in the BBL.
Have to say I think he has been a bit unlucky not to play more ODI games.....it maybe we need some experience in the side. Yes...today most bowlers get tap, big bats short boundaries and all that(!)
we def do not need any more batting if we cannot get Billings in...
2nd ODI
The balance of the side was wrong You don't need willey Woakes Plukett and Ball in the the same team if three of these can't do the job four won't three should have played plus Billings
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Why does Willey play if he is only going to bowl with new ball
I know he takes wickets etc but we need to use him in middle overs as well
Cant have a bowler never bowling his full quota
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2nd ODI
The balance of the side was wrong You don't need willey Woakes Plukett and Ball in the the same team if three of these can't do the job four won't three should have played plus Billings
yep agree good point. we only have to get thru 50 overs not 100
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Why does Willey play if he is only going to bowl with new ball
I know he takes wickets etc but we need to use him in middle overs as well
Cant have a bowler never bowling his full quota
Exactly! For me willey would be better bowling ten up front he moved the ball and gets wickets early, no need to take him off while he's taking wickets and tbh he always seems economical from overs 3-10 as well
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Hales has broken his hand, perfect chance to get Sambo in
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Hales has broken his hand, perfect chance to get Sambo in
Just came to post that, but you beat me to it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/38694820 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/38694820)
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Why bother announcing a replacement just play billings!
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Vince/Duckett to be called up I imagine.
But yes, Billings HAS to play now.
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Why Sam Billings hasn't been playing anyway I can't understand for the life of me. Such an inventive player to watch, I'd rate him right up there with Jos Buttler in the talent stakes.
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But - surely YJB has to come in. You simply cannot justify leaving a world class player out.
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Billings. Got to come in for me.
Only a fully one eyed Yorkshireman would pick Bairstow... ;)
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But - surely YJB has to come in. You simply cannot justify leaving a world class player out.
Oh come on :) it's got to be billings first....bairstow is a terrific player but what are we doing with SB if we are not going to play him and find out.
I know I post some questionable stuff before 0730(pre coffee) but surely Billings is ahead and opens with Roy much as we like jonny
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Billings. Got to come in for me.
Only a fully one eyed Yorkshireman would pick Bairstow... ;)
Okay, caveat here is that I would play both of them in our strongest XI.
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Morgan
Buttler
Billings
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Woakes
Plunkett
But in a straight pick? Bairstow has been averaging 70 in Tests, scoring quickly. He builds innings brilliantly, has all the shots. He has that bit more class than Billings.
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I know I post some questionable stuff before 0730(pre coffee) but surely Billings is ahead and opens with Roy much as we like jonny
The one thing I really wouldn't so is open with Billings. His biggest plus, aside from his ability to play unorthodox shots at the very end of the innings, is that he is a superb player of spin. That means we should try and avoid having him blown away in the first few overs and save him for the middle period of the game. Either Root should step up one or, if we are really struggling for ideas, send Mr 1-9 Ali in there!
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Root to open, him and Roy could make a formidable opening pair.
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Okay, caveat here is that I would play both of them in our strongest XI.
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Morgan
Buttler
Billings
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Woakes
Plunkett
But in a straight pick? Bairstow has been averaging 70 in Tests, scoring quickly. He builds innings brilliantly, has all the shots. He has that bit more class than Billings.
That's the team I'd be picking (with Hales for Bairstow when fit) as all of our bowlers are getting pumped, might as well drop a bowler, have 5 that get smashed instead of 6 and have an extra batter...
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Can they call broad up as hales replacement?
Noticed they said he's only being replaced for t20s so billings deffo in for last odi if they have brains.
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Okay, caveat here is that I would play both of them in our strongest XI.
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Morgan
Buttler
Billings
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Woakes
Plunkett
But in a straight pick? Bairstow has been averaging 70 in Tests, scoring quickly. He builds innings brilliantly, has all the shots. He has that bit more class than Billings.
Come on now, it's not a test match is it though ;) Take a look at their list A records, Bairstow isn't even close to Billings in limited overs cricket. Batting in mostly similar positions in the same competition, Billings scores faster, more heavily and at an average 15 higher than YJB, more tons in less games too.
Also Stokes at 7, Rashid above Woakes in the order, Willey dropped?
I'd bring Rashid back, Dawson to get a go for Moeen and obviously Billings in for the last game.
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Serious question because my memory is shocking, but did Billings not open in Bangladesh and do a pretty good job? Ready made replacement and no-one else should be mentioned!
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Serious question because my memory is shocking, but did Billings not open in Bangladesh and do a pretty good job? Ready made replacement and no-one else should be mentioned!
Yes believe so in one match that tour and def in one match this one in a warm up game we had. Got around 70 in each.
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Yes believe so in one match that tour and def in one match this one in a warm up game we had. Got around 70 in each.
93 batting at 3 in the warm up and 62 opening in Bangladesh :)
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Bairstow replaces hales in the t20 squad.
Ecb using there noggin and saving an air fare.
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England batting with both bairstow and billings playing
Wow that's a green wicket!
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Slow start from England, not your typical Indian pitch!
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Hope Billings gets a big score and then a run in the team
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Steady start don't look like the other wickets in the series so far.
There three t20 games after this so you would think billings will get 4 matches to play. Root will need to come back in when fit, prob for bairstow?
We are getting clos to our very best side for the summers tournament here. As others have mentioned thou wonder if Stuart broad will come in
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Roy has caught the big from root. The failure to convert big!!
Or he just jadejas bunny.
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Jadeja is a very good and clever bowler for India I've rarely seen hi go round the park and it's the length he bowls which is so good.
It's exactly what we need a bowler like him, not sure where we are going to get one thou :)
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Another lesson in how not to manage a player by the ECB.
Billings, young, talented, in good form, isn't selected for the first two games. Fine.
They then make him open instead of promoting a senior player, placing him under instant tremendous pressure in unfamiliar territory.
He's now struggled, got out for a sticky 30 odd and looked distraught on the way off, giving a little scream. He'll be thinking that was his big chance- and he blew it! Which isn't true, or fair.
Great bowling by Jadeja, sure- but that was a wicket signed, sealed and delivered by the ECB.
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Bairstow survives thanks to the no ball. Needs to make the most of his luck
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No ball!!!
Never under stand that, the first reply shows there nothing anywhere new rbehond the line, so why do they then search dodgy angles to try and find something that is??
Call it a no ball and move on!!
Life for jb
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Has Morgans sf got a big taper bottom to top?
Looks a nice bit of willow
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This is quite nice
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Great hitting here after that no ball! Target should be 370
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Mogggggggy
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Enjoying this. Decent scoring pace!
EDIT- My fault, sorry Morgs
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How unlucky is that! Either side
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Time for the angry northern gingers to save us once again
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Is anyone else enjoying the fact that this pitch has a little in it for the bowlers? I find this much more interesting than a batting onslaught on a flatty.
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This isn't looking good at the end.
Ali has been poor, no idea on the short ball.
Willey, plunkett, should both be batting before him in these situations.
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We are 2 weeks away from not having to tour the subcontinent for centuries, thank God
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Mo shows he's weakness against the short ball.
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Ali love him as a player but he has not been weak against the short ball on this tour. He has been weak against it in tests and one dayers since he started playing. Absolutely baffling to me why he has batted higher than 7 in any format.
We are very close to being a good side who can compete for a 50 over trophy. Dawson may be worth a try left arm over or try to get Root to burgle a few of the 50 overs when he gets back in.
That would leave a space for billings, or, a specialist batsman baistow(alright @Manormanic ). :)
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Stokes has been to great to watch in these sort of situations, graft
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Sir Garfield Woakes at the death
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#dropwoakes
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#dropwoakes
Playing for his average, trying to get down the non strikers end.
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Playing for his average, trying to get down the non strikers end.
English type pitch 34 off 20 good but not great.
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Think 328 is a good score on here. Movement for the seamers throughout the innings. England should cruise this even with the dew later
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English type pitch 34 off 20 good but not great.
Give him some credit man, top knock by a no.8 in the circumstances
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English type pitch 34 off 20 good but not great.
So are we saying Stokes was poor too
Woakes strike rate better than Stokes in this innings
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I love the big swinging Willey
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English type pitch 34 off 20 good but not great.
What?! That was a class knock, especially compared to Ali. So underrated.
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Playing out like it has done in the previous two games
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Yuvraj without a bat sponsor, I can't imagine it will be long before someone snaps him up
Yuvi now batting with a TON
Took all of 2 games to get a sponsor
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English type pitch 34 off 20 good but not great.
I get the impression Woakes could take 10 wickets in 10 balls and score a 17 ball hundred and you'd still say he wasn't good enough.
Blinkers off, please...
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Ali love him as a player but he has not been weak against the short ball on this tour. He has been weak against it in tests and one dayers since he started playing. Absolutely baffling to me why he has batted higher than 7 in any format.
We are very close to being a good side who can compete for a 50 over trophy. Dawson may be worth a try left arm over or try to get Root to burgle a few of the 50 overs when he gets back in.
That would leave a space for billings, or, a specialist batsman baistow(alright @Manormanic ). :)
Amazes me that some rave over Billings making 30 before playing a daft shot, but Bairstow makes a well pace 60 and noone thinks it worth a mention.
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Dropping Kohli, no issues yeah. Ah.
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Game has been dropped
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So are we saying Stokes was poor too
Woakes strike rate better than Stokes in this innings
It's different Situation though when you come in first innings with 5 overs left and. There's 250 plus on the board and 4 wickets left and all the 4 guys left can bat you can have a go
in any case one knock swinging the bat getting edges doesn't prove a thing.
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Thank God for Ben Stokes
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Didn't he get a match drawing 95 not out not so long ago? Not sure even with all the luck in the world you can get 95 runs of edges
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Bairstow did bat very well today, with Stokes getting us up to something Decent to bowl at.
We got kholi now we just need youvraj but if we keep bowling pies he is going to hit them
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Didn't he get a match drawing 95 not out not so long ago? Not sure even with all the luck in the world you can get 95 runs of edges
Yes Tom
96 against A poor Sri Lanka bowling attack in England in 2017
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Plunkett deserved that wicket bowling well.
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96 against A poor Sri Lanka bowling attack in England in 2017
His top score is 95* made in 2016
If he makes 96 against Sri Lanka in the 2017 champions trophy I'll buy you a new bat!
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May well have been a weak attack but still gotta score 'em, and from memory the only other batsmen who really got going was Buttler, weak attack or not almost everyone else failed and he stood up and played a well paced, calm and controlled innings that stopped us losing the match. Guess he placed the edges well.....
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Anyway, moving on from #blinkergate
Anyone notice he majority of England batsmen in Masuri s had the new style ones on, not the halo one.
Is it that much better, lighter, comfier??
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Dhoni's just done a Woakes and top edged a six, best drop him, he's got a lower strike rate as well
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MS is a proven match winner But hopefully not today.
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As I said 321 is plenty. England should win easily
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Surely someone in the Indian dressing room has some bat tape! Pandya using what looks like medical strapping tape to fix the toe of his bat
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This lad yadav is some serious talent! All the shots
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Eng should win this easily... Despite last Yuvi and Dhoni knocks, they are well past their prime...if top order/kohli fail, most games Ind will lose except for the odd magic by someone..
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Looks like plaster which back in the day was quite common.a bloke i batted with had the whole bat covered in it.
Not designed to come off once its on!
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England have had no luck. Repeatedly beat the bat and when they slog and it catches the outside edge it flies for six. India have had some massive luck in the last 30 mins or so. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
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That said if you bowl short down leg you deserve to go for 4. Sometimes wonder if these guys are professional cricketers sometimes!
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Really poor bowling, getting carried away banging it in. You'd think Baylis knows this ground given he coached here
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Bowling is shocking here. Far to short, far to obvious.
We don't deserve to win if we can't realise this is shocking.
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So predictable
Both just sitting on back foot
Do the bowlers not have eyes or brain cells
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So stokes pitches it up and gets a wicket
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Stokes gets that right....as last :)
Halfway down I just don't get
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Ginnggeeess
England have been the same for a while, we are much better with the bat, but bowling it always seems we have a set we lan and don't have the brains to change it when it isn't working.
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Back to bowling full tosses. Another way to kill the game off quickly
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WAHEY!
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Woakes !!
If @WalkingWicket37 is flinging out new bats on a forum bet let's all pile in.
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WE MIGHT ACTUALLY WIN A DEAD RUBBER IN INDIA! I REPEAT: WE MIGHT ACTUALLY WIN A DEAD RUBBER IN INDIA!
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16 off last over.
Stokes happy he is bowled out!!
No full tosses please Christopher!!
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Terrific over from jake ball that.
Woakes last one come on son you can do it :)
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16 of 6, over to you woakes
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Oh no! Not again
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo
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Woakes has mucked it up! 2 juicy half volleys.
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I imagine senior is furiosly banging his keyboard as we speak!!
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Woakes!
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I imagine senior is furiosly banging his keyboard as we speak!!
And now furiously hitting delete........ while whistling
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Woakes!!!!
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Great pressure catch from billings there
:)
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Woakes !!! (Got to type it twice)
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Just liked my own post
England !!!
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Fielders are allowed to catch it you can't pitch leg hit off every week.
Packed offside field Woakes bowled to what the captain set. That what we needed to do. If it goes over cover for six well what can you do :)
Great game thou wasn't it?
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Yes roll on Thursdays first T20.
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Kedar jadhav is the find for India this tour. He is 31, little late but hope he stays specially with rahane , dhawan out of form. Great game again and well played woakes and Stokes.
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So we lost two one in India, but some very interesting stats and records got near.
Jason roys 220 runs was the second highest ever by an Englishman in a 3 games series.
Ben stokes two fifties(33 and 34balls) were the fastest two fifties ever by an Englishman against india(did someone on here claim hear never done anything in an odi?)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/E94A734C-BB8A-4D7E-A11A-62D32439A886_zpsom78ktia.png) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/E94A734C-BB8A-4D7E-A11A-62D32439A886_zpsom78ktia.png.html)
Interest stat is chris woakes SR at 165, a guy accused of batting for his average and not for the team.
On woakes
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Top wicket taker, good average, good SR and decent economy in terms of this series.
Definately #dropwoakes
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Slightly off topic but i wonder what price you would get now for Woakes as top wicket taker in the Champions Trophy.
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Don't get too excited over 3 matches
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Woakes will always be one of those guys that becomes a worse player when he's in the side, he gets an awful lot of stick on here which personally I think is undeserved, he's had. A fairly decent series stats wise but when you e watched it's not always appears to been he best, I think even with an average woakes England will be a better side that one without woakes in it, anyway onto the t20s
I think hear will be similar to the Odis but I can see England winning 2-1 I think the shorter format takes home conditions out of the equation somewhat and following the w/c last year we should be confident in this format!
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Slightly off topic but i wonder what price you would get now for Woakes as top wicket taker in the Champions Trophy.
Not a bad shout that, you'd think Starc would be the heavy favourite though.
Good to see Jake Ball seems to be consistently taking wickets, can see him doing very well in home conditions too.
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agree Alex, he's not a world beater, just a decent player and we will need him when jimmy retires, he's quick as well. didn't used to be but he is now.
I don't like stats, people interpret them different ways depending on your agenda(not yours anyones agenda)
it took bottle to bowl that last over.
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Not a bad shout that, you'd think Starc would be the heavy favourite though.
Good to see Jake Ball seems to be consistently taking wickets, can see him doing very well in home conditions too.
penultimate over from Ball was superb, he has pace and height
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Problem with stats is they can be misleading.
England win one match In India and certain players are written about as if they are heroes
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Jadeja and Ashwin rested from the t20's despite being in the squad original, mishra and rasool called up.
There any news on willey's injury? Can't find anything on the usual sources?
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penultimate over from Ball was superb, he has pace and height
Without a doubt it made England favourites going into the last over if Billings had dropped that last over catch it would have left India wanting 2 runs from 2 balls.
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All 3 ODIs could have gone either way. The prrformance of 1 or 2 players made the difference.
Its nice that both teams looked so evenly matched on all the ODI games as it makes for better viewing.
It was just a shame that England didn't seem up for fighting in the Test matches in the same way.
Win, lose or draw it should be a competitively fought T20 series. Or at least i hope it will be. 🤐
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agree Alex, he's not a world beater, just a decent player and we will need him when jimmy retires, he's quick as well. didn't used to be but he is now.
I don't like stats, people interpret them different ways depending on your agenda(not yours anyones agenda)
it took bottle to bowl that last over.
Neither do i stats.are looked at and you think they are decent or poor rarely gives the true picture
Not sure it took bottle to bowl that last over when it's your job in the side it's what your there to do
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Neither do i stats.are looked at and you think they are decent or poor rarely gives the true picture
Not sure it took bottle to bowl that last over when it's your job in the side it's what your there to do
Nasser did a great section in the break during the game just how much the bowlers margin has shrunk in the last few years, even the last couple. Batsmen with big bats and fielding restrictions are making the margin for error very small.
back in our days Senior........you would never see a Yorker hit for anything but a scrambled single, now batsmen are making shots out of nothing.And the fielding restrictions really do make a difference-there's gaps everywhere.
I think the game has changed, like many I look at our death bowling and weep sometimes, but the game is loaded in favour of the batsmen, our bowlers are trying to hit a small area.
Morgan packed the offside in the last over, the first couple went for boundaries thru the offside. Woakes had to hit that plan despite being carted thru the same area.
I think we need to give some credit to Woakes here @Seniorplayer :)
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The argument about stats can be manipulated is a strange one here.
Have they taken wickets off other people and given them to Woakes? Have they knocked runs off Woakes' overs and given them to other bowlers?
Woakes is a hard worker and has proven he's got the quality for international cricket. He doesn't have the natural talent of Stokes, but has put in a lot of effort to get I to the side and prove his worth. Just because he ran over you cat or something there's no reason to constantly slate his cricket. He puts on an England shirt and performs well. What more do you want from him?
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RIP senior players cat. I still miss my cat he died 10 years ago.
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Far too much is being made on here about Woakes "working hard" rather than being talented I think - yes he has worked hard and needed to put some pace on for the international game to really succeed, but bizarre to deny he's a proper natural talent? This is a guy with a better FC bowling average than either Broad or Jimmy, bear in mind, who's always swung the ball both ways. Just because he needed to put 10mph on his bowling to get consistent success in international cricket doesn't mean he's not a talent.
Been one of the best players in county cricket for years, obviously a classy bowler, took a 6-fer away in Aus in his first international series, proper batsman good enough to get his test debut as a no.6 bat, what more do you want? It took work and time for Stokes to nail down a spot in the team too, international debut in 2011 and wasn't a guaranteed pick in any format til 2015. Working hard doesn't make either of them less talented.
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Urrrrrmmmm did anyone (other than @Seniorplayer) say Woakes wasn't talented?
I said natural talent, which was perhaps the wrong term as it's clearly been misinterpreted, so I'll rephrase
"While Chris Woakes is a fine player in his own right, he doesn't have the same "flare" or "X-Factor" that empties every bar in the ground as England's other all rounder, Ben Stokes.
Both are real assets to the side, and could win a game for England."
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The argument about stats can be manipulated is a strange one here.
Have they taken wickets off other people and given them to Woakes? Have they knocked runs off Woakes' overs and given them to other bowlers?
Woakes is a hard worker and has proven he's got the quality for international cricket. He doesn't have the natural talent of Stokes, but has put in a lot of effort to get I to the side and prove his worth. Just because he ran over you cat or something there's no reason to constantly slate his cricket. He puts on an England shirt and performs well. What more do you want from him?
Consistent performances that's what all players need and the public like to see .
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Urrrrrmmmm did anyone (other than @Seniorplayer) say Woakes wasn't talented?
I said natural talent, which was perhaps the wrong term as it's clearly been misinterpreted, so I'll rephrase
"While Chris Woakes is a fine player in his own right, he doesn't have the same "flare" or "X-Factor" that empties every bar in the ground as England's other all rounder, Ben Stokes.
Both are real assets to the side, and could win a game for England."
Wrong Cam
Nowhere in my posts do I write Wasn't or isn't talented
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Blimey this guy Mills looks quick...
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Ah, Chris Jordan with a no ball
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Ah, Chris Jordan with a no ball
i was wondering where chris Jordan went to...he's back
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Oh look a cricketer running for the ball at full pelt and about to dive.
I'll stand as close to boundary as I can on his line, he'll definately stops short of me.........
Boom!!!
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MO!
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england have done well in the first 8 overs not letting india get away
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You can almost hear a pin drop
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England should cruise this now, even if they get 150 which looks very unlikely
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Only England can struggle to fit in all the batting talent into their 11 then have a bowler bowl 0 overs!
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Rashid in the side as a batsman perhaps
If they were unsure about bowling him why didn't they play another batter at number 8
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Lovely ramp shot from Billings
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For the first time in India this tour England get there bowling attack right.
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Just the 20 off the over for Billings!
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England been undone by the leggie... both openers gone!
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Morgan looks like he's back to his old ways, a joy to watch.
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What a bit of fielding that was! Class!
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One day Morgan will be in his 70s in a bar telling a story about how he selected Rashid as a specialist fielder and won.
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Ho Joe hang on its a no ball !
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on his day morgan can win matches, he's scored runs against the best, so that's why when team selection gets tight, you got to look to keep him in and shift someone else.
he's hit and miss yes but he's a match winner
just my opinion but I think Billings has similar potential.
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on his day morgan can win matches, he's scored runs against the best, so that's why when team selection gets tight, you got to look to keep him in and shift someone else.
he's hit and miss yes but he's a match winner
just my opinion but I think Billings has similar potential.
yes but then afridi was a match winner too
ideally u want just more consistency from your match winners
morgan defo more consistent then afridi :)
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Billigs has the ability to win matches with ease - but he needs to develop enough to play each ball, and not try to destroy everything.
Buttler is as destructive as either Billings and Morgan but needs to find his form in the next couple of matches.
If England could rely on Ali every match (in other words, if he bowled the same kind of quality as he did today in every game) then imagine replacing Rashid with Bairstow/Hales or another batsman!
Although to be honest, the batting line up still looked extremely strong with Rashid!!
But anyway, I suspect India will bounce back strongly - so tougher tests to follow in the next two matches!!
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Very few old players are doing well currently in T20Is in all teams. India with yuvraj, raina and dhoni are sure to go downhill if not already...instead of grooming youngsters, negative approach by indian selectors by bringing in the discards based on their form 5 years back..So far all problems have been masked due to the brilliant form of kohli..when kohli fails, very difficult for india to win except for the odd games when someone steps up...Yuvraj single handedly lost india the game in a previous t20 wc finals. Still selectors have brought him back again...on other hand england are on right track for all limited overs formats..only if they can dare to remove morgan if he is out of form which is generally the case most of the times..
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Very few old players are doing well currently in T20Is in all teams. India with yuvraj, raina and dhoni are sure to go downhill if not already...instead of grooming youngsters, negative approach by indian selectors by bringing in the discards based on their form 5 years back..So far all problems have been masked due to the brilliant form of kohli..when kohli fails, very difficult for india to win except for the odd games when someone steps up...Yuvraj single handedly lost india the game in a previous t20 wc finals. Still selectors have brought him back again...on other hand england are on right track for all limited overs formats..only if they can dare to remove morgan if he is out of form which is generally the case most of the times..
I agree that England's approach towards moving on from their veteran players has allowed them to get the next generation of one day players into the team, and that in turn has seen an uptick in their performance in the one day game. For instance moving on from Cook and Bell in the one day setup has been a positive move because their game was more suited towards the longer format. However, I still believe that Kevin Pietersen could have remained a key part of their one day set up had they kept him in the side rather than send him into international exile. Players with that level of ability and experience can still be valuable in a team, so perhaps that is why India have decided to remain loyal to players like Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni? Granted I do agree that they do need to consider some of the up and coming players if their ageing veterans are not performing (though Raina is only 30, which isn't old) and they are getting left behind, but sometimes it can be difficult for teams to move on from players with their status in the game.
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In T20, by the time you realize the stature of the player, the game is over lol..Best thing eng did back then was to get rid of Cook and co in limited overs despite their "stature"..they were years behind in limited overs cricket and see where they are now...even though eng lost odis by 2-1, the way they played, they can replicate success easily as everyone contributed in every game unlike ind which won due to some individual outstanding performances, which is not an easy model to replicate..
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In T20, by the time you realize the stature of the player, the game is over lol..Best thing eng did back then was to get rid of Cook and co in limited overs despite their "stature"..they were years behind in limited overs cricket and see where they are now...even though eng lost odis by 2-1, the way they played, they can replicate success easily as everyone contributed in every game unlike ind which won due to some individual outstanding performances, which is not an easy model to replicate..
Just looking at the IPL last season, seven of the top ten run scorers were Indian: three were at least thirty years old Dhawan (30), Vijay (32), and Gambhir (34); and the other four were Kohli (27), Rahane (28), Sharma (28), and Raina (29). If you look at positions 11-20 on the run scorers list, there was Karun Nair (24), Lokesh Rahul (24 - currently in the t20 team), and Sanju Samson (21); and in positions 21-30 there was Krunal Pandya (25) and Manish Pandey (26 - currently in the t20 team). So in last year's IPL only nine of the top thirty run scorers were Indian and under 30 years old at the time.
Compare that to the Natwest t20 blast. Five of the top ten run scorers were English and under thirty years old (Cockbain, Roy, Duckett, Cobb, Northeast). In positions 11-20 on the run scorers list there was Lloyd, Bell-Drummond, Hain, Malan, Stoneman, and D'Oliveira; and in positions 21-30 there was Jennings, Kohler-Cadmore, Rossington, Lyth and Dawson. So out of the top thirty run scorers in last season's t20 tournament, 16 were English and under thirty years old. Some of them are currently in the England one day setup and others are on the fringes of the England one day setup or involved in the Lions. That's one of the big differences between the IPL and our t20 tournament, in our t20 tournament you often see more young talent emerge and take centre stage, whereas in the IPL it tends to be the big name players that take centre stage. Does having more young players on the top run scorers list make England's talent pool better than India's? Not necessarily, but it certainly gives England a fairly deep pool of young talent to choose from in their one day set up. That's big reason why the selectors have the desire and willingness to give these exciting young players an opportunity to play on the international stage because they are generally scoring the most runs in their domestic t20 tournament.
As for India, perhaps they should turn to Nair or Samson in their batting line up rather than Yuvraj, and consider finding a new keeper to take the gloves off Dhoni. But in India's defence, they have started to blood in younger players: Rahul (24), Pandey (27), Pandya (23), Rasool (27), Bumrah (23), and Chahal (26) - that's six players that have made their debut within the last two years. Kohli is still only 28 years old. An argument can be made that today they were let down by their experienced batsmen not converting their starts to big runs, but that can happen in any match, and I wouldn't expect India to fall flat again on Sunday.
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Morgan looks like he's back to his old ways, a joy to watch.
He is doing well lately, is it the new bat??? ;)
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It's from playing against good competition in the BBL
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England thoroughly outplayed India. This England side is a joy to watch in the limited overs matches. They play no fear cricket.
The bowling line up is versatile and can deliver in all conditions. Jordan is a good death bowler and Mills surely should play all T20 games.
The only slight negative is that Root might not fit in the T20 side unless he improves his power game. Any thoughts on whether Root should go out once Hales is back?
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I would be a fan of resting Root from as many T20 games as possible to prolong his form and drivein the other 2 formats.
Sure I'll be shot down, but he could be our best test bat ever so missing out occasionally is fine.
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Without Root, we would have lost to South Africa in the group stages of the World Cup and had a very early exit.
Don't judge him on yesterday's game, we had it in the bag and he had no reason to attack.
Yes he can't hit it as far as the others but he can tick along easily at a decent strike rate and win us games with ease.
Joe root is the highest ranked English t20 batsman currently.
Joe root was our leading run scorer in the World Cup, 243 runs at an SR of 145!!
I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game.
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Without Root, we would have lost to South Africa in the group stages of the World Cup and had a very early exit.
Don't judge him on yesterday's game, we had it in the bag and he had no reason to attack.
Yes he can't hit it as far as the others but he can tick along easily at a decent strike rate and win us games with ease.
Joe root is the highest ranked English t20 batsman currently.
Joe root was our leading run scorer in the World Cup, 243 runs at an SR of 145!!
I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game.
"I'm begining to think people don't actually watch cricket, or atleast don't remember more than the last game." :D
Short memories
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Root plays all 3 formats, period. And this stuff about 'rest' all the time is a load of absolute nonsense.
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Well my point has nothing to do with yesterdays game, mine is a long term view.
I've heard he has some sort of back complaint and as a die-hard England fan I want him to play for as long as possible.
MY PERSONAL view of T20's is they are a bit of fun and knockabout, therefore I would be happy for key England personnel who play a lot of games to miss a few of them and get a bit of a rest.
Just my two pennorth and no knee-jerking going on here.
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Well my point has nothing to do with yesterdays game, mine is a long term view.
I've heard he has some sort of back complaint and as a die-hard England fan I want him to play for as long as possible.
MY PERSONAL view of T20's is they are a bit of fun and knockabout, therefore I would be happy for key England personnel who play a lot of games to miss a few of them and get a bit of a rest.
Just my two pennorth and no knee-jerking going on here.
Wasn't necessarily aimed at you, it has been said before and sgxricket described him as a negative.
As for Root, if he wants to play t20s then let him. as forcing him to miss them may have a negative effect elsewhere.
If your good enough to be picked for all 3 formats then do you wish you should get to play them.
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I would be a fan of resting Root from as many T20 games as possible to prolong his form and drivein the other 2 formats.
Sure I'll be shot down, but he could be our best test bat ever so missing out occasionally is fine.
Couldn't agree more. Plus the pressure he will be under if given the test captaincy as well as playing all 3 formats.
There isn't a need for him to play. Smiley puts some good stats up but the truth is that others haven't been given a chance.
I watch a lot of cricket and for me Butler and Stokes and 5/6 for a T20 is a waste of talent..
The other pluses of Root not playing T20 is that he might cut out those silly one day shots that have constantly got him out in Test matches over the last 2 years...
Lancashire currently don't consider Haseeb for the really short format of the game and I hope they never do for obvious reasons and for me the same should be for Root.
If he captains, fatherhood, British press and his own standards are an awful lot to carry on ones young shoulders, so why let him play T20? It's not like we need him..
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Root plays all 3 formats, period. And this stuff about 'rest' all the time is a load of absolute nonsense.
Sports are all about opinions...
BUT sir your opinion on Root playing T20 is complete and utter rubbish :-P
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Ultimately if the player wants to play and he's good enough then he'll do so. Ain't gonna change and it's gonna be gr8
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England's batting reserves are so strong would England miss Him if he didn't play and let's not forget Joe has a reluctant to go aerial
Why risk him picking up an injury playing this stuff.
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SR of 133 & average of 40 in T20i's
I think it's fair to say England would miss him!
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Well my point has nothing to do with yesterdays game, mine is a long term view.
I've heard he has some sort of back complaint and as a die-hard England fan I want him to play for as long as possible.
MY PERSONAL view of T20's is they are a bit of fun and knockabout, therefore I would be happy for key England personnel who play a lot of games to miss a few of them and get a bit of a rest.
Just my two pennorth and no knee-jerking going on here.
Play him in as many games as possible in as many formats as possible and burn him out... Please ;) :D
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root might not be a big hitter but look ta the w/c south africa chase there is no way wed have got anywhere near without root,
hes the sort of player thsat bats for a time and suddenly is 80* off 50 and you dont know how, hes a quality run scorer and manipulates fields and finds boundaries better than anyone else in the england team, this allows other guys such as morgan, roy and billings to attack knowing root will do what root does!
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Cattus knows as im sure lots of others do Root has a back complaint.
the question of just how much cricket our best players play is a good one, playing him till burn out or he gets injured is just plain stupid.
I think the reason Cat posted this question is because a few of us on here have seen England over 30 or even 40 years, seen batsmen come and go and only now and again do you get someone as good as Root potential is
Gooch, Gower, Kevin Pieterson, Root.......pretty small club that.
personally I think it might depend whether Root is appointed England Captain, I don't believe he will be this year, I think the delay is getting Cook to do another year.
just my opinion :)
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Root knows how to play - he has a cricketing brain! If you compare Billings and Root....Billings has the talent to be as destructive as anyone in T20 but he only plays one way, which is pure aggression! Root can be destructive but he can look at a situation and alter his aggression to suit what is required!
If Billings can spend more time learning how to change up and change down (depending on the game situation) from the likes of Root, Morgan and even Buttler, then he could become a truly World Class batsman!
@Number4 Billings would always be a good player whether playing in BBL or not. But in all seriousness, I think that Jordan has improved his bowling since he has been playing BBL and seems to be bowling with more confidence and consistency! Coincidence? Who knows....and even Broad looks to have improved too since being in BBL! You may have a point mate ;)
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@Number4 sorry - you were talking about Morgs, not Billings! You may have a point indeed! ;)
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I think when he gets the test captains job he stop playing T20 as to manage his heailt and fitness
Also if Cook was not staying as Captain Untill after the austrailian tour an announcement would have been made last week
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Same 14 players announced for the West Indian odi tour.
Was 15 but hales omitted due to his injury and no replacement added. Tad harsh on duckett no? Or has his time been called already by the English management.
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When is the Windies tour, and how many games, do we know?
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3 games in March.
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3rd 5th and 9th 13 .30 start our time.
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Morgan's toss winning skills have been exceptional through this tour, therefore he should keep the captaincy.
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Shocking decision by the local ump!
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Ah, poor umpiring with an included lack of DRS in T20Is
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How on earth did he ever think that wasn't hitting?
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And he's off! That decision is going to cost them here
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Chris Jordan is a legend
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That lbw was shocking. How is that going over? A case of hold on its kohli it's definitely not out.
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Think 150-160 looks a good score here. Not the greatest of wickets
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Ah, more crooked umpiring
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Rashid has no bottle whenever under pressure...and whys a pitiful bowler like Dawson playing.
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Nick knight the commentator that keeps giving.
"Who's gonna bowl the last 3"
Nlick- "Jordan with two and stoke and mills to share the other end"
"There only 3 overs left nick"
Nick- "oh yeah, errr one each and Jordan with 2 then".......
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India have got there. Batting line up wrong the best finisher in the game doesn't come into bat until 16 balls left
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India have got there. Batting line up wrong the best finisher in the game doesn't come into bat until 10 Balls left
Agree.
Add that Pandey hasn't scored a boundary yet and it's confusing why he came in before dhoni?
Pandey just hit a massive six as I'm writing though......
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What a great final over from Jordan
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India finish on 144 on a slow pitch both sides will fancy winning this but knowing what they need to get England are favourites.
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For God's sake, it is an insult to many excellent cricketers to call Dhoni the best finisher. In last 4-5 years, please show one instance when he "finished". He was one years ago, not anymore. When will the selectors realize this it is nobody's guess. Would be interesting to see Dhoni's SR in last few years, cant remember a single great innings...Yuvi, the less said the better, the guy himself seems to be surprised how he got selected with all the great talents around him in domestic cricket..
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Now waiting for eng to show ind on how to bat in T20...
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Hey Roy I have a bat for you!!!!
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Roy toe ends one spells the end for his bat.
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What happens if someone hits that Hyundai? Other than a dent or broken glass!
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Spinners bowling no balls should be shot.
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lol @ Mishra
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I hope this bloke never umpires again, another dreadful call
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India seem to have 12 men this game!
2 absolute mare decisions.
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MOM to that Indian Umpire $$$
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Although India bowled really well at the death, England should still have won from there position with 5 to go.
Last ball though, wide fill toss and Ali didn't even get wood on it! Shocking.
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Well bowled at the end but that Umpire was shocking!
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India win by 5 runs. Well done to the umpire, think Mr Kohli owes him a drink or two...
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#dropwoakes
England lost so he must be to blame
And
On a serious note root and Morgan plodding didn't help umpire was awful and buttler not being able to pick bumrahs slower ball doesn't help
Makes the last t20 a good one, still think England have too much! 2-1 England for he series
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That umpire was shocking.
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Poor umpiring but Joes power hitting needs work.
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I am surprised that people are blaming Jos here. He is the one who brought game into last over and ended up with 15 off 10 coming under pressure and from no prior form. The ones who played earlier and ate up all the balls are the ones to be blamed..
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An in form guy makes 17 off 23 putting pressure on the rest after him... i guess he is to take responsibility for the result.. root had an off day with respect to Strike rate... wouldnt blame him much given how much he contributes in most of the games
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Same old England on a slow low wicket.
No idea why there isn't drs in t20 cricket, arguably you get more game changing decisions in t20 cricket
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Thank you Joe Root.
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Slows the game down and controversy helps make an entertaining format???
Games already slow enough with drinks breaks every 2/3 overs
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wiping due off the ground I think is crap...
part of the toss....
well bowled Bumrah
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Disappointing result but should lead to a thrilling finale in Bangalore. Jos' batting has been pretty drab in the limited overs portion of the tour. Maybe he's to eager to show the Indian masses his talents
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thought England were poor in this game
to lsoe with 38 needed off 38 balls against india's 2nd xi attack (remember main spin duo have been rested) is a poor effort IMO.
surprised more people haven't said so...
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thought England were poor in this game
to lsoe with 38 needed off 38 balls against india's 2nd xi attack (remember main spin duo have been rested) is a poor effort IMO.
surprised more people haven't said so...
surprised more people hav'nt mentioned the umpiring which to be fair.....was worse than poor.
not making excuses but Ravi Shastri could of giving the Indian man of the match award to the umps.
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aren't umpiring mistakes part of the game? and mistakes happen for sure.
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aren't umpiring mistakes part of the game? and mistakes happen for sure.
DRS get's rid of most of them.
if it's a world cup final would you want a TV review or the sort of shockers we saw yesterday?
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DRS get's rid of most of them.
if it's a world cup final would you want a TV review or the sort of shockers we saw yesterday?
This is basically what Morgan has said, move in but we'd be seriously angry if it was a World Cup game
I think that's the point really can we afford this sort of decision in a word event?
Also when did two home umpires happen I though there had to be at least one neutral?
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for t20's believe, they can be 2 home umpires and don't need to be on the elite panel
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DRS get's rid of most of them.
if it's a world cup final would you want a TV review or the sort of shockers we saw yesterday?
most, meaning mistakes are still made
I genuinely think the error is covering up a poor batting performance.
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if you are chasing 145 in a t20 game, you shouldn't end up losing and still have 4 wickets in hand. that implies the whole innings was perhaps mis paced?
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not sure I buy the wickets argument to be honst - there are too many variables.
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most, meaning mistakes are still made
I genuinely think the error is covering up a poor batting performance.
ErrorS
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ErrorS
Lol, ok fair dos. 2 errors from one guy. Same guy apparently umpiring last game too. :(
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not sure I buy the wickets argument to be honst - there are too many variables.
what would you say the variables are?
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what would you say the variables are?
well, the "too many wickets left" argument suggests you think more risks earlier in the innings was the way to go. But actually, that wasn't really the case - Root and Stokes had the target well under control, it only ever went above nine in the 18th over. It was only when Bumrah bowled a run of dots that the numbers changed markedly against England. So the variable would be run rate, bowlers, expectations etc.
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Poor umpiring cost England the game. But to be honest they shouldn't have let it get to that. In my opinion, Root doesn't fit in the T20 side. Once Hales is back, maybe Root should make way. Also Buttler should bat higher up the order (maybe at 3).
Shamshuddin and Anil Chaudhary both have been poor right throughout. Hopefully they don't get any other series for a long time to come.
India on the other hand should drop Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina and Nehra from the T20 side and go with youngsters. No idea why Jadhav isn't part of the team. Rishabh Pant should come in for the 3rd T20.
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I think Joe Root should be rested from T20I's and just concentrate on Test matches and ODI's. This would allow Butler to bat up the order and give Root a bit of a break. Joe Root doesn't have to play T20I's and isn't going to play BBL or IPL. He doesn't need T20I cricket and I think we have more powerful strikers of the ball such as Stokes, Roy, Butler, Morgan, Billings, Bairstow and others that could be given a go so that Root can have a break.
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Root has T20I SR of 131 (and averages 40) while ABD has SR of 132. Not sure if we can really say Root is unsuited for T20. He just had one off day in last game, but he should continue to play T20I..
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well, the "too many wickets left" argument suggests you think more risks earlier in the innings was the way to go. But actually, that wasn't really the case - Root and Stokes had the target well under control, it only ever went above nine in the 18th over. It was only when Bumrah bowled a run of dots that the numbers changed markedly against England. So the variable would be run rate, bowlers, expectations etc.
fair points. the rate only climbed in the last 2 overs.
just wonder if the old adage of plan your chase discounting the last over would have been sensible in this scenario!
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Joe played a poor shot to get out all he needed to do was push for 1 get butler on strike the the tesult could have been different.
Always felt England were a batsman light as with another batter Morgan and Root could have been less cautious and played more big shots in the middle overs.
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Joe played a poor shot to get out all he needed to do was push for 1 get butler on strike the the tesult could have been different.
Always felt England were a batsman light as with another batter Morgan and Root could have been less cautious and played more big shots in the middle overs.
On the flip side, Root smashed it into his pad and had he not been triggered by India's 12th man they would have scampered a single to get Butler on strike
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fair points. the rate only climbed in the last 2 overs.
just wonder if the old adage of plan your chase discounting the last over would have been sensible in this scenario!
possibly - but if they had done so, they would have needed to take more chances which might in turn have put them in a much worse position at the start of said final over. The fact is, there were only two points where England seemed to be struggling - the end of the 18th after Bumrah had forced the rate up, and during the 20th (after one of the all time great pieces of corruption!) That to me says they planned the chase pretty well.
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Root has T20I SR of 131 (and averages 40) while ABD has SR of 132. Not sure if we can really say Root is unsuited for T20. He just had one off day in last game, but he should continue to play T20I..
It isn't a case of whether Root isn't suited to T20 it's a case of does he really need to play it. There is nothing wrong with his average in T20 at all but lets keep him for ODI's and Test matches so he doesn't burn out. I would rather have ABD than Root in ODI's and T20's.
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It will take AB seven years to qualify....
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It will take AB seven years to qualify....
I'll happily wait :)
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possibly - but if they had done so, they would have needed to take more chances which might in turn have put them in a much worse position at the start of said final over. The fact is, there were only two points where England seemed to be struggling - the end of the 18th after Bumrah had forced the rate up, and during the 20th (after one of the all time great pieces of corruption!) That to me says they planned the chase pretty well.
8 off the last over v India's best bowler. On a wicket were scoring was difficult.
Don't think either of us is wrong, but I would have definitely personally taken a risk earlier against the "lesser" bowlers.. especially as they had plenty of wickets in hand and bat deep.
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On the flip side, Root smashed it into his pad and had he not been triggered by India's 12th man they would have scampered a single to get Butler on strike
Yes and thats the point there was no need to try and smash it.
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It isn't a case of whether Root isn't suited to T20 it's a case of does he really need to play it. There is nothing wrong with his average in T20 at all but lets keep him for ODI's and Test matches so he doesn't burn out. I would rather have ABD than Root in ODI's and T20's.
Root s natural batting style is more suited to tests he's the perfect test match player.
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8 off the last over v India's best bowler. On a wicket were scoring was difficult.
Don't think either of us is wrong, but I would have definitely personally taken a risk earlier against the "lesser" bowlers.. especially as they had plenty of wickets in hand and bat deep.
8 off the last over with a set batsman and a gun player known to be a quick starter? I think I would take that whoever the bowler was (and lets not pretend that Bumrah is Lasith Malinga or Mitchell Johnson sticking toe crushers in at 90mph plus).
But I also agree that we're expressing different equally plausible opinions!
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8 off the last over with a set batsman and a gun player known to be a quick starter? I think I would take that whoever the bowler was (and lets not pretend that Bumrah is Lasith Malinga or Mitchell Johnson sticking toe crushers in at 90mph plus).
But I also agree that we're expressing different equally plausible opinions!
:)
Yup, I agree with what u saying too
Great discussion ;)
quite often, there isn't a wrong answer I find.
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Johnson wasn't the greatest death bowler as far as I could recall. Often missed his yorkers
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Englands mistake was letting it get to the last over in my opinion.
But with a set batsman and Jos the other end it still shouldn't have been an issue.
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Englands mistake was letting it get to the last over in my opinion.
But with a set batsman and Jos the other end it still shouldn't have been an issue.
Yes your right but that's now the modern England way bat second know the score needed and pace your scoring accordingly.
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One more time...
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Umpire Shamshuddin says he's 'not feeling 100%' and will not stand today...
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Good to see Plukett in the side unlike some he rarely fails in an England shirt
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Excellent first over from Mills
Ho Virat what were you thinking of.
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Bosh Chris Jordan! Love Kohli trying to blame the non-striker, never one there in a million years.
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Chris Jordan is a legend.
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and that should be the game right there! unless root mucks this one up ;)
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Umpire Shamshuddin says he's 'not feeling 100%' and will not stand today...
yes heavy rumours Plunkett 'had a word' before play.
honestly, you would not mess with that dude.
anyone old enough(yes you senior) to remember Peter Willey....Plunks is the modern day equivalent. :)
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Ah, and the poor fielding is on show
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England need to bowl straighter it's a batsman pitch
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Funny how Yuvraj Singh gets endless pay days whilst living off that 150 on the flattest pitch around. Yet younger players get axed so quickly e.g. pandey.
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yes heavy rumours Plunkett 'had a word' before play.
honestly, you would not mess with that dude.
anyone old enough(yes you senior) to remember Peter Willey....Plunks is the modern day equivalent. :)
Your right apologies for digressing but heard a story from an England tour the England guys were around the hotel pool on there rest day and a certain player was going around the pool throwing there bags into the water all the bags went in except for one players bag Peter Willeys
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Oh dear, that no ball not called! Stokes must have paid the umpire.
India's got an excuse now if they lose
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That's what happens when you stop Basman from getting under the ball Good bowling from plukett to get Rana s wicket
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Funny how Yuvraj Singh gets endless pay days whilst living off that 150 on the flattest pitch around. Yet younger players get axed so quickly e.g. pandey.
Same feelings here..
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Jordan's bowling like a mug this over, putting exactly where Yuvraj wants it every ball.
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Yuvraj did okay that over. 6646
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Jordan serving up some juicy half volleys here...anything less than 200 england still have a chance.
Some nice hitting from yuvraj though!
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I jinxed the old southpaw slogger...in the wrong way. Jordan is a mug though
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Worlds tamest dismissal right there!
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Scariest thing (for IND) is with those 4 balls of 6,6,4,6, Yuvraj will now be in team for another 3 years ....
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Dhoni averaging nearly 40 in T20i with just 1 fifty...red ink lover
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Mills has probably secured himself a big IPL contract...Good on him!
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Poor bowling by Jordan when everyone knows most of indian players and Dhoni are front foot bullies, still kept bowling full ball after ball.. the one short ball just now to dhoni, and you see the result..
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Jordan's bowled 1 good delivery of his last 2 overs. Really poor bowling.
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Is Jos wearing a shrey grille and masuri lid?!
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WE ARE GOING TO GET THESE RUNS :)
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England 203 to win time to get Jos in early certainly in front of Root.
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Bloody hell Jase, what a shot
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Love how Roy smashed that reverse hit then did a shadow shot forward defensive as it was sailing over the boundary haha
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So we do have reviews in t20's! Bizarre
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Brainfade all round.
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Brainfade all round.
Yeah. I often forget to run the batsman out too :D
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Fair to say Roy has a massive weakness against spin - Pace bowling slogger
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England 203 to win time to get Jos in early certainly in front of Root.
I was thinking the same. Give jos more time in the middle.
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#restroot #not20
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Root is a fantastic player, but his lack of power is being exposed.
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Root is a fantastic player, but his lack of power is being exposed.
Yes joes not finding the boundary puts Morgan under pressure to play the big shot.
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Butler should have came instead of Root. T20 is not for everyone. Root should stick to Test and ODI.
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Root is a fantastic player, but his lack of power is being exposed.
It baffles me why he tries to.
His first half off the innings he played proper cricket and proper shots and ticked along at a decent strike rate.
Second half he looked like he was told to smash everything and, it's not his game and his strike rate dropped considerably and he look awful.
Maybe all the talk in the press got to him.
Still top runs corer this series.
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#GetButlerInAheadOfRoot
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Buttler has score 67 runs in six game during this limited overs section off the Indian tour.
Majority of forum. "Send Buttler in before everyone. Buttttlllleeeeerrrrr"
Anyway as @csnew predicted, root cost us this game, while top scoring for the second game in succession.
Cricket is Wierd.
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Root cost us this game, while top scoring for the second game in succession.
Cricket is Wierd.
I blame Chris Woakes for Trump's election, Brexit and this defeat...
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Anyway, see you in the West Indies.
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We lost because we put the opposition in on a flat pitch and they clicked and smashed 200. Then we wilted under pressure. It's not all winning the toss...
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Thanks Joe Root again :D
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We lost because we put the opposition in on a flat pitch and they clicked and smashed 200. Then we wilted under pressure. It's not all winning the toss...
Bit of a stupid thing to say given this is one of the best chasing grounds around and most captains bowl first
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I blame Chris Woakes for Trump's election, Brexit and this defeat...
David Cameron is to blame for Brexit
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How can you say root has cost us the game? He's top scored I'd be looking more at guys who haven't scored runs?
We all know how root plays he did his job it's those who are supposed to bat around him that have failed here...
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119/2 to 127/9 => Major collapse !!!
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This is like watching a highlight package!
Simply idiotic batting from England! 7 wickets for 8 runs!
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Bit of a stupid thing to say given this is one of the best chasing grounds around and most captains bowl first
It's deemed the best chasing ground due to the dew factor. They installed a new drainage system and as indicated in this match no dew.
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David Cameron is to blame for Brexit
I don't think walking wicket was being serious, but you never know with him, he's a traffic warden in his day job which he tries to keep quiet on the forum
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How can you say root has cost us the game? He's top scored I'd be looking more at guys who haven't scored runs?
We all know how root plays he did his job it's those who are supposed to bat around him that have failed here...
Root is pretty much the anchor of England's innings. Once Morgan got out, i guess all focus was on Root to pivot the chase. It ended up as back to back dismissals for Morgan & Root.
80 needed from 30 balls .. can't really blame the batsman for trying to hit. How else are they going to reach the target ?
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127 all out !! Game over ... first time a T20 series will have three MOM's awarded to bowlers ...
8 wickets for 8 runs in 19 balls !
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13 overs ENG 117/2 16.3 overs ENG 127/10
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8 wickets for 8 runs :(
That's a bit more like the England I know and love!
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David Cameron is to blame for Brexit
All use a quote from yourself recently to reply to that.
Someone needs to grt a sense of humour.
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Buttler has score 67 runs in six game during this limited overs section off the Indian tour.
Majority of forum. "Send Buttler in before everyone. Buttttlllleeeeerrrrr"
Anyway as @csnew predicted, root cost us this game, while top scoring for the second game in succession.
Cricket is Wierd.
Because of Roots reluctance to go aerial
rather than coming in under pressure being behind the run chase
The thinking is get Buttler in early give him an opportunity to go over the top with the fielders in
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I don't think walking wicket was being serious, but you never know with him, he's a traffic warden in his day job which he tries to keep quiet on the forum
Well I wasn't.
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what an embarrassing farce.
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6-25 in a t20 game! Amazing figures, top leg spin bowling on a postage stamp of a ground
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Long tour finally over. phew!! 4-0, 2-1, 2-1. Well done India.
5-0 in test would have been ideal but winning twice by an innings is equally satisfying.
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Roll on March the 3rd.
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Out classed in tests as expected, but anyone sensible knows this group of players aren't really suited to test cricket. Closer white ball series as expected where almost all the games could have gone either way. No point worrying about 2020 as the last game could have been a win if The umpire.. well..
Anyway, well done India. As for root, he's never been suited to 2020 as he isn't a hitter. Buttler, why are people moaning about him.. he's in the white ball formats he's suited to and justnhapoens to have had a bad series.. meh, it happens
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yes well done India deserved winners test and one day stuff. probably the hardest tour of all now even going back to the mighty aussie sides of the past and windies.It's arguably now harder, or just as hard to win series in India
we competed but not quite good enough. We are however a good side and decent teams are judged on away form these days.
just as India should be judged away from home. That's the level the bar is at now in world cricket.
the Australians are next for India personally I will be very interested in the matches to see how they do in Indian conditions.
but for this tour, India deserved winners.
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We loved Root in India anyway as he has shown heart, a good player. His shots will go aerial in future I hope. He seems to me like Dravid in his early years who was very slow and tiring and rarely hit sixes. Wasn't considered fit for one-dayers. But came back strongly. Root will do same
Kohli isn't a big hitter either but has heart to go aerial and bowlers who allows him
Can't say I enjoyed series much. There was lack of strong fight. But hopefully Aussies will whip our asses in coming series and bring the mind of Indian team down a little. Warner surely will
Root's Press Interview post 2nd match. Pretty thoughtful. and loves to see him play
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1080423.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1080423.html)
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Root is class...England shouldn't criticise him too much. England just can't seem to bat on sticky wickets. Too one dimensional. This was the perfect wicket for England to go and chase down those runs, but for good bowling from the spinners and bhumra. England can't bat against swing, India against swing/seam. The English players may get practice in the ipl, but I don't see many indian players coming into county cricket...
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I think there's nothing wrong with Root other than he just looses his head too soon. The single just doesn't seem and option for him when the run rates high it's either 6 or nothing.
Next up the Aussies, they have quiet an inexperienced side so might have a tougher time in India actually Punter gave them no chance.
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Root is a great player across formats. Not sure why anyone would say he is not a T20 player when his T20 Strike Rate is same as that of ABD. Just because he couldn't finish a few games on a difficult pitch (rather on a slow pitch that the english are not much used to) doesnt mean he is not fit for T20.
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Root is a great player across formats. Not sure why anyone would say he is not a T20 player when his T20 Strike Rate is same as that of ABD. Just because he couldn't finish a few games on a difficult pitch (rather on a slow pitch that the english are not much used to) doesnt mean he is not fit for T20.
I think it's because he's not an over the top range hitter
Roots a great player he's an along the ground stroke maker in the t20s he showed that if he doesn't score from 3 successive deliveries he can Become intense At the crease.
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Many on here believe stats lie or can be manipulated but.
Englands overall batting in t20 internationals
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Notice Root has a more superior average than anyone else. Only KP getting remotely close.
Also notice his strike rate of 130. Yes a few current players have a SR a few runs higher than him. But there's an anomaly.
Jason roys strike rate is actually lower(albeit 1 run) Roots! Similar amount of innings to(22 to 19). Wasn't expecting that.
He is the messiah!! .
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You're missing the standout performer there @smilley792 - Chris(t Almighty) Woakes. Average of 30.33, SR of 144.44! Of the current players, he's behind only Root and Hales in the averages and only Billings on SR. Get him up the order!
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@smilley792 - Exactly what I was saying, I think the arguments against Root are more anecdotal...Stats don't suggest the same...Also, why does it matter whether he goes along the ground or airborne, at end of day, the SR matters. Also Root doesnt bat in 5/6 where being able to clear the fence matters more. He builds the innings at a healthy SR so the others around him can explode...the odd game, he has shown he can clear at will as well..The high average and 130 SR means he is invaluable!
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How did Cook get picked for 4 T20's?
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How did Cook get picked for 4 T20's?
Toss of a coin with AJ Strauss the most unlikely pick in recent years!
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Cook in T20....lol Same as when VVS Laxman was captain of IPL team/ Adam Voges captain of BBL team
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Root is great talent no doubt about it but i doubt his temperament. At least he did not demonstrate that in the India series.
I was expecting much more match winning contributions during the entire series including test and odi.
He would get 50 and lose patience/focus and get out, clearly a weakness.
He got only 1 hundred in the entire tour. Not what you expect from the best batter in the team. Was hoping to see more, hopefully in future tours...
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People criticising Root's place in the T20 side forget to point out thathe has played two of the best innings ever for England in the format - against Australia in 2013 and that amazing knock vs SA in the last T20 world cup. He will never out hit Roy or Buttler, but his sheer class is astounding. He'd make a functional sixth bowler too.
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Root averages 40 in t20 cricket. At a strike rate of 130.
Pick on someone else.
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Root averages 40 in t20 cricket. At a strike rate of 130.
Pick on someone else.
#DropWoakes!
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How did Cook get picked for 4 T20's?
Cook has a domestic T20 century, unlike Buttler, Root, Billings, Stokes, Morgan, Moeen etc. ;)
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Cook has a domestic T20 century, unlike Buttler, Root, Billings, Stokes, Morgan, Moeen etc. ;)
Safe to say I thought this was rubbish so I looked it up, and was proven wrong hit hit 100 off 57 balls strike rate of 175
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Whats with all the negativity about root:
1. He should have been allowed to skip the limited over phase of this tour given he's just had a kid. Clearly his mind was not on it.
2. Pressure of being compared to kohli maybe another factor
3. Pressure of being future test captain.
Yep he may have cost his side a game or 2 this tour but I'm sure he's won more then he's cost his side
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Root averages 40 in t20 cricket. At a strike rate of 130.
Pick on someone else.
He we go again the magic of averages what they don't tell you is England lost the last T 20 because they fell further behind the required run rate when Root was batting Joes the dream test match player but after watching how franectic he became in the last two T20s against India when he wasn't scoring Hmmm and the averages don't tell you that either,
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He we go again the magic of averages what they don't tell you is England lost the last T 20 because they fell further behind the required run rate when Root was batting
Yes, it was all Root's fault. The scoreboard pressure, the unique atmosphere you get when playing against India in India and the fact we lost 8 wickets for 8 runs was nothing to do with it... ???
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Guys,
We don't have to go back to the subcontinent for centuries now. We can close this and forget it all ever happened now...
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Can't actually believe I'm actually reading the negativity around Joe Root, because he tried to rescue 1 innings at a run a ball and then got triggered.
Did he also start whistling on the boundary at all? Lets get rid of him completely...
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Safe to say I thought this was rubbish so I looked it up, and was proven wrong hit hit 100 off 57 balls strike rate of 175
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Wish I'd have seen this. Would have been like watching Bruce Forsyth run a 10 second 100M...
Much respect. Drop Root the plodder and get Chef in!
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next up old @Manormanic will be on with some old story of Sir Geoff 'better in my day used to bat in a flat cap against Holding' hitting some run a ball hundred in a John Player League game in the 60's or 70's
couldn't possibly be true that. :)
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edit. the john player league was a one day tournament(60 overs I think) way way back even I can't really remember it properly.
Buzz and senior player might do
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edit. the john player league was a one day tournament(60 overs I think) way way back even I can't really remember it properly.
Buzz and senior player might do
Yes I used to go and watch 40 overs per side on a Sunday afternoon
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next up old @Manormanic will be on with some old story of Sir Geoff 'better in my day used to bat in a flat cap against Holding' hitting some run a ball hundred in a John Player League game in the 60's or 70's
couldn't possibly be true that. :)
Reminds me of the first over I saw in a test match when Holding nearly took Sir Geoffs head off
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Reminds me of the first over I saw in a test match when Holding nearly took Sir Geoffs head off
ah...maybe Oval '76 ? played and missed at 5 and the 6th took the stumps out? that one?
some over that was !
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Yes That's the one Geoffery said after he never saw any of the 6 balls
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Yes That's the one Geoffery said after he never saw any of the 6 balls
Boycott on what it's like to face the West Indies is great - something to the effect of "well anyone can find out how it feels; just go stand in the outside lane of a motorway, get a mate to drive at you at 95mph and you can only decide which way you're going to jump clear when he gets to 22 yards away"
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Joe Root has moved upto fifth in the ICC t20 international rankings..............
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Joe Root has moved upto fifth in the ICC t20 international rankings..............
Well in that case....altogether now forum
roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot !!
Seriously...the guy could potentially be one of our best ever bats,and hes just a kid.
If he does'nt play all T20 in the future it could only be to manage his workload.
Few ppl on here forgetting you need brains as well as brawn to bat well-20 over 50 over whatever format
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you have to have a cricket brain but if you have the brawn in T20 it helps its Joes batting style when you see guys like Roy Billings and Hales power hitting the ball into the stands is it suited to T20 in a run chase.
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Good news, stats fans.
According to Espncricinfo when it comes to T20i's boundaries:
Kohli: 4's/6's - 182/33
Root: 4's/6's - 74/16
So. Joe hits a bigger percentage of 6's than King Kohli.
Yet King Kohli is a run machine and Joe can't hit it off the square?
Go figure.
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Did someone just say Moeen Ali is an outstanding all-rounder? Crikey!
Still not convinced?