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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: wasted_talent on December 28, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
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So India travel to SA next month, with a lot of Indian fans genuinely believing they have a good chance to perform well and come away with a draw at least in the Series.
I am not so sure, as they are playing no warm up games prior to the test series. And I think this makes it very difficult for them.
Whats the view here in the forum?
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I think this is the best chance they have had in a long time.
They are taking over a squad with a couple of genuine quicks in Yadav and Shami.
We know what Kohli is capable of, so if Pujara etc.. chip in you never know.
Ultimately I think it will depend on what pitches get served up
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Hold on...India are playing an AWAY game? :)
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any d/n games in this series? if so, B. Kumar vs philander will be a good watch
Be interesting to see if AB gets dumped with the keeping if dekock is injured
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defo their best chance in a long time but its unreal they are not playing even one warm up game prior to the test series.
cant see how they will adjust enough to win the first test. and if they lose that, they'll be on the back foot
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Is playing no warm up any worse than playing the dross that is normally cobbled together?
I’m sure India will have a couple of middle session allowing They’re bowlers to bowl at heyre batters on a wicket should be much more use than a poor csa xi
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Not sure why they didn't schedule the tour the other way round. Then can use the ODI series as warm ups
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Let's not hope for a miracle. Problem is getting used to the conditions by going early and playing few tour matches which is impossible in today's times.
Almost all teams win at home and do not do that good overseas. A draw would be a win for sure.
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Sorry to break it to you Indian fans, but your boys are gonna get slaughtered. South Africa will serve up green seamers, now that Steyn, Philander and Morkel are fully fit - throw in KG Rabada, and India's suspect batting line will get shredded.
During the recent India-SL series, Australian legend Matty Hayden suggested that KL Rahul and Murali Vijay opening would be India's only real hope to blunt South Africa. But India have already confirmed that Dhawan will open. His record away from Asia is poor. The likes of Pujara, Kohli and Rohit have poor records against the moving ball. Only Rahane has ability to deal with the moving ball but his form is terrible at the present.
South Africa have questions as well, the quotas some what handicap them, but aside from the seamers, their spinner looks really top class.
3-0 South Africa all day long.
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This mention of warm up games I think is a good point, a few years ago no side would consider a major tour without warm up
Games or to get used to conditions etc but a mix of so much cricket and woefully poor “presidents teams etc makes them almost pointless.
I honestly think England would have got better prep in just having squad games in Aussie conditions or playing a ECB team of county players or vs the Lions.
Personally I think SA will walk the series as most Home sides do these days
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India’s own fault re: warm up games. They decided to go with a pointless Odi and t20 series to generate revenue.
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1st press conference Kohli says they didn't want warm up games because they would be useless because of the side and pitch CSA would put out etc... I wonder whether this will be the way more teams will go now that Kohli has actually come out and said it.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21916681/rather-training-sessions-our-control-warm-ups-virat-kohli (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21916681/rather-training-sessions-our-control-warm-ups-virat-kohli)
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He does have a point, look at the side and tracks England had to play in Oz for their warm up games. Would have been better off playing the lions a couple of times who would have had a point to prove to stake a claim for the test side.
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Kholi def does have a point and well doneforsayingit because this has gone on for years....yes England guilty of it as much as any other country.
Warm up matches extend the tour and should be scrapped therefore depriving whoever is holding the match of revenue.
Only then might the host board start taking notice.im not sure myself if the Lions are always in the same touring area but when they are def should play each other
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Would a poor England side benefit playing a poor Lions side though? England only won 1 warm up game against CA X1 and had a draw with Western Australia X1 in most part they struggled and Lions got beat by Queensland X1. And after the Duckett episode I’d say there would have been a bit of tension between the sides.
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It's interesting how times have changed when you hear Tuffers etc... talk about their warm up games being against the full state sides with players like Martin Love playing and scoring 200 against them in a warm up to try and get in the test team.
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It's interesting how times have changed when you hear Tuffers etc... talk about their warm up games being against the full state sides with players like Martin Love playing and scoring 200 against them in a warm up to try and get in the test team.
Yes exactly. Standard of opposition and pitches are the two things hampering away teams. Test cricket now we know if you going to win away from home odds are stacked against - and it seems to be getting even further towards the home team.
If you take England for example could they have two 'tests' in the UAE against the lions before a 4 or 5 match series in the sub continent? And warm up matches actually in the touring Country as zero?
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Interesting that Morkel is going to be dropped to make way for Steyn. Would’ve thought rabada would get dropped but could be the quota thing. Surely they’d want a tall hit the deck bowler like Morkel instead of Steyn or rabada
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All depends on the pitches. If they provide flat batting tracks to make sure game goes on for 5 days guaranteed as Aus did when Ind toured them last, then draw is possible. If they provide seaming/pacy decks, Ind will lose 3-0.
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Sorry to break it to you Indian fans, but your boys are gonna get slaughtered. South Africa will serve up green seamers, now that Steyn, Philander and Morkel are fully fit - throw in KG Rabada, and India's suspect batting line will get shredded.
During the recent India-SL series, Australian legend Matty Hayden suggested that KL Rahul and Murali Vijay opening would be India's only real hope to blunt South Africa. But India have already confirmed that Dhawan will open. His record away from Asia is poor. The likes of Pujara, Kohli and Rohit have poor records against the moving ball. Only Rahane has ability to deal with the moving ball but his form is terrible at the present.
South Africa have questions as well, the quotas some what handicap them, but aside from the seamers, their spinner looks really top class.
3-0 South Africa all day long.
Classic Ger
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Classic Ger
So he was south African, then Australia, Now French?
I reckon it'll be an Eastern European country next........ Seep stake!
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So he was south African, then Australia, Now French?
I reckon it'll be an Eastern European country next........ Seep stake!
I think that now we're onto him he'll go left field and be from South America
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Pretty interesting start, 3 quick wickets for Kumar then a flurry of shots form ABD.
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Good old Virat dropping his v/c Rahane and most consistent opener Rahul, so his buddies Dhawan and Rohit can get a game...Ridiculous read somewhere that Rohit averages mid 20s away from India...
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Bumrah wasting all the hard work done by Kumar. On a green seamer Bumrah is going at 5 per over. Why pick an ODI/T20 specialist in the longer format?
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He has also troubled the batsmen...both these guys are counter attacking, hence the runs..
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de Villiers has intimated the Indian seamers into pulling back their lengths. Pandya bowled an over and it's still swinging around. Get the South Africans on the front foot otherwise someone like de Villiers will carve it everywhere
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Great counterattack by SA - glad to see AB. Got to feel sorry for Bavuma
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Any stream links?
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Any stream links?
If you're in India you can stream it on Cricinfo I think.
Otherwise it's Sky Sports in the UK.
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Dhawan and Rohit in, wonder how long till Raina suddenly reappears too to join his buddy Kohli
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Great counterattack by SA - glad to see AB. Got to feel sorry for Bavuma
Bavuma has played 27 Tests with just one hundred and averaging 33. Put into perspective Ashwin, a bowler, has a comparable average and more hundreds.
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Dhawan and Rohit in, wonder how long till Raina suddenly reappears too to join his buddy Kohli
Raina is Dhoni's buddy...dont think he will make a comeback ever. Will happily enjoy life playing for CSK in IPL.
Not sure why people have issues with Dhawan in the squad. Rohit, I can understand as it has some at the cost of Rahane.
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For all those wanting to watch in the UK without sky... You will need to click the tiny X's on the screen before it displays properly
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/south-africa-vs-india-live-streaming (http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/south-africa-vs-india-live-streaming)
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How was that umpires call? About 3/4 of the ball was cannoning into the stumps....
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Pandya!!!! He deserved that wicket! That was a poor call from the umpire though. Looked plumb on first sight.
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Another over the top celebration from Kohli #bellend
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I just cant get over Ashwin's action, it looks so, so ugly!
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Philander using SS now??
Last I saw he was using GM stuff and before that PR if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if he was only on a short term contract and SS have snapped him up to get more screen time.
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Philander using SS now??
Last I saw he was using GM stuff and before that PR if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if he was only on a short term contract and SS have snapped him up to get more screen time.
He was gm for years after d&p (again I think) and I think used a blank bat vs England
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The Maharaj miss cost India the advantage....SA closing in on 300
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India struggling to avoid defeat in Cape Town. On this pitch 250 was a good score. South Africa approaching 300 and India struggling to remove the elongated tail. As I speak R Ashwin gets his first wicket in South Africa
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India's much lauded top order not showing much thus far. 18-2. Dhawan with a pathetic dismissal
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Hopefully Rohit Sharma's wife will save India.
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This game might last less time than the SA vs Zim games!
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South Africa vs Australia will be a pace bowling shootout. India's flat track bullies getting out classes
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Rabada not even started spell and Ind 3 down. Ind looking set for for under 100 here..
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India have got their tactics all wrong. They needed to show some intent in the first session. They got stuck unable to rotate the strike or keep the scoreboard ticking. And ended up being sitting ducks.
SA have been relentless with their 4 quicks
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Hardik Pandya might end up the most important Indian cricketer of his generation. He's the all rounder India have been searching for since Kapil Dev left the scene
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de Kock fluffs an easy stumping offered up Hardik. Pandya looks rampant
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Pandya getting India back in the game, what India should’ve done earlier. And de kock has just missed his stumping.
How costly is that going to be
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Hardik keeping India just about in the contest. 93 runs now a couple of wickets in the second innings. The boy has the X factor, just makes things happen.
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Steyn is injured again, out for the series with a brused heel
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Steyn is injured again, out for the series with a brused heel
Lucky for them they still have Philander, Morkel and Rabada otherwise they'd have been screwed
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Steyn is injured again, out for the series with a brused heel
Shame, it was great seeing him steam in again!
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Reckon Steyn was rushed back. Did think faf was over bowling him at times given rabada was only bowling short spells. A better captain would’ve eased him back into it
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Reckon Steyn was rushed back. Did think faf was over bowling him at times given rabada was only bowling short spells. A better captain would’ve eased him back into it
Steyn landed awkwardly in the foot holes, nothing du Plessis could do about it. Steyn looked pretty fit bowled quickly
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Kohli's captaincy is poor. Maharaj found turn, and South Africa have a mental block against Ashwin - yet the man with 300+ Test wickets is nowhere to be seen.
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Well who would've picked this - SA rolled over for 130 and india only needing 208 to win.
The rain yesterday probably meant perfect bowling conditions this morning. Still doing a bit, so could be a close one
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Finally a proper thrilling days test cricket.
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2 down game on
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6-42 for Philander in the second innings, 75 run win for SA. How many games is this series?
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Who needs 4 day tests when this one technically only lasted 3 days? 18 wickets in one day.
Entertaining test match though.
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6-42 for Philander in the second innings, 75 run win for SA. How many games is this series?
After all the talk of England's bowling attack lacking pace,would be interesting to see how Philander would get on in Aussie conditions.
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Who needs 4 day tests when this one technically only lasted 3 days? 18 wickets in one day.
Entertaining test match though.
I'd say the pitch is solely responsible for this, yeh the seam attacks are rather handy too but on that wicket they were a real handful. Carry on producing decks like that around the world where possible and no test will go 5 days, unless the weather intervenes
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After all the talk of England's bowling attack lacking pace,would be interesting to see how Philander would get on in Aussie conditions.
He took loads of wickets last time they toured there.
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South Africa have prepared the perfect pitch for India, dry and a bit of turn. Their struggles against spin continue and 2 run outs won’t help. Still expect SA to win this given India will be batting last on a dry wicket
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South Africa have prepared the perfect pitch for India, dry and a bit of turn. Their struggles against spin continue and 2 run outs won’t help. Still expect SA to win this given India will be batting last on a dry wicket
Just watched the highlights.
Looks like India have done very well to be where they are because they bowled awfully. AB chopped on a wide long hop. Pandya with a great bit of work to run out Amla and they got lucky with Philanders ridiculous run out! Could have been a very different day.
On another note a have to add I wonder how Kohli can be such an amazing cricketer and then act like such a knob on the pitch when he is captain.
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Thoughts on Markram?
I really like the look of him, looks organised and hits it very hard. Disappointed for him to miss out again in the 90s, I was a bit surprised by the review system for his wicket. To me it looked like he hit his pad too, and probably what convinced him to review because it looked as if he hit it too, but they never checked for hot spot to confirm, just went off the mark on snicko. Now to me it looks as though he may have hit his pad at the same time as the spike appeared and ball passed the bat, so surely they needed to check for a mark on hot-spot to confirm the spike was from ball on bat. Anyway rant over
I'd say even Stevens after day 1 and agree India a tad lucky to be in the position, bowled poorly when I was watching and some strange fielding positions
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Don’t think the host broadcaster has hot spot - it was given out on the field and there was no conclusive evidence to over turn it, so right decision was made
SA will probably hope to get to 380.
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Just watched the highlights.
Looks like India have done very well to be where they are because they bowled awfully. AB chopped on a wide long hop. Pandya with a great bit of work to run out Amla and they got lucky with Philanders ridiculous run out! Could have been a very different day.
On another note a have to add I wonder how Kohli can be such an amazing cricketer and then act like such a knob on the pitch when he is captain.
Disagree, personally. I watched the entire day's play and I thought India bowled well other than Shami and Bumrah. Shami wasn't at the races at all. Bumrah's first spell was 5-x-7-0, but then released a lot of pressure before lunch with 5-0-35-0 with his next 5. Ishant and Pandya did what you have to do on that pitch, stayed patient, bowled cutters and bowled one side of the wicket.
Ashwin offered a LOT more control than I thought he would, even on a pitch that offered him purchase. He went around the wicket too much for my liking though and didn't bowl enough at Faf by giving Amla a too many 4 balls instead of singles.
Don't get me wrong, South Africa threw away wickets at the end with those 2 run outs, but India didn't let them get away even with Shami and Bumrah having poor days. I'm the first to criticise Kohli's captaincy (don't get me started on the wasted review in the first session), but he made a bold move delaying the new ball and then delaying it further even after he got the big breakthrough. Kept Ashwin to bowl at QdK with an 84 over ball and he got him first ball.
As 'csnew' said, gotta still back SA to win this but if India bowl them out for <350 and still have 5+ wickets in hand by the end of the day, this could be another fantastic test on a not-so-fantastic pitch. Will be interesting to see how they play Maharaj on this pitch. Looking forward to tomorrow.
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Thoughts on Markram?
I really like the look of him, looks organised and hits it very hard. Disappointed for him to miss out again in the 90s, I was a bit surprised by the review system for his wicket. To me it looked like he hit his pad too, and probably what convinced him to review because it looked as if he hit it too, but they never checked for hot spot to confirm, just went off the mark on snicko. Now to me it looks as though he may have hit his pad at the same time as the spike appeared and ball passed the bat, so surely they needed to check for a mark on hot-spot to confirm the spike was from ball on bat. Anyway rant over
I'd say even Stevens after day 1 and agree India a tad lucky to be in the position, bowled poorly when I was watching and some strange fielding positions
Maybe I am being slightly biased as an Indian, but I thought we did bowl well. But then again my expectation bar is very, very low following previous tours, so there's that! :D You're spot on about the field placements - far too reactionary at times and don't think he and Ashwin have quite worked out what each other wants yet. It's been a while, albeit not much away from home, but 34 tests in I expect more.
Agree on Markram - little / no trigger, very still at the crease, something I need to learn myself. ICC needs to sort themselves out and make DRS uniform everywhere but let's be honest that's not gonna happen when SL go to Zim etc.
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I did wonder if it was because hot spot wasn't available or in use, but I just presumed if the DRS is being used then it has the whole package, always
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India have dropped 3 catches this morning. Will probably end up costing them this match and give SA 400
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Pujara running himself out for a golden duck was just beyond belief. this is the day India need to show how good their batsman are.
It was.....unexplainable.there was never a single there :o
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Good to see South Africa selecting players on merit rather than on skin colour. This boy Ngidi looks a real prospect. Whereas players like Bavuma and Phelukwayo are beyond mediocre
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Rabada getting dropped twice off consecutive deliveries was hilarious. Kohli looked like he was about to go into full on rage mode. The Pandya-Shami drop was ridiculous
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My favourite bit about the coverage is that the stump mic's are turned up VERY loud! You can hear every single word that is being said!
Am I correct in assuming it's controlled by the host broadcaster (SuperSport?) and not by Sky who are providing it in the UK? Just wondering since they obviously don't want to get any bad language on mic but it's almost entirely in Hindi and Afrikaans and there's quite a few things being said that Sky wouldn't allow on air in the UK, haha!
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Bavuma is rather better than mediocre. He may not get in ahead of any of the five batsmen in the current side, but he is surely next in line, and has done pretty well in Test cricket, eve if he was perhaps blooded just a little early.
Biggest thing for me today was just how good Kohli looked.
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Really interesting this...
http://m.cricbuzz.com/amp/cricket-news/99655/virat-kohli-plays-spotter-for-hardik-pandya-bat-left-hand-right-hand-reverse-swing-india-south-africa-centurion-test-2018-day-2?__twitter_impression=true (http://m.cricbuzz.com/amp/cricket-news/99655/virat-kohli-plays-spotter-for-hardik-pandya-bat-left-hand-right-hand-reverse-swing-india-south-africa-centurion-test-2018-day-2?__twitter_impression=true)
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My favourite bit about the coverage is that the stump mic's are turned up VERY loud! You can hear every single word that is being said!
Am I correct in assuming it's controlled by the host broadcaster (SuperSport?) and not by Sky who are providing it in the UK? Just wondering since they obviously don't want to get any bad language on mic but it's almost entirely in Hindi and Afrikaans and there's quite a few things being said that Sky wouldn't allow on air in the UK, haha!
Yes the host broadcaster controls the audio levels and the sound technician obviously is not aware of what's being said.
And the reason for no hotspot is a different DRS provider is being used to the one in Aus/ NZ that use.
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Really surprised at the pitch SA prepared for Ind. Could there be a hidden attempt to maximize revenue by giving Ind a chance here so the third becomes the decider?
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Really interesting this...
[url]http://m.cricbuzz.com/amp/cricket-news/99655/virat-kohli-plays-spotter-for-hardik-pandya-bat-left-hand-right-hand-reverse-swing-india-south-africa-centurion-test-2018-day-2?__twitter_impression=true[/url] ([url]http://m.cricbuzz.com/amp/cricket-news/99655/virat-kohli-plays-spotter-for-hardik-pandya-bat-left-hand-right-hand-reverse-swing-india-south-africa-centurion-test-2018-day-2?__twitter_impression=true[/url])
Good read - cheers! I enjoyed hearing these conversations on the stump mic. Kohli and Vijay were chatting between every ball of Ngidi's first spell trying to work out what he was doing with the ball. I'm sure they had plenty of footage but it's nice to hear that even at that level they're constantly making mental notes ball by ball.
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Kohli with another masterclass registered his 21st hundred. Class of part thus far on this surface.
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Kohli is an excellent batsman, he really is. I just wish he wasn't such a cock.
All this screaming and running off when there's a wicket (even if he was in no way involved) people will say 'oh, he's just passionate' but it just smacks of being a bit of an ego trip. 'Look at me, I'm passionate, hey everyone, look at me!'
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How on earth has Ishant played 80 Test matches? He's only got 229 wickets in those 80 matches. So basically 2.86 wickets per match. He doesn't bat and isn't particularly flash in the field.
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Kohli is an excellent batsman, he really is. I just wish he wasn't such a cock.
All this screaming and running off when there's a wicket (even if he was in no way involved) people will say 'oh, he's just passionate' but it just smacks of being a bit of an ego trip. 'Look at me, I'm passionate, hey everyone, look at me!'
I'd agree, never been able to put my finger on it but he's very hard to like.
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I'd agree, never been able to put my finger on it but he's very hard to like.
Thats kinda the character of Indian cricket at the moment - they're good...but there is something about the insistence on weighting their fixtures toward tailored home pitches and sulking when they can't have things their own way that makes them very hard to like.
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How on earth has Ishant played 80 Test matches? He's only got 229 wickets in those 80 matches. So basically 2.86 wickets per match. He doesn't bat and isn't particularly flash in the field.
Hahaha, myself and the 1.3 billion in India have been moaning about this for years and years. Think he has the highest average out of anyone with >200 wickets (around 36?). He bowls a good spell every couple of years which keeps him going - v Aus 07/08, v WI 2011, v NZ 13/14, Lords 2014, v SL 2015. All I can say is he's due.:D Shows what our pace bowling stocks have been in the last 10-12 years and how good Zaheer really was for us.
I was lucky enough to witness first hand his 7-74 at Lord's in 2014 to win us that match. Never seen anything like it and probably never will. Having been on the Lord's tour, all I'll say is that his name really sticks out on the Honour's board. In short, good guy, decent bowler, but wouldn't have had that career with any other country.
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Thats kinda the character of Indian cricket at the moment - they're good...but there is something about the insistence on weighting their fixtures toward tailored home pitches and sulking when they can't have things their own way that makes them very hard to like.
Totally agree that many of them are not likeable, especially when you look back 10-15 years ago to see proper cricketers like Sachin, Rahul, Kumble etc.
India do play a lot of home cricket, but you have to factor in that they have the longest home cricket season out of all countries. They can play for 9 months of the year from the end of monsoons in Aug/Sept to the end of short-summer in May. Unless they are engaged with Aus / NZ / SA away (every 4 years on average) they will just get someone over to play them at home, especially with the financial pull, hence the long home seasons.
I have no issue with that, what really annoys me (aside from not being able to play v Pak) is that every time there is a gap we constantly invite SL and WI over for mind-numbingly, insert-appropriate-word-here cricket. I'm convinced the BCCI had that hastily organised SL series a few months back just so we could get the record for most series wins in a row (all at home/ vs SL / WI unsurprisingly). This needs to change.
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I have no issue with that, what really annoys me (aside from not being able to play v Pak) is that every time there is a gap we constantly invite SL and WI over for mind-numbingly, insert-appropriate-word-here cricket. I'm convinced the BCCI had that hastily organised SL series a few months back just so we could get the record for most series wins in a row (all at home/ vs SL / WI unsurprisingly). This needs to change.
Quite; the preponderance is in danger of utterly devaluing the Test #1 status.
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With respect to pitches, the only thing I don't like about the tailored home pitches is that it doesn't prepare our players for away series. And because of the aforementioned scheduling, we go 2-3 years without seeing a pitch in Eng, NZ, Aus and SA and there's no continuity to learn. Rahane is our best overseas batsman but doesn't get picked because his overseas record dates back 3 years rather than 9 months with most teams. How are these guys going to improve in a continuous manner? (BCCI rant oveR)
Other than that, I honestly couldn't care less about 'tailored' home pitches. Don't get me wrong, Nagpur 2015 vs SA was a joke, but when India go away the other teams prepare green tops and we know that. There seems to be this notion in recent years that if 13 wickets fall on day 1 to good pace bowling nobody bats an eyelid, but when Ashwin, Herath, Jadeja, Yasir etc take 13 wickets on Day 1 at Nagpur / Colombo, questions get asked. Financial reasons aside, you play to your strengths at home in order to win and I don't begrudge any team who does. It just makes each team's away life even harder as we can see.
If England want to serve up the below 'pitch' on Test 1 Day 1 at Lord's then so be it. You know what to expect in the return series :)
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh526/cricketbadger03/L2014_zpsuoydjvoi.jpg.html (http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh526/cricketbadger03/L2014_zpsuoydjvoi.jpg.html)
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Actually, I don't think anyone minds if its a raging bunsen a la Dhaka. Its more the low, slow turners that strangle the game that get my proverbials.
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Kohli crying about a wet ball following the resumption of playing after an hours rain delay. Then Elgar edges one and Patel doesn't bother trying to catch the edge. Kohli looks like he about to combust
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Kohli crying about a wet ball following the resumption of playing after an hours rain delay. Then Elgar edges one and Patel doesn't bother trying to catch the edge. Kohli looks like he about to combust
Correct - needs to focus on his captaincy. Both he and the bowlers have let things slip here with these freebies they're offering.
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Not sure why they'd recall patel, shocking keeper. One of the worst around
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Not sure why they'd recall patel, shocking keeper. One of the worst around
Saha is injured..
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I thought Pant was the next cab of the rank in terms of wicket keepers for India? When we where out there last year even Farbrace was hyping him up. And he mullerea 32 ball century yesterday
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Difference in both test matches has been AbD. He’s got some key runs at difficult times and swung the game.
Great start to test match cricket for Ngidi. Looks a good prospect
India have no chance of lasting till lunch
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Should be a great last day, hope it goes to the wire.
Think the pitch has been good to see a test for batsmen. Same for both teams too, was difficult in SA 2nd innings, admittedly is getting worse for the Indians, but that's test cricket and importance of the toss
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Ngidi ripping through India here, collapsing like a house of cards unfortunately!
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I thought this was supposed to be the series where India broke the shackles and won a major series outside India?
That referral must be one of the most laughable pieces of cricket in recent times.
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That steyn injury was a blessing - 6-39 from Ngidi,
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I wish we could find these quality bowlers!
SA are both looking strong in the bowling department at the moment.
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Wonderful debut by the young man. Markram settling in well at the top as well. Let's hope the Proteas can find some consistency and string together a few series win.
India's struggles away from home once again exposed.
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Hated the way Kohli literally took off on the scribes for asking some really relevant questions..
https://twitter.com/chetannarula/status/953596198157520897
Like his batting, but certainly not his arrogance.
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The attitude wasn't good but what was the journalist expecting by asking him that he didn't select his best XI?
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He's a talent cricket but a classless grade A fudbox of a man. Have tried to like him given how ace is he to watch batting, but it's just not possible.
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Prickly interview indeed. One of the journos said under kholi there has never been the same 11 on the field
Is that really right? Surely not
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Here's an infographic showing who played which test under Kohli..
https://scroll.in/field/864161/kohlis-experimentation
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Prickly interview indeed. One of the journos said under kholi there has never been the same 11 on the field
Is that really right? Surely not
Here's an infographic showing who played which test under Kohli..
https://scroll.in/field/864161/kohlis-experimentation
34 tests, 34 different starting XIs... Wow.
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Here's an infographic showing who played which test under Kohli..
https://scroll.in/field/864161/kohlis-experimentation
Very interesting article.
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Amla showing his class once a again in tough conditions
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Most of the commentators saying that this match should be abandoned due to a unsafe pitch
Holding:
"Two out of 100 [is my rating for the pitch]. It's a s**t pitch. You can interpret that. They should have called it off when Vijay got hit. This is not a cricket pitch, this is dangerous. Call it off, forget it. You can't play cricket on that. I have no idea what has gone wrong but I know it's not a good cricket pitch."
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Clearly SA were desperate for a 3-0 result looking at this pitch.
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Anyone watching it live? Is it as bad as people are making out or a load of fuss about nothing?
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Anyone watching it live? Is it as bad as people are making out or a load of fuss about nothing?
Watching at the minute, yes odd balls are misbehaving and majorly in some cases.
Umpires are having the odd chat about it when a player gets hit.
But you can't win Holding is either complaining the pitches are too flat then when a ball moves off the straight its too hard to bat on and its a sh*t pitch.
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Such an important innings by Rahane. Shows what a stupid decision Kohlintook and he's become so powerful within the system that there's no one within the setup to question him.
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The pitch is definitely bad. Dont think SA have bowled as well tbh.
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Most of the commentators saying that this match should be abandoned due to a unsafe pitch
Holding:
"Two out of 100 [is my rating for the pitch]. It's a s**t pitch. You can interpret that. They should have called it off when Vijay got hit. This is not a cricket pitch, this is dangerous. Call it off, forget it. You can't play cricket on that. I have no idea what has gone wrong but I know it's not a good cricket pitch."
From a few websites -
"Two days out from the match, there was a generous covering of green grass on a surface baking under a hot sun, with groundsman Bethuel Buthelezi saying in a weekend newspaper interview that he was planning on preparing a "green mamba" - which South Africans understand as a green pitch offering venomous assistance to seam bowlers."
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If SA were served up this pitch in say the west indies - I assume FAF and the coach would've been up in arms like they usually are
Happy for a pitch to misbehave on day 5 like in Aus, but from day-1 and getting worse is unsafe.
Casing point with that elgar leave, a normal leave with his hands in the air - ball striking him up on the gloves. SA have little chance of chasing this
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I would just say its the same for both sides...
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So elgar has been hit on the helmet and the umpires decide to take the players off. SA keen to get the game called off now given they are not in a great position?
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Looks that way.
Personally, I don't see what the fuss is. There was a lot of reference today to the Sabina Park pitch in 97 or thereabouts, but this is far from the same. SP had huge cracks all over plus a ridge, so the ball could literally go anywhere and do anything. This, one grubber apart, has only had extreme bounce, augmented by conditions that promote swing. Its not like umpires cancel Tests on day one when its a road like Melbourne- say on the grounds that in heat of 35 degrees a bowler might get heat stroke.
Gerronwivit!
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https://streamable.com/w6t31
Pitch is dangerous, period
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Test match to continue
SA not very keen to get out there - obviously their not in the best position in this match.
Personally think it should’ve been called off after the first innings. Surprised no broken fingers - testament to the quality of gloves these days.
Let’s hope no one seriously gets injured.
See SA being rolled over for 120 - cloud covers going to make it impossible to bat
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It's not Sabina park 1998....but it's a bad pitch that's for sure.
Holding saying 'I give this 2 marks, not out of 10 out of a hundred' :)
Umpires nowadays more likely to call it off In case of injury and it looked like the discussions on the pitch from the clips posted that's what they were talking about.
The pitch does not look too dry so I wonder why it's flying off a length?
but game on and could be an entertaining day to watch.
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The huge cracks probably!
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SA done well so far not to lose a wicket today
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theres not been anything dangerous in the first hour , it's a bit overcast maybe that has something to do with how the pitch plays, ball is a bit older as well. There's bounce and movement but batsmen are not in danger at the moment
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How wrong was I in thinking SA would be all out for 120!
Gutsy performance from amla and Elgar
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Did de villiers tape his gloves?
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Did de villiers tape his gloves?
Amla did too, even on his top hand. Excessively on the bottom hand
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Pitch seems to have gone, doing all sorts now. Few of the SA bowlers in danger.
Patel’s the first on the injury list with a broken finger
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Amla did too, even on his top hand. Excessively on the bottom hand
Has anyone got any pictures of their taped gloves?
And would it realistically improve the protection?
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Has anyone got any pictures of their taped gloves?
And would it realistically improve the protection?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/1134650.html?object=207428;dir=next (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/1134650.html?object=207428;dir=next)
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Looking like india's first win against the top 6 in a very very long time away from home.
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Have to say, what an effort from Dean Elgar!
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Have to say, what an effort from Dean Elgar!
Very strangely I like watching Elgar bat just as much as I do Amla- who is a beautiful player to watch
Something about Elgar's sheer guts, crooked defensive strokes and everything seems its so much effort.
Top knock today
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Fair play to India - they’ve competed this series. Had chances in the first 2 games as well.
I personally saw them getting hammered.
SA coach and faf wanted a green top for this test match and it’s backfired on them. Shame it’s not s 5 test match series
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Am I right in saying that India have not won a test series (in any country) against SA since their re admission to test cricket in 1991?
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Am I right in saying that India have not won a test series (in any country) against SA since their re admission to test cricket in 1991?
Not in South Africa but India have won at home. Multiple times.
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Very strangely I like watching Elgar bat just as much as I do Amla- who is a beautiful player to watch
Something about Elgar's sheer guts, crooked defensive strokes and everything seems its so much effort.
Indeed - I find with Amla and De Villiers there is something otherworldly, that you know they are doing something that you could never aspire to, whereas with Elgar you feel like you're watching a slightly better version of the average club player. I've always said as a Yorkshire fan that I wanted players who would crawl over broken glass to play for the County, because that was how I felt about it, and Elgar looks like a South African version of the same
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Not in South Africa but India have won at home. Multiple times.
They have not won a series in India against SA.
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They have not won a series in India against SA.
You sure about that one? ;) ;)
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Happy to be corrected though. What year did they win?
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Ok, they have won in India. I stand corrected. Never won a series in SA?
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IIRC India have only won three Tests in South Africa, rather surprisingly two of those wins came at the Bull Ring.
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ODI series started the other day. du Plessis scored a quite brilliant 120, but he was outgunned by Kohli, whom hit his 33rd limited overs century.
de Villiers missing the first three matches with a fractured index finger. du Plessis subsequently broke his index finger and will miss the rest of ODIs and T20s. Markram will be captain.
South Africa where hopeless against India's wrist spinners.
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Those spinners and Kohli are the difference between 2 sides. I don't see SA winning the series without AB.
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Collapse collapse collapse
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Nothing like hitting long hops straight to the deep fielder. :(
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Question.... How does Kedar Jadhav get away with that action?
I have looked at the ICC regs and it only says about throwing it.
Do you think your arm should have to be a certain degree high?
I do however realise he is not the bowler doing all the damage! It's more a general question.
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Question.... How does Kedar Jadhav get away with that action?
I have looked at the ICC regs and it only says about throwing it.
Do you think your arm should have to be a certain degree high?
I do however realise he is not the bowler doing all the damage! It's more a general question.
His elbow is fine so I don't see the issue.
Why should your shoulder/arm have to be at a certain angle too? You may as well just set up a bowling machine of you have to many regulations in place
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His elbow is fine so I don't see the issue.
Why should your shoulder/arm have to be at a certain angle too? You may as well just set up a bowling machine of you have to many regulations in place
Not saying his elbow is bent.... I was suggesting about how round arm he is.... it is worse than Malinga.
I take your point and agree about there must be different styles of bowling in cricket as thats what makes it unique.
The round arm action though ..... some of the deliveries simply hardly bounce. But i guess that's the point!
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Not sure about this 100 per cent but this has come up before
It doesn't matter how round arm the action is but it must be delivered from above waist high.
Physically you would think it pretty impossible to deliver it below waist high but after a heavy night on the beer in a village in Worcestershire/Hampshire/the sticks I suppose anything is possible.
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2 runs away and they take lunch! Where is the common sense in that!
India’s wrist spinners are seriously good! Kicked the likes of ashwin and jadeja out of the team
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I would even suggest playing them in test matches abroad where there is limited help for spinners. On Indian pitches, Ashwin and Jadeja will get the job done.
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Quinton de Kock latest South African ruled out with injured. Will miss the remaining odi's and t20s. No great loss for them as he's been crap so far
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India's wrist spinners are different gravy.
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looks like South Africa will have another heavy defeat
India on course for a big one on a flat deck
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looks like South Africa will have another heavy defeat
India on course for a big one on a flat deck
Bold call after 18 overs of the match!
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Bold call after 18 overs of the match!
No ab, no dekock, no faf.
Yeah bold call mate
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34th odi 100 for Kohli. Making it look far too easy in the white ball stuff.
Should easily beat the record for the most 100s
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The rate at which Kohli is piling on to ODI runs and centuries, it would feel underwhelming if he didn't end up with 20,000 runs and 65+ centuries.
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No ab, no dekock, no faf.
Yeah bold call mate
Borderline bit of champing there, Champ.
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Borderline bit of champing there, Champ.
Bold call after 18 overs of the match!
Oh dear. Who would’ve picked it. Given the way SA played spin in the first two games the call was a no brained
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Oh dear. Who would’ve picked it. Given the way SA played spin in the first two games the call was a no brained
Don't disagree with you, excellent spin bowling, terrible plans & execution from the SA Batsmen. Might have been an idea to drop Amla down the order, so at least 1 of the middle order was able to play spin.
My comment was more in relation to your phrasing, champ.
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Don't disagree with you, excellent spin bowling, terrible plans & execution from the SA Batsmen. Might have been an idea to drop Amla down the order, so at least 1 of the middle order was able to play spin.
My comment was more in relation to your phrasing, champ.
SA appear to have issues with batting depth. A player like Ingram would fit perfectly if he hadn’t taken the Kolpac route.
AB likely to be fit for the 4th match - should even it up slightly.
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Pancake King Rohit Sharma flops yet again. Unless the pitch is dead as a dodo he's incapable of getting runs
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Kohli’s in some serious form, some of his shots already have been pure class.
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Cricinfo put up a video on how to beat India in ODIs - by preparing flattest tracks.. Seems like it is spot on..Ind dont have anyone capable of big hitting. Middle and lower order are all full of technique guys who can play long at run a ball but cant accelerate, and it will hurt Ind big time on tracks when teams make 320+ scores..
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Kuldeep and Chahal took South Africa down yet again. Rohit blasted his 17th hundred, but not before he ran out both Kohli and Rahane(takes some skill to nail the captain and vice captain). Amla fought a lone hand until he ran himself out. South Africa seems a below par side at present, whilst India seem rampant.
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Forgot to add 30 wickets between the two Indian wrist spinners.
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Kuldeep and Chahal took South Africa down yet again. Rohit blasted his 17th hundred, but not before he ran out both Kohli and Rahane(takes some skill to nail the captain and vice captain).
Otherwise known as "circumstances in which you NEED a hundred"! :D
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Kuldeep and Chahal took South Africa down yet again. Rohit blasted his 17th hundred, but not before he ran out both Kohli and Rahane(takes some skill to nail the captain and vice captain). Amla fought a lone hand until he ran himself out. South Africa seems a below par side at present, whilst India seem rampant.
Interesting
Did I miss your match summary when SA chased down 200 in 25 overs and the spinners took some hammer??
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Another moment where Rabada can't help himself
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Interesting
Did I miss your match summary when SA chased down 200 in 25 overs and the spinners took some hammer??
Feel free to ignore that in that pink match odi, India bowled after the rain. But hey well done you made yourself heard.
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I would credit Pandya for the win in the 5th ODI. The spinners werent really troubling Amla too much and they would have definitely struggled had ABD not fallen early. Spinners just cashed in at the end.
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Feel free to ignore that in that pink match odi, India bowled after the rain. But hey well done you made yourself heard.
Just saying boss
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Another hammering - and another ton for Kohli. Up to 35 already
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Some pull played today by Skipper. Some were from over the head
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558 runs at an average of 186. That’s some series stats
Worrying loss for South Africa - bowling at full strength and still struggled.
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Kohl feasting when it's yet another meaningless bilateral series. In eight series finals the so called superstar averages 22.
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Kohl feasting when it's yet another meaningless bilateral series. In eight series finals the so called superstar averages 22.
Thanks for the insight mate :D
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Kohl feasting when it's yet another meaningless bilateral series. In eight series finals the so called superstar averages 22.
South Africa are the champion chokers Ger
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Kohl feasting when it's yet another meaningless bilateral series. In eight series finals the so called superstar averages 22.
Aren’t bi-lateral series the majority of odi’s played? Think every international would love these “meaningless” runs.
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The toe on Dhoni's bat looks very interesting. Looks like a V - not seen that before from a pro. Extended curve the toe: more than his usual
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yes to save weight looks like it has been done recently his toe looked old in the middle and new on the outer edges of the v.
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Old Bhuvi Kumar quietly turning into a world class bowler. Seems as ease with either white or red ball