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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Buzz on July 30, 2010, 10:24:46 AM
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Given there were no comments on this game yesterday (as everyone waits to see Talismans bat sale) i though I would start a thread on the new test match and offer a few thoughts...
Morgan looks good but got no chin music yesterday, so the jury can still stay out for a while - but is in fact technically much better than I realised
Pietersen needs (a lot of) time in the middle
Collingwood is a hero
Cook need runs - but his technique is better suited to Aus wickets than facing a hooping ball at Trent bridge
and the Pak bowling attack looks over-hyped
Finally, Kamran Akmal is the worst wicket keeper I have seen in almost all cricket - not counting beer/village cricket or when I had to stand behind the stumps in a few league games a couple of seasons ago.
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Buzz even though i never saw you keep, i think you may give poor old kamran a run for his money!
Interesting looking at the difference between cook and morgan, with just the flexing of the knees by morgan and trigger by cook.
Referrals make me laugh too with "the chat" after every lbw decision!
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Given there was no comments yesterday (as everyone waits to see Talismans bat sale) i though I would start a thread on the new test match and offer a few thoughts...
Morgan looks good but got no chin music yesterday, so the jury can still stay out for a while - but is in fact technically much better than I realised COULD POSSIBLY BE THE BEST TEST BATSMEN ENGLAND (IRELAND) HAVE PRODUCED IN A DECADE!
Pietersen needs (a lot of) time in the middle AGREED
Collingwood is a hero AGREED
Cook need runs - but his technique is better suited to Aus wickets than facing a hooping ball at Trent bridge. AGREED
and the Pak bowling attack looks over-hyped AGREED
Finally, Kamran Akmal is the worst wicket keeper I have seen in almost all cricket - not counting beer/village cricket or when I had to stand behind the stumps in a few league games a couple of seasons ago. - AGREED
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The Pakistan attack especially Asif and Amer are excellent bowlers in conditions that suit them e.g. damp swinging seaming conditions however when conditions don't suit them, if the ball isn't swing and seaming that lack of pace can be exposed.
Having dropped yet another catch how can a professional team field so badly!!
I have no idea what has happened to DK surely he doesn't bowl this badly when he is taking bucket loads of wickets at Essex.
Assuming that everybody is fit and in decent form what would you England top 6 be in the ashes?
Personally, i know this might be unpopular, but i would have AS - AC - JT - KP - PC - MP play the extra bowler as I don't think our bowling will be as good in aus conditions.
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Nice spot - it is noticeable how still Morgan's head is and level his eyes are. That is not the case with at the moment, which is why Cook (and Pietersen) got out and Morgan got runs (I think)
As for my keeping, I earned the nick name "Tin Man" due to how much I creaked, which I think may be flattering on Akmal, who doesn't appear to bend down at all!! Calling him Teflon hands or symbols is an insult to no stick frying pans and percussion players respectively...
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I'm not one to feel sorry for pakistan, but you've gotta feel for Aamer. Another catch of his bowling in hurled to the ground.
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Rich - My Ashes team would be the one playing at the moment but with Bell at 5 and Peitersen at 3, Colly at 4 and either Trott or Cook opening depending on who gets more runs in this series.
I don't think playing the extra bowler will help as it would have to be one of Bresnan, Rashid or Shahzad - the first two would get hammered all over the park and the second has a poor fitness record, but will be pushing for Anderson's place.
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The Pakistan attack especially Asif and Amer are excellent bowlers in conditions that suit them e.g. damp swinging seaming conditions however when conditions don't suit them, if the ball isn't swing and seaming that lack of pace can be exposed.
Having dropped yet another catch how can a professional team field so badly!!
I have no idea what has happened to DK surely he doesn't bowl this badly when he is taking bucket loads of wickets at Essex.
Assuming that everybody is fit and in decent form what would you England top 6 be in the ashes?
Personally, i know this might be unpopular, but i would have AS - AC - JT - KP - PC - MP play the extra bowler as I don't think our bowling will be as good in aus conditions.
Kaneria is too good for county cricket, merely ordinary for Test cricket.
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The Pakistani fielding coach.......
(http://www.harborseal.com/images/harbor-seal.jpg)
Poor old Aamer - could have been a completelty different match had they taken their catches.
If you bring back younus and khan then the pakistani side looks extremely competitive!
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Its a tough choice who the the top 5 to be for ashes, i think as buzz said cook will be better in aus but then can you assume that or go with people who are making more runs?
Shame morgans out! Hopefully see swanny smash a few around now!
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Kaneria is too good for county cricket, merely ordinary for Test cricket.
is he the west brom of cricket??
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Careful!!!
But prob true lol
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My ashes team for OZ
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Morgan
Prior
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Anderson
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Longy, you are not seriously playing Bresnan ahead of Finn in Australia? That is an enormous call!
I wouldn't even have Bresnan in my touring party - his medium pace will get smashed all around Aus!!!
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I would, reliable and will add strength to the batting line up
Plus i am a yorkshire lad so slightly biased, but i dont think finn is quite there yet, at least with bresnan what you see is what you get, he is pretty consistent
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consistently average!
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Whilst I agree that Finn might not be ready yet Bresnan is very average in english conditons let alone in Aus.
What about 2 spinners play rashid or im quite a fan of Shazad using reverse swink which is important which the Kook ball
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Dominoes! One goes, they all go this morning!
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I think the problem is, like they were saying on TMS yesterday, we have 3 or 4 "possible" bowlers who could be taken on the tour but none of them are guaranteed a place.
Asif giving a little masterclass of line and length bowling........you dont need to bowl at 90+mph to be a dangerous fast bowler.
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Chaos in Nottingham!! But it has given the Paks a route back into the game.
I would play Rashid soon, but I think he needs to spend more time bowling and isn't quite ready for an Ashes trip (also I am not sure Flower and Strauss like him) So perhaps a winter playing grade cricket would be good for Rashid.
I am a big fan of Shahzad, but am not sure he is quite ready either if he was fitter I would be considering playing him ahead of Anderson (sacrilege I know) as I think he would be more effective in Aus - Finn I think is ready and is class - as he will show later today.
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Care to make a paypal wager on that???
£5 says he wont take more than 1 wicket today.......the gauntlet, albeit a rather small and insignificant one, has been laid down!!!!
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Care to make a paypal wager on that???
£5 says he wont take more than 1 wicket today.......the gauntlet, albeit a rather small and insignificant one, has been laid down!!!!
you are on.
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Chaos in Nottingham!! But it has given the Paks a route back into the game.
I would play Rashid soon, but I think he needs to spend more time bowling and isn't quite ready for an Ashes trip (also I am not sure Flower and Strauss like him) So perhaps a winter playing grade cricket would be good for Rashid.
I am a big fan of Shahzad, but am not sure he is quite ready either if he was fitter I would be considering playing him ahead of Anderson (sacrilege I know) as I think he would be more effective in Aus - Finn I think is ready and is class - as he will show later today.
Finn is class? He's managed to bully Bangladesh, Australia are a different league - more so in Australia.
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Finn is going to be great in Aus - he bowls a great line and gets bounce (which is much harder to play than sideways movement) because he is about 15 ft tall.
The Bangers are irrelevant I agree
p.s. 6-23 this morning is terrible.
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I should have specified that i meant in todays play i dont think he'll get more than 1 wicket.......however, i'll have to stand by my word (rather foolishly)
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I should have specified that i meant in todays play i dont think he'll get more than 1 wicket.......however, i'll have to stand by my word (rather foolishly)
When you said "today" - I have assumed that you meant "in today's play"
I am not sure where else he will take a wicket - in the post play Ice Bath with SCJ Broad - I hope not!!!
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:D I didnt even read my own post. Thats the problem with being a complete and utter retard!!
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too busy thinking about the difference between an ancle and an ankle ;)
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karma me thinks :D
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back to this game, i think swan will take 5-6 wickets in this game maybe even 10 in the match, big turn and variable bounce plus its his home ground..... could be carnage!!
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Was Butt using a newbery?- saw the hammer edge sheet.
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I can't imagine why he would want to cover up the edges of his bat
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Not watching because at work sadly! But doesn't Butt use Addidas?
On that note has anyone ever had a Addidas bat? Are they any good?
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He does use an addidas but he had the newbery scuff sheet on, so im assuming its a newbery stickered u as an addidas
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On that note has anyone ever had a Addidas bat? Are they any good?
I have an Adidas Incurza Elite - it's a great quality bat! The willow is excellent and it has a gem of a middle - big middle too!
A couple of the guys at my club have borrowed it and have been impressed with the feel of it, and how the ball comes off it.
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that's it Finn my boy!!!
Umar Amin c Swann b Finn 2 (Pakistan 35-3) The towering Steven Finn enters the attack.
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I suppose you've already planned what to do with your winnings :D
Rich - I had a Pellara Elite, dead as a dodo and plenty of better value bats out there. I would imagine they have been pressed pretty damn hard. Few other players at my club have purchased them, much to my chagrin, and i have yet to hear a sweet sounding one.....they just sound hard and dead :(
I personally would reccomend many, many other bats before an Adidas bat.
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Looks like the Incurza is the only decent Adidas found so far! ;)
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He does use an addidas but he had the newbery scuff sheet on, so im assuming its a newbery stickered u as an addidas
I have loads of bats with Hammer Edge on that arn't newbery
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Unlucky Dom. Finn's second wicket.
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Buzzy is up a fiver!
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paypal details please Buzz!
Well, at least England are winning.......every cloud etc.
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Maybe you two could do a double or quits scenario ?
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given that was like taking candy from a baby - SS - how about double or quits that Pak are bowled out by tea? i.e. inside 55mins...
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SS - I bet you're tempted! ;)
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i think pakistan might be out for less than 65 :O
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6 down now...
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if malik is out soon i think they may well be out before tea
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Finny boy!! Another wicket!
Met Steve Finn last saturday, he was really happy to be in the England team and a really nice guy aswell
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not at all - i dont think i could explain that kind of black hole in my finances to the better half :D
Me thinks you had some insider information.....i thought it was almost inconceivable that England could take 2/3 wickets against that rock solid batting line-up (in hindsight it was an incredibly stupid bet :D)
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How Shoaib Malik is all ways the fall guy for pakistani cricket is beyond me. He seems to be the only batsman that has any backbone.
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Was Butt using a newbery?- saw the hammer edge sheet.
Butt's agent, and his cousin, plays for my club and he gave one of Butt's rejects to one of the 2's opener's.
It's a plank and a half
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Whats happened to mohammed yousuf as he seemed to be the only one in their batting line up that would show some grit?
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Whats happened to mohammed yousuf as he seemed to be the only one in their batting line up that would show some grit?
retired
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Retired doesnt really tell the story - didnt he get booted out?
Here is a half decent link for the match for those without sky
http://supersportz2.blogspot.com/
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Retired doesnt really tell the story - didnt he get booted out?
Here is a half decent link for the match for those without sky
[url]http://supersportz2.blogspot.com/[/url]
banned for life, then appealed and got un-banned, then retired. or something along those lines
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banned for life, then appealed and got un-banned, then retired. or something along those lines
Banned for life, given the choice to appeal but he declined.
Few days ago said he was willing to come out of retirement.
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why was he banned for life?
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why was he banned for life?
disruption in the dressing room apprantly
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disruption in the dressing room apprantly
that's news to me mate, I heard it was off his ordinary captaincy skills
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that's news to me mate, I heard it was off his ordinary captaincy skills
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/pakistan/8559122.stm
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Second test starts this morning... Pakistan have dropped the wicket keeper and MoYo has said (understandably) he isn't in any sort of condition to play in this match.
If England bowl first I think this game will be over in three days.
England 1 Andrew Strauss (capt), 2 Alastair Cook, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Paul Collingwood, 6 Eoin Morgan, 7 Matt Prior (wk), 8 Graeme Swann, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steven Finn
Pakistan 1 Salman Butt (capt), 2 Imran Farhat, 3 Azhar Ali, 4 Umar Amin, 5 Umar Akmal, 6 Shoaib Malik, 7 Zulqarnain Haider (wk), 8 Mohammad Amir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Saeed Ajmal, 11 Mohammad Asif
oh and Salman Butt has won the toss and Pakistan will bat.
http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/engine/current/match/426414.html
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I'm not a betting man........but i cant see Finn taking more than 1 wicket today.......
Thanks for the quick reminder, time to tune into TMS!!!
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Also Sri Lanka have fought back hard this morning against India and that game is shaping up to be a cracker - http://www.cricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2010/engine/current/match/456671.html
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Sky HD is warming up.
Will be looking at the form of Cook and Pietersen....although I suspect that if these 2 do not perform with the bat again, it is only likely to be Cook who is possibly dropped!
But with the likes of Carberry, Lumb and Bopara all on excellent form, then should England be waiting for Cook and Pietersen to refind their form? Or should we be playing the players who are actually already in great form?
Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Bell hadn't got his injury!! ???
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Sky HD ready for the 1st hour of the morning....net at Globe from 12-1 to fine tune my batting skills for the weekends big cup game then back to work afterwards!
Think KP could be warming the bench if Belly was fit?!?
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I reckon Cook would be the one jogging on with the drinks if Bell was fit!
They would have to amend the batting order slightly - open with Trott and Beel at 3? - but I'm pretty sure they'd drop Cook before the sacred KP?
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If Bell wasn't injured, Morgan wouldn't have been picked
In my view any suggestion of dropping either Cook or Pietersen is barking, unless we have people ready made who could open and average 45 and bat at 4 and average 49 over 50 tests as these guys do.
In any team there are batsman who are in form and out of form, but you also need to maintain consistency to ensure the best performance from a batsman.
Given how the team are playing, I can't see that there will be any changes to the team ahead of the ashes, so when Bell gets fit he will almost cetainly miss out - unless one of the batters gets no runs in this series.
I actually think that Trott shouldn't be pushed up to open, but if Cook is to be dropped, Bell should open in his place. That way the batting order stays as settled as possible, which is really important.
Personally I think that we have too many natural number 5's in our team, with Bell, Collingwood, Pieterson, Bopara and Trott all more naturally suited to the number 5 at test level.
There is zero chance of KP being dropped.
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Alot of that is true.
Just as well Bell wasn't fit, as we would have been deprived of some stunning batting from Morgan!! :D
But will be interested to see what happens if Cook does fail again....with the form Carberry is in with the bat, and as he does open well and fields superbly, will he be tried out in the next Test to give an decent alternative to Cook?
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Anyone fancy a little paypal wager again? ;)
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Carberry is a really good play and a fantastic fielder - so my get a mention in dispatches.
Am happy to undertake a paypal wager, on condition the odds are as favourable as those offered by SS... :)
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Thinking retrospectively, it wasnt a wager at all.......it was a mugging and everybody watched as Buzz delighted in making me look like a fool!
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Buzz ... fiver says England wont bowl out pakistan today?
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Buzz ... fiver says England wont bowl out pakistan today?
you are on.
On the other game - India need 257 to win... anyone think that will do it?
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Great... Shilly this mugging is for you mate!
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Leo - I don't think the Pak's will make it to tea!
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2:25 today =
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/R1__zgDRhdI/AAAAAAAAEQc/PKMJlFxJ2zo/s400/001BadLight.jpg)
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1.5
Randiv to Sehwag, OUT, The big wicket is down. Sehwag out for a duck. The crowd roar. And roar. What a game-breaking moment this. It was from round the stumps, it landed around off and it didn't turn in. Sehwag thought it would and went forward to defend. It took the edge and went to Mahela who pouches it safely. And he spreads his arms in joy!
V Sehwag c DPMD Jayawardene b Randiv 0 (3b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00
Game on!
P.s. I think Finn should be given the new ball ahead of Broad
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If murali was playing then Sri-Lanka win - but i think they might be a spinner short to bowl out the indians.
Take him to the cleaners Leo :D
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there's one for finn!
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Pakistan have gone form playing at everything, throwing bat and hands away form body last test match, to not hitting a bloody thing! They could still be skittled out for 80, just drag it out twice as long as last time!
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Will they make it to Lunch???
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Will they make it to Lunch???
Will your bat pics make it before lunch?
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1 down so thought I would be safe to take dogs for a quick walk....come back and 3 down! Hmmmmm, I'm not a betting man but Buzz may have his nose in the lead at the moment!
And Talisman - bat pics indeed!
How is the laptop? You sorted?
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Yes, managed to get into safe mode, restore setting from 3 days ago, download Spybot and remove all Trojans, I hope that lasts...
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I dont really think this series can get much worse for pakistan. We'll probably see Inzy or akram come out of retirement next... Their batting line up just looks stupidly weak apart from Malik.
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Glad to hear it!
And 36 for 6 now! Hmmmm.
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Pak are 72 all out, Leo, it will be a pleasure doing business with you.
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Argh will send it over now... unless you fancy double or quits ;)
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Argh will send it over now... unless you fancy double or quits ;)
how about on the close of play score?
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Sure, you choose a score?
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well im confused now, whta ya mean
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given that I am in the money, i am not sure the honour is with me, however, in this case I am going for 72 (for 2) with an early finish due to rain and bad light.
Sorry I deleted a post because I changed my mind!!
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So how do I win and how do you win?
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whoever is closest i think!
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whoever is closest in runs - so your choice is either 71 or 73 I would have thought!!
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73 :)
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Pak are 72 all out, Leo, it will be a pleasure doing business with you.
Good call
Pietersen dropped
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anyone else think that umar gul looked like a 4 year old when they try catch??
looks like leo is getting even!
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come on the rain!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_dance
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Saeed Ajmal has some stones, and no word of a lie. He's talking to Nasser at the moment, a huge grin on his face. 'How did England bowl yesterday?' asks Nass "Very badly, very very badly. Anderson was easy for me, for 20 balls I had easy ones and twos, no problems at all." When the camera cuts back to the commentary box, Atherton, Warne and Gower are all in hysterics. Gower can hardly get a word out between his giggles. "At least he's not talking about getting the ball in good areas," chuckles Atherton.
England to polish this off before lunch anyone?
ok unlikely - but it will be a good morning's cricket.
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118 to win
anyone got a afro wig and 'tash?
I think Eng will win, but loose about 6 wickets in the process. Swann to hit the winning runs, with Collie at the other end...
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cook gone...
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cook gone...
Dropped shortly? He is looking out of form
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i feel he won't be dropped
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I think Cook will get the rest of this series to prove himself, seems they really want him in the team.
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he is vice captain ...
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I think Cook will get the rest of this series to prove himself, seems they really want him in the team.
Tough one this - Cook was our best batsman in Bangladesh - has a few bad days and people are calling for his head - having said that, in Bangaladesh opening is definitely the best place to bat.
Carberry is the next man in as a potential opener - and is in form, so he may get another go. The question is: do the selectors think he is going to come good? Cook has made a habit of being an "all or nothing player" he either gets out cheaply or gets in and makes a biggy.
The fact is when Cook goes back to Essex he always gets a mountain of runs (except for the start of this season interestingly.)
Personally I would stick with him, but if Bell was around, I would have him open the batting instead. As mentioned elsewhere, I am not a fan of moving Trott up to open - and I also think Cook will do well in Aus. Tough on Carberry - maybe, but I have this feeling that he is a journeyman pro who is having a decent run, rather than a true star in the making.
It makes no difference that he is vice captain, Kamran Akmal was VC of the Pak's
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He looks very low on confidence. I think if it wasnt an Ashes winter they might have done to Cook what they did to Strauss a couple of years ago in NZ. Give him a winter off and a bit of a break and come back refreshed for the summer.
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They wont be quick to drop cook as he is seen as part of the senior set up and seen by many of the regime as the next England captain. Difficult to go along with this especially with the number of problems he has on a regular basis regarding his technique unless he finds his form and gets rid of the over technical side of batting he wont be a future captain in my book.
Very good player with far too many issues regarding his technique and style, constantly changing the way he plays and messing around with his game, when your in the middle of a test series you shouldn't have any issues regarding your technique or if you have then you shouldn't be in the team.
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Tough one this - Cook was our best batsman in Bangladesh - has a few bad days and people are calling for his head - having said that, in Bangaladesh opening is definitely the best place to bat.
Carberry is the next man in as a potential opener - and is in form, so he may get another go. The question is: do the selectors think he is going to come good? Cook has made a habit of being an "all or nothing player" he either gets out cheaply or gets in and makes a biggy.
The fact is when Cook goes back to Essex he always gets a mountain of runs (except for the start of this season interestingly.)
Personally I would stick with him, but if Bell was around, I would have him open the batting instead. As mentioned elsewhere, I am not a fan of moving Trott up to open - and I also think Cook will do well in Aus. Tough on Carberry - maybe, but I have this feeling that he is a journeyman pro who is having a decent run, rather than a true star in the making.
It makes no difference that he is vice captain, Kamran Akmal was VC of the Pak's
Very very interesting statement that concerning Cook in Auz, the Aussies don't rate cook at all and his record against them is very poor i think so i don't expect him to do much and with his current problems i wouldn't pick him.
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I still think that the powers will have half an eye on the Somerset v Hampshire game to see how Carberry does!
Or they should be at least! And who knows whagt's in the head of these selectors!!
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And who knows whagt's in the head of these selectors!!
consistency? backing their men?
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He looks very low on confidence. I think if it wasnt an Ashes winter they might have done to Cook what they did to Strauss a couple of years ago in NZ. Give him a winter off and a bit of a break and come back refreshed for the summer.
I agree - and I think it would do him the power of good too. Make him play some grade cricket in Aus for a winter. It did Ravi Bop no harm spending last winter in NewZealand too...
On the technical aspects - I agree - I think he has been "over coached" and needs to clear his mind rather than thinking about his wonkey trigger movements, which is causing his head to dip at the moment of release, hence he can't play the moving ball and he has no control of where the ball is in relation to his off stump. He needs to ditch the trigger movement and stand still.
Easy for me to say from here. When I coached him at his prep school (aged 12) he didn't have any of these issues...!
Hoskers, i know you are a fan of the Carberry.
In Aus Cook averages 27 - during the worst tour in living memory from an Englaish perspective with a terrible skipper. I wouldn't hold that against him
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/11728.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;host=2;opposition=2;template=results;type=allround
I couldn't care less who the Aussies rate or not. They keep picking Marcus North and who is that non spinning left arm slow pie chucker they pick too?
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i think it is unlikely but if cook is dropped i doubt it will be carberry replacing him.
i would bring in a youngster not many would pick but i would
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i think it is unlikely but if cook is dropped i doubt it will be carberry replacing him.
Dave - I agree but, which rabbit do you think they will pull from the hat then if Cook was to be "rested"?
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It's not only that I'm a fan of Carberry - it's also that I believe that they play a lot of cricket over the season, and sometimes a player just hits bad form for various reason. So the normal resolution would be to rest them at International level and let them play themselves back into form at first class level.
And also a strong believer that you should normally play the in form players if possible, assuming there is a decent alternative to that bat placing! Therefore agree with you that the batting order should not be changed if humanly possible, as this can upset the mental attitude of the batsmen who get moved around. But if Cook is (obviously) out of form, and Carberry looks to be in good form and is a genuine opener, then that would surely be worth doing.
There is also the attitude that we should stick with Cook until he hits form again at International level, but if he still doesn't in 2 or 3 tests time, then what do we do then? At least if we test Carberry against Pakistan, then Cook gets a rest at that level and can go away and work on hitting good form again! And we can see for sure if Carberry is a true alternative to Cook as an opener?
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hales and open trott and bring in hales at around 5 or 6
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They wont drop cook in my opinion, if they did drop him and say he didn't go to Oz you would need a replacement opener and don't think they rate Carberry. You cant got on tour with only 2 openers in the squad, so they will stick with cook and have Trott as cover for an opener then fit bell back in when fit.
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hales for me seen him once and stood out would be a bit of a gamble but like morgan he just has something special i think
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hales and open trott and bring in hales at around 5 or 6
For those not following Notts - http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/249866.html
I think that is a big ask for him to step up - that's not to say he couldn't - but I have never heard of him before or seen him play so can't really comment
I would go for Carberry, for the reasons outlined by Pete - if I had to make the change, otherwise i would basically do what Watsontotty says above (other than open with Bell) for the winter
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good discusson but similar to nick speak (rich you remember him) scored around 2000 championship runs in a season but selectors were not interested i think same with carberry if they wanted him he would have played more by now and if there was anybody else good out there then they would have been brought in i suspect.
hales would be a gamble yes but at what price no disrespect to Pakistan but i would bring in a few hopefuls now without doubt especially batsman there attack is not to shabby at all.
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Yer i wouldn't open with Bell either and I'm not sure on Carberry as in all fairness I've not seen that much of him, seen even less of the lad Hales so definitely cant comment on him. On carberry I've heard some very positive things from people ex players i respect and they feel he is a very very good player.
Had Bell been fit a decision would have had to be made for sure and think in a way the selectors are happy they don't have to.
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good discusson but similar to nick speak (rich you remember him) scored around 2000 championship runs in a season but selectors were not interested i think same with carberry if they wanted him he would have played more by now and if there was anybody else good out there then they would have been brought in i suspect.
hales would be a gamble yes but at what price no disrespect to Pakistan but i would bring in a few hopefuls now without doubt especially batsman there attack is not to shabby at all.
I certainly do remember Nick Speak bud and he is out in Australia or at least he was last time i spoke to him, obviously being a Lancashire fan i watched him bat many many times and at the time England were a closed shop. England look to identify players on temperament rather than ability ?
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Dave,
I think Hales has an outside chance of being picked to T20 this winter. Have seen him a couple of times and is still a bit raw. Morgan is a different case in that he was more experienced (in ODIs at least) before he played internationals.
Cook is a back foot player - this should suit Down Under. How about Steve Davies? He will go to Oz as back-up keeper and looks a real exciting opener for Surrey.
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Dave,
I think Hales has an outside chance of being picked to T20 this winter. Have seen him a couple of times and is still a bit raw. Morgan is a different case in that he was more experienced (in ODIs at least) before he played internationals.
Cook is a back foot player - this should suit Down Under. How about Steve Davies? He will go to Oz as back-up keeper and looks a real exciting opener for Surrey.
too right about davies :)
on another note: alex hales used to go to my school :D
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well that was pretty clinical...
2-0 with 2 to play.
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Had to post this........from the cricket with balls website, i think he has to be the best cricket blogger out there.
"In a corner of a room, Ijaz Butt was crying.
The sounds of sobbing brought a startled flunky running. “Master! Master! Whatever is the matter?”
“Oh Salman,”, Butt wailed, “It’s all gone wrong”
“How, Master? How?”
“No-one finds us funny anymore. Salman”
“Surely not, Master”
“It’s true, Salman. We’ve tried it all – three captains who hated each other, suspending people and letting them come back right away, everything. We even gave Kamran Akmal wicketkeeping gloves!”
Salman is, by now, laughing so hard he can hardly breathe.
“But <gasp> Master, that’s <wheeze> hilarious <sob>!”
“No, Salman, it isn’t. Not any more. It was, but it is not now. No-one is laughing.”
“Might I make a humble suggestion, Master”
“Oh, go on. It can’t be worse than my idea of recalling Mohammed Yousuf”
“That’s just it, Master. Now we’ve recalled him, let’s arrange for him to only arrive the day before the Test. And then to claim that all of the flying has made him too tired to play”
“Go on.”
“And then we drop Kamran, and replace him with someone who has never taken a catch in international cricket”
“So, just like Kamran, but with the potential to be even worse?”
“Exactly, Master!”
“Salman, you’re a genius. Make it so!”
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Going to be a good day at the oval today and certainly a good toss to win, given that Bill Gordon has confirmed that the pitch has been more traditionally prepared than last years bunsen.
Teams will be: England: Andrew Strauss (capt), Alastair Cook, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wkt), Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Steven Finn.
Pakistan: Imran Farhat, Salman Butt (capt), Azhar Ali, Mohammad Yousuf, Umar Akmal, Yasir Hameed ,Kamran Akmal (wkt), Mohammad Aamer, Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Asif, Wahab Riaz.
Great to see Kamran Akmal back, he really has worked hard for his recall (erhemm!)
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Looking forward to it Sky HD fired up and cup of tea at the ready for the 1st hours play.....whos going to be batting 1st?
Think England may stick them in if we win the toss given Pakistans fragile position and confidence in their batting line up at the moment!!! may well be proven wrong tho
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KP will score a ton in the test
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outrageous confidence there mate i like it.....neck on the line stuff!
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What about cook? :) must be some good odds on him gettin to the triple figures!!!???
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Whoever wins the toss will bat first. The weather forcast for today is good, then for tomorrow is cloudy, with damp conditions on friday, before being sunny on Sat... That screams bat first, as does the Oval pitch.
I would love to see KP score a biggie. I also want to see Cookie get a score too.
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i love watching kp bat when hes on it ! fantastic player
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I hope Yousuf scores a ton. Am eagerly waiting to see him in the middle wearing Xiphos pads, Nitro gloves and not sure of his bat
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These mums and dads are shocking.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/shockingpads.jpg)
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Second ball of the match....... two byes through Akmal! Looks like business will resume as usual then :D
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and cook scratching around like a cat in the litter tray :)
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well at least we may get entertained now!
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And there goes cook
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even more predictable than Akmal dropping a ball is Cook getting out cheaply.......another failure, but it looks like it could be tough conditions today!
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think cook could make any bowling/conditions look good in current form...lack of footwork leading to some horrible positions of the bat etc
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haider must be injured surely...
the clown that is akmal kamran should not be allowed near a test again...
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Yes he has a fractured finger
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Thanks to Broad for that
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Tactical I think
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from what iv seen the pakistan keepers dont use their hands much anyway??!! :-[
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It's quite sad for the 24 year old lad. Broad just got away with £3000 fine but it could be his last test for sometime
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hold on - Broad didn't break the guy's finger, it was broken already, the journalists just using this as PR spin. It was then agrovated in training. Heider will be back, although I (slightly contraversially) don't think he is much cop either.
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It wasn't that serious but after Broads incident it got worst as the ball struck that damaged finger.
LOL umpires seems to be on drugs today
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In comes Pietersen who has great record at this ground
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Strauss is a disgrace. blatant cheating with UDRS in use
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Oh come on, he is allowed to stand his ground - it is a test match not a Sunday village game!
Strauss is a disgrace. blatant cheating with UDRS in use
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It's not in the spirit but how many batsmen at any level walk these days less than 10% I would say not saying it's right just the way things are people don't walk can't think of many at international level that do gilchrist always used too
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Oh come on, he is allowed to stand his ground - it is a test match not a Sunday village game!
this match has reviews. he would've known he'd be given out, yet just stood there.
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IMO its upto the umpires and system in palce to give the batsmen out at this level....the people are in palce to make the decisions so its upto them to make them.
Times have changed unfortunately and people walking may sadly be a thing of the past, disgrace is a pretty harsh word to use as he stayed put until given out which hes entitled to do.
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Maybe the Haider 'edge' that so irked Broad and wasn't given via UDRS in the last Test was in Strauss's mind. The people interpreting the technology are still fallilble... England didn't review, so all they have lost is a wicket.
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Just seen KP watching the bowler at the non-strikers end to see where his foot lands. Very smart thinking considering the reviews and the necessity of the delivery to be legal when being reviewed...
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I don't think you can call a review if you think it's a no ball the third umpire can check if the umpire asks as they have just done
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No one likes to walk away or get out. Everyone likes to carry on
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Unlucky Collingwood
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struggling a bit now with Colley on his way back to the hut as well!
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Only positive is that it gives Morgan a chance to show what he can do under pressure
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Not the best mornings play from England this summer. Well bowled Pakistan though, i have a feeling this could be a tight match.
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Yep. Pakistan have bowled well. Especially Wahab Riaz on his debut. Swings it away from the right hander and bangs it into the deck. Decent pace.
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Eng are up a creek now, with very little paddle left.
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Tuffers is giving batting tips on TMS, talking about how to play the moving ball, using Prior as his example.
I think he has been reading our forum ;)
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I don't support Pak, but what a performance by Wahab Riaz on debut 5 fer
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think prior today showed why he is our test batsman classy innings and makes it hard to drop him for the chosen forum one(kieswetter) although i suspect davies is possible number 2....
is there a more imporved player than prior his keeping has come on leaps and bounds and his batting looks stronger than ever....
possible best batsman/keeper in test cricket???
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think prior today showed why he is our test batsman classy innings and makes it hard to drop him for the chosen forum one(kieswetter) although i suspect davies is possible number 2....
is there a more imporved player than prior his keeping has come on leaps and bounds and his batting looks stronger than ever....
possible best batsman/keeper in test cricket???
I'd have Dhoni or McCullum before Prior.
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Dhoni is his only contender McCullum in one day cricket fine but in test cricket just is not in the same mould as Prior as a batsman...
Prior has been showing his class with the bat he must work hard at all form as his keeping has come on leaps and bounds....
Dhoni is a fine batsman i agree but his average is based on playing in sub continent flat tracks so his average is hard to interpite
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I'm still unsure as to what people see in Dhoni! I remain unconvinced as far as his keeping abilities go, his batting is good when it comes off but it can be hit and miss. Admittedly, there is a shortage of a high class keeper/batsmen around, Brendan Mac is probably up there with Matty Prior, Prasanna Jayawardene is a hell of a keeper but an average bat, but it depends what sides want in their keeper! We can't all have a Gilly!
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tumo i agree jaywardene is currently the best keeper of test playing keepers
Dhoni is a average keeper at best...
i suspect tim paine is waiting to do it though and looks a good bet...(he too is not the best keeper in the world either)
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prior is the way forward,.,, and he is keeping is quality now as well
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Dhoni is a average keeper at best...
Dhoni is far better than Prior Dave.
2007 in England Dhoni's keeping was 100 times better than Prior's.
Furthermore, its tougher to keep on low sub continental pitches than more lively English pitches.
With regards to Dhoni's batting, two of his hundreds have been match saving efforts, his 148 vs Pakistan( a far better attack than the current Pakistani attack) and 109 vs Sri Lanka when the Lankans where all over India.
Also its not Dhoni's fault he plays in India is it? He is Indian after all.
Dhoni can score runs again the best sides, unlike Prior who loves to dip his bread vs the ordinary West Indies side.
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in 2007 maybe mate but we are talking 2010 where prior is ten times better than he was!
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harder to keep in india than england...
are you a keeper i suspect not it hard to keep in england due to the amount of after swing which you do not get much of in india
dhoni is not a great keeper good batsman and prior is improving all the time in both....
also what prior doing at the moment make no mistake the pakistan bowling is as good a attack as anything in world cricket......
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in 2007 maybe mate but we are talking 2010 where prior is ten times better than he was!
Still not in Dhoni's league pal
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It's a close run thing I think! Think prior is improving and dhoni isn't so maybe soon it'll be very close!?
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It's a close run thing I think! Think prior is improving and dhoni isn't so maybe soon it'll be very close!?
How do you work that one out? Dhoni works as hard as any other Indian player, otherwise he would've been binned along time ago.
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Why would he have been binned? he could be not improving and still be the best?
I phrased it wrong anyway. I meant I Think prior is improving at a faster rate than dhoni.
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Sorry but Dhoni is a flat track bully what have we seen of him in England????
Not a lot iindeed we all have opinions but i suspect as i always have championed Prior is as good as i said as Dhoni in test cricket and i will stick to that
stats alone it hard dhoni on flat wickets for half his games and to say prior has only done it v the windies is slight harsh look at this series Pakistan are no mugs with the ball at all....
Dhoni in one day cricket as a keeper has only one rival Sanga and in truth sanga all day long but in test cricket it is without doubt Prior is his number one competitior as world number 1 keeper/batsman
they both have identical test records withthe bat very close indeed
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Dhoni is far better than Prior Dave.
2007 in England Dhoni's keeping was 100 times better than Prior's.
Furthermore, its tougher to keep on low sub continental pitches than more lively English pitches.
With regards to Dhoni's batting, two of his hundreds have been match saving efforts, his 148 vs Pakistan( a far better attack than the current Pakistani attack) and 109 vs Sri Lanka when the Lankans where all over India.
Also its not Dhoni's fault he plays in India is it? He is Indian after all.
Dhoni can score runs again the best sides, unlike Prior who loves to dip his bread vs the ordinary West Indies side.
Strong Pakistan attack? abdul razzaq is distinctly ordinary, shoaib ahktar took 1/100 in that game and danesh kaneria was affectively nullified by kamran akmal behind the stumps. prior was facing a new quick, who was an unknown quantity, mohammed aamer who continues to be the best quick bowling prospect in world cricket, and mohammed asif at his canniest and most cunning. no, it's not his fault he plays in india, but the amount of flat tracks will undoubtedly inflate averages. He averages 49.41 in asia compared to 32.9 outside, which is a big difference. dhoni's keeping is worse than prior's now, and actually, it should be easier to keep in the subcontinent, if your technique is right as you rise with the ball, so if the ball doesn't rise then neither do you, whereas you have to deal with the swinging ball here, swinging both ways and having to compensate as such with edges and the like...
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Sorry but Dhoni is a flat track bully what have we seen of him in England????
Not a lot iindeed we all have opinions but i suspect as i always have championed Prior is as good as i said as Dhoni in test cricket and i will stick to that
stats alone it hard dhoni on flat wickets for half his games and to say prior has only done it v the windies is slight harsh look at this series Pakistan are no mugs with the ball at all....
Dhoni in one day cricket as a keeper has only one rival Sanga and in truth sanga all day long but in test cricket it is without doubt Prior is his number one competitior as world number 1 keeper/batsman
Firstly Dhoni was outstanding in the 2007 series. Scores two 50's and averaged 50+
Dhoni's streets ahead of Sangakkara in ODI's.
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as what do not tell me dhoni is a better batsman than sanga please and i would say sangga is a better keeper than both dhoni and prior
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Strong Pakistan attack? abdul razzaq is distinctly ordinary, shoaib ahktar took 1/100 in that game and danesh kaneria was affectively nullified by kamran akmal behind the stumps. prior was facing a new quick, who was an unknown quantity, mohammed aamer who continues to be the best quick bowling prospect in world cricket, and mohammed asif at his canniest and most cunning. no, it's not his fault he plays in india, but the amount of flat tracks will undoubtedly inflate averages. He averages 49.41 in asia compared to 32.9 outside, which is a big difference. dhoni's keeping is worse than prior's now, and actually, it should be easier to keep in the subcontinent, if your technique is right as you rise with the ball, so if the ball doesn't rise then neither do you, whereas you have to deal with the swinging ball here, swinging both ways and having to compensate as such with edges and the like...
Quick to point out the drop in Dhoni's average but if you remove Prior's bashing of the Windies then he averages 35.
Prior's keeping decent at best
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as what do not tell me dhoni is a better batsman than sanga please and i would say sangga is a better keeper than both dhoni and prior
Dhoni's ODI batting is better than Sangakkara's proven by their records.
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this is what the forum about good debate with no real anwser only debate...
jeet i like your chat India are a good side with good players including Dhoni
But so are England Prior is up there with the best mate..
ever herd your only as good as your last knock
today prior had one of his best for england no doubt i sure pete hosk who was there can clarify
sangakkara facing the best bowler with a new ball or dhoni clubbing the 5th bowler with the field spread...
never just look at averages but sanga are in diffrent leagues as batsman averages only tell half the story.....
Got to admit though dhoni is a good finisher only one better in world cricket(wind up time)
so today prior is king and in form
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Dave just one question, you claim Dhoni's a flat track bully and Sangakkara is God's gift to wk/batsman, yet of Sangakkara's 23 Test 100's, 19 are scored in Asia. Seems to me that Sangakkara is a flat track bully as well.....
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never said he was not but look at the number of not outs in dhoni odi record...
there diffrent players no doubt but i know which one is a better batsman..
to be honest mate i would swap all 4 cricketers for tendulkar though.........
morgan best finisher in world one day/20 20 cricket??????
only kidding nobody can knock dhoni in one day cricket
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to be honest mate i would swap all 4 cricketers for tendulkar though.........
Finally we agree on something!!!
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Intersting thread and discussions - I think Prior is has become a better keeper than Dhoni and may probably be a better batsman.
But - and this is a biggy... (for me)
Dhoni is a brilliant captain and, I suspect, has far more between his ears than Prior and on that basis in my book would get picked above Prior in all forms of cricket.
Regardless, next summer when India tour England we will really see who is the master - a question for Jeet - Will Dravid even make it?
India seems to be rebuilding while the next 12 months could be a great period for English Cricket (or for those fed on a diet of 1990's English cricket we expect it to go horribly wrong - but are fed thanks to the little voice of hope and the fact that Andy Flower is a very special coach - even Duncan Fletcher is jealous of him, just read the bitterness in his guardian articles and the lack of Eng players in the ICC cricketer of the year nominations).
We will know more today when play gets underway. Pak are well on top and England will have to bowl with patience, control and luck to get back into the game. If England try too hard for wickets they will get carted.
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alec stuart FTW!!!!
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alec stuart FTW!!!!
I assume you are referring to Alec James Stewart, England's finest?
When Stewart was in full flow, there were few who could live with him. Relying on touch, he was in his element against the quicks, cover-driving with a neat flourish and pulling with panache - most memorably when he thundered two centuries during England's storming of fortress Bridgetown in 1993-94.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/thegaffer2.jpg)
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Blimey - that is on old, old photo - loving those Slaz graphics! I had a V12 from the same generation. I didn't realise Stewart was sponsored by Slaz before he was sponsored by Kook before he was sponsored by Slaz again
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it was pretty much the oldest one I could find on Cricinfo, it is from West Indies v England, 1st Test, Jamaica, Feb 25th 1990
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Aren't those the new ayrtek gloves tom?? ;)
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Will Dravid even make it?
Simple answer in no mate.
Truly a wonderful player for India but his on the wane. His eyes seem to be going as well.
If Pujara hasn't replaced him by then I'll cry!!!!
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Good call - he will get picked ahead of Youvraj.
I think Raina is going to be a good player too...
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Good call - he will get picked ahead of Youvraj.
I think Raina is going to be a good player too...
I had my doubts about Raina, issues with the bouncer, but he was excellent vs the Lankans. Raina also proved he's better than the selectors favourites Rohit(rubbish) and Kohli.
Yuvraj's Test career is over...for the time being. He lacks the temperament for Test's
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In this day and age of indoor nets and bowling machines, why do players still have issues with the short ball?
This is a bit of a retorical question, but they clearly just don't work hard enough at it when they are developing. When I was at school (this isn't going to be a rant I promise!) we all used to line up in full kit and have tennis balls thrown at us so we would learn to duck and watch the ball, then bounced at us so we learned to get behind the ball, then we were given a going over with the bowling machine.
That was at an average cricket school 15 years ago... do people not get this kind of practice any more??
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I assume you are referring to Alec James Stewart, England's finest?
When Stewart was in full flow, there were few who could live with him. Relying on touch, he was in his element against the quicks, cover-driving with a neat flourish and pulling with panache - most memorably when he thundered two centuries during England's storming of fortress Bridgetown in 1993-94.
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/thegaffer2.jpg[/url])
spelling fail.. lol
yes mate he was my idol growing up and the main reason i am a weeket keeper tbh!!
grate player!
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spelling fail.. lol
grate player!
I thought he was great rather than grating, personally...;)
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jeet has deeraj jadhav got any chance of breaking into the test side or has he lost his way since the icl....
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I thought he was great rather than grating, personally...;)
>:( :( :D
lol
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Looks like Matt Prior is still using a laminate
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jeet has deeraj jadhav got any chance of breaking into the test side or has he lost his way since the icl....
Very doubtful Dave, he's getting on a bit and he plays for one of the less favoured sides.
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In this day and age of indoor nets and bowling machines, why do players still have issues with the short ball?
This is a bit of a retorical question, but they clearly just don't work hard enough at it when they are developing. When I was at school (this isn't going to be a rant I promise!) we all used to line up in full kit and have tennis balls thrown at us so we would learn to duck and watch the ball, then bounced at us so we learned to get behind the ball, then we were given a going over with the bowling machine.
That was at an average cricket school 15 years ago... do people not get this kind of practice any more??
I'd guess too much cricket, ODI's and T20 events all year round leaves less time to work to technical issues in domestic cricket.
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deehraj is without doubt a quality player i suspect gambhir took his slot at athe time top class player indeed
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deehraj is without doubt a quality player i suspect gambhir took his slot at athe time top class player indeed
Normally if you play for Mumbai, Delhi, Punjab you get a lot more changes to play for the national side.
Never say never though Dave, Gambhir was set to quit cricket before India finally recalled him, so Deehraj may still have a chance.
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I'd guess too much cricket, ODI's and T20 events all year round leaves less time to work to technical issues in domestic cricket.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/473056.html
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I'd guess too much cricket, ODI's and T20 events all year round leaves less time to work to technical issues in domestic cricket.
I think too much partying after matches (as they are required to do after the IPL) and not enough Robin Smith style net practices... (6am after a massive night out, with the bowling machine on 90mph on a table to get more bounce...)
Back on Topic. Finn is a class act and a real talent.
PAK are 2 down.
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Should have been 3! Morgan's dropped a fairly standard chance, went hard but still should have taken it...
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Swannny strikes again......prior with some excellent juggling skills at 50p a drop that one alone has cost him £2.50!
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great catch prior the deflection was big but he did well top drawer
hard catch that big deflection
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it's funny what difference one very good batsman makes to a side. Yousuf has really added some steel to the batting and the rest don't seem to be as nervous.
shame Younis isn't playing.
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Younis was terrible for Surrey this year - I think the Pak's don't need him. MoYo is giving a demonstration of batting your way into form, buy gaining time at the crease without taking risks and letting the guys at the other end play their shots.
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Class always shines through
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Younis was terrible for Surrey this year - I think the Pak's don't need him. MoYo is giving a demonstration of batting your way into form, buy gaining time at the crease without taking risks and letting the guys at the other end play their shots.
Younis is a excellent player, before this tour MoYo hadn't batted in nearly 6 months, Younis is in the same class.
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I can't agree with that mo is better than younis but just my opinion
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not sure I said that MoYo was better than YoKa(!), but just implied that the Pak team don't need 2 old blokes (and said that YoKa was terrible this summer which is true.) - so one is fine and MoYo is doing well.
can any of you do a statsguru thing comparing them... I need to do some work and I would be interested to see the comprises.
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Buzz, Younis is 32, that's not old. MoYo is 36 in 8 days!
MoYo averages more but Younis is very good at 3.
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Jeet -I didn't realise Younis was 32, on that basis is in his absolute prime - as are all those born in the winter of 1977/78 (cough cough), I thought he was about 45 given how he pondered around the oval this Summer, but he has clearly modelled his fielding on my athletic attempts.
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MoYo goes!!
What does Umar have in the tank today...??
100 test wickets for Swann marvellous
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And doesn't it show how ridiculous it was to omit Swann from the original Cricketer of The Year list? Strange that Clive Lloyd has said it was merely an 'oversight' when Duncan Fletcher was on the panel and by all accounts can't stand Swann from his first tour to South Africa?
Or am I looking for a conspiracy theory when it was a genuine mistake?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/8928599.stm
Swanny is on the shortlist! Good news, hope he blo0dy wins it!
Yum Yum, i wonder how that Humblie Pie tastes Mr.Fletcher >:(
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And doesn't it show how ridiculous it was to omit Swann from the original Cricketer of The Year list? Strange that Clive lloyd has said it was merely an 'oversight' when Duncan Fletcher was on the panel and by all accounts can't stand Swann from his first tour to South Africa?
Gus (also on the panel) was berated roundly on this subject last night on the Tuffers cricket show on radio 5 last night by Michael Vaughan and Tuffers - poor Gus was very embarassed.
Fletcher has a massive chip on his shoulder about all things English cricket, especially as the team is now doing so well (generally). Eaowbear - look away - it is there!! ???
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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/8928599.stm[/url]
Swanny is on the shortlist! Good news, hope he blo0dy wins it!
Yum Yum, i wonder how that Humblie Pie tastes Mr.Fletcher >:(
Dout he'll win it Dom, Sehwag for me
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Buzz, Younus was actually born in 1975. He once in his interview said that he is 35 (or 34) as he was born in 1975, hence, his odi jersey says '75'.
In my opinion, Yousuf is more classy and better than Younus regardless what the stats says. Although it doesn't mean Younus is not a class player. Younus is as well but not better than Yousuf in my opinion. Yousuf is one of the few classiest player around the game of cricket. Many people were against Yousuf's comeback and were bashing him by saying he haven't touched cricket bat for 6 or so months but I don't think such thing has anything to do with a sheer class batsman who has potential to score at his will.
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Buzz, Younus was actually born in 1975. He once in his interview said that he is 35 (or 34) as he was born in 1975, hence, his odi jersey says '75'.
In my opinion, Yousuf is more classy and better than Younus regardless what the stats says. Although it doesn't mean Younus is not a class player. Younus is as well but not better than Yousuf in my opinion. Yousuf is one of the few classiest player around the game of cricket. Many people were against Yousuf's comeback and were bashing him by saying he haven't touched cricket bat for 6 or so months but I don't think such thing has anything to do with a sheer class batsman who has potential to score at his will.
Younis 35? Where did he say that?
Cricinfo lists him as 32 and that info is obtained from the national boards, PCB is Younis's case.
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http://khan.bigstarcricket.com/bs/players/khan/about.shtml
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Hmmm.... thats strange. But I would go with Pakistan Cricket Board site and cricinfo which both state him to be born on "November 29, 1977, Mardan, North-West Frontier Province"
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It's quote common in Asia where you have decreased your age to make into national or pre national teams. For instance, Afridi ain't 32 (or whatever his profile says)
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This new lad Azhar Ali was quite impressive today. He impressed me! Got a bit unlucky that he wasn't able to get his madien century.
By the way, anyone closely saw his gloves? They are SS Milliniuem Pro but with Ihsan tags all over. And he got those gloves from Uzi Sports
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did he???
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It's quote common in Asia where you have decreased your age to make into national or pre national teams. For instance, Afridi ain't 32 (or whatever his profile says)
Never seen that happen in India.
Mind you Sachin is 37, but he could easily pass off as 25
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Bad day for the skipper Strauss today! Drop catch and then getting out again to Aamer.
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one or two pakistan pro do this...
there was one who was born day before me but was for some reason 5 years younger
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Dave, yes he did!
Jeet, I am not sure about Sachin but new lads do it so they can make U19 side etc
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any predictions for today's play?
I have my fingers crossed for Cook, but my head isn't confident for him, so may be left for Morgan and Collingwood to make runs for us so that we can really make a game of it... anything more than a lead of 175 and I'll put 50p on an England win. On that basis, we need to score more than 250.
Actually with the return of MoYo, make that 350.
Add to that for a bit of fun - lets have a sweep on how long Anderson (aka the white Lara) will last this morning (err I meant today), done on time. Closest can pat themselves on the back. Just to clarify we will go with the time of the fall of wicket on Cricinfo
I will start with 11:13
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I will give him a couple of overs so reckon the new Lara will last until 11.07!
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i think he'll last til 11:24! I'm just going for it!!!
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12:10
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How about saturday 4:30 ;)?
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Pep's are you suggesting the White Lara will make 300... brilliant!! Leo - nice confidence. I assume you aren't near the rather cloudy oval today!!
PeteHosk - if you are out there today, how was your day at the oval, or do you have a slightly achy head from the nasty cheap lager...?
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2nd over of the day - 11:09
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11:17 I reckon.
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Could he last longer than Cook? ;)
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11:11
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Could he last longer than Cook? ;)
Almost certainly, Cook is on strike! :(
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2nd over after lunch ;)
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Did I just hear right on TMS that Anderson, sorry the new Lara, has played the shot of the match through extra off Asif for 4???? And I said 11.07, what a fool! Keep the faith...
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then Anderson unleashes an immaculate cover-driven four, as if he momentarily thinks he's David Gower. A single takes him to 12, while Cook dabs a single to fine leg to reduce the deficit to 40.
The BBC, really just haven't got it. Anderson is the White Lara.
Anderson is out 11.39
I make Pep's the winner...
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Woohoo pat on the back for me!!
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Cooking with gas. That's his best shot yet, striding out to meet Amir's latest delivery and cream a cover drive away for four. Gower purrs appreciatively, and Holding points out that Cook doesn't bother walking down the wicket to punch gloves or any such nonsense, but simply turns and takes his place in the crease. "He is in his own zone," says Holding.
I like the old punching gloves nonsense - plus it originated in the Windies... But who am I to ague with the very great and most reviered "The Bowling's" Holding...
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Shot of the day that was. Glorious cover drive. When Cook is driving the ball well you know he's found some confidence. Deserved his 50, worked really hard this innings for it.
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Sounds similar to the 'last chance saloon' Strauss/Collingwood knocks when their places were under the upmost scrutiny so hats off to Cook
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Hopefully he can kick on like they did after the last chance saloon
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Ton up! Can he make it to 150??!!!
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Nice shot to reach his ton!
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Form is temporary, class is permanent comes to mind.
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Top innings from Alistair Cook, well done!
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Eng floating up the creak at the moment... 8 down.
Well bowled to the chucker
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Chucker strikes again!
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Err why is he being calle a "chucker"? Mind you ICC have cleared him and his elbow bends below 15 Degrees
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Fairplay to Pakistan, after all the crap they have been through Id love to seem them nick it tommorow.
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pakistan played well, but my money is still on england!!!!
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Start delayed due to rain this morning - but here goes the final installment of the test series for this summer. Both teams will be unchanged from the Oval. If you are going, I hope you packed a thermos of tea and your waterproofs!
"The umpires are monitoring the light, and the outfield is still wet," confirms an ECB spokesperson.
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They said on sky that the outfield is dry just a little drizzle around
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I think even if the rain stops they'll struggle to get on this morning. It's pretty dark everywhere.
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That drop was worse than my TWO Saturday
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They said on sky that the outfield is dry just a little drizzle around
I don't think wet outfield would be an issue ever because Lords drainage system is just THE best in the world
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Didn't say that they forked out £1.3M for that drainage system?
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Yes alot of money buy prob worth it in long run as more cricket can be played
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Yes - they did say £1.2M for the drainage and £2.4M for the lights!
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2.4 mil on lights and they don't even use them :@ Just think it's very silly going off in conditions like that, full crowd in etc and only seeing half a days play maximum! Older way i.e discussing with the batsmen seems to be the better option, as it means we get more play generally. Trott is seeing it like a beach ball, if given the option would he have walked off...
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The problem is they are using the lights causing shadows! As bumble said, the sun causes shadows!
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tbh batsmen always seem to walk off! unless they are chasing a target!
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Nothing to do with them any more purely the umpires now which was suppose to keep teams out
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Absolute shambles, this could only happen in England and at Lords as well!
A few years ago I forked out a small fortune on flights, hotels and tickets to watch India vs England at Lords and spent hours waiting for the team to continue playing.There were too many stoppages and then the obligatory 30 min wait for a restart.I was amazed how many people left the ground having shelled out £75 for 2 full hours play in the day.There was total disregard for the spectators and players and they were more interested in the Rules of Play.
Its completely laughable how the paying public get screwed all the time in England and nothing gets done about it.
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anyone think alister cook will get on todat
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Cheers guys!
I am not in England nor I have seen any match but do they refund if it rains throughout the day or half of the day?
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Cooks gone, third ball of the day - what's peoples predictions for the rest of todays play then???
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England all out for 230
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pietersen must be dropped!!!
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pietersen must be dropped!!!
as much as i dont like comments like this, im starting to think it might be for the best.
if only the pakistanis would drop him in the slips!
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Colly now in. Im watching online at work, so i have no sound. How many times have Sky called him "Brigadier Block" already?
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pietersen must be dropped!!!
That is a horrific idea, on that basis do you think Strauss should get dropped too, his series average is worse than KP's? Anyone can get out first ball, espcially in these condictions.
I am not sure Eng will make 150, 220 is a good score today... sunny this weekend so we could be in real trouble.
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Colly now gone! Maybe Ponting had a point about batting collapses
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Oh Crap
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Trott looking good out there
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That is a horrific idea, on that basis do you think Strauss should get dropped too, his series average is worse than KP's? Anyone can get out first ball, espcially in these condictions.
I am not sure Eng will make 150, 220 is a good score today... sunny this weekend so we could be in real trouble.
Good point. Strauss, Cook (bar his ton in the last game), Colly and KP are all in the same boat. I find it hard to distinguish one from the other batting average/performance wise this series. I bet Ian Bell is loving this
Big knock for Morgan, no time like the present to prove you can dig in and play a test match innings
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ohh no
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Deep poo now
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knee deep!
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I'll take the blame for that, think i cursed the lad!
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From reading the BBC text commentary, it sounds like some pretty special bowling going on - though Pieterson sonds like he was trying to be a bit to aggressive first ball - Cook and Colly sound like they've been done by good'uns
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KP played at a wide one across his body, didnt seem to do a great deal.
Colly and Cook both had good balls to be fair
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I think I may lock this topic so we can have no more "commentators cursing"
saying things like "Prior has been our best batsman this summer" is totally banned
oh.
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Does anyone watch 'How I met your mother' on E4?
"There's no such thing as a jinx"
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Ben Dirs describes Morgan's dismissal as "an absolute huckleberry of a delivery"
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Prior was almost gone as well. I think it was out. But you have appreciate the lads honesty
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I would like for us to be out for 60 or so and quickly.
Then get Pakistan in, as I want to see if it's the conditions that are making such a difference?
That way, if Pakistan are bowled out cheaply too, then we will at least know that the conditions are doing alot of the damage! But if Pakistan bat well through the conditions, then (as expected) it will be cos Engalnd are batting like a bunch of &#%$s!!
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I think Morgans delievery was a good as well. Was quite identical to Cooks
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Wow what a jaffer by Asif. Prior had no clue
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Swann must be dropped, his batting is horrendous ;)
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What a fantastic knock by Trott. After the South Africa series I must admit I wasn't convinced but without him this summer we would have been in a whole heap of trouble more often than not. Hats off!
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He has batted really well, and scored at a good rate. Broad has supported him well too
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I really hope Broad gets his ton! He's deserved it
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yeh would be good to see him reach the triple figures....his batting has improved to reflect him reaching his top test score now
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i bet broad gets out on 96 or 97
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im thinking 104 for him then out
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come on boys get behind your fellow countrymen!!!! 136 ;)
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Good on Broad to get there...though why Riaz came on to bowl, I just don't know.
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Me neither...and the Pakistan bowling is pretty high standard, sometimes brilliant. Their batting a bit hit and miss, but sometimes very good. But their fielding........... :(
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Good on Broad to get there...though why Riaz came on to bowl, I just don't know.
amir was tired after 6 tests in 8 weeks?
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At Lord's today. What an innings by Trott and Broad. Did anyone notice the standing ovation Broad got once he got his 1st ton? Never heard anything as loud and long!!
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Good knock by the boys, Glad to be mates with broadys cousins ;)
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Great that different people are getting runs at different times eg Morgans ton kp 80 cook Ton and this game but would be great if two or three could combine more often but at least broady's dad can't hold it over him that at least he has scored a test hundred for England any more lol
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blowers has just referred to a pak player as 'umar actimel' - the old goat really seems to be losing grasp of what's going on...
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Blowers is a legent though!
And when he strays off and loses his grip, it's even funnier! :D
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Broad and Anderson have both struck early 9 for 2!
But now Pakistan have their two best batsmen in.....Butt and MoYo!
Talking about putting the pressure on the captain and the veteran! But am seriously impressed with MoYo!
And still think that Younis Khan also being shipped in to strengthen the batting would have been a decent shout!
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Crumbs - Broad is absolutely on fire!!
Not only hitting 169 with the bat, but now getting the very classy dangerman MoYo for a duck!
Jeez - will be interesting to see if they manage to make a stand without him!
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Swanny and Finn are chipping in too!
This is looking very familiar, but with England an upper order batsman stayed in to steady the ship.
The question is, will Pakistan find a couple of batsmen to help avoid the follow on? ???
Crumbs....with yesterday and today, who said that Test cricket's not as entertaining these days!!??
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Yes, it was a great display of how entertaining Test Cricket can be!
As for Pakistan, can't see them avoiding the follow-on, no chance!
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I'm with you there!
If they do avoid the follow on, then good on 'em!
It'll be a tough task but Broad showed that you can bat if you stay patient and get in first! Mind you,m Broad was dropped and rode his luck on a few occasions! :o
The batsmen seem to be having problems watching the ball out of Finn's hand! May have something to do with him being extra tall!? At this rate, they'll need to start having taller side screens!!
I was in the middle of typing the fact that Akmal has a great opportunity to dig them out of the doodoo, when half way through the sentence, he goes and gets out!
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Pakistan all out now, Follow on Enforced, They are a shocking team at the moment when it does not go their way.
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They just seem really unstable!
Shame cos I still think they need 3 things to make them a classy side.....
1. Younis Khan is to strengthen the batting with experience! One classy veteran is not enough. This seems to give confidence to the rest of the younger batsmen!
2. Catch practice!! And lots of it!
3. Fielding practice!!
On the plus side, their bowling is looking excellent! In particular Asif looks great considering he only bowls at 80mph (80 being pretty slow at this level - but just shows how effectively he bowls!) and what an awesome prospect Amir is at only 18!!! He looks the real deal for sure! 8)
The other bowlers are decent enough too, although not in the same class as Amir and Asif.
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I agree their bowlers are very good, Ajmal you must wonder how it has only taken him unto the age of 31 to starting to get regular cricket for pakistan, He looks very good,
The Batting line up needs to be supported, Yousuf and Khan are needed, Azhar Ali looks good, But Farhat and Hameed look weak
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You have to question Hameed's mental attitude when he comes down the track at Broad when they are following on! ???
I did think Umar looked a good young batting prospect against the Aussies. But he has been a little too aggresive against the England bowling attack! If he were taken under MoYo's wing and taught when to play aggresive shots and when not to, then he may turn out to be a class player!
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And how is it that it's always the tail enders who have these bats I've never heard of!
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I agree their bowlers are very good, Ajmal you must wonder how it has only taken him unto the age of 31 to starting to get regular cricket for pakistan, He looks very good,
Suppose because danish kaneria has been playing instead of him?
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You have to question Hameed's mental attitude when he comes down the track at Broad when they are following on! ???
I did think Umar looked a good young batting prospect against the Aussies. But he has been a little too aggresive against the England bowling attack! If he were taken under MoYo's wing and taught when to play aggresive shots and when not to, then he may turn out to be a class player!
Actually Umar is a good young prospect but I believe there are few off field activities which are pulling him down.
When Umar made his debut under MoYo's captaincy against NZ and Australia he was by far one of the best batsman at that time and wa one of the one on who the team was dependent. As you said it did help him in that series as most of the time he was at the crease with MoYo
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Ajmal and Saqlain both are of same ages. Saqlain is/was better than Ajmal, hence, he didn't get chance. Later Kaneria was best spinner for Pakistan so it was quite difficult to fit him in the playing XI.
Another thing I must say is that both Asif and Amir néed immediate rest as they have played 6 consective test matches and have bowled 20-30 overs in each inning. The injury could be career treathing as well. Pakistan had overbowled with Mohammad Zahid (Who Shoaib Akhtar himself admitted is "yards quicker than me"). So let's hope Amir gets some rest over the next few weeks. Asif will most likely as Gul or Razzaq will replace him for ODIs plus he won't be playing against Saffers in Oct/Nov
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Its a shame as pakistan COULD be a great team. If only they good sort out the problems.
-salman butt isnt a great captain and will take a long time to learn
-catching and fielding is absolute awful!
-of course off field troubles with not playing in pakistan, y.khan etc
- small problems like umar gul and his no balls
- young players like a.ali and umar akmal struggling although ali batted well last test but I suppose its good experiene for them but its not helping the team in the current situation.
- hameed only in the team for his slip catching which is a real shame as he cant bat!
Also on the umar akmal debate , when there is no pressure on him he is a wonderful player.When he goes out and just plays for e.g at essex he hit danish for three massive sixes and destroyed us. Also look out for Shahzaib Hasan, young man he can really bat!
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And how is it that it's always the tail enders who have these bats I've never heard of!
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Pakistan suspected match fixing on no balls, currently on BBC news
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Some were pretty big
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solly sports do very nice palms on there gloves a few lads round yours johnny use them
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Yep, looks pretty conclusive. With Amir bowling those 2 huge no balls as predicted.
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News of the world has a recorded video of a man detailing when the no balls will happen, then during play it happens amir with 2 asif with 1 as well
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quelle surprise...
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/924349/Cricket-in-the-dock-as-we-expose-betting-scandal-England-Pakistan-Test.html
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Good spot Tom if all true could ruin slot of careers me thinks
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agreed - if that reports even 60 % true there would be serious problems 4 the pakistan team , wouldnt surprise me if it was all 100 % true , i feel for the pakistan fans tho whatever the cricket scandal is there team always seems to be rite in the middle :(
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It is sick, how they want to ruin the gentlemans sport just for there gain
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If proved to be true got to be at least life time bans which could decimate the Pakistan side for a while but got to be proven in a court of law first
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How incredibly pathetic if the revelations are true.
I was quietly pleased that they won the last Test as it meant the world to the Pakistani fans after all the crap their country has been through recently. >:(
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It would be absolutely DISGRACEFUL is these allegations came out to be true. Looking at that News of the World article, looks pretty believable. Also if you look at Amir's first no-ball in the 3rd over from sideon, Salman Butt is looking in the direction of the wicket... is this a sign?
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More allegations:
The team were to throw 2 Pakistan vs England ODI's
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/924628/Majeed-revealed-he-was-plotting-for-Pakistan-to-lose-TWO-of-the-One-Day-Internationals.html
Fixed Australia vs Pakistan Test Match (No huge suprise)
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/924793/We-made-830k-when-Pakistan-collapsed-in-the-Aussie-match.html
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Utterly disgraceful. I don't know how they can even consider doing it. NOTW isn't a favourite paper of mine by any stretch of the imagination, but damn they know how to expose people! First John Higgins, then Fergie (ex-wife of Prince Andrew), now this! It's once again a blot on the landscape for cricketers, nobody wants this in the game...
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its a disgrace and yet again pakistan are to blame,there fans are so passionate and deserve far more than this
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makes you wonder how far the cookie crumbles it ok just blaming the Pakistan team i wonder how many in truth around the world have taken a bung or two.
infact sometimes i wonder if it only club cricket and pub football is the only true spirit left in the games....
were there is fast money there is greed were there greed there corruption
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i have a feeling there is pressure put on some of the young pakistan players but its still no excuse,
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Pressure they over pampared so called stars do not understand the word pressure.....at all
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Your right buddy i would love that pressure playing international cricket
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On a slightly different note...did anyone notice the ear pads and screws in Saeed Ajmal's Masuri were coloured, and differently so on either side? Is this something that has been done specially for him only? Or is there somewhere you can buy the ear pads and screws in different colours?
Also, Umar Akmal suddenly seems to have come to life with his batting, now that there is no pressure on it...
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And another note...........did anyone else notice Beefy's eye? Very bloodshot indeed!
Looked as though he'd been on the booze all night! Maybe he decided to raid the minibar?
Or maybe he has just been working too many hours? :-[
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yes you can get the coloured pads and screws from australia
to be honest about corruption i suspect if you looked proffesional sports would resemble wrestling with many thing already sorted before the game has been played and that includes many sports football,rugby,cricket,, any sport were there hugh sums of money to be made in fact
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Pakistan should give all the guilty parties life bans. The only stuff like this can be removed from cricket. But seeing how weak the PCB is, that will never happen.
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It is a great shame for Broady, To havee to lose his name on honours and his record breaking stand with trott all because they want some money :(
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I think the Pakistan players should receive a ban of 3-5 years as when they dish out life bans that is normally a month or so, not sure the icc will have the bottle to get involved but this need dealt with once and for all. This is something Pakistan need to remove from there team once and for all if they don't i certainly wont respect them or the team. I can see a big carpet at the ready though !!
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I genuinely hope that there will be more revelations over the next few days and everything will be out in the open.For many years similar sitautions have been covered up by the Indian,Pakistan and Australia Cricket Boards amongst others.After the Hansie Cronje incident betting has actually reached a much bigger scale and there is much more money involved.Its such a shame for all the cricket fans around the world.
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It is a great shame for Broady, To havee to lose his name on honours and his record breaking stand with trott all because they want some money :(
Where's the proof for this? As far as I know, there is nothing to do with the outcome of the match involved in the spot-fixing, as spot-fixing is exactly that, betting on fixed "spots" or moments in the match, of no real significance...
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I think the news of the world have entrapped two or three very young, experienced cricketers, who know they have no money and no real way of making any, especially given the situations back in Pakistan and were nieve enough to think this was an easy way out.
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Not entirely surprised at this, but, like many i expect more to come out.
Anyone see Butt's press conference after the game? When pressed to state they were false, he struggled.
I'm still amazed that people bet on no-balls!
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I'm still amazed that people bet on no-balls!
If it's fixed, they know what going to happening, their never going to lose!
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good point, but if its not fixed it just seems mental to me.
i reckon KP was being paid to get out cheaply all summer, that must be the reason :)
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It is all pretty ugly, but salman butt was pretty aggressive in his denile. Plus we must not forget that sky is owned by the same group as the news of the world. The two big winners from this are... Sky and the news of the world.
I feel very sorry for the pakistani team.
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Surely none of this has come as a surprise, the bowling of a few no balls is the least of their problems, suspicion has long been held that they lose matches on demand for bribes. With such a huge turnover of players and comparative lack of money in the game coupled with a state run administrative system it will only be a matter of time before this all blew up.
"Greed is good" according to Gordon Gecko but it will always stain those who chase "easy" money and how long is a life ban in Pakistan???
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good point, but if its not fixed it just seems mental to me.
i reckon KP was being paid to get out cheaply all summer, that must be the reason :)
haha i love that
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Just to add to this - FYI according to the Times today - Afridi is a leading earner and he is only on £25K (average England Salery is £120K)
edit - FYI - Amir is a category B player in Pakistan, and his monthly retainer works out to £1,300
If these guys get offered say £50K it is not surprising they are tempted.
Once again it seriously begs the question as to what on earth are the Pak Administrators doing with their ICC handouts...
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Once again it seriously begs the question as to what on earth are the Pak Administrators doing with their ICC handouts...
Probably buying their retirement homes and setting up their pensions.
Everyone knows the PCB is the most corrupt board in the world.
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Pakistani players are also very unattractive to sponsors because of past controversy. Pakistan captain you could become his kit supplier for 2% of the alleged money paid to the India captain by Reebok. An England bowler costs similar money to the Pakistan skipper.
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This picture is brilliant...
So boss, is there anything in the paper today?...
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do you think he was looking at Chloe, 19 from Colchester?
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maybe, i imagine that chloe has 'no balls' anyway
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i bought that paper at reading and was quite disappointed that there was no female from anywhere to calm me down after reading the front page >:( :D
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Very interesting tweet from KP just now....
"Yep.. Done for rest of summer!! Man of the World Cup T20 and dropped from the T20 side too.. Its a (No Swearing Please) up!! Surrey have signed me for l ..."
Sounds like he's been dropped from the T20 squad, and has signed for surrey.... Wonder if its real
EDIT: its been removed now, damn twitter!
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KP needs time in the middle and it is good news for Surrey, I think - this isn't a surprise
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Having put that on twitter with the foul language, im sure this wont do him any favours. The young U-19 spinner got done for exactly the same thing!
Might see what odds the bookies offer of KP not going to AUS!
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If he isnt selected for England then he can go play in the Champions League i would have thought?
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NOOOOO! if surrey have actually signed him im gonna cry (No Swearing Please) chris (No Swearing Please) adams!
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Might just be until the end of the season. But if he does go and play in the CL, he'd play 1 game for them? Hardly seems worth it
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Tweet that was removed - http://twitpic.com/2jxr0o (http://twitpic.com/2jxr0o)
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damn it, the bit thats cut off is the bit im most interested in >:(
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He has signed for Surrey, no-one wants him for next year though!
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Is this the beginning of the end for KP? He's talked about the damage to his moral and mental state recently, add this into an already frosty relationship with the ECB, might he just walk away from playing for England?
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Is this the beginning of the end for KP? He's talked about the damage to his moral and mental state recently, add this into an already frosty relationship with the ECB, might he just walk away from playing for England?
No he needs to win the Ashes in Australia at least once before he can quit. He will realise he needs the rest and needs the time at the crease and will be a better player for it, he is going to be really hungry when he returns.
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True, plus there is a the World Cup next year i'd imagine he'd like on his CV.
Will be interesting to see how the ECB react to this though
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As you say, the foul mouthed rant from the U19 spinner was dealt with promptly (wasn't he banned for a month?) so let's see what the ECB do about this...
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this rather kills the spot betting issue... lots of words and hubris, no evidence... http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/475246.html
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Cannot believe he has been dropped! Sure, he not in the greatest form, but KP is our best limited overs batsman over the years.
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Squads announced - http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-series/england,311832,EN.html (http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-series/england,311832,EN.html)
Nice to see Davies getting a chance, although i find the Kieswetter sidelining a bit odd. Good old England, doing their best to ruin another young mans confidence
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Twenty20 Squad first......
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They did say that Kieswetter should make the team in his own right as a batsman!?
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And the ODI squad.....
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no suprises in there as suggested on Sky by nick knight etc that there maybe a few new additions to the squad....seems were sticking with the tried and tested method and no wild-cards have been entered as such!
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I don't understand 2 keepers at all for the T20, nor dropping Kieswetter for the ODI, plus it looks light on batting, I think the late season matches tend to favour the bowlers and surely a stronger batting line up will be required.
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The ODI squad looks as if it should be strong enough in the batting....but the T20 does look light!?
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are they now classifying Broady as a genuine all-rounder??
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Very light on batting and no Prior. comedy.
Davies has had a good year, but not as good as Prior, I ahve no idea why Kieswetter is picked as a specialist batter.
madness.
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personally, i dont like the tendency to go with its and bits all rounders, such as bresnan and broad, also i think that jos buttler is a better pure batting option than kieswetter, yes kieswetter is a better keeper, but hes not been chosen as a keeper so i think that buttler is a much better option
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I can understand them changing keeper and giving Davies a try as he's on superb form.
But I tend to agree with the opinion here, that if you're playing Davies, then why play Kieswetter as well?
I would give Adams from Hampshire a go....I am biased as it's my place of birth....but the guy is on awesome form!
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Pete, how he has been given a chance is a joke the lad looks a cracking player in great form but as always he may get a chance when he is struggling or a few of the current players ain't scoring he will get chucked in at the deep end for the odd game here or there.
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I agree with the prior comment. If you arent picking kieswetter to keep then for me Prior gets in as a keeper/batsmen. I would say this makes Davies almost odds on to go to Aus as Priors understudy.
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The trouble with T20 is it is so hit and miss, and therefore the player selection can be as well. It only takes one player to have a great spell with the bat or ball to win the match, maybe with Lumb injured and KP rested they are looking to shore up the squad with an eye on the ODI World Cup.
I hate seeing players lauded and then dumped in a short space of time and since we are talking 7 months since he qualified for England would it not make sense to give Kieswetter a longer run in the ODI format.
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Always amazes me why the English selectors are so bold and brave in recent times?.Kieswetter is totally hit and miss, just qualified for England,had a few good scores yet is now selected purely as a batsman. Morgan played a few good knocks and is now a fully fledged Test match batsman?
I can see him being just 3 innings away from being dropped.
Maybe the new England is simply blessed with an abundance of talent which is a good problem to have.Caps are given away too easily these days, I prefer the old fashioned approach of proving yourself in county cricket over a few years and earning your place through hard graft and consistent scores.
Think of the quality of the Aussies that cant get into the team and yet give it 110% in their domestic league which is way ahead of county cricket in terms of competitiveness.Having said that England will win the Ashes all day long :)
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I hate seeing players lauded and then dumped in a short space of time and since we are talking 7 months since he qualified for England would it not make sense to give Kieswetter a longer run in the ODI format.
Completely agree, thought the ECB had moved on from this kind of selection policy
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From Ian O'Brien... in response to the Pak match fixing enquiry...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200514767672&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_607wt_1139
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The three players have been officially charged by the icc under the anti corruption law although they are saying will be investigated further but have now charged them so should be fun to see the pcb's response to this
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The three players have been officially charged by the icc under the anti corruption law although they are saying will be investigated further but have now charged them so should be fun to see the pcb's response to this
Life bans must be dished out.
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and they MUST be actual life bans, none of this life = a month bans!
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That was pcb back tracking with bans I doubt icc will back track if found guilty
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yeah good, the pcb is a joke! Wonder what will happen to the guy in the video? majeed is it?
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We don't know they are guilty yet - The News of the World has a history of setting people up (just ask a certain former England Rugby Captain...)
Plus life bans are far to harsh given the offence - I believe that this is on a par with drug cheeting, therefore a 2 year ban should be the maximum
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Not much I think as the charge against him was defrauding book makers but the book makers are not in uk so could get complicated
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gambling is illegal in pakistan anyway isnt it??
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Yes - but that is because it is against Muslim law - just like gambling is banned in the middle east and in parts of India.
But since when has that stopped people.
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No i just meant what will he be convicted for, as book makers dont exist over there? or will he be charged for something by our country?
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Yes - but that is because it is against Muslim law - just like gambling is banned in the middle east and in parts of India.
But since when has that stopped people.
Sports betting is banned in India, nothing to do with Muslim Law, India's a Hindu country.
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what about pakistan? :S
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what about pakistan? :S
all forms of gambling is banned in pakistan
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Was watching the T20 match and most of the top order have the Boomboom bats.
But noticed that there is still the normal tell-tale of the sticky plaster hiding the true make of the bat possibly?
Would this of been a CA bat? ???
Or am I doing them a injustice?
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/BoomBoom01.jpg)
AND THE TELL-TALE PLASTER!
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/BoomBoom02.jpg)
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I would think so mate...seems to be a fair few previous sticker marks on the bat from other stickers which have since been removed!!
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Crumbs...Pakistan need to concentrate if they're gonna recover from this start!!!!
22 for 4 after 5 overs, and Alfridi been and gone too! :(
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They'll be fine, they've got fawad alam to come! ;)
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Pete, is it not more likely to be a SS the CA stamp is smaller and square where as TON is a little more rectangular? Despite this why doesn't he just get it sanded off?
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Pete, is it not more likely to be a SS the CA stamp is smaller and square where as TON is a little more rectangular? Despite this why doesn't he just get it sanded off?
I think it is a CA because he looks like he used to be sponsored by them, his helmet still has the CA sticker on the back
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Greg - Not sure why he doesn't get it sanded off. And if it were an SS, then it is either TON or SS on the side. Plus there is a TON across the bottom rear of the bat, and there was nothing covered up there.....so I though it may be a CA?
Rob - in all seriousness, I think that Umar Akmal is a danger and looks an awesome prospect! IF he stays in then they should get a decent score! He just needs to keep his head!
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i agree with pete ;) (brownie points)
but i think that most pakistan players would use a pakistani bat make, i.e. ca, malik, ihsan etc.
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Rob - in all seriousness, I think that Umar Akmal is a danger and looks an awesome prospect! IF he stays in then they should get a decent score! He just needs to keep his head!
He didn't keep his head, and now they've lost fawad!!! :o
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Shambles....if I was a paying member of the already small crowd I wouldn't feel as though my hard earned cash was getting me value for money from my ticket!
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Pakistan are better than this - granted that the English bowling attack is pretty decent these days!!
But the Pakistan batting is all over the place! :(
They need to sort themselves out quickly, otherwise they will continue to fall apart!
It's quite sad when you look at their batting card, and know that they do have some very decent quality batsmen who are clueless at the moment! And the worst thing is that they all seem to be clueless at the same time!
They do have a lot on their minds but they need to concentrate on cricket when they go out to bat or their fans will desert them in droves!
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OK - the latest installment of the contests between Eng and Pak starts today.
This time a 10:15 start for an ODI at the Riverside stadium in Durham.
What sort of an idiot schedules a 5 match one day series in September with games starting at 10:15am - what it effectively means is that whoever wins the toss will bowl first and probably win the match - Actually to make it a better contest, maybe Eng should be made to bat first in the first 3 matches...
The start will be delayed this morning due to a wet outfield.
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Strauss' six was a friggin' awesome shot!
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Steven Davies is awesome!
Must be because he play's for Surrey!
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Jeet - what a curse!!!
WICKET! Davies 87 c K Akmal b Ajmal (England 152-2)
ggrrrr - but he is a decent player!
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What bat is Bopara using? Didn't think GM put red toe guards on their bats
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Take a bow Umar! Bullet Arm!
Actually, how good is Akmals keeping when he trys?!...
Seems pretty handy anyway, comparing
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Lol dropped catch
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Yeah spoke too soon! Went sharpish! Ravi with some big hitting at the end, 274 looks waaay out of reach of a fragile looking Pakistan at the moment. I'll back them to make 170 odd all out
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I'm going 123 all out
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400 - I am not sure they will make that many.
I am going for 92
Bresnan will run through them.
Not sure why I think it will be the burly yorkie, but I suspect it will nip around a bit...
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Irfan pictured is rumoured to be 6ft 10, although Wiki says he is 6ft 7. I am willing to put money on the fact he's actually taller.... :D
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/henrymagic14/_49054955_irfan.jpg)
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I imagine that photo was taken before he went round the park and suffered from 'severe cramp'!he's huuuuge!
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Pak openers are doing really well - game on at the Riverside...
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what a curse!! was that mean?? ???
The terrible PAK stash is being slated on the radio - big innings for Mo-Yo
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Swann is the man so glad he has come on the way he has as shown you have not got to have a doosra or be a mystery spinner to get wickets just good and intelligent attacking bowling
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Did anyone see that ESPN is free viewing until Monday?
So sports viewing weekend for anyone interested!
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Fawad Alam's been playing just down the road from me at Woodhall Spa in the Lincs ECB, 7 innings, 456 runs at 76 with 1 ton and 5 50s, 25 wickets at 11, economy of 2.8, 3 5fers and an S/R of 24! He's been running riot, can't say the practice paid off in the t20s, hope it does for him here!
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Was good to see Pakistan put up a better fight today!
Did anyone notice that Strauss was using the new Grey Nicolls today?
I am sure it was mentioned in another topic somewhere, but maybe he uses the pink stickered bat for ODIs?
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/StraussBat.jpg)
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pete next time, can u get the frame of the telly in like they do on youtube? ;)
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Will try golders! ;)
So with Pakistan starting to look like a better unit and pushing England in the last ODI, does anyone have any predictions for tomorrows 3rd ODI?
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My prediction is that I will be there watching it... :D
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England win by 30 runs or 4 wickets depends what we do first
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Gutted someone offered me tickets but I cant make it :(
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Pakistan won the toss AGAIN!!! They must a lucky coin! ;)
Akmal was REALLY unlucky!!
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best get skyplayer on at work :)
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Looked at Asad Shafiq's bat and it looked like there was a line running down the edge like a laminate. Not accusing him of anything but......
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Lol Afridi's gone!
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I tell you what, with Akmal's thigh pad onto the stumps, and now this dismissal where it comes off Afridi's bat for the run out, Pakistan are not having a lot of luck!!
Two very unlucky dismissals which you wouldn't normally see! :(
But it's never over until both teams have batted I guess!
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Akmal was unlucky, Afridi was lazy
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What a stupid run out on Afridi's account, just get yourself in and then worry about everything else...
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He was a bit! So he only has himself to blame!
Would be nice if we could have the luxury of winning the ODI series this early.......
It's supposed to be a decent wicket so hopefully we'll chase it down comfortably! ???
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Look at his second run, he basically strolls it - absolutely diabolical for an international cricketer.
Looking forward to the run chase though with Strauss and Davies opening.
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England do bat very deep these days! Swanny at 10? He's a very good ODI batsman!
I think Pakistan need to set 290-300 unless England batting collapses!
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England do bat very deep these days! Swanny at 10? He's a very good ODI batsman!
I think Pakistan need to set 290-300 unless England batting collapses!
Pete I don'y buy this batting depth theory. If your top 5-6 get skittled for say 40 odd, then you can't hope your tailenders will bail you out. Bresnan Swann, Broad are OK if you chasing 20 runs off 20 balls, but 150 off 20 overs would be out of reach
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You say that, but when England were in dire straights and Trott was the only guy batting well. And Broad rescued the innings then! So they need the ability! If that had of been Monty, then game over! >:(
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I wouldn't say 150 off 20 is out of reach of the lower order
the likes of Swann, Broad, Bresnan, Wright/Bopara can hold a bat and have scored some good runs in the past - I'm sure they'll have to do something of the sort in the World Cup...
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Never discount the importance of a lower order who can bat always helps as long as they are in the team for their main string ie a good enough bowler not just because they can bat a bit aswell
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Never discount the importance of a lower order who can bat always helps as long as they are in the team for their main string ie a good enough bowler not just because they can bat a bit aswell
I'm not discounting it.
You say that, but when England were in dire straights and Trott was the only guy batting well. And Broad rescued the innings then! So they need the ability! If that had of been Monty, then game over! >:(
It was vs Bangladesh, sides like India, SA, Aus wouldn't allow hat to happen
I wouldn't say 150 off 20 is out of reach of the lower order
the likes of Swann, Broad, Bresnan, Wright/Bopara can hold a bat and have scored some good runs in the past - I'm sure they'll have to do something of the sort in the World Cup...
Once the rate gets that high, the pressure mounts. There's a reason why these guys bat at 7-10....
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Whatever happens, Pakistan will have to bowl really well!
Score is liklely to be 250-270 on a batting wicket which has been averaging 285-290!
So anything is possible assuming the bowlers come to the party!!
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Whatever happens, Pakistan will have to bowl really well!
Score is liklely to be 250-270 on a batting wicket which has been averaging 285-290!
So anything is possible assuming the bowlers come to the party!!
Doubt it Pete, if Pakistan win this I'll be in a state of shock.
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Well it's tense now!! Pete, Strauss has Bern using that bat in all shortform cricket this summer: there have been lots of pictures of him with it in nets etc..
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We will see if the extra " all rounders " work then
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close finish but should get over the line...i hope!
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its in pakistans hands now :/
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Poo cakes is along the right lines but I still believe
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Swanny FTW!!!!
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Yeah, if he stays in and wright does were good, as thisis gild last over..
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Big poo cakes
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what is swann doing?!
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Grrrr!!
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Cmon the goose
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making it even more interesting now!!
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Oh dear, I take it this is where England have their blip and the Pakistan team look good for one game, normal service to be resumed next match?
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Gul bowled magnificently, I think only 3 English batsman got themselves out: Morgan, Swann and Anderson, top effort by Pakistan....
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Pakistan are one of those who on their day can beat anyone just don't turn up often enough
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Twas some ball to Trott
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our middle order looks so weak without KP
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Pakistan are one of those who on their day can beat anyone just don't turn up often enough
A bit unfair I think. They're missing 3 key players, due to their own fault, but Pak are a very good side in the coloured clothes.
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Not harsh really as it's always been the case from what I have seen world beaters on min other times just not at the races can't understand it with the vast amount if talent in the squad of they were consistent would be winning alot more games due to the talent and ability
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Not harsh really as it's always been the case from what I have seen world beaters on min other times just not at the races can't understand it with the vast amount if talent in the squad of they were consistent would be winning alot more games due to the talent and ability
Until the last 15 years, Pak where one of the dominate forces in ODI cricket.
More recently, several different controversies has destroyed Pak.
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To be fair we didn't really bat as well as we can or bowl in a similar fashion. Deserved what we got as a result. The crowd on the west side were more interested in the the Pint pot passing than the cricket for most of England's batting...
Wasn't a great match to be at TBH.
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Yeah true tim, nothing like some of the great odis eg the 438 game!
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We didn't fire! And looked only half up for it!
But credit where credit's due....Gull looked on excellent form!
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Gul bowled really well, but I stand by the comment that we didn't bat well. Having said that, I'm not sure it was a typical Oval pitch as the Pakistanis found it hard batting too. Gull's ball to get Strauss was an absolute stonker that most batsmen would've had trouble with...
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surely not again.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/pakistan/9011427.stm
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surely not again.... [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/pakistan/9011427.stm[/url]
LOL
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Unbelieveable if it's true, especially as afridi is tge more genuine of their skippers...
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hahahhaha your joking right johan?
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Yeah it was sarcasm, but anyone is more genuine than butt tbh.
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good... nah, afridi would have been worse than butt given the chance
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Yeah afridi is more of a genuine cheat, like biting the ball, scuffing the pitch with his boots etc. He's not interested in money, just cheating the oppo
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Yeah. Well it's Not even funny now, if they were cheating, I think the country should be banned for 2 years or so...
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Yeah. Well it's Not even funny now, if they were cheating, I think the country should be banned for 2 years or so...
no their ICC member status should revoked
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/9014448.stm
Will be glad when the tour is over...
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12341_6389950,00.html
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Any see shoaib just 95.4 mph fair play off his so called shorter run up
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strauss looks in great nick
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Until that...
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NO BALL it's all ok
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I know, but it was a bad shot...
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Umar Gul bowling at 93mph........really? I think the speed gun is in a generous mood today!
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I reckon it'll say ajmal bowls at 75!
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Strauss very lucky there
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Biased umpiring?
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Lucky fifty for Strauss
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Nahh it did pitch outside leg; Strauss played well, but was lucky I admit....
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ANother exciting match by Pakistan wh onow have squared the series.
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get KP back in that team... the middle order is soooo weak!
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Agreed! I think someone should replace Yardy. Doesn't fit well in the team
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Wonderful game of cricket.
Razzaq's onslaught was amazing. Gul seems to have rediscovered himself.
Looking forward to a cracking series finale.
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Agreed! I think someone should replace Yardy. Doesn't fit well in the team
Yardy is one dimensional and has minimal talent.
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Abdul Razzaq gets well deserved MOM award. His batting was surely a threat to watch
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Akhtar also bowled brillantly considering the situation he was in.
Gul I would say is the best swing bowler in ODI and T20s.
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As far as Yardy goes, I think he hasn't showed the potential he did when at sussex
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County is much different to International areana mate. Bell scored a century in CB40 final and today he failed.
In counties Yasir Arafat is great to but when it comes to international arean he isn't that great I would say.
Lets see what English media accuse Pakistan tomorrow after this loss
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England middle order is shocking at the moment, but I will be interested to see how the 5th odi turns out at the rose bowl..
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As far as Yardy goes, I think he hasn't showed the potential he did when at sussex
He's domestic OD stats aren't very special. 102 wickets at 38.5. Econ close to 5.
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im on the topic of his batting...
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Great match, I really enjoyed it
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HIS batting isn't great in international cricket, but they're giving him a fair go good on the selectors for that.
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im on the topic of his batting...
2893 runs @ 23.90
pretty ordinary.
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Great match and the better team won IMO you can't expect to score 6rpo off gul the way he is bowling need to come up with a plan to get the rate down earlier me thinks
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Great match and the better team won IMO you can't expect to score 6rpo off gul the way he is bowling need to come up with a plan to get the rate down earlier me thinks
strauss and davies were going at 7+ at one point.
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Then all the momentum went like that.
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Davies playing of spin wasn't very good. He could get some pointers from Ramps and Thorpe.
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England finally being shown up for their lack of world class players, rip out that top 5 and theres not much to come.
Yardy and Bresnan never gonna set the world alight with bat or ball - average players who wouldnt get a look in for the best teams in the world like Aus/India/S.Af
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strauss and davies were going at 7+ at one point.
Yes was a great start but what happened in the middle without a wright type batsmen all the pressure is on Morgan to do what razzaq did and to do that off gul is very difficult we needed to carry on at that rate and get the rate in the last 10-15 at 5rpo or less as pak are experts at death bowling in gul and shoaib
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How about we make it easy for ourselves? Win the toss and bat first so we aren't chasing under lights? In English conditions, with the amount of moisture in the air, Gul and Akhtar reverse swinging it will be difficult for any batsman.....
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England finally being shown up for their lack of world class players, rip out that top 5 and theres not much to come.
Yardy and Bresnan never gonna set the world alight with bat or ball - average players who wouldnt get a look in for the best teams in the world like Aus/India/S.Af
I hate to pull you up on this mate, but how do you explain James Hopes? Mr bits and pieces himself! And Ravi Jadeja, not good enough with either bat or ball in the shorter form. Fair enough with SA though, they're not a side to do bits and pieces players!
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Yardy is not international level batsman or bowler, strauss doesn't even have faith in his bowling, you can tell. What's he there for?
Bresnan will come through i reckon, he's had good patches, will only be more consistent with experience.
And finally...... WHAT A HITTER RAZZAQ IS, ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS CLASS.
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Bresnan will come through i reckon, he's had good patches, will only be more consistent with experience.
Only time he has been any good was vs Bangladesh. All the top sides smash him around
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maybe i'm missing something here - but what is so good about bresnan? isnt ajmal shazad a more attacking option? He looks like a very poor mans hoggard who cant swing the ball.
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Bresnan is poor.
My favourite piece of journalism from this season. Atherton, "young Tamim Iqbal made Bresnan look like a jobbing trundler in the Bradford League."
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must say that IMO bresnan doesn't add anything to the team.
We need to have a more balanced team here, and I think that with a top 5 of Strauss, Davies ( on a trial period, although he is doing well atm) , trott, pietersen and bell, followed by a lower middle order of Collingwood Morgan and Broad, with the back 3 being Swann Anderson and a.n.other pace bowler, whoever you think is the man for the job?
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must say that IMO bresnan doesn't add anything to the team.
We need to have a more balanced team here, and I think that with a top 5 of Strauss, Davies ( on a trial period, although he is doing well atm) , trott, pietersen and bell, followed by a lower middle order of Collingwood Morgan and Broad, with the back 3 being Swann Anderson and a.n.other pace bowler, whoever you think is the man for the job?
Morgan at 7? I wouldn't have both Trott and Collingwood
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I would, after spending a day in double IGCSE physics, you have much time to mull over the imprtant decisions in life, such as the English middle order.
At the end of the day, ODI is different to test in that you don't need to take a set number of wickets to win the match. NAd it's been our middle order and batting in general that has let us down recently.
Also, even with Morgan at 7, we have the bowling line up of, Swann Anderson Broad, a.n.other pace or spinner, surface dependent and situation dependent, alond with Collingwood and Trott who both bowl.
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At this moment in time, looking at form, I would 'rest' Collingwood!
The guy is so much out of form, it's unreal!!!!! I would play Bopara who is in form! Bopara can bowl as well as Colly, so have him instead and see if Colly can get himself sorted! The way he has batted lately, he has been diabolical! I know everyone goes through bad patches, but everytime he starts batting, he looks like such an easy target! >:(
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well i was heavily criticised in aother topic for dropping colly in my team, and now its a bad call to keep him,
there are arguments for both, but i always felt bopara was going to be class, he has this aura about hom
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Colly is in bad form yes, but he was great last time in aus so I think if he can get some runs in the warm up games he's a cert! As for bresnan I have never rated him, much prefer luke wright, although he needs to strenghen his bowling!
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can we win today to secure the series...dont think we want to be chasing under the lights again!!!
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How does swann keep getting a wicket in his 1st over it's ridiculos surely just try to play out his 1st over with a rep like that
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good game good game from the chinny spinner!
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Still I do feel sorry for kamran that was a shocker lol trust an arsenal fan
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Billy doctrove has already cost Pakistan a match in this series and now it seems ian gould is going to do the same. Its a shame, if it wasnt for the umpiring howlers in this series by billy doctove, Pakistan would have wrapped up the series. Did anyone see the wide doctrove gave in the 1st over? the guy is blind and incompetent! and no wonder he was being booed by the Pakistan supporters in the presentation.
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Billy doctrove has already cost Pakistan a match in this series and now it seems ian gould is going to do the same. Its a shame, if it wasnt for the umpiring howlers in this series by billy doctove, Pakistan would have wrapped up the series. Did anyone see the wide doctrove gave in the 1st over? the guy is blind and incompetent! and no wonder he was being booed by the Pakistan supporters in the presentation.
take it your a pakistan fan?
To say they;d have wrapped up the series is dubious!
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old man beardy now gone with no help from the umpires, just quality bowling...
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Brilliant bowling from Swann. Best spin bowler in world cricket at the moment.
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who has a fiver on swann to get a hattrick?
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I highly doubt pak would've wrapped up the series granted umps not been kind to pak but they were soundly beaten in 1st 2 games and we the same in the next 2 it's just been a good series in my eyes does not need to be marred by blaming umps etc
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You do have to blame the umpires. The decisions have been shocking. Doesn't matter the fact that it has been against Pakistan. Cricket needs to be more fair and the review system should be brought into ODI cricket too to get rid of those howlers!
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Oooo ma gold gone!
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Outstanding run out
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All done, good match and no threw it, well except Morgan who hit the stumps
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Well NAsser Hussain also said that Pakistan got shocking decisions and got wrong decisions. So problem is there with umpires and URDS should be introduced in ODIs as well.
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yes ijaz butt, we were paid to WIN that game , big 2 fingers up to him :)
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Does the ECB now get the point that matches under lights in September are mostly pointless and the side that bats first generally wins?
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Must say England deserved to win after the Irishman's knock.
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Must say England deserved to win after the Irishman's knock.
Cheap shot
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Yes, but is such a big win a deliberate result, or did Morgan bat well and Swann bowl well? Earlier goings on in the summer leave you with a seed of doubt, don't they!
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yes ijaz butt, we were paid to WIN that game , big 2 fingers up to him :)
lmfao
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And controversial tours ends. Don't know why allegations come out right when Pakistan is in winning position. I must say credit goes to English media who does it soo well :)
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Must say England deserved to win after the Irishman's knock.
who Owen Morgan Smith?
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Cheap shot
i have the south african aspect to back me up if needed! ;)
and norbs, is that meant to be funny?
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Still a cheap shot only one saffer in today thank you
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Umpiring has been pathetic all series. If decision review system was used the series result would have been more fair. And Pakistan might have won the 2nd odi if Strauss's caught behind was referred to 3rd umpire. ICC definitely need to remove billy frm Pakistans matches because he has cost Pakistan lot of matches and a test series I remember against WI.
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And controversial tours ends. Don't know why allegations come out right when Pakistan is in winning position.
There has been other controversial tours ??? who was involved in the last one?
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and norbs, is that meant to be funny?
Yes I am a comedy genius
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There has been other controversial tours ??? who was involved in the last one?
In 2006 Pakistan was FALSELY accused of ball tempering which was proved that Pakistan were CLEAN!
Inzamam was too good that he forgave Hair :)
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How was it proved as result was reversed but then reversed back I thought so last I heard it went down as a forfeit?
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How was it proved as result was reversed but then reversed back I thought so last I heard it went down as a forfeit?
I think it ended as a draw. But talking about ball tempering allegations they were proved to be wrong.
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In 2006 Pakistan was FALSELY accused of ball tempering which was proved that Pakistan were CLEAN!
Inzamam was too good that he forgave Hair :)
^go and chew on a cricket ball ...^
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In 2006 Pakistan was FALSELY accused of ball tempering which was proved that Pakistan were CLEAN!
Inzamam was too good that he forgave Hair :)
Did he bite it to smell it or something?
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Actually enough from me - great last 2 games in the ODI
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It was turned into a draw by icc but then turned back to a forfeit as ecb kicked off
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Funny how you guys react that you don't know anything. Weren't Pakistan falsely accused of ball tempering in 2006?
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Funny how you guys react that you don't know anything. Weren't Pakistan falsely accused of ball tempering in 2006?
Why the need to bring it up again?
ICC did change the result, but MCC changed it back. Therefore England won 3-0 in 2006.
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Can't wait for the Ashes. :)
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Same old story for me poor Pakistan other nations have been charged for ball tampering still remember athertons one just we get on with it and don't wine
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I think any piece of journalism from the Daily Mail needs to be questioned. Here is the link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1314414/Shoaib-Akhtar-caught-camera-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1314414/Shoaib-Akhtar-caught-camera-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html)
Dont think there is much in it to be honest. Im sure if you took stills of every cricketer shining the ball you could claim something dodgy is going on. Plus the pic they have zoomed in on, is quite clearly a different picture (check the location of his whites string and the position of his thumb). I think this is just a publicity grab for readers/visits to their site
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Stories like this are just trying to fuel the fire IMO....the series is over we came out ontop now lets put it to bed and look forward to the Ashes :D
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Was there yesterday and was a really volatile atmosphere especially whenever Trott fielded on the boundary edge with the applause deafening out the cat calls! Morgan was again fantastic and his cricketing brain is quite awesome while Colly's catch was worth the entry fee alone!
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It was good to see the mid order firing, even though Englands top order let us down for once.
IMO, the ODI series was the most entertaining series! The T20 was a little one sided, and the Test was reasonable.
But the ODI was swinging one way then the other. England recovered well to take the series in the end, but it was competitive!
But Pakistan had a few positives to take away with them! I think that Amir with with the ball, and Umar with the bat looked particularly promising....and (assuming Amir is cleared ok) they will prove to be very dangerous players in the future.
Also positive for Pakistan is the depth of players they have - when Butt & co were flown home, they still put together some decent replacements for the ODIs. I still would have drafted in Younis Khan to bat alongside Mo-Yo to give the batting line up a better mix of experience to encourage the younger players! though!
But you can never estimate how the teams have fully done until you see how they perform against other opposition. So am looking forward to the next lot of matches England and Pakistan play! So looking forward to Pakistan playing South Africa and New Zealand! I just hope that the Butt & Co situation is resolved by then!
And hope that England perform better down under this time! :(
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I wonder whether the ICC have been waiting for the series to finish to make a further announcement about the 3 suspended players, seems like thay've had a fair bit of time to make their minds up one way or another
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If they lose Amir, that would be an immense loss to Pakistan!
I'd even go as far as saying that he has the potential to be the number 1 bowler on the planet within the next couple of years, assuming he doesn't get banned of course!
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ive read that they were offering him a plea bargain, grass the other two up and only receive a fine or short ban. Cant see that happening though to be honest
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1314414/Shoaib-Akhtar-caught-camera-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html
please not again :(
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Player tries to lift the seam but isn't quite surreptitious enough. Shock. Not.
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I hope it isn't as deliberate as it looks. I like Akhtar because I think he's an amazing bowler. It's a shame this summer has been so controversial.
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Those daily mail pics are farcical. The zoomed in image isnt even of the same photo as the large version
They should stick to intimidating ethnic minorities rather than trying to be serious about sport!
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ive read that they were offering him a plea bargain, grass the other two up and only receive a fine or short ban. Cant see that happening though to be honest
Pak government has said there will be no plea bargains.
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If they lose Amir, that would be an immense loss to Pakistan!
I'd even go as far as saying that he has the potential to be the number 1 bowler on the planet within the next couple of years, assuming he doesn't get banned of course!
entirely agree
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NOTW, The Sun & Daily mail are shameless. So shocked by thier disgusting campaign especially The Sun coverage in the back pages today. They have sunk to new depths - and I thought I had seen everything in the last 25 years.
I am the last person to use the race card but today's coverage is surley crossing the line as they bashed every Pak player - even thier personal features such as Fawads teeth.
NOTW destroyed the career of a simple man Hameed and dailymail done utmost to put down Shoaib Akhtars last performance and denigrated Pakistan and its fans in many ways that your large following of "hollow" like minded readers have lapped up.
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If they lose Amir, that would be an immense loss to Pakistan!
I'd even go as far as saying that he has the potential to be the number 1 bowler on the planet within the next couple of years, assuming he doesn't get banned of course!
Yes you are right but Pakistan has always produced great fast bowlers so hopefully Pakistan will get another one like him or better.
Apart from Amir another great bowler is Asif. I read somewhere that they won't get any charges by Scotland Yard and the upper police (I don't know it's name). So the only people who can fine or do any action is ICC.
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Thats correct CD.
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Those daily mail pics are farcical. The zoomed in image isnt even of the same photo as the large version
They should stick to intimidating ethnic minorities rather than trying to be serious about sport!
I once said to someone that I wouldn't wipe my backside with the Daily Mail - he replied with 'the Daily Mail is the sort of paper you wipe your ar5e with - and more (No Swearing Please) comes off than when you started with!'
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If the UKIP and other far right parties made newspapers, they'd probably be a lot like the Daily Mail.
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Trott in Trouble....again?
Every Pakistanis favourite paper seems to think he abused a fan on the third test match.
JONATHAN TROTT faces an ECB investigation after being accused of verbally abusing a fan.
The controversial England batsman was involved in an ugly spat with a male spectator while fielding on the boundary on day four of the third Test against Pakistan at the Oval.
Trott snapped after being mocked for his slow scoring rate the previous day, labelling the spectator "a f****** p***k" in front of hundreds of shocked witnesses.
One fan said: "A well-to-do bloke in the crowd shouted out sarcastically, 'Trott, well batted yesterday. Kept me entertained all day'!"
Two balls later, Trott, who hit 36 from 130 balls in a losing cause, stared at the fan and screamed: "Hey, four eyes! Have you ever batted out here? Then shut the f*** up then!"
Trott is then alleged to have turned his back on the stunned crowd and loudly muttered: "You f****** p***k".
Trott's extraordinary outburst is sure to infuriate England's management and raises further doubts over his temperament ahead of the Ashes.
Last week he escaped with a rap on the knuckles from the match referee after almost coming to blows with Pakistan fast bowler Wahab Riaz in the nets at Lord's. Riaz is threatening to sue the 30-year-old for allegedly calling him "a match fixer".
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The story has came out quite late( if true) but Trott really does have a big mouth for such an average player.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/spor...ing-a-fan.html
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Average player? Mate, I don't know what you're missing. His debut test? 40 in the first innings, the only way he looked like he was gonna get out was run out, by some outstanding fielding, and a ton in the second innings. He averages 55 in tests and 48 in ODIs, and mid 40s in domestic cricket. The guy is an outstanding cricketer! He's not the greatest at keeping out of trouble though, he needs to watch that, but at least he isn't gonna back down!
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The story has came out quite late( if true) but Trott really does have a big mouth for such an average player.
Sorry - average in comparison to who? In comparison to Sachin, Lara, etc!
His averages are up with almost anyones, so I think calling him average is perhaps a little silly?
Annoying batsman, ok - will give you that one. But average? ???
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and he least he has some balls...
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Trott is class!
And he will need a bit of fight in australia this winter.
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Always a fan of Trott, good to see the bears doing well for the national side. All we need now is for a Bear to hit a ton at Edgbaston, never been done :(
But Trott has balls and I think he will excel down under :)
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Personally I think he is limited in shot making ability to become a high-class player. He will need to adapt otherwise teams will soon work him out that he plays most shots to the leg side. Although I accept that he scored runs for England when it mattered most. If Eng players are taking minor chants or words from a handful of fans in a series they won, then how will they handle the legendary abuse & comedic sledging of the Aus fans?? The Aussies will have a field day - I reckon he might even cry
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As it hasn't been proved and no action has been taken, i think Pakistan suppourters are on incredibly thin ice.
Not sure why, but something about their test match CAPTAIN and 2 of their fast bowlers being formally suspended by the ICC might have something to do with it.
Oh and aswell, the chairman of the PCB being sued by the ECB.
All in all a great thank you from Pakistan for us kindly letting you use our grounds this summer :)
I'm sure we won't be seeing you for at least another 10 years :)
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Personally i think he needs to ignore things like fan abuse and get back to his game. When i watched the highlights of the 5th ODI it showed him walking out and he looked really aggressive, like he wanted someone to start something with him whereas ive always felt he was never very "confrontational" as it were whenever ive seen him before :)
Still its from the NOTW, probably only 2% of the story isnt complete boolocks...
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The English tabloids are well known to kick their own teams and players, as long as their isn't any Pakistanis around that is. Just look at what they do with the footballers. If the English team get a couple of early losses in Australia.....than the notw will show their true colours
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Now that Pak are long gone home...the scummy tabloids will focus its attention on to destabilising their football & cricket teams chances wherever they go.
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Sorry - average in comparison to who? In comparison to Sachin, Lara, etc!
His averages are up with almost anyones, so I think calling him average is perhaps a little silly?
Annoying batsman, ok - will give you that one. But average? ???
Tendulkar, Lara etc have played over 100 Tests, we'll wait and see what Trott averages after he's played 50 Tests.
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I actually do think that Trott is average when comparing him to Sachin and Lara, but then who isn't!!!
The point I was trying to make was that Trott is ONLY average in comparison to the best! When you compare him to everyone else, then he is far from average.
Time will tell how well he'll be doing in a year or two though!
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u dont have to be naturally gifted. ... . .and have lots of flair. . .to be a great.
look at someone like steve waugh. .. .he is one of my favourite.
i think trott is a limited batsman . . . . .but plays within his bubble....the aussies will certainly try to put him through the psychological mincer. . . .lets see how he copes.
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Without Trott this summer we would have been in so much more trouble than we already were and his temperament was one of the major reasons behind this. While all the other batsmen were falling at Lords he just got on with batting, playing what he wanted to play and leaving anything he could. He has really impressed me this season and hope his form continues this winter as the Aussies are sure to try and give him the hurry up. However, being a Warwickshire Bear I'm sure he can cope! ;)
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As it hasn't been proved and no action has been taken, i think Pakistan suppourters are on incredibly thin ice.
Not sure why, but something about their test match CAPTAIN and 2 of their fast bowlers being formally suspended by the ICC might have something to do with it.
Oh and aswell, the chairman of the PCB being sued by the ECB.
All in all a great thank you from Pakistan for us kindly letting you use our grounds this summer :)
I'm sure we won't be seeing you for at least another 10 years :)
Nothing has so far been proven, infact, Mazhar Majeed has been allowed to continue his usual role at his football club by the concerned sports body. What i read was that Scotland Yard actually were follow him for money laundering through his football club and alleged spot fixing came form the news paper. I am still waiting for the damning evidence from the tabloid that the video was not filmed after day 1 had concluded. There probably is nothing to prove it. I don't think that Scotland Yard or ICC or PCB would be able to prove. If anyone is guilty, without substantial evidence a ban may not come though the players involved may be dropped for a long time to come from the team.
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Facts are different to accusations and prosecutions, the fact that no benefit in monetary terms was gained by the bowling of the no balls in the UK means that no criminal charges can be brought. So it makes no odds if they bowled them on purpose or not in the eyes of the law, so the fact that the police will not be taking action does not prove the players innocence.
As for the stupid counter claim of the fix being recorded the day after the police and ICC were sent full transcripts of the video before the start of the days play. The balls were bowled as per the recording and the ICC has the proof of this.
It is also well known that gambling is not legal in Pakistan yet it goes on, the sting on the illegal bookies will not be reported and so proof of this is not likely to be given to the authorities by those breaking the law.
Long term problems resulting from sub continent gambling has been around for quite some time, coupled with the odd results recorded by Pakistan and previous accusations and prosecutions of players and former players have been long known and allowed to be swept under the carpet. Do we expect anything more than another round of this now? I think not, judge the future by the actions of the past.
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Found this video clip of Shoaib bowling rapidly against Ponting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ycl4X7ptk
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And found that the England team have all just returned from Germany for their pre-Ashes bonding trip...
http://www.cricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/content/current/story/479098.html