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Title: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: golders on November 16, 2010, 09:52:11 PM


Is this being shown on Sky?
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Post by: PM7 on November 16, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12943,00.html
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Post by: Liam-SCCC on November 16, 2010, 09:54:41 PM
Yes, coverage starts at 11pm on SS1

i am warming up with hong kong sixes on SS3!
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Post by: Alvaro on November 16, 2010, 09:55:28 PM
hope you remembered the kleenex ;)
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Post by: jandgcricket on November 16, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
I'll give it to 1am.  Thanks.
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Post by: Jeet on November 16, 2010, 10:32:33 PM
HOpefully Australia A bat 1st, want to see Phillip Hughes bat and Tremlett and the Montster bowl!
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Post by: Simmy on November 16, 2010, 10:36:10 PM
ill watch it for an hour or so i think! :D
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: 19reading87 on November 16, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
I want to watch it but my bed is calling!! :(
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Post by: mdl_1979 on November 17, 2010, 12:43:20 AM
48-3.  Really good start from England.  Shahzad and Bresnan in particular looking excellent.
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Post by: 400notout on November 17, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
4 down, Cowan gone. Monty has just pulled off an amazing catch!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: mdl_1979 on November 17, 2010, 01:05:35 AM
What a ripper Monty.  One handed diving to his right.  Terrific stuff.  Pitch not doing as much as the commentators are making out.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: 400notout on November 17, 2010, 01:15:24 AM
pitch is doing loads, what game are you watching?! credit to england they've asked the question and bowled well but its a bowlers paradise! 5 down, captain white gone.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: mdl_1979 on November 17, 2010, 01:28:02 AM
There's a little bit of swing, a little bit of seam movement, but it's pretty slow.  Wouldn't call it a bowler's paradise by any means.  Bowlers are just hitting some very good areas.
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Post by: FreeHit on November 17, 2010, 02:03:43 AM
Saw bit of this match at the start in HD.

Is this being shown on Sky?
Yes its been shown on sky sports 1 SD and also available in HD.
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Post by: kenbriooo on November 17, 2010, 07:07:37 AM
Just seen Montys catch, you think he has been buddied with Colly? Also love the alternative views on how the pitch is playing
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Post by: Riddy on November 17, 2010, 07:34:47 AM
well done tremlett!!!
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Post by: mattwhitfield17 on November 17, 2010, 07:40:58 AM
Where can you watch highlights?
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Post by: Canners on November 17, 2010, 08:34:19 AM

was a great catch but im sure we'l see better during the course of the series........
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Post by: Tumo on November 17, 2010, 10:49:37 AM
Quality catch! These commentators are morons. Shahzad bowled seaming deliveries, Mark Nicholas decided they were off and leg cutters. Idiot.
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Post by: mattw on November 17, 2010, 12:44:37 PM
Where can you watch highlights?


I don't have sky (as they usually show highlights), however highlights of most cricket matches on tv are on here - http://www.cricketonlinetv.com/ (http://www.cricketonlinetv.com/)
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Post by: Liam-SCCC on November 17, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
I love the aussie ignite gear that khawaja was using, the pads looked very nice. Any UK equivalent?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Liam-SCCC on November 17, 2010, 02:30:30 PM
I managed to last until around 3am this morning, drifted of a couple times.

Montys catch was unreal!
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Post by: Alvaro on November 17, 2010, 03:26:09 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfnvzz_monty-s-catch_sport
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Post by: Simmy on November 17, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
very nice catch! best ive seen tho was collingwoods
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Post by: Alvaro on November 17, 2010, 03:32:07 PM
I think it's just the fact it's Monty, who seems to have caught more than a cold for once.
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Post by: Buzz on November 17, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
Just seen this - even the Aussie Brewery's think we will win the Ashes...
Free beer for every Aussie if Ashes are won

History imbues the Ashes with the sort of significance that goes beyond words. Pride, adulation and a place in cricketing folklore await great Ashes performances but VB Beer have added a further incentive for Australia. Under the "Shout the nation" commitment, if Australia win back the urn from England over the next two months, free coupons for the beer will be printed in newspapers at the conclusion of the final Test on January 8. Feeding 13 million Aussies a free beer would cost the company AUS$20 million at retail prices which makes this seem more like a bet against the hosts than a patriotic promise but if Ricky Ponting is celebrating at the end of the series it could be quite an after party.
http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/thebuzz/archives/2010/11/pontings_men_get_spiritual_inc.php
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 17, 2010, 10:49:36 PM
Contemplating a 3-4 hour session tonight, got myself a couple of cans and with no work untill 2pm tomorrow afternoon I may aswell make the most out of the televised cricket! Also got to rearrange my sleeping pattern in preparation for the next 2 months!
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Post by: 400notout on November 17, 2010, 11:00:54 PM
I reckon there was more movement in the first 2 hours than i have seen in an international deck all year. not taking away from the bowlers at all. but white, kawaja, hughes, ferguson all got balls that nibbled around! Hope england can make something of it tonight!
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Post by: 19reading87 on November 17, 2010, 11:02:46 PM
I reckon there was more movement in the first 2 hours than i have seen in an international deck all year. not taking away from the bowlers at all. but white, kawaja, hughes, ferguson all got balls that nibbled around! Hope england can make something of it tonight!

Ferguson shouldn't have been given out really, top ball but bad umpiring...
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:05:21 PM
so who is stopping up i'm with ian a few cans and a decent stint due to day off tommorrow
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 17, 2010, 11:07:11 PM
so who is stopping up i'm with ian a few cans and a decent stint due to day off tommorrow

Sounds good roco, shame about the F***ing rain!!!
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Sounds good roco, shame about the F***ing rain!!!

great british weather i think lo all seems better with a few beers i'm sure you would agree
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 17, 2010, 11:10:20 PM
True... Hopefully they'll show some decent highlights or something!
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:11:47 PM
that or more of athers talking lol
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 17, 2010, 11:12:57 PM
Haha, looks like it's clearing up a bit so fingers crossed!
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
covers off lets go
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 17, 2010, 11:14:25 PM
WOOOO!!
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:16:22 PM
hoping kp gets in and dominates plus after picking up trotts bat at gm he should get runs with it
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Post by: johnnyw on November 17, 2010, 11:35:22 PM
Does anyone know how long the start is delayed for?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:37:14 PM
start at 1150 our time
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Post by: johnnyw on November 17, 2010, 11:38:42 PM
Thanks mate. Was following on cricinfo but watching sky now
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 17, 2010, 11:39:04 PM
Well impressed they are showing the tour game.

Still up then Roco mate? do you know what time tee off is next weds night then? I know coverage starts at 11pm
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:41:05 PM
Still up then Roco mate? do you know what time tee off is next weds night then? I know coverage starts at 11pm

prob 1130 and of course still up cheek not that old yet
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 17, 2010, 11:44:50 PM
Only kiddin fella. Lovin that the convicts have been getting no runs and the press are turning on them. How Hussey is still in that team I have no idea
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Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:45:53 PM
past record unless you are something special ie kp you rarely get a debut in an ashes series
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 17, 2010, 11:49:31 PM
That was my arguement for Morgan starting. But this is a whole other conversation as we know.

Rob Key was right in saying that if this wasn't the Ashes, he would be on the scrap heap by now
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:50:20 PM
hell yeah but the ashes are something else
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 17, 2010, 11:54:12 PM
I'm all for Hussey being included. Easy target if you ask me. Can't see the Aussie spirit of old where they dig in and grind it out. I think the technical term is 'f*ucked'
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 17, 2010, 11:56:28 PM
their time as no.1 has gone the great great wi fell and now have th aussies as the worlds best
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 12:05:46 AM
god damn its a little rain it doen't hurt just start we as club cricketers play in it
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 18, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
What a catch from Monty that was!!

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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 18, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
I reckon Monty's on for a big'un here.........
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Post by: mdl_1979 on November 18, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
McKay overpitches.  Monty larrups him over mid off.  Beautiful!
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Post by: ianbuchanan on November 18, 2010, 01:16:15 AM
Haha, Panesar is looking in unbelievable touch compared to Cookie!
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Post by: mdl_1979 on November 18, 2010, 08:05:30 AM
Cor - anybody else pull an all nighter?  Knackered now, and work is gonna be a bit tricky today, but was a fascinating day's cricket.  Trott looked in great touch, but was very late on a pull shot - was a massive no ball though that the umpire missed.  Cook struggled a little early doors but was looking in fine fettle by the time he tried to dance down the wicket at O'Keefe.  KP was the one enormous letdown of the day, failing to deal with a slow left arm bowler once again.

Terrific partnership from Bell and Colly through the afternoon though.  Bell in particular looked in brilliant form.  He would appear to have made absolutely sure that there's no chance of Steve Smith playing in the Test series.  This could be a massive series form him.
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 18, 2010, 09:10:55 AM
I only made it to 4am then had to retire knackered. Pleased for Belly though, looks a different class from 2005. Hope he keeps it together. Him and Colly need to perform in this series. Morgan is knocking on their doors. Then again, KP's is getting a bit of a hammering
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
Terrific partnership from Bell and Colly through the afternoon though.  Bell in particular looked in brilliant form.  He would appear to have made absolutely sure that there's no chance of Steve Smith playing in the Test series.  This could be a massive series form him.
Big series for Bell in terms of what? He was found out by the Australian dream team and he couldn't find an answer as to how to deal with them? Now he's trying to bash a mediocre Australian side? Bell is an average player at best.
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Post by: peplow on November 18, 2010, 01:00:53 PM
jeet you love the arguements!!
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
jeet you love the arguements!!
No I like keeping things in perspective!
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Post by: mdl_1979 on November 18, 2010, 01:26:35 PM
A lot of players were found out by McGrath and Warne.  There is no shame in that.  Bell is a very different player from the one that played the 2005 series.  Don't forget that he scored 4 50s in the 2006/7 series.  He just needs to kick on and turn those starts into hundreds, a feat which he is entirely capable of. 

I think he will be the leading scorer on either side in the upcoming series.
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Post by: Howzat on November 18, 2010, 01:43:06 PM
Anyone else having an Ashes party next saturday!?
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Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
Big series for Bell in terms of what? He was found out by the Australian dream team and he couldn't find an answer as to how to deal with them? Now he's trying to bash a mediocre Australian side? Bell is an average player at best.

I strongly disagree.
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 06:26:33 PM
A lot of players were found out by McGrath and Warne.  There is no shame in that.  Bell is a very different player from the one that played the 2005 series.  Don't forget that he scored 4 50s in the 2006/7 series.  He just needs to kick on and turn those starts into hundreds, a feat which he is entirely capable of. 

I think he will be the leading scorer on either side in the upcoming series.
Whether he's leading run score or not, the achievement wouldn't be as special against the current Australian side, like it would've been vs McGrath, Warne, Lee etc. The pinnacle of a players career is to master the best, Bell failed to do this twice, 2005 and 2007-08.
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Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
You can only beat what put in front of you
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 06:36:12 PM
You can only beat what put in front of you
Didn't know England had won anything yet....
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Post by: mattwhitfield17 on November 18, 2010, 06:36:47 PM
Sorry to but in here, But because Bell diden't perform in 2 series, that makes him a bad player? there are a lot of players who diden't perform against Mcgrath and Warne, they were both World class Bowlers!
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 06:37:47 PM
Sorry to but in here, But because Bell diden't perform in 2 series, that makes him a bad player? there are a lot of players who diden't perform against Mcgrath and Warne, they were both World class Bowlers!
Most players give 100% against the best, Bell crashed and burnt, he was spineless
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Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 06:40:45 PM
I strongly disagree.

I completely agree with that: I disagree with what you said too, Jeet. Bell is a class player; some of his innings have Been of top quality and great maturity (eg. 40 over final for Warwickshire (107), and vs. Bangladesh (128) over the summer!)
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Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 06:42:49 PM
He was weak mentally but stronger now still a very classy player

Plus never said the won anything being a bit defensive aren't we only saying yes beating a team including warne & McGrath is an achievement bit an ashes win is still sweet no matter who is in the team
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Post by: mattwhitfield17 on November 18, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
Most players give 100% against the best, Bell crashed and burnt, he was spineless

I just dont think you can judge a player based on Two series..form is temporary, class is permanent..i think bell will shine in this Ashes.
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Post by: Johng on November 18, 2010, 07:27:41 PM
Hi All,

I am Australian and impartial to the two sides playing, I like to think.

But I do look forward to a good spanking from England as this will give Australian cricket the good shake up it needs which, is long overdue.

The Australian side that will play this Ashes series is ordinary at best and if England can not win the series they will need to take a good long hard look at themselves.

But I feel this England side is a good side, but not that good, it is just that the Australian side is so ordinary that makes England seem better than what they are.

Bell is a good bat and so is Trott but remember what they will be facing!! A pretty ordinary Australian attack.

England to win the Ashes 3-1 but do not under estimate an ordinary Australian side on home soil!!

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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 08:02:04 PM
I completely agree with that: I disagree with what you said too, Jeet. Bell is a class player; some of his innings have Been of top quality and great maturity (eg. 40 over final for Warwickshire (107), and vs. Bangladesh (128) over the summer!)
So by scoring runs vs Bangladesh that makes you a class player? Jason Gillespie must be one of the best batsmen ever then :o
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Post by: golders on November 18, 2010, 08:04:01 PM
I think this is bell's last chance to show england followers he is the player we all hope he would become- he needs to make a big impact on a big series. If he fails, he will go down as a decent player who flattered to deceive.
Personally I'd love to see him have a blinder, score two tons, and start pushing that average up towards fifty. Come on Sherminator!
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 18, 2010, 08:04:33 PM
Johng you have a point mate. Yes its ours to loose however some seem to forget that this is Australia away. Hard place to go. However, I still think we will hammer them.

I for one hope Bell does a good job and justifies the endless opportunities he has been given over the years. You can't help feeling that this is his last chance.
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Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 08:19:14 PM
So by scoring runs vs Bangladesh that makes you a class player? Jason Gillespie must be one of the best batsmen ever then :o

No. You are not thinking about the context of the game and intense determination he had in that knock- England were In a shocking position at that time and ge dug them out of it. He has performed at test level, though I concede he hasn't been as prolific against Australia, but then again not that many people are..however I shall leave you to your opinions- as people have said 'form is temporary, class is permanent': all I'm expressing are my opinions though. (which are shared by others too.)

:D
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Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 08:35:39 PM
No. You are not thinking about the context of the game and intense determination he had in that knock- England were In a shocking position at that time and ge dug them out of it. He has performed at test level, though I concede he hasn't been as prolific against Australia, but then again not that many people are..however I shall leave you to your opinions- as people have said 'form is temporary, class is permanent': all I'm expressing are my opinions though. (which are shared by others too.)

:D
'form is temporary, class is permanent' I really love this quote, but in Bell's case - he isn't class, so it doesn't apply to him. Class is judged on performances vs the best sides, Bell often takes a duck against the best sides. Averaging millions vs Bangladesh isn't very classy!

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Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
Well that's your opinion but most of the cricketing world think bell is a class player that has just underperformed
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Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
AS I said, I'll leave you to your opinions: too tired to argue lol, though it's all friendly banter I know ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 08:45:38 PM
Well that's your opinion but most of the cricketing world think bell is a class player that has just underperformed
How long can one go on underperforming? ECB have hedged their bets with Bell, and by the age of 28, he's done little to prove them right. Between 28-32 is seen as a batsman's peak, so will Bell go from a joke into the next Ricky Ponting(he said he wanted to emulate Punter a few years ago) time is ticking....
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Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 08:48:50 PM
Though it seems ok at first, I think your opinions are inciting more and more people. If one is better than ian bell, sure one can judge him, but were not, are we. I think we shouldn't be so judgmental and keep our opinions to ourselves a bit more (give the guy a chance lol!)
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Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
So a player who avg is 42 in trst cricket is a joke hmmmm
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 08:53:22 PM
Facts don't seem to help your case either, do they Jeet :/
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
So a player who avg is 42 in trst cricket is a joke hmmmm
Remove runs vs Bang(whom have never beaten a full strength Test side) average is a mighty 37.55
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Post by: maxy1 on November 18, 2010, 08:55:42 PM
i dont agree that bell is a joke ,even if im not his biggest fan, however i dont agree you have to be better than someone to judge them, for example Jedward probably sing better than me ............ but there still (No Swearing Please)  :D judging bell against other england players and even his own county standards he does often under perform at international level.
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Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 08:57:36 PM
Ok maybe my point was slightly flawed, but i think the judgments are a bit harsh- that's just my opinions. Jeet: 37.6 is a solid average for a middle-order batsman anyway..,
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 08:58:48 PM
You can only score against the attack put in front of you whether bang zim or ind it all counts or if do you feel a joke if you smack a poor bowler to the boundary feels
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: maxy1 on November 18, 2010, 09:01:03 PM
the main disappointing thing iv always felt with bell is that he has the potential to play better thats all .
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 09:02:48 PM
Ok maybe my point was slightly flawed, but i think the judgments are a bit harsh- that's just my opinions. Jeet: 37.6 is a solid average for a middle-order batsman anyway..,
Your kidding right? 37.6 is pretty poor...
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 09:05:30 PM
What is your test avg jeet? 38 is decent for a middle order player which bell is
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
Lol exactly what I was gonna say roco. His acc average is 42 too, so that's even better.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
What is your test avg jeet? 38 is decent for a middle order player which bell is
So you've changed Bell from class to decent middle order player? Make your mind up pal.

I'm an umpire, so I don't have an average....
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 09:11:23 PM
Bend words if you want I said it is decent FOR a middle order player not that he IS a decent middle order player but hey I'm sure you know alot more than me ;) but his avg is 42 against all opponents so not bad for someone who has underachieved I would be happy for a test avg of 42 but guess your better than that
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 09:12:50 PM
Finally, my point has been echoed and proved!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 18, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
but guess your better than that
Well I give 100% at everything I try, so I'd probably average 100 ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
Haha good response. But you'd have to be better than Bradman for that- people gave tried, even the best haven't done it
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 18, 2010, 09:16:26 PM
Well I give 100% at everything I try, so I'd probably average 100 ;)


Enough said I think
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
Everyone in the cricketing world knows Bell can be better, but over the last year he has been an outstanding player for club and country. Jeet you said earlier about taking his average against Bangladesh out of the equation and it's around 38, but most of the top-10 batsmen currently in the world don't have an outrageous average against Bangladesh, maybe 60's etc.

And it has been said that when Bell has came up against the old, successful Aussie team he has not excelled but against that bowling attack of Warne, Lee, McGrath etc not many batsmen in the world have put that attack to the sword. Ian Bell is a very, very good player, and on form he is one of the best players in the world. However that is only my opinion and yours, I'm sure, will differ.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 09:54:23 PM
That's what everyones tried to say- I suggest we leave the '100-average' Jeet to his opinions..
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 18, 2010, 09:55:39 PM
That's what everyones tried to say- I suggest we leave the '100-average' Jeet to his opinions..

Agreed
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 09:57:33 PM
Looks like he's quietened down a bit too..
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 18, 2010, 11:03:19 PM
Play has started half an hour early
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:06:19 PM
has ausie keeper got them 150 quid gloves lol
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 11:08:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Paine does (he is kook sponsored)- the nz keeper (Hopkins) had them in the test bs. India I think as well!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:09:29 PM
They are the £150 ones.

Bell's carrying off from y'day it looks like.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
They are the £150 ones.

Bell's carrying off from y'day it looks like.

look nice but to much £££ i want bell to tea off i wanna see prior bat
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:14:23 PM
Agreed, IMO £80 is a lot for gloves let alone £150.

Yeah we don't have the normal depth in the batting with Swann, Broad and Anderson not there. Finn can bat a bit I spose but get 200 lead then go into attack mode :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Sorry meant 400 lead* - Should be around tea if they score quickly.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 18, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
BEll looks great, ATM! There you go jeet ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:16:16 PM
bresnan is a banger as well lol

i just wanna see some 6's haha
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Lol like the big shots. If Aus bring Steve 'poor excuse for a leg spinner' Smith on then you could see some 6's
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:19:56 PM
yeah hope bell gets his 150 hes looking good
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:20:18 PM
Hopefully bat all day at a good rate!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
i shud really go to bed lol instead of watching this
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: ProWannabe88 on November 18, 2010, 11:23:43 PM
I need sky sports :(
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:24:53 PM
gutted pidgey boiiii
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
I have to settle for this tonight :(

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/engine/match/446953.html

However next week, when it all starts, I have the day off Thursday so a late night watching the first day :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:27:23 PM
BOOM thats wat am talking about collibob give it some beans
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: mdl_1979 on November 18, 2010, 11:34:51 PM
On the Bell front, since he came back into the side in the 2009 Ashes he has averaged 53.68 from 11 matches.  Pretty classy I would say.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 18, 2010, 11:35:11 PM
So are we all staying awake for forseeable then?? Enjoying this from Belly and the geordie. Just want to get Prior in after tea for a smack and we're laughing
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
i wont be up much longer up at 7 lol
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:50:21 PM
Slight resemblance?

(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/124600/124661.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs126.ash2/39659_418123992559_768047559_4510985_5398140_n.jpg)

Not quite the same as SS's on the other topic with Freddie.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 18, 2010, 11:52:29 PM
very close tho mate.

i found a jessie ryder shot that was like one i played lol
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
Have we found a new topic lol??

Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 18, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
Do you think Belly wears youths or small men's pads?

Discuss...
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 18, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
Small mens, they're quite low on/over his feet plus he's not tiny.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Simmy on November 19, 2010, 12:01:18 AM
Have we found a new topic lol??

get a new topic sorted dude lol
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 19, 2010, 12:09:23 AM
Small mens, they're quite low on/over his feet plus he's not tiny.


I'm hoping the SAF pads are like that, putting an order in tomorrow.

I can't think of any topical discussions...just settling into a bottle of cab sav. Late start in the morning....
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 19, 2010, 12:10:06 AM
Lol good times for you ;)

Bell's 5ft 10 (apparently) so doubt they're youth pads...
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 19, 2010, 12:11:18 AM
Colly gone
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 19, 2010, 12:11:39 AM
Bet you colly wished he had an ayrtek right now
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 19, 2010, 12:15:51 AM
In a way, I'm glad Prior has a chance to have a go now. He needs some time in the middle. Fair play to Colly, I have slated the bloke for best part of 5 years but I've warmed to him recently.

Yes mate, saw the SAF pads and gloves and thought they were the nuts, with the appropriate protection as well. Plus, they look quality and at a reasonable price. Take it they are quite popular round here then?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 19, 2010, 12:17:29 AM
Michael Atherton = Worst commentator ever
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 19, 2010, 12:29:13 AM
HERE'S THE PIE CHUCKER :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 19, 2010, 12:38:03 AM
HERE'S THE PIE CHUCKER :)

Now now, he's the new Warne don't you know
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 19, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
I'm not a great leggie, but I turn it more and have variations unlike Mr Smith. His control is poor for an international too.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 19, 2010, 12:51:50 AM
Well batted Belly 150 up. Shame he's not got an Ayrtek on though...........
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 19, 2010, 12:54:58 AM
I agree mate, they were calling this bloke the new spin sensation. The kid has a First Class average of about 49. That is ridiculous. If that's what warrants you an international call-up as an Aussie then no wonder they are in the sh*t
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: lovers99 on November 19, 2010, 08:30:35 AM
Jeet, if you are only judged on being a great player by excelling against the best then Botham and Murali must be 'average' players. Their records against W. Indies and Australia respectively are average.....
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 19, 2010, 08:43:48 PM
Wonder will england be able to finish off the match tonight?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 19, 2010, 11:42:10 PM
Hoping Hughes and White score hundreds and force their way into the Test side.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: peplow on November 19, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
I hope hughes does! As england first line bowlers will tear him to shreds!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 19, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
So do I easy wickets for England ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 19, 2010, 11:50:59 PM
I hope hughes does! As england first line bowlers will tear him to shreds!
If Hughes lasts the first 20mins, on any given day, he'll tear any bowling attack apart.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: peplow on November 19, 2010, 11:54:53 PM
No way hose
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 19, 2010, 11:56:50 PM
Hughes is weak with the straight ball needs room that's why he has been out of the aus side
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 19, 2010, 11:58:30 PM
Hughes is weak with the straight ball needs room that's why he has been out of the aus side
He seems to be trying to solve this in the current innings, he'll all ways look a tad strange at the crease, but his record isn't half bad.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: niceonechoppy on November 20, 2010, 12:01:14 AM
Love watching Hughes bat, reminds me of someone with the tehnique of a number 10/11, yet his eye is superb! Makes fascinating viewing....
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 20, 2010, 12:02:39 AM
Still not a test bat for me big difference at aus a level to full test but I'm watching CIN
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 12:04:51 AM
Australia have dropped Hauritz for the Ashes! Quite shocking news, nearly every spinner has been battered by India, harsh treatment for Hauritz
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 20, 2010, 12:06:29 AM
Very harsh he Is not a bad spinner just not an attacking one gets his wickets from keeping it tight rather than going after the batsman but hey all good news for England if aus are messing about :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 20, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
Happy days for england
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 12:07:55 AM
Very harsh he Is not a bad spinner just not an attacking one gets his wickets from keeping it tight rather than going after the batsman but hey all good news for England if aus are messing about :)
What's more shocking is that Steven Smith is the second spinner! Where's O'Keefe!?!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 20, 2010, 12:09:44 AM
Who first choice? not watching at the min

Smith is a batsmen who bowls so maybe they dint think batting is strong enough
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 12:10:56 AM
Who first choice? not watching at the min

Smith is a batsmen who bowls so maybe they dint think batting is strong enough
Doherty will debut according to the comm team, but if it's really green Siddle will play.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: roco on November 20, 2010, 12:26:57 AM
Not heardmich of him sorry to say what's his story?

Then again I like siddle real hard worker
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 12:45:00 AM
Not heardmich of him sorry to say what's his story?

Then again I like siddle real hard worker

Left arm orthodox spinner from Tasmania. Pretty ordinary F/C record, but has had a decent start to the current season.

I'd have Siddle in my side every time
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: ProWannabe88 on November 20, 2010, 12:54:53 AM
BOOM you don't leave them first ball pal!! Go on big chris
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: rp27 on November 20, 2010, 01:01:21 AM
The commentators are clueless, apparently, katich and watson are on par with strauss and cook, strauss alone is better than both of those put together!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Liam-SCCC on November 20, 2010, 01:02:39 AM
The aussie commentators are so annoying. Also where it says 'Australia a trails by 101' is that bad grammar or just me at this hour?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 01:57:46 AM
The commentators are clueless, apparently, katich and watson are on par with strauss and cook, strauss alone is better than both of those put together!
Katich is as good as anyone. Strauss and Katich are evenly matched.

Cook isn't too flash and Watson is a decent makeshift opener.

Comms got it pretty much correct
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Opener on November 20, 2010, 02:15:04 AM
Watson is one of the best openers in the world right now if not the best.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: harrystokoe on November 20, 2010, 07:32:57 AM
Doherty will be playing because KP got out to another left arm spinner in this game so the Aussies will want to exploit this weakness and keep him out of form.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: gsports on November 20, 2010, 08:29:03 AM
Although Doherty has got his chance to play in the 1st test, surely O'Keefe should be considered if Doherty doesn't shine if he gets his chance. SOK who plays at my club Manly, has done everything that he can to get the selectors attention. Cricket is a number's game and his speak volumes for his recent performances, he can contribute with all 3 aspects and in every format.

Steve Smith needs to bowl hundreds of overs for him to be considered as the leading spin option, he can no doubt hold his own with the bat but at the moment he doesnt hold the consistency for him to be thrown into the test arena. Bell attacked him and didn't let him settle, he didn't have a response to this and needs to learn his trade before being exposed at the highest level.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 20, 2010, 04:36:10 PM
Steve Smith is shocking and if Doherty is playing just to get KP out then Aussie selectors are stupid.

Watson is not the best opener in the world by a country mile.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
100% agree- atm I think Strauss is the best opener in the world! He is in a rich vein of form, just when England need it the most- England are looking very good, shaping up towards the first test, though it's a bit of a Shame KP isn't in Great form though- might think of dropping him for Morgan mid-way through the series if he doesn't perform...
 8)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 20, 2010, 04:54:44 PM
I'd say keep KP in. I think he'll click in a massive test series, softer Kookaburra ball, average bowling attack, hard wickets....
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
Yeah definitely for the 1st 3 or so tests, he should find some form, I feel! I hope so anyway!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Buzz on November 20, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
KP will have a huge series - he aspires to greatness and is lusting for the biggest stage.

I will even put my money where my mouth is - I will be puting a bet ok KP scoring a ton in the first test, Morgan will only feature in this series if someone gets injured... He will get a go though in the future.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 20, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Buzz put my thoughts into better words :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 05:23:09 PM
100% agree- atm I think Strauss is the best opener in the world! He is in a rich vein of form, just when England need it the most- England are looking very good, shaping up towards the first test, though it's a bit of a Shame KP isn't in Great form though- might think of dropping him for Morgan mid-way through the series if he doesn't perform...
 8)
Sehwag best opener in the world, followed by Graeme Smith
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 05:25:55 PM
Again that's your opinion Jeet: not getting in another argument! I think you could well be right though Buzz, I'm just speculating..
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 05:28:51 PM
Again that's your opinion Jeet: not getting in another argument! I think you could well be right though Buzz, I'm just speculating..
Rankings would back up my statement. Sehwag 3, Smith 7 and Strauss 26.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 05:31:44 PM
Ok maybe: but right now Strauss is the best of the three I think.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
Ok maybe: but right now Strauss is the best of the three I think.
Again unsure how you claim that, but I'll leave this now
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 05:42:22 PM
Look mate, as I've reiterated several times my opinions are my opinions, and yours are yours...no need to quibble too much, eh?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 06:25:42 PM
Look mate, as I've reiterated several times my opinions are my opinions, and yours are yours...no need to quibble too much, eh?
Difference is I back up my claims with stats, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I won't be posting again to this topic.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 06:27:46 PM
Not the one about bell. Not everything has to be backed up by stats- smith is out of form, sehwag is somewhat hit and miss, but Strauss is consistent and in firm ATM, I'm sure people on here agree too..,
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Not the one about bell. Not everything has to be backed up by stats- smith is out of form, sehwag is somewhat hit and miss, but Strauss is consistent and in firm ATM, I'm sure people on here agree too..,
Sehwag 1200 runs at 67 this year, 5 tons and 6 50's(including a 99 and 96). Current series vs NZ averaging 150+. Hit and miss? I think not.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johan95 on November 20, 2010, 06:34:56 PM
This year, maybe not. But Strauss is somewhere near as consistent. My opinions mine, and yours is yours- I cba to argue...
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: rp27 on November 20, 2010, 06:47:30 PM
Sehwag is playing in india on pitches that are flatter than keira knightlys chest, strauss on the other hand has been playing in bowler friendly conditions and pitches in england. You can't claim opinion as fact by bringing up stats which are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 06:52:52 PM
Sehwag is playing in india on pitches that are flatter than keira knightlys chest, strauss on the other hand has been playing in bowler friendly conditions and pitches in england. You can't claim opinion as fact by bringing up stats which are irrelevant.
Are India's opposition playing on different surfaces? I doubt it, Sehwag is just a once in a lifetime cricketer.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: rp27 on November 20, 2010, 06:57:44 PM
I disagree, he has exceptional hand eye co-ordination, but if he's facing a ball that moves at all then he's screwed.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 20, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
I disagree, he has exceptional hand eye co-ordination, but if he's facing a ball that moves at all then he's screwed.
Hmmm, Dale Steyn tore India to shreds earlier this year in India, swing the ball everywhere(on a lively wicket), Sehwag 109 out of 233. He was in no trouble at all.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 20, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
Jeet, I thought you weren't going to post on this topic anymore?
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 20, 2010, 07:05:53 PM
Stats comparing Sehwag and Strauss

Strauss: Average in India 54.33 with 3 100's
            Average in England 41.43 with 8 100's

Sehwag: Average in India 58.64 with 12 100's
             Average in England 39.50 with 1 100

On stats they are very near the same quality
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: rp27 on November 20, 2010, 11:02:48 PM
Jeet just seems to have a passionate hatred for the english
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: johnnyw on November 20, 2010, 11:07:58 PM
The stats seem to have made jeet quite for once
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 21, 2010, 02:36:38 AM
The stats seem to have made jeet quite for once
Wasn't at home

Sehwag hasn't scored a ton in India vs Eng and Strauss hasn't scored a ton in Eng vs India, quite a remarkable stat!
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 21, 2010, 02:38:07 AM
Jeet for my own enjoyment can I call you Benedict? :)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 21, 2010, 02:41:17 AM
Jeet just seems to have a passionate hatred for the english
Wide of the mark pal.

I support Murray, Eng soccer team, Hamilton     
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 21, 2010, 02:42:59 AM
Jeet for my own enjoyment can I call you Benedict? :)
Only if I paid as much us him LOL
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 21, 2010, 02:45:05 AM
No guarantees I'm afraid :(
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: FattusCattus on November 21, 2010, 10:01:39 AM
I think Sehwag has been fallible in the past, but recently he seems to be building up a head of steam, and scoring consistently against all types of bowling and attacks. I really rate him at the moment, and he has he chance if he scores consistently now, to be remembered as a great, and not merely as good.

He's similar to  guy from he 60's Colin Milburn, who didn't believe in running, and smashed it everywhere as an opener - he was less consistant though.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: peplow on November 21, 2010, 10:23:56 AM
Murray? So you support scotland too ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 21, 2010, 03:00:31 PM
Wide of the mark pal.

I support Murray, Eng soccer team, Hamilton     

1. Andy Murray is a scot
2. He has a large dislike for the English
3. Hamilton is a tax exile
4. The stats have proven you wrong

Job done
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 21, 2010, 04:59:17 PM
1. Andy Murray is a scot
2. He has a large dislike for the English
3. Hamilton is a tax exile
4. The stats have proven you wrong

Job done


Whether Lewis lives in Switzerland, Monaco or Timbuktu, does it mean he's not English?

Murray doesn't hate England or English people. It was a comment blown out of proportion.

Whether Murray is Scottish or not is neither here nor there. He represents GB, that's more than good enough for me.

What stats?

Mug
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: peplow on November 21, 2010, 05:05:36 PM
Jeet leave it out mate.

Murray is scottish and we were talking english.

Stats on the previous page, it doesnt really matter anyway everyone has their own opinions just some voice theirs louder and more frequently than others..
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Jeet on November 21, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
Jeet leave it out mate.

Murray is scottish and we were talking english.

Stats on the previous page, it doesnt really matter anyway everyone has their own opinions just some voice theirs louder and more frequently than others..
Didn't realise Murray was hated...

I won't mention him again.
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 21, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
Unless he wins anything
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: peplow on November 21, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
Yeah he is scottish untill he is very successful ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: Colesy on November 21, 2010, 05:41:28 PM
Amen
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: kalph on November 21, 2010, 05:52:50 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Eng vs Aus A
Post by: justnotcricket86 on November 22, 2010, 10:49:36 AM

Whether Lewis lives in Switzerland, Monaco or Timbuktu, does it mean he's not English?

Murray doesn't hate England or English people. It was a comment blown out of proportion.

Whether Murray is Scottish or not is neither here nor there. He represents GB, that's more than good enough for me.

What stats?

Mug

Mug? haha nice one mate