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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: Tom on February 16, 2011, 12:25:54 PM
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http://www.sportdiscount.com/sports/sports/gunn-and-moore-icon-dxm-original-bat-sh/10307396.html
http://www.sportdiscount.com/sports/sports/gunn-and-moore-luna-dxm-original-sh/10306785.html#top
Discount code: SAVECRICKET brings it down to £153.00
RRP is usually £320.00
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Both of those are out of stock mate
PS - Regarding the Combat, the chap is coming back to me this evening. Will let you know when i hear anything
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But surely if you pre-order then they will despatch it "as soon as it arrives"?
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Reckon you would get it when it came back in stock if it did? Really fancy a luna.
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Reckon you would get it when it came back in stock if it did? Really fancy a luna.
there was a chap with one last night in the nets from another club, had a peek over when he wasn't looking. Looked lovely but didn't want to be rude a pick it up. Wasn't there long enough to watch him use it though. Interestingly enough, I have not seen any pro's using it yet? I may not be looking hard enough though
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Smith is using it from SA.
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/109102106.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E6A3C74FB2AD0A1CFAF42487E2E9BDC37B31313570C67332F9E30A760B0D811297)
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Might just have to wait for asad to get one in!
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Is DXM the highest grade of willow with GM's?
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Original LE is their Highest grade...those guys who went on the Factory Visit should be able to tell you what DXM means and Stands for, google it would be the 2nd option! :)
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I'm pretty sure it means how the bay is made with their unique CNC machine
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DXM isnt to do with the grade of willow, it stands for Design eXecution Manufacture which is a new tag line theyre putting on all of their bats, as mentioned, Original LE is their highest and it goes down through Original to 909, 808, 707 and so on
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Do you know what I have never understood with GM's branding...is it not a bit odd that their models are 909, 808, 707, and not on scales of 100? Is that just to be different, or is there a more intricate reason behind it? I'd love to know, perhaps if Edward sees this he could explain, I mean with most other brands it's quite obvious with the reasoning (eg. GN 4* then 5* last year, Puma with 4000 to 5000 to 6000..)..?
Any thoughts?
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DXM isnt to do with the grade of willow, it stands for Design eXecution Manufacture which is a new tag line theyre putting on all of their bats, as mentioned, Original LE is their highest and it goes down through Original to 909, 808, 707 and so on
thanks for clearing that up for me
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Anyone have there telephone number?
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My mate has a Luna 808. It in decent size for the weight. Will let you know how it goes wen we have a net, there are stickers in the grooves, I thought it would just be wood
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Does the discount code work on all the stuff?
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yes, but it isn't all 50%
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Is it only for today?
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how many new bats do you have?!
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LOL its not for myself, asking on behalf of my clubmates who are after these two bats
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Do you think they'll honour the discount when they get stock?
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It sounds as though this deal is too good to be true, I wouldn't trust it myself to be honest.
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TIm, this is what there website says;
"Availability: Temporarily out of stock | This item will be dispatched as soon as it arrives"
So my take is that yes they will ship it out and give it at a discounted price.
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Looked at it myself and looks like most stuff was out of stock which is a bit strange i thought.
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Tom recommended it so I take it surely can't be a fraud ?
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Sport discount is owned by the same guys who bought Zavvi and who manage the PC World and Intersport sites.
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Do you know what I have never understood with GM's branding...is it not a bit odd that their models are 909, 808, 707, and not on scales of 100? Is that just to be different, or is there a more intricate reason behind it? I'd love to know, perhaps if Edward sees this he could explain, I mean with most other brands it's quite obvious with the reasoning (eg. GN 4* then 5* last year, Puma with 4000 to 5000 to 6000..)..?
Any thoughts?
One man's odd is another man's "distinctive"!
We have run this number system for some time, butas I recall when we introduced it "100's" were being used by another brand, so we did our own thing!
Kind regards
Edward
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DXM isnt to do with the grade of willow, it stands for Design eXecution Manufacture which is a new tag line theyre putting on all of their bats, as mentioned, Original LE is their highest and it goes down through Original to 909, 808, 707 and so on
Close - but no cigar! :o
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Close - but no cigar! :o
Then what's the cigar?
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I love having some big brands on here :D
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Edward I'm guessing you are from GM mate?
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Managing Director
Unicorn Products Ltd
Unicorn own GM
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Good job your paying attention Colesy
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One man's odd is another man's "distinctive"!
We have run this number system for some time, butas I recall when we introduced it "100's" were being used by another brand, so we did our own thing!
Kind regards
Edward
OK Edward, I was thinking it was to stand out from the crowd, fair enough! Good on GM then, being different!! :)
Thanks for taking the time to answer, your points are valid, was just wondering that was all :)
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OK Edward, I was thinking it was to stand out from the crowd, fair enough! Good on GM then, being different!! :)
Thanks for taking the time to answer, your points are valid, was just wondering that was all :)
No problem at all, thanks for asking!
Kind regards
Edward
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Edward i have to say that it's really refreshing to see the GM top man taking time out to listen to us mere mortals. It's says alot about your customer focus.
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Edward i have to say that it's really refreshing to see the GM top man taking time out to listen to us mere mortals. It's says alot about your customer focus.
Kind of you to say so, thank you.
My wife would comment that it's because I haven't got a life! :o
Truth is we love listening to people who play and buy cricket. Always interesting, always thought provoking. A topic from here has been bouncing around our Director's email all night!
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I do agree with 100* - thanks for taking the time to answer! Out of interest, what prompted the sticker change from 2010 to 2011, I mean the style has changed a lot since the last 5 years? Is this style something you will be persevering with? They are starting to grow on me now! But the only set I don't like is the Apex one... :|
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I do agree with 100* - thanks for taking the time to answer! Out of interest, what prompted the sticker change from 2010 to 2011, I mean the style has changed a lot since the last 5 years? Is this style something you will be persevering with? They are starting to grow on me now! But the only set I don't like is the Apex one... :|
GM's market share since we moved to our DXM processes has grown substantially, mostly at the expense of brands such as Adi, Slaz and Kookaburra who don't have their own factories and therefore cannot make their own bats, nor rigorously control design and quality that ends up in your hands.
The brand is on the move, we cannot stand still. When we looked at how the brand appeared on the diversity of goods we supply from bats to shoes to bags to pads etc, in truth we had become a little inconsistent and lacked brand clarity particularly when seen on TV / on the web / in the newspapers etc. So we sat down with the clever bods who understand these things and rationalised our logo in particular to that which you see in the 2011 range.
Quite a brave decision perhaps as folk (a) particularly liked the 2010 bats and (b) are notoriously conservative. However, sometimes you have to do these things to ensure the longevity of the brand and the continual, gentle evolution that will unfurl. Classy, timeless, confident and clear, we're enjoying our (subtly different) new look. Hope you do too!
Kind regards
Edward
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You pretty much persuaded me to like the new design there. I hated them when the first came out, and in truth I still prefer the older style, but knowing that GM are trying to set themselves apart makes me like them and appreciate the effort you guys are putting in.
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Yeah me too. Quite the answer ;) - though I agree with that, so I guess this could be the new sticker design for a while, in a period of transition to maintain the brand over the coming years, along with your other innovations :)
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Thanks chaps. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course but it is pleasing to have an opportunity to explain our rationale. We try not to do things just for the sake of it.
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Will PM another question as am not sure about whether it's a good one or not :-[
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Is this website legit? Looks abit dodgy to me? :l
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Still upset you dropped the hero range loved that shape had an 808 that was a beauty used it for the knock that got me in wisden
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http://www.gm-cricket.com/
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Joe, the website Tom mentioned is the one Jacko is talking about I believe ;)
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Yep thats the one i was on about :P haha
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I meant the one selling the bats v.cheap
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Still upset you dropped the hero range loved that shape had an 808 that was a beauty used it for the knock that got me in wisden
Buy a new DXM bat and do better! ;)
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Buy a new DXM bat and do better! ;)
hi ed, this may sound an odd question, but because of the CAD machine would it be possible to get a bat made in an old shape?
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Here's the Question and Answer that I didn't want to post but will do now! :)
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Hi Edward,
As I said, I am not sure whether this is a good question, so forgive me if this is a silly one, but it is regarding your pros and your bats. In terms of pros and bats, do you try to spread them out evenly over the ranges, hence some changes of profiles used this year (eg. GC Smith Apex --> Luna?) - or is it mostly down to the player?
Would I be right in believing that most, if not all of the pros get their bats made at the factory? And are bats taken across ranges and stickered up as PR?
If this is something you are not free to discuss, do let me know, and if so, my bad! :|
Johan
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Happy to discuss anything Johan!
All our pros, without exception, have their bats made in our own factory in Nottingham. What bat they use is down to them, we physically only have the sets of stickers that we produce for the catalogue range, so yes truthfully we have to apply one of those sets to their bats. Most of the pros use one of the catalogue shapes, or a very close derivation thereof, and that typically governs the stickers that are used. Where possible, we try and ensure reasonable exposure of each model across the players.
Feel free to post your question and my answer on the forum, it is good for people to understand how we operate.
Kind regards
Edward
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Top work Johan and Thanks Edward for being honest and giving everyone an insight in to how a major cricket company works.I found this all very interesting and informative.Thanks to you both ; )
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hi ed, this may sound an odd question, but because of the CAD machine would it be possible to get a bat made in an old shape?
Completely possible indeed.
However, if your next question is "Oh great can you make me a replica of my favourite wand that I scored 177 not out and secured the Cup for my team by hitting the biggest six that had ever been seen at Trixton-under-Piddle off the last ball off that bloke who everyone said was an unplayable Aussie ringer although he said he came from just down the road in Trixton-On-Gringe", then please be prepared for a not so cordial reply!
:o
Best wishes
Edward
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Top work Johan and Thanks Edward for being honest and giving everyone an insight in to how a major cricket company works.I found this all very interesting and informative.Thanks to you both ; )
No prob!
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LOL, so an old GM shape would be possible then Edward? And no Probs Alex! Seems Edward will discuss anything, thought that was a touchy area with some brands, not so much GM then!
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I have a question
"Where do GM see themselves in 5 years time?"
When asking this question im considering the rapid demise of Slazenger as a brand, Gray Nics outsourcing to India and the rise of Adidas, Puma and inevitably Nike. The cricket market is changing, where does GM fit into it?
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Couple of questions.
Please can you make Jon Trott's profile available to the public?
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What bat do you use Edward?
:)
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haha class that mate. Trixton-Under-Piddle sounds like a lovely little seaside town
Thanks for being straight with us Edward, hope you hang around here for a while.
You say there was a particular thread that was doing the rounds in your office...wasn't the Shane Watson one was it? That will make for some interesting reading I am sure if you stumble across it!
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Thanks for your answer Edward - was good to meet you all and nice that you showed a few of us your operation at GM!
Of course, we all now realise that you are posting in a flurry, so that you can quickly get up to 50 posts, and are therefore eligible to sell some of your older bats on the forum! Don't try to deny it! ;)
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I have a question
"Where do GM see themselves in 5 years time?"
When asking this question im considering the rapid demise of Slazenger as a brand, Gray Nics outsourcing to India and the rise of Adidas, Puma and inevitably Nike. The cricket market is changing, where does GM fit into it?
Excellent question.
About 5 years ago we sat down and considered the future. There were siren calls to look at moving production to India. We would be no strangers to that, as it happens, as back in 1999, we moved the Unicorn dart manufacturing business - that my Grandpa started - to China. That was the right move for Unicorn, India is not the right move for GM as so many other brands have found.
What we decided to do is make better bats. Bats that you would aspire to. Bats that feel better, play better, look better than anything we or anyone else had made before.
So we set about a research project in conjunction with a firm who are world leaders in wood technology. We learned a lot and thought a lot.
Coming out of the research were some radical new ideas in timber conditioning, pressing and manufacture which are now possible with the latest technology. We looked at the costs, swallowed hard, had a stiff Scotch (Dalmore 12 as you ask) and DXM was born.
The GM factory in Nottingham is the most advanced in the World bar none. It blends seamlessly the very latest machining technology with the hundreds of years of collective skill and craftsmanship that our fantastic staff have accrued. They work with us in our own factory. Ask other substantial brands for a factory tour and there will be an embarrassed silence.
I believe we are making the finest bats in the World. We shall continue to innovate and have the infrastructure to design and manufacture in our own factory, under our own control, even better bats. We shall continue to focus on the needs of the cricketer. We shall continue manufacturing English Willow bats and will not badge the output from an OEM factory.
In my view, the bats badged Adi, Puma for example are inconsistent and average at best. They are not the product led model that we choose. The focus of the mega brands who have no real heritage in cricket is on developing their brands generally around the World, but very much driven by emerging India at the moment. Whether average product can successfully underpin brand equity in the long term would be a concern.
GM choose outstanding product to drive the brand forward. Where will we be in 5 years time? Truth is, that's a long way off but if I had to pick some words : Quality. Innovation. Performance. Deliver. Support.
Hope that helps!
Kind regards
Edward
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Thanks for your answer Edward - was good to meet you all and nice that you showed a few of us your operation at GM!
Of course, we all now realise that you are posting in a flurry, so that you can quickly get up to 50 posts, and are therefore eligible to sell some of your older bats on the forum! Don't try to deny it! ;)
It's a fair cop Guv!
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Couple of questions.
Please can you make Jon Trott's profile available to the public?
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What bat do you use Edward?
:)
Maybe 8)
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...um, er, awkward pause, I don't! Schoolboy only cricketer, my job is the business of cricket. Don't fear however, we have plenty of saddos on the staff..
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Edward great to have you here, not sure if this is a good question or not but is there a much of difference between a Icon LE and what pro use? I mean is there a difference in quality between offshelf Icon LE's quality (cleft, willow, handle etc) compare to pro bats?
Also what shape does Umar Akmal use? Is it actual Flare?
Thanks
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Excellent question.
About 5 years ago we sat down and considered the future. There were siren calls to look at moving production to India. We would be no strangers to that, as it happens, as back in 1999, we moved the Unicorn dart manufacturing business - that my Grandpa started - to China. That was the right move for Unicorn, India is not the right move for GM as so many other brands have found.
What we decided to do is make better bats. Bats that you would aspire to. Bats that feel better, play better, look better than anything we or anyone else had made before.
So we set about a research project in conjunction with a firm who are world leaders in wood technology. We learned a lot and thought a lot.
Coming out of the research were some radical new ideas in timber conditioning, pressing and manufacture which are now possible with the latest technology. We looked at the costs, swallowed hard, had a stiff Scotch (Dalmore 12 as you ask) and DXM was born.
The GM factory in Nottingham is the most advanced in the World bar none. It blends seamlessly the very latest machining technology with the hundreds of years of collective skill and craftsmanship that our fantastic staff have accrued. They work with us in our own factory. Ask other substantial brands for a factory tour and there will be an embarrassed silence.
I believe we are making the finest bats in the World. We shall continue to innovate and have the infrastructure to design and manufacture in our own factory, under our own control, even better bats. We shall continue to focus on the needs of the cricketer. We shall continue manufacturing English Willow bats and will not badge the output from an OEM factory.
In my view, the bats badged Adi, Puma for example are inconsistent and average at best. They are not the product led model that we choose. The focus of the mega brands who have no real heritage in cricket is on developing their brands generally around the World, but very much driven by emerging India at the moment. Whether average product can successfully underpin brand equity in the long term would be a concern.
GM choose outstanding product to drive the brand forward. Where will we be in 5 years time? Truth is, that's a long way off but if I had to pick some words : Quality. Innovation. Performance. Deliver. Support.
Hope that helps!
Kind regards
Edward
Innovation is always at the forefront in any market i suppose - tough to do sometimes with a lump of wood, but this is where the best will really shine through......the average and the indifferent will struggle and inevitably peter out.
It really doesnt take much effort (an hour of your time answering questions) to build up a good rapport with a large cricketing communnity, so take a bow and pat that back of yours - i for one definitely look upon GM more favourably than any other large scale brand ( it's still nice to support your local batmaker though!). I'll echo sentiments already mentioned on this thread, that the interaction between large cricket brands and consumer rarely occurs, when it does the result is largely positive for both parties. No reason why GM couldnt take out a £15 a month sponsorship fee and gain access to a receptive cricketing market, with more money than sense and the largest known concentration of bat hoarders, obsessives and self pronounced willow wizards known to man.
But seriously, what is stopping GM being the first large brand to really start engaging with us proletariat....break down the bourgeois barriers :D
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Who been to Uni and read the Communist Manifesto?
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What is this communal manifestation you speak of so fondly mr.brimble?
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An old friend of mine, Karl, bit outdated now but great in theory....
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fantastic to have access to Edward and I'm certainly one who would be 'all GM' having been a slaz man my whole life. Clearly GM's technology and more importantly end product is market leading, the results of the prior corporate strategy formulation makes it very easy to believe in the brand.
I've posted a couple of times querying various 'icon' bats being used by Trott and Ten Dos, only out of interest, not ridicule. Golf companies do this commonplace, the clubs in the bag of a pro do not resemble the retail offerings (other than cosmetically) and often arent even manufactured in the same place, but most people wouldnt know/care to know this.
If I had a suggestion, without obviously understanding the feasability, and assuming the profile deravations made for pros are CAD, perhaps a limited run (100?) could be made and labled as 'GM custom prototype' for example for Trotts bat, surely from a marketing perspective these would command a premium even to the LE bats? A good way to test the market for product development. if its at all relevant as a case study, the hard core golf market go nuts for anything that is a tour issue prototype.
Anyway, keep up the great work GM.
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Thanks for the great answers and openness. I have changed my mind to such an extent that I orxered a Luna to try and find out how much GM bats have changed. Coming back to the topic of older bats, whatever happened to the Diamond? It was the only GM bat I ever got on with and seemed innovative at the time. I know a number of us look out for them on ebay all the time.
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Being a Nottingham lad Ive had a shed load of Gms in my time inc bats passed on from Notts players but by far the biggest plank Ive ever had was a Diamond.. Looked good but deader than a dead thing thats dead
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Must admit this has made me want to try GM now. Not had one for a few years but remember liking it.
Would love a bash with a Luna
Edward - Does the opportunity to visit ever arise? I know that a couple of the chaps from here such as Pete have been down before
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Being a Nottingham lad Ive had a shed load of Gms in my time inc bats passed on from Notts players but by far the biggest plank Ive ever had was a Diamond.. Looked good but deader than a dead thing thats dead
I always found that the Cannon was an enormous plank, and I never found the Purist much better. I loved my Diamond!
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The Maestro was my ultimate fav plus a monster Maxi that was passed to me by a benevolant senior player at my first club BJ and SB C.C.
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The Maestro was my ultimate fav plus a monster Maxi that was passed to me by a benevolant senior player at my first club BJ and SB C.C.
I never really got on with the Maestro either. Lots of people though it was brilliant, but I preferred the GN Dynadrive at around the same time.
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I always found that the Cannon was an enormous plank, and I never found the Purist much better. I loved my Diamond!
I've had 2 generations of Cannon - one from the late 80's/early 90's and then a Cannon Original from 1998. Both were awesome - the later one is the only bat I ever scored a century with (in fact i scored 2, back to back) and had a good 5-6 seasons out of it.
The reason I bought it was because GM were the first manufacturer to offer factory knocked in bats, and at the time I needed a bat pronto, with no time for knocking in.
I replaced it in 2005 with a Hero Original, which unfortunately was a plank, and I've not had another GM since.
As others have mentioned though, great to have such a prominent brand on board.
One suggestion for Edward, which I'm sure some forum members would be up for - retro releases! with the good old green and blue stickers from the 80's!
One of the great things about GM having cricketing heritage is that there is the opportuniy for nostalgia. My early cricket memories are watching the likes of Gatting with using a Maestro
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One of the great things about GM having cricketing heritage is that there is the opportuniy for nostalgia. My early cricket memories are watching the likes of Gatting with using a Maestro
Same for my generation with Vaughn and Tresco at the top of the England order
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Same Leo, probably my two favourite English players
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Great question posed about future of GM and great to have a straight, clear answer from Edward. I for one, think GM are getting it right. In terms of big brands they stand out head and shoulders above the rest for consistent quality. Spent a lot of time this winter shopping around for a new bat and kept coming back to GM. The information they make available about their bats is second to none and their willingness to contribute positively and honestly to forums is a breath of fresh air. Never had a GM before but invested in an Icon Original and after 3 sessions in the nets I'm pretty sure it's the best bat I've ever used.
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Hi Ed,
Have you considered the benefits of opening a factory in Melbourne Australia?
GN did this in the 70's and GN have strangled all competition here in Oz over the years with something like half of the batsmen on any given club side using GN bats.
Open up a small factory where you can manufacture some bats and also do repairs and refurbs.
You would get a massive share of the market if you did this.
Go on...you know you want to!
Regards,
Vic Nicholas
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Hi Ed,
Have you considered the benefits of opening a factory in Melbourne Australia?
GN did this in the 70's and GN have strangled all competition here in Oz over the years with something like half of the batsmen on any given club side using GN bats.
Open up a small factory where you can manufacture some bats and also do repairs and refurbs.
You would get a massive share of the market if you did this.
Go on...you know you want to!
Regards,
Vic Nicholas
I second that motion.
PS GN as a result has been popular here (although I work with a former GN sponsored test player who hated his GN bats and advises everyone was using bats made by Julian anyway - with GN stickers)
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Hi Ed,
Have you considered the benefits of opening a factory in Melbourne Australia?
GN did this in the 70's and GN have strangled all competition here in Oz over the years with something like half of the batsmen on any given club side using GN bats.
Open up a small factory where you can manufacture some bats and also do repairs and refurbs.
You would get a massive share of the market if you did this.
Go on...you know you want to!
Regards,
Vic Nicholas
I disagree.
GM's absolute expertise is in our unique DXM processes and in the accrued skill of our craftsmen and women in Nottingham.
Talk to any specialist outlet in Australia and they will tell you that the brand that is on the move upwards is GM because of the superiority and consistency of GM bats.
I do not know of any other mainstream brand who is expanding their own manufacture, indeed I believe the opposite to be the case that other mainstream brands have either contracted their own manufacture or have transferred it all to India
Kind regards
Edward
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I work in a fairly large cricket retailer in Australia and I see no benefit of opening a factory in Melbourne. I mean it would be nice, but given the costs wouldnt be worth it. I mean Avalon source all the bats there and as far as repairs or refurbs specialists are hired all over the country, I.E - Simon (who did the repairs for Impala) does all the repairs for GM in sydney.
GM is on the way up definetly. Shane Watson has definetly increased that. GMs only small issue is I believe it cost a bit more to get the bats from all the way over from england and for that reason maybe not as much is ordered. I know for example in the GM Flare there was hardly any going around anywhere in sydney for alot of the cricket season. There were millions of apex's around but they just didnt really sell
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I think Shane Watson might have bumped up credibility and awareness recently :)
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With Respect Ed,
Who ever is feeding you that false info is pissing in your pocket.
At your average cricket shop (GCCC, Players Edge etc) the Gray Nicolls display of bats takes up nearly half the shop. FMD, even the Kooka, Slaz and Puma bats are far more numerous than GM.
At GCCC, the GM bat display is wedged in between the Bradbury and teh Adidas bats and it is a "blink you shall miss it" experience.
Yes, I am a GM die hard, but that is because I wanted something that everyone else WASN'T using.
Here is my gear:
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=9914.0
I rarely see GM bats when I play club cricket mid week and on the weekends...and I always get guys from the opposition checking out my bat when I am out in the middle as it is an oddity and so few are seen around.
I am a GM fanatic, but don't fool yourself, GN and Kooka are easily numbers one and two in the Oz market and the Indian brand SS is not far behind them and set to make big inroads
I respect the fact that it is cost prohibitive to open up another factory in Oz when India is so much cheaper, but being an GM fan, I would have loved a more localised Southern Hemisphere service.
So, if I want a weight reduction and refurb, where do I send my bats?
Kindest Regards,
Vic Nicholas
I disagree.
GM's absolute expertise is in our unique DXM processes and in the accrued skill of our craftsmen and women in Nottingham.
Talk to any specialist outlet in Australia and they will tell you that the brand that is on the move upwards is GM because of the superiority and consistency of GM bats.
I do not know of any other mainstream brand who is expanding their own manufacture, indeed I believe the opposite to be the case that other mainstream brands have either contracted their own manufacture or have transferred it all to India
Kind regards
Edward
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With Respect Ed,
Who ever is feeding you that false info is pissing in your pocket.
At your average cricket shop (GCCC, Players Edge etc) the Gray Nicolls display of bats takes up nearly half the shop. FMD, even the Kooka, Slaz and Puma bats are far more numerous than GM.
At GCCC, the GM bat display is wedged in between the Bradbury and teh Adidas bats and it is a "blink you shall miss it" experience.
Yes, I am a GM die hard, but that is because I wanted something that everyone else WASN'T using.
Here is my gear:
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=9914.0[/url]
I rarely see GM bats when I play club cricket mid week and on the weekends...and I always get guys from the opposition checking out my bat when I am out in the middle as it is an oddity and so few are seen around.
I am a GM fanatic, but don't fool yourself, GN and Kooka are easily numbers one and two in the Oz market and the Indian brand SS is not far behind them and set to make big inroads
I respect the fact that it is cost prohibitive to open up another factory in Oz when India is so much cheaper, but being an GM fan, I would have loved a more localised Southern Hemisphere service.
So, if I want a weight reduction and refurb, where do I send my bats?
Kindest Regards,
Vic Nicholas
No, our people do not make a habit of doing that...
What I said was that GM is "the brand that is on the move upwards", I did not say - because it isn't - that GM is the biggest brand in Oz. Yet.
GM has been rebuilding through excellent new distributors in Sydney for the past couple of years. 2010/2009 we are some 80% up. Suggest you talk to GCCC about their GM prospects for 2011.
Kind regards
Edward
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Just a thought. With Shane Watson's form and the publicity he is giving GM not only in Aus but around the world, this will increase demand for GM bats, particularly Flare with younger children (most influenced) and therefore more people will try and get hold of these bats. So the demand has already been created which means GM does not have to open a factory in Aus to increase awareness and produce more bats/softs and as Edward has said that GM has moved up 80%.
I don't know if I've worded that in a way people can understand... If you can please say if I am right or wrong :L
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I think Edward and his team will have costed out opening a new factory, but when you have a fantastic CNC machine or two and a leading factory in the uk, with transport links having "shrunk" the world, I am not sure it will make economic sense to open a whole new factory in Aus. Not that I have any idea about the market over there, it's all a bit upside down for me ;). But the point is - Australia is an enormous place and given there is a load of shipping to get a bat anywhere their anyway, they might as well be made here, plus lets keep the Aussie Dollars flowing over to the UK!
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Given the size of the factory I'd say that GM could make a lot more bats with ease.
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I think the idea was really tongue in cheek, of course it doesnt make sense economically or otherwise to open production here, just wishful thinking of fans! It would be good to have some localised service though. Im pleased to hear GM is 80% up on prior year, although whether that is as impressive as it sounds depends on the base number of course. All the best to GM.
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No, our people do not make a habit of doing that...
What I said was that GM is "the brand that is on the move upwards", I did not say - because it isn't - that GM is the biggest brand in Oz. Yet.
GM has been rebuilding through excellent new distributors in Sydney for the past couple of years. 2010/2009 we are some 80% up. Suggest you talk to GCCC about their GM prospects for 2011.
Kind regards
Edward
Thanks for your response Edward.
The guys at GCCC hardly have their finger on the pulse on what is going down. They are stuck in the 80's in fact and are utterly clueless to be kind.
As I alluded to in my previous post, SS are easily in third place just behind Kookaburra (for now) and a little bit further behind powerhouse GN.
We are talking about the FASTEST growing brand of bats in the Oz market - and you know how many SS bats or softs GCCC stock?
If you answered "zero" you would be correct.
Infact, such things as super lite pads do not exist at GCCC - I had to get my GM RSB's direct from the UK. If you want Morrants or BDM superlites, you must order from the UK or India.
Somehow, every third player I play with or against has superlite pads of some description, yet they are not available at GCCC?
Nearly half the players of most teams wield SS bats - yet GCCC in their wisdom, does not stock them.
I will for a laugh ask the enlightened guys at GCCC what they think of GM's future prospects here in OZ, but irrespective of what answer they give me, their floor space dedicated to each brand tells you all you need to know.
Ten plus meters dedicated to GN bats. Fairly similar for Kookaburra bats...and then a meter and half for GM bats.
There is no disgrace in that Edward and nor is it a reflection on the quality of your bats - as I said, SS are on the road to challenging GN for #1 status over the next few years yet GCCC do not stock their gear at all.
Throwing around figures like "80% increase" mean nothing to me at all.
Glenn McGrath increased his batting average by 80% in the latter part of his test career.
Virender Sehwag increased his batting average by 10% in the last seven years.
Make of that what you will.
Thanks for taking the time to respond mate, and yes, I understand that the competitive and cost prohibitive bat making process means that India is the Eldorado of any brand that wishes to survive and prosper in the future, not Australia.
Cheers mate,
Vic
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I dont think you can say SS is challenging GN and Kookaburra in just what you see in your area in your nets. I see alot of cricket in a lot of places in Sydney and to be honest see very little SS. Obviously with multiculturalism and the increasing rise of bats more and more people are looking at EBAY and India for decent quality bats at cheaper prices, somthing obviously a brand like GM does not really offer.
I can assure you on somthing though. One big cricket shop in OZ stocks plenty of SS but hardly sells anything and I can assure you of this. If you wanted the proportion of SS Bats sold to say Kookaburra or GN I do not lie or exhagerate when I say it would be around 50 to 1. Sure there are reasons for this, many being if you want a brand like SS you are probably better getting it straight from India for a fair less chunk of the price, but even still. Shane WAtson is really pushing GM, I assure you of that. They were already popular but since the release of the Icon and the Flare GM has sold through the roof. The problem is the amount ordered from a shop Im referring to is very little and for example sold all out of GM Flare LE Bats before other brands had even had one of there top end bats sold. Not many people wanted a bar of the APEX which was the other mainstream bat bought. If there was a statistic for bats sold in compared to time in the shop (EG - How many Flares sold in proportion to the days spent in the shop) compared to any other bat I can assure you the FLARE would be by far the most popular bat in Sydney this year with the Slazenger Ultimate (michael clarke endorsed), which is always another very popular bat. Just for whatever reason numbers arent getting bought originally, again probably to do with the high costs to get GM compared to other brands so companies may not buy as many.
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funny thing you mention people going for a cheaper bats from India then mention Kookaburra (you telling me there not indian sg made)....
I suspect SS sell more than any brand unit wise or in the top 3 in the planet with there stickers on or somebody elses
Funny that most brands outsource much of there batmaking to India in some capacity
back on topic i saw a Luna this morning top quality profile indeed and the finish on the one i saw was top class
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SG are the biggest bat makers.
Kookaburra are an Australian brand so people on the whole do not associate them with an Indian factory. They make no reference to where they are made on purpose but GM make plenty to it as they make their own bats and are rightly proud.
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Thanks for your response Edward.
The guys at GCCC hardly have their finger on the pulse on what is going down. They are stuck in the 80's in fact and are utterly clueless to be kind.
As I alluded to in my previous post, SS are easily in third place just behind Kookaburra (for now) and a little bit further behind powerhouse GN.
We are talking about the FASTEST growing brand of bats in the Oz market - and you know how many SS bats or softs GCCC stock?
If you answered "zero" you would be correct.
Infact, such things as super lite pads do not exist at GCCC - I had to get my GM RSB's direct from the UK. If you want Morrants or BDM superlites, you must order from the UK or India.
Somehow, every third player I play with or against has superlite pads of some description, yet they are not available at GCCC?
Nearly half the players of most teams wield SS bats - yet GCCC in their wisdom, does not stock them.
I will for a laugh ask the enlightened guys at GCCC what they think of GM's future prospects here in OZ, but irrespective of what answer they give me, their floor space dedicated to each brand tells you all you need to know.
Ten plus meters dedicated to GN bats. Fairly similar for Kookaburra bats...and then a meter and half for GM bats.
There is no disgrace in that Edward and nor is it a reflection on the quality of your bats - as I said, SS are on the road to challenging GN for #1 status over the next few years yet GCCC do not stock their gear at all.
Throwing around figures like "80% increase" mean nothing to me at all.
Glenn McGrath increased his batting average by 80% in the latter part of his test career.
Virender Sehwag increased his batting average by 10% in the last seven years.
Make of that what you will.
Thanks for taking the time to respond mate, and yes, I understand that the competitive and cost prohibitive bat making process means that India is the Eldorado of any brand that wishes to survive and prosper in the future, not Australia.
Cheers mate,
Vic
Thanks for your further input. I don't accept your analysis.
We have a very high regard for the folk of GCCC.
Best wishes
Edward
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I dont think you can say SS is challenging GN and Kookaburra in just what you see in your area in your nets. I see alot of cricket in a lot of places in Sydney and to be honest see very little SS. Obviously with multiculturalism and the increasing rise of bats more and more people are looking at EBAY and India for decent quality bats at cheaper prices, somthing obviously a brand like GM does not really offer.
I can assure you on somthing though. One big cricket shop in OZ stocks plenty of SS but hardly sells anything and I can assure you of this. If you wanted the proportion of SS Bats sold to say Kookaburra or GN I do not lie or exhagerate when I say it would be around 50 to 1. Sure there are reasons for this, many being if you want a brand like SS you are probably better getting it straight from India for a fair less chunk of the price, but even still. Shane WAtson is really pushing GM, I assure you of that. They were already popular but since the release of the Icon and the Flare GM has sold through the roof. The problem is the amount ordered from a shop Im referring to is very little and for example sold all out of GM Flare LE Bats before other brands had even had one of there top end bats sold. Not many people wanted a bar of the APEX which was the other mainstream bat bought. If there was a statistic for bats sold in compared to time in the shop (EG - How many Flares sold in proportion to the days spent in the shop) compared to any other bat I can assure you the FLARE would be by far the most popular bat in Sydney this year with the Slazenger Ultimate (michael clarke endorsed), which is always another very popular bat. Just for whatever reason numbers arent getting bought originally, again probably to do with the high costs to get GM compared to other brands so companies may not buy as many.
This analysis I recognise!
Kind regards
Edward
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You would be an opener Edward, playing a straight bat to the hostile comments and helping yourself to an easier one..... ;)
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I have a question Edward
Are you sale in the Uk up or down in the last 2 years
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I believe they are up.
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Long live GM
Can i have a job there?
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You have to get behind mr.brimble as he is next in line
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I'd love to work for GM but I may be a little less corporate than needed....
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I'm sure I saw a few secret handshakes during our trip
Pluss I'm sure you could scrub up if you tried
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there all masonic people
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Long live GM
Can i have a job there?
Only if you are good at forging stickers...
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I have a question Edward
Are you sale in the Uk up or down in the last 2 years
Strange, posted a reply but it hasn't appeared!
Anyway, answer is 43.4%, but unit bat sales are up by rather more than that
Kind regards
Edward
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touché mr lowy...best get those photoshopping skills fine tuned lads.
Still very impressed by the set-up at GM though and the sheer volume being made by them
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Yeah was a great set up even better afterwards when mike outed you as a competitor to the group
Plus nice to see a good sense of humor Edward
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haha we have some way to go until we compete with them....bats isnt our market sector tho....if they do want to protect the Pros heads they sponsor though Edward has my contact details :D
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I'd say your bats were better Tom.
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Your going to say that micheal but I hear ayrteks bat supplier while good is always late?
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You can't rush perfection.
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This analysis I recognise!
Kind regards
Edward
You can recognize whatever you want, but it bears no semblence to the truth.
I repeat, I play mid week cricket against district/grade cricketers on Wednesday's and club cricket on the weekend.
Two games a week in two totally different competitions.
I also spend five hours a week with a bowling machine at a centre where other cricketers from other competitions congregate.
This is in Melbourne, NOT Sydney where I do not claim to know what is happening.
Slazengers popular?
I nearly never see them around. Michael Clarke is one of the most hated celebrities in this country and many newspaper articles are written about that fact - so I hardly think guys want to emulate him by using his bat.
Gray Nicolls are still the most popular brand - fact.
Kookaburra are the second most visible brand on the Melbourne market.
SS are the third most visible brand and their proliferation is such that they will be #1 within the coming years.
At least a third of all cricketers I play with/against use superlite pads - they must be getting them from somewhere because GCCC certainly don't stock them.
I reckon the guys are GCCC are lovely guys on a personal level - but they are really missing a trick by not stocking superlite pads like the GM RSB's and Morrant's etc.
Unltimately, someone somewhere is making a killing selling SS bats and superlite pads...and it is not GCCC.
My guess is that this guy is thanking Baba Ji every night in his prayers, because GCCC short sightedness has been this guys fortune:
http://onlinestockist.com/
If 70% plus of his clientele isn't from Australia, I would be shocked.
Ultimately, I do not give a flying you-know-what how other people run their businesses...that is their business (pun intended).
People will ultimately make whatever decision they wish...and right or wrong, they will defend it steadfastly...even as the administrators are moving in and recievers are appointed.
Best Wishes,
Vic
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has anyone used this opitunity ? On the website, it says that the bat is sold out..
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has anyone used this opitunity ? On the website, it says that the bat is sold out..
I thought I'd test it using PayPal. If it turns out to be rubbish, it's an easy way to get money back rather than chase the Credit Card company, and I don't have to hand over my details.
My despatch date it 8th March, i.e. Tomorrow, so I'll let you know how it goes!
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My despatch date it 8th March, i.e. Tomorrow, so I'll let you know how it goes!
any update mate? do you know if you've managed to get one?
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any update mate? do you know if you've managed to get one?
Still estimated today. I will email them tomorrow if the order page doesn't change!
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A question for GM,
If someone is selling GM bats for half the price than all the other GM stockists and retailers in the UK, then how do you face these guys as this is directly affecting their sales?
Are such sales supported by you? The price is even lower than trade.....
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Still estimated today. I will email them tomorrow if the order page doesn't change!
I received an updated email stating they are still havinng supply problems and they are working with their supplier. And that's they are very sorry.
Echoing Yash's question, how do GM work with suppliers selling top grade kit so cheaply?
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All bat manufacturers sell to trade @ discounted prices. It is down to the shop how much profit they want to make. I bought a woodworm premier torch from this company around 5-7 years ago. I paid £175 where everywhere else it was £200+. the toe split on the bat the next season during nets and I returned it to them. They sent it off to woodworm who refunded sports direct. I had an option of waiting for them to re stock the bat or take £125 that they had paid for the bat.
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All bat manufacturers sell to trade @ discounted prices. It is down to the shop how much profit they want to make. I bought a woodworm premier torch from this company around 5-7 years ago. I paid £175 where everywhere else it was £200+. the toe split on the bat the next season during nets and I returned it to them. They sent it off to woodworm who refunded sports direct. I had an option of waiting for them to re stock the bat or take £125 that they had paid for the bat.
I will be surprised if they are making any profit from selling these bats for £150 unless GM have been extraordinarily generous to them and given them bats at GM's cost price which is highly unlikely unless these were seconds bats.
So, either these are seconds bats or 2010 bats with 2011 stickers (highly unlikely) or the pic on the website is of a 2011 bat but the stock being sold is 2010.....
Edward, any chance you could solve this puzzle/mystery???
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I would guess it's just a mis-price and that the voucher code wasn't necessarily meant for use with these bats. With the price discounted twice it makes them very cheap
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Progress Report.
So far I have received two emails from them telling me they are very sorry and they still don't have stock of my very cheap GM Luna Original. I have asked a question as to when they expect to get stock so will keep the update running.
It's looking like a too good to be true web offer...
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It's looking like a too good to be true web offer...
I think it might be just that.
Our dealings with the organisation behind that website are complicated, to say the least. I guess if something looks too good to be true, it probably is!
Kind regards
Edward
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They will still have to go through with selling the bat at that price tho won't they?
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It wouldnt matter if GCCC stocked SS bats, because they would sell them for $550-$650 AUD. That's how they work, they mark every thing up so much.
Example: When I bought some pads of Julian while having my bat made, they were $90 AUD, but in the GCCC they were selling for $150 or so, so they had marked it up by around 40%. So they just make everything so expensive.
The only problem with SS becoming popular, is that they will inevitabley become more expensive due to their popularity.
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They will still have to go through with selling the bat at that price tho won't they?
no mate they will withdraw from sale.
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Not if they have taken his money as that seals a contract does it not?
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no dont think so, always loop holes...
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Yeah sneaky bast++ds
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Not if they have taken his money as that seals a contract does it not?
They can always say the item is no longer in stock, i ordered a top online the other day in the sale and they just refunded me the money saying unfortunately that item is no longer in stock
im guessing they'l do something similar
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They can always say the item is no longer in stock, i ordered a top online the other day in the sale and they just refunded me the money saying unfortunately that item is no longer in stock
im guessing they'l do something similar
I'm waiting to see, as they keep telling me they'll get it to me... And they haven't taken the money yet, as per the usual process. Payment taken on despatch!
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They cancelled my order.... And didn't bother to tell me.
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Had they taken any money?
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No, and what they said was that basically they were having trouble with suppliers, along the lines of what Edward alluded to in this thread previously.
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tut
massive shame buddy
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tut
massive shame buddy
I was never terribly hopeful which is why I took a lot of precautions when paying!
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Original LE is their Highest grade...those guys who went on the Factory Visit should be able to tell you what DXM means and Stands for, google it would be the 2nd option! :)
Is a shop attached to the factory ?
If so anyone have a tel number?
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No shop on the factory, is all through outlet stores. mapperley is rumoured to have the picks of the bunch (form what i have seen and heard) they are possibly the most local too!
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Owzat have the biggest selection of GM bats I have ever seen, all top quality and good prices.
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fantastic to have access to Edward and I'm certainly one who would be 'all GM' having been a slaz man my whole life. Clearly GM's technology and more importantly end product is market leading, the results of the prior corporate strategy formulation makes it very easy to believe in the brand.
I've posted a couple of times querying various 'icon' bats being used by Trott and Ten Dos, only out of interest, not ridicule. Golf companies do this commonplace, the clubs in the bag of a pro do not resemble the retail offerings (other than cosmetically) and often arent even manufactured in the same place, but most people wouldnt know/care to know this.
If I had a suggestion, without obviously understanding the feasability, and assuming the profile deravations made for pros are CAD, perhaps a limited run (100?) could be made and labled as 'GM custom prototype' for example for Trotts bat, surely from a marketing perspective these would command a premium even to the LE bats? A good way to test the market for product development. if its at all relevant as a case study, the hard core golf market go nuts for anything that is a tour issue prototype.
Anyway, keep up the great work GM.
I did have a chuckle when the players editions were launched - apparently I was onto something way back then.........Hey Ed, pls PM me for my address so you can send me a SW bat for suggesting the idea.......
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Self praise is no praise at all Mr AWP ;)