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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Nickauger on February 23, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
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Words fail me as to how this lower than average cricketer keeps getting picked for England!!
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SAYYYY WHATTTTTTTTT?
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Not watching the T20 then?
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Since he came back into the England Squad after some time out, I think that he looks a far more better and more accomplished batsmen since being out of the squad. Definately worthy a spot in the ODI Team and T20. However Test's cricket may still be a couple of years away in my eyes! :)
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He wouldn't have even played if Buttler didn't split his webbing. He's just rubbish! A S/R of 92 in International T20 os just not good enough!
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I feel as if he would have, he's also a fairly good bowling option! He's also played some fairly crucial innings for the team when required. I've been very impressed since he come back.
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Yeahs hes really batting badly, not holding the innings together at all.
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It's about confidence with Ravi which in recent
years he has lacked big time, it's in there somewhere that straight six off Junaid proved that surely lol
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Why's everyone against him? I rate the lad! :)
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Do you reckon there's a correlation between his scores using a GM bat and scores using GM stickers!?
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That is why!
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Do you reckon there's a correlation between his scores using a GM bat and scores using GM stickers!?
If that was the case then the stickers are worth a lot more runs/money :)
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That is why!
What thats hes got us near a winning position? Who would you have instead of him baring in mind his bowling?
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What? 1 over for 8? Match winning performances! Sorry, there are better players in England. Buttler and Bairstow for 1 are twice the players he is, and still 6 years younger. Bopara has scored how many runs? Against which teams? And how many times when it really matters?
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Who would you play instead of him? And hes got test hundreds, one day hundreds and i meant more his 39 off 32
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He got 2 test hundreds against West Indies, when hardly in their pomp! He's just got a pea heart! Doesn't ever look to dominate the bowling. Would get anyone in there at 3 but him!
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Who would you play instead of him then? This is the third time i have had to ask this
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Bresnan!
baring in mind his bowling?
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I have ato agree with Nickauger, I have never rated him at all. I know he had a couple of good innings in the ODI's but personally have never been a fan of his in the international set up.
And to answer the question of who I'd have playing instead, You could have a bowler or batsmen, as Trott and KP can bowl as well! I think Bopara's bowling is mediocre at best
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But would Bresnan scored the runs though? This innings the bowling looked fine, the batting has just let us down a bit I feel.
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Bresnan!
Well thats a ridiculous selection, thats like playing Lampard as a striker
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I gotta say Ravi from Eng and Rohit Sharma from India are identical cases, they both look really good but lack that little something for the international level.
Lots of potential but thats it potential...
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Why? You said you would pick him because he can bowl a bit! Plenty of people can bat in that line-up. Bopara is a bits and pieces player who is a little bit rubbish at both! You can't use up that many balls, and get out playing a nothing shot like that! And there's no need for your tone really is there? I've made no personal attack on you!
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No im saying its an extra string to his bow and that theres no other viable selection, which you have proved
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I gotta say Ravi from Eng and Rohit Sharma from India are identical cases, they both look really good but lack that little something for the international level.
Lots of potential but thats it potential...
That sums this argument up to a tee!! :D
The End
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Just out of curiosity, would Eng ever bring back Collingwood...He might not look as good but he could stick in there and get some runs,,, i mean compare him to Ravi and my gut would say you could depend more on Colly then Ravi...
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No im saying its an extra string to his bow and that theres no other viable selection, which you have proved
Bresnan is the better player, end of! Heart of an ox, not the size of a pea! i must admit jw17, you seem to be outnumbered!
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I don't think Bopara is a T-20 player.. he has a good technique but have never seen him winning matches for England. To replace Bopara, England have Ian Bell, cook, Trott, Wright..
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I gotta say Ravi from Eng and Rohit Sharma from India are identical cases, they both look really good but lack that little something for the international level.
Lots of potential but thats it potential...
Total rubbish. Sharma has shown to be the real deal. The pressure on Sharma is because he's keeping Shewag/Gambhir/Tendulkar out the side.
Bopara is an ordinary player at best.
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I always thought Bopara was over 30 with all the criticism which comes his way. Was really surprised to see that he is not yet 27. He has a better test record than Morgan for one.
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I don't think Bopara is a T-20 player.. he has a good technique but have never seen him winning matches for England. To replace Bopara, England have Ian Bell, cook, Trott, Wright..
Or any one of those.
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Bresnan is the better player, end of! Heart of an ox, not the size of a pea! i must admit jw17, you seem to be outnumbered!
Me being outnumbered doesn't make me wrong, and there is nothing wrong with Bopara as a player, hes a good bat, a very viable option with the ball and a fine fielder
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I always thought Bopara was over 30 with all the criticism which comes his way. Was really surprised to see that he is not yet 27. He has a better test record than Morgan for one.
Morgan might've flogged the pathetic Windies around if he got the chance
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Lol
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I didn't like Bopara 'til this series, however he has proved that he deserves a place. Two 50's in the first two ODI's when the rest of the batsmen crumbled around him. Without Bopara, Cook wouldn't have got a century in either matches.. He then top scores in this T20 at a decent S/R. What does he have to do to get recognition?
You can't replace Bopara with Bresnan, especially at the moment.
Pietersen and Kieswetter can be very unpredictable, Morgan is out of form, Bairstow is playing fairly averagely and Buttler is still getting used to international cricket. You remove Bopara and the team is going to crumble. Bopara is a batsmen who can bowl abit, Bresnan is a bowler who can bat abit. At this time we need to focus more on our batting than our bowling..
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Not a fan of Bopara nor Butler! Both over-rated as is Tendulkar
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Morgan might've flogged the pathetic Windies around if he got the chance
As I have mentioned before taking the same line if you take out Bangladesh from Ian Bell's record his average also comes down quite a lot...
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I don't think Bopara is a T-20 player.. he has a good technique but have never seen him winning matches for England. To replace Bopara, England have Ian Bell, cook, Trott, Wright..
Trott doesn't have the adaptability to score at a fast enough rate to play T20's, Wright has proved time and time again that he is about as reliable as a british train... Cook hasn't done much in 20/20's and him being in the team would undermine Broad and Bell has done very little in the shorter forms of the game.. Bopara has adapted has game and is scoring runs at a good rate, don't understand why people are hating on him..
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As I have mentioned before taking the same line if you take out Bangladesh from Ian Bell's record his average also comes down quite a lot...
I've never considered stats vs Bangladesh in an players career figures.
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Not a fan of Bopara nor Butler! Both over-rated as is Tendulkar
You like any players then?
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Huge fan of Martin Guptill
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Must admit, Buttler hasn't covered himself in glory after being given a wonderful opportunity. The boy can certainly play though! Bopara did the hard work then lost his head. I have never seen him win a game for England and using up that many balls, what he did was criminal. He got extremely lucky in the first ODI, being missed stumped and dropped, then played alright in the 2nd, but only alright! When was his last Intl. ton. how many teams look at the England team sheet with him in it, and quake in their boots? He's a passenger and obviously someone's favourite.
2 years ago, Trott scored the most T20 runs in the season, at a lick higher than 100. He also has quality in spades.
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Huge fan of Martin Guptill
I'm personally not a fan, but love watching big Jesse
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Jonathan Trott is a fine 2020 player, first to score 1000 runs in domestic 2020 and is just class, its always puzzled me why he isnt in the 2020 squad.
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Not a fan of Bopara nor Butler! Both over-rated as is Tendulkar
Huge fan of Martin Guptill
These made me laugh reds! aha! How is ST over rated? aha!
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These made me laugh reds! aha! How is ST over rated? aha!
Since Tendulkar got to his 99th century in my opinion he has been batting for himself and not the team...
Guptill purely because the way he plays with his disability is astonishing again in my opinion dude
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Jonathan Trott is a fine 2020 player, first to score 1000 runs in domestic 2020 and is just class, its always puzzled me why he isnt in the 2020 squad.
There you are then, we agree that Trott would be better in the team than Bopara! End of argument. I would say it's been a pleasure but I'd be lying ;)
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Since Tendulkar got to his 99th century in my opinion he has been batting for himself and not the team...
Guptill purely because the way he plays with his disability is astonishing again in my opinion dude
Disability? What's his disability? please share.
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Disability? What's his disability? please share.
Missing 2 toes on one of his feet after a forklift accident
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It's actually 3 toes missing lol
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There you are then, we agree that Trott would be better in the team than Bopara! End of argument. I would say it's been a pleasure but I'd be lying ;)
I think he should be in the side instead of morgan/buttler/bairstow!
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I've not read the whole thread, but having watched the whole game today, and all of Ravi's innings I still don't think he is better than other players for that number 3 place in T/20s. Despite top scoring I felt he was putting pressure on other players to score, he's not a match winner for England, or a player the opposition fears. He is an average all-rounder in international terms and don't think he'll ever improve enough.
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It's actually 3 toes missing lol
Spot on Reds
His nickname is 'Marty Two Toes' :D
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Spot on Reds
His nickname is 'Marty Two Toes' :D
Class nickname! :D, top banter!
But surely he has 7 toes all together including the other foot? ;)
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Class nickname! :D, top banter!
But surely he has 7 toes all together including the other foot? ;)
According to the source it was made up by Scott Styris, so enough said really lol
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i suspect the people responsible for selecting the squads and teams have a deeper insight into who deserves to play and whether or not they are good enough
they see what happens behind the scenes and just generally know whats right
you can moan about boparas selection but it wont change anything, hes playing well at the moment give him credit
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bopara is not good enough to represent england, this has been proven over a period of time and i dont think a couple of 50s and a 35 against pakistan change that. his only defence would be runs against west indies in 2009, but it is fairly obvious now that these were a flash in the pan against a poor, disinterested and demoralised opposition.
buttler and taylor are the future. for englands sake (and after so many opportunities), lets forget about ravi
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I think the thing people are forgetting is that you can't just chuck tons of youngsters into the team and expect them to perform to a top standard in a short space of time. Kieswetter is unreliable, Morgan out of form plus Bairstow and Buttler are still new to the team and finding their feet. You can't expect any of those players to steady the ship mid innings and lead England on towards a big total. Until our other batsmen start hitting major form, we NEED Bopara in the team to play the same role that Misbah plays for Pakistan.
The youngsters need to be playing around more senior players like Bopara 'til they find their feet, if you chuck in Taylor then you are going to have 3 inexperienced batsmen in one after the other, they will put pressure on each other and stop themselves from improving. After the T20 world cup when they all have more experience, then put Taylor in the team.
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But he doesn't play the same role that misbah does. All you need to do is compare their records over the last 12 months, and you'll realise that they are miles apart.
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Misbah-ul-Haq 26 from 26 - Ravi Bopara 39 from 32... I would say he did a better job..
Look, I understand that you don't like him, I didn't before this series. But he has played miles better than almost every other England batsmen(Excluding Pietersen and Cook). If we drop him now, we might aswell condemn ourselves to getting terrible T20 scores for the next year..
Why don't we drop Morgan instead? Ohh yes because of his reputation. He has done **** all this series and yet nobody wants to get rid of him. Why do you lot prefer players with big reputations who are doing nothing, over players with very little reputation playing very well?
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Im not a massive ravi fan. He is definately not a long term option for england but if he keeps picking up decent little knocks here and there then he will help bring on the others. Everyone needs to step up and score runs. with the exception of cook and KP nobody has scored decent runs in limited overs cricket on this tour. Ravi has improved recently. not sure if the same would have happened against a top class team (south africa etc). dont get me wrong pakistan are a good team but can be a little hit and miss. sometimes they are on fire and bowlers are on top. the next they look like they would rather be somewhere else. Whether we like it or not Ravi is here to stay for the time being anyway. He's liked by the management so unless his form drops significantly or someone starts scoring runs for fun hes gonna play.
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Morgan is almost like KP. Very hard to drop because (like you say) of their reputations.
If KP had been dropped like a number of people were calling for, he wouldn't have had back to back hundreds and match winning knocks.
The Top 10 batsmen in International T20's were put into there current positions and Morgan was top by 20- odd points!
Who was Second???? KP!
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I see Bopara as having lots of talent but very little mental strength. I go back to the ODI England tied with India when he made 98 (I think). Brilliant knock in itself but the winning line was in sight, as was his ton and he tried bringing it up with a 6 and was caught on the boundary. Put Morgan (or Bairstow and Buttler from what i've seen of them) in the same situation and England win that match.
I'm not sure you can use his bowling as a reason to get him into the side either - i'm sure Cook just uses him as a change bowler to give him some flexibility with overs later in the innings!
I agree with Rohit Sharma being a class act, he looks a very good player to me, hopefully his technique and mindset is not shot to pieces by the satanic IPL!
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I agree with Rohit Sharma being a class act, he looks a very good player to me, hopefully his technique and mindset is not shot to pieces by the satanic IPL!
I think Rohit is mentality spent. He was backed by Dhoni, but failed to register a big score to justify his selection.
Dhoni has been slaughtered in the Indian press for keeping Rohit, Raina and Jadeja in the side. Many Indians wanted Shewag/Gambhir/Tendulkar is the side plus Tiwary, who scored a 100 in his last ODI!
Coupled with the open rift Shewag and Dhoni are having, it seems the Indian dressing room is fractioned.
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I like Sri Lanka, they just get on with it. You don't hear them moaning about green tops or balls bouncing at a normal height.
Been to England, SA and Aus in the last year and haven't done to badly. Not the greatest side on the planet but they have some class performers and the rest chip in. Definitely greater than the parts.
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I like Sri Lanka, they just get on with it. You don't hear them moaning about green tops or balls bouncing at a normal height.
Been to England, SA and Aus in the last year and haven't done to badly. Not the greatest side on the planet but they have some class performers and the rest chip in. Definitely greater than the parts.
SL don't have the clout of their neighbours India, so even if they moaned no one would listen.
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So let me get this right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
playing for England against teams like West Indies etc doesnt mean jack if you get runs? Give over people.
Average (edited) player? Again, give over. Yes he had a naff 2011 season, but i am sure he will score bundles if playing county this year.
He will be playing 1 day and T20 for some time yet as he is a very very decent player.
If someone wants a rant about a player WORTH ranting on about how poor they are, I give you SAMIT PATEL.
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I rate Samit Patel.
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I rate Samit Patel.
April 1st is not for a while yet ;)
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I rate Samit Patel.
And me! His bowling so far has been better than expected
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So let me get this right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
playing for England against teams like West Indies etc doesnt mean jack if you get runs? Give over people.
Average (edited) player? Again, give over. Yes he had a naff 2011 season, but i am sure he will score bundles if playing county this year.
He will be playing 1 day and T20 for some time yet as he is a very very decent player.
If someone wants a rant about a player WORTH ranting on about how poor they are, I give you SAMIT PATEL.
I completely agree re: Samit Patel but Bopara just isn't any better! And getting runs against a (No Swearing Please) windies team does mean (No Swearing Please) all if you can't do it against anyone else.
If someone told me I was good enough to play for england, I just needed to lose some weight.... I would be in the gym 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The arrogance of the lad to not get in the gym and in fact get fatter is shameful. Makes me so angry! Raised with a silver spoon in his mouth to espect everything to come easily to him. AND... he's stiill fat and useless now, certainly the weak link in the fielding unit!
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And me! His bowling so far has been better than expected
Thanks! Someone who agree's! I also fancy that after the series just gone he has also upped his game in the field :)
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Raised with a silver spoon in his mouth
And a few pies
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And a few pies
May like his pies, but he's done of good job in the field and with the ball in the ODI series just gone.
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May like his pies, but he's done of good job in the field and with the ball in the ODI series just gone.
He bowled alot of buffet balls. Think he took 2 or 3 wickets in the whole of this 1 days games and went for oooooodles of runs.
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4th best bowler in the series, whats wrong with that?
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=6860;type=series
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Out bowled the great Shahid Afridi.
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4th best bowler in the series, whats wrong with that?
[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=6860;type=series[/url]
Taking wickets is ideal, he didnt really do that.
Not going for many runs, he also didnt do that. He went for 169 runs @ over 5 runs per over.
Sometimes you need a bowler who can bowl tight or take wickets. He failed on both KEY parts of being a bowler.
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certainly the weak link in the fielding unit!
obviously you did not watch the recent games, he's actually fielded very well. Took a brilliant low catch a couple games ago.
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And dropped at least 2 dollies. He made the diving catch look a darn sight better than he should have done by falling over.
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He took 5 wickets and was the 4th best bowler? I don't see anything wrong with that.
He also took a couple of bloody good catches in the field.
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He took 5 wickets and was the 4th best bowler? I don't see anything wrong with that.
He also took a couple of bloody good catches in the field.
No you're quite right, for an average cricketer, whom you expect very little of, 5 wickets at 33.8 is a decent return
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For me I see something in Ravi which says he could be a top performer. He hasn't yet really delivered but he some how seems to have qualities that others don't. He seems to have more time to select his shot than anyone I've seen since Gower played. He may be too laid back for his own good, or so it seems. He clearly has talent and that's probably why he's so frustrating as we are all expecting much more.
It makes me laugh when some of you say if you take away his hundreds against the West Indies he would be a poor player. If we took away all of Bell's failures against Australia he would be a world beater, if we discounted Tendulkers hundreds he'd be average, if we took off Hayden's 390 against Zim his average wouldn't look so good, if we discounted the England players performances against the West Indies during the 80's we'd have been a good team. That's why we measure players by their AVERAGE!
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No you're quite right, for an average cricketer, whom you expect very little of, 5 wickets at 33.8 is a decent return
You say about average cricketers, why've we got a piece of rubbish like Kieswetter behind the stumps?
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kieswetter is terrible, bairstow needs to take the gloves i think
Nickauger you seem to have a massive hatred for Bopara, its getting boring now youv made your point
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Bairstow, Buttler or maybe even Cross. Quite a fan of him too! :)
There's nothing even wrong with Bopara or Patel.
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Cross is a bit fair out of the radar, but I rate him.
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not seen much of him, like you said he's off the radar a bit with butler and bairstow around, and i think theyd even go back to prior before cross got a look in
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I doubt Cross will even get a look in to be honest. But just saying that I rate him :)
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kieswetter is terrible, bairstow needs to take the gloves i think
Nickauger you seem to have a massive hatred for Bopara, its getting boring now youv made your point
I'm whinging about Fatel now and I'm not bored yet :)
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I can't see what he or Bopara have done wrong since they've come back into the ODI squads.
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You're right! I will get down off of my high horse and wait for them to get dropped again!
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Yeah ok.
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I think what infuriates me most is that they are both super talented but Bopara hasn't reached it consistently, and Patel was too lazy to notice it until too late.
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Bopara was consistent in the Eng V Ind in England I thought. When we was in Ind, he didn't do much, but neither did anyone! And now I feels he's impressed in the UAE.
I've always rated Patel and I don't think that'll change.
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Now Ravi's sponsorship with GM has finished, who will tap him up to use their stuff now do you think? I think Warsop will not be able to afford him now.
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All warsop wil, need to do is give him stickers, he'll find the bats!
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Cant believe GM let him go just as he has got a spot in the test team with Morgan dropped. Shocking by GM. My money is on Puma or Addidas now they lost Bell to Kook.
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All warsop wil, need to do is give him stickers, he'll find the bats!
Or the bats will find him :D
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“@ravibopara: Big thank you to Gunn & Moore for sponsoring me for last 4 years. Played my last game with GM last night. Shame I didn't get any. #whatnext”
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Good
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Adidas is my guess
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sareen sports might be in with a shout
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Gonna cost a wedge if the numbers I heard being banded around today were true!!
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spartan maybe?
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I wouldn't sponsor him a lollipop.
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Gonna cost a wedge if the numbers I heard being banded around today were true!!
go on how much? lol
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Came across this today. That bat is HUGE!!!
(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/142554.jpg)
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was 6 figures :(
Adidas? He is an SRT wannabe!
SS isn't a bad shout
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Hey Guys
Met both Ravi and Monty today at an opening for a chicken shop in tooting yes another chicken shop in South London
He confirmed he was using SS and will be sponsored by them
Came straight from the horses mouth so lets see
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SS would be a surprise to me as i know he likes their bats and HAS used them in the past.
I did get some stick from some on here when i said that he used 'asian' bats which were not GM.
Has SS got alot of money to throw about for an 'English' sponsored player? I mean, will people in the Uk go out and buy a SS bat because Ravinder Bopara uses one?
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SS would be a surprise to me as i know he likes their bats and HAS used them in the past.
I did get some stick from some on here when i said that he used 'asian' bats which were not GM.
Has SS got alot of money to throw about for an 'English' sponsored player? I mean, will people in the Uk go out and buy a SS bat because Ravinder Bopara uses one?
Yeah I find that hard to believe too.
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I mean that it is different from using and liking a bat, but being sponsored by a brand is different. If SS have the money to put into him using their bats or other kit, then good luck to them, but it wont be cheap.
I cannot see people going out buy SS stuff because he uses it.
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GM made a set of pads with his initials on them. That speaks volumes IMO
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GM made a set of pads with his initials on them. That speaks volumes IMO
you make a fair point! have never seen anyone use them though!
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No, personally I dont like them.
There is quite a debate on them in the 'Who has the lightest pads' thread.
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I agree, i don't like them either!
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Guptill purely because the way he plays with his disability is astonishing again in my opinion dude
This article is for Reds :) enjoy
http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/554787.html
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Still hasn't signed for anyone http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/ravi-bopara-of-england-has-a-bat-in-the-nets-during-the-news-photo/141209303
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He has a CA though