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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Johnny on January 14, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
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Any thoughts on this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/england-cricketer-sarah-taylor-mens-match (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/england-cricketer-sarah-taylor-mens-match)
I know that England cricketer Arran Brindle was the first female to score a century in an men's ECB Premier Division (albeit the Lincs Prem, which is generally regarded as pretty weak) - I thin kthis could be good for the game and I hope she gets a shot and does well.
Can anyone work out what shot she's trying to play in the action shot in thei article though?
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Any thoughts on this?
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/england-cricketer-sarah-taylor-mens-match[/url] ([url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/england-cricketer-sarah-taylor-mens-match[/url])
I know that England cricketer Arran Brindle was the first female to score a century in an men's ECB Premier Division (albeit the Lincs Prem, which is generally regarded as pretty weak) - I thin kthis could be good for the game and I hope she gets a shot and does well.
Can anyone work out what shot she's trying to play in the action shot in thei article though?
Yeah it's pretty garbage as far as ECB leagues go, but a ton is a ton mate! Erm I'd assume it would be some sort of swat to leg?
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Quality, good luck to her. Can only be good for the game
I like watching her bat, very wristy and inventive
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Fair play I hope she does well and gets her shot in county games as top top keeper and very good bat
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Can't be allowed to happen. How can a county bowler bowl a bouncer at a woman, they can't - she will end up getting hurt.
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Can't be allowed to happen. How can a county bowler bowl a bouncer at a woman, they can't - she will end up getting hurt.
i think its down to her choice, she knows the dangers and it could happen in the womans game. Good luck to her, she hits it very hard!!
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I dont think its right
And surely Sussex could find a male keeper if needed at short notice from their youth set-up or even local league. I dont think she would be good enough both batting and keeping wise, not at all. I'd fancy myself to do a better job than her, does that mean I will get a call up?
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She is a very capable keeper, and one of the leading batswoman in the game. She'll hold her own I'm sure!!
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She is a very capable keeper, and one of the leading batswoman in the game. She'll hold her own I'm sure!!
This. I've watched her bat live a few times. She is utter class. And her keeping is fantastic, she'll be fine.
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I think it's brilliant and she will hold her own as a keeper no problem.
I have watched a lot of women's cricket over the last few years and the standard of fielding and batting is superb. The fast bowling is not quite there but it will come.
My daughter is currently being coached by ex England player Caroline Atkins as part of the Somerset EPP. She is a fantastic player and played for Taunton st Andrews 2nds last year in the wepl. She scored plenty of runs including a hindered. That 2nd x1 wepl is better than most play on here.
The coaches at Sussex must think she is good enough so I think it's fantastic for women's crickets and could be the break through.
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I dont think its right
And surely Sussex could find a male keeper if needed at short notice from their youth set-up or even local league. I dont think she would be good enough both batting and keeping wise, not at all. I'd fancy myself to do a better job than her, does that mean I will get a call up?
Clearly not mate, just because you think your better than her, doesnt mean anyone else does!
Ive seen her play about 10 times id say, and her batting for a woman is incredibly powerful and she obviously has a lot of skill with the bat and gloves! It says a lot for the way the womans game is progressing that it is being considers, and says a lot about the mentality of some people that just because she is a woman we shouldnt let her play!
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whats the difference between her keeping in the county 2's game or the 14 yr old that yorkshire used a season or two ago? (think it was yorks). if anything she is probably stronger,fitter and better equipped to play at that level than he was. no matter what we think i doubt very much there are any better players on here let alone in the county 2's/ higher league cricket than her. good luck to her and i hope she does really well.
You would also hope that a county 2's bowler would want to be in the headlines for getting her out and not knocking her head off!
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it was a tongue in cheek comment Ciaran
Do we think she would be ok against the quicker bowling? more aggressive bowling such as short pitched stuff? and the quicker bowling when she is keeping, a slightly bigger ball. it would be a big step up for her. I have no doubt she is world class in the womens game.
I just dont see how she would be a better option than anyone else available at sussex
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Got to say that anyone on here that says she doesn't deserve a chance really needs a long hard look at themselves and basically sort themselves out.
What a great opportunity and great moment for the sport, I hope there is more that get the chance.
She is absolute quality with the gloves and just because she doesn't smash the ball out the ground and is probably better that most county players at miniupating (no jokes please) the field.
I just hope that she can handle the extra pace, but them again just because the women may not be as strong as the men I doubt this has any restrcition on her reactions which means there shouldn't be a problem really.
You don't exactly see anyone getting bounced out in Womens cricket, but even if thats to with the pace of the bowlers it means they can handle the pace they bowl and more.
At 2nd XI level she's not exactly going to get 90mph bouncers coming down so don't see why she should fail
At the end of the day there are still the odd few keepers around county level that are outright keepers of which Taylor is probably as good if not better so don't see why some people above think that by the sounds of it she is expected to score a ton every match or she is no good
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Can't be allowed to happen. How can a county bowler bowl a bouncer at a woman, they can't - she will end up getting hurt.
She would probably nail it better than most of us mate...seems a bit of a harsh comment
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She would probably nail it better than most of us mate...seems a bit of a harsh comment
Bouncers hurt men too, would you tell a male friend not to play county cricket as they'd get hurt?
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Good point - I reckon a good 80% of men who play the game in general would struggle with a 85-95mph bouncer.
Ask Keiron Pollard, he'll tell you he's never smashed all of the ones he has faced ;)
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Not many fast bowlers in county second x1
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Very few county bowlers I've seen get it up to and beyond 90mph most around the 85 mark
I bet she would be practising that on bowling machine to see if she could do it as bowlers would target that as no mercy
Man woman top order or tailender a wicket is a wicket
Played against a woman indoor other week and Wilkie will agree she was good and was getting ball around throat indoor so held her own
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I know she won't be facing that sort of pace, just trying to say that I'm pretty confident she could hold her own also.
I'm a huge fan of hers, and another reason why I love this sport. All for it personally. She's a professional sportswoman, I find it hard to believe that 1) she would put herself in a position where she could fail badly and 2) Sussex wouldn't be giving her the chance unless she was capable.
Good luck to her
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I think you are over estimating the standard of county second x1 cricket and underestimating the standard of women's international cricket. From what I have seen the women's is better.
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Can't be allowed to happen. How can a county bowler bowl a bouncer at a woman, they can't - she will end up getting hurt.
And so might Women on the front line in our army, yet they have the guts to do it. Are you not happy for women to be on our front line either because they might get hurt?
Its quite shocking that you thing just 'because she is a women' she wouldn't be able to handle it and get hurt not take her for the fact she is extremely talaneted and as said before more than likely better than anyone on this forum
I don't have the balls to fight on the front line but I have the deepest respect for any man OR women that does it so I think its her choice if she wants to 'risk' getting hurt it whatever activity she chooses to do so wheter it be army or sport
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If Holly is good enough, then fair enough. But let's see how she fairs in Premier League cricket first.
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premier 1 cricket is better than county second x1. Well it is in the west of England prem 1.
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If she's not good enough she will be found out, simple as that
Shouldn't knock someone for trying
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I can't help feel this is a bit of a stunt however if Sussex believe she can progress to full Sussex first team then fair enough and good luck, you won't know unless you give them a shot. I've seen some VERY average people play twos cricket.
That being said over the last 6 yeasr Sussex has had a keepers at most levels within the England set up. I'd be surprised if it went that far downhill since Peter Moores left that there was no youth keepers coming through a heavily male biased set up.
I'm probably being unkind but I think the worst thing would happen is she plays gets skittled and that's the opportunity wasted, perhaps it's better to have a decent average at club cricket first. Her current club is Brighton but she's not played a game for them yet!!
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Her current club is Brighton but she's not played a game for them yet!!
Isn't this her?
http://brightonandhove.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=85289&ruleTypeID=6101 (http://brightonandhove.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=85289&ruleTypeID=6101)
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Isn't this her?
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It is although she didn't play for us last year. She played for Finchley Gunns, presumeably because she was based in London on the MCC young cricketers scheme.
With her playing mens cricket in Birmingham this year maybe she is based there this summer if she is no longer on the MCC scheme. Would make sense given the amount of training they do at Loughborough
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I can only see it as being positive, got nothing to lose and its a great opportunity and for me just shows how far womens cricket has come to the fore and possibly improved, i hope it goes well and possibly paves the way for more opportunities like this
Sussex clearly believe she's good enough or wouldn't have handed her the opportunity
we cant really judge until we see the results but from what ive seen of her batting (mainly on sky coverage) it seems solid and the sky commentary team, rarely have a bad word to say, so good luck to her
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Can't be allowed to happen. How can a county bowler bowl a bouncer at a woman, they can't - she will end up getting hurt.
Leo, that's an incredibly small world view you have there. If women can dive into burning buildings or run some of the worlds biggest companies, why can't they play cricket alongside men? All are using the same training facilities and all have bowling machines that will hit 100mph. What difference does it really make?
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As mentioned in the article Arran Brindle has scored a ton in the Lincs league and has faced some extremely good bowlers (including Fahad Masood - averages 23 in Pakistani FC cricket, and is about as quick as you get over there!), and when I watched her score 80 last year she seemed to face some fairly sharp bowling (and a large amount of bouncers as well...) so I'd imagine that Sarah Taylor, being even better, would be able to deal with it.
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I agree Tim
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Good luck to here I say Leo she faces quicker bowling than most on here and as keiron has rightly already said his daughter plays wepl 2nd eleven which is a very high standard
I have no problem and if she gets a chance and does well fair play.
I was never good enough to make that grade she obviously is so good luck
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Sorry Tom you lost me. I was Just saying that the wepl prem 1 team of say bath or this years Bridgwater would beat Somerset 2nd x1.
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Tom have you ever played wepl...
Talk is cheap bud I only played league 1 and I tell you for me there not much better in club cricket thn the wepl not anywhere and if there is I haven't seen it and I have seen most club cricket baring the odd club here and there Ealing springs to mind .
Keiron is a fair judge of the league being one of the best batsman for a long period
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I haven't played any standard of cricket. But I would like a cricketer to prove themselves in a high level of club cricket, before moving up to play 2nd XI cricket.
Men have to do it. And so should Sarah Taylor.
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I was just trying to say that if you look at the top teams in the wepl then they are made up of the best up and coming players in the county, players that have not quite made it and probably most important hardened players that have played first class cricket for years.
Where as certainly Somerset seconds is made up of school boys and the odd first teamer looking for practice after injury.
Sussex might be different but I think she will more than hold her own in thier seconds. It's great for women's cricket anyway.
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I haven't played any standard of cricket. But I would like a cricketer to prove themselves in a high level of club cricket, before moving up to play 2nd XI cricket.
Men have to do it. And so should Sarah Taylor.
Tom do you not believe representing your country at the sport would normally be a high enough level?
If you watch Hope Solo play in Goal the US womans team, she is easily good enough to play in the MLS
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None of Somerset seconds have proved themselfsbin club cricket. It's mostly made up of Millfield school boys. Nothing wrong with that as the best club cricketers can't afford the time off work to play anyway.
In fact a few players have failed big time at club cricket but have gone on to have great county careers. Suppia and Neil Edwards being two.
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Tom do you not believe representing your country at the sport would normally be a high enough level?
If you watch Hope Solo play in Goal the US womans team, she is easily good enough to play in the MLS
No. Different intensitys. Different kinds of bowlers. And a different standard.
I think it would make sense to give her a run against some quicker bowlers in Premier Leagues and seeing how she gets on.
If she gets on okay, then by all means - but IMO she should be in there on merit for her performances in the Mens game.
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Shes won a World Cup and a T20 World Cup which is pretty impressive, i get the point about bowling speeds but your average 2nd XI cricketer doesnt have these types of intense pressure games on their CV.
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The decks will be much quicker and truer in county cricket than in club cricket. As a keeper this certainly helps not having the variable bounce. As a batsman she will bat on better wickets in county seconds than in club cricket.
Sussex obviously know what they are doing and I will be watching to see how she goes. Fingers crossed she does well but there will be plenty ready to slate her if she fails. I guess she knows that.
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None of Somerset seconds have proved themselfsbin club cricket. It's mostly made up of Millfield school boys. Nothing wrong with that as the best club cricketers can't afford the time off work to play anyway.
In fact a few players have failed big time at club cricket but have gone on to have great county careers. Suppia and Neil Edwards being two.
Both very fair points, and there are lots of issues around the standard of 2nd XI cricket - but for me I'll always see it as a route for young players to force themselves into 1st XI cricket for their county.
Would you make Sarah's first game against male bowlers in what would be a highly publicised County 2nd XI game?
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Interesting that Sarah feels she needs to prove herself in club cricket too.
"I've still got so much to look forward to, especially in men's cricket. But I need to see how well I go in club cricket first."
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Honestly we should celebrate this moment of Cricket as a new breakthrough. A new landmark.
Jag.
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Both very fair points, and there are lots of issues around the standard of 2nd XI cricket - but for me I'll always see it as a route for young players to force themselves into 1st XI cricket for their county.
Would you make Sarah's first game against male bowlers in what would be a highly publicised County 2nd XI game?
Interesting that Sarah feels she needs to prove herself in club cricket too.
"I've still got so much to look forward to, especially in men's cricket. But I need to see how well I go in club cricket first."
From what Ive read about Sarah in the past, she has a lot of self doubt! That does seem to disappear when she goes out into the middle though!
Also Im assuming netting with the Mens 2nds and other will sharpen her up further!
P.S what id give for a private net session with Danni Wyatt!
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Love to see her score a hundred, think it would be a great advert for the womens game
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Isn't this her?
[url]http://brightonandhove.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=85289&ruleTypeID=6101[/url] ([url]http://brightonandhove.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=85289&ruleTypeID=6101[/url])
Yes, my point was that she hadn't played men's club cricket for them.
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From what Ive read about Sarah in the past, she has a lot of self doubt! That does seem to disappear when she goes out into the middle though!
Also Im assuming netting with the Mens 2nds and other will sharpen her up further!
Women's cricket is seen as a lower standard to mens, which is why they have the seperate sides. But no-one knows how far apart they are. A few of the England women's side play 2nd and 3rd XI cricket for their local clubs, others play Premier League - perhaps they could player higher, perhaps not. A women playing Men's county cricket (albeit 2nd XI) would be a great step for the sport and it does excite me greatly, but with it being such a big step it should be treated carefully.
Neither Sarah or Sussex have said she's definitely playing 2nd XI cricket, and they both appear to be taking a stance of 'let's see how it goes'. That completely aligns with my view, and I'm surprised many on here disagree with it.
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Im not disagreeing that she will need to develop her game, more my belief is that it would be a great thing for womens cricket and possibly the uptake of juniors if someone got to this level.
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Cracking day for cricket! Some of the top women are some of the best 'players' (both male and female) there are around in the country. I'm hoping she gets stuck in and gets some runs and proves the doubters wrong. IMO all county 2nd xi's should be formed from the best players playing that counties league system anyway, not just the rich boys club or so and so's son etc.
A couple of people have mentioned the Lincs ECB Prem and WEPL with degree's of 'this is good, this is bad'... What is the current 'thinking' of which ECB Prem leagues are the 'strongest' and which are the 'weakest'. I'm hoping it's not just based on the odd top side but more on the overall strength of every side.
Just interested to see why the WEPL is regarded so highly etc.
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Because when I played every team was pritty much stocked with quality there was no filling in there was no letting up
I have played in 5 other premier league types and not one of them leagues had the quantity and quality of teams and the players
Most premier leagues are very regionalised
The wepl I know takes the best from a few counties
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I think it's great she's going to play = if you're good enough, you're old enough etc etc
I've netted next to an England women's player at Taunton and she was fantastic. Playing shots at speeds I can only dream of.
Best of luck to her :)
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I only know the WEPL Adi so can't comment on the other leagues.
Back in the late 80's my brother in law used to travel to play in the Birmingham league to play for smethick as the standard was better there then (he was the pro with Steve Waugh and used to travel together !)
I think Prem 1 has improved since then but the other divisions are much of a muchness.
I used to play for the pick of the league side which was a good opportunity to play against other league. Don't think they do that anymore ?
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Because when I played every team was pritty much stocked with quality there was no filling in there was no letting up
I have played in 5 other premier league types and not one of them leagues had the quantity and quality of teams and the players
Most premier leagues are very regionalised
The wepl I know takes the best from a few counties
You are in an excellent position to comment Dave having played in a few leagues.
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no idea why but I assumed the Brum league would be up there, Yorkshire leagues, London leagues. Just interested to know where the Northants league rates :) (can't remember for sure but I think that has sides from surrounding counties in there too so it's not actually just Northants.
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I would really like to see this happen. I have seen a few women play in 2nd, 3rd eleven cricket in and around Kent over the past few years. Yes some have looked way out of place but many have held there own. Especially on the bowling department.
I think that as long as she has good tech (and playing international cricket at any level) she obviously has she will be fine. Se may need to stand a yard or two further back to the quicks but she will be fine I reckon.
Good for the game in my opinion.
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Fair play to her, I wish her the best of luck.
However, truth be told, this is a [sad] reflection on the standard of country Second team cricket.
In fairness I have not seen her play, so I'm talking a little bit out of turn, because it could be that she is the most amazing woman player ever. That could be the case, and like I said, fair play to her.
But I side with Tom a bit here, I find it almost impossible to believe that she will go on to play first class cricket, and so surly there must be some "better" prospect that Sussex could get hold of? So even if she does do well in the 2's, it will be great for her, but I can't see it doing a lot for Sussex.
I remember when Lengie played for us at Leeds/Bradford, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Leng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Leng)), it was hard for her, and I'm not sure it was the right thing for the team if I'm honest. Likewise when Charlotte Edward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Edwards)) netted with us at Northants a few times - only the colts side, it was a big step up for her, and I think maybe a bit to big.
I can't think of any other sport - apart form mixed doubles - where men and women play together - are there any others??
The difference in strength is to much...
We're not talking about playing with rotund, balding, 40 years olds here, this is a professional game, played by talented, fit, strong young men...
But like Kerion said, second team cricket is not what it used to be, its mostly young kids, so fair play to her, and good luck if she gets the nod.
no idea why but I assumed the Brum league would be up there, Yorkshire leagues, London leagues. Just interested to know where the Northants league rates :) (can't remember for sure but I think that has sides from surrounding counties in there too so it's not actually just Northants.
Northants prem is about middeling. Only Peterborough play from out side the county, as the standard of cricket in the cams and hunts prems is not very good - apparently.
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I think county cricket in general is not what it used to be. With central contracts none of the elite England players play county cricket. With the IPL, Big Bash, etc the good overseas players go and play that ahead of county cricket. If you do get a good overseas player come and play it is usually for a month or two at best.
That said, Womens cricket has advance hugely over the past 5 years and are definitely catching the men (at county standard) up.
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Northants prem is about middeling. Only Peterborough play from out side the county, as the standard of cricket in the cams and hunts prems is not very good - apparently.
Boo.. Oh well. Middle isn't bad I suppose. I can't comment on the quality of county 2nd xi really as i've never seen it or the strength of 1st xi but as Kieron says, with the lack of top quality regular overseas guys playing that has to hurt the overall quality.
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It can only be a plus. Either she see that she's out of her depth, learn from it and get better still or she won't be and this will help promote women's cricket more.
Every major change has to have a first step and this could be it for women's cricket.
To be honest, about the strength argument, it's not one on one physical fitness that you need, just a determination to succeed.
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http://womenincricket.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://womenincricket.blogspot.co.uk/)
Most recent post is on the subject matter.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/601319.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/601319.html)
Same article here.
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I can't think of any other sport - apart form mixed doubles - where men and women play together - are there any others??
Wheelchair rugby?
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It's only a plus for us.
I know loads of women who play for mens team including myself. most men complain because their ego's have been stamped on because she got in a mens county side whilest they weren't good enough. Get over it.
Not only is she a fantastic cricketer she is a driven person and i'm sure she'll do great in the mens league.
She will promote womens cricket and cricket alround as the game that WHO EVER YOU ARE YOU CAN JOIN IN! that's the point right?
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It's only a plus for us.
I know loads of women who play for mens team including myself. most men complain because their ego's have been stamped on because she got in a mens county side whilest they weren't good enough. Get over it.
Not only is she a fantastic cricketer she is a driven person and i'm sure she'll do great in the mens league.
She will promote womens cricket and cricket alround as the game that WHO EVER YOU ARE YOU CAN JOIN IN! that's the point right?
Essentially agree with this^
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played against middlesex ladies a few years back for my club
technically their batters were far better than ours too. myself included :)
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Stand by what I said... If I could bowl 80mph+ I would not be able to bring myself to bowl that at a woman!
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Stand by what I said... If I could bowl 80mph+ I would not be able to bring myself to bowl that at a woman!
But you would do it at someone who comes in at 11 and might not have ever hit a ball in his life?
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interesting that this all has come out now, just as I'm starting my Dissertation which is based on Womens experience playing Cricket in male teams
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great point LK, you've positively improved the forum in one afternoon :)
in our match we spoke to Middx Ladies and they said they did not want any holding back on the bowling and to treat it as a normal game.
we did'nt have anyone 80mph but there were a few blows to the body but all the felmale players had arm guards,lids,etc.
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great point LK, you've positively improved the forum in one afternoon :)
in our match we spoke to Middx Ladies and they said they did not want any holding back on the bowling and to treat it as a normal game.
we did'nt have anyone 80mph but there were a few blows to the body but all the felmale players had arm guards,lids,etc.
Thanks!
But it's true guys think we cant handle it but i play against the boys and they dont stop for me they love it. been hit a few times so what.. you get hit in womens game to.
and ive never played with arm guards in my life nor have any of my team mates.
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as far as I'm concerned if women are good enough then they should play at that level. End of. Fair enough if Sussex want Claire to play, shame it's not the same with all organisations.
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I completely agree Nick, she's only going to get picked if she's good enough!
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I played with a lad called Graham Everitt. He was rubbish. However his sister was pretty decent spinner/batsman. I remember somebody smashing the ball out of the nets and hitting her on the back of the head. She barely blinked. If that had been an Indian IPL superstar he would of been in intensive care for 6 months (ghost writing his autobiography at 22).
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Having played a fair but of mixed hockey I stand by the if your good enough treat them no different
Same as playing against youngsters if they play 1st xi cricket I'd bounce them quite happily as if there club think there good enough be it make female old or young it's fair game
Unless the club are desperately short and have a word before I treat all same
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Stand by what I said... If I could bowl 80mph+ I would not be able to bring myself to bowl that at a woman!
With all the padding we have now? Like 35 years ago batsman didn't use helmetsor muxh padding and the bowlers didnt hold back. Sorry leo but you're coming across as a bit of a misogynist from where I stand...
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With all the padding we have now? Like 35 years ago batsman didn't use helmetsor muxh padding and the bowlers didnt hold back. Sorry leo but you're coming across as a bit of a misogynist from where I stand...
35 years ago the balls where a lot softer!
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I bowled at woman last year and got her out. She did take me for 6 runs, mostly edged through gully. That's more than most of the men managed in the entire season. I'm not proud, I'll take any wicket I can get. Must be nice to be fussy like Leo lol
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bit of humour...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/601166.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/601166.html)
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Stand by what I said... If I could bowl 80mph+ I would not be able to bring myself to bowl that at a woman!
That's a good point, you cant bowl 80mph but some of the ladies can.
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That's a good point, you cant bowl 80mph but some of the ladies can.
hahaha! love it!
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She will promote womens cricket and cricket alround as the game that WHO EVER YOU ARE YOU CAN JOIN IN! that's the point right?
Taylor shouldn't be selected solely to promote cricket, that's for the wrong reasons. She should be selected if she's good enough, and that remains to be seen.
But here's a question. Should the women’s game be allowed to grow, away from Men's cricket? As it stands, Women's international cricket is not the pinnacle of the game. Instead they're aspiring to play Men's cricket, and it's as if Men's 2nd XI cricket is being seen as a higher aspiration for them.
If Women seek to just play Men's cricket, will their game wver be regarded as quality in it's own right? (in the way Women's tennis, or Women's football is beginning to be seen as) Could women playing mens cricket actually be counter productive to the cause?
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Could a man play against the women that another question
Could a man play for Sussex woman's side
I'am all for anybody playing at any level boy or girl by the
Way
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Taylor shouldn't be selected solely to promote cricket, that's for the wrong reasons. She should be selected if she's good enough, and that remains to be seen.
But here's a question. Should the women’s game be allowed to grow, away from Men's cricket? As it stands, Women's international cricket is not the pinnacle of the game. Instead they're aspiring to play Men's cricket, and it's as if Men's 2nd XI cricket is being seen as a higher aspiration for them.
If Women seek to just play Men's cricket, will their game wver be regarded as quality in it's own right? (in the way Women's tennis, or Women's football is beginning to be seen as) Could women playing mens cricket actually be counter productive to the cause?
I didnt mean it's the reason i said its a PLUS,
She will be fine and im sure she is good enough to play.
I agree womens cricket should be able to stand on it's own, have their own base.
But i do think she should be playing with the mens as she is good enough.
If more women start wanting to play at that level the game will grow which will give us that base that we need.
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Taylor shouldn't be selected solely to promote cricket, that's for the wrong reasons. She should be selected if she's good enough, and that remains to be seen.
But here's a question. Should the women’s game be allowed to grow, away from Men's cricket? As it stands, Women's international cricket is not the pinnacle of the game. Instead they're aspiring to play Men's cricket, and it's as if Men's 2nd XI cricket is being seen as a higher aspiration for them.
If Women seek to just play Men's cricket, will their game wver be regarded as quality in it's own right? (in the way Women's tennis, or Women's football is beginning to be seen as) Could women playing mens cricket actually be counter productive to the cause?
Its still seen as the pinnacle of Soccer in America, and realistically they still talk about women to join the ryman leagues and on in England!
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Could a man play against the women that another question
Could a man play for Sussex woman's side
I'am all for anybody playing at any level boy or girl by the
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That is a very good point Dave. Hadn't thought of it like that until then.
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Taylor shouldn't be selected solely to promote cricket, that's for the wrong reasons. She should be selected if she's good enough, and that remains to be seen.
But here's a question. Should the women’s game be allowed to grow, away from Men's cricket? As it stands, Women's international cricket is not the pinnacle of the game. Instead they're aspiring to play Men's cricket, and it's as if Men's 2nd XI cricket is being seen as a higher aspiration for them.
If Women seek to just play Men's cricket, will their game wver be regarded as quality in it's own right? (in the way Women's tennis, or Women's football is beginning to be seen as) Could women playing mens cricket actually be counter productive to the cause?
It has happened in golf. Women have played in competitions as they were good enough to be in the field. There's no negative effects that I'm aware of.
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That is a very good point Dave. Hadn't thought of it like that until then.
I have come across some very talented woman cricketers in my time who can hold there own in top level club cricket for sure
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That is a very good point Dave. Hadn't thought of it like that until then.
I'm not sure I agree with this. I'm not saying its right but men's cricket is the top end of the sport, and test match players would not be tested in the womens game as much as the other way around. The Sarah Taylor thing is almost like the next step, whereas for men it would not be.
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For sure Dave no doubt.
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I'm not saying its right but men's cricket is the top end of the sport, and test match players would not be tested in the womens game as much as the other way around. The Sarah Taylor thing is almost like the next step, whereas for men it would not be.
I think Dave's point is, if a male player was looking to play county cricket but was not good enough to play for the men could he go and play for a women's county side. I know the answer but it would be the next step for him.
I think it's great by the way that she might get a game.
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I think my main problem with this, is that she would do a darn sight better if she were to make a success in somewhere like the WEPL or another strong ECB prem, then no-one can argue that she is good enough. Just think its a bit of a publicity stunt, she should (and any other woman, if good enough) have the chance to prove herself against whoever she wishes. THis outdated view of 'I'd be too scared to bounce her' is complete chauvenistic bs imo, as I bet she'd a) smack me a long way out of the ground, and b) probably has a better pair of hands than most too!
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I think Dave's point is, if a male player was looking to play county cricket but was not good enough to play for the men could he go and play for a women's county side. I know the answer but it would be the next step for him.
I think it's great by the way that she might get a game.
Technically, as Taylor's an international, would the next step down for the guy would be the England women's team?
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I bowled at woman last year and got her out. She did take me for 6 runs, mostly edged through gully. That's more than most of the men managed in the entire season. I'm not proud, I'll take any wicket I can get. Must be nice to be fussy like Leo lol
I bowled at a woman last season and couldn't get her out - more to the point I get the feeling she thought I was rubbish by the way she played back my attempted quicker (ok marginally quicker than very slow) ball.
I did get revenge by hitting her for two big sixes over cow corner but only after she'd got a couple of our lads out. I think she plays regularly and has taken quite a few wickets, she bowled ok and got a bit of swing.
http://telecomsportscc.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=11457945 (http://telecomsportscc.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=11457945)
I've absolutely no issue with Sarah Taylor playing, if she's good enough and does well then its great. As for not wanting to bounce her if she's good enough to play at that level then all's fair. I'm fair and quite friendly (most of the time) on a cricket pitch and I'd never bounce someone who didn't appear to be capable of handling it (actually I'd never bounce anyone as I'm not quick enough to get it head high) but the county game is different and its professional sport so anything goes.
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This is BS.
I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.
Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.
Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....
I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years??? Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!
http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5 (http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5)
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.
Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.
Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html)
A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,
> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.
Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???
Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)
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This is BS.
I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.
Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.
Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....
I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years??? Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!
[url]http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5[/url] ([url]http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5[/url])
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.
Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.
Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html[/url])
A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,
> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.
Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???
Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)
Well said mate! Don't 100% agree with it but good argument nonetheless!
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County Mens 2nd X1 cricket is a better standard than Womans international standard.
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This is BS.
I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.
Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.
Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....
I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years??? Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!
[url]http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5[/url] ([url]http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5[/url])
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.
Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.
Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html[/url])
A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,
> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.
Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???
Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)
The first link suggests that if ST and Sussex and the ECB agrees and ST then trains with the 2s and then is appraised that she is good enough and then both junior wks are unavailable due to school, then she might get a game.
Seems a lot to go through for the potential of the odd game and yet there are still people thinking it's not a good idea. Why try and get a 14 year old who will also still be at school. It just seems sensible to use available assets if they come up to scratch in practice.
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To decide not to bowl fast is discrimination on the basis og sex. It doesn't make him a bad person but it is sexist to think that way. Wish sufficient training the power gap can be bridged. It's cricket for god sake half of the players are wusses (with regards to power) not a good comparison when compared to the likes of rugby or basketball where the gulf in strength when comparing the male and female sides of the sport. If she tries and fails then at least she had her chance but I don't think it should be blocked entirely.
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Wish sufficient training the power gap can be bridged.
It's pretty much physiologically impossible!
Oh and agree with that Times article completely, the reporter sums up nicely what I have been attempting to put across:
A massive part of their tactics is physical intimidation, i.e. bowling fast and so that it bounces towards the head or chest. If she hits a bowler for a boundary then they might want to bowl a 'bouncer' at her in normal circumstances, but the vast majority of them are just not going to want to injure a woman, (a nice touch of benevolent sexism) so it places the other players in a tough situation.
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It's pretty much physiologically impossible!
Nah, a vast amount of cricketers are relatively weak. In cricket at least the power gap can be bridged through training. At least in some cases (Fast bowlers not included).
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No offence to any of the lads here but serena williams would probably kick 95% of our butts.
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I don't agree that the power gap can be bridged through training. It is impossible, tell me one sport where the women's world record is better than the men's at a given event. It doesn't happen. Human biology doesn't allow it
The point is that not all great batters are muscle men. Sunil Gavaskar was built like a shrew and yet stood up to the West Indian quicks as well as anyone.
I also don't agree that Serena would beat 95% of people on here. I think she'd beat everyone. Without dropping a game
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I don't agree that the power gap can be bridged through training. It is impossible, tell me one sport where the women's world record is better than the men's at a given event. It doesn't happen. Human biology doesn't allow it
The point is that not all great batters are muscle men. Sunil Gavaskar was built like a shrew and yet stood up to the West Indian quicks as well as anyone.
I also don't agree that Serena would beat 95% of people on here. I think she'd beat everyone. Without dropping a game
This is true within power sports where competitiors must be very strong.bin these cases the power gap cannoy be bridged, point i am making is if you look at a female powerlifter, she will be weaker than a male powerlifter but stronger than say a male tennis player or cricketer. Cricket isn't a power sport and the majority of men playing it aren't necessarily very strong. What i am trying to say is in the case of cricket the power gap doesn't have to be all that large and can be bridged through hardcore training (with the exclusion of fast bowling).
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It's pretty much physiologically impossible!
Oh and agree with that Times article completely, the reporter sums up nicely what I have been attempting to put across:
But Leo, the lass would just mash your bouncer for four same as everyone else does! ;)
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Serious thoughts now; physiologically, it would, as several posters have noted, be very difficult for a woman to play at the very top level of the mens game. It is not impossible though - at least, not for a wicketkeeper (where the role, largely devoid of power based exertion, is most closely suited) - or perhaps for a top order batsman/woman (never quite worked out how that should be phrased) where, at least in first class cricket, their lack of power should not be that relevant because for the most part they are looking to bat time.
It is not correct to say that females players have never succeeded in mens premier league cricket - Aaron Brindle made a century (admittedly in one of the weaker premier league structures) and Clare Connor was moderately successful in Sussex. The step up from ECB PL to County 2nd XI is nowhere near as big as some people seem to think - its a step rather than a leap. So the question is, where would the top levels of Womens cricket sit comparatively? I reckon women's test cricket is about the same standard of good men's league cricket.
There have probably been two players I'd say could make the transition in my time watching the game. Clare Taylor is one - she was a quality bat with exceptional technique, and would cope with most male bowling, even if she didn't score quickly. The other is Sarah Taylor - again, aside from her keeping, she has the technique with the bat that she should be able to cope (with the appropriate training beforehand).
Do I agree that she should be allowed to? No. Nothing sexist involved - I just think that women's sport struggles for credibility at times as it is, and the chances are that the blurring of lines will hinder rather than aid development. I'm also a tad unsure about some of the, erm, issues in professional sports that might be touched upon - for example, sledging...
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But Leo, the lass would just mash your bouncer for four same as everyone else does! ;)
Haha let me know if your short for any midweek games this year and need someone to score runs but then leak runs.
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Haha let me know if your short for any midweek games this year and need someone to score runs but then leak runs.
We only have your word for it that you scored runs - everyone else was asleep at the sight! ;)
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Having watched a vid of leonine batting she hits it harder than most on here (well harder than me anyway) so think Taylor will be fine
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Having watched a vid of leonine batting she hits it harder than most on here (well harder than me anyway) so think Taylor will be fine
Share the link...! And you with your 3lb+ bats don't hit it hard?
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Ill do it when back from work but I'd say hits it harder than me
I'm a touch player anyway
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Yeh she defiantly hits it harder than me! Worryingly check her batting average needs some work ;)
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From what I understand she gets very few opertunities to bat as they make her bat 9 but sobers started as a no 8 so talent there for sure
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WAIT THATS ME!!!!!! xD~! hahahaha
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No one else with that hair on here apart from will
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No one else with that hair on here apart from will
HAHA! i cut it shorter now aswell so yea haha xD
its just will then! although my hair is still long.
Yeh she defiantly hits it harder than me! Worryingly check her batting average needs some work ;)
OI! haah! yea its not great but how would you feel if you never bat with training and then got thrown in against south africa or sri lanka? in bangladesh i was number 10 most of the time.
now going a bit better still not great but i can atleast hit a ball now haha
Glad i can bowl and field
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OI! haah! yea its not great but how would you feel if you never bat with training and then got thrown in? in bangladesh i was number 10 most of the time.
Oh yeah.... Have this problem all the time... ???
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No one else with that hair on here apart from will
Having a trim this weekend mate...gets in the eyes ;)
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Having a trim this weekend mate...gets in the eyes ;)
Noooooooo
You'll loose all your power
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she's hardly set the world alight in the world cup, im sorry but she wont cut it playing mens cricket
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Come on its a World Cup most of those bowlers would get us lot out
But it is the opportunity to showcase and she's having a poor tourni which can happen to anyone
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she's hardly set the world alight in the world cup, im sorry but she wont cut it playing mens cricket
a bad run of form is hardly an indication of ability, everyone has a bad run at some point. Give the girl a chance, I'm sure she won't set the world alight but hopefully she does well and promotes women's cricket. At the end of the day, the more women that play the more men will, so it's all good.
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I want to play woman's cricket the stream must run both ways
Taylor is a classy player there no doubt about that there certainly is the same technique quality in woman's cricket just lack the power although most hit harder than us
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which of those women would get us lot out? are you that bad?
i cant help but feel people are being far too diplomatic/sitting on the fence over this issue. I watched the other day, a leg side ball, at 65mph and it looked to quick for her and went for 4 wides, she barely moved, add another 15mph on to that and what chance does she have? thats just her keeping. she hasnt scored a run against 65mph bowling attacks
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Well I'm not very good that's why I don't knock internationals whatever sex as I've seen a few women that were very very good but I suppose your a budding county 1st xi player so would see off brunt who is around 70-75mph and perry who is same with ease in a World Cup pressure cooker with a crowd in
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I think she might get half the forum out 70 to 75 is plenty quick enough quick enough to sort most out on this forum
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good player in the womens game, doesnt mean she would be any good in the mens game, thats my opinion, which im entitled to. hardly much of a crowd in either, but yeh ok, your a forum sponsor so your are probably right in everything you say.
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Just so you don't feel intimidated as sponsors are allowed an opinion ill use my normal account
Yes your entitled to your opinion and more power to you but if she was not good enough for men's cricket then a brum prem team would not be asking her to play as that's a good league but I'm sure your playing a better standard of ecb prem cricket avg 40+ never failing ??
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good player in the womens game, doesnt mean she would be any good in the mens game, thats my opinion, which im entitled to. hardly much of a crowd in either, but yeh ok, your a forum sponsor so your are probably right in everything you say.
Don't be petty, mate. He's equally entitled to his opinion, which is what he is giving. Personally, I've seen women batters give some high-quality men's bowlers the run-around, and having seen Sarah bat in the flesh I reckon she'd do a fantastic job. And the way you gave your view in your first post today it seemed like you were telling us exactly how it would be, do you reckon you'd be able to get her out?
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...on current form I reckon yes!!!
She has had a shocking tournament so far, but form is temporary blah blah blah..
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I stated my opinion that I dont think she would cut it in mens cricket, specifically county 2nd's which maybe I should have stated. Could i get her out? yeh I'd fancy a crack at bowling to her, a good challenge either way. I know for a fact my girlfriend has bowled at her, and got her out previously, and she's no superstar.
and if the pressures been too much for her in the world cup, there will be plenty of pressure on if she ever plays for sussex
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Who is your girlfriend then where the proof
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she's played at yorkshire since she was about 13, but i have no proof. cant see why i'd make it up though and hence need proof
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Im all for womens cricket and have played against middlesex ladies a few years ago,technically they were far better than us and fitter.bowling wise there was not the real pace you would find in mens league cricket,depends on what level you play of course.ive certainly faced high sixties mph for sure so dont think the pace would be a problem-they may well get you out thou!!
The only time ive faced a bowler out and out too quick was carlos remy of sussex and leics.he was frightening quick,got home post match thou,whacked his name into cricinfo and it said 'medium pace'
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she's played at yorkshire since she was about 13, but i have no proof. cant see why i'd make it up though and hence need proof
Sarah Taylor was ranked number 1 woman's batsman in the world very recently
Sorry but if your number 1 in the world in your sport you are a superstar and special
Only my opinion like
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Sarah Taylor was ranked number 1 woman's batsman in the world very recently
Sorry but if your number 1 in the world in your sport you are a superstar and special
Only my opinion like
Have to agree with Dave on that
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I stated my opinion that I dont think she would cut it in mens cricket, specifically county 2nd's which maybe I should have stated. Could i get her out? yeh I'd fancy a crack at bowling to her, a good challenge either way. I know for a fact my girlfriend has bowled at her, and got her out previously, and she's no superstar.
I've bowled a lad out who plays in the Brum Prem league and a batsmen for WEPL Prem. Does that mean I'm a good bowler.. no (as I'm not). Just means I happened one day to it right and they for one ball managed to make a mistake against someone that was easily less than 70mph. Not all about pace, human error, wicket or just plain luck has a baring on each and every game we play in. Just getting someone out once etc again (like form) isn't exactly a way to judge someone. That's like watching someone for one net and deciding 'yeah they ain't good enough'... How do you know, might be a bad day, might just need to slight changes that make all the difference etc etc. People are far far too quick to write people off in cricket (and also too quick to laud praise on people that 'look' good yet score less runs than others)
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This has got boring and out of hand
People are never going to agree, everyones opinion is different
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It's been interesting reading this, would like to see the above bowling at Sarah Taylor. I'm biased as I'm in love with her and in my mind she's in love with me,, there again I'm in love with all the weather girls on central TV. :D
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which of those women would get us lot out? are you that bad?
i cant help but feel people are being far too diplomatic/sitting on the fence over this issue. I watched the other day, a leg side ball, at 65mph and it looked to quick for her and went for 4 wides, she barely moved, add another 15mph on to that and what chance does she have? thats just her keeping. she hasnt scored a run against 65mph bowling attacks
just because she is having a bad tournament doesnt mean she always does this? Let's not forget she has been injured and ill.. me being a female cricketer our bowling machine fielding and batting wise is put on 75+ most of the time.
Again i'd like to talk from experience with training and playing with men sides it's never stopped me. and i'm not even nearly as good as taylor.
if you think you cant get out from female bowling you're just naive.. ofcourse its your opinion but i cant wait for taylor to prove you wrong to be honest.
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I hope she proves me wrong
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She looked good today
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-womens-world-cup-2013/content/image/604809.html?object=249935 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-womens-world-cup-2013/content/image/604809.html?object=249935)
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She looked good today
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-womens-world-cup-2013/content/image/604809.html?object=249935[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-womens-world-cup-2013/content/image/604809.html?object=249935[/url])
Yep a good 88 and a good stumping for the first wicket.. Shame it was all in vain. Although I do appear to have a soft spot for Miss Brunt :-[
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I have a hard spot for Taylor and Brunt (sorry moderators couldn't help myself) ;)
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She reminds me a bit of shah way she sets before ball bowled
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Massive triggers going on but at moment of contact still
Top class player
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looked to relax when she got off the mark and the risk of a 4th duck running, dropped on 0 aswell
played some classy powerful strokes though looks the most natural of the english batters
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Also kept well, the leg side stumping was a quality piece of work