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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: billyb on September 13, 2018, 06:53:24 PM
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All aboard the GM express!
Who is interested?
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Count me in
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Interested!
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Is it a tour or your going to look at the new bats or go to buy as a group
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Yep me!
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Possibly....
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Factory tour - absolutely fabulous idea. I am in, if the dates work.
David
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Ahem... don't forget me as I asked ;)
Although dates will play a part :)
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Sounds cool... I’m in depending on dates of course- obvious question- is there a showroom where you can purchase?
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Depending on dates I'd be up for a visit.
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Yea I’m in dates dependent
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Guys, I have been in touch with Mr Lowey.
There are 10 slots open for the factory visit, but it will be on a weekday. I suggest it should be after the launch of the new kit so you get to see it and can share lots of pictures of it too.
On that basis we are looking at the week of 22nd October.
I will need a volunteer to organise this as I won't be able to make it due to work commitments. Please pm me if you are able to organise.
Other than that, I am very jealous you will get to go!
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Amazing, would love to go, but also won't be able to swing the time of work. Enjoy those who do go, very jealous.
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If I recall correctly another visit by forum members happened a few years ago, and I think a net in the Notts area was organised to coincide with the tour and some munchies afterwards.
Anyone remember going on that one?
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8142.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8142.0)
Hmmm - not the most illuminating, I thought there were pictures somewhere.
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I remember brucie as was a top day and night
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=7797.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=7797.0) ahaa!!
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=788e4010beec322f5f905b1c141c7b69&topic=31723.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=788e4010beec322f5f905b1c141c7b69&topic=31723.0)
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25th and 26th would be great for me
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26th would be my preferred date. a Friday to see us into the weekend.
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I'd be very keen to attend if it's on the 26th, unfortunately tied up with work the rest of that week.
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I can do any day that week, will need to know ASAP so I can book the day though
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Guys, I have been in touch with Mr Lowey.
There are 10 slots open for the factory visit, but it will be on a weekday. I suggest it should be after the launch of the new kit so you get to see it and can share lots of pictures of it too.
On that basis we are looking at the week of 22nd October.
I will need a volunteer to organise this as I won't be able to make it due to work commitments. Please pm me if you are able to organise.
Other than that, I am very jealous you will get to go!
Seems as if the 26th is the preferred date. I will confirm with Ed.
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Seems as if the 26th is the preferred date. I will confirm with Ed.
Very good, so does the 10 slots mean 10 people can go?
I think my brother was interested that's all
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I can do any day that week, will need to know ASAP so I can book the day though
booked the day just in case
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I would be keen
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Unfortunately I’m going to Rhodes that week!!
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If I recall correctly another visit by forum members happened a few years ago, and I think a net in the Notts area was organised to coincide with the tour and some munchies afterwards.
Anyone remember going on that one?
Wow didn’t realise that was 8 years ago now, great to see how the set up works and was a superb day meeting members for the 1st time...even led to one of them getting a foot in the door there eh Mr Perkins 👍
Would love to see what changes have been implemented over the last 8 years and the innovation continues.
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Any more news on this?
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Any more news on this?
We are looking at dates at our end and will confirm as soon as we can.
Kind regards
Edward
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We are looking at dates at our end and will confirm as soon as we can.
Kind regards
Edward
Cheers Ed 👍
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OK Friday October 26th works for us.
We will be delighted to welcome 10 visitors to GM Nottingham. The day will start at 10:15 am, will include a factory tour and hands on with the GM 2019 range. We will arrange a sandwich lunch, and the day will conclude at 2:30 pm.
If folk would fancy a net - I know the Forum guys organised this last time - we may be able to help with this but most likely will leave it up to yourselves. We do not have a net facility on site.
If people would be kind enough to email Phil Tebbutt, General Manager GM Nottingham at ptebbutt@PlayWithTheBest.com with :
Name
Forum handle
Email address
Telephone number
Home address
Dietary Requirements
by 5pm on Monday 8th October, we will let the lucky 10 know by the end of that week!
We look forward to meeting with you
Kind regards
Edward Lowy
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Done, thanks for everything Edward :D
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Thanks so much Edward.
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Done! Thank you! :)
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Done, thank you @Edward Lowy, fingers crossed now!
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Done! Very generous Edward,thanks
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I wonder who the lucky 10 are?
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I wonder who the lucky 10 are?
That was a very well timed post!
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Thanks for the prompt.
I checked my junk folder (outrageous) and found a vey welcome message. Looking forward to the visit on 26th.
David
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That was a very well timed post!
Or a well timed email...
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yes! what a lovely email go get before the weekend!!
i wont be able to net though unfortunately if thats still that plan!
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So who's going, so far I've got
Liscon12
Alexhilly1492
Leatherseat
Edge
Yorkshire
Tailendfielder
If people want I can set up a WhatsApp group for those who are going, pm me numbers if you want this?
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Me Me Me !!! :)
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So who's going, so far I've got
Liscon12
Alexhilly1492
Leather seat
Edge
Yorkshire
If people want I can set up a WhatsApp group for those who are going, pm me numbers if you want this?
if others are up for whatsapp i am, let me know
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I didn’t make the cut ☹️ Didn’t even get an email saying no 😳😩
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I didn’t make the cut ☹️ Didn’t even get an email saying no 😳😩
I’m not fetching you pads! ;)
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I have been invited, was in my junk mail.
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I didn’t make the cut ☹️ Didn’t even get an email saying no 😳😩
Least we know they are good judges of Character. Well done Team GM!!
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Least we know they are good judges of Character. Well done Team GM!!
Wow...
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So who's going, so far I've got
Liscon12
Alexhilly1492
Leatherseat
Edge
Yorkshire
Tailendfielder
If people want I can set up a WhatsApp group for those who are going, pm me numbers if you want this?
Plus golders and richyreed? I'll pm you my number, thanks mate.
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One by one the guests are caught out by sticky glue, binding, cnc machines, falling logs, splicing machines, and pressing machine, until one lucky visitor inherits the factory.
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One by one the guests are caught out by sticky glue, binding, cnc machines, falling logs, splicing machines, and pressing machine, until one lucky visitor inherits the factory.
We've been rumbled.
You've been Wonka'd.
:D
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https://youtu.be/VNsvC2Dwjw8
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The video was a revelariom
So many interesting truths came out
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Thanks for sharing, fascinating vid
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Just heard from Phil at GM that there are three further spaces now available for this factory visit.
Looks like c 10 am to 2pm on Friday 26th October. Should be a fascinating look behind the scenes and a chance to ask questions of the experts who make bats day in, day out.
If you would like to come along and are free, would you please email Phil at GM - PTebbutt@PlayWithTheBest.com
Phil will select three names at random.
Please contact Phil asap.
David
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Curses to living in Norway, would loooooooooove to join on one of these trips.
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Crikey that was a blooming good video
Very interesting on so many points, especially the grading
Kinda explains how some of the lower grades can perform so well, when grading on looks.
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Really would love to attend but it’s in Half term and I have my kids that week, hopefully manage to get a visit there one day, please take as many pics as possible along with comments and answered to questions, hopefully will be a great informative thread coming soon.
Have a great time all those that are going
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https://youtu.be/VNsvC2Dwjw8
Always wondered if the GM Now process was to do with pressing or something, bit boring to find it's just a bloke wit ha hammer. No shortcuts I guess :)
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Just to say I’m not going to be at work next Friday as I’m off for surgery on the Thursday (so will be off work for a while) but I hope you all enjoy your time at the factory.
I’m hoping to post more on here while I’m off, to share my nearly 7 years of experience at GM with everyone
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Just to say I’m not going to be at work next Friday as I’m off for surgery on the Thursday (so will be off work for a while) but I hope you all enjoy your time at the factory.
I’m hoping to post more on here while I’m off, to share my nearly 7 years of experience at GM with everyone
Top man Perks! Hope the op goes well, all the best
Edward
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Just to say I’m not going to be at work next Friday as I’m off for surgery on the Thursday (so will be off work for a while) but I hope you all enjoy your time at the factory.
I’m hoping to post more on here while I’m off, to share my nearly 7 years of experience at GM with everyone
Jeez, that makes me feel old, I remember when you started!
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Jeez, that makes me feel old, I remember when you started!
I feel old! Some would describe me as an adult but doesn’t feel 5 minuets since I was 18
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The video was a revelariom
So many interesting truths came out
Didn't Edward say they didn't grade on appearance? Video suggests they do?
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They definitely grade on appearance and their instant performing bats are 400 plus
What were the most interesting truths for you
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I flicked through it and saw them grading cleft according to how clean and white they were.
Why are these more likely to be 'instant performing'?
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Is there a secondary grading process I have missed, then?
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My reading is that GM account for weight along with density first and then move on to aesthetics.
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My reading is that GM account for weight along with density first and then move on to aesthetics.
So low density, clean clefts give the best performance?
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So low density, clean clefts give the best performance?
From the video: low density, clean clefts are made into players grade/models so they cost more...
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I'm pretty sceptical of any major manufacturer whos says they grade on performance, it's just such an individual thing.
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1. In response to a question I asked, Edward Lowry clearly stated that they graded on their assessment of performance.
2. Haven't a lot of 'players' quite visibly had a thing for two-tone willow in recent years?
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I'm pretty sceptical of any major manufacturer whos says they grade on performance, it's just such an individual thing.
You could argue that appearance is, too.
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So low density, clean clefts give the best performance?
Every blade performs. How much a player wishes to pay is simply a matter of personal choice.
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Every blade performs. How much a player wishes to pay is simply a matter of personal choice.
Not quite true. You do get good bats and bad bats. Otherwise I would hope this site wouldn't exist.
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You could argue that appearance is, too.
Easier for two people to count the number of grains or measure the amount of heartwood/density and come up with the same results than it is to separate two bats on 'ping'
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The more I come on this site, the more convinced I am that we/ you are all being conned.
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The more I come on this site, the more convinced I am that we/ you are all being conned.
Maybe time for you start your own brand with a base concentration on bats only?
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The more I come on this site, the more convinced I am that we/ you are all being conned.
You definitely pay a premium for pretty/big bats, whether they actually perform any better is open for debate.
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When I visited GM a few years ago, they used to tap up the bats after pressing but before final shaping, sanding, finishing.
This would give an indication of performance. Then they would assess them again later to check cosmetics. Seemed like a good process at the time.
But unsure if they still do it this way or whether they have changed any process?
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You definitely pay a premium for pretty/big bats, whether they actually perform any better is open for debate.
Yes, I've noticed. It's one of the most debated topics on here (after who should be in the England team).
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When I visited GM a few years ago, they used to tap up the bats after pressing but before final shaping, sanding, finishing.
This would give an indication of performance. Then they would assess them again later to check cosmetics. Seemed like a good process at the time.
But unsure if they still do it this way or whether they have changed any process?
Yes, I remember that. When Edward answered as he did I was assuminng that was the method they still used.
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Maybe time for you start your own brand with a base concentration on bats only?
Saturated market. Besides, I don't have the tools or skills required to make bats.
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Saturated market. Besides, I don't have the tools or skills required to make bats.
I'm unaware of any brand (labeled or not) that supplies bats made exactly to the sellers specifications. Then and only then can a seller sell with true confidence in their product. That is the USP.
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I'm unaware of any brand (labeled or not) that supplies bats made exactly to the sellers specifications. Then and only then can a seller sell with true confidence in their product. That is the USP.
Really? The name of this site is Custom Bats Forum?
Plenty claim to have true confidence in their product.
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Really? The name of this site is Custom Bats Forum?
Plenty claim to have true confidence in their product.
You could start off by offering youth bats just to find your feet.
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When I visited GM a few years ago, they used to tap up the bats after pressing but before final shaping, sanding, finishing.
This would give an indication of performance. Then they would assess them again later to check cosmetics. Seemed like a good process at the time.
But unsure if they still do it this way or whether they have changed any process?
Exactly how I thought Gm and I know Salix grade, 1st is looks and cosmetics, once pressed each bat is tested before final shaping and grade and model is picked from that on each individual cleft
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You could start off by offering youth bats just to find your feet.
Could I? Thanks for that.
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Exactly how I thought Gm and I know Salix grade, 1st is looks and cosmetics, once pressed each bat is tested before final shaping and grade and model is picked from that on each individual cleft
So plenty of potentially high performance willow is sifted out of the top grades on account of not being 'good looking' enough? Would you not agree that this is slightly at odds with what Edward said?
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This is quite intersting
The two top grades at GM I believe have no heartwood at all
Mid that the criteria ?
The guys video and his comments on you tube suggest the lower grades have more moisture in the willow
Hence it doesn't perform as well early on
Does this mean The higher grades have less moisture and perform better ?
It's a bit of a minefield
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It's a bit of a minefield
To put it mildly.
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Out of the UK for me longeavity is GM
Good service I believe too
I know toe tek is brilliant
Salix for just brilliant bats and finishing .
India for me there's only one and a member has reviewed the brilliant bat he received earlier last month.
Ignoring kippax but heard brilliant things about them
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The Original near the top of the For Sale section has heartwood. Must have tapped up exceptionally well? A bargain for a GM lover?
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The Original near the top of the For Sale section has heartwood. Must have tapped up exceptionally well? A bargain for a GM lover?
I think this sometimes - given most batmaker grade on looks and then adjust up/down for how they think it pings then perhaps we should all be seeking out the worst looking bats in any given grade!
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The smaller manufacturers tend to be more honest in admitting their lower grade bats perform just as well, though. Some examples being H4L, Aldred and Red Ink. I prefer this kind of clarity, I think.
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In my view, it's very very difficult to measure performance through a tapping-up test when it's multiple people doing it, how do you standardise the grading?
Saying "Our best performing bats cost the most" probably helps sell more top-end bats, though.
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I can contest tapping a bat although is only one measure and not always reliable
Tapped up well but performed terrible from a very reputable batmaker
It seemed to absorb the speed of a ball and especially with fast balls
The ball had very little rebound but when you had time on slow bowlers was fine or on tapping up .
I'm not a believer in more expensive the better at all
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Saying "Our best performing bats cost the most" probably helps sell more top-end bats, though.
Probably. Or definitely.
The Kippax model is an interesting one; even if £300 is quite a steep entry point.
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I think for 100 quid you should be able to expect a well made bat that looks fine, picks up well, doesn't crack the first time you use it and doesn't play like a complete plank.
Beyond that, you're paying for aestethics and branding. Any performance gain is pure luck. If you get a good one, hold onto it.
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Though I personally don't like to buy a bat without feeling it in my hands first, there is certainly always plenty of value to had around the £100 mark on here.
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If you look closely at one of GM's own related white papers (admittedly from a while ago and a very small sample size) it had the lower end bats (808 from memory) out-performing the OLE's
That little table was a real gem, by far the most interesting bit of the whole paper!
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I think for 100 quid you should be able to expect a well made bat that looks fine, picks up well, doesn't crack the first time you use it and doesn't play like a complete plank.
Handles change at some level too
Beyond that, you're paying for aestethics and branding. Any performance gain is pure luck. If you get a good one, hold onto it.
The player ones are generally bigger and thus made from lower density clefts, these likely have higher performance.
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Though I personally don't like to buy a bat without feeling it in my hands first, there is certainly always plenty of value to had around the £100 mark on here.
Would you expect free knocking in, bat cover, anti scuff sheet, extra grip, 6 months warranty and shipping for your £100?
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The player ones are generally bigger and thus made from lower density clefts, these likely have higher performance.
Super Low density clefts might give greater rebound but they also cost a fortune and often break in a matter of months, so they're not really suitable for amateur cricketers who have to pay for their own bats and play on pitches with short boundaries anyway. Like driving to work through a30mph speed limit in an f1 car that breaks down every 100 miles. Pointless and illadvised.
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Super Low density clefts might give greater rebound but they also cost a fortune and often break in a matter of months, so they're not really suitable for amateur cricketers who have to pay for their own bats and play on pitches with short boundaries anyway. Like driving to work through a30mph speed limit in an f1 car that breaks down every 100 miles. Pointless and illadvised.
But if you have the money to burn and that’s why you want to do with it...
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The player ones are generally bigger and thus made from lower density clefts, these likely have higher performance.
What a load of nonsense.
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So plenty of potentially high performance willow is sifted out of the top grades on account of not being 'good looking' enough? Would you not agree that this is slightly at odds with what Edward said?
Sorry @Bats_Entertainment I’m not sure what Edward has said I just got that from there video, the only one I know more about is the way salix would grade and oat 1st stage before pressing the only way is cosmetically, once pressing and shaping you may end up downgrading a cleft if something is uncovered in the shaping sanding and vice versa although very rarely did AJK ever grade up some of the best looking lower end willow of any brand, that is until GM released the sig last year, stunning value for money
Not sure any is wasted basically
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I asked him if they graded on looks or performance. He said they graded on their assessment of performance.
I wasn't suggesting any was wasted. Rather never got a chance to be top grade. That, of course, may be a good thing for you or I?
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Would you expect free knocking in, bat cover, anti scuff sheet, extra grip, 6 months warranty and shipping for your £100?
No.
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I asked him if they graded on looks or performance. He said they graded on their assessment of performance.
I wasn't suggesting any was wasted. Rather never got a chance to be top grade. That, of course, may be a good thing for you or I?
Their assessment of performance may well be in line with how the cricket bat industry has operated for years, i.e. assessing likely performance based on looks; as a general rule better looking willow will likely perform better.
I've experienced this industry from all angles, except behind the drawknife. I can't give the definitive piece of evidence that seems so desperately needed on this forum (but less so away from it) but am very much of the opinion that the above generally rings true.
If you were to disregard the cost, and base a choice purely on looks giving a likely indicator of how well a bat will 'go' - I would choose evenly spaced straight grains every time. Not necessarily a 'clean' face or many grains, but straight and even.
That isn't to say GM don't gauge performance in other ways, I don't know enough about their entire process even as a former retailer who has visited their factory many times. What I will say is they are the most open and honest large manufacturer I've ever dealt with. More than happy to answer any questions, showcase their entire operation to the public and are proud that they make their bats in England. The fact the owner of the business takes the time to come on the forum and answer questions and still gets cross examined like he's pulling the wool over peoples eyes is beyond me. I've never seen Richard Gray from Gray Nicolls on here, I've never even met Brett from Kookaburra and I used to live round the corner from him.
Given the above, I am not saying there aren't some fantastic bargains out there, and these GM Signatures do seem good value for money and certainly seem to perform, although i'll add a counter argument here, we had some Paragon Signatures about 3 years ago that I couldn't shift for love nor money. No idea why, they weren't bad, though perhaps not as good as the ones cropping up recently. It must be remembered that a significant skew of opinion on this forum abut the GM Signature has been the opinion of @SOULMAN1012
Having stood at the other end of the wicket to Chris on more than one occasion, it must be said that he is likely to find the performance in all but the plankiest of bats. Whilst it is true that a good player may be able to notice the subtle differences between bats more because he is consistently marmalizing the ball out of the middle, it must be remembered that these small differences aren't of much use to mere mortals who might be better placed getting a 909 instead of an OLE and spending the rest on some coaching.
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That isn't to say GM don't gauge performance in other ways, I don't know enough about their entire process even as a former retailer who has visited their factory many times. What I will say is they are the most open and honest large manufacturer I've ever dealt with. More than happy to answer any questions, showcase their entire operation to the public and are proud that they make their bats in England. The fact the owner of the business takes the time to come on the forum and answer questions and still gets cross-examined like he's pulling the wool over peoples eyes is beyond me. I've never seen Richard Gray from Gray Nicolls on here, I've never even met Brett from Kookaburra and I used to live round the corner from him.
I have thought about this point before, why the forum seems to struggle to attract sponsors who want to interact, but I guess by its nature, the place is full of people with a thirst for knowledge and who like to question everything (not always as politely as they should). i presume in nearly all cases the time spend in answering these just doesn't balance up with any possible increased profits. And worst case a few to honest answers might even take things the other way.
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I have thought about this point before, why the forum seems to struggle to attract sponsors who want to interact, but I guess by its nature, the place is full of people with a thirst for knowledge and who like to question everything (not always as politely as they should). i presume in nearly all cases the time spend in answering these just doesn't balance up with any possible increased profits. And worst case a few to honest answers might even take things the other way.
I am tarring a great many with the same brush, but I can't help but feel the ones who ask these questions/moan about being ripped off/conned are the same who post on the forum about their non-sponsor purchases from far more unscrupulous places than the likes of our sponsors or GM, usually because it was a 'bargain' or they 'got a deal' .............
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The best value for money branded bats can be purchased online or from 1 of the 586 Sportsdirect stores which allow buyers to walk in and pick up and feel the pings on offer and leave with a bargain.
But then forum members would never be caught dead walking into a Sportsdirect store :)
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The best value for money branded bats can be purchased online or from 1 of the 586 Sportsdirect stores which allow buyers to walk in and pick up and feel the pings on offer and leave with a bargain.
But then forum members would never be caught dead walking into a Sportsdirect store :)
Actually I think you'll find the exact opposite...
If you have a search there was even a thread comparing Sports Direct bargains when they had their really silly sale a couple of years ago.
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The best value for money branded bats can be purchased online or from 1 of the 586 Sportsdirect stores which allow buyers to walk in and pick up and feel the pings on offer and leave with a bargain.
But then forum members would never be caught dead walking into a Sportsdirect store :)
Disagree on both points.
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I am tarring a great many with the same brush, but I can't help but feel the ones who ask these questions/moan about being ripped off/conned are the same who post on the forum about their non-sponsor purchases from far more unscrupulous places than the likes of our sponsors or GM, usually because it was a 'bargain' or they 'got a deal' .............
Did Edward Lowry say they grade on 'assessment of performance'? Or did he not?
I asked a simple question about grading on looks or performance. I was far from rude.
I look for 'a deal', for sure. Why wouldn't I when supposedly 'top' cricket bats retail for £600. I am not wealthy. And, in any case, mediocre cricketers spending this sort of money on bats look ridiculous, in my opinion.
I only want a bat to feel nice in my hands and ping nicely.
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Reading this I agree about the signatures being great value for money bats
So I think when the signature noir is available or diamond signature I may have a look
Anyone spot keen prices so far
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Reading this I agree about the signatures being great value for money bats
So I think when the signature noir is available or diamond signature I may have a look
Anyone spot keen prices so far
(https://www.prodirectcricket.com/productimages/Gallery_1/V3_1_Gallery_1_0353269.jpg?imwidth=768)
https://www.prodirectcricket.com/products/Gunn-Moore-Noir-Signature-Cricket-Bat-White-Black-Cricket-Bats-193527.aspx (https://www.prodirectcricket.com/products/Gunn-Moore-Noir-Signature-Cricket-Bat-White-Black-Cricket-Bats-193527.aspx)
£112.50 + £11.95 overseas shipping.
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What a load of nonsense.
I watched a gm video where the gm host says what i said re low density clets for bigger player edition bats in sensible weights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VNsvC2Dwjw8
At 13:00
Makes sense?
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Reading this I agree about the signatures being great value for money bats
So I think when the signature noir is available or diamond signature I may have a look
Anyone spot keen prices so far
120 quid from owzat
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I watched a gm video where the gm host says what i said re low density clets for bigger player edition bats in sensible weights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VNsvC2Dwjw8
At 13:00
Makes sense?
Yes, except no-one believes bigger is better anymore?
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Reading this I agree about the signatures being great value for money bats
So I think when the signature noir is available or diamond signature I may have a look
Anyone spot keen prices so far
£130 with next day delivery, a customer service that includes replies to questions, and an endless supply of pictures of the bat
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Have to give it to six sixes cricket
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THREAD = DERAILED
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Yes, except no-one believes bigger is better anymore?
don't they?
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Yes, except no-one believes bigger is better anymore?
Think these bats are bigger as no concaving, which most ppl want. Ppl would favour low density over high density. Usually top bats are hand made with more care from good willow so its hard to untangle individual factors contributing to superior performance.
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don't they?
Not if they've got bat gauges to worry about?
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The best value for money branded bats can be purchased online or from 1 of the 586 Sportsdirect stores which allow buyers to walk in and pick up and feel the pings on offer and leave with a bargain.
But then forum members would never be caught dead walking into a Sportsdirect store :)
The bat with the best ping I ever bought cost me £50 from sports direct. I used it the day after buying it and scored a ton. The next game was the last game of the season and I scored 36* off 20 balls with some huge 6s.
It then broke the first time I used it in winter nets, so overall, not the best bat I've owned, but still, 136 runs not out for £50.
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The bat with the best ping I ever bought cost me £50 from sports direct. I used it the day after buying it and scored a ton. The next game was the last game of the season and I scored 36* off 20 balls with some huge 6s.
It then broke the first time I used it in winter nets, so overall, not the best bat I've owned, but still, 136 runs not out for £50.
Clearly from their 'pressed for immediate performance not to last' section.
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Clearly from their 'pressed for immediate performance not to last' section.
Which bats have you purchased from Sportsdirect? :)
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Which bats have you purchased from Sportsdirect? :)
None.
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Which bats have you purchased from Sportsdirect? :)
Bought a size 6 slazenger (wrapped in some plaster tape) for my brother when he was a junior... it was awful!
he replaced it with a harrow from Raje sports which was way better and only cost £50 I think (was a while ago). Proper English willow. - which I suspect was an RNS Larsons as Raje sports and RNS stickers looked the same but had the name changed.
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Think these bats are bigger as no concaving, which most ppl want. Ppl would favour low density over high density. Usually top bats are hand made with more care from good willow so its hard to untangle individual factors contributing to superior performance.
Sort of agree with you in that if a guy whom is pressing bats is face with a cleft that cost a lot he's liable to make sure he does the best he can to ensure performance is good in pressing the bat. Like most have said though, a good presser will do each one (or at least most) perfectly and consistently. Not sure I agree with you about concaving as it is one means of balancing a bat - to me performance and pick up are equally important - looks far less so.
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Which bats have you purchased from Sportsdirect? :)
Sports Direct is an absolute quality lottery, some real junk in there, but at least you can pick the bat up and get a feel for it (and maybe even knock a ball against it). Occasionally if you need a bat at short notice you find an absolute bargain.
Decathlon also sell a slightly better range of bats at competitive prices. I've bought a few from there in the past.
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Thanks for the kind words @KettonJake and I agree whole heartedly with your post. Even in this GM thread we are talking about Sports Direct and the number of negative comments Edward recieved was harsh and for some must have been a tad embarrassing. As for this paragon signatures maybe it was the shape as having owned a paragon I couldn’t get on with it and never felt confident.
One thing that makes so much sense is the amount spent on a bat wasted if the ability doesn’t back it up, a £600 bat will not make you play better, however for some if you like the top end kit and it’s not stretching you financially then I totally agree with your purchase.
Going back to this thread I really hope those that visit on Friday have a lovely time and look forward to seeing peoples pictures
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Will stick a few pictures on, looking forward to it.
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Will stick a few pictures on, looking forward to it.
Gutted I can’t make it but A) it’s half term and have my daughter B) my wife is expecting our 1st child in a matter of days and that would end my career and life if I missed that due to being looking around GM although I have told her I will be going soon even if it means kids in toe
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Gutted I can’t make it but A) it’s half term and have my daughter B) my wife is expecting our 1st child in a matter of days and that would end my career and life if I missed that due to being looking around GM although I have told her I will be going soon even if it means kids in toe
Congrats, hope all goes well. Get as much sleep as you can in now!
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Congrats, hope all goes well. Get as much sleep as you can in now!
Tell me about it especially as I have a 12 year gap between my first and now
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Have a wonderful time today folks!
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Tell me about it especially as I have a 12 year gap between my first and now
The first 18 months is hard work!
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Have a great day everyone.
Unless there are pictures and videos, it didn't happen!
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Have a great day everyone.
Unless there are pictures and videos, it didn't happen!
They’ll be plenty!
Hopefully I’ll be able to work out how to upload them later on!
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Enjoy fellas. Looking forward to hearing all about it.
Wish I could have gone with you, but I couldn't get the time off work :(
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Enjoy fellas. Looking forward to hearing all about it.
Wish I could have gone with you, but I couldn't get the time off work :(
Enjoy,
I couldn't get time off work, permission from the Mrs or find flights to anywhere nearby, but I'll make it one day...
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cant wait to see the photos and stories! enjoy lads!
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I couldn’t get permission off the Mrs to fly home from Greece early however I have bumped into Ryan Sidebottom in the hotel a few times. Very pleasant bloke and a big lad, I’m 6’2” and he dwarfs me
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I couldn’t get permission off the Mrs to fly home from Greece early however I have bumped into Ryan Sidebottom in the hotel a few times. Very pleasant bloke and a big lad, I’m 6’2” and he dwarfs me
Did you ask if he any pro bats going spare?
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Did you ask if he any pro bats going spare?
Lower order players have their bats pressed differently :)
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His partner is from Teesside, asked him if he wanted to sign on for us for when he’s in the area. Told him he might have to be first change though 😉
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Did you ask if he any pro bats going spare?
Actually yes...
They had one made for stokes that was storm damaged..
Basically not for sale!
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Do they grade bats on looks or performance?
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Do they grade bats on looks or performance?
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You don't really know, then?
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You obviously don't play vinyl, either, because the broken record you pictured would no way repeat.
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You obviously don't play vinyl, either, because the broken record you pictured would no way repeat.
The whole expression is actually quite inaccurate. Debris on the disk tended to cause skipping or repeating, rather than an actual break...
Any more hairs you want to split?
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I am very happy with Discogs grading system. With records, how the vinyl looks and plays is usually closely related.
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More commonly, a scratch causes a record to 'get stuck' or repeat. This is where the expression 'broken record' comes from, I think
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Do they grade bats on looks or performance?
We grade bats on our assessment of their performance, in conjunction with the look and feel of that particular cleft.
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Do they grade bats on looks or performance?
As has been explained on numerous occasions, GM grade on looks aligned to the Wrights approach with upgrading and downgrading also done on weight.
This is pretty straightforward and transparent.
Which is also why you can get low grade bargains. Heart wood bats, for example get downgraded to below 808.
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As has been explained on numerous occasions, GM grade on looks aligned to the Wrights approach with upgrading and downgrading also done on weight.
This is pretty straightforward and transparent.
Which is also why you can get low grade bargains. Heart wood bats, for example get downgraded to below 808.
If it's straightforward and been clearly explained many times, it's funny that your explanation doesn't match the one directly above. Isn't it?
Nevermind.
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We grade bats on our assessment of their performance, in conjunction with the look and feel of that particular cleft.
Thanks again, Mr Lowry.
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@Buzz heartwood seems to be punished slightly less this year, saw a few originals and le with a tiny bit of heartwood although there will be some stunning signature and 808 bats knocking around!!
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If it's straightforward and been clearly explained many times, it's funny that your explanation doesn't match the one directly above. Isn't it?
Nevermind.
You sir, are a pedant of the highest order.
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You sir, are a pedant of the highest order.
If you read the two posts, they are completely different, so quite clearly I'm not.
Perhaps you don't like admitting you got it wrong? Perhaps you were too busy being a sycophant to actually try and get the correct information?
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Oh dear guys there's no need for this . It's only a bat
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Well this is fun.
Clearly the factory visit didn't happen then... 😢🏏
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Well this is fun.
Clearly the factory visit didn't happen then... 😢🏏
You should have gone?
I'm quite happy to take Mr Lowry's word.
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Well this is fun.
Clearly the factory visit didn't happen then... 😢🏏
@Tailendfielder will upload all of our pics tomorrow,
The rest of us can’t figure it out :(
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Its really easy. Go to postimage.org, upload your pic (message board size), copy the direct link, paste between the things on here and you are sorted! :D
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Christ.
12 pages of pedantry of whether to buy a brand of bat.
GM have been wonderfully open and honest and yet still we’re still questioning them.
It’s imposible (no matter what might be said) to predict performance in the future,sometimes they start a dud and become a gem, sometimes they’re a gem straight out the box and stay that way and sometimes they’re just crap permanently.
The owner of a global sports brand (not just cricket) is willing to come on our pokey little forum and answer our questions. Can’t we just be thankful for that and not cross examine every single word?
This is why there’s no sponsors getting involved anymore.....
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Where’s all the pics of lovely GM kit-
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Think this needs to be accepted but also means sending big money on bats is somewhat pointless at times
It�s imposible (no matter what might be said) to predict performance in the future,sometimes they start a dud and become a gem, sometimes they�re a gem straight out the box and stay that way and sometimes they�re just crap permanently
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Where’s all the pics of lovely GM kit-
Tomorrow mate
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The owner of a global sports brand (not just cricket)....
I'm sorry, but... oh, nothing.
Goodnight.
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To be fair, I don't think it's unreasonable to question any brand, whether they're on the forum or not, when they appear to have contrasting statements on grading (which are now cleared up) and are claiming scuff sheets improving performance. This is stuff that should be understood if you're spending £500 a bat. Appreciate the posting style and 12 pages probably aren't the best way to get answers though.
I it is always appreciated when knowledgeable people (like Edward) from the brands pop on, these questions are how we learn things, perhaps there could be a better way for us to ask these questions in a less confrontational manner. A formal Q & A perhaps? Also looking forward to the pics and insights those from today have to share.
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Any pics, anyone? Did anyone find a gem?
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Pics will be up later today, lots of gems in the signature 808 range in general this year
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Haha I think you might want to check that Dave, as lovely as the entrance is 😝
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Haha I think you might want to check that Dave, as lovely as the entrance is 😝
dunno what you mean
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Ahh the handles are all the same now great
Keen to know the pressing differences and what that means
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Looks like a fab day had by all, put of interest who did the Mana belong to? Looks like a serious size bat from the pics
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Sounds like you all had a great day as expected. A superb set up and great bunch of guys behind and making the brand 👍
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Looks like a fab day had by all, put of interest who did the Mana belong to? Looks like a serious size bat from the pics
Samit Patel
It was massive but felt every ounce of its 2lb 13
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Great stuff!
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Was mid right up but my phone is being a k (No Swearing Please)
I’ll type one out when I’m home later!
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Samit Patel
It was massive but felt every ounce of its 2lb 13
That’s a heavy bat to use in any format, must be a strong guy that samit, maybe we have it wrong and it’s all muscle he is carrying lol
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Was a fantastic day out! Even my brother who is a part time cricketer, said how much he enjoyed it and was glad he went with me.
I went with an open mind and like most on here I've used a boutique brand and an Asian brand as my main bats. Mainly because I just thought the big boys churn out bats in bulk, and don't put in the extra TLC that the smaller bat makers do. I still hold this view for some of the larger brands but GM have totally changed my perception of them.
Firstly, as mentioned by someone else on here, what other large manufacturer's Owners take time out to invite members of a small forum and take time out to be there too? I was genuinely surprised and impressed at how GM meld technology and human skill to produce their bats. The quality control at each stage is amazing. A few key things that impressed me:
- Clefts are graded at the start and the same person will reevaluate and grade the end
- The higher end grade bats are pressed differently and go through 2 different presses, whereas the lower grade bats just go through a single press
- The attention to detail when splicing and fitting handles is impressive, no wonder people have been raving about their handles
- PS All handles are the same
- They use the same binding since forever and it is special twine manufactured in Nottinghamshire
- When the bats get to pressing if the moisture content is not correct for the cleft the cleft will be sent back
- Although they use CNC machines, the final shaping and finishing is done by hand
- They use a special built grip application machine to ensure the grip is fitted precisely
- Oh and the reason labels are stuck over the scuff sheet is because they don't like fogging the sheet causes and are immensely proud of their brand
Thanks to Phil Tebbutt, the Site's General Manager we were given a chance to choose bats from a special basket (we'd have been there all day if they let us loose on other baskets :) ), which were put aside with our names on, still had to place orders via their website in order to process payments. I chose a beautiful Noir 808 and have to say the grading is very generous. I think we were all eager to get a bat to remember the day, but after the tour and seeing how much care is taken I really wanted a bat !
Cant wait for it to arrive. Thanks to @Edward Lowy and the team. Great day. Having seen the factory, I'd happily buy a GM bat and recommend them now from the big boys.
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PS Although I went for an 808. Have to say the Signature grade has to be one of the best value for money grade bat out there!
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Great pics and good on them for giving up a day for the forum
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This is pretty big! Is this even legal. :D
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PS Although I went for an 808. Have to say the Signature grade has to be one of the best value for money grade bat out there!
What is the price of a Signature? Are they available in shorter blades (1 inch or more)?
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Thanks to Phil Tebbutt, the Site's General Manager we were given a chance to choose bats from a special basket (we'd have been there all day if they let us loose on other baskets :) ), which were put aside with our names on, still had to place orders via their website in order to process payments. I chose a beautiful Noir 808 and have to say the grading is very generous. I think we were all eager to get a bat to remember the day, but after the tour and seeing how much care is taken I really wanted a bat !
That's awesome! I want one too!!
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What is the price of a Signature? Are they available in shorter blades (1 inch or more)?
They’re basically a 707 so around 130 from retailers and for shorter blade depends on model
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What is the price of a Signature? Are they available in shorter blades (1 inch or more)?
You'd have to have a look at the catalogue to see if it's available in smaller blades, I'm not sure. Its essentially a split on grading on a 707 i think (correct me those that were there).
Just looking at pro direct they have Signatures at £135! Should be i that ball park. Represents amazing value. Try @Six Sixes Cricket !
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@Six Sixes Cricket had some crazy looking bats for sale!
If you fancy a Sig at £130, please buy them, as I have been trying to hold myself back!! :(
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I can see some lovely GM colour pads and gloves. Any retailer on here will have them in stock? I am keen on having the black colour.
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I can see some lovely GM colour pads and gloves. Any retailer on here will have them in stock? I am keen on having the black colour.
Coloured scheme is on pre orders only, so gm won’t be holding stock
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This is pretty big! Is this even legal. :D
Nope, picked up really well.
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Thanks for the photos and write ups guys, looks like you all had a fab day.
The fact that we've got one of the top bat manufacturers in the world giving forum members a guided tour speaks volumes about their business and how much pride they have in what they do.
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Good on the GM guys
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What did the people on the trip think of the new range? Especially the Diamond.
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What did the people on the trip think of the new range? Especially the Diamond.
Diamond was my preferred profile before seeing it but was probably my least favourite pickup on the day. That said, there was a bin of original and le and the pick up on a couple of thoose was ace.
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What did the people on the trip think of the new range? Especially the Diamond.
The theee new bats are all exceptional
In order though
Noir
Mythos
Diamond
All three seem better than the continued bats imo
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Sounds like a great day, GM one of the best out there
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Looks like the noir or let's be real the old chrome is one of the
Best out there wish it had a bow though
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So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?
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So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?
Noir
Hands down the best shape I’ve seen for a long time
Gm said it was proving incredibly popular already
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So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?
They are both great, so naturally gone for one of each ;)
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Noir
Hands down the best shape I’ve seen for a long time
Gm said it was proving incredibly popular already
What's the swell position on the NOir?
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What's the swell position on the NOir?
http://www.unicornsmartboard.com/media/wysiwyg/pdfs/BOC2019_iPad_Interactive.pdf (http://www.unicornsmartboard.com/media/wysiwyg/pdfs/BOC2019_iPad_Interactive.pdf)
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^ Cool!
Mythos has the right swell position for me.
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Looks like a fascinating day. With the care they take over every bat it is no suprise that they are the best and most consistent of all the big brands.
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Gunn and Moore went 'above and beyond' hosting Friday' factory visit. The five of us lucky enough to attend were hosted by 8 GM luminaries - Edward and Richard, (MD and Sales Director), Peter (the former MD, ECB Board member, former Chairman of Notts CCC), along with sales and marketing staff and a science bod (Dr James). Phil (who manages the site) organised a great day - nothing was too much trouble.
We started with a look at a number of historic bats (going back beyond 200 years, when it was a very different sport). These included the aluminium bat famously used (briefly) and thrown in a Test match by Dennis Lille, a Test used bat of former MD, Reg Simpson and a huge chunk of willow used recently by Samit Patel (pre - bat size Regs). This was followed by a general chat and a look at the GM 2019 Marketing video.
Having passed through the huge warehouse (including darts and snooker equipment all made by the parent, Unicorn Group), we entered the yard to begin our tour. I won't go into detail, as there are various videos online showing a tour. The tour took us from a large tree trunk through the various stages of cutting into rounds, splitting into clefts, cutting the clefts, drying the clefts in various stages, before moving indoors to the grading area and a humidity controlled room. Highlights included seeing a bat originally intended for Ben Stokes, but rejected because of the signs of storm damage. There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.
There was a feel of a happy firm as various employees we spoke to revealed they had worked there for 30 odd years. Each craftsman specialising in one part of the process, (cutting the clefts; grading; cutting and fitting the handles; operating the CNC machine; pressing; final shaping; knocking in; polishing and of course, applying the stickers as the final seal of approval).
Our tour guides were happy to field any and all questions, share experiences and opinions. They were very open about the whole process and the reasons behind each action. A generous lunch, more cricket chat and close look at the 2019 range of bats and softs followed. When they invited us to have a look at a bin of bats we could select from to buy, there was a stampede back to the factory.
A few points that may be worth mentioning, as they come from the 'horses mouth' not just received wisdom from an unknown source -
Knocking in - no need to spend hours on this. Round the edges, do some modest work on the toe and edges, then a couple of nets with an old ball, Et voila. Using substantial magnification of bat fibres after typical knocking-in of an edge revealed damage to the fibres, no positive compression.
Oiling - raw linseed oil should be used. It seals the bat - retaining the moisture in the bat, whilst reducing external moisture from entering the bat. It does not serve to somehow 'condition', or soften the fibres for knocking in. scuff sheets have an advantage of also retaining moisture in the face of a bat.
Handles - the same handle is used across the range. Handle weights can vary by an oz or two - this is one very good reason not to be too specific on an absolute dead weight of bat (eg has to be 2lb 9.5 oz or it feels too heavy). Go by the pick up.
Long blade/ handle - (I hope I have got this right, use this as an indication of the reasoning, feel free to research more, eg - http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf (http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf) ) a longer blade moves the node of vibration further away from the centre of percussion. This can impact on the discomfort felt by the batsman and reduce the effectiveness of the shot (due to vibration). Shorter blade bats (eg 540mm) are proving very popular because the two areas are coinciding more closely. Therefore, if a longer bat is needed, a long handle (unless you are a handle choker) is a more efficient style.
A huge thank you to Edward, Richard, Peter, Phil and all your colleagues both in and out of the factory, who gave us a fantastic insight into the reality of bat making. Should any of you have the chance to visit, do take the day off work and go - you will enjoy it immensely and learn a huge amount.
David
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There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.
Ah yes the rejects shelf..thanks David for reminding about that.
Forgot about that. This only exists because retailers feel they can't shift them as customers won't buy them. Which brings me onto the next point... these bats are not sold but given to sponsored players! Obviously not high profile players. As mentioned there were some absolute beauties in there that user's on here would jump at if given the chance... yet somehow they aren't good enough for retail... :o :(
GM do not misgrade... they just have a very generous grading system.
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Ah yes the rejects shelf..thanks David for reminding about that.
Forgot about that. This only exists because retailers feel they can't shift them as customers won't buy them. Which brings me onto the next point... these bats are not sold but given to sponsored players! Obviously not high profile players. As mentioned there were some absolute beauties in there that user's on here would jump at if given the chance... yet somehow they aren't good enough for retail... :o :(
GM do not misgrade... they just have a very generous grading system.
So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...
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So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...
Based on that logic you could do... but its highlights how retailers want better looking bats because customers do! The blemishes on some were nowhere near the playing area and guess there would have been no impact on playing areas...
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So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...
Only the junior sponsored and county 2s sponsored
Any county first team will have their own shape or a tweak on a shape
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Gunn and Moore went 'above and beyond' hosting Friday' factory visit. The five of us lucky enough to attend were hosted by 8 GM luminaries - Edward and Richard, (MD and Sales Director), Peter (the former MD, ECB Board member, former Chairman of Notts CCC), along with sales and marketing staff and a science bod (Dr James). Phil (who manages the site) organised a great day - nothing was too much trouble.
We started with a look at a number of historic bats (going back beyond 200 years, when it was a very different sport). These included the aluminium bat famously used (briefly) and thrown in a Test match by Dennis Lille, a Test used bat of former MD, Reg Simpson and a huge chunk of willow used recently by Samit Patel (pre - bat size Regs). This was followed by a general chat and a look at the GM 2019 Marketing video.
Having passed through the huge warehouse (including darts and snooker equipment all made by the parent, Unicorn Group), we entered the yard to begin our tour. I won't go into detail, as there are various videos online showing a tour. The tour took us from a large tree trunk through the various stages of cutting into rounds, splitting into clefts, cutting the clefts, drying the clefts in various stages, before moving indoors to the grading area and a humidity controlled room. Highlights included seeing a bat originally intended for Ben Stokes, but rejected because of the signs of storm damage. There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.
There was a feel of a happy firm as various employees we spoke to revealed they had worked there for 30 odd years. Each craftsman specialising in one part of the process, (cutting the clefts; grading; cutting and fitting the handles; operating the CNC machine; pressing; final shaping; knocking in; polishing and of course, applying the stickers as the final seal of approval).
Our tour guides were happy to field any and all questions, share experiences and opinions. They were very open about the whole process and the reasons behind each action. A generous lunch, more cricket chat and close look at the 2019 range of bats and softs followed. When they invited us to have a look at a bin of bats we could select from to buy, there was a stampede back to the factory.
A few points that may be worth mentioning, as they come from the 'horses mouth' not just received wisdom from an unknown source -
Knocking in - no need to spend hours on this. Round the edges, do some modest work on the toe and edges, then a couple of nets with an old ball, Et voila. Using substantial magnification of bat fibres after typical knocking-in of an edge revealed damage to the fibres, no positive compression.
Oiling - raw linseed oil should be used. It seals the bat - retaining the moisture in the bat, whilst reducing external moisture from entering the bat. It does not serve to somehow 'condition', or soften the fibres for knocking in. scuff sheets have an advantage of also retaining moisture in the face of a bat.
Handles - the same handle is used across the range. Handle weights can vary by an oz or two - this is one very good reason not to be too specific on an absolute dead weight of bat (eg has to be 2lb 9.5 oz or it feels too heavy). Go by the pick up.
Long blade/ handle - (I hope I have got this right, use this as an indication of the reasoning, feel free to research more, eg - [url]http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf[/url]) ) a longer blade moves the node of vibration further away from the centre of percussion. This can impact on the discomfort felt by the batsman and reduce the effectiveness of the shot (due to vibration). Shorter blade bats (eg 540mm) are proving very popular because the two areas are coinciding more closely. Therefore, if a longer bat is needed, a long handle (unless you are a handle choker) is a more efficient style.
A huge thank you to Edward, Richard, Peter, Phil and all your colleagues both in and out of the factory, who gave us a fantastic insight into the reality of bat making. Should any of you have the chance to visit, do take the day off work and go - you will enjoy it immensely and learn a huge amount.
David
Many thanks for the write up and big thanks to the Nottingham 5 who took the time to come and visit with us. We very much enjoyed having you all along and having a bit of time to show you what we do. We are extremely proud of our people and our processes and are thrilled to share GM with you.
I am particularly interested in a view coming through that GM is one of the Big Brands (that bit I get) so therefore we don't care about every bat (that bit I don't). Nothing could be further from the truth as I think the 5 have seen for themselves. Our people are - I'm going to say it - the most skilled and the most experienced in the industry. We care about every piece of timber that passes through our collective hands, indeed that is why the DXM process is not just about machinery, it is about the gathering of information, understanding and continual improvement.
Conversely, many so called "boutique" brands do no more than buy in part-finished clefts from India, do a minor amount of work and labelling and call it their own. Small isn't always beautiful. I do not mean to offend, I quite appreciate that there are some skilled artisans out there doing a great job for their customers making beautiful bats from the tree to you. Just not everyone.
For our part, we can do no more than show you around GM and on Friday it was our pleasure to do so.
Best wishes
Edward
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Many thanks for the write up and big thanks to the Nottingham 5 who took the time to come and visit with us. We very much enjoyed having you all along and having a bit of time to show you what we do. We are extremely proud of our people and our processes and are thrilled to share GM with you.
I am particularly interested in a view coming through that GM is one of the Big Brands (that bit I get) so therefore we don't care about every bat (that bit I don't). Nothing could be further from the truth as I think the 5 have seen for themselves. Our people are - I'm going to say it - the most skilled and the most experienced in the industry. We care about every piece of timber that passes through our collective hands, indeed that is why the DXM process is not just about machinery, it is about the gathering of information, understanding and continual improvement.
Conversely, many so called "boutique" brands do no more than buy in part-finished clefts from India, do a minor amount of work and labelling and call it their own. Small isn't always beautiful. I do not mean to offend, I quite appreciate that there are some skilled artisans out there doing a great job for their customers making beautiful bats from the tree to you. Just not everyone.
For our part, we can do no more than show you around GM and on Friday it was our pleasure to do so.
Best wishes
Edward
Even Jesus had his critics Edward!
Sounds like everyone had a fantastic time. Ive never had a brand new GM before but after hearing all the positive feedback from the 5 that went i think 2019 will be the year. @Six Sixes Cricket can you line me up something nice please?
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Certainly @LateBloomer , which model currently takes your fancy?
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Even Jesus had his critics Edward!
Sounds like everyone had a fantastic time. Ive never had a brand new GM before but after hearing all the positive feedback from the 5 that went i think 2019 will be the year. @Six Sixes Cricket can you line me up something nice please?
Well this is true!
We had a great day, looking forward to the next one!
Kind regards
Edward
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Certainly @LateBloomer , which model currently takes your fancy?
I like the look of the Mythos, slightly shorter blade is that right? But am open to your suggestions
As a reference - the balance of that Chase I had from you is perfect for me
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With the Signature looking the stand out bat, particularly at the price point does this sit above the 808 in that it goes through the ‘better’ two press process or only through the single press?
Sorry, I’m still not 100% on where these sit in the range.
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Signature is about 707 range, and therefore doesn’t get the second press.
They said it changed the feel, didn’t say it made the bat any better. Didnt say it made it worse though.
Was the reason to make the lower range bats last longer, or simply that a single press saves time?
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Signature is about 707 range, and therefore doesn’t get the second press.
They said it changed the feel, didn’t say it made the bat any better. Didnt say it made it worse though.
Sorry I assumed that it must produce a better product if was completed only on the higher end bats.
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With the Signature looking the stand out bat, particularly at the price point does this sit above the 808 in that it goes through the ‘better’ two press process or only through the single press?
Sorry, I’m still not 100% on where these sit in the range.
Signature and 707 are relative to each other and below 808, so i'm guessing one press. That said i've reviewed 606's and signatures and found no issue with their press. I think I said n a recent review I could tell the pressing had improved.
Loved reading most of this thread and well done to the lads for the write-up and GM for a great day and full transparency. Great company.
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@Edward Lowy please can you explain the two styles of press you use?
What is the difference between the way you press bats 808 and upwards and the lower end offerings, and what does this achieve?
Thank you in advance
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I would like to know why your bats aren’t bowed. Is there a particular reason for this?
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I would like to know why your bats aren’t bowed. Is there a particular reason for this?
i forgot to ask this
however
when the handles are fitted they are set slightly forward which gives them a hint of a shape
I think this is a quirk of a GM bat and something the brand has decided to do
there are some bats in the range that have a bow, i think the Zelos is onw
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@Edward Lowy please can you explain the two styles of press you use?
What is the difference between the way you press bats 808 and upwards and the lower end offerings, and what does this achieve?
Thank you in advance
I think there may have been something lost in translation here - all full size bats are pressed the same irrespective of grade. We use two presses, one hydraulic and one mechanical as over time we have found that a combination of the both provides the best and most consistent pressing.
Kind regards
Edward
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I would like to know why your bats aren’t bowed. Is there a particular reason for this?
Zelos blade is bowed and, yes, as mentioned elsewhere, all GM bats have a "set" to the handle / blade which gives a natural curve.
Try one Guru, it will be a life changing event!
Kind regards
Edward
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i forgot to ask this
however
when the handles are fitted they are set slightly forward which gives them a hint of a shape
I think this is a quirk of a GM bat and something the brand has decided to do
there are some bats in the range that have a bow, i think the Zelos is onw
You after my job?! :D :D :D
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You after my job?! :D :D :D
Not at all!
Although if theres anything going... :D
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I think there may have been something lost in translation here - all full size bats are pressed the same irrespective of grade. We use two presses, one hydraulic and one mechanical as over time we have found that a combination of the both provides the best and most consistent pressing.
Kind regards
Edward
So GM only press in one way then?? I.E a signature bat is pressed exactly the same way and the same amount of times as an OLE
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Not at all!
Although it’s theres anything going... :D
In the Darts division or Snooker/Pool cues? :D :D :D :D