Agar is in.. Game over poms ;)
I think Lyon gets hard done by. He's taken his wickets at 33, not terrible by any means...
But I do like the look of Agar!
From the stats on the BBC website:
Comparing the lunchtime score on the first day of last five Ashes series to the eventual winner: 2010/11: Eng 86-2 (Eng win series); 2009: Eng 93-3 (Eng win); 2006/7: Aus 109-1 (Aus win); 2005: Aus 97-5 (Eng win); 2002/3: Aus 125-1 (Aus win).
You'd have to say that with those, England would be on for a series win!
P.S. that Saffer thing will never get old, always good fun! :)
Siddle has five as Prior has a brain explosion.You couldn't be much more right. Out of all the wickets to fall so far today, possibly only Root and Bell were actually got out. The others were daft shot selection.
I reckon the Oz bowlers have been somewhat underwhelming today, but English batsmen have been donating their wickets to a worthy cause.
Strange, strange day.
Falling apart... Between tests, players should play county 4 day cricket, not ODI and T20... The one that got bell was a beauty though.
Still don't really understand why Cook chose to bat.
Falling apart... Between tests, players should play county 4 day cricket, not ODI and T20... The one that got bell was a beauty though.
Still don't really understand why Cook chose to bat.
sub fielder on already for Broad
really winds me up the amount sub fielders are used in international cricket, constantly on and off
Not as much as it wound up Ponting...
Watson did not need to play at that.
Cowan had even less reason to play at that.
2 down in a hurry.
Don't think Cowan will be playing the next test after that effort... Awful shot.
I really don't see why the Aussies don't give usman khawaja another go. The little I have seen of him, he looks a good player. Maybe give him a extended run and he will come good, all teams nowadays are far too quick to get rid of players after a bad series. A lot of the time it can have a detrimental affect on a player.I reckon he'll be playing the next test after seeing Cowan's shot selection first ball...
What a jaffa from jimmy!
I'm sorry but Steven smith at no. 5, it doesn't really fill the opposition with fear.
This! Not seen too much of Hughes but he was worked out pretty comfortably last time he played against England wasn't he?
Given that he went out every different way imagineable in that last series in Australia, I would like you to tell me just "what" the worked out consisted of?
He was bowled, caught behind, run out, caught at cover...what was the plan?
Given that he was averaging only 16 in FC cricket that summer, Lord only knows why he was brought in. The selectors did him no favours at all.
That sir is excellent knowledge.
My mind must have jumped on the short ball bandwagon!
Relying on Smith AND Hughes...good grief!
Sadly (from an Aussie perspective), this will be the tone of the northern summer...Aussie bowlers perform minor miracles, Aussie batsmen screwing it up royally.
We better get used to it.
After Harmison got Hughes with a beauty in the Aust vs Lions game, it was decided that Hughes had a weakness vs the ball at the body (more specifically, the chest).
When Flintoff dismissed Hughes for 36 at Sophia Gardens during the first test with an identical ball to Harmison's, it seemed to confirm it.
Hughes has NEVER been dismissed that way ever again!
At Lord's Hughes was caught behind for 4 strangled down the leg side (the unluckiest form of dismissal). In the second innings, Strauss claimed a catch at second slip that bounced nearly six inches in front of him and Hughes dismissed for 16 was on his way out of the test team (unfairly IMHO).
In Australia in teh fowllow up series, Katich damaged his achillies in the second test and Hughes was brought in even though he was having a nightmare summer being totally out of form. In those three tests, he went out in every concievable manner with no one dismissal following a pattern. Simply put, he was out of form and should not have been playing at all.
The NZers DID have a pattern though. Caught Guptill (second slip) bowled Martin...simply slanting across Hughes and letting Hughes do the rest.
Will be interesting what tactics are adopted to him in this series and how Hughes deals with it all.
Do you have a photographic memory Vic? Freakish lolA man who knows his stuff certainly. Shame he disappears for longest periods. The conversation is always more fun when Vic is around! (Genuinely)
On the topic of injuries, has there been any news about Broad?Not really.
Do you have a photographic memory Vic? Freakish lol
Bloody hell! Watson can't ever make it through a series without some kind of injury issue. Bowls four over and has a niggle, useless!! His fragility is only hurting Australia. Perhaps it's time to give it up...or at the very least stop bowling.
Hughes has NEVER been dismissed that way ever again!
Let's focus on the failings of the England batting...
Cook out to a ball he's got a known weakness against
Root got a jaffer
Trott out chasing a ball that he would normally just leave
KP got a good ball
Bell should have left it, no need to play it.. another innings where England needed him and he failed
Bairstow, played well but nasser hussain showed his weakness and bang.. it got him out
Broad is poo
Prior .... what a poor poor poor shot
I think the non stop Cricket these guy's are playing is the main reason for these injuries. A flashback for 2013 IPL, champions trophy, T20 game ... Ashes, I may have missed a few games for sure. A human body has some limitations and playing a Test match is a big challenge and getting proper rest is necessary before an important series, specially a Test match..I guess you don't a lot about Watson and how prone he is to injuries. He really shouldn't be bowling if his body can't handle it. He keeps getting injured time and time again because he fancies himself as an allrounder. He performed best and largely injury free when he played purely as an opener.
Not usually in long enough? ;)
I wonder if he can hang around long enough today...
Swann drops Starc at second slip. Poor stuff there.
Agar seems to have some real potential with the bat. Looks likely for promotion if he keeps batting like this.
Is it me or is steve finn just stupid bowling half way down on a slow pitch which is begging to be hit, he's a number 11 full and straight was the flintoff way.
Is it me or is steve finn just stupid bowling half way down on a slow pitch which is begging to be hit, he's a number 11 full and straight was the flintoff way.It's not just you.
Please someone with common sense stand at mid on and tell Finn to bowl over the wicket and pitch it up for gods sake!
Get him in at 3 :)
One positive is the pitch looks flat, I knew that stumping decsion would hurt us.
>:(
Ton for Ponting at the Oval today, is he in the frame for the next test!!!
Yes Ashton Agar !!!!! :) keep going and get your ton mate !
Ton for Ponting at the Oval today, is he in the frame for the next test!!!
Does anyone know the official ECB youtube link for watching the Ashes live ?
Sky Sports? lol
Sky Sports? lol
It's all Finn's fault...
Loving the Pigs tail talk from Holding.
What brand is Agar using?
It's all Finn's fault...
Agar is using a company called TNF CRICKET.
What bat is Agar using? Can't quite make it out from the other side of the office (plasma's on the wall!)
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Facebook group created tonight called Sir Ashton Agar has nearly 11000 likes already haha.
Great partnership, though the wicket looks to be a road, Australia will have to bowl very well when they get their chance...hopefully not for a while yet!!!
Haha, proud to say that I've liked that page. Loving this kid.
Facebook group created tonight called Sir Ashton Agar has nearly 11000 likes already haha.
Great partnership, though the wicket looks to be a road, Australia will have to bowl very well when they get their chance...hopefully not for a while yet!!!
What a shame! An anticlimax!
Never really wanted an aussie to score a ton before.
I feel a bit...dirty...
I don't think so... He walked off the field with a smile from ear to ear... Something we will all remember I think
What are you doing later ;)
Well batted that, if I was Clarke I would toss him the ball for the first over, seriously.
Pretty sure Trott got a bit of bat on that. Why didn't they use hotspot from side on?
Root unlucky.
The strangle down the legside is the unluckiest of all cricket dismissals.
Is that Vic being sympathetic to the English???
He must have had sun stroke.
Trott has hit that. Shambles again
Pretty sure Trott got a bit of bat on that. Why didn't they use hotspot from side on?
The Agar decision might have been a poor one, but England can't gripe about Trott. Watching live I thought he'd got a little feather on it but the replays were pretty conclusive that it had gone straight on to pad.thank god some1 else sees the same as me. no bat!
Are you lot blind? The front on replay clearly shows a deviation in the path of the ball as it passed the bat.
it doesn't - it shows the bat hitting the foot and the relative position of the pad to the ball moving as a result.The angle at which the ball hits the pad clearly shows that it has deviated off the bat.
though my nephew has just made an interesting point querying whether there was some element of umpires call to it, I would still have given it myself.
The angle at which the ball hits the pad clearly shows that it has deviated off the bat.
it doesn't - it shows the bat hitting the foot and the relative position of the pad to the ball moving as a result.
though my nephew has just made an interesting point querying whether there was some element of umpires call to it, I would still have given it myself.
The snicko revealed only one sound...that of ball hitting pad.
the more and more I watch it, the more the deviation becomes obvious
that combined with the Agar stumping that was turned down, not a great day for 3rd umpire Erasmus, over ruled Dar for the trot decision, but not for the stumping, when neither had conclusive evidence, no consistency
I wonder if agar will stick with TNf for the next test(if picked) or gets offered a better deal elsewhere??
Surely would be on a set time period deal that he can't pull out of wouldn't he?
anyone else think he was using one of Michael Clarke's old bats?I have been closely following that Spartan bat, The glued back middle of the face looks similar but his old one had a bit of wear on the right side toe.
those drs issues today really hurt, an 85 run lead would have been match winning.
anyone else think he was using one of Michael Clarke's old bats?I don't think so. All of Clarke's bats have very flat toes. Agar's bat has a much more rounded toe.
Meanwhile Warren Brennan, a New Zealander who adapted the Hot Spot technology for cricket, contacted the ESPN Cricinfo website to confirm Sky's claim that the "glitch" which cost Trott his wicket was down to "operator error".
Brennan explained that the operator in question had not "triggered the system for the Trott delivery" because he was waiting to offer a replay of the previous ball from which Joe Root was given caught behind down the leg side. Root was left to regret his failure not to call for a review, as those replays showed no proof that he had edged Mitchell Starc's delivery.
"The operator sat on the Root delivery in order to offer a replay from the previous ball and did not realise until it was too late that he should have triggered the system for the Trott delivery as the priority," said Brennan. "Simple mistake, something that anyone could have made but my Hot Spot operator has worked on the system since 2007 and to my knowledge this is the first serious mistake he has made."
So there was no Hotspot for Trott because someone didn't press a button in time :oIn which case the decision should have been left with the on field umpire because, as mentioned earlier, the 3rd Umpire did not have conclusive proof. I expect we'll see a change to the way the DRS process operates and better guidance as to how the umpires are expected to interpret what they see and act.
So... What will england get today? 250 AO? 500 for 3....Really depends on the first hour. If that goes okay, you'll be looking at a bigger score. If not, <250.
I think the England side will get 320 AO by the end of play today and give the Aussies 2 days to chase it down.
Really depends on the first hour. If that goes okay, you'll be looking at a bigger score. If not, <250.
I'm working night so only now realising what happend yesterday afternoon / slash evening,
Firstly bit gutted the young Ashton Agar didn't get a ton in a way but the fact his he should have been out for 6 stumped as i'm led to believe the line is the umpires and maybe Erasmus had one to many sherry's but he is definately out,
Secondly Trott's dismissal sounds so stupid its unreal from any angle and way you look at it i though we had snicko and every other bit of tech in this series and yet Erasmus again can't make the right decision.
something tells me he won't be working for the rest of this series if the ECB have anything to do with it.
But all in all still very disapointed in Finny yesterday for sure as he served up way way to many short ones ona slow pitch, surely he should have been watching what jimmy was doing and pitching the ball up. could prove costly.
Should be a cracking day today and may the best team win
I was gutted the young lad didn't get to a ton as well, what a day that would have been. Ponting for a ashes return in the 4th/5th test anyone ?? :)
In which case the decision should have been left with the on field umpire because, as mentioned earlier, the 3rd Umpire did not have conclusive proof. I expect we'll see a change to the way the DRS process operates and better guidance as to how the umpires are expected to interpret what they see and act.
Cry me a river!
Shermanator Bell edged one in Sydney through to the keeper and Aleem Dar gave it out. Bell did NOT immediatley refer, in fact he consulted with the batsman at the non strikers end...they decided to refer hoping for a no ball. The hot spot showed not much at all. But the naked eye showed a deflection and teh microphones picked up a definite snick. Snicko later confirmed a snick. Bell survived somehow and went on to score his only Ashes hundred.
How about Lords 2009? Ponting given out caught at second slip off the top hat of his pad? Mike Hussey given out caught behind to a ball he missed by about two inches. Phil Hughes given out caught at slip to one that Strauss took on the half volley. Katich was out to a big Flintoff no ball in the same test.
2005 Ashes, Damian Martyn was THREE times in that series given out LBW to balls replays showed he hit. Katich was given out LBW for 54 at Trent Bridge (by Aleem Dar) to a Harmison delivery that was shown to be pitching outside leg AND clearly bouncing over.
How about Lords 2009? Ponting given out caught at second slip off the top hat of his pad?
280
Anything more than 200 is hard to chase down here.
Very surprised at how little Agar has bowled. The seamers have done ok but not really troubling them greatly...
What are people's opinion on Bairstow's position in the England side?
What are people's opinion on Bairstow's position in the England side?
Compton over Root and Root over Bairstow..
But I think the only downside to Compton is our scoring rate gets too low with him there and initiatives can get lost
Apart from KP having a rant about him I don't see what was wrong with James taylor.
My sentiments exactly, I think Taylor deserves another chance.
However i would love to see Rory Hamilton-Brown have a crack in the middle order, granted he's not been at his best recently but with what he's been through its hardly surprising.
Geez Arent we bowling a treat with this new ball....if we aren't careful the poms will put this out of reach at this rate!
Not been able to watch today but there's talk on the bbc text match special of agar chucking. Anyone been watching and can comment?Haven't heard anything on Sky's commentary...
Not been able to watch today but there's talk on the bbc text match special of agar chucking. Anyone been watching and can comment?
Anybody who mentions Carberry, he's averaging 20 in Div2.And is an opener
And is an opener
Even 150 is better than an outside chance with this Aussie batting line up. Swann into the rough to all those Aussie lefties... Mmmm...
Agar and Hughes treated Swan like a club bowler in the first innings.
Not for the first time have Australia manhandled him.
They're all posties aren't they :D
Back in the day those types of intellectually challenged people were put on a boat and shipped overseas.
We must be on top lads!
:D
Yes they have flipped now now.
I have to admit I have been part of the Barmy army a couple of times.....
Better than the pansy puff or whatever there called
Maybe cricket should go back to the days where knitting and sleeping where in order
A terrific match this by the way Vic
And then Bell snicks off and goes for 4 :D
Shocking. From both broad, and the umpire.
Broad has now shown that you can add the word "cheat" in describing him.Because Australians never cheat do they?
Aleem Dar as incompetant as ever.
That was crap keeping by Haddin.
Juxtapose the catch Prior took off Siddle.
Very poor from a man with the gloves at this level.
Having calmed down - you cannot blame Broad for standing his ground when he saw that the umpire was going to give him a gold pass.You're right, but you'd love to think sporting integrity would come above the win-at-all-costs mentality.
The umpire is to blame for missing such an obvious edge.
Because of King John of England, who ruled from 1199-1216, and whose disastrous reign was marked by foreign war, loss of substantial land in Normandy (France), and political upheaval culminating in a baron's revolt and the 1215 drafting of the Magna Carta (Britain's first constitution), which for the first time put limits on the king's powers. So as to be sure there will never be the chance of a John II, royals in line for the throne simply don't name their children John (at least not as a first name).
I (No Swearing Please) love google...
Barmy Army...Barmy Army!!!
You're right, but you'd love to think sporting integrity would come above the win-at-all-costs mentality.
Would like to think I would have walked.
Nice effort, but I CAN assure you that a member of the Saxe-Gotha's, ooops, "Windsor's" has been named John in the last century.
When you understand his wretched fate and how he was written out of history - to such an extant that none of you even have any idea that he existed - you will realise that propaganda and cruelty isn't only something totalitarian regimes engage in.
There is a very good reason why male royal babies are named anything, ANYTHING, except "John".
May his tortured soul rest in peace.
Because of King John of England, who ruled from 1199-1216, and whose disastrous reign was marked by foreign war, loss of substantial land in Normandy (France), and political upheaval culminating in a baron's revolt and the 1215 drafting of the Magna Carta (Britain's first constitution), which for the first time put limits on the king's powers. So as to be sure there will never be the chance of a John II, royals in line for the throne simply don't name their children John (at least not as a first name).What the bloody hell has happened. I know we asked for better conversation lol, not more intelligent conversation.
I (No Swearing Please) love google...
Barmy Army...Barmy Army!!!
Nice effort, but I CAN assure you that a member of the Saxe-Gotha's, ooops, "Windsor's" has been named John in the last century.
When you understand his wretched fate and how he was written out of history - to such an extant that none of you even have any idea that he existed - you will realise that propaganda and cruelty isn't only something totalitarian regimes engage in.
There is a very good reason why male royal babies are named anything, ANYTHING, except "John".
May his tortured soul rest in peace.
I don't understand how people can say they don't blame Broad for not walking. If you hitting it to first slip, its just blatant. And on top of it he looked up as if he didn't know what the fuss was about!to first slip via the keepers gloves! about time we had some fortune go are way.
Sounds intriguing Vic, tell us more.
I said at about 2pm that Clarke might regret wasting his reviews...
Never liked Broad, horrible guy, loves wasting DRS reviews. Probably should have walked. Not often you get given not out when you hit it to 1st slip though...
All in all, an innings Bell really required, about time he scored runs when Eng really needed him.
Little bit far from the Aussies reach now though I think.
I said at about 2pm that Clarke might regret wasting his reviews...
Never liked Broad, horrible guy, loves wasting DRS reviews. Probably should have walked. Not often you get given not out when you hit it to 1st slip though...
All in all, an innings Bell really required, about time he scored runs when Eng really needed him.
Little bit far from the Aussies reach now though I think.
Broad has now shown that you can add the word "cheat" in describing him.
Aleem Dar as incompetant as ever.
350 I reckon England will declare on let bell get 100/150 and broad 50/100 and go from there
Aussies can lump the Broad not walking. I have never met or seen an Aussie walk .
even the revered Gilchrist found it easier to walk when he had.more than 50...
Pattinson is my new least favourite Australian.
He can be a mouthy little so and so when he actually gets a decent number of wickets in a game - at the moment he should just s*u and bowl.
You're right, but you'd love to think sporting integrity would come above the win-at-all-costs mentality.
Would like to think I would have walked.
I don't walk if I can get away with it. Smash it to slip, no chance, but I've had enough shockers and watch the oppo cheat in a similar way to know I get nothing for walking.
Aussies can lump the Broad not walking. I have never met or seen an Aussie walk .
even the revered Gilchrist found it easier to walk when he had.more than 50...
And Mitchell Starc's celebration was unsportsmans like when Trott was wrongly given out.
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Swings and round abouts IMO
And Mitchell Starc's celebration was unsportsmans like when Trott was wrongly given out.
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Swings and round abouts IMO
Yep was going to say "Gilchrist Walking" is a complete myth. I'd be surprised if Clarke didn't downplay it - pot, kettle, black etc.
Broad can claim he didn't feel the edge, and there is no evidence anyone can give to prove otherwise.
Nothing would have been mentioned in any country in 1919 - don't just make it out to be shocking because it happened with the British Monarchy.
Haddin, being the worst keeper/batter in test cricket bar Kamran Akmal,
All in all, an innings Bell really required, about time he scored runs when Eng really needed him.
Scored a hundred against India to ensure the final game was drawn with Trott to ensure the series was won and played a massive hand in the rearguard to ensure the final test against New Zealand was drawn along with the series. Both these examples come from this Winter but as always with Bell these are quickly forgotten and people harp on about him never doing anything when it matters.
Stop defending the indefensible.
The Russian royal family didn't shun Prince Alexei because he was a haemophiliac and in far worse shape than his cousin Prince John.
Moreover, the Russian Czars wished to seek asylum in England...and the German, errr, English royal family REFUSED them.
We are not talking strangers here, we are talking their own cousins...Czar Nicholas was a grandson of Queen Victoria FFS....but no, the British royals allowed them to be murdered. Jolly good show.
Once upon a time (feels like ages) Haddin was a decent bat.
Now he has more brain farts than the whole Pak team combined. (Apologies in advance to Pak batting fans)
Keeping is not worth the hassle either.
His demeanour doesn't help either.
Quite what the relative merits of the effectively pan-European Royal class has got to do with the Ashes I'm not sure, but George V denied his cousin Nicolas asylum against the wishes of Lloyd George (who it could be argued was still in thrall to the concept of Victoria as the Grandmother of Europe and that the family should look after each other). His reasoning was that the British people viewed Nicolas as a tyrant at worst and a throwback to earlier times as an unconstitutional monarch and that Alexandra was pro-German (well she was German).
By allowing him in he was worried that this would cause ferment amongst the British working class (who had felt the effects of the three year war more than anyone elase) and that they'd all be up against the wall.
At this time the primary concern of many of the European ruling classes was revolution (and the war of course) so that's why he justified what he did. Perhaps Nicolas should have gone to his other cousin, Wilhelm. He seemed like a lovely chap as well.
Not that I think the behaviour of a load of inbred rulers a hundred years ago has much bearing on whether Haddin is a decent keeper or if Ian Bell is a bottle merchant!
Quite what the relative merits of the effectively pan-European Royal class has got to do with the Ashes I'm not sure,
Come on Vic lets get back to cricket than this tit for tat crap we don't mention myall creek and so on.
We hanged the perpetrators of the Myall Creek massacre.Ouch! Shall we get back to talking about cricket?
What did you do to those involved in the Amritsar massacre and the organizers of the concentration camps on the High Veldt?
You gave Dyer a medal for the slaughter of circa 1,000 peaceful Indians at Amritsar and Kitchener a medal for the murder of 28,000 innocent Boer women and children in the camps in SA. Both men were the darling of the English press and hailed as national heroes and role models.
Do not even get me started on the criminal behaviour in the aftermath of the Indian Uprising of 1857 or the degenerate behaviour of the Black and Tans in Ireland.
What utter crap.
Show me anecdotal evidence where this was the case.
Ouch! Shall we get back to talking about cricket?
Day 4 about to get underway, Australia need wickets...fast! Haha.
And for the debate about walking...interesting watching the replays of wickets, Bairstow got a faint edge and didn't even look at the umpire was on his bike straight away, obviously knew he hit it and was happy to go. For me, I don't walk unless I've smashed it to 2nd slip! But if I know it's clear then I'm out of there!
Good ton under pressure by Bell! Well played Sir!!
He does look very nervy at the moment. Vic what about Khawaja or dont they see him as a number 3?
I think Clarke should move to 3, as he's currently the best batsman.
My thoughts exactly.
You know what, Rogers really reminds me of Langer.
The difference in reviews between Clarke and Cook has had a massive difference in this test
Too quick with the review and not quick enough with the bat. ;)
Watson is not a enigma this so called obvious talent is simply not there.
Sorry but I would doubt he has ever scored big due to his foot plant any movement he is toast.
He is a flat track bully in the way Sarmaweeera is a good player on in the sub continent.
Versus a Trescothick who didn't move his feet at all, simply relying on a great eye and freeing his arms?
Watson may be a front foot plonker (and a plonker in general), but technically, he is no worse than Tresco.
At least Tresco could turn starts into big scores, I guess.
I suppose a fan of Tresco would argue that not moving your feet, which may well be a conscious decision on his part, does not of itself make for a particularly obvious single mode of dismissal, where as plonking a big dog in front of middle kind of does. Tresco could, if the ball did a bit, rely on natural reactions, whereas Watson has to find a way around that front pad...
Seems a long way off now. But then none of this game has gone to plan at all.
Just wish the Aussies had a review or two left.
Whichever way this game goes, I am really proud of the way the guys have acquitted themselves this morning.
Top effort to make a game of it.
The good thing about this game is its actually a good game.... It's been a tug of war... Aussies on top, then England and so on and so forth
According to cricinfo, Australia have never won an Ashes test by one wicket.
Plus, the biggest 10th wicket partnership to win a game is 57 by Pakistan. This one is at 60...and still 20 more needed.
Not to mention that it has to be a record chase for this ground.
History is still against Australia.
Poor decision again for DRS
That's a terrible way to end the match on an unconvincing DRS. Still, it's one the best test matches I've ever watched!
He hit it though
Fantastic match though I'd rather have seen it end with Finn's leaping catch or Australia getting those last 15 runs than a DRS out.
What a game. What we've learned is thatEngland have made better use of DRS generally than Australia have. Having said that, we've also learned a lot more about how fallible DRS is. I like Agnew's idea. You get one referral, which you use solely for the clanger.
If its a howler why doesn't the 3rd umpire just have the power to over rule... Only for the blatantly obvious shocker though
If its a howler why doesn't the 3rd umpire just have the power to over rule... Only for the blatantly obvious shocker though
That's a terrible way to end the match on an unconvincing DRS. Still, it's one the best test matches I've ever watched!
Then you would have trouble though drawing a line between a shocker and a slightly unknown decision , bringing up even more controversy.
A wins a win, I'd take it however it comes...
Australia's top order gets their (No Swearing Please) together and we will give the poms more of a scare then this. Not many in England gave Australia a chance of even coming close so will be a wake up call for many. Hope Australia can get a win next game
Missed it by a mile ;)
Question: why isn't hot spot showing up like it used to? Maybe they have found something to use on the edges so it doesn't show up as much? Any ideas
what was unconvincing about it? he hit the cover off it, you could tell on the original live feed that it was out!The appeal was unconvincing, as is my crappy online stream! ;)
In the end, the better team won the game. No doubt about that!
I do give you a hope I think England batting is falable but it a battle of who scores the runs as both bowling attacks are similar bar the spin option
not sure about that. If Australia could find batsman who bat as well as their tail they would of stuffed England. Australia outbowled England as a unit.So what you're saying is, the better team won? ;)
England got away with this game. No big first innings score from the batters, who at least knuckled down 2nd innings. England played with 2.5 bowlers for most of the test match and bowled Anderson into the ground. A lot of room for improvement.
there was a piece about this in the Times yesterday - when the temperature gets above 28 the difference between ambient temp and friction induced temp is smaller so you don't get the same clarity.
there was a piece about this in the Times yesterday - when the temperature gets above 28 the difference between ambient temp and friction induced temp is smaller so you don't get the same clarity.
Dod anyone else notice Haddin wearing old school asics?
I've always wondered why he wears them, he's done so for years now. I had a pair in 05/06!
Asics Gel 452
I've always wondered why he wears them, he's done so for years now. I had a pair in 05/06!
Asics Gel 452
But you could clearly see the hot spot on the ball where it hit the pitch.... And it still shows up here in Oz when every game played is well above 28deg... Usually mid to high 30's.
Not convinced with that explanation
England were poor other than Anderson and Bell but they will get better. Australia were excellent but still lost. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the series for Australia! England will definitely improve but I'm not sure Australia can.
For England to only score 215 in their first innings and still win is something the Aussies should really be worried about!
Amazing game though, only these two sides can produce drama like that.... Here's to another 9 just like this one!
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England were poor other than Anderson and Bell but they will get better. Australia were excellent but still lost. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the series for Australia! England will definitely improve but I'm not sure Australia can.
For England to only score 215 in their first innings and still win is something the Aussies should really be worried about!
Amazing game though, only these two sides can produce drama like that.... Here's to another 9 just like this one!
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England should have been 150 or less in there first innings.Both sides played poor shots in both innings, and I've no doubt that both sides will work on that in the next four days.
Agar and Hughes should not have been allowed to make what they did
Broad has been poor, and to let him get 65 was poor
Finn was shocking in the second innings and nearly gave Haddin an easy coast to the win
Both teams need to make changes,
Aussies can bring in khawaja, Warner, wade to improve there batting/stumping
We only have bresnan for Finn, who I don't rate as a test player(great at county level though)
If the above changes at made, I'd say Aussies will level it 1-1.
For Australia I'd like to see Faulkner replace Cowan - not sure who they'd bat at three but think the strength of their tail means that an extra bowler is worthwhile. That said, I suspect Cowan will get a final chance to prove himself.
For England, I'd like to see Finn replaced. Bresnan is the obvious candidate but in fact I can see better reasons for taking Onions, whose wicket to wicket line and late swing will cause havok with the Australia batting, or even Tremlett, because back of a length is often useful on a Lords road.
But isn't replacing Finn with Tremlett essentially a like for like replacement? It's not going to provide a huge amount of benefit on the pitches that we're seeing? Tremlett did well in Aus on fast bouncy pitches, but on these cruddy dry, dead ones, he's going to suffer.
Great shout on chris tremlett! i think his bowling record v aus speaks for itself
tremlett is a very intimidating person, finn is still young and lanky, chris is a unit, if anyone sees a 6ft7 18stone outhouse running in to bowl 90mph at you it will have more of an effect mentally than a skinny person of same heightThat's as maybe, but a physically intimidating bowler bowling short stuff that ends up being a long hop is about as useful as Cowan is at Number three.
But isn't replacing Finn with Tremlett essentially a like for like replacement? It's not going to provide a huge amount of benefit on the pitches that we're seeing? Tremlett did well in Aus on fast bouncy pitches, but on these cruddy dry, dead ones, he's going to suffer.
in Aus, Finn was dropped due to being too easy to score off, and I don't see that that has changed. The main difference at TB was that he didn't really get wickets either.
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Not sure if anybody else has found this gem:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nhtdQHrAPaE#at=73 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nhtdQHrAPaE#at=73)
Clarke wouldn't smash it to slip and not walk, would he?
Showing the highlights of the first day of old Trafford from 2005 on sky sports ashes. Two classic gms on display with Vaughan and trescothick batting. I forgot how good Vaughan looks.
This was the very best innings Micheal Vaughan played. Sydney 2003. before he was captain.
MICHAEL VAUGHAN'S 183 VS AUSTRALIA 5TH TEST AT SCG JANUARY 2003 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bybdrm_SbFI#[/url])
I was there, I have never seen batting like it. You have to remember this was at a time when the Aussies were at their absolute peak.
Oh please!!!
You have neglected the most critical information here....BOTH McGrath AND Warne missed that test due to injury.
So it was hardly Australia's "peak" attack mate.
Unless you have a higher regard for Andy Bichel and Brett Lee than we ever had?
bar humbug Vic, i was drunk and it was hot and Vaughan was magnificent! you are letting facts get in the way
While you are right - I should have picked one of the other 150's he made in that series - Brett Lee bowled magnificently in that test.
Richard Dawson and Steve Harmison did not!!
Missed it by a mile ;)
Question: why isn't hot spot showing up like it used to? Maybe they have found something to use on the edges so it doesn't show up as much? Any ideas
I also did hear once a rumour that players put vaseline on the edge of their bat to try trick hotspot, not sure if there is truth in it or not.
Might regret that one when they get an inside edge onto their pad and given out lbw ;)
I would suggest they would only put it on the outside edge of their bats....inside edges rarely go through to the keeper, mostly into pad, or onto stumps anyway.
Outside edges though...
This has blown up...Mickey says some interesting things about Shane Watson:
[url]http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/mickey-arthur-claims-bitter-faction-led-to-rift-between-michael-clarke-and-shane-watson/story-fni2usfi-1226680358771[/url] ([url]http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/mickey-arthur-claims-bitter-faction-led-to-rift-between-michael-clarke-and-shane-watson/story-fni2usfi-1226680358771[/url])
Have you seen his bird?
No Brains...
I mentioned on here during the India series that Watson was not well liked within the squad.
I was poo pooed and told it was actually Clarke who was not liked.
Make no mistake, Watson is not on practically anyone's Christmas card list.
As soon as he moved to NSW to play Shield cricket, Khawaja and Hughes both pissed off elsewhere, quick.
He might have one or two mates, but no more than that.
Clarke believes in reintroducing discipline and sheer hard work to catch up to the best...Watson, does not.
Haddin was specifically brought back to avoid Watto being VC during the Ashes.
And you can imagine how Warner feels about Watto - can't you?
No Brains...
Doesn't the umpire normally hold onto the ball during a fall of wicket and/or drinks break?
Looks like he us spraying that sticky spray on his hands... Not sure if that's legal or not
Wade won't improve on stumping nor catching - not sure if you saw him keep in India? Haddin had a couple of very tough chances but hardly regulation. Haddin keeps his place not only on wicketkeeping form but also on batting. There is no question whatsoever.
Agree that Khawaja will come in for Cowan. Warner is off to SA to play for Aust A barring any injury concerns. Don't see that changing.
Depending on the Lord's pitch, I'd like to see Bird come in to add some consistency and variety to the attack. But I reckon Starc will get another run as he did get wickets despite being fairly inconsistent.
Cheeeeeaaaaaatttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)HAHA yeah I think so!!
We were robbed hehe
Cheeeeeaaaaaatttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
We were robbed hehe
Bit harsh on Cowan, IMO. He was one of our most resolute and determined, and better, performers in India. One exceptionally poor test and he's discarded. Don't get the Starc decision, either. Harris to break down inside three days.
I really think they need to get Bird in the side
I'd have dropped Starc purely to give Swann less rough to the lefties tbh.
Lets face it though Swann wasn't overly impressive at Trent Bridge even with the sticky spray on his hands ;)
His record at TB has always been poor though (7 at 51), whereas at lords he's been much better (31 at 27)
rumour has it Tremlett is in :o for Finn
rumour has it Tremlett is in :o for Finn
Why is the game starting at 11:15???
FYI the game will start at 11.15 today due to the visit of HM the Queen.
Marvellous.
I don't think the Aussies handle Tremlett very well at all... Like a white Joel Garner
I would be amazed if Tremlett plays. Seems unfair on Bresnan and Onions.
What the hell is happening here?
The pitch looks fine...unbelievable!
Definitely hit the pad first!
Has Ryan Harris given up being a fast bowler?
Until about the age of 29, Harris was an allrounder who bowled gentle medium pacers.
Then one day, he ran in and bowled fast...VERY fast. He was hitting 93-94mph.
Here he seems to have slowed right down...but still faster than he used to be for most of his career.
Do you think Clarke chucked the ball to Watson to open to hopefully injure himself so that he could not longer participate in the series? Or am I just being Machiavellian?
Do you think Clarke chucked the ball to Watson to open to hopefully injure himself so that he could not longer participate in the series? Or am I just being Machiavellian?
Do you think Clarke chucked the ball to Watson to open to hopefully injure himself so that he could not longer participate in the series? Or am I just being Machiavellian?
Well for me is root under pressure yet surely he must be in the same way Compton was
Well for me is root under pressure yet surely he must be in the same way Compton was
Australia NEVER learn.
The first test was decided by third man....England had one, Australia mostly did not.
Bell scored 36% of his runs down to third man.
Already in this innings, boundaries are flowing down there.
Wake up Pup and get a third man in place to stem the flow of runs in that area.
Bairstow to score a ton.
Bairstow to score 30 and get bowled playing across the lineI'm trying to be optimistic.
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Bairstow to score 30 and get bowled playing across the line
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What a good job we didn't drop Bell like everyone seemed to think was a good idea...!well said, that's two tons that have got us out of trouble, and who said he never scores when it matters?
Bell out to Smith.............pretty awful from Bell. Great knock but to get out to Steve Smith is akin to me getting him out. Poor, very poor.Hardly awful from Bell, very good delivery ???
Hardly awful from Bell, very good delivery ???
You mean getting himself out to a guy who no one is sure whether he's being picked as a batsman or a bowler 2 overs before the second new ball is ok? I reckon it's pretty poor. Every bit as poor as what bairstow has just done!You're clueless, Bairstow's dismissal was abysmal, yes, but the ball to Bell was a quality delivery, hardly got himself out.
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Thanks for that I'll remember to ask you next time I need to express my opinion in future shall I pm you first?That's probably a good idea, don't want you embarrassing yourself again.
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On a lighter note living in Derby does anyone fancy turning out for our first team as need a few batsman it seems Yorkshire made 617-5 Derby at the moment 94-5. On what is apparently a batsmans paradise.
Harris, world class, shame about his body
So what if he doesn't have the body of a god. Look at Flintoff. Another guy with an unconventional body shape but could play the game insanely well
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Harris' quality shows just how badly over rated Pattinson is!
"I would turn for him". Wow that escalated quickly! I must have misread that situation, sorry it's something that I've had to deal with through my sporting career, not the breaking down. But unconventional body type
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Then he has the temerity to waste yet another review - as he loves to do.
Fool.
Bairstow plays across his stumps and gets out a lot.
But he is still young and will surely learn.
Watson is 31 years old and he still DOES NOT LEARN.
What a moron.
Get's out the same way time after time after time.
Then he has the temerity to waste yet another review - as he loves to do.
Fool.
Bairstow plays across his stumps and gets out a lot.
But he is still young and will surely learn.
Watson is 31 years old and he still DOES NOT LEARN.
What a moron.
Get's out the same way time after time after time.
Then he has the temerity to waste yet another review - as he loves to do.
Fool.
KP was actually laughing at him when he did it!
KP was probably laughing because he knew it was plumb or because he always reviews?
But it should have been up to Rogers to confirm that it looked totally out!! Unless of course Rogers told him it looked out, but Watson decided that he would review anyway on the offchance!
I keep saying that he would make a superb No.6 bat. But not good enough to open IMO!! Mind you, I am starting to have serious doubts whether Root will cut it as an opener at this level!
I'd love to see the review of dismissals percentages of Watson and Broad.
Root has only had 2 goes and two of them were fairly unlucky dismissals. I think he deserves at least the full series before anyone judges him.
No clarke at 4. Wonder why the demotion.
Maybe because he averages 65 at #5 and about 23 at #4.
Pretty straight forward, I reckon.
Definitely not convinced by that hotspot!
I haven't seen it as I'm following BBC live text.
Was there enough evidence to overrule the original decision?
Yes but hotspot know and as snicko is not being used it should have been overturned unless the umpire just knew
Are you smashing the refresh button as much as me!!! I hate being stuck at work :(
Does smith have to spit ever ballThe ball spat at him that time.
Anybody want a job
Top 5 needed for Australia bloody hell this is poor
Will be lucky to last three days...on a blameless pitch.
Nice to see some humility mate! What's the plan in your opinion?
38.6
Anderson to Haddin, OUT, oh dear! Agar has been run out! What a terrible mix-up! At first glance it appears Haddin has let his partner down here. It was shortish on the hips and lobbed up, perhaps off the body, behind square leg. Prior ran around to collect and Agar was running through for a single. It was Agar's call as it was behind the batsman, but Haddin didn't respond. He barely even left his crease. Agar made it three quarters of the way down the pitch and almost all the way back, but the throw was collected by Anderson who whipped the bails off.
Chances of being 1-1 at the end of this Test? It's possible, but not probable!
Could be worth a £5 bet though, as the odds would be rather attractive at this stage!
Great article about Watson here...
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/653135.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/653135.html[/url])
Current odds on an Australia win are 20/1, so if you put a £5 bet on, you'd lose £5 ;)Good banter, you could imagine them clinging on for a draw though. In fact, given my years watching England...
Good banter, you could imagine them clinging on for a draw though. In fact, given my years watching England...
I diet think England bowled well at all Australia look like a poor county side no better currently.
wow what is up with KP, what a shocking shot coming up to the end of the day...
I go to bed to get some beauty sleep and the Aussies crumble.... Terrible
not played much cricket and wanted to feel bat on ball.We all know the feeling ourselves, when not in form you chase balls you would usually leave well alone. Just disappointing from an international number 4 and one as experienced as KP is. Then again this is KP and he will always be that kind of player!
not great, but understandable.
not what you would expect from a leading international though
Chances of being 1-1 at the end of this Test? It's possible, but not probable!
Could be worth a £5 bet though, as the odds would be rather attractive at this stage!
A fool is easily parted from his money.
Australia have no hope of surving, even on this docile 450 par score wicket.
I have never been so embarrassed by an Australian test team in my life.
Pea hearts.
Pea hearts alright!!! Reduce their pays and have performance incentives instead.Stick with it mate. Remember we've had a lot longer of this than you lot. Your team needs you lol.
Would rather watch footy tonight then Australia embarrass themselves
That is a joke! It definitely carried, fingers were under the ball! >:(
umm, no it didn't. Next
The problem with those catches is that the tv replays generally don't help. We always used ro use the direction the fingers pointed as the fielder came up from the catch. Generally if it's a bump you won't have managed to get your fingers under the ball.Yep and he had his fingers under for sure. Even the English commentators were a little puzzled as to how they concluded it was not out. Regardless I don't think it changed much. England were well on top.
Are you wearing your Egg & Bacon beany?
Ponting for a recall anyone :)
No but I think Bell should be dropped ;)
I know it wasn't Tim - my point is that the on-field umpire should have made a decision and then should have checked.
So the umpire should have said, "the fielder says he has caught it. My decision is out. Can you find any any reason why you should definitely overturn my decision?" To the third umpire!
umm, no it didn't. Next
just had a chat to Joe root. he has a fractured thumb
Vic
Who are the up and coming Australia batsman
Maddinson
Doolan
Boy do you need them
Jordan Silk
Kyle Patterson
Will Bosisto
All young kids with Patterson and Bosisto not really getting a game...but they are technically better than what we have now.
Will get worse before it gets better.
Did you try and nick his bat Phillip
I bet there a great atmosphere there
Matthew Short
Damien Mortimer
Jake Doran
What's the odds on Australia being rolled for under 100 be pretty short I would imagine. Missed stumping there Clarke should be gone
Sometimes, you just have to show some fight, even though you know you are no chance of winning/saving the game.nice one, nothing more fun that grinding fielders and bowlers into the ground when they know they can't get you, you aren't trying to chase runs and it's just about making them field the full quote.. winner.. annoys the hell out of them too
Just last season, I found myself in an even worse situation.
What did the #6 and I do? We just defended like we would in the nets. If there was a blatantly bad ball, we put it away for four. But, otherwise, we didn't bother running anything but the easiest of one's and two's.
We got beaten, but, after the early collapse, the opposition spent the rest of the game in the fruitless pursuit of trying to dislodge us.
They never managed it.
I remember all that went through my head was "20 overs until the end", "15 overs until the end" and so forth until the umpire said "last over" and I played it out.
If it jazz hat fair play if not i don't agree in limited overs cricket I always play to win and see no point in wasting my time blocking out to keep them out there
Play to win is my motto
First earn he right to win then see where it gets you
I agree....but when you are 5 for next to nothing and faced with the prospect of folding before the first drinks break....OR, you bat out the remaining 35 overs in 30 plus degree heat...you still lose, but you have somewhat killed off the joy of the win in the opposition.
I remember when the umpires pulled up stumps, it was a surreal feeling, we had clearly lost, but the opposition walked off the ground with slumped shoulders almost forgetting that they had won.
Of course you want to win, but some games are beyond winning without something extra special.. To be honest most players/teams can't do that 9 times out of 10 so as Vic says, you might as well get you own monies worth and bat the overs. As he says, yes the oppo's win the game but it sort of ruins it for them. Plus, you've got your own monies worth then too. Plus, it's amateur cricket so you can win as much as you want but what are you actually winning?? No one remembers you, no one really even cares that you won div 1/2/3/4/5/6... So yes play to win but play to enjoy the game unless you are a real pro where it does mean more.
I guess that's what's great about the game we all are after different things from it .
I dont care what people say that this ausiee team is divided and not playing as a unit, this Eng lineup is just unbeatable on these pitches !
Oh Clarke
Not sure about anybody else 99 per cent of the time I know bit like lbw you know when it close you just get the feeling was strange.
Should people be banned for it though Ramdin was should if you found retrospectively cheating be banned.
Please I not saying for a minute it should happen I agree on not walking but with all this advancement this ashes although dull due to the non existence of any Australian grit and skill with the bat every things seems to be challenged
I have to ask this people keep saying he has improved but do you seriously think Steve Smith is test match quality or ever will be he looks very flawed
2-0 series over! England have retained, now to plan for retaining them again down under
3 to go hold your horses
I am still pro-DRS.
It is better than the old fashioned alternative.
But gee wiz, it hasn't had a good show in the last two tests.
Practically every marginal decision has fatefully gone against Australia. If this was happening to India, the BCCI would have cancelled the series by now and claimed racial discrimination was behind it with Shastri and Gavaskar claiming this has always happened to them whenever they play against England.
Simply amazing on so many levels.
Practically every marginal decision has fatefully gone against Australia.
That is the most awesome hat ever!
I want to go up to Lords again this summer (poss to watch Middx) - one of these may find it's way into my bag (I may even pay for it!)
Agar stumping at Trent Bridge?
Trott's LBW at Trent Bridge?
And I still haven't seen the footage, but have heard that Root's decision in the 1st innings at Lord's was contentious too.
The Root one was probably more unlucky rather than contentious, I thought he was out, but very close call as to what hit what first. They've got some things wrong on both sides of the fence, but England seem to be doing slightly better out of it so far. Mind you, some Australian batsmen have made some bizarre decisions about what to refer and what not to refer - architects of their own downfall.
Bruce - your wish is my command - See you on Thursday Evening in the St John's Wood area, I have a ticket for you. Wear a jacket and tie so I can show you the beanie in person ;)
He was injured for a while and is on the comeback.
Warning, very bad Ashes related Royal Baby jokes follow....
Apparently the royal baby is being called Stuart, at least until he learns to walk....
And Shane Watson had heard about the baby, but wanted a review to check it was out...
Sounds to me like it was a pretty quick birth.
regardless - this is interesting from Michael Vaughan
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10196326/Ashes-2013-Australia-may-have-to-discard-players-haunted-by-England-failures.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10196326/Ashes-2013-Australia-may-have-to-discard-players-haunted-by-England-failures.html[/url])
typically i would say that Vaughan and Warne spout equal amounts of B.S. but in this case I think Vaughan has a point.
Watson's technique could be sorted out in two bowling machine sessions. It is staggering that he hasn't sorted it out in 5 or 6 years.
Watson's technique could be sorted out in two bowling machine sessions. It is staggering that he hasn't sorted it out in 5 or 6 years.
Buzz, always like hearing your training tips etc, what would you do in that session? I'm not his coach btw.
Agar stumping at Trent Bridge?
Trott's LBW at Trent Bridge?
And I still haven't seen the footage, but have heard that Root's decision in the 1st innings at Lord's was contentious too.
All three of those were out.
Only Agar was fortunate.
Still fancy the Aussies to win one.
It's precisely what we were discussing at our game on Saturday. If we kept the Aussiesin the field long enough, at least one bowler would give up the ghost. Having said that, a stress fracture is a nasty way to go out.
Change his weight distribution in his stance
Work on his head movement towards the ball to help his front leg position
Work on shortening his front foot stride.
Considering how he has been bowling so much slower than normal from the start of the series, I would say it was something that started up in India.Agreed. He should be consistently between high 80 to low 90mph.
He hasn't looked remotely himself this series.
Agar was fortunate - but his batting has covered up the bowling - which has worked to Eng's advantage.Agar is naturally a better bowler as his flight is better and has more variation. His bowling in the second test was not as good as the first test. If he bowled more deliveries in the low 50mph mark and he'll be even better. He has a very good top spinner and got rid of Cook with one in the 1st test.
I take it Clarke and Lyon aren't particularly close...
Agar is naturally a better bowler as his flight is better and has more variation. His bowling in the second test was not as good as the first test. If he bowled more deliveries in the low 50mph mark and he'll be even better. He has a very good top spinner and got rid of Cook with one in the 1st test.Agar's problem isn't that he is a bad bowler, simply that he is inexperienced and hasn't yet had the time to get his rhythm fully sorted so that whenever he bowls he avoids the four balls each over. He also hasn't played a huge amount of cricket at a very high level. Bearing in mind that he's only 19, I reckon he's a future Aussie all rounder to watch. I just hope that by introducing him in this series, they haven't done it too early.
Agar's problem isn't that he is a bad bowler, simply that he is inexperienced and hasn't yet had the time to get his rhythm fully sorted so that whenever he bowls he avoids the four balls each over. He also hasn't played a huge amount of cricket at a very high level. Bearing in mind that he's only 19, I reckon he's a future Aussie all rounder to watch. I just hope that by introducing him in this series, they haven't done it too early.A young Steve Waugh was thrown into the deep end at age 20 with fairly limited 1st class experience. He didn't score a test century until some 3.5 years later. If we are drawings parallels to the last time we lost 6 tests in a row (and Kim Hughes resigned as captain), then we may be heading towards a similar rebuilding phase. If that's the case we need some young, raw talent who we will stick with for a few years, and accept that we will lose a lot of games over the coming months (possibly years)...
If (and it's a very big if) you don't win any tests this series, will Clark go?The problem is, there aren't many others in the team that can be guaranteed a place in the team let alone captain the side. So I would say that Clarke stays as captain during the rebuilding phase, just like Border was.
Surely Clarke is there for the long term!!
I know he seems to struggle a little against England's bowlers, but there's no denying he's a top quality player!!
As I thought a while ago, ponting will be missed here. But Hussey is a huge hole to fill and is the middle filling that the Aussies needed to hold it together. But there is too much pressure for Clarke to handle by himself.
I still have a feeling that a couple of the Aussie batsmen will perform soon!
Warner may open and Watson drop down the order?
Warner would be opening in the A game if they wanted him to open in the Ashes wouldn't he?
Change his weight distribution in his stance
Work on his head movement towards the ball to help his front leg position
Work on shortening his front foot stride.
Out for 193, at close to a run a ball, in the last over of the day. As an Aussie supporter, that's not the sort of knock I want to see. Unfortunately it looks likely he'll play the 3rd test...I'm afraid you've lost me there chief, are you saying you don't want him to do well so he doesn't get picked?
I imagine he wanted to see him grind a score outYep. And getting out in the last over of the day is not great either...
Wahey! Have you seen the pic on the front of Cricinfo? Lehman having a net - possible call up :).
I'm sure it's the angle of the photo, but he looks like he getting about as much into line as I do!
(Mind you, he looks about as round as I do!)
the same thing happens in junior cricket here in the UK.
Am I right in thinking the bowling restrictions are only for 'fast' bowlers??This is correct.
To my understanding 'fast' bowlers at junior level are defined by "if a keeper of the same age stands back to their bowling under normal circumstances"
So if I have this right the dibly dobly medium pacers and spinners don't have any restrictions on their bowling.
Scott Styris is currently having a rant about Aussies hiding behind T20 as an excuse for Ashes failures when Rogers, Khawaja, Hughes, Cowan, Agar, Pattinson, Siddle and Bird barely play
To everyone who has an opinion as to why Australian cricket is struggling, this is the answer (read the article from the link below)
[url]http://www.backpagelead.com.au/index.php/cricket/10222-early-retirement-the-root-cause-of-century-crisis[/url] ([url]http://www.backpagelead.com.au/index.php/cricket/10222-early-retirement-the-root-cause-of-century-crisis[/url])
I coach junior cricket and have been frustrated for years with the rotation policies and limitations placed on batsmen and bowlers, so everyone gets a go "so to speak" and no ones feelings are hurt..........
This breeds mediocrity and the kids don't know how to take their game to the next level because they are satisfied and rewarded with sub par performances.
This crazy system where kids are restricted on how many balls they can face before retiring and how many overs they can bowl so everyone in the team gets a bowl, was bought into play by Cricket Australia many years a go to encourage all kids to give cricket a go and provide an equal opportunity for all to participate (in their attempt to make cricket the number 1 sport in Australia). It may sound warm and fuzzy, but it has resulted in the talented cricketers leaving the sport (to AFL) due to a lack of opportunity and frustration at not being able to succeed and has rewarded the mums and dads who want a child minding service for their kids who actually don't want to play cricket.
Kids are not encouraged to excel and bat for long periods of time, whilst bowlers can only bowl minimal overs right up until the age of 17 - this probably explains why the promising fast bowlers we currently have keep breaking down.... their bodies haven't been able to grow strong through good hard junior cricket.
What happened to the good old days, where juniors played no limitation cricket (as per seniors) and every player had to earn his role in the team whether it be an opening batsmen or bowler..... you earnt the respect of your coach and peers alike (cricket was competitive in juniors once upon a time).
This is the crux of the problem and the seeds Cricket Australia planted years ago in junior cricket are starting to bear bad fruit........ as the article mentions, juniors are not conditioned or encouraged to make centuries, so how can they learn the art of batting for a long time when junior cricket discourages it.
i rest my case.......
One thing I have noticed is the lack of youth teams at club level. We have had cancellations through lack of players from some premier league clubs this year which is embarrassing to be honest. These club mark clubs seem to get what they want from the funding and then neglect the youth systems that opened up the doors in the first place.
Vic, it looks like we are from the same era.
I remember I had to earn my stripes if I wanted to be a bowler or bat in the top order...... It was never gifted to me...
You sound surprised. This is exactly what I'd expect to happen. There are less people interested in doing anything other than turning up on game day and playing, then going home (most like to be the 'star' as well, makes them feel better). As for funding, it's easy money!!
lots of clubs have youth teams but few are actually teaching these kids values and skills.. most are just milking them for the cash and it's just a glorified youth club/childminding
Ive noticed is the lack of youth teams at club level. We have had cancellations through lack of players from some premier league clubs this year which is embarrassing to be honest. These club mark clubs seem to get what they want from the funding and then neglect the youth systems that opened up the doors in the first place.
Grade 3 is a large age range :o
Clubmark was designed to cut funding to thousands of cricket clubs and concentrate it in the "elite" few. The ECB took this view about a decade ago and effectively signed the death warrant of village cricket. Only seriously well organised and large clubs in general get clubmark, and in turn become bigger and better funded. They become focus clubs in their area and mop up the young talent from other clubs ie. want to play county colts, go to x club. The non-clubmark clubs get weaker and weaker. Survival of the fittest yes, but it moves cricket away from being a recreational game enjoyed by all to specialised sport played by the minority.
What irks me more than the gradual seep of players toward these so called big clubs is the arbitrary nature of clubmark. My club is not small - we run four Saturday sides, a Sunday XI, midweek and four age groups of colts - but is not as big as, or playing in as high a league as, some other local sides. So when we come to apply for Clubmark, we get precisely no help or encouragement from the ECB/County Association, who arrange a single meeting to tell us what hoops they want us to jump through - and many of them are just that, hoops that brings no benefit to club or members, but merely allow the ECB to keep smaller clubs with fewer volunteers down. Meanwhile, other local sides get fancy facilities and - this one really bugs me - top notch overseas professionals funded by the same august body!
I really hope the last bit isn't true!! A top overseas who's miles too good for that club serves no benefit to the system other than artificially raise a club above it's natural station. I'd personally rather see the ECB invest in more clubs and just gradually improve the general standard and look to have MORE people playing in general, regardless of ability. giving every club a decent roller, grass cutter, boundary rope, electronic scoreboard, roll on covers etc is going to raise the standard for more people than just helping the odd 'big' club who genearlly just have ego's playing for them anyway 'I play in x league so I must be better than you'.. Maybe fella.. but also maybe not as your side is probably carried there by a overseas.
If KP is fit tomorrow, am I the only one who would like to see JT minor in at no6.
JB is doing OK, but I feel that JT minor would make a stronger no6, especially due to his form, which he proved yet again by his 121*!!
Or will the selectors be too afraid to change too much?
Personally think KP should sit this one out. If he takes another knock, he'll be out of the next test for sure and possibly the rest of the series. That would be bad news. Rest him up at OT and bring him in for Chester-Le-Street.
If KP is fit tomorrow, am I the only one who would like to see JT minor in at no6.
JB is doing OK, but I feel that JT minor would make a stronger no6, especially due to his form, which he proved yet again by his 121*!!
Or will the selectors be too afraid to change too much?
Massive outside shout, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone getting in the English faces, bit of banter, bit of a roughening up. A la Mitchell Johnson....#
To be fair, you can't drop JB because he hasn't set the world alight - it feels like JT is suddenly flavour of the month on here.
JB hasn't done much wrong, and should be given at least 2 more tests to prove himself. Lets not go back to England of the 80's and 90's and chop and change. Lets give the lad a good run in the side, and a chance to evolve within team England.
Cric buzz saying Cowen in for Smith? What's the official team?
That is a poor moment for cricket, its costing games and series and it is just ruining the game.
England have had a golden run with the umpires already this series.Trott's LBW?
A continuation of 2005 and 2009 where every contentious decision went England's way.
Simply amazing.
Trott's LBW?
Don't even get me started on 2009 and 2005.
I detect some real whinging Vic....are you sure you don't have Pom blood in you fella? ;)
I can't believe there weren't some terrible decisions against the Ausies in the 2006/7 ashes series too.
But that series didn't happen...
I dont think Vic is whinging at all, completely warranted, never before have I ever seen such decisions which have impacted so clearly on a series which deserved to be 1-1 at the least, Any Australian supporter has a reason to feel aggrieved compared to the outstanding luck England have received in turn with some of them
Thanks for that.
The reality is, Australia had basically no chance to win the series because they simply are not good enough.
That much is clear.
They are however capable of creating an upset and winning a test somewhere along the way.
However, the cricketing Gods are conspiring in such a way as to make it impossible.
The problem is you're arguing on one questionable decision, compared to many poor decisions, I'm not taking anything away from the english side? They are comparably a better team than Australia, but to acknowledge that in someway there is retribution in the Agar decision compared to the many poor decisions is ignorant, you're arguing on a ration of 7:2 at best,That point about agar however, stands. That's been the decision that's had perhaps the biggest impact in terms or runs scored after the non dismissal.
The problem is you're arguing on one questionable decision, compared to many poor decisions, I'm not taking anything away from the english side? They are comparably a better team than Australia, but to acknowledge that in someway there is retribution in the Agar decision compared to the many poor decisions is ignorant, you're arguing on a ration of 7:2 at best,
Our 'Unlucky' period lasted for 20 years. A couple of series is nothing...
*throws bait
I wonder if the technology has been correctly calibrated today? That Smith one is interesting. Defo the right call to stick with on-field umpire's decision as there was no evidence to say otherwise. However where did that noise come from after it passed the bat?
I think the poms have clickers in their pockets ;)
I like Vic's posts - they add real perspective and an alternative to all the crowing.
Smith was lucky there.
That was out.
Yep, hit the cover off it. But after Khawaja's decision its hard to have too much sympathy for England!
Was talking the LBW shout...
Only time I can kind of stand England on the back foot is with Clarke batting, favourite batsman and love watching him bat. Something about Smith's unorthodox technique that I quite like as well. Wouldn't mind them both being dismissed before the end of today's play though! ;) Only three wickets down and no reviews left...
am I the only one who thinks steve smith is underrated ? a very good attacking batsman , one of the best fielders there is and very useful with his leg spin
I was a big hater of Smith before the Ashes. I think he has proved that he is a fighter and although his technique is unorthodox I have enjoyed watching him play. Cemented the middle order spot for a few years to come.
hope so , really enjoy watching him play and I hope they bring pat Cummings and mitch Johnston in for the tests in AUS , give England something to think aboutGive Cummins some time, he's only played 7 first class matches. Let him get some overs under belt without getting injured
Gotta say Phillip Hughes is desperately unlucky to miss out in this match.
He's been batting out of position, played well in Nottingham at 6. Shunted up to 4 at Lords and struggled. He should be opening. Watson should be axed.
What would your Australia XI be?
The question for me is willll Australia stick with Rogers beyond this series or will they just say thanks very much and then turn back to a younger option?
The question for me is will Australia stick with Rogers beyond this series or will they just say thanks very much and then turn back to a younger option?I think he needs to stay on. We still need experience, especially in at the top of the order, to see them through for another couple of years.
I think the Aussies made a big mistake by leaving Bird out of the side
Clarke to get 200+ by then end of todays play.
Not necessarily. Credit where it's due the Aussies batted really well yesterday. Technology again the talking point but this is more the contest we need anyway!
The question for me is will Australia stick with Rogers beyond this series or will they just say thanks very much and then turn back to a younger option?Rogers is playing nice at present.
I think the Aussies made a big mistake by leaving Bird out of the sideThe only way Australia could've got Bird in was if Siddle was axed.
Is Jackson Bird as good as people are making him out to be?
the tail is wagging!
With rain around for the next 3 days Clarke should get them in tonight.I think that will happen regardless of weather. That's how the Aussies tend to operate.
Is that a Powerspot Strauss is using in The Ashes Zonetis indeed
I presumed one of their DRS plans was probably that nightwatchmen weren't to waste a review if there was any doubt involved.
Watching the Fox sports team of Brendan Julian, Stuart Clarke and Graham Hick. BJ was talking about KPs inside edge LBW decision. "I can live with that" he says. You should have heard them the other day with Khawaja's DRS call, Whining all day. Aussie muppets.
Two points I would make a out DRS are as follows:
1. They need to be absolutely clear about whether their job is to overrule the umpire if they are 75% sure, or whether their job is to confirm that there is not the 100% evidence required to overrule, or something else....plus what tools they can use in the review!
2. Umpires undergo lots of training so there using DRS needs to be a specialist role and treated as such!
I think the DRS umpire should be in a room away from the influences caused by watching the game and only see the DRS referral on a screen when required
Think they are looking at it from a few angles......
Anderson loves getting Watson LBW so bat him down where Anderson may not be bowling
Warner is T20 player so bat him up where he can do damage
Bat as many of the lefties as possible before Swan is let loose on them!
I actually think that shows how logically Clarke thinks - not a bad option to be honest, and good thinking!
Watching the Fox sports team of Brendan Julian, Stuart Clarke and Graham Hick. BJ was talking about KPs inside edge LBW decision. "I can live with that" he says. You should have heard them the other day with Khawaja's DRS call, Whining all day. Aussie muppets.
Do you think it will rain today ?There will be NO play today.
Do you think it will rain today ?
What money on tremlett getting a game and kp going for surgery?Tremlett may get a game, but KP will play - if he has surgery he will miss the whole of the ashes tour this winter (plus he is on 97 tests and will want that 100th cap at the start of the next series...)
Robson or Taylor to take his place?
Starting at 11.30. Anyone think England could sneak a win..? 4 an over requires 80 odd overs. Easily do-able with our batting line-up? (I'm aware that it may rain all day...)Won't even consider it.
YES YES AUSTRALIA YOU BEAUTY :) YES YES YES YES :) 0-1 YES YES :) IM SO CHUFFED !!!!! Poor review though.
would love to see Australia win this and the next test match for a tough decider at the oval
No... No we don't
Why aren't England keeping the score ticking over? 4 an over isnt exactly a run rate that requires risks to be taken. If they score at that the final session could be exciting (assuming we get the full number of overs in)
Trott gone, Could Australia be about to get a victory?
HOW IS THAT OUT?!
More DRS controversy!!!! KP looks impressed....
I don't think they should go on noise as its not always conclusive and can be many things which make the noise
So how do you give people out in club cricket? How did they give people out for faint edges prior to DRS/hot Spot???
I wouldnt say clearly not out - perhaps we are relying on the technology way too much. Prior to DRS/Hotspot days, you would watch that, hear the noise, and say its out every day of the week.
You can't say that as many were given out by umpires going off sound before DRS became legal. If you play cricket and field close in you would have heard many a sound that you thought was a nick when infact it was a pad, a shoe scrapping the ground, etc. Its time for snicko. You will still get mistakes but if bat no where near anything and snicko jumps when ball goes past bat then probably out.
I understand it in club cricket been given out on noise but now that they have the technology for international cricket I don't think they should go down the route of just noise been enough evidence to give someone out
Thats what Im getting at though - if there was a noise, no deflection, and bat and pad or whatever are very close together, possibly not out. When the bat is hung out, off the ground, away from the body, and there is a noise precisely as it goes past the edge - surely thats out.
This is rubbish.
the Umpire gave the batsman out to a fine nick. The only reason that was referred is because hotspot is not really working.
Ian Bell should have been out for 0 in the first innings here - KP was out here as was Agar in the last game etc.
All the commentators thought it was out too.
Thats what Im getting at though - if there was a noise, no deflection, and bat and pad or whatever are very close together, possibly not out. When the bat is hung out, off the ground, away from the body, and there is a noise precisely as it goes past the edge - surely thats out.
Rumours on twitter of special scuff sheets on bats preventing hot spot working properly. Thoughts?
could teams not warm the bat up before batting to get rid of hotspot?
Wouldn't the bat cool down pretty quickly though? I know wood is an insulator, but if you put a hot drink on a wooden table, the table doesn't stay hot for much longer than a few minutes after taking the mug off!
Shame about the rain but it was a fine Test match.
Michael Clarke showed he's still got it, hopefully his back holds up.
Ryan Harris showed how great he is. Sadly over the years his body has been too fragile. Top quality bowler.
Peter Siddle continues to improve and impress.
The return to form of KP.
For the next Test I think Australia should ditch Lyon for Jackson Bird. Watson should go, probably for Hughes.
England should get Taylor and Onions in, for Bairstow and Bresnan
would you not bring in tremlett and finn ready for Australia ? agree with taylorNo not for Durham.
No not for Durham.
Onions is in red hot form and Durham is his home ground.
I'd bring Tremlett in for the Oval Test. Finn's outta favour at present.
I understand onions for durham but we've already won the series and ashes so should we not concentrate on next series in OZThe Ashes might be secure but the series is still to play for. Australia can still draw, so best side for Durham and Oval.
I'm a Surrey fan so I want Tremlett for the final Test!
good point , but id get finn in for the oval ready for OZ
I'm a Surrey fan so I want Tremlett for the final Test!
The rumour was posted by Dominic Thronley, who is a reliable source.
Rumours on twitter of special scuff sheets on bats preventing hot spot working properly. Thoughts?
Can't be done given that hotspot works by detecting emissivity. It can't be cheated. Generally the only things the cameras can't see directly through are water and glass so unless you're batting underwater or behind some double glazed doors then you can't hide. Or cheat. Especially at 88 mph.
Can't be done given that hotspot works by detecting emissivity. It can't be cheated. Generally the only things the cameras can't see directly through are water and glass so unless you're batting underwater or behind some double glazed doors then you can't hide. Or cheat. Especially at 88 mph.
I'd love to see what happens when glass gets hit at 88mph! Haha
I must say that Cook does look a little stiff this morning. Too much care? Or is he just trying to take his time and spend time at the crease?
... I'm so sorry ever other England fan out there. I will stay quiet in future *hangs head in shame* :(
The pitch has looked totally docile today.
No pace and very little bounce.
I wonder if the deck has died a bit. 93 mins between boundaries is a bit unusual and the new ball seems to have upped the run rate a little. Also notice one from Harris stay very low and Bird has got one to kick a little. Perhaps the deck is a bit too dry. Lyon get 4 wickets and going for 2 an over is certainly a collectors item. 214-9 isn't a position of power though!
The best fast bowler of his era, James Anderson, weaved his 'magic' on Siddle and Lyon....
Really? JA is up there and a top quality bowler!Wasim Akram's claims Pete...
But the best if his era? You're either deluded or trying to be a funny guy.
Are you a funny guy? I reckon you may be a really funny guy!
Steyn is twice as good as anyone else.
This.I'd probably say Harris and Philander are joint second.
The best fast bowlers in the last few years are (IMHO):
1/ Steyn
DAYLIGHT
2/ Harris
3/ Anderson/Philander
4/ Siddle
5/ Morkel
I'd probably say Harris and Philander are joint second.
I'd probably say Harris and Philander are joint second.
One man you missed off your list only Steyn is better.
Shane Bond
oh and another Simon Jones bar injury would have been a world great he was a better bowler than Ryan Harris and Jimmy
One man you missed off your list only Steyn is better.Shane Bond was a phenomenal bowler. Such a shame to world cricket that this body was so brittle.
Shane Bond
oh and another Simon Jones bar injury would have been a world great he was a better bowler than Ryan Harris and Jimmy
Watson injured! Is that the last we'll see of him in this Test?Might be the last time he's seen in Test cricket...
One man you missed off your list only Steyn is better.
Shane Bond
oh and another Simon Jones bar injury would have been a world great he was a better bowler than Ryan Harris and Jimmy
With Bairstow still not performing what should the approach be?
If Prior and Broad/Swann were on better form with the bat, I would say play Prior at 6 and get an Onions/Finn/Trem in as a 5th bowler - but with Prior only showing the occasional glimpse of form, that won't happen!
Ashes already retained. So does Bairstow get yet another go, or should it be an opportunity to try a James Taylor?
With Bairstow still not performing what should the approach be?
If Prior and Broad/Swann were on better form with the bat, I would say play Prior at 6 and get an Onions/Finn/Trem in as a 5th bowler - but with Prior only showing the occasional glimpse of form, that won't happen!
Ashes already retained. So does Bairstow get yet another go, or should it be an opportunity to try a James Taylor?
why is bairstow getting grief?
he has done a great job for the team here in the context of this match.
both the mentioned are proven
I would be calling for Root head as well if his Lords hundred was not scored (dropped on 12) but there you go...
I'm not convinced by Root as a opener at this level
Bairstow is also a good player who needs time, but he seems to never get past 30-40. He maybe needs a few months back in the championship set up.
Taylor had a chance, went back to the county championship and still scored runs. Perhaps it is his turn to have a run of games.
Well bowled Ryan Harris...
Trawler alertSomething wrong with you?
Oh this is poor
Those last two decisions don't feel right for me as a cricket fan.IIRC Steven Bucknor was forced to retire after a woeful match back in Sydney 2008
As an Englishman I'm delighted but i'd rather they were snorters than contentious LBW's.
This series will be remembered as Farcial thanks to DRS and Tony Hill.
Some of the umpiring is beyond farcical in this match.
Bresnan kicked a Jackson Bird ball which was hitting 46% of the stumps and wasn't given out.
Watson and Haddin are given out when under 5% of the ball is hitting leg stump.
We still might have the infamous 10th wicket stand yet
Matt prior, what is wrong with him at the moment?
Those last two decisions don't feel right for me as a cricket fan.
Some of the umpiring is beyond farcical in this mmatch.Must have done a fair bit to be hitting 46% of the stumps!!
Bresnan kicked a Jackson Bird ball which was hitting 46% of the stumps and wasn't given out.
Watson and Haddin are given out when under 5% of the ball is hitting leg stump.
To be honest I have no issues with Haddin's - live it looked stone dead and that is why DRS has a margin for error. Watson's looked like a stinker - I wonder if, say, Hashim Amla would have been given out in identical circumstances?Hash wouldn't have missed the ball in the first place :D
Hash wouldn't have missed the ball in the first place :D
To be honest I have no issues with Haddin's - live it looked stone dead and that is why DRS has a margin for error. Watson's looked like a stinker - I wonder if, say, Hashim Amla would have been given out in identical circumstances?
Watson's decision was a fair one to be honest, live it looked plumb.
Yes Eng v SA in 1998 and that old Venkat magic ;)
Hussian had a few years of getting some absolute stinkers.
[url]http://youtu.be/lFdrddw3igo[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/lFdrddw3igo[/url])
I remember Akram's ball that pitch miles outside leg as well.
Some of Rudi's finest work!
[url]http://youtu.be/ODqMI2wSUqQ[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/ODqMI2wSUqQ[/url])
Some of Rudi's finest work!
[url]http://youtu.be/ODqMI2wSUqQ[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/ODqMI2wSUqQ[/url])
have not seen a Yarpie so desperate to receive honorary Australian citizenship since the 2003 RWC final!
don't get my started on the RWC 2003 Final! The greatest single incident of crap decision making in any major tournament ever. Had it been anybody else England would of won by 30 points. How could he not see the Aus scrum was going backwards at a rate of knots!
this is my favourite terrible decision...
Worst Cricket Umpire Decision Ever?! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP8DylcjmFg#[/url])
Ive seen this one before. I still dont get how it is legit! What was he out for! The batsmen doesn't blow up or anything.
Worst Umpiring decision ever. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYEKqiaL618#[/url])
WOW
Who not just trod on your stumps or something....seems silly
Worst Umpiring decision ever. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYEKqiaL618#[/url])
WOW
Hussian had a few years of getting some absolute stinkers.
[url]http://youtu.be/lFdrddw3igo[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/lFdrddw3igo[/url])
I remember Akram's ball that pitch miles outside leg as well.
WOW
Check his out!
Disgraceful umpires vs West Indies 1980 Fred Goodall vs Colin Croft ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOscUoF7ytg#[/url])
Kiwis didn't do things by half measures!
Hussey was given out caught behind to balls he missed by a few inches twice in 2009 Ashes and also in the first test against India season before last at the MCG.
Damian Martin smashed the ball into his pads twice in 2005 only to be given out LBW both times and Katich was also given LBW at Trent Bridge in 2005 after smashing it.
Would anyone rest Anderson for the last test? I think he needs a break. Broad and Bres are feeling more con fident at the mo, so slot in onions or Tremlett for the last test?
Surely it'd be Root at 6 and Compton opening if any change was made?
No-one seems to mention Stokes. I thought he was a bit special and his part time bowling more than useful?
Get Tremlett in. You have Swanny and Root to bowl spin.
I thinks Napier should play. he is better than woakes.
What about Rashid? Turns it opposite way to Swanny. Batting well in CC. Is hw injured? Not seen him on Yorkshire teamsheet recently?
he hasn't been playing in the YB(other) 40 games, but played the last Championship game. Would not be one of a four man attack just yet, I fear. If they wanted him at six for Bairstow to be a fifth bowler, that might work.
So who are people backing to take Bresnan's place? Tremlett with home ground advantage or Finn as first choice replacement? Wouldn't mind seeing Kerrigan given a go but that's more for the fact I enjoy seeing new players in the England shirt!
Aussie news: Usman out, Watson to bat 3 Starc back in for Jackson bird and Faulkner to debut (or daybooo?!)
How else can you pronounce debut?
Dey-byoo is how I have always pronounced it??
There is a thread here from some whinging Poms about this very subject matter:
[url]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751430[/url] ([url]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751430[/url])
They seem to be oblivious to the fact that Australian pronunciations and distinctive words were IMPORTED here from various regional 19th century English and Irish dialects that have morphed into what we now know as the Australian standard of English.
[url]http://dialectblog.com/2011/07/10/types-of-australian-accents/[/url] ([url]http://dialectblog.com/2011/07/10/types-of-australian-accents/[/url])
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English[/url])
Would've given Harris a rest instead of dropping Bird.
Surprised Chris Woakes is playing ahead of Finn and tremlett ???
TweetsSo it's a two spinner bowling line up with Woakes playing as a batsman and as the third non-spin bowler in the Watson mould!
Jonathan Agnew @Aggerscricket 2m
No Finn, Tremlett or Bairstow. Kerrigan and Woakes play
My gut tells me Finn in for Bresilad
Heart wants Woakes and Kerrigan in for Bairstow and Bres
woakes on to bowl
well we can take Woakes and Kerrigan off the tour party. If this is the next best spinner after Monty we've going to struggle in a few years time.They've bowled 7 overs between them, give them a chance for gods sake.
Australia 675-4 anyone?
Reckon Watson might get a ton here.
They've bowled 7 overs between them, give them a chance for gods sake.
Woakes has been smacked around in ODI cricket to the point where Ravi Bop is deemed a better seamer in that format. Kerrigan hopefully will come back but first thing a spinner has to do is pitch the thing up.and you've never bowled a few long hops when nervous?
and you've never bowled a few long hops when nervous?
of course, but they all train non stop for most of the year and get paid plenty of money to not bowl 0-28 off 2 overs. Like I said I hope he comes back but at the moment I fear the worst.
Why no tredwell? Bowls, can bat and I don't think I've ever seen him do a bad job in an england shirt. Or is he the replacement when Swann isn't fit/being rested?
of course, but they all train non stop for most of the year and get paid plenty of money to not bowl 0-28 off 2 overs. Like I said I hope he comes back but at the moment I fear the worst.
I have to say that Rogers is exactly what Australia needed in an opener. Perfect foil for Watson too
Everyone seems quite happy to hammer two players after a combined 7 overs. Isn't the question why Watson has only just fired in a dead rubber?
Chris Woakes' bowling has always been cannon fodder.
He doesn't shape the ball. His short bowls are like throw downs
Has done the same in the few ODI's he's played . No movement and smashed around.I'll give Woakes that his batting is pretty good.
Giles seems to be pushing him in the team
Chris Woakes' bowling has always been cannon fodder.
He doesn't shape the ball. His short bowls are like throw downs
If England wanted to test an all round, Ben Stokes would probably been a better bet. His been bowling briskly in recent times and he can certainly bat.
I'll give Woakes that his batting is pretty good.
But you're 3rd seamer can't be just gun barrel straight.
Look at Watson, he's 80mph, but moves the ball
But you're 3rd seamer can't be just gun barrel straight.
Look at Watson, he's 80mph, but moves the ball
What about Bresnan then? He's hardly rapid or a huge mover of the ball.
They regard him as someone who gets the ball to reverse, and do a bit off the seam, so not entirely convinced by your comment
Woakes is back, floodgates open....
Maiden over. Whoopee!
Woakes seems to have a little more pace these days?
that's a bonus, let's hope he can back it up.
Watson back on strike and the gates openWhat's your problem with Woakes?
Feel a bit sorry for Kerrigan as this looks like such a flat wicket. The fact that Watson has been able to just plant his feet all day with no issues about a moving ball proves that.
You can't bowl short at any level mind so maybe the gulf from Div 2 to Test level is too much for Kerrigan? I'd suggest that Panesar would be getting nothing out of this wicket as well.
Nope as I went for 4-0 :-[
I went 3-0 and...well...hate to say it but looks like I was right!
Maybe hold off till the end of play tomorrow, I'm picking Aussie to win this now, head home chock full of confidence and regain the Ashes, this is after all only the warm up series.
Cook's form mirrors 2010 vs Pakistan when all and sundry were calling for his head...
What a very dull day's cricket... Just goes to show that the bowling selection was totally wrong... Too many pies.
I suppose that is fair, no-one wants to see the yips. But in all fairness, while he might be very good in the CC, was he really ready to be bumped up into the test side l, especially given his treatment by Australia in the lions match? I just think his introduction in this match smacked of experimentation for its own sake when Tremlett may have been a better pick, especially with root as an alternative spinner.
I think Australia's tactics must bare part of the blame. When you have 5 fielders saving 1 and another 3 out on the boundary it doesn't aid high scoring. The plan is to bore england out and to some extent they have been successful. Stick it outside off and wait, and wait and wait. England for their part haven't worked out a way round it, or prefer to wear Australia down. Runs came at Lords in the final session of Day 3 as Australia grew weary and I expect the same here by afternoon or evening, if England are still in. Problem is it makes tedious defensive stalemate cricket in the meantime. Both teams are entitled to do it but it takes a long time before the bowling side cracks.
Seriously. You guys pay 100gbp to watch this crap. Cook is the worst captain out of all the international teams. Trott is the most boring number 3 , yeah he has an average of 50 but he faces 3000 balls to get there. Anymore test matches like this and test cricket might as well pack up it's bags and leave.
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My response although harsh was related to the way England went about there cricket. Before this match cook wanted to be in the record books by beating Australia 4-0. Bell said he wanted to finish the Aussies off. Looking at the test as it stands neither of these will happen(stranger things have happened). It will end in a bore draw. England is the better side, no question about that. Cook the better captain? I beg to differ. If both were given the same team Clarke would be the more proactive and exciting one. I apologize to buzz for being overly harsh.
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I agree - and Manor's point stands. Englands will have to change more of their XI to compete in Oz than you guys will.
I see Tremlett in for the Bres spot, only 1 spinner (root as backup), and I would find someone who can bat on fast bouncy wickets for the Bairstow position (although I would take him as reserve keeper).
I'm also confused about Stokes - seems he can bat at 6, bowl pretty brisk seam, but is well out of favour?
Cook, Trott, Pietersen & Bell scored at will and Tremlett and Anderson took a bucket load of wickets here last time backed up by Bresnan..... I don't think too much needs changing
So Watson opens with Warner and haddin Faulkner padded up?
I was expecting swashbuckling t20 cricket going on that. Yet nothing so far? Very random
In T20 (unless you have never noticed) there are fielding restrictions whereby you have to have a certain amount of blokes inside the circles.
England have a lot of blokes on the boundary preventing a flurry of fours that would normally occur in any limited overs type of game.
Thanks for the patronising reply.
The first 5 overs were not attacking, since has been. Liking faulkners effort..... Well was.
Terrible shot from Root! Doesn't deserve to keep the openers slot down under!
Bloody ridiculous! Lights are on, massive crowd who have paid a fortune to come and watch. When are they going to realise this is an entertainment industry and without public support it won't survive. Would they call off the Wimbledon final or the last hole at the open due to light. Feel let down just watching let alone if I'd paid to go.
Does anyone else get that deflated feeling now that test match cricket for the summer is over?
Clarke was rightfully booed because his team and coach moaned about England at every opportunity and complained about them being defensive, boring, cheating and everything else.
When it came down to it, England would have won having only played 10 men and the Aussies ran away with their tails between their collective legs having yet again not made good on all their talk, just like in the rugby. Nice to see us sticking it to the bullies Down Under.
No there isn't, certainly not in the context of this Test. England did what they felt they needed to do in order to maximise their chances of getting a favourable result, and if Clarke hadn't slowed the over rate to a crawl at the end there's a better-than-average chance it would have paid off. Equally, Clarke did what he had to do in order to avoid a loss. There is no condemnation from me for either team as far as that is concerned, since that's all part of Test cricket.
Chasing 500-odd, especially knowing that at least a day is going to be lost due to weather, means a draw is almost a certainty anyway. Building a meaningful first innings lead against that sort of target is extremely unlikely in any circumstance, so the smart thing to do is protect your wickets and make sure you enter the second innings with either a total close enough that it's honours even (risky), or wind down enough of the clock to make it almost impossible for the opponent to win (which is what England chose to do).
As it is, England's choice of action practically forced Clarke into a desperate gamble on the last day and but for poor light might have given them a route to an unlikely win, so I fail to see how it was a poor decision. Despite their so-called negativity, England ended up the most likely team to win and would probably have done so if Clarke hadn't employed his own 'negative' tactics.
Ironically, for all the talk that England had surrendered momentum to Australia with their obstinate batting on the third day, it will be England who have the momentum going into the winter series.
guess I just don't see the difference, it's either a part of a captain's arsenal or its not. At what point do you believe it acceptable to start 'delaying the game' and 'playing negatively'? We've established that you believe Day 2 is unacceptable. Is Day 3 ok? Day 4? Or is it only ok in the last session of a Test when it looks like you're going to lose? Where is the line?
The only reason Clarke gave England a sniff was because of the situation England had put him in. He had to either give England a sniff or play out for a draw himself.
All the more remarkable when you think England chose to play with only 10 men at the Oval. Poor Kerrigan contributed nothing with bat and ball, yet England were a whisker from winning until the Aussies decided to take their ball away and go home with defeat imminent. A moral victory if there ever was one.
Ah Australia. Disgusting gamesmanship and time wasting. Cowardly. They can play however they want to play, they are 3-0 for a reason, but if you're 3-0 down I'd have thought you'd try and get in a position to win a test. That's their choice. I know the fans get a refund for their tickets yesterday but maybe they should have for today. It didn't surprise me. I suppose any time they feel threatened they go into their shell and play pretty defensive cricket. When we gi to Australia it will be played on our terms and they are going to be in for a hell of a challenge back home.
Why should they be grateful to Clarke?!!!
They pay his match fee and he harangued the umpires into taking the players off with just 4 overs left of a game he was supposedly trying to make into a result.
Clarke's actions were entirely selfish and had nothing to do with entertaining the crowd.
Clarke showed his true colours there.
He was never interested in a "contest" or a "spectacle". He wanted a cheap win to start to mask the dreadful record he has as Australia captain over the last six months. And just as it started to go wrong, there he was, slowing the game down and pressuring the umpires. Doing the same things he and "Boof" have been criticising England for.
Warne and the cricketing hipsters can keep their mental declarations and wacky field-placings.
I'll stick with a captain who makes sensible decisions. Congrats to Cook and the England team on a great summer. Improvement is probable, but almost certainly not needed to retain the urn.
Australia saved by a few clouds.
Australia saved by daft ICC ruling.
Australia saved by Clarkey Chicken.
Hilarious !. Only an Australian could say this with a straight face. The Aussies have not won a test match in the last 10 they have played. It's not the umpires or the pitches or the weather or the DRS or ....... It's because your players are not good enough. It's probably why Australia is ranked 5th in comparison with England's 2nd in the world.
Quick poll - who is a worse loser ,that horrible little man - Ricky ponting or this years Aussie loser ,Michael Clarke ?.
My personal view is that Ponting was worse. A totally graceless individual.
Clarke's intimidation of the umpires was scandalous; they should report him and at least one of his thuggish team, Warner, to the authorities.
This is by far the worst-behaved Australian team to have visited Britain in memory. Good riddance to them -- and I hope England whitewash them in Australia.
Clarke had to declare or be labelled a hypocrite. He had whinged to the Press, the umpire and KP for a good while. Even his team mates banged on about Englands slow batting (whatever the hell that is).
To see Clarkes distraught little baby face, as he reprehensibly interfered with the umpires light measurement, and for said official have to push him away by hand on two occasions, was frankly disgraceful. If I was the umpire I would have stopped taking the reading for another over and advised Clarke the same would happen again until he stopped interfering. That'd show the bludgers.
I've never seen an Aussie side to disappear from a wicket so fast. A bit like a Keystone Cop moment as they all scuttled off en mass, in quicktime to the Pavilion. Cookie was quite right to say we would have won had the light held out.
If Clarke had been less of a hypocrite and more of a man, or indeed a sportsman, he would not have protested his fielders could not see the ball and played on to the end. After all the light is traditionally offered to the batsmen when the official consider the bowling dangerous. How often do the fielding side complain that no danger exists especially when they use spinners? On every occasion, that's how often. And the retort from the officials is always that the light is offered to the batsmen, spinners or not.
In my book you can't have it both ways. Declaring at Tea was brave and foolhardy but Clarke had no choice if he was to salvage anything from the Series. Had his bowlers bowled better and KP not batted so well Clarke would have been screaming to keep our batsmen on the pitch as light faded. Seems he wanted his cake and eat it, which we all know, you just can't have. We may not have fired on all cylinders in all departments but we know how to win matches.
It may be 3-0 in Wisden but morally it was a 4-0 whitewash.
Well done England. Good luck for the Winter Ashes Tour.
Absolutely - not a shred of sportsmanship in Clarke's declaration.
From then on his unsportsmanlike strategy mean an Aussie win or a draw.
It is an insight into character to see the Australia cricket team and its army of administrators fail to concede, even after this result and the result in India, that they are a second XI, living off the brilliant deeds done dirt cheap by previous Aussie teams. No shame in being lowly. Many English cricketers once made a career from losing.
And yet when England lost, there was a sense of humour present to ease the pain or the pain was eased by open acknowledgment of not being quite good enough on the day. Humour and acknowledgement both calm the anxious. What can also be said of acknowledgment is it brings with it the opportunity to do the things necessary so as to start to improve. And this test series was all about confirming that England has taken that opportunity and improved and Australia has not.
There is raw and adolescent tension when Australia loses. Players, wounded in defeat, front up and savagely proclaim that Australia will still win the series or even the last test match. Such theatre was pure Monty Python and induced the typically polite English cricket crowds into laughter. The only surprise in the result was whether Australia would lose by stoning or crucifixion.
In the fifth test, Clarke was four overs away from engineering the ultimate loss, but he was saved by an unlikely source: England's summer rain. And if Australia is to improve then it needs to acknowledge it is a team which is a work in progress, and it is the under-dog seeking to knock the top-dog off its box; else there will be a lot of empty sets, particularly here in Australia, when this wonderful contest resumes.
I suspect that there is less evidence of behaviour like this when the aussies were on top due to lack of internet at the time. I reckon there are just as many arrogant, pig headed idiots on your side as on ours... Let's face it, you see it from the Indian community too...
I suspect that there is less evidence of behaviour like this when the aussies were on top due to lack of internet at the time. I reckon there are just as many arrogant, pig headed idiots on your side as on ours... Let's face it, you see it from the Indian community too...
You only have to glance at the comments on a Robelinda video to see the Indian community getting at it! I agree that the supporters are being idiots, very quick to question the opposition's attitude to the game etc, but like Tim says, it happens all the time for every team!
I think the difference is that in the late nineties, true pleb access to the internet was much less advanced and ordinary websites didn't have the ability to comment. Internet forums already existed, but numbskulls tended not to populate those... Still, it's not acceptable whoever does it.
The big difference is that even in the 1970's, Australian crowds were egalitarian in their nature with working class/toffs side by side at the cricket with a 50/50 representation of the sexes with young girls in bikinis always a feature.
Watch old 70's early 80's clips of English test ,matches and the crowd is almost exclusively male and middle/upper class. Polite, knowledgeable crowds who would politely applaud Aussie boundaries, wickets and general good play. Since the early 1990's (the Barmy Army retards) there has been an influx of uncouth working class football fans who have started going to English test matches who seem to be less well versed on the finer points of the game. They just go to get boozed up in the sun. Also, belatedly (perhaps since 2005) there has been a greater influx of females at English grounds who look like extras from Geordie shore. So there has been a culture shift as to who actually follows the game - so it is not surprising that some of this dickhead element has found its way onto Guardian/Sun comments section expounding on "their" theories on cricket, however nonsensical they may be.
In SA back in the 70's, the Boer was not so interested in the cricket as his Anglo Saffer counterparts. The Boers tended to be Rugger mad. Nowadays, the Afrikaaners have taken to cricket, but curiously only the one day stuff. The test matches haven't caught their imagination as much, which is a pity as I see the Saffers as being very similar to Aussies in so many ways in attitudes and genetic make up.
I agree with Vic wholeheartedly, I think the attitude shown by some (not all) of the English fans has been pretty poor.
1. Did any-one see that bloke petulantly throw the ball on the floor when Faulkener went to retrieve it from the crowd. In all fairness the other England fans around him chastised him massively, but it didn't look good.
2. The response that the umpires got during the presentations from a vast majority of the crowd was disgusting! No excuse for it when the poor blokes were only applying the laws of the game. Yes, common sense should be applied but when it so blatantly favours the batsmen, then there is no way that they could possibly justify keeping the players on the pitch. If the tables had been turned, the english fans would be begging for the umpires to take them off.
3. To listen to some of the delusional English fans talk about how easy it was to beat the Aussies was laughable! Australia were worthy competition and if it weren't for a little bit of luck for us, then it could have easily been 2-2 going into this test and then what would have been said?
4. Clarke has done himself a lot of favours this tour imo. Has come out as an eloquent speaker, and a very good captain with perhaps a lesser, and less experienced battery of players.
5. Stupid blinkered fans that think it's a good thing to win 4-0. These muppets don't understand that test cricket needs a competitive series in the Ashes. Its the only test series with any importance placed on it. Us English get on our high horse about test cricket being the only cricket worth watching, yet it wasn't before 2005, and it won't be if England win the next 5 series!
I am hugely embaressed by this whole view and hope that Aus put up a huge display that they have been threatening down under, and while I hope England win, I hope its 2-1, and will (honestly) not be too disappointed if Aus win. As long as its a good series I think cricket needs to be the winner ;)
Also 100% agree with this, although I'm not sure that the Aussie crowds of the 70's/80's were that angelic. I've heard a lot of stories about racial aggravation against the great west indies sides of that era. But I wasn't there so can't say for definite lol.
the odd drunk would say something inappropriate, but it wasn't a common occurrence.
Following on from above, the West Indies were not only popular with the cricket crowds in Australia those days, they also rooted half the Aussie female population! The Windies were regularly seen at night clubs surrounded by young blondes like rockstars!
So if Australia was so racist, why did many of these blokes get married to Aussie birds...or at the least have Aussie girlfriends?
Jesus Christ Vic! I mentioned one time that I remember reading about! You're clearly answering your own question, its not all fans, its just a small number! Get over yourself, and go back to licking your wounds! I was trying to agree with you, but I won't bother if you're just going to tear every-one's opinions apart. Go back to being one man against the world if you want!
I heard a story about one of the partners of an australian batsman asked Joel Garner if it was true that a mans height was related to the size of his manhood? To which Garner replied " if it was I would be 10ft tall!"