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Title: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: eaowbear on December 21, 2010, 07:51:39 AM
With the 4th test a few days away it will be interesting to see if England decide to rest Finn as has been rumoured and whether Bell will be moved up the order to fully utilise the form he has been in as we need him to go large! What do people think - Bresnan for Finn if he is knackered or will they go for the wild card that is Shahzad?

Interesting article by Nasser about how we need to bowl at Hussey, the run machine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1340340/Nasser-Hussain-How-England-better-Mike-Hussey.html

And one from Geoffrey about how to bat (and he could bat with a stick of roooobarb)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/8214795/Geoffrey-Boycott-England-must-sort-out-batting-flaws-in-order-to-bounce-back-against-Australia-in-Ashes-series.html
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 21, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
Move bell up but stick with Finn if he is fit

If you listen to Geoffrey his mother was better than bradman and sachin combined with all the shots she could play
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Tumo on December 21, 2010, 08:22:06 AM
Move bell up but stick with Finn if he is fit

If you listen to Geoffrey his mother was better than bradman and sachin combined with all the shots she could play

Just on a quick tangent here...

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Geoff_Boycott's_Grandmother Absolutely brilliant!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: tim2000s on December 21, 2010, 09:25:21 AM
Just on a quick tangent here...

[url]http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Geoff_Boycott's_Grandmother[/url] Absolutely brilliant!

Love it.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Buzz on December 21, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
humm - a pitch like this one and Bresnen is a certainty to play - it looks like my village pitch!!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/493650.html?page=1
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Beachcricket on December 21, 2010, 01:10:19 PM
humm - a pitch like this one and Bresnen is a certainty to play - it looks like my village pitch!!

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/493650.html?page=1[/url]



Looks like a road, it's got less grass than a couple of wickets I played on last year. Interesting Nasser article, I'd fancy getting him out with my cheeky brand of long hops.

This may sound weird but has anyone else ever played on a wicket that's so wet it's played flat?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Canners on December 21, 2010, 01:11:49 PM
humm - a pitch like this one and Bresnen is a certainty to play - it looks like my village pitch!!

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/image/493650.html?page=1[/url]

what pitch? thought he was rolling the outfield.........
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Buzz on December 21, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
This may sound weird but has anyone else ever played on a wicket that's so wet it's played flat?

Yes - several times - some uncovered wickets and some wickets which have been rained on sometimes get the ball to whizz onto the bat - it can be really good to bat on. As an opener I have had this and you just have to ignore/trust the pitch which is sometimes difficult mentally when the pitch is bright green.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 21, 2010, 01:23:30 PM
Looks pretty green compared to normal MCG pitches, which are straw like coloured. I was expecting the pitch to be more like the outfield!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: tim2000s on December 21, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Is this the tactic of creating green, grassy wickets to nullify Swanny?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 21, 2010, 01:50:58 PM
or they might mow it...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: golders on December 21, 2010, 08:35:42 PM
Is anyone planning a party-through-the-night crickathon for the boxing day test?. I'd love to but feel that mum wont be quite so keen...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 22, 2010, 02:03:30 AM
Shahzad for me, quicker than Bresnan, swings it more and is more aggressive. I know we collapsed last match but our batting is good enough to have Shahzad over Bresnan too.

Especially on that pitch!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 22, 2010, 08:07:35 AM
Theres a video on cricinfo where boycott starts off by complimenting mike hussey and ends up raving about how good his own ashes record was, typical geoffrey!

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Buzz on December 22, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
the secret to Ian Bell's success - cage fighting?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/8217527/The-Ashes-2010-Englands-cagefighter-Ian-Bell-shows-Australia-ruthless-streak.html
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Canners on December 22, 2010, 10:31:58 AM
not your typical cricket training regime
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 22, 2010, 05:07:34 PM
looking back - thats exactly what he needed, hes gone from a shy yet talented player to a mentally strong, world class batsman and hes only gonna get better
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: golders on December 24, 2010, 09:12:47 AM
starts christmas day evening, no? As kp says, it's going to be 'huge huge huge.'
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: justnotcricket86 on December 24, 2010, 11:48:14 AM
Theres a video on cricinfo where boycott starts off by complimenting mike hussey and ends up raving about how good his own ashes record was, typical geoffrey!

Absolute idiot in my eyes
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 25, 2010, 11:02:20 PM
Good choice by england to bring in bresnan IMO
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 25, 2010, 11:02:41 PM
Shahzad over Bresnan for me everytime
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: essexarsenal on December 25, 2010, 11:05:14 PM
bloody hell tim bresnan !
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jimba101 on December 25, 2010, 11:06:15 PM
Shahzad looks a lot more like a wicket taker to me. Bresnan is not a test standard cricketer...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 25, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
Englands tail offered no resistance last match and on a slow pitch Bresnan will be better than Shahzad.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 25, 2010, 11:21:18 PM
Why was Morgan in the line-up?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 25, 2010, 11:31:07 PM
Early wicket, yes please.

New kit on display too
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 25, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
I don't know but 2 dropped catches and aggressive Hughes. Not good signs
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 25, 2010, 11:45:03 PM
YES
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on December 25, 2010, 11:48:20 PM
YES
Glad to see your on form
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johng on December 26, 2010, 12:26:12 AM
Ponting looks scratchy at best and Hughes technique will not stand up again or a question of what technique.

Will be 3 for not many shortly!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 12:33:35 AM
Good stuff England! None of the Aussies have looked comfortable imo..
Johan :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on December 26, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Lovely
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 26, 2010, 12:41:53 AM
Too high, new kit for mr cricket??
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 26, 2010, 12:46:00 AM
Huss has turned rouge by the looks of it
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: essexarsenal on December 26, 2010, 12:47:28 AM
rogue looks damm nicee
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: tim2000s on December 26, 2010, 12:48:13 AM
3 down... Awesome.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 26, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
hate it
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
anyone see that watson had the new gm stickers on his bat too? INteresting to see any other players with new kit perhaps..  :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: chipsticks on December 26, 2010, 01:30:25 AM
anyone see that watson had the new gm stickers on his bat too? INteresting to see any other players with new kit perhaps..  :)
i saw it! didnt really like the look of it, well hughes had the new stickers but not the new softs, ricky had new stickers as well, obviously hussey had new rogue stuff (but without the horrible orange piping on his pads) havent managed to look at smith yet. my question is will johnson have the aussie beast or taken his team-mates stuff and have the new stickers and softs??

and to keep with the topic, yes anderson great time for that wicket! bresnan looks good and tremlett seems to be enjoying the pitch, all looking up at the moment. think swann vs clarke will be interesting, as clarke not in best of form but a massive part of his game is playing spin and using his feet to it and ofcourse swanny is just swanny, so looks like that could line up to be a good'un

chip :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 02:36:05 AM
kook blade stuff was so much better in yellow, hughes looks like hes off to a building site in his high vis gear!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 03:15:27 AM
looking good from an england perspective, get braddin for single figures and try to roll them for 150<
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 03:49:58 AM
kook blade stuff was so much better in yellow, hughes looks like hes off to a building site in his high vis gear!
Are you talking about Hussey Simon, as he had new stuff, in Orange(the Rogue Range), but I didn't notice anything new with Hughes, maybe it's tiredness!  :)
But, this is great at the moment, woke up from a nap to find things have got even better, only 28 runs for another 4 :D Come on ENgland, skittle them for below 100 and we're in the business!  :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Riddy on December 26, 2010, 04:39:24 AM
hahhaha great bowling boys!! take that you dirty aussies
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 04:42:37 AM
hahhaha great bowling boys!! take that you dirty aussies
Lol! Well said, though now all we need to do is get to the close in a good position, hopefully 75-0 :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: mdl_1979 on December 26, 2010, 04:50:46 AM
Lol! Well said, though now all we need to do is get to the close in a good position, hopefully 75-0 :)

Lot of overs left - would be disappointed if we only scored 75!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 05:15:35 AM
True say: maybe 150 is slightly more realistic then: what do you think? :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: mdl_1979 on December 26, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
There's about an hour and a half of play left - would be happy with 115-2
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 26, 2010, 05:38:02 AM
No, Mark: there's even more due to the time lost due to rain - it ends in 2 and a quarter hours, I reckon 150/160-1?
 :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 26, 2010, 07:56:20 AM
WTF just woke up as been ill all week so could not stay up what the he'll has been happening in the test bad batting good bowling poor pitch somebody help me please!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 08:01:09 AM
Are you talking about Hussey Simon, as he had new stuff, in Orange(the Rogue Range), but I didn't notice anything new with Hughes, maybe it's tiredness!  :)
But, this is great at the moment, woke up from a nap to find things have got even better, only 28 runs for another 4 :D Come on ENgland, skittle them for below 100 and we're in the business!  :D

no im talking about the blade gear. prefered it in 2009 yellow
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: will5210 on December 26, 2010, 08:51:30 AM
Fantastic effort, just when we needed it!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: tommy2tink on December 26, 2010, 09:52:54 AM
Unbelievable scenes at the MCG.

Hello little urn!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Beachcricket on December 26, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
I'm shocked!

what a turnaround from the last tests efforts.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 26, 2010, 10:10:35 AM
Hmm, this thread is missing something.

Where is Jeet to tell us that regardless of the result of this series, India will be awarded the Ashes as everyone gives them a hard time and they deserve it?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johng on December 26, 2010, 10:30:56 AM
Very funny Jon.

I am going to the MCG tomorrow with my son and regardless of the result I am looking forward to watching England bat.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: umz_786 on December 26, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
Hmm, this thread is missing something.

Where is Jeet to tell us that regardless of the result of this series, India will be awarded the Ashes as everyone gives them a hard time and they deserve it?

We need a like button on this forum now...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Canners on December 26, 2010, 11:30:05 AM

just watched the highlights on the ecb site and the ozzies batted very poorly all getting out to lose shots outside the off stump....... i just hope we post a 500+ score now
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
Hmm, this thread is missing something.

Where is Jeet to tell us that regardless of the result of this series, India will be awarded the Ashes as everyone gives them a hard time and they deserve it?

i like this a lot jon, A LOT! - these topics turn in to discussions about india all too often, hopefully not this time because im sure i speak for plenty of members when i say i dont care about india unless theyre playing against England, then i will be willing to discuss them on a topic created for that particular series/match.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 26, 2010, 11:49:58 AM
Hmm, this thread is missing something.

Where is Jeet to tell us that regardless of the result of this series, India will be awarded the Ashes as everyone gives them a hard time and they deserve it?
Very funny
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 26, 2010, 01:27:20 PM
Morning all or afternoon hope you all had good crimbo what a day watched it all very pissed and thought i was dreaming.....

Yes Dravid is England best batsman....

Sorry Jeet lad England are to be honest looking good v a very Very Average Aussie side

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 03:07:52 PM
i think boycott has it spot on when he says eng, ind, saf are the best 3 teams around and the only difference is when they play in different conditions
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: tommy2tink on December 26, 2010, 03:35:06 PM
The same Boycott who after a few minutes of play on day one said
"I can't see any way how England can win this Test from what I've seen so far. A draw would do"?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Damo1583 on December 26, 2010, 04:38:01 PM
Looks like on their return to heathrow, england will have to go through the red eisle "anything to declare" Yes one little urn....;0)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 26, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
same person, different words
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: will5210 on December 27, 2010, 03:42:32 AM
England progressing nicely. Ponting's behaviour unacceptable!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: yvk3103 on December 27, 2010, 03:51:42 AM
3 quick wickets but Eng still in control. A lead of 250-300 will set the game up very well.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: will5210 on December 27, 2010, 04:05:26 AM
Let off for Prior!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 04:10:13 AM
Great umpiring but Dar. Needs to be given credit for that!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 04:11:07 AM
I like that new rule personally
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 04:22:39 AM
My friend's status 'It must be depressing playing cricket when the other team has faced more overs in their innings than you made runs in yours :L'
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 04:47:30 AM
Where is the like button for that :):):):)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 04:49:33 AM
Boycs is a legend. Laughing at Trott 'get up you big girl' 'Shoulda used the middle of the bat' 'This is an Oscar nomination' 'If he were a dog he woulda been shot by now'
Haha
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 07:23:11 AM
hopefully they throw the book at punter, noones got the right to have a go at the umpires like that
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 07:32:11 AM
At least a ban for me a match fee fine would be a disgrace you cannot do that even the Aussie commentators want him sacked lol
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johng on December 27, 2010, 08:39:16 AM
Yeah agree roco, Ponting is an arrogant rat.

Went to the MCG today and absolutely enjoyed the days play, sounds strange coming from an Australian.

Trott innings was outstanding and without chance and the banter from the Barmy Army was outstanding.

Feel very detached from this Australian side as I know the poorer they perform the more positive change that will occur to Australian cricket.

But a real joy for my son to watch and learn from tough, tight and discipline batting that was on display from the English batsman today.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 09:18:50 AM
Swann will tear you apart again (to the tune of joy division) is the best thing ive heard from them, class
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 12:32:57 PM
I think Trott is outstanding and a real old fashioned dog fighter and what a cracking start to test cricket he is having, He is our answer to India's Dravid.

Ricky Ponting Sir you have been a cracking cricketer,captain and for all your grumpyness i still like your interviews always honest and you have been a credit to convict cricket, but your time has come and yesterday was the unravling of your tenor as captain and leader.

I think England are good but to be honest we still do not know how good because Australia are poor very poor..
 

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: PM7 on December 27, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Well said there Dave.  All 3 points are spot on and I couldnt agree more.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 01:41:21 PM
Ponting has only recieved a pathetic 40% match fee fine this just opens the door for more players to confront umpires in this way as what is that fine to an international player
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 02:31:13 PM
I think Trott is outstanding and a real old fashioned dog fighter and what a cracking start to test cricket he is having, He is our answer to India's Dravid.

hmmm - I can see your point but Trott doesn't quite have the class - more of a mini-Kallis, methinks
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 27, 2010, 02:33:18 PM
Just noticed Trott has not made a duck in 29 innings yet
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 02:35:04 PM
What's the record? 52 isn't it by AB?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
hmmm - I can see your point but Trott doesn't quite have the class - more of a mini-Kallis, methinks

Sorry bud but it maybe only a start but nobody can question Trott's class at all..

And i suspect your not trying to tell me Dravid is a better batsman than Kallis are you.....

Good fish but although i do not like Kallis for some strange reason there no doubting he is up there with Tendulkar both in terms of his stats and his actual prominance of his side
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 27, 2010, 02:36:44 PM
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/284082.html
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 02:37:59 PM
Even if Trott gets 3898785425 runs in his test career he'll never be regarded as a great because he has not flare about him. Think of Warne, Richards, Holding, Botham, Flintoff, Tendulkar. All these players have something about them as well as an abundance of talent.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 02:39:07 PM
Cheers John
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 02:39:46 PM
Sorry bud but it maybe only a start but nobody can question Trott's class at all..

And i suspect your not trying to tell me Dravid is a better batsman than Kallis are you.....
I'm not denying Trott's class, I just think that Dravid is a special, special player, who, unlike Kallis, has done it on all wickets against all teams in all parts of the world. This is splitting hairs, Kallis & Dravid both ahead of Trott for longevity and having had the advantage of making debuts young.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 02:42:24 PM
Fair point Alvaro but i was pointing out he is our answer to the wall somebody we can depend on at 3 which we England have not had for a long time...


Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 02:44:37 PM
I agree Dave
We've waiting a while for one, haven't we?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 27, 2010, 02:45:15 PM
Trott still has not hit a six yet in tests....maybe he is following after cook
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 02:47:02 PM
Can't get caught on the ground.

Says the person who was caught more than 50% last season, fact.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 02:51:13 PM
I went to bed at 4 what was Prior innings like once again another player i have championed when people were ranting on about Bedwetter...

How did he bat???

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Damo1583 on December 27, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from a mate on facebook to our aussie overseas....."your nations finest XI are playing against Jonathan Trott, and he is winning by 3 runs"...;0)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
I went to bed at 4 what was Prior innings like once again another player i have championed when people were ranting on about Bedwetter...

How did he bat???



got a let off, caught behind off a no ball, batted positively and pretty well to be honest but i am yet to be convinced by him as he has never made the hard runs to dig us out of holes, something many people said about ian bell a year or two ago, would like to see prior make runs in tricky situations, not just coming in at 300-5 and having a bash
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 03:27:37 PM
Prior is up there with the best keeper/batsman in the world agree with your point to a degree but he is a fine cricketer and much improved keeper he is impressing me
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 03:39:13 PM
certainly improving - has become very good with gloves, averaging 40 with the bat is a bit flattering for him tho as hes never made those tough gritty runs we sometimes need
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
Prior is now a fine international cricketer.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: lovers99 on December 27, 2010, 03:55:15 PM
Didn't he make gritty runs in this innings?? Looked dreadfully out of touch early and got away with a few loose strokes but is still there on 75no looking at a ton.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
these are important runs yes. but coming in at 286-5 as he did in this innings considering we were 188 runs ahead anyway at the time there wasnt as much pressure as going in at 60-5 as he has in the past when weve needed innings like this, when he starts becoming reliable in times of need, then we can call him a top class keeper/batsman. with the top order firing as they are now it doesnt get shown up as much but when we really need him (60-5 scenario) that is the true test and we havent seen him make runs in those situations where we are really under the pump.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 04:22:10 PM
massive similarity to ian bell 2 years ago - i feel prior could learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 05:11:52 PM
To be fair Prior could get in the side with just his batting in my opinion but can anybody name a better batsman keeper his only real rival is Dhoni because Haddin simply is not that good a keeper
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
To be fair Prior could get in the side with just his batting in my opinion but can anybody name a better batsman keeper his only real rival is Dhoni because Haddin simply is not that good a keeper
If Boucher batted like MSD or Prior, he would be the dream wk/batsman!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 05:52:38 PM
agreed
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Damo1583 on December 27, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
To be fair Prior could get in the side with just his batting in my opinion but can anybody name a better batsman keeper his only real rival is Dhoni because Haddin simply is not that good a keeper
Kumar Sangakkara!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Riddy on December 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
doesnt keep anymore
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
im not sold on prior just yet, although do think hes the best man for the job - hopefully he will assure me with a quick 50 to add to that 75* tonight!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Riddy on December 27, 2010, 06:01:17 PM
got a let off, caught behind off a no ball, batted positively and pretty well to be honest but i am yet to be convinced by him as he has never made the hard runs to dig us out of holes, something many people said about ian bell a year or two ago, would like to see prior make runs in tricky situations, not just coming in at 300-5 and having a bash
made 80 odd not out against pakistan in the summer.... the next highest score was 49 from stuart broad...   think that proves your point?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 06:04:29 PM
not sure that one example is going to change my entire mindset on the subject
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 06:06:03 PM
Ok Mr tell we who you want to keep for England
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 06:09:25 PM
im not sold on prior just yet, although do think hes the best man for the job - hopefully he will assure me with a quick 50 to add to that 75* tonight!

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 06:10:52 PM
just not sure i agree with this 'world class' tag associated with him as he has still got plenty to prove
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 06:15:29 PM
Prior is world class keeper/batsman and i think he a little bit better than that i suspect he one area England are not worried about at all we all know he is miles ahead of his competition in England and i suspect he is possible one of the first names on the test sheet.

Look through his history he has made runs on noumours (sp) occasions for England big runs as well.

To be honest i sold on everybody in England side bar Collingwood but i suspect he will come good in Sydney good old Colly style..



So Cricket who is better batsman/keeper in the world test arena than him..  I can think of only one

In fact i think although it a modern thing realy the keeper/batsman i suspect he is in the top 10 of all time batsman/keepers

A bold statement but i can not think of 10 better batsman who kept at test level for a long period of time...sure there better keepers but he is getting better and better
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 06:22:51 PM
his beard is good too
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 06:23:40 PM
yes looks a bloody old bugger for 28 with the old egg in the nest look
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 06:26:18 PM
an odd contrast to the white PE kit
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 06:33:47 PM
sad truth is that theres not many world class keeper/batsmen around. go around the test world nation by nation and theres a flaw with most of them, england and in a comparitively good position having prior settled in the side

Haddin is the best around at the minute, solid when he wants to be with the bat and athletic behind the stumps.

Ive got no problems with Prior, your argueing with yourself if your trying to pick me up on that! my point was that in a 60-5 scenario hes got something to prove, and when someone says 'world class keeper/batsmen' i think names like Gilchrist and Sangakkara who were big run getters and solid glovemen - in terms of batting you just cant put Prior in that category, good - yes, world class - no

i dont think im saying anything here that isnt agreeable, maybe i hadnt put my point across properly to begin with or people didnt understand what i meant, but im not looking for a barrage of 'change your opinion' reposts from everyone!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 06:40:26 PM
his beard is good too
If he keeps going with the beard, maybe he could be the English Amla, albeit without the Asian wrists lol
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 06:46:31 PM
You know this keeper/batsman debate? Are you talking about in tests, or just generally, as if it's generally, surely it's got to be Kumar Sangakkara?! Average of 55 at tests (there or thereabouts, you can correct me if you want Jeet-) is bloody handy! His keeping is sharp too? Though I highly rate Prior, and his keeping on day one was fantastic, did you see some of his stops?! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Tumo on December 27, 2010, 06:49:23 PM
sad truth is that theres not many world class keeper/batsmen around. go around the test world nation by nation and theres a flaw with most of them, england and in a comparitively good position having prior settled in the side

Haddin is the best around at the minute, solid when he wants to be with the bat and athletic behind the stumps.

Ive got no problems with Prior, your argueing with yourself if your trying to pick me up on that! my point was that in a 60-5 scenario hes got something to prove, and when someone says 'world class keeper/batsmen' i think names like Gilchrist and Sangakkara who were big run getters and solid glovemen - in terms of batting you just cant put Prior in that category, good - yes, world class - no

i dont think im saying anything here that isnt agreeable, maybe i hadnt put my point across properly to begin with or people didnt understand what i meant, but im not looking for a barrage of 'change your opinion' reposts from everyone!
I'm gonna take you up on Gilly's keeping. It was sloppy. His ridiculous appetite for runs masked the fact that he would miss, on average, one chance a match with the gloves. Not always big chances, easy chances, or important batsmen, but a chance all the same. Prior's a far superior keeper, and admittedly not as good a batsman but still quality. I'd take him over Haddin as well. Not sold at all on Haddin. Sanga's average as a keeper is 40.48, admittedly still not bad but his average as a batsman alone is 76.52. Clearly a burden on him, as well as the captaincy. Andy Flower the best of recent times though! Gilchrist was rarely in the 60-5 situation, I mean just look at the line-ups he's had before him. He was rarely in strife like 70-5, although when he was he fought his way out, not doubting the player by any means!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 06:59:30 PM
Haddin is a poor keeper and whilst his batting is up there with Prior but his keeping is not.

There a reason for Tim Paine knocking around in truth i suspect were seeing the end of Haddin in this series along with Ponting,Katich,Hillfenhaus, and possibly Hussey if he calls time.

England are supirior to the Aussie in every aspect apart from number 5......

In fact lets merge the 2 sides here goes

1,Cook
2,Strauss
3.Trott
4.Pietersen
5.Hussey
6.Bell
7.Prior
8.Swann
9.Siddell
10.Tremlett
11.Anderson


And i suspect Australia are struggling for youth Steve Smith is on poor with both bat and ball and in truth looks out of his depth..

Gone are the days of Australia superior state sides it just not there they remind me of England a few years ago picking people out of the blue,

I would be upset if my club signed Xavier Doherty as Pro never mind test cricket
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
Yeah, no. 5, and then you add siddle as well.. ???
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 07:05:07 PM
Because Broad injured and Finn will get there in time

It kind of sad on a way like when Liverpool stopped being unbeatable it relay is the end of there dynasty

I know some will say he young and quality but Steven Smith looks very poor and the Doherty kid well what were they thinking surely there is better than them two but i have looked around Victoria play a 40 year old leggie albeit a bloody good one but got walloped by India a few years ago
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 07:06:17 PM
Fair enough. What would your world xi be then dave??
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 07:11:16 PM
Can't agree with gillys keeping being poor always saw him as a good keeper yes batting helps mask mistakes but what keeper/batsmen does not make the odd clanger let alone some keepers
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 07:15:25 PM
1.V Sehwag
2.H Amala
3.S Tendulkar
4.J Kallis
5.M Hussey
6.K Sangakkara
7.M Boutcher
8.Z Khan
9.G Swann
10.D Steyn
11.J Anderson
12.M Morkel
12.A Cook

right now that would be my side lower order not in batting order


Roco Gilly had to leave i think it was either NSW/VICTORIA  because his keeping was not good enough
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 07:33:01 PM
Maybe but how poor was priors keeping only a year or two ago gilly got better and ended up for me one of the better keeper batsmen but just my opinion
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: pacman75cricket on December 27, 2010, 07:37:26 PM
Interesting the keeping debate as prior was saying keeping in Australia was a lot easier than other countries
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 07:48:42 PM
Of course it is i have p;layed there and although sometimes you get a little bit of after swing it not the same as the uk

Gilchrist is the godfather of batsman/keepers
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 07:49:32 PM
Haddin has but one mode of playing - just a glorified slapper. his dismissal yesterday was thick.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 07:51:09 PM
role of keeper has changed - get a man who can catch the nicks and cancel out the byes seems to be part of the selectorial modus operandi
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 07:52:13 PM
Gilchrist is the godfather of batsman/keepers
i raise you one Leslie Ames
100 first class 100s - only wk to do it
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
So any predictions for today mine is bat for 1 hour get a quick extra 100 if possible then hopefully have the convicts 6 down at the end of play
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 09:35:56 PM
Hmm. Enough time to bat up to 1 hour before tea in my eyes, giving the Aussies a tricky 45 mins to bat before tea and the final session to play out, though on recent form, it could all be over by then... :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: roco on December 27, 2010, 09:42:11 PM
Get a 400/450 lead as quick as then declare get them in with 200 overs to bat ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 10:00:53 PM
if it's overcast, declare overnight. Serious pressure on a shoddy top order and game could be over before Tea
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Buzz on December 27, 2010, 10:06:09 PM
Difficult to predict what to do, the morning is the hardest time to bat so quick runs will be tough. The most likely turn of events is that we get bowled out after lunch. The afternoon and evening sessions are much easier batting sessions at the MCG so will be better for the aus. I'd like to see us win tomorrow but with a final ton from Rickie. Jeet's declare over night is what i'd love to see us do. It is the best chance of a quick win and very aggressive.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Difficult to predict what to do, the morning is the hardest time to bat so quick runs will be tough. The most likely turn of events is that we get bowled out after lunch. The afternoon and evening sessions are much easier batting sessions at the MCG so will be better for the aus. I'd like to see us win tomorrow but with a final ton from rickie.
Jeet's declare over night is what i'd love to see us do. It is the best chance of a stick win.
If Vaughan was captain or KP, than England would declare overnight, Strauss is slightly (sometimes very) conservative!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 10:32:01 PM
flower and strauss always conservative, nice situation to be in repeatedly tho!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: 100 not out on December 27, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
there are 3 days left. . . . . .get a lead of 500 and put men all round the bat for swannie.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
Just a quick poser, from a neutral, if the Oz openers put on a decent opening stand say 100-150, do you think Oz management should consider promoting Hussey to number 3?

It's seems unrealistic as I don't believe Hughes and Watson can bat in a responsible manner.

Whatever Oz do, I believe they will lose, but to give them an outside change of a draw, Hussey batting at 3 blunting the English bowlers(more so Swann) and protecting Punter and Clarke.

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 10:50:00 PM
Whether or not HUghes and Watson can bat in a responsible manner, I doubt the Aussies will do that, because they have so much faith in Ponting, and rightly so, judging by what he has achieved in his career!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
Whether or not HUghes and Watson can bat in a responsible manner, I doubt the Aussies will do that, because they have so much faith in Ponting, and rightly so, judging by what he has achieved in his career!
Whilst I agree, 25000 International runs don't come by fluke. He's got a broken digit and his mind isn't working correctly(incident with Aleem Dar), coming in down the order may reduce some pressure.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 10:52:57 PM
Ponting weather you like him or not he from the Alan Border school a old school cricketer and with him apparently on the edge cricket will be a duller place without him and the ashes

Ponting is a legend no matter what side of the pond your stance is

Jeet

Not a chance he is a ally cat i would too like him to score a hundread and England win top bloke but a bad loser a Winner in my eyes
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: GJ on December 27, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
Nobody's doubting Pontings record or stats, just a case of moving him down the order. I personally think it would be a good move, Hussey to 3 would add some slight solidarity to the top order.
But I must say that this is one of the most ordinary Aussie sides there have been for a while. Steve Smith at 6, talk me through that one! The guy's a spinner who can bat a bit, not a front line batsman. Hughes is similar, dont know why hes there to be honest. Much better players in state cricket such as Jaques. Dreadful technique and patience for test cricket.
Bowling looks bleak as well apart from Siddle. Hilfenhaus has been highly ineffective as too Harris. Not good signs for any Aussie fans. Ive said it before that Ponting will go after this series and I can see this game being wrapped up today. Swann should get some wickets too...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:06:09 PM
Jaques is a class act but only averaging around 17 in first class cricket this season....

Truth is the scoon is dry and Smith if you believe the hype is a so called batsman who can bowl...

Can not wait for it to start i think it time for Australia cricket to do what they did when Border took over

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:06:21 PM
Nobody's doubting Pontings record or stats, just a case of moving him down the order. I personally think it would be a good move, Hussey to 3 would add some slight solidarity to the top order.
But I must say that this is one of the most ordinary Aussie sides there have been for a while. Steve Smith at 6, talk me through that one! The guy's a spinner who can bat a bit, not a front line batsman. Hughes is similar, dont know why hes there to be honest. Much better players in state cricket such as Jaques. Dreadful technique and patience for test cricket.
Bowling looks bleak as well apart from Siddle. Hilfenhaus has been highly ineffective as too Harris. Not good signs for any Aussie fans. Ive said it before that Ponting will go after this series and I can see this game being wrapped up today. Swann should get some wickets too...
Bit harsh on Harris GJ, he was their best bowler in Adelaide and was excellent in Perth.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
Jaques is a class act but only averaging around 17 in first class cricket this season....

Truth is the scoon is dry and Smith if you believe the hype is a so called batsman who can bowl...

Can not wait for it to start i think it time for Australia cricket to do what they did when Border took over


There's a young guy in Sydney called Maddison I think he could be worth a punt at the last Test.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Alvaro on December 27, 2010, 11:11:11 PM
He's played three or four first class games ... no wonder everyone is harking back to english selection style of the 80s/90s
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
the bloke i suggested about 3 weeks ago Jeet Yes i suspect he will get a go if Australia lose this test

I also suspect the old Laver sponsored Lynn will get his chance so will the Asian lad playing for NSW..
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
the bloke i suggested about 3 weeks ago Jeet Yes i suspect he will get a go if Australia lose this test
Sorry I didn't see your comment mate.

I think they should go with youth in the final Test.

Maddinson, Paine, Khawaja, White, Watson, McDonald, James Pattinson etc and groom a side for the future
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 11:17:38 PM
If it is a 'lost test' then I agree Jeet, Australia should play young'uns for the last test.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: GJ on December 27, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
Yeah probably was a bit harsh looking back at it. Although I think hes looked very ordinary on a pitch that should suit him perfectly as a 'hit the deck' bowler.
Hauritz needs to be recalled to add something extra to their bowling attack, adds something with the bat too which would be invaluable to them at the moment... 
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
I think they have no choice soon if they want to be a good side in the future

Agree with them is that Mcdonald Ronald who plays for Victoria he average at best

The end for

Ponting
Katich
Hillfenhaus
Haddin
Hussey if he''s had enough?????
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 11:20:08 PM
Haddin and Huss will remain I think.

Hauritz has been a big loss for Aus in this series.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 11:20:37 PM
that is ridiculous!

none of them going anywhere, even if punter loses captaincy he will stay in team maybe bat 5.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:21:32 PM
If Sydney's a square turner, than Stephen O'Keefe should make his debut, he been out-bowling Hauritz in Shield cricket. But they could both play.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
that is ridiculous!

none of them going anywhere, even if punter loses captaincy he will stay in team maybe bat 5.
Ponting won't stay on without the captaincy.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Rubbish Ponting will not remain at all neither will Katich

They understand mother time has caught up with them



Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 11:23:20 PM
Ponting's eyes have gone, which is why he is no longer in the top league.

Tendulkar on the other hand will have to go blind before he comes down a league, or two.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 11:26:01 PM
hauritz wont play - he had a yard sale of all his aus kit, and when interviewed he told the reporter "i dont play for them any more"

would be very unaustralian to select the man after that
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 11:28:05 PM
I have a lot more respect for Hauritz.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johng on December 27, 2010, 11:30:22 PM
Nice to see so many nice words about Punter.

But the reality is Punter has dictated to the selectors on who can be selected in the Aus XI which has seen the demise of the likes of Brad Hodge and the like. Hilditch has been compliant to this situation during his tenor as CoS causing a second rate XI's to be picked consistently which ultimately will cost Hilditch his job.

I ask you all this, is Smith the best number 6 in Australia and how the hell is that Gen Y flat track bully without a technique Hughes being picked?? Beyond belief really!!

Ponting in Australia will not be remembered for 25,000 international runs but will be remembered as probably one of Australia's worst Captains in living memory, loosing 3 Ashes series and 2 in a row on English soil the first to do so in 90 years.

His record as Captain without Warne and Co is appalling and speaks for itself.

The issue of not dropping down the order is sheer arrogance when many before him such as Alan Border and Clive Lloyd did so in the twilight of their career and with great success.

At the MCG yesterday the Australian crowd was hostile towards Ponting which is unprecedented, it is time for Ponting to move on and concerntrate on his golf

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 27, 2010, 11:32:01 PM
katich will not be going anywhere, especially since the selectors will see it as a choice between him and hughes. katich is a great foil for watson with whom he has formed a settled opening partnership. hussey is in the form of his life and i cant see him wanting to waste that by saying enoughs enough. hilfenhaus has looked toothless, maybe he will fade away and theyll look to someone young and exciting like mitchell starc. haddin isnt going anywhere either, that ton in brisbane should keep him in there for a good 2 more years
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: GJ on December 27, 2010, 11:33:49 PM
Why would Katich not play again? Solid opener and talk of him being fit for the final test. Seems a good option for me. Far better than the number 11 Hughes!
Not a case of Ponting's eyes going, nothing wrong there as he is still quality in the slips. Just going through a bad patch of form and showing what a terribe captain he really is!
O'Keefe looks alright but not really someone that is gamechanging or a break-through spin bowler which is something they desperately need.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:35:57 PM
Mr Cricket i think they will restructure and Katich is 35 and i think in the long term and short his days are numbered.

Ref Haddin 33 possible has 2 years left but Paine is in position to make a claim

I not saying he will not play again i just saying after this series i see a big change in Australian sides

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: pacman75cricket on December 27, 2010, 11:36:29 PM
Harsh on Ponting as think he is a quality player & Tendulkar was written off not so long ago
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 27, 2010, 11:38:15 PM
Why would Katich not play again? Solid opener and talk of him being fit for the final test. Seems a good option for me. Far better than the number 11 Hughes!
Not a case of Ponting's eyes going, nothing wrong there as he is still quality in the slips. Just going through a bad patch of form and showing what a terribe captain he really is!
O'Keefe looks alright but not really someone that is gamechanging or a break-through spin bowler which is something they desperately need.
Currently SOK is the only Australian spinner to average below 30 in F/C, so he must be worth a punt.

Time isn't on Katich's side. 35 yo. How he has recovered from a slight tear in his Achilles in 2 weeks I'll never know!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:39:34 PM
I personally hate Haddin and wish his cricket flops

Not more arrogant (No Swearing Please) in my days refused a picture with us and insulted my mate than ran off at the SCG

Australia are poor even the best captain in the world would struggle to motivate this bunch of very average cricketer

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 27, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
fined for pipeing Nasser Hussain what a story
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
Lol yeah, loved Shane Warne's quip about him buying a round...NOT! I thought Prior was unlucky, seemed to hold in the pitch a tad, though he might just have been early- decent catch by Punter though...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SillyShilly on December 27, 2010, 11:55:30 PM
http://www.aymo.net/
Link for those without sky :D
Prior's gone....agree with the prediction that we will get bowled out just after lunch, hopefully with a lead of 450+!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 27, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
Dom, you're on the forum again. Haven't seen you on here for a while. I think if Bresnan hangs about, 450-500 lead would be great, very likely!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 27, 2010, 11:59:16 PM
Swanny to get going!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SillyShilly on December 28, 2010, 12:03:38 AM
Would love to see swanny's next video diary once we wrap up the ashes......could be interesting!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 12:13:17 AM
Aussie spinners - Jason Krjzayyytkiya?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 28, 2010, 12:16:52 AM
katich gives aus a massive amount of stability, theyll keep him in that side until he can shuffle across those stumps no more!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 12:20:15 AM
Swan wearing his new remfry gear
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 12:23:19 AM
Well bowled Peter Siddle. 5 fer at his home ground!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 12:30:09 AM
Well bowled Peter Siddle. 5 fer at his home ground!

An amazing fightback by Australia. I'd actually put them as slight favourites now.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 12:31:46 AM
An amazing fightback by Australia. I'd actually put them as slight favourites now.
I wasn't implying of any fightback, just that Siddle has shown his team-mates how to bowl on this pitch
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 28, 2010, 12:32:21 AM
dont see the point in this, batting with no intent, just taking time out of the game, declare now if were not gonna take it to them!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 12:34:51 AM
dont see the point in this, batting with no intent, just taking time out of the game, declare now if were not gonna take it to them!
Heat baking the pitch, cracks will start emerging soon!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 28, 2010, 12:40:56 AM
plenty of time for that while the seamers are removing the convict top order!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 12:47:55 AM
An amazing fightback by Australia. I'd actually put them as slight favourites now.

I feel I must step up in my capacity as an administrator and berate you for not putting some kind of smiley on the end of this - first time I read it I thought you were being serious! :P

Go swanny! loving him giving mitchell johnson some clout! that was a world class hoyne!

on the oz selection dilemma, how about brining Paine into the side to keep wicket (and grooming him as a future skipper), but keeping haddin as a specialist bat.

I think Ponting is a world class player, who england have bowled very, very well at, and also had their fair share of luck. I don't think ACB can drop him at the moment, as there is no one to step up and captain the team - they surely can't give Clarke the job when he is struggling for form too? Clarke has generally got out playing very poor shots - Ponting has been strangled twice (unlucky), out to a freak catch, and then had 3 good balls
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
or maybe they could drop Ponting and give the captaincy to Hussey on a short term basis?

Ok, gonna go with my oz team...

1. katich
2. Watson
3. Ponting (c)
4. Hussey
5. Haddin
6. Cameron White (another possible future skipper and surely a better player than Smith?)
7. Paine (again, being touted in the press as a captaincy candidate)
8. Johnson (inconsistent, but most likely match winner)
9. Hauritz (Punter doesn't like him, but he is Australia's best spinner and has experience to back it up)
10. Harris
11. Siddle
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Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 12:54:11 AM
Hauritz has declared himself out of selection
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 12:54:33 AM
when?
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Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 12:57:32 AM
or maybe they could drop Ponting and give the captaincy to Hussey on a short term basis?

Ok, gonna go with my oz team...

1. katich
2. Watson
3. Ponting (c)
4. Hussey
5. Haddin
6. Cameron White (another possible future skipper and surely a better player than Smith?)
7. Paine (again, being touted in the press as a captaincy candidate)
8. Johnson (inconsistent, but most likely match winner)
9. Hauritz (Punter doesn't like him, but he is Australia's best spinner and has experience to back it up)
10. Harris
11. Siddle
If Haddin was playing as a batter, than Khawaja is a better bet
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 12:58:12 AM
Hauritz has pro'd for Nelson Lancs league good record but has declared himself unavailable
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SillyShilly on December 28, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
agree with cameron white, think he is a better choice in front of clarke who seems to be the only other current candidate.
Hauritz should have been in from the start and could have provided punter with some control at times.
Not so sure about the haddin/paine debate......i rate haddin as a keeper who can bat well, perhaps pushing him up the order might give him a chance to excel a little more (or fail miserably!??)

I wonder if this current test match form will have a knock on effect with their one day side??
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 01:01:26 AM

I wonder if this current test match form will have a knock on effect with their one day side??
They lost to SL in an ODI series at home for the first before the Ashes
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:06:48 AM
I think Haddin is a batter who keeps a bit - if you compare his keeping to Prior's, Prior is streets ahead - haddin has been Australia' best batsman after Hussey

I thought that hauritz had officially stated that if the selectors want him, he'll play. The yard sale incident seemed to me to be a flippant remark - I'm sure if he got picked for Sydney he'd be issued with brand spanking new Vodafone embroidered sweaters to replace the VB sweaters he has now sold anyway
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SillyShilly on December 28, 2010, 01:07:41 AM
it would appear that most test nations are currenly forming an orderly queue to kick the aussies while they are down, england doing a fine job of this at the moment......who's next??
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 01:08:07 AM
Though we've been criticising Haddin's keeping, that was a rather good catch. I'm definitely all for Hauritz playing, why pick (No Swearing Please) state spinners, who would hardly make it into premier league cricket over here?! ???
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Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 01:09:14 AM
it would appear that most test nations are currenly forming an orderly queue to kick the aussies while they are down, england doing a fine job of this at the moment......who's next??

India.

In their sleep.

Holding their bats up side down.

 ;)

I'm sorry, it is too easy.
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Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 01:10:42 AM
Fancy SL too. I think Australia need to move on, and really try to establish a young and new side, worth a punt now, especially from what we've been saying previously! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 01:14:09 AM
One for Tom Ayrtek

Dave Wade -----  Chris Tremlett

Spitting image in every sense
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 01:18:24 AM
Anderson has an average of 12, best for a number 11 in the world atm?

50 from him ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 01:19:28 AM
looks like all the england lads have been shopping at remfry it all looks new
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Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 01:21:41 AM
Maybe not
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Post by: will5210 on December 28, 2010, 01:25:42 AM
Cameron White would be a better skipper than the alternatives I feel.

We need to get stuck into the Aussies quickly now, track seems fairly placid.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 01:26:56 AM
It swinging though if it does it goodbye Hughes
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
Stuart McGill one of the unluckiest test players ever????
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:41:08 AM
Watching 'Agony & ecstasy' during the lunch break - who the hell was Matt Nicholson?
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Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 01:44:29 AM
nicholson pro'd for Church i think about 25 miles from you Johnny

Warren Hegg
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:48:39 AM
...wasn't 25 miles from me in 1998 though
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:50:10 AM
no spinner for England in '98?
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Post by: SillyShilly on December 28, 2010, 01:55:02 AM
Warren Hegg.....possibly some of the worst celebrations ever to grace a cricket field, also possibly one of the worst wicket keepers to pull on the england shirt!
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:55:56 AM
Harsh! Hegg is a leg-end
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 01:56:11 AM
....though possibly not quite world class
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Warren Hegg.....possibly some of the worst celebrations ever to grace a cricket field, also possibly one of the worst wicket keepers to pull on the england shirt!

Dom

Ducky was a very capable wicketkeeper indeed have you ever seen him i suspect you were about 5 in 98....

Leave our Warren alone
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 02:13:26 AM
Come on Strauss! Get the slip cordon full for Hughes!! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: petehosk on December 28, 2010, 02:15:34 AM
Hughes as an opener? Hmmmm!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 03:01:28 AM
England bowling poor here fielding placement even poorer
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 03:04:21 AM
Pack the offside, bowl half-volleys then every now and then take the pace off = catches at cover.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 03:05:09 AM
I think England think this is in the bag
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Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 03:06:23 AM
I do too unfortunately. Need to pretend they are defending 250
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 03:11:02 AM
So Harris has a stress fracture in his left ankle. Not good for Aussies
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Post by: Johnny on December 28, 2010, 03:13:10 AM
very poor so far. Ponting looks tentative to me though
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 03:15:53 AM
He'll either get a career extending score here or sub 50
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 03:34:16 AM
So Harris has a stress fracture in his left ankle. Not good for Aussies
Massive shame for Harris, looks like his WC dreams are over. Gotta feel for him
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 03:37:15 AM
He's one of a few Aussie players I like, I think he always gives 100%, never gives up, is proud to play for Aus even in their current situation and he is a good bowler
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Jeet on December 28, 2010, 03:40:32 AM
He's one of a few Aussie players I like, I think he always gives 100%, never gives up, is proud to play for Aus even in their current situation and he is a good bowler
As much as I hate the IPL, it helped Harris get noticed and he has taken his chances for Oz very well. Hope he makes a quick recovery
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 03:41:23 AM
What makes me worry maybe i tired but were saying what a shambles Australia are in and whilst i agree there very poor were still not beating them yet in this series and to be honest bar a bloody good fight back in the first test were lucky it not 2-1 to them....

Maybe i'am tired
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Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 03:49:38 AM
You speak sense Dave, and I think what you say about Harris is bang on Joe, he seems a very honest and hard-working, determined guy, who is easily likeable. Averages state he's their best bowler too! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 04:01:10 AM
this is very poor cricket by England/ Strauss
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 04:03:15 AM
What is wrong with Strauss. 330 lead and 2 slips?! Knock the ball on his head, and he might arrive in the real world :S  >:( Get on with it boys.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 04:50:27 AM
kiss of death Matt Prior
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: langer17 on December 28, 2010, 05:12:53 AM
Hussey should go back to his Ice Gear.

Ice Gear - 195, 93, 52, 61, 116

Rogue Gear - 8, 0
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 28, 2010, 02:12:30 PM
Hussey should go back to his Ice Gear.

Ice Gear - 195, 93, 52, 61, 116

Rogue Gear - 8, 0

Its the man using the gear that makes the difference mate ! not the kit colours etc 
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Post by: Howzat on December 28, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
still a nice fact though
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Tumo on December 28, 2010, 02:17:32 PM
Its the man using the gear that makes the difference mate ! not the kit colours etc
Not strictly true. Superstition, psychology, both play a factor in it. If he's used the Ice gear and scored runs, he might not wanna change. It's all part of cricket, from Neil McKenzie strapping his bat to the bathroom roof to Trotty scraping at the pitch to mark his guard every ball.
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Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 02:21:38 PM
psychology is effected by such superstitions such as that but ultimately its the player using the kit that's scoring the runs.....idiosyncrasy's such as trott and his OCD scraping at the pitch and someone having scored sum runs in their now "lucky" jocky is a state of mind rather than actual proof!

im imagining kook have got him using the new gear to boost sales and raise the profile of the range.

the fact that England are on fire and hes not scoring runs isn't due to him now using the same bat with diff stickers on it :)

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Tumo on December 28, 2010, 02:25:03 PM
psychology is effected by such superstitions such as that but ultimately its the player using the kit that's scoring the runs.....idiosyncrasy's such as trott and his OCD scraping at the pitch and someone having scored sum runs in their now "lucky" jocky is a state of mind rather than actual proof!

im imagining kook have got him using the new gear to boost sales and raise the profile of the range.

the fact that England are on fire and hes not scoring runs isn't due to him now using the same bat with diff stickers on it :)
I don't mean it's solely down to that at all Tom! I'm just saying it plays a part in their mindset, if you go out with new kit that you've not used before thinking it'll lead to your downfall, it may well lead to your downfall!
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Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 02:27:09 PM
yeh mental state of mind! either way hes viewed as the key wicket to take in every Aus innings so happy hes on a dip in form :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Mr Cricket on December 28, 2010, 02:36:16 PM
hussey is the man who carries a set of scales around in his kit bag to ensure his bats weigh the same before each innings! he obviously places continuity in high regard and possibly a change of gear unsettled him, unlikely but surely worth a thought?

also, new pads and gloves are always stiff and take a bit of wearing in, surely not as comfortable as all his old ice gear.

none of this is a massive excuse, but maybe, just maybe, slightly valid?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 02:39:42 PM
I would have though he would have fluffers to make his kit less stiff
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Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 02:52:58 PM
isnt that an anti fluffer ??? lol de viagra
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: langer17 on December 28, 2010, 03:30:23 PM
Proof is there (to me anyway), Hussey didnt get below 50 with his Ice gear and now he changes gear and he gets no runs. It's not like the England bowlers havent been dominating Australia, except for some patches, so the only thing that has changed really, is his gear.

Also, going back to the last test of the 09 Ashes, did you that Hussey was the first batsmen to score 6 consecutive half-centuries in ashes tests. 121, 195, 93, 52, 61, 116
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Post by: pacman75cricket on December 28, 2010, 03:33:40 PM
May have an effect as top level sport a lot of it is mental
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 03:37:32 PM
It was poor cricket at the time, I can vouch for that one. They were allowing Punter and Watson to milk Swanny, and 2 slips for Tremlett, the best bowler at the time, unlucky not to get a wicket in this innings
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Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 03:44:08 PM
It was poor cricket at the time, I can vouch for that one. They were allowing Punter and Watson to milk Swanny, and 2 slips for Tremlett, the best bowler at the time, unlucky not to get a wicket in this innings

Not how I saw it, and Swann's figures don't really point to it either. Oh well.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
who caresabout bowling figures..... if we can rip out these last 4 wickets weve sealed the win and the urn is ours :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 04:01:20 PM
who cares about anything apart from the 4 or possibly 3 wickets and the urn is coming home
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 04:09:38 PM
who caresabout bowling figures..... if we can rip out these last 4 wickets weve sealed the win and the urn is ours :D

Quite, indeed it is looking likely we will only have to take 3 with the injury to Harris. There is no point him risking making the injury worse given the situation.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
not heard how bad his ankle is but id wanna at least get out there for prides sake if it was me rather than losing the ashes whilst in the hut
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 04:25:33 PM
not heard how bad his ankle is but id wanna at least get out there for prides sake if it was me rather than losing the ashes whilst in the hut

Word is a stress fracture on a bone in his foot which will require surgery. At his age there is no point delaying it as it will take a long time to heal.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on December 28, 2010, 04:37:38 PM
fair enough may let him off then if its broken....he can bow out and leave us 3 wickets for victory :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ryan on December 28, 2010, 10:57:58 PM
looks like its going to be game set and match tonight! stopping up all nice until its in the bag!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Ryan on December 28, 2010, 10:58:20 PM
stopping up all night not nice :D haha
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 11:30:20 PM
I think people are assuming England will rap it up today. It looks hopeful but not a given.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 11:31:02 PM
IT'S A GIVEN

Sing when there winning were all the convicts?????

poor poor supporters

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 11:32:17 PM
I think people are assuming England will rap it up today. It looks hopeful but not a given.

Yeh, call me a pessimist but I wasn't comfortable listening to the tms buildup, they were going on like the match finished last night.

Never rule the aussies out, never.

Edit: We gave them an absolute pasting in the 2nd match, got complacent and they came back hard in the 3rd. Lessons to be learnt.
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Post by: punter_legend on December 28, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
i think this will be wrapped and sealed before 12.30 our time :P

come on England ! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 11:33:51 PM
it over no matter what bar world war 3
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SeanTuohey on December 28, 2010, 11:36:13 PM
lets not forget johnson has hit a test ton so...

im sure we will wrap it up today but johnson can bat, and haddin is a decent bat too.

camarn!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 28, 2010, 11:36:56 PM
they will have to both bat for 180 overs

there you go

johnson
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 28, 2010, 11:37:19 PM
I take a small amount of it back.
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Post by: Colesy on December 28, 2010, 11:37:23 PM
:D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 28, 2010, 11:37:50 PM
what a delivery !!!!

its ours in 30 mins lads !! comon :P
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 28, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Only about 5 more overs in this one I feel, should be done before Midnight! :)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SeanTuohey on December 28, 2010, 11:38:42 PM
they will have to both bat for 180 overs

there you go

johnson

ino that mate,

nice bit of bat pad by johnson there... didnt even have to play at the ball haha
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Post by: SeanTuohey on December 28, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
top bowling by tremlett
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 29, 2010, 12:11:14 AM
The awkward moment when peter siddle scores more runs that Paul collingwood in an ashes series...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:12:30 AM
Is haddin using the 2011 ccx gloves? Can anyone enlighten me?
Johan
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: mars on December 29, 2010, 12:15:14 AM
Looks like Warnie's teaching Monty! Still spins it a yard.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: yvk3103 on December 29, 2010, 12:15:32 AM
Haddin is playing some amazing shots/drives. Good example for the failed top order bats to see and learn.

Would Haddin get a 100?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: SeanTuohey on December 29, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Haddin is playing some amazing shots/drives. Good example for the failed top order bats to see and learn.

Would Haddin get a 100?

he is playing some very nice strokes isnt he yash, liked the one off anderson down the ground
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:18:25 AM
Looks like Warnie's teaching Monty! Still spins it a yard.
Ridiculous. In a suit too. Good to see he's helping monty! Though the point they made about him on commentary: '1st test 35 times', though harsh, is valid imo.
Haddin is playing some amazing shots/drives. Good example for the failed top order bats to see and learn.
Would Haddin get a 100?
Haddin should get a ton if Siddle and Hilfenhaus hang around. I think they should play him as a specialist top order batsman in the future, with Tim Paine as the Kepper. Might improve Haddin's game, as it did Kumar Sangakkara's!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: yvk3103 on December 29, 2010, 12:18:25 AM
Looks like Warnie's teaching Monty! Still spins it a yard.

He sure does. Still could give most intl teams/batsmen a scare.

Apparently, Warnie has been keeping his fingres in shape playing porker (spinning the chip between his fingures).....
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: yvk3103 on December 29, 2010, 12:19:40 AM
he is playing some very nice strokes isnt he yash, liked the one off anderson down the ground

That was a gorgeous shot. Would rate it better than KP's (almost) rules straight off-drive.

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: mars on December 29, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
He sure does. Still could give most intl teams/batsmen a scare.

Apparently, Warnie has been keeping his fingres in shape playing porker (spinning the chip between his fingures).....

Cashing in the money too, 888 poker advert pops up time to time.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
Haddin is playing some amazing shots/drives. Good example for the failed top order bats to see and learn.

Would Haddin get a 100?

Maybe playing for his test match future here ? this innings could be incredibly important  :)

 
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: yvk3103 on December 29, 2010, 12:24:40 AM
What a shot for 6. Effortless. Made it look so easy on this big-big ground
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:25:50 AM
Yeah cracking shot for 6 there, I think he's looking in great touch, proving to the other Ausie batsmen that this pitch is a good one! :)
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Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:27:31 AM
Maybe playing for his test match future here ? this innings could be incredibly important  :)
No way they'll drop Haddin, he's been one of the few bright points and there's no obvious replacement.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: mars on December 29, 2010, 12:29:05 AM
New Ball should wrap it up...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
No way they'll drop Haddin, he's been one of the few bright points and there's no obvious replacement.

Tim Paine , maybe Australian cricket board will finally wake up and realise that they have to get the young and upcoming players in there ?

better to get Paine in there from a young age and have a good 10 years as keep rather then keeping with the old man ?

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:34:43 AM
agreed Punter
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:38:03 AM
I never knew Haddin was 33 until yesterday...I think Paine should come in, I hear he's a better keeper. Keep Haddin in as a specialist batsman, possibly Hussey as captain and opening with Watson, with Khawaja 3 and Clarke 4, Haddin 5 and Cameron White 6, with Paine at 7. I think wholesale change is needed if I'm being honest with you...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:39:47 AM
I don't think panicing and throwing in a whole team of youngsters is the solution.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:40:58 AM
maybe start Paine and the guy who was called up on standby for pointing in the next test ?

that's what i would personally do first up !
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:43:23 AM
I think they probably want to get a couple in (if they have shown the potential), but I'd be worries (if I was an aussies anyway) if there were more than 2-3 changes.

The main concern is who'll be skipper when Ponting chucks it, as I presume he will.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:43:39 AM
bring in Chris Lynn for me can bat at 3 to 6 get rid of Steven Smith

Swap Hillfenhaus for A SPINNER
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:43:48 AM
I don't think panicing and throwing in a whole team of youngsters is the solution.
Lots of people have suggested that certain individuals in that team are past it. I think this is a long-term solution that will pay off in time, take the example of Surrey over here. Which other country had a 22yo Captain...?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:45:26 AM
also , i know he is 27 , but what about recalling Jason krejza ?  he had a goof start to his test career taking a fiver in India wasn't it ?

where did he disappear to wasn't that pointing hates him or anything is it ? well i think he is a better spinner than Steve smith in all honesty !
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:47:01 AM
Lots of people have suggested that certain individuals in that team are past it. I think this is a long-term solution that will pay off in time, take the example of Surrey over here. Which other country had a 22yo Captain...?
Possibly, but you have to balance that off against the young guys having no old heads to learn from and the damage that can be done in taking a few years of kickings till any of them are good enough.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:47:22 AM
George bailey to come in for pointing i think

has captaincy experience and has proved himself a good number 3 batsman for Tasmania  , bot saying he should be captain but definitely next no 3 batsman

 
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:47:38 AM
LOL siddle got a bit giddy!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:47:56 AM
Surrey are a joke bit like Man City of the footballing world


what a bout Lynn Punter
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: peplow on December 29, 2010, 12:48:35 AM
get in... nearly time to sleep ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:48:41 AM
also , i know he is 27 , but what about recalling Jason krejza ?  he had a goof start to his test career taking a fiver in India wasn't it ?

where did he disappear to wasn't that pointing hates him or anything is it ? well i think he is a better spinner than Steve smith in all honesty !
He just wasn't much good, Hauritz is the only spinner I've seen who's good enough to do a job in test cricket.

Bailey has pro'd for the Saltires the last few years and looks a top player.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:49:09 AM
start the car bumble
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Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:49:21 AM
Possibly, but you have to balance that off against the young guys having no old heads to learn from and the damage that can be done in taking a few years of kickings till any of them are good enough.
Oi Dave, easy on Surrey :( They're my fave county. I wasn't sugegsting wholesale reform, as some players left would be quite experienced: Watson, Hussey, Haddin and Clarke...
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:50:21 AM
Chris Lynn
Neil Maddinson

there the future i think

No Surrey are everything wrong in cricket there a joke
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:51:26 AM
Admittedly theyre shocking in The LVCC. They're pretty good in Limited Overs Stuff, none of you saw the match versus Glamorgan (386-3 off 38 overs..)?
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Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:51:59 AM
procricket ,

we cant really take the piss of man city mate ? there sitting joint top of the league ?

am a united fan myself bud they played awesome today !
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Post by: peplow on December 29, 2010, 12:52:19 AM
yeah but you cant live off one performance...
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Post by: Kulli on December 29, 2010, 12:53:01 AM
Oi Dave, easy on Surrey :( They're my fave county. I wasn't sugegsting wholesale reform, as some players left would be quite experienced: Watson, Hussey, Haddin and Clarke...
Punter_Legend had mentioned the idea of booting Haddin though, which I think would be going to far.

I imagine the make up of their side for Sydney will depend if Punter resigns or is sacked.
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Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:53:07 AM
totally agree peplow , hard for me to say as there rivals but they will probably be up there by end of season as much as i hate them !
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:53:31 AM
should do with all the money they spend just a joke club  Surrey and City

The pleague of sports

Man City are just Money
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Post by: Colesy on December 29, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
YES
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Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:53:51 AM
GET INNNNN!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:54:24 AM
i can sleep again
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:54:38 AM
its ours muhahahaha

get it up ya Aussies good luck next time

lets start the car !!!!
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Post by: will5210 on December 29, 2010, 12:55:24 AM
Job done. Series win next please
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Post by: peplow on December 29, 2010, 12:55:53 AM
wooo...sleep time.. get in lads, well chuffed and proud to be a pomme!

aussies, chins up :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Punter do not get me started on football i am more passionate about that than cricket
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Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 12:56:59 AM
Punter do not get me started on football i am more passionate about that than cricket

lets enjoy this moment now mate :P , long time and waiting !!!
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Post by: yvk3103 on December 29, 2010, 12:57:35 AM
All over guys. A thumpping win.

Will DFS run a promotion of 70% off on sofas? Mine has caved-in a bit watching the ashes :)))
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
yes last time was my true hero

Chris Broad with his DF Magnum supreme
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Post by: peplow on December 29, 2010, 12:58:11 AM
DFS always have a promotion.. ;)
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Post by: jonpinson on December 29, 2010, 12:58:27 AM
Oh yes
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Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 12:59:15 AM
wooo...sleep time.. get in lads, well chuffed and proud to be a pomme!

aussies, chins up :D
Sam, you now have an answer if they decide to sledge you over any Physical Features ;)
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 29, 2010, 01:00:28 AM
I'm now waiting for Ponting's resignation. Either that or his assassination
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Post by: peplow on December 29, 2010, 01:01:48 AM
Sam, you now have an answer if they decide to sledge you over any Physical Features ;)

well in all honesty i am not that small, not like " holy crap he is small haha" its only tom (the hugely tall) milsom who picks on me as he has found someone shorter than himself ;).. i am pretty much 5ft 9 :D which i am sure isnt the smallest on here!!
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Post by: punter_legend on December 29, 2010, 01:02:32 AM
Who thinks he will resign before the next test , after the final test , or will he not resign ?

what's your thoughts ?
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Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 01:03:12 AM
i am smaller sam but i have special moves for sledgers
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 29, 2010, 01:14:11 AM
(http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/deadrubber/files/2010/11/ponting12.gif)

We'll present them to ourselves then
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Post by: hell4leather cricket on December 29, 2010, 01:16:42 AM
rolf harris in for sydney?
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 29, 2010, 01:17:42 AM
Kylie Minogue.
Mmmmmmm
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: jonpinson on December 29, 2010, 01:18:29 AM
rolf harris in for sydney?

How about a celebratory/you may have had a drink bat offer?
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Post by: Johng on December 29, 2010, 02:26:36 AM
Well done England!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johan95 on December 29, 2010, 02:34:31 AM
well in all honesty i am not that small, not like " holy crap he is small haha" its only tom (the hugely tall) milsom who picks on me as he has found someone shorter than himself ;).. i am pretty much 5ft 9 :D which i am sure isnt the smallest on here!!
Lol I know, it's no biggie, everyone's started to pick on you; its 'in'! :P My dad's 5 8and a bit, so you're not the only small person I know of don't worry, and I doub't you're the smallest person on here lol :D
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Tumo on December 29, 2010, 07:51:41 AM
He just wasn't much good, Hauritz is the only spinner I've seen who's good enough to do a job in test cricket.

Bailey has pro'd for the Saltires the last few years and looks a top player.
Nah, Krezja was a very talented bowler, had the ability to bowl unplayable deliveries and spin it big, he just bowled it too full or too short at times, that was his downfall, lack of consistency and accuracy.
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Post by: 400notout on December 29, 2010, 09:51:05 AM
Ponting will walk on his own terms, dont think you'll see him resign as captain until there is someone ready for it. He will have to fight the media though, half of Australia will want his head on a plate! The other half don't follow cricket..
He will make a hundred at Sydney and retire, bow out on a high!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Canners on December 29, 2010, 10:00:05 AM

according to the papers he wants one last trip to England even if its just as a player and not as skipper, so i dont think we've seen the back of Ponting.... just yet
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Post by: jonpinson on December 29, 2010, 10:10:15 AM
according to the papers he wants one last trip to England even if its just as a player and not as skipper, so i dont think we've seen the back of Ponting.... just yet

That can be arranged. My club would love to have him at 3 next season.
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Colesy on December 29, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1396.snc4/164800_475385736646_709951646_6210591_1286785_n.jpg)

Awesome
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Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 01:02:53 PM
After watching Ponting yesterday i was tinged with sadness watching him talking i have always held him and Australia as the pinnicle and to see them beaten without a real whimper saddens me.

All the great series we have had 05,09 this has just been a real one sided affair and in truth England have played well but how poor have Australia been.

I Know you can only beat what is in front of you but i think sometimes the journey is better than the destination...

Punter is a arrogant tool at time but he is also the most humbilest at times i wish him and Australia well in the future because in my mind a good Australia is better for cricket

After all this time i remember Chris Broad's ton after ton and i remember getting bashed so many times by them i just feel a little empty like the ghost has gone a bit like the death of the Windies...

Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: Canners on December 29, 2010, 01:04:53 PM
That can be arranged. My club would love to have him at 3 next season.

and steal your spot........

surely that would make you dislike him even more ;)
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Post by: jonpinson on December 29, 2010, 01:39:49 PM
Procricket: VERY well said.

Canners: He has had his moments, but they prove nothing except how much he cares about the job he does. I have immense respect for Ponting, I was really quite saddened last night during the interviews. To say I feel sorry for him is wrong, but I felt a certain sympathy for the man.
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Post by: SeanTuohey on December 29, 2010, 01:42:46 PM
([url]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1396.snc4/164800_475385736646_709951646_6210591_1286785_n.jpg[/url])

Awesome


the sprinkler, love it ;)
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Post by: Ryan on December 29, 2010, 01:44:11 PM
Haha classic gotta love the sprinkler!!
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Post by: SeanTuohey on December 29, 2010, 01:45:25 PM
aint it just mate, its legendary, just like swanny  8)
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Post by: Damo1583 on December 29, 2010, 03:08:14 PM
From a Sri Lankan Cricket fan, well done England........Massive respect to someone who doesnt get the credit he deserves Andy Flower!!! took on a team in disaray and turned them into the most proffesional outfit on the circuit!!!
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: johnnyw on December 29, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
Andy Flower is the best coach in the world by miles.

For Sydney I think we could see Anderson rested and Finn brought back in.

Dont think Aus will make too many changes. Will probably bring Beer in for Harris
Title: Re: Ashes 4th Test MCG
Post by: procricket on December 29, 2010, 03:39:23 PM
Anderson will not be rested he is our fulcrum