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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: Felix Tito on November 02, 2016, 02:44:33 PM
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So the first Test starts in the early hours of tomorrow in Perth. Peter Siddle has been recalled for the Australian after Jackson Bird was axed because his batting is too poor :o
For South Africa there's no AB de Villiers and Faf du Plessis will retain the captaincy. For South Africa the final bowling is between the returning Morne Morkel or debutant spinner Keshav Maharaj.
Australia 1 David Warner, 2 Shaun Marsh, 3 Usman Khawaja, 4 Steven Smith (capt), 5 Adam Voges, 6 Mitchell Marsh, 7 Peter Nevill (wk), 8 Mitchell Starc, 9 Peter Siddle, 10 Josh Hazlewood, 11 Nathan Lyon.
South Africa (possible) 1 Stephen Cook, 2 Dean Elgar, 3 Hashim Amla, 4 Faf du Plessis (capt), 5 Temba Bavuma, 6 JP Duminy, 7 Quinton de Kock (wk), 8 Vernon Philander, 9 Dale Steyn, 10 Kagiso Rabada, 11 Keshav Maharaj/Morne Morkel.
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I just want Steyn to destroy them
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It's a load of s**t that BT aren't showing the full test over in the UK but rather only having a hour highlights show. If it was on Sky the whole thing would have been shown, every session, every ball.
As you can tell I'm mega peeved about this especially when I have to pay extra for BT (which I'm not going to do)
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BT are showing ball by ball coverage. Starts at 2am
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It's a load of s**t that BT aren't showing the full test over in the UK but rather only having a hour highlights show. If it was on Sky the whole thing would have been shown, every session, every ball.
As you can tell I'm mega peeved about this especially when I have to pay extra for BT (which I'm not going to do)
BT have paid £80m for all of Australia's cricket to be televised live, they've even paid Ricky Ponting enough to live here in the UK to do coverage...
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i'm not sure we want Ricky Ponting to be living here do we?
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BT have paid £80m for all of Australia's cricket to be televised live, they've even paid Ricky Ponting enough to live here in the UK to do coverage...
My bad, I didn't know there was such a thing as BT Sport 3! I only thought they had the 2 channels plus BT ESPN.
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My bad, I didn't know there was such a thing as BT Sport 3! I only thought they had the 2 channels plus BT ESPN.
Back in your box Liam lad ;) :D
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i'm not sure we want Ricky Ponting to be living here do we?
I thought his punditry during the Ashes series was exceptional, so it's fine by me.
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Back in your box Liam lad ;) :D
Urgh I'm just so pi**ed off with Mr Murdock paying over the odds for stupid EPL games and now other sports are suffering because of the money spent. I wish there was just a cricket specific channel or couple of channels that showed every type of cricket from all over the world. I'm gonna have to find a way of watching it through other methods if you know what I mean haha
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Should be an interesting series given the sledging during the odi's.
Clarke and haddin have also said to cut the sledging out - the irony coming from those 2 blokes. Rod Marsh and Lehmann having a go at khawaja, nice way to go.
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Clarke and haddin have also said to cut the sledging out - the irony coming from those 2 blokes. Rod Marsh and Lehmann having a go at khawaja, nice way to go.
:D :D :D
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Got him! Yes, P%ss off, you're out...Cook Quack Quack B Stark Caught M Marsh
Sorry channelling my inner 12th Man.
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I'd love to watch Faf and Bevuma; unfortunately, I have to make do with cricinfo ticker.
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Kp in the com box for channel 9. Good addition - needed a SA view
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Shades of Gilchrist in de Kock
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I'd love to watch Faf and Bevuma; unfortunately, I have to make do with cricinfo ticker.
BT Sport Cricket on Twitter have some session highlights if that'll help..?
https://twitter.com/btsportcricket
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Steyn is so great to watch, SMarsh has no idea what to do
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OMG IS PHILANDER SERIOUS?
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OMG IS PHILANDER SERIOUS?
Cant afford to give mr warner a chance. Philander always over steps
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Warner has come out with a new stick he's gone with a normal length handle & a lighter blade his slashing bat speed coupled with the bounce equals quick runs marsh has gone with old faithful batting like his future depends on it
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Fly slip wouldn't be a bad shout here, really knocking in those edges
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Warner's trying to get past SA before stumps here!
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Well..... That was entertaining
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For reference, if any of you in the UK have your phone with EE, you can get 6 months of BT Sport for free. - http://ee.co.uk/why-ee/bt-sport (http://ee.co.uk/why-ee/bt-sport)
I signed up this morning, and watched some of it before work. Not great watching it on your phone, but you can have it on 2 devices, so I will be watching the Big Bash & these tests on my iPad.
Definitely a viable solution for those not wanting to get BT Sport.
Not much use if you're on O2 or Vodafone, mind.......
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For reference, if any of you in the UK have your phone with EE, you can get 6 months of BT Sport for free. - [url]http://ee.co.uk/why-ee/bt-sport[/url] ([url]http://ee.co.uk/why-ee/bt-sport[/url])
I signed up this morning, and watched some of it before work. Not great watching it on your phone, but you can have it on 2 devices, so I will be watching the Big Bash & these tests on my iPad.
Definitely a viable solution for those not wanting to get BT Sport.
Not much use if you're on O2 or Vodafone, mind.......
Fairly sure with BT Sport you can connect your phone to the TV and play it on the TV through your phone.
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crictime website offers mobile streaming
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Kp in the com box for channel 9. Good addition - needed a SA view
So now he is SA? :(
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For some he has always been SA
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So now he is SA? :(
He will be SA qualified soon
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Pretty poor day for South Africa but if they can dislodge Warner early tomorrow they'll be into Khawaja who's playing for his place. Voges, Mitchell Marsh and Nevill all under pressure after terrible returns in Sri Lanka. If Warner and Smith get together it could be carnage
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Steyn was fairly rapid up at 150kph haven't seen that in a while
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Good set of highlights on their YouTube channel now too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1pQ_0niQok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1pQ_0niQok)
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Looks like the end is near on Steyn's superb career. Re injured the right shoulder which he broke last year.
No AB, no Steyn = no party.
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South Africa still giving it a good go. 158-0 to 168-3. Steyn got Warner 97. Rabada made Khawaja look like a clown 4 and Maharaj gets Smith for a duck.
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Mark Nicholas: "Dave Warner has never been out in the nineties..."
Gone next ball! Really enjoyed that bit of commentary.
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181-4 Shaun Marsh 63 falls on the stroke of lunch to Philander. 23-4 the hour up until lunch.
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Mark Nicholas: "Dave Warner has never been out in the nineties..."
Gone next ball! Really enjoyed that bit of commentary.
LOL
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Mitchell Marsh flops Again. Gone for a duck to philander. 181-5. Carnage at the WACA
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They should distort Michael Clarke's voice before broadcasting
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202-6 Voges 26 C&B Rabada. Incredible fight back. Meek batting. Test match is fast forward
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203-7 Starc 1 second victim for the impressive debutant Maharaj.
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They should distort Michael Clarke's voice before broadcasting
How about mute? I can't believe how bad it is.
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232-8 Nevill 23 another for Maharaj. This match is looking very similar to the last match these sides played at Perth
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243-9 Hazlewood 5 gone to Philander. Australia in credit by 1
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Aleem dar without doubt the worst umpire the icc has , get him some glasses
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All over red rover. 244 all out. Lyon duck. 4fer Philander. Australia lead by 2 runs. 158-0 to 244 all out after losing the best bowler in the world. Stunning turnaround
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http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/573009.html (http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/573009.html)
Can South Africa do this again?
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Maybe Lehman was on to something dropping Bird.
Siddle 5th best score in the team followed by "No Balls" in 6th.
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My mind is still staggered the Channel 9 team are actually paid to talk about cricket.
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South Africa 72-2 both Cook and Amla failing in the second innings. South Africa probably need to set 350 to have a chance with a 3 man attack
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Last time Amla scored such a low total in a test match was against India in 2006 at Durban
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Dale Steyn ruled out of the rest of the series with a fractured shoulder. Twice within a year the same injury.
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104-2 at stumps on day 2. South Africa's day after coming back from the brink and losing their star bowler. Elgar and Duminy looking solid.
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Dale Steyn ruled out of the rest of the series with a fractured shoulder. Twice within a year the same injury.
Such a shame! Think this could be the last times he's seen on the international scene.
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Steyn will be a massive blow. Maybe he needs to cut down on the celebrations ;).
Great reverse swing bowling from philander. SA have done well getting back into this.
Don't know about others but BT sports coverage has been pretty good. Unlike sky who have pretty much cut foreign matches down to the basics
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Completely agree @csnew, big fan of the BT Coverage. Also being able to pretty much rewatch an entire session or pick your highlights on the app makes catching up a lot easier.
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Completely agree @csnew, big fan of the BT Coverage. Also being able to pretty much rewatch an entire session or pick your highlights on the app makes catching up a lot easier.
Are BT's presenters based in the UK or Aus when doing the coverage?
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Presenters are in the UK. Coverage is the Channel 9 commentary team in Oz..
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I'd take an educated guess at it being in the U.K, the studio looks similar to there standard sports one
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It's over in Stratford
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It's over in Stratford
So they've flown Ponting in to sit in Stratford? he must be getting some wedge for that!
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Such a shame! Think this could be the last times he's seen on the international scene.
I'm not sure Steyn's done just yet. He was bowling rapidly in this match, up at 93mph. He just needs to get over this shoulder issue. 6 months it's being reported as, so in theory he should make the tour to England. But South Africa need to get an all rounder in to ease the burden on Steyn/Philander/Morkel all who have been injured at various points over the last 12-18 months.
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There is a young off spinner called Kevin who is on the verge of qualifying, he could take some of the burden, bats a bit too.
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I don't believe we at Hogwarts are allowed to mention his name!
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I think the SA bowlers are being under estimated. They took 9/80 or thereabouts without Steyn who bowled extremely poorly on the first day. They have enough part timers in this team to take the slack at an end.
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I think the SA bowlers are being under estimated. They took 9/80 or thereabouts without Steyn who bowled extremely poorly on the first day. They have enough part timers in this team to take the slack at an end.
Steyn might've bowled poorly, but he was bowling quickly.
I can't see Australia have to many fears against Elgar, Duminy and du Plessis if they send down some of their very limited spin bowling...
South Africa basically are left with 2 fast bowlers and 4 spinners, ideal if they where playing in the subcontinent, less so in Australia
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And yet they still took 9/80
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A great contest the Australian middle order has once again failed , well bowled south Africa , whatever the outcome from here the selection panel will have tp prepare for change
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Currently South Africa 281-2. Elgar 104* and Duminy 139*. Partnership of 240 unbroken
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I wouldn't have put money on either Elgar or duminy getting 100s but both have. SA'a day so far, lead building up nicely and only 2 down
Aussie bowlers definitely under cooked
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295-3 Duminy out for 141. Siddle with the wicket. Duminy's innings since his 166 many moons ago. Lead is 293.
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I wouldn't have put money on either Elgar or duminy getting 100s but both have. SA'a day so far, lead building up nicely and only 2 down
Aussie bowlers definitely under cooked
Starc is labouring, speed gun says he bowling quickly but he's lacking that venom. They are missing Pattinson he offers a little X factor.
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Super innings by Duminy, he has a lovely flourish to his shots when hes in form
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Elgar goes...lead 320+ already. Aussie commentators sounding a bit desperate and clutching on straws
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South Africa 371-6 with a lead of 369. Gotta be deflating see QdK rock up at 7 averaging 51 when your getting ground down. 450 is probably what du Plessis would be satisfied with
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Likely to be all out for 420 odd.
Going to be a great day tomorrow
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SA should just bat till the end. Whatever they get will be less with only 3 bowlers (including 1 rookie spinner) and 2 days to go, hard to defend on pitch like this.
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They're a bowler light but I'm not sure why the Saffers haven't bothered declaring
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Ah, and there you have it
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Wow! Proteas!
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Smith nicks off! Good bowling from rabada
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Great reverse swing bowling from rabada. Getting it to go both ways and voges was clueless
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Bavumas run out though...
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Big win for South Africa being one bowling down and having to use cook/bavuma.
The Aussies look a little in trouble. What have they got to turn it around?
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South Africa claimed perhaps their most famous victories by winning the first Test by 177 runs. Australia battled hard scoring 361 in their second innings. Khawaja 97 and Nevill 60*. The undoubted star was Kagiso Rabada with 5-92, this chap is a superstar in the making. South Africa snapped Australia's 18 match unbeaten run at home. The last home defeat was in 2012, also at the WACA and also to South Africa. For Australia it will a very bitter loss. Dominated the fist 4 sessions only for the wheels to totally fall off. Bearing in mind South Africa sans de Villiers, lost Steyn and their star batsman Amla only scored 1 and yet South Africa won by a massive 177 runs. Maharaj was probably the unsung hero for South Africa bowling 40 overs in the second innings going at only 2 rpo, comfortably out bowled Lyon, who posed no threat at all. Wouldn't be surprised if du Plessis got influenced to play the SLA after years of playing with Dhoni and Jadeja...
Australia have called up Joe Burns and Callum Ferguson t for the second Test, Shaun Marsh out with broken finger. South Africa have called up Dwaine Pretorius to replace Dale Steyn.
Big questions for Australia heading to Hobart, team configuration and what kind of surface will they want. If it's a green seamer I can't see Australia having chance against this South African seam attack. Australia have issues with bowling as well, Starc is a shoe in, but Hazlewood, Siddle and Marsh aren't much threat bowling gentle medium pace...
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Big win for South Africa being one bowling down and having to use cook/bavuma.
The Aussies look a little in trouble. What have they got to turn it around?
well.....first up well done SA, winning without their premier bowler.....
before this match there was some nonsense spouted from the Aussies that one of their better bowlers was dropped because he didn't get enough runs.
this is total folly when picking a club side let alone an international team. Your bowlers will win test matches, it's been proved time and again thru history. pick the best batsmen available to Australia and the best bowlers. If you don't have quality all rounders to call on this is the only way to win matches.
The best Australian teams ive watched have had the best bowlers, it's time someone shook up the thinking surrounding the team. Lehman and the selectors are accountable and they need to start being accountable for their decisions
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The best Australian teams ive watched have had the best bowlers, it's time someone shook up the thinking surrounding the team. Lehman and the selectors are accountable and they need to start being accountable for their decisions
Am i right in saying the skipper is still not involved in selection?
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Marsh out injured with a broken finger - probably a shame for South Africa. How many injuries has he had??
Aussies call up Ferguson and burns. Not sure Ferguson has done anything to get a call up?
Surprised Lyon keeps his place, was pretty poor in sri lanka and again this test match - good bloke selection policy
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Can we start to call Smith a poor captain? I always had a hunch but I really don't think he's the right man to take them forward.
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I fail to see how that loss was Smith's fault
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How many matches did he skip in the winter so he could prepare for this series again?
He's unimaginative, he whinges and doesn't seem very tactically astute. From where I'm sitting he was given it solely on his batting. Clarke may have not been the best for team unity, but tactically the guy had his head screwed on. The only thing I'll say to defend Smith is that he's got an incredibly inconsistent bowling attack.
I think since Warner's got himself together he's far better suited for the job.
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im not sure there are many natural skippers in the Aussie squad at the moment. That does come with a change in players from match to match and looks like a couple of changes for the next match
The Australians have lost some real quality in a fairly short space of time which of course is what every team tries to avoid happening.
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Can we start to call Smith a poor captain? I always had a hunch but I really don't think he's the right man to take them forward.
Nothing Smith can do if the like of Voges, M Marsh and Nevill(made decent effort in the second innings) can't consistently score runs.
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Ashton Agar took career best figures for Western Australia 10fer, Steve O'Keefe also took 8 wickets in that match and Jon Holland also took 8 wickets for Victoria. Yet Lyon still gets a free pass...
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Lyon has those other rollers on toast.
Holland was an embarrassment in SL and barely plays FC cricket, O'Keefe turns it less than Liam Dawson and Ashton Aqar is a vanity project.
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Lyon has those other rollers on toast.
Holland was an embarrassment in SL and barely plays FC cricket, O'Keefe turns it less than Liam Dawson and Ashton Aqar is a vanity project.
Maharaj showed the benefit of having a very accurate SLA spinner. Maharaj wasn't exactly jagging it square. O'Keefe's probably near enough the same style bowler.
The majority of Lyon's victims where softened up by Johnson/Harris and got out to Lyon by slogging against him. There's no threat from Lyon when the rest of the attack isn't firing.
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213 Test wickets
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To be fair to Lyon he's done pretty well at home. His record at home is probably better than on the subcontinent. As I said before he's only being picked as a good bloke selection.
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213 Test wickets
Ishant Sharma has a similar amount doesn't make him good either...
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To be fair to Lyon he's done pretty well at home. His record at home is probably better than on the subcontinent. As I said before he's only being picked as a good bloke selection.
Done well at home as Johnson was firing down bumpers at 95mph so the little lobber comes on and pitches up a few cheap wickets
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Ishant Sharma has a similar amount doesn't make him good either...
Lyon was something like 13th spinner after Shane Warne and has certainly held his own. To make it as an offspinner in Australia takes some talent. He certainly deserves respect for his record and is one of the leading Test spinners in the world. He has comfortably out bowled O'Keefe in the subcontinent and in the UAE. He's also bowled well in his home and away Ashes series. An average of 33 isn't great, but an economy of 3 is good in the modern game and his strike rate of 60 odd is much better than average. He's got ticker too.
I suspect that England would take him in a second.
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Let's be honest
Lyon would walk into the England side
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Let's be honest
Lyon would walk into the England side
To be fair, I bowl spin.
If I was 6 stone lighter and born in Yorkshire I'd walk into the England team! ;)
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Lyon was something like 13th spinner after Shane Warne and has certainly held his own. To make it as an offspinner in Australia takes some talent. He certainly deserves respect for his record and is one of the leading Test spinners in the world. He has comfortably out bowled O'Keefe in the subcontinent and in the UAE. He's also bowled well in his home and away Ashes series. An average of 33 isn't great, but an economy of 3 is good in the modern game and his strike rate of 60 odd is much better than average. He's got ticker too.
I suspect that England would take him in a second.
I dunno if you're trying to mug me off or just being awkward but I took the opportunity to just up the stats for Lyon vs O'Keefe in the UAE(sad I know :()
Lyon 3 wickets at 140 a piece
O'Keefe 4 wickets at 54 a piece
So in fact O'Keefe was nearly three times better than Lyon in terms of average.
Lyon is average
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He's no world beater, but he's better than average.
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To be fair, I bowl spin.
If I was 6 stone lighter and born in Yorkshire I'd walk into the England team! ;)
aye lad
that's a threp in't steans
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Faf's captaincy (with "delayed" declaration) was good. Not sure about the dressing room and pep talks there but his on-field body language is terrific! SA might have the candidate they have been looking for to fill the Test captaincy slot.
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Excellent result for our team and really pleased with the contribution made by a number of players. Rabada really finding his feet and it would be excellent if he can continue to benefit from experienced trio of Morkel, Steyn and Philander. Debutant Maharaj played his part as did the middle order batters. As mentioned previously, the performance made even more special taking into account the absence of AB, Dale and no runs from our machine Amla.
Really hope this continues for the rest of the series.
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So Australia's ploy of selecting half cooked bowlers has come to bite them in the rear as Peter Siddle has a back injury and has been ruled out. Joe Meanie gets a debut. Kyle Abbott confirmed as Steyn's replacement
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Second Test starts at 11pm UK time. Hobart is the venue, weather forecast is a tad indifferent for the first two days. South Africa have never played a Test in Hobart before.
Australia (possible) 1 David Warner, 2 Joe Burns, 3 Usman Khawaja, 4 Steven Smith (capt), 5 Adam Voges, 6 Mitchell Marsh/Callum Ferguson, 7 Peter Nevill (wk), 8 Mitchell Starc, 9 Joe Mennie, 10 Josh Hazlewood, 11 Nathan Lyon
Burns recalled and Mennie gets a debut. Depending on conditions the hapless Mitchell Marsh might get axed for another debutante Callum Ferguson.
South Africa (possible) 1 Stephen Cook, 2 Dean Elgar, 3 Hashim Amla, 4 JP Duminy, 5 Faf du Plessis (capt), 6 Temba Bavuma, 7 Quinton de Kock (wk), 8 Vernon Philander, 9 Kyle Abbott, 10 Kagiso Rabada, 11 Keshav Maharaj/Morne Morkel.
Stephen Cook, probably playing for his career, has seen off Rilee Roussow for a lityle while longer. Kyle Abbott will replaced Dale Steyn and conditions pending veteran fast man Morne Morkel could form a 4 man pace attack in place of SLA Keshav Maharaj.
Fair to say South Africa are overwhelming favourites to seal the series.
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Thanks Gerry, and now back to the studio...
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What website do you copy and paste the reports from A in E ??
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What website do you copy and paste the reports from A in E ??
The squads are copied from an article. The rest is my own...
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First Test since AB and Steyn debuted back in 2004 that neither will be part of the playing XI.
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What website do you copy and paste the reports from A in E ??
Trumps media team?
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lol Davey
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Lol Joe ;)
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Plummy McPlumberson
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Wow, I know it's green, but are Aus really this fragile?
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Wow, I know it's green, but are Aus really this fragile?
Yes
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Plummy McPlumberson
Umpires call.. certainly not plumb... just nicking leg peg
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Might be over by tea
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Always enjoyable seeing Australia struggle against swing.
SA review while Philander is on the floor after being smashed by Steve Smith, third umpire audibly over the pictures of Philander says 'right, get off this (No Swearing Please)' 😂😂
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Really enjoyed the reaction of fergusons brother
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Ball has hardly hooped round corners. Ball swung slightly but nothing by English standards. Few seamed a fair bit but it's hardly unplayable. Good batting track by English standards.
Smith taking out Philander has helped Australia ;)
Tubby Taylor lecturing South Africa on commentary about aggressive appealing, pot kettle black lol
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59/7?! What the hell happened ? Are Australians in a hurry to catch some tv show's finale?
Faf must be grinning like a cheshire cat!
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What a bowling performance by the Proteas. The fielding really backed the bowlers up.
Did Smith do enough to protect the tail when batting with them?
Hoping South Africa can knuckle down and get some runs on the board.
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Faf heading off for an early shower. Pleasant sight.
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Whats funny is australia change their team more than england football team do
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https://m.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/5cj02l/australia_all_out_for_85_fall_of_wickets_hd_not/?utm_source=ifttt&compact=true
Here are the wickets
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Spoilt only by the commentary of Mark Nicholas! I could break the screen every time i hear him say ripper
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Look at the positive, least they didn't get knocked over for 60 like at Trent bridge. Bit of movement and the Aussie batsmen looked all at sea. This should be over within 3 days.
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Spoilt only by the commentary of Mark Nicholas! I could break the screen every time i hear him say ripper
Mark Nicholas trying to be Australian, because they are the only people who will pay him to commentate live.
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yet he's still better than Mike Atherton.
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yet he's still better than Mike Atherton.
Not from what I have seen. Atherton does at least provide some insight.
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https://m.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/5cj02l/australia_all_out_for_85_fall_of_wickets_hd_not/?utm_source=ifttt&compact=true
Here are the wickets
Some of the best catching I've seen in a long time. Duminy in particular.
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yet he's still better than Mike Atherton.
And infinitely better than KP!
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Australia , we need to be honest .....we lost a lot of good players in the last 18 months , we should have looked to the future/rebuilt the side a bit starting then . Having not really done that we're in the same position now .
If we want experience in our batting order then I think Cowan opening is better than Voges at 5 , and we could get more seasons out of him .
We should stop using makeshift /converted openers like S.Marsh and Burns - if they are good enough to be in the team it should be in the middle order . Why is Bancroft so out of favour ? Why is Hanscomb not really on the radar ? Is Warner an option at no3 ? Should Maxwell be playing less limited overs stuff so he can find his long format batting mojo ?Furguson is probably not the answer to anything but at least M.Marsh isn't at 6 .
Our bowling stocks are actually rather poor if you don't count the perpetually injured Pattinson and Cummins . We need to look at M.Marsh at 8/third seamer or blood some new quicks (not Mennie) . Siddle too often is as threatening as my grandma and Hazlewood is decentish but quite overrated.
I'm at the point where I think we should get Wade back in for Nevill to boost the batting , even if it means him keeping like Sir Dropsalot .
Lyon is our best spin option but he prevents picking options that help the balance of the side ( O'Keefe, Agar ).
Cowan , Bancroft , Warner , Smith , Hanscomb , Burns , Wade , M.Marsh , Okeefe, Starc , Hazlewood - for the remaining home tests this season .
Cowan , Bancroft , Warner , Smith , Hanscomb , Wade , Maxwell , M.Marsh , Agar , O'Keefe, Starc - my team for the 1st test in India Feb 17 .
And yes , I'm aware the selectors and everyone else will think these teams are crazy .
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O'Keefe has a test batting average of 11. So Rod says he can't play ;)
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Unlikely to be any play on day 2. It's a shame after yesterday. SA won't mind finishing their innings tomorrow in the sunshine
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Thank god Rod Marsh is planning his retirement. Maybe then they can solidify the team, give guys like Uzy a chance to settle in, drop pathetic cricketers like 'Garry' Lyon, tell Mitch Marsh to dust off his WA uniform on a permanent basis, tell Mozzie Henriques to spend his time figuring out how to get St George a first grade win rather than picking him on national tours and tell guys like Handscombe, Bancroft and some of these exciting youngsters from SA and QLD to get ready for the next Aussie tour.
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How about
Warner
Bancroft (WK)
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Stoinis
Zampa/OKeefe
Sayers/Paris
Mennie
Hazlewood
Starc
Nevill has been a liability with the bat. Have a look at the SAF and ENG keepers in comparison. Additionally, I'm not sure why Ben Dunk dropped off the radar after an incredible season last year.
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Dunk has scored 99 runs in his last 9 matches, Zampa averages 50 with the ball in first class matches, Bancroft has hardly shown any form to be selected, Handscome has scored a 60 and 78 and little else this year.
Hang on you are a perfect choice as an Aussie selector
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Handscombe is averaging 49 so far in the shield after finishing 3rd highest run scorer last season at 43.5.
You can take your pick throughout the country for better options than Nevill and Lyon.
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Last year means nothing... that's almost a year ago.... you need to pick on form not past history.
As for Lyon he has 213 test wickets from 58 matches... not bad in my books
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Arguably the worst test line up in 3 decades. Something needs to be done.
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Having seen Handscombe and Bancroft in as our second overseas the last two seasons, surely you have better players out there? Both were distinctly average in county champ div 2.
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How about
Warner
Bancroft (WK)
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Stoinis
Zampa/OKeefe
Sayers/Paris
Mennie
Hazlewood
Starc
Nevill has been a liability with the bat. Have a look at the SAF and ENG keepers in comparison. Additionally, I'm not sure why Ben Dunk dropped off the radar after an incredible season last year.
Nonsense, Nevill is very good player but hasn't had much of a run with the bat, he couldn't get a stick last summer because Smith and co were scoring plenty and since then seems to be going in at 5 for bugger all. The rot starts at the top with all this high performance unit rubbish " managing " players etc. there is more coaching, more support staff and more resources than ever yet performance is the worst I have seen in 25 years. Nevill is the least of our issues.
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It could always be worse! If the ashes were this Winter then I reckon Aus would be in big trouble!
But I suspect that you'll pull it all together over the next year or so and get a very decent team together
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Like England in some ways, there are unanswered questions. If you ask who Australia can write in in ink, definite world class options, you have:
WARNER
X
X
SMITH
X
X
X
X
STARC
X
X
So not many. If you start adding in the guys who deserve a decent run in the side, or who are clearly the least worst option, I reckon you're up to:
WARNER
X
Khawaja
SMITH
X
X
X
X
STARC
Hazlewood
Lyon
So short an opener, and four slots in the middle. I might be being just a little harsh on Nevill, who is solid, and there is at least quality cover in Wade, Payne and surely Whiteman at some point. Mitchell Marsh balances the side, so is worth keeping. So three....
...still not ideal...
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Well, Steyn's out for six months. Will be mightily impressed if he somehow tours here in England next summer.
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I suspect the Aussies are glad he's not playing in their series. And as much as I wish him a full recovery. a big part of me hopes that he is too rusty to be playing on the England tour!
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Like England in some ways, there are unanswered questions. If you ask who Australia can write in in ink, definite world class options, you have:
WARNER
X
X
SMITH
X
X
X
X
STARC
X
X
So not many. If you start adding in the guys who deserve a decent run in the side, or who are clearly the least worst option, I reckon you're up to:
WARNER
X
Khawaja
SMITH
X
X
X
X
STARC
Hazlewood
Lyon
So short an opener, and four slots in the middle. I might be being just a little harsh on Nevill, who is solid, and there is at least quality cover in Wade, Payne and surely Whiteman at some point. Mitchell Marsh balances the side, so is worth keeping. So three....
...still not ideal...
I'd go with this
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
Smith
Wade (w/k)
Maxwell (all rounder)
Faulkner (all rounder)
Starc
Pattinson/Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
I've always thought Wade was a fine player, he's got a pair of Test hundreds and for Victoria he bats 5/6. Give him the responsibility at 5. Maxwell is too talented to leave out. His first class record is good average over 40. Faulkner is IMO a far better player than Mitchell Marsh. Pattinson and Cummins are high class just Gotta fix their brittle bodies.
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Well, Steyn's out for six months. Will be mightily impressed if he somehow tours here in England next summer.
May seem weird after suggesting I have 'love' for a Saffer, but I seem to take a disliking to their bowlers... I've never been a fan of Philander and I've recently said that I find Steyn overrated... Granted DS has had a spell where he was unplayable but I don't think he has been anywhere near as good as people make out!
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I'd go with this
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
Smith
Wade (w/k)
Maxwell (all rounder)
Faulkner (all rounder)
Starc
Pattinson/Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
I've always thought Wade was a fine player, he's got a pair of Test hundreds and for Victoria he bats 5/6. Give him the responsibility at 5. Maxwell is too talented to leave out. His first class record is good average over 40. Faulkner is IMO a far better player than Mitchell Marsh. Pattinson and Cummins are high class just Gotta fix their brittle bodies.
I hope thats the team they turn up with in the next ashes series! 3 wickets and we're into the tail!
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May seem weird after suggesting I have 'love' for a Saffer, but I seem to take a disliking to their bowlers... I've never been a fan of Philander and I've recently said that I find Steyn overrated... Granted DS has had a spell where he was unplayable but I don't think he has been anywhere near as good as people make out!
You quite hard to impress!
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One of the best pace attack looking ordinary at home on a good pitch. This is what happens when batsmen fail to score. This could be a regular pattern for Aussies if the inexperienced batters dont step up. Smith and Warner are not going to score in every inning.
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And we're 1-0.
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Another 100 for deKock...He's in some form! SA still well ahead in this one..Aussies doing better second time around
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You quite hard to impress!
Supporting the football/cricket teams I do you would think anything would impress me, it seems not!
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De Kock could well be the next AB. Makes it look incredibly easy. I bet he doesn't want this tour to end
122 warm up
99 warm up
84 & 64 WACA
107 Hobart
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(https://i.imgur.com/IrXzJ3C.png)
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is that picture big enough? ;)
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No
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Khawaja is wearing black socks. In a test match. Knew there was a reason I didn't rate him that highly!
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Interesting perspective.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1065894.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1065894.html)
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South Africa bowling really well here. Don't know what Voges was doing there! Ferguson 1st test outing not going to well.
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This is beautiful to watch! Great pressure building bowling! 1 wicket needed to clinch the series.
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Amazing bowling from SA, Australia looked woeful, save for Smith and Uzzie yesterday. Time for Voges to go, old man eyes have got him.
My team for next test.
Warner
smarsh(if fit) (burns if not)
khawaja
Smith
white
head
Wade
o'keefe
mennie(or sayers)
starc
Hazelwood
Ferguson should have never been there, Lyon needs to know he is droppable, after a bad tour of SL and two bad tests here, it's time for a spell. Voges just looks past it. Nevill whilst a solid 60 in the last test doesn't look like he will ever make a test hundred, being a good glove man isn't enough.
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Wow
Not sure I've seen so little fight in an aus side!
Warner smith and starc have a lot on the shoulders having to carry rest of the squad here!
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Wow 129-2 to 161 all out! Here was me thinking the aussies might fight. Serious pressure on smith and co right now.
The Aussie press turning on them too, usually they attack foreign sides
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Can we have the ashes now?
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You keep telling yourself that while I predict Australia will see a game winning young batsman make his way into the test team before the next ashes series
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Ponting said a couple of years ago state cricket needs to dump the kook balls and use the english duke ones.
This might not solve the aussies problems batting wise but it seems one option they could do right now
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Waking up to this put a right smile on my face
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You keep telling yourself that while I predict Australia will see a game winning young batsman make his way into the test team before the next ashes series
Who's it going to be?
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Who's it going to be?
Hameed.
He never said for which side, just that Australia will see him.
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I'm just a crazy Aussie wishful thinking
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Who's it going to be?
I'll give you a hint... the Six Million Dollar Man
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Anyone else enjoy smith's reaction to some of those dismissals at the non-strikers end!
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I thought Smith's post-match interview was very honest and one could see how much the loss hurt. What was also clear is that they don't have a solution to their current woes.
This South Africa team wasn't rated highly by many before the, but they have performed outstandingly, with most team members making a contribution at some point. We not world beaters, but I'll settle for Aussie beaters at this stage.
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Kyle Abbott must be the most unlucky man in the world. 30 wickets at 21, 7fer on debut, 5fer in India and now 6fer in Australia. Yet he's only played 8 Tests
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Lehman now saying there will be changes to the team(again)
which does beg the question: do they know what they are doing?
you cannot surely keep changing the players every game ?
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Get finch in!!
But seriously, there rest side is poor, but there odi side is stole rated. There 2 nil down, just add some x factor in the middle overs and get finch and maxwell at five and six.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/sheffield-shield-shootout-to-decide-australian-test-team-overhaul/news-story/ae2db072115b1ee8544a16073b30b66e (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/sheffield-shield-shootout-to-decide-australian-test-team-overhaul/news-story/ae2db072115b1ee8544a16073b30b66e)
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australia-v-south-africa-batsmen-sent-back-to-sheffield-shield-as-cricket-australia-bosses-front-players-20161115-gspubr.html (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australia-v-south-africa-batsmen-sent-back-to-sheffield-shield-as-cricket-australia-bosses-front-players-20161115-gspubr.html)
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Kyle Abbott must be the most unlucky man in the world. 30 wickets at 21, 7fer on debut, 5fer in India and now 6fer in Australia. Yet he's only played 8 Tests
Abbot, Philander and to some extent Steyn in the same pace, swing and seam category. M Morkel is not even playing the game. Rabada has come and cemented his place by offering raw pace and swing.
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Get finch in!!
But seriously, there rest side is poor, but there odi side is stole rated. There 2 nil down, just add some x factor in the middle overs and get finch and maxwell at five and six.
Yes, Finch is not a bad idea but how about Jake Lehman? or T Head or others who are making runs this season
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Anyone else enjoy smith's reaction to some of those dismissals at the non-strikers end!
How (No Swearing Please) you are :o
Smith was himself not at his best. The dismissals were well planned. Mental strength was needed.
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Abbot, Philander and to some extent Steyn in the same pace, swing and seam category. M Morkel is not even playing the game. Rabada has come and cemented his place by offering raw pace and swing.
Plus Morris, De Lange, Vijoen...
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Clearly what the Aussies need is a two division first class game with 18 teams. Although for the first couple of seasons the first division will be made up of kolpak signings and overs seas players while the home grown talent improves...
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Plus Morris, De Lange, Vijoen...
De Lange needs to stay fit and I think Morris still seen as a limited overs players for now. I saw glimpses of Viljoen in the domestic one day stuff and he was always quick in those games. How did he do in his county stint?
Really hard to comment on domestic performances of the South African players because the domestic four day competition gets so little television coverage in South Africa. Maharaj was tidy enough but I personally have never seen him bowl in our domestic four day competition. We are only exposed to the domestic players during the white ball competitions.
The team spirit seems good in the SA team now, but it is much easier to have that when the team is doing well. A test of team spirit comes during times like the Australian team is experiencing.
Right now I am just enjoying the Protea's doing well all the way in DC (aka 'The Swamp)!
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Yes, Finch is not a bad idea but how about Jake Lehman? or T Head or others who are making runs this season
Jake lehman is a good call, enjoyed him at Yorkshire!!
I very much doubt the Aussies will change as much as expecting.
Be atleas tone marsh come back. And maybe the one outsider.
Could end up with agar in a random attempt to put he batting.........
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De Lange needs to stay fit and I think Morris still seen as a limited overs players for now. I saw glimpses of Viljoen in the domestic one day stuff and he was always quick in those games. How did he do in his county stint?
Really hard to comment on domestic performances of the South African players because the domestic four day competition gets so little television coverage in South Africa. Maharaj was tidy enough but I personally have never seen him bowl in our domestic four day competition. We are only exposed to the domestic players during the white ball competitions.
The team spirit seems good in the SA team now, but it is much easier to have that when the team is doing well. A test of team spirit comes during times like the Australian team is experiencing.
Right now I am just enjoying the Protea's doing well all the way in DC (aka 'The Swamp)!
Bit tricky to provide very informed content on his county stint because division two is patchy in standard. His figures were very good and the couple of times I saw him he was properly rapid. May need to learn some nous but better than his debut suggested.
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I thought Morris missed out on this series because he needed knee surgery? De Lange was rapid in the South African T20 match over the weekend. And Viljoen was pretty disappointing on his Test debut. Rapid yes but seemed only capable of whacking in it half way down
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I'd be keeping a keen eye on youngsters like Matthew Renshaw and Sam Heazlett.
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Ponting said a couple of years ago state cricket needs to dump the kook balls and use the english duke ones.
This might not solve the aussies problems batting wise but it seems one option they could do right now
Some of the shield rounds will use a dukes this season .....so at least that is starting to take shape . While they're at it , they could could use s.g balls too , couldn't hurt with the Indian tour in Feb .
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Road Marsh has quit - no surprise there really.... some of those front pages are brutal!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37996795 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37996795)
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Road Marsh has quit - no surprise there really.... some of those front pages are brutal!
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37996795[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37996795[/url])
I was just going to make the same post .
This is good news, his selection logic has been so inconsistent for ages .
It's a pity that some of our best candidates for selectors already have commentary commitments etc . Ponting , Taylor , Warne , Healy , I.Chappell, Border , would all be good . Plus , we have the wrong Waugh brother on the panel .
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People keep talking about Sheffield Shield not being the finishing school that it once was . I think a lot of has to do with the stop-start schedule and the use of too many roads and samey-samey wickets . Why can't we have a longer first class season ? Start in July or August when some of the pitches are bound to be greener ? It's not like we have a shortage of grounds , ie in Sydney : Drummoyne , Hurstville , Bankstown , Blacktown , North Sydney etc have all hosted previous first class fixtures . Who cares if no one shows up or takes interest because they don't already ! Who cares if it's still footy season . Be like Nike and just do it !
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Who else is enjoying the back pages of the aussie papers :D
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Who else is enjoying the back pages of the aussie papers :D
...save some of that energy for next November, you'll be in stitches then ! ;) :( :)
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Who else is enjoying the back pages of the aussie papers :D
You guys are coming off a 1-1 draw with Bangladesh and a drawn test in India. Don't get too cocky.
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You guys are coming off a 1-1 draw with Bangladesh and a drawn test in India. Don't get too cocky.
Pretty sure he's from New Zealand. Hence his user name. "csNEW"
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You guys are coming off a 1-1 draw with Bangladesh and a drawn test in India. Don't get too cocky.
Absolutely - but it is lovely to see someone else being poo and getting it in the neck from their own media, it's most refreshing.
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You guys are coming off a 1-1 draw with Bangladesh and a drawn test in India. Don't get too cocky.
We also hold the Ashes, remember? ;)
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You guys are coming off a 1-1 draw with Bangladesh and a drawn test in India. Don't get too cocky.
My money would have been on Bangladesh had the aussies toured ;). Luckily for them they didn't!
Pretty sure he's from New Zealand. Hence his user name. "csNEW"
Spot on!
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Misery loves company and after the Kiwi tour of India, I guess they're enjoying watching the Aussies struggle.
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Who else is enjoying the back pages of the aussie papers :D
My Puppy
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Misery loves company and after the Kiwi tour of India, I guess they're enjoying watching the Aussies struggle.
Thought the kiwi's put up a good show apart from the last test. Better than what the Aussies have done on the subcontinent.
Pretty sure every single test match against pak, ind and SL recently was a thrashing
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Thought the kiwi's put up a good show apart from the last test. Better than what the Aussies have done on the subcontinent.
Pretty sure every single test match against pak, ind and SL recently was a thrashing
Surely you realise by now the ones eager to post and slay are the ones that don't watch cricket.
There the ones that just look on cricinfo and say " yep that team lost must have been a beating" or "he didn't take a wicket drop him"
You watch the games, you know that just cos it was a win doesn't mean they weren't pushed, and just because someone didn't get a wicket doesn't mean they didn't bowl well.
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Absolutely - but it is lovely to see someone else being poo and getting it in the neck from their own media, it's most refreshing.
The difference though between Aussie media and English media Fattus is even when England are winning they call for heads to roll and players to be dropped and ask when captains are retiring ;)
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Adam Voges has suffered a concussion after being hit on the back of the helmet in a Sheffield Shield game.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38009280 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38009280)
Wishing him a speedy recovery, but it goes to show that sending the Test players back to the Shield between games may not have been the wisest of moves
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Faf's at it again - possible ball tampering
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2016-17/content/story/1066647.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2016-17/content/story/1066647.html)
Did I miss something but I thought most teams chew sweets to shine the ball?
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Only used by cheats ;) :D
http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/mints-made-england-05-ashes-swing-kings-trescothick/2008/08/24/1219516262972.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/mints-made-england-05-ashes-swing-kings-trescothick/2008/08/24/1219516262972.html)
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Faf has done it earlier with zipper of his trousers also.
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The video of voges getting hit looks horrible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRdHb3NqoQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRdHb3NqoQ)
Looks like he was using a shrey helmet with no protection at the back
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The video of voges getting hit looks horrible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRdHb3NqoQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRdHb3NqoQ)
Looks like he was using a shrey helmet with no protection at the back
Ouch.. To be honest, the art of playing the quick ball aimed at the body has gone. Voges, Ferguson. Pujura etc have all shown a real weaknesses within the last week.
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Ouch.. To be honest, the art of playing the quick ball aimed at the body has gone. Voges, Ferguson. Pujura etc have all shown a real weaknesses within the last week.
Boycott has mentioned that in an era with helmets, the modern batsmen doesn't keep their eye on the short ball long enough. They have a false sense of security.
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Boycott has mentioned that in an era with helmets, the modern batsmen doesn't keep their eye on the short ball long enough. They have a false sense of security.
Boycs is right, he is most of the time. But having been hit 3 times in the head or face most of us wear lids in amateur cricket all the time...
If you were curious about back-in-the-day you tube micheal holding to brian close at the Oval(where Holding got a warning for short pitched bowling)
there is one delivery Close get's his head out the way a split second before being cleaned out totally-the shows how quick youre reactions can be if you watch the ball
but.....batting without a lid these days is madness.
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.....the ideal would be : wear a lid , bat like you're not wearing one .
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Australia's squad for the day/night Test has been announced with the minimum of three debutants.
David Warner, Matt Renshaw, Usman Khawaja, Steven Smith, Peter Handscomb, Nic Maddinson, Matthew Wade (wk), Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird, Chadd Sayers.
Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson get their Baggy Greens with a potential debut for seamer Chadd Sayers as well. Wade reclaims the gloves as well. The hapless Lyon keeps his slot after O'Keefe pulled his calf.
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What a joke, Wade might average 5 or so more with the but bat will cost us with his awful keeping, not sure how Nevill gets the blame for a (No Swearing Please) top 6. Hope they give these guy's a few tests though, chopping and changing won't achieve anything.
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Australia having to turn to an Englishman to save their batting 🙈
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This is mid 90's England stuff.
Hanscomb and Renshaw are both pomms!
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That is some big changes!!
Glad they picked wade............ don't shout at me @skip1973 .......
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Renshaw is born here to two English parents...well i suppose needs must for the Aussies
Is KP available?
:)
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Renshaw is born here to two English parents...well i suppose needs must for the Aussies
Is KP available?
:)
Must have stole a loaf of bread
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So Ferguson and Mennie get one test match and then dropped? Brutal. Just so long as they don't pick Klinger.
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Still waiting to see a decent all rounder
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If either of them showed something that could be worked on, then yes harsh! But I'm not sure either of them did.
Out if there depth springs to mind.
Be interesting to see what happened if the 3/4 newbies have a similar test. Dropped or given more chances?
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Can't believe Maddinson was picked ahead of Patterson , Lehmann , Head , Cowan , Bancroft , etc . I hate S.Marsh but would prefer him back when fit . Maddinson has the mental toughness of a fat kid in a candy store and is an almost compulsive hooker . I don't rate his consistency. Handscomb and Renshaw .... fair enough . I hate to say it , since it shows where oz is at , but Wade for Nevill was the right move . But what happens when we tour india ?...his gloves will spontaneously combust . Sam Whiteman is the future . He's making some runs too a.t.m . Hopefully he makes some more and forces Wade's iron gloves out of the side .
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I never thought Wades keeping was that bad... 😳
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I never thought Wades keeping was that bad... 😳
https://youtu.be/xOn1YeiePNA
If I could dub the circus juggling music over the top of this, it would be perfect.
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https://youtu.be/xOn1YeiePNA
If I could dub the circus juggling music over the top of this, it would be perfect.
I was expecting a montage. Can we name a keeper that's never dropped a catch?
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Still waiting to see a decent all rounder
You've got Matt wade! Wasn't he bowling at 130kph plus against Sri Lanka once??
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There w as a great quote on Twitter about Wade, who is less a wicketkeeper than a man who crouches in a field with oven gloves on.
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I was expecting a montage. Can we name a keeper that's never dropped a catch?
So was I. I expected there to be loads of them on YouTube. That was the only video I could find of him dropping a catch.
Guess he can't be that bad?
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There w as a great quote on Twitter about Wade, who is less a wicketkeeper than a man who crouches in a field with oven gloves on.
on the plus side, he'll make YJB look like the reincarnation of Jimmy Binks by comparison! ;)
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Ha!
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after all, we only rated Haseeb Hameed because we'd been watching Joe Burns attempts to play the moving ball!
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on the plus side, he'll make YJB look like the reincarnation of Jimmy Binks by comparison! ;)
Don't go too far, maybe Jar Jar Binks...
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Don't go too far, maybe Jar Jar Binks...
Meeesssaaaaah Greeeeeat weeeekkkkkkkeeeeeee! :D
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Don't go too far, maybe Jar Jar Binks...
Why'd you have to mention the sith....
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You've got Matt wade! Wasn't he bowling at 130kph plus against Sri Lanka once??
Funnily enough I thought the same .....if we get desperate for some overs of pace then Wade can bowl and Handscomb can keep ( yeah I know he's only a grade level keeper but that's still about the same /better than Wade , right ?)
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Is Wade's keeping really that bad? Yeah he's had issues with keeping to Lyon in the past, but is the roller even likely to play in Adelaide? Highly unlikely.
du Plessis will play the third Test after lawyers for his tampering charges couldn't reach Australia in time.
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Wade is embarrassing as a keeper, listening to a few people here there is a school of thought that nevill is too nice, not aggressive like Wade.
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Is Wade's keeping really that bad? Yeah he's had issues with keeping to Lyon in the past, but is the roller even likely to play in Adelaide? Highly unlikely.
du Plessis will play the third Test after lawyers for his tampering charges couldn't reach Australia in time.
Yeah , yeah it is that bad . He keeps poorly to any spinner . He backpeddles , rises too early , snaps at the ball . Even standing back he is rather mediocre at best , and he doesn't keep with an Aussie technique either .
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Surely you'd prefer 'nice but able to catch' against 'gobby with pan-hands'?
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Having picked a couple of poms i think the aussies have just tried to keep the blokey/aussie balance by dropping a keeper for not sledging enough
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Wade is embarrassing as a keeper, listening to a few people here there is a school of thought that nevill is too nice, not aggressive like Wade.
If you'd seen some of Nevill's first class knocks you'd surely think he was tough and determined, but perhaps he lacks Wade's mongrel. But none of that matters , especially when the team needs runs at 7 desperately.
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Surely you'd prefer 'nice but able to catch' against 'gobby with pan-hands'?
Absolutely, Nevill has been made a scapegoat here for sure, if the top 6 were scoring runs he wouldn't of even been mentioned. It reeks of panic.
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I haven't seen Handscomb keep at all and i realise Wade has the gloves over him at Victoria but surely if Wade is that bad (and everyone on here says he is) then Handscomb should keep and then the Aussies could play another specialist batter?
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I still think the Aussies are desperate for a good all rounder
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I still think the Aussies are desperate for a good all rounder
certainly having a decent AR allows you to balance a side a lot easy to the conditions you are playing in and then takes pressure off.
are there any on the horizon or who could be picked in Oz - obviously Mitch Marsh was tried
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What happened to Moses Henriques? I'm not sure if he is classed as an All Rounder or a Bit Part player though...
And what about Glenn Maxwell, he bats, he bowls and is electric in the field. Couldn't he be given a run in the Test side?
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#bringbackwatson
Everybody slated him but now people realise how bloody good he was!
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Someone in the Henriques mold but I don't think he is the answer and I'd have Maxwell as a batsman who can bowl a little spin as opposed to an allrounder
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I think the fact that Henriques played the 3rd test in Sri Lanka as a specialist batsman shows how little faith Smith and co have in his bowling at test level . Probably our next cab off the rank re pace bowling allrounders in Stoinis but I don't think he's quite at test level either .
As far as allrounders period , probably only Faulkner and Agar are closest to a true allrounder , with Maxwell, Head , O'keefe , Abbott , Cutting, and a couple others being handy part timers with their 'other' disipline .
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I think the fact that Henriques played the 3rd test in Sri Lanka as a specialist batsman shows how little faith Smith and co have in his bowling at test level . Probably our next cab off the rank re pace bowling allrounders in Stoinis but I don't think he's quite at test level either .
As far as allrounders period , probably only Faulkner and Agar are closest to a true allrounder , with Maxwell, Head , O'keefe , Abbott , Cutting, and a couple others being handy part timers with their 'other' disipline .
What happened to Faulkner? i thought he might make a good AR if you gave him time.
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Everytime i see Stoinis bowl he gets smacked. personally dont think he would ever make a test all rounder. seems to be loose with bat in hand aswell.
what about hilton cartwright?
also, i there a reason Travis Dean seems to have been forgotten about in the search for an opener?
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Faulkner is a good call I reckon
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Have you seen this 'altercation' now with a Channel 9 reporter!
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10665937/watch-south-africa-security-guard-clashes-with-reporter-questioning-faf-du-plessis (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10665937/watch-south-africa-security-guard-clashes-with-reporter-questioning-faf-du-plessis)
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Mental disintegration isnt effective on the pitch for aussies anymore so they are now trying it in the airport. What next a bit of social media trolling?
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Pretty embarrassing "journalism" but then again does it surprise you. He's very lucky security didn't knock him out
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Channel 9 does not deserve to have the legend that was Richie Benaud associated as part of their commentary history.
The current lot are a bunch of jokers.
RIP Richie, simply a credit to Australia, cricket in general and a legend over here.
Very much missed.
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i think it's hilarious the way the security guy puts the shoulder in and puts the reporter in the wall!
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Love the guy who clearly knows the microphone is wedged in his suitcase wheel and just keeps strolling.
Stoinis didn't really rip up club cricket for the brief period he played in Peterborough. Not sure how that translates to his test credentials, he looked to have all the attributes though.
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Embarrassing reporting! What does he actually expect to achieve? Who did he play for @Vitas Cricket ?
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Embarrassing reporting! What does he actually expect to achieve? Who did he play for @Vitas Cricket ?
Had about 7 games for Peterborough Town in the Northants Prem in 2012, averaged somewhere in the 40s from memory.
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Faulkner and Maxwell suffer in that when they could be building their first class stats they instead miss games shuffling off to some meaningless o.d.i /t20 tournament somewhere . The same applies to a lesser extent with all aussies vying for test berths ie December /January, if a test player is under pressure to retain his place , all the other options aren't playing sheild , they're playing b.b.l .
Faulkner hasn't scored enough centuries. Stoinis, as mentioned, is a bit loose , and ineffective with the ball . Maxwell almost has the game but could do with better batting temperament and a bit more fizz in his bowling . Agar , if only he can produce more good days with the ball ( like his sheild 10for the other week ) is young enough to come good but would need to produce a couple more consistent seasons though . I think if M.Marsh continues to bowl well , and if we can find a batting allrounder at 7 , then he is a decent bowling allrounder prospect for no8....but not 6 or 7 like we've tried to use him as .
Faf to front the icc re ball tampering charge this arvo.....will probably get a partial match payment fine /warning or some such .
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I think people are a bit harsh on Mitchell Marsh. He might not be a six yet but at seven he is decent. He just needs to work on applying himself more.
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I think people are a bit harsh on Mitchell Marsh. He might not be a six yet but at seven he is decent. He just needs to work on applying himself more.
Marsh has no adaptability with his batting. He can biff and nothing else. Poor footwork as well.
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Marsh has no adaptability with his batting. He can biff and nothing else. Poor footwork as well.
Sounds like Flintoff and Stokes when they first started.
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Sounds like Flintoff and Stokes when they first started.
Flintoff was more a bowling all rounder TBH. His batting wasn't as good as it should've been. But his footwork was considerably better than Marsh's. Stokes might've been dubbed a hitter but his technique was pretty sound
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Flintoff was more a bowling all rounder TBH. His batting wasn't as good as it should've been. But his footwork was considerably better than Marsh's. Stokes might've been dubbed a hitter but his technique was pretty sound
I think the similarities are definitely there...
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http://www.skysports.com/share/10667366 (http://www.skysports.com/share/10667366)
Didnt know Wade was colourblind.
That's unfortunate!
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Faf fighting hard!
Aus on top.
Wade with 4 catches!!
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Aussies's should complain that Du Plessis should have been suspended
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Delighted for Faf! What a way to shut the fools up
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100 up for faf! Go on son
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Lyon has a wicket! Finally
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Wades wickets go up to 5! He's having a nightmare.......
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Well batted Faf murray mints in the jug later!
:)
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Wades wickets go up to 5! He's having a nightmare.......
That's funny that is - he's a terrible keeper you know! :D
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SA better off getting the bowling boots on, 3-4 down tonight the aussies.
Surprised how much its turning already, not the usual adelaide road
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The aussies won't like that! SA declaring. Like the aggression from FAF
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I always like to see debutants do well, but I'd love to see Aussies 30-5 by close of play tonight, would make for a superb test match then
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Aussies been watching hameed?
5overs in and neither opener off the mark.
Suppose Warner being at 3 has helped the slow start
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Oz are killing Test cricket 😂
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Thought du Plessis' innings was sensational. Hazlewood and Bird bowled very nicely and Faf scored a chance less 100. Loves the Adelaide oval does the South African captain. Pretty impressed with the Australian rookie opener. Showed a good technique against a superb bowling attack. Just to think it could've been Hameed and Renshaw for England...
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Beauty from rabada to get maddinson and coped a send off :D
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Oh dear, wade fails
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Handscomb hanging back to everything reminiscent of Joe Root's first incarnation as an international player. Not saying he will have that success, but interesting to see.
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Renshaw didn't add to his overnight score.
Handscomeb with a nice 50
Maddison with a duck.
And wade only made 4.
Would burns, m marsh, Neville, ferguson etc have done any better? Probably not.
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Marsh was hitting them ok before he got injured.
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Also, not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but as a junior Renshaw played for the same club joe root and Micheal Vaughan came from.
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Kyle Abbott has been bowling like a miserly demon this series . I don't think Steyn could have bowled any better .
Handscomb had a promising innings . Renshaw ....need to watch him for a good handful of test innings to suss out . Maddinson. ... not test material. If we want youngsters , there are others more worthy , more suitable to test cricket .
I wish Sayers had been picked for this match , could have been dangerous under lights with the new ball .
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Despite me not being happy bt have this cricket. The highlights on twitter aren't bad.
https://twitter.com/btsportcricket/status/802121987665567744
The look on Maddison face says it all. Ffs lol
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Despite me not being happy bt have this cricket. The highlights on twitter aren't bad.
https://twitter.com/btsportcricket/status/802121987665567744
The look on Maddison face says it all. Ffs lol
yeah this is how i have been following it and the highlights on twitter aren't bad at all.
you are right about Maddinson :o :o :o
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South Africa tumbling towards defeat. 196-6 a lead of only 70. Stephen Cook playing a lone hand with 81*
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Evil genius declaration by Faf!
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Aussies win!
Cracking not out for the young renshaw. 34 runs at a sr of 24. Loving these new bread of actual test style players.
Harsh on khawaja. "Cracking big ton opening lad, just what we've needed for years, but back to 3 you go" and then...........duck.
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Also gutted nic Maddison didn't get a second hit. Hope they give him a shot again and that isn't his sole opportunity.
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Also gutted nic Maddison didn't get a second hit. Hope they give him a shot again and that isn't his sole opportunity.
0, thanks for coming lad.
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Aussies win!
Cracking not out for the young renshaw. 34 runs at a sr of 24. Loving these new bread of actual test style players.
Harsh on khawaja. "Cracking big ton opening lad, just what we've needed for years, but back to 3 you go" and then...........duck.
Interesting one that, his ton set up the match, but I am not sure he is typically an opening bat.
Warner has been very successful at the top of the order setting the tone.
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Cannot figure out why maddinson is in and not kurtis patterson!!??