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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on April 12, 2018, 10:48:58 AM
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New season starts tomorrow, big start to the season for lots of players in and around the national set up!
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I can see Ian bell having a really strong season and people throwing his name around again. However, turning 36 yesterday (he still looks 18) will probably count against him.
I think Stoneman will be safe for the start of the test summer but the likes of Northeast, Gubbins, Joe Clarke, Livingstone will be breathing down Vince's neck.
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How we do depends on players away with England, but an XI of
Burns, Stoneman, Borthwick, overseas (possibly Elgar), Pope/Roy, Foakes, S Curran, Clarke, T Curran, Batty and Morkel really should be making a statement or two. Big boots to fill for the players at the top order to make up all those runs Sanga put on the board, but I reckon Burns under the captaincy will thrive
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Really dont think Bell's name will be mentioned for England again. It shouldn't be anyway.
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Early season damp wickets, Middlesex can cause some damage with the seam bowling line up.
Tim Murtagh, TRJ, Steven Finn, Tom Helm, James Harris, Tom Barber to name a few, I'd expect a strong start with whatever combination is selected. Batting looks pretty good, provided Gubbins comes back from his hamstring injury quickly. With Malan unavailable and Morgan injured we look a little light to start, not much experience waiting in the wings but huge potential.
I reckon the xi tomorrow will be along these lines.
Robson (c)
Holden
Eskinazi
Cartwright
Stirling
Franklin
Simpson (wk)
Roland-Jones
Murtagh
Helm
Finn
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http://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/domestic/englands_next_big_thing_part_i_can_hain__take_one-day_ability_back_into_the_red-ball_arena.html (http://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/domestic/englands_next_big_thing_part_i_can_hain__take_one-day_ability_back_into_the_red-ball_arena.html)
Not quite the right topic but an interesting article nevertheless
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Just seen the Lords pitch for tomorrow.
It is greener than a green felt tip.
Middlesex will be batting first for sure!
(http://i66.tinypic.com/vrwmm8.jpg)
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Be interested to see how Gleason for Northants gets on! Supposed to be quite sharp
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Whats the weather supposed to be like at Lords tomorrow?
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Thick cloud, or at least overcast, the entire day according to BBC weather.
Tim Murtagh will be licking his lips at that pitch! Batsmen not so much...
I live about half an hours train from Lords, it has been drizzling most of the last few days, lost two days of the game at Merchant Taylors to the weather so won't have been easy getting any sort of pitch prepared!
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Cricinfo's take on what players we should be looking out for. Most of them have already been mentioned.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23132882/five-county-players-make-mark (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23132882/five-county-players-make-mark)
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Cricinfo's take on what players we should be looking out for. Most of them have already been mentioned.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23132882/five-county-players-make-mark[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23132882/five-county-players-make-mark[/url])
What a load of (No Swearing Please), 3 of them were massive performers last season so obviously pipped for a good year again, doesn't take a cricket expert to predict that, lazy journalism
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If hope dawid Malan was on the beers when interviewed by Sky, it seems only Joe root is guaranteed to start for England this summer.... We might have more problems then we think :)
Batting wise for those youngsters there's motivation for a possible place, I think these will be looked at closely in the Championship.
Hameed
Clarke
Livingstone
Gubbins
Jennings.
Livingstone having been picked maybe first in line.
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one youngster to watch is Kent's Zac Crawley.
As for predictions, I am going for Essex to win again.
I think Surrey will struggle 🤕😨😭
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one youngster to watch is Kent's Zac Crawley.
As for predictions, I am going for Essex to win again.
I think Surrey will struggle 🤕😨😭
I’m the opposite, I think Essex will struggle. They have an ageing team
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Any way to watch any of these matches today?
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Gosh! Never have the early county games incorporated so much 'England watch'!!! There must be at least 3/4 batting places up for grabs and 2 bowling places.
I know England won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it;s exciting to see who will stake a claim! My left-field, wild-card, what-have-you-been-drinking ones to watch are:
Eskinazi
Gubbins
Helm
Clarke (Worcs)
Bess
Parkinson (Lancs)
Garton (I live in hope!!)
Duckett (yes, big D - reincented as a Test match no 3 or 4)
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Any way to watch any of these matches today?
Some counties have live streams now, so I'll be watching Middlesex through their website.
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I’m the opposite, I think Essex will struggle. They have an ageing team
Yeah that 7 months since September has ruined them all! ;)
Essex are, however, a couple of injuries away from a problem. They've got decent back up in Wheater & Chopra, but really very, very little after that... Bowling looks a lot strounger this year, so hopefully won't have to rely on Porter & Harmer as much. Coles looks a good signing, Walter could be something special, and then you've got to add in Sam Cook, Beard, Quinn & Dixon. Overseas - Siddle isn't as good as Amir, but still a serious threat.
Essex to win, probably won't be at a canter, Hants look good this year and Morkel will make a huge difference at Surrey. Somerset to struggle, Not sure who else will go down though, Worcs looked decent last year and should be mid-table I feel.
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Gosh! Never have the early county games incorporated so much 'England watch'!!! There must be at least 3/4 batting places up for grabs and 2 bowling places.
I know England won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it;s exciting to see who will stake a claim! My left-field, wild-card, what-have-you-been-drinking ones to watch are:
Eskinazi
Gubbins
Helm
Clarke (Worcs)
Bess
Parkinson (Lancs)
Garton (I live in hope!!)
Duckett (yes, big D - reincented as a Test match no 3 or 4)
I'd love to see Duckett given another crack!
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It's very cold out.
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Really hoping we see some play, reckon could be some interesting scorecards with this weather around and green tops
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Robson (c)
Holden
Eskinazi
Cartwright
Stirling
Franklin
Simpson (wk)
Roland-Jones
Murtagh
Helm
Finn
No Eskinazi, Finn or Franklin.
Robbie White, James Harris and Ollie Rayner play.
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Worcs and Northants bowling, no play yet In the other games
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Middlesex's batting looks weak, missing Gubbins, Compton, Eskinazi & Malan.
Will be interesting to see how they go against what is a pretty decent Northants attack on a pitch like this, Sanderson, Gleeson & Kleindveldt are should be a handful.
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Tough losing Eski very late on. Robson needs to do his usual trick of piling up early runs and hopefully not tail off like most seasons.
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Any live streams available ?
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https://www.middlesexccc.com/fixtures/results/2018/04/13/middlesex-v-northamptonshire (https://www.middlesexccc.com/fixtures/results/2018/04/13/middlesex-v-northamptonshire)
With integrated BBC commentary.
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Got to feel sorry for RG White. County Championship debut. Batting 3. Golden duck.
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Gleeson looks good! Good physique on him, moves it and bowls at a decent lick!
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James Vince seems to be a man on a mission today...62 from 55 balls.
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James Vince seems to be a man on a mission today...62 from 55 balls.
Aaaand gone for 75. At least he didn't nick off!
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This time of year is when the rule of Visitors when the toss can really make a difference.
That pitch at Lords is crazy.
Rocking up to Lords as a Middlesex player knowing that you are going to be put in on that must be interesting!
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Aaaand gone for 75. At least he didn't nick off!
Probably nicked on. ;)
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Some scones from Vince...."s'okay Hash, I know you average 50 at three in tests, but I think I'm gonna do it"
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https://www.middlesexccc.com/fixtures/results/2018/04/13/middlesex-v-northamptonshire (https://www.middlesexccc.com/fixtures/results/2018/04/13/middlesex-v-northamptonshire)
With integrated BBC commentary.
Looks as though Paul Stirling and Adam Rossington have wintered well :D
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Some scones from Vince...."s'okay Hash, I know you average 50 at three in tests, but I think I'm gonna do it"
Fair play if he wants to make it for England.
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This time of year is when the rule of Visitors when the toss can really make a difference.
That pitch at Lords is crazy.
Rocking up to Lords as a Middlesex player knowing that you are going to be put in on that must be interesting!
At least you have the lunches to look forward to.
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Vincey's bagged himself a home summer batting at #3 then
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But Rick, the cupboard is bare...
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I think I posted a while back what happened to Scott borthwick
Well he has got a ton for Surrey today batting 3 so could be a comeback on the cards
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To be fair Surrey are playing some students! But he owes the club a good season.
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Not long ago Borthwick was being touted as a prospective England no.3. Not least on here.
Popped in for an hour today. His bat sounded sweet, even in the freezing cold.
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I think , I'm not sure to be honest thou, we got success as a leggie in that England took note
But he is a batsman first to my knowledge and always was really. We have persisted with spin as a part time thing for ages,
I've always thought myself it's more specialist like Swann,Panesar,Edmunds,Embury etc
So if your picking a spinner you need a real wicket taker.
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Only because that's all that's been available? T20 and the subsequent unhelpful scheduling of champuinship cricket is killing spin bowling, in my opinion. Seems like it might get worse too.
Borthwick was a bowling all-rounder and has re-invented himself as a batsman who bowls a bit. When he and Stoneman came to Surrey, I think I am rght in saying, it was Borthwick whom people had the greater expectations of.
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I think , I'm not sure to be honest thou, we got success as a leggie in that England took note
But he is a batsman first to my knowledge and always was really. We have persisted with spin as a part time thing for ages,
I've always thought myself it's more specialist like Swann,Panesar,Edmunds,Embury etc
So if your picking a spinner you need a real wicket taker.
Or if they can't take wickets block up an end.
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They need a craftsman. That could be a Paul Harris/Herath type who prides themselves on blocking an end dead or a Swann who bowls with menace. Just not a part timer.
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They need a craftsman. That could be a Paul Harris/Herath type who prides themselves on blocking an end dead or a Swann who bowls with menace. Just not a part timer.
Name one?
(Another CC thread turns into a thread about England.)
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Looks like some tasty pitches around today.
Northants - 71 AO vs Middlesex
Kent - 64 AO vs Gloucester and they are 24-3 in reply!!
Lancashire - 158-8 vs Notts
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Looks like some tasty pitches around today.
Northants - 71 AO vs Middlesex
Kent - 64 AO vs Gloucester and they are 24-3 in reply!!
Lancashire - 158-8 vs Notts
Got to earn your runs this way
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Name one?
(Another CC thread turns into a thread about England.)
The best bet for me is Dom Bess. Turns it, attacks the stumps. Leach is almost there - though post remodelling his action he has not ripped it as much (I think this is a confidence issue)
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Looks like some tasty pitches around today.
Northants - 71 AO vs Middlesex
Kent - 64 AO vs Gloucester and they are 24-3 in reply!!
Lancashire - 158-8 vs Notts
James Harris, 5/9 off 5.2! Not that long ago he was being tipped as the next England all rounder, down the pecking order now. Think it was the last NZ tour he was called up but didn't play.
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He's always been linked with England and not sure why, he doesn't seem consistently put these performances in and doesn't always even play or bowl much for middlesex, had some injury problems too. Seems a waste really
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I think half the problem has been that he starts a season strongly, then seems to get injured, someone comes in and performs strongly and he doesn't get back in. Pretty sure he is another who lost pace after working at Loughborough, used to be high 80s when he broke into Glamorgan squad but mostly low now.
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To be fair he was opening the bowling for Glamorgan from the age of 17, I’m surprised he can still walk let alone get through a season injury free
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Notts chasing 10 to win which they did but not before being 5-3, hahahaha
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Notts chasing 10 to win which they did but not before being 5-3, hahahaha
and 9-4. Lancs also lost 9-22 today, guessing it's doing a bit!
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and 9-4. Lancs also lost 9-22 today, guessing it's doing a bit!
From the BBC website CC live reporting page -
"Final tally for 90 minutes of cricket at Old Trafford today: 25 runs, 12 wickets."
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To be fair he was opening the bowling for Glamorgan from the age of 17, I’m surprised he can still walk let alone get through a season injury free
Consider yourself lucky that Fred Trueman is neither alive, nor a member of CBF.
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I think half the problem has been that he starts a season strongly, then seems to get injured, someone comes in and performs strongly and he doesn't get back in. Pretty sure he is another who lost pace after working at Loughborough, used to be high 80s when he broke into Glamorgan squad but mostly low now.
Other way around, he was always a medium pacer who seamed the ball around. England came calling, tried to make him quicker and he lost the movement and ended up injured.
A couple of season ago he decided to stop trying to bowl fast and just stick to what made him successful to begin with. I remember reading this a couple of years ago and he made it clear that he wasn't a fan of the coaching system in place...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/19/the-spin-england-fast-bowling-james-harris (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/19/the-spin-england-fast-bowling-james-harris)
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Damn ECB. Again!
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He'll get out now (sorry somerset fans) but renshaw looks to be doing ok on debut!
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yeah he does! good signing and no sandpaper in sight! (yet)
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Some great streams on the Somerset and Essex websites
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100 for renshaw!
this lad can bat!
i wonder if we can steal him given he's from middlesborough...
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Hodd to the rescue again for Yorkshire
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Good to see Renshaw get his confidence back, I think that's four centuries in 10 innings(two of which where the jet lagged knocks in South Africa).
A penny for Bancroft's thoughts...
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Not sure playing loads of the championship so early in the season is doing England's search for batsmen much good, low scores everywhere!
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I would like to see Hameed get some form it ain't looking likely at the moment.
Perhaps there are not so many places up for grabs after all ! :)
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Not sure playing loads of the championship so early in the season is doing England's search for batsmen much good, low scores everywhere!
Certainly right edge !! Jennings and Hameed are certainly staking a claim, on the other hand Rory burns got a few !!
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Certainly right edge !! Jennings and Hameed are certainly staking a claim, on the other hand Rory burns got a few !!
was he batting at the Charles Tyrwhitt Oval by any chance? ;)
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Aidan Markram bags a pair against Kent
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So, England watch:
Cook - Not playing
Stoneman- no runs
Hameed- no runs
Vince - runs
Root - not playing
Malan - not playing
Balance - no runs
Stokes - IPL bollox
Bairstow- not playing
Woakes- not playing
Roland Jones - bowling rubbish
Overton- bowled ok?
Leach - ?
Broad- not playing
Jimmy - not playing
On the other hand, apparently Gleeson is bowling well and Burns seems to be scoring runs.
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Some braindead batting from the Surrey contingent today, then again we had Dernbach batting at #9. Ah.
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Why aren't the England boys playing, especially the batsman?
Fair enough you've had a long winter but the only way to get back into form is by playing and not doing other rubish like PR work or Lambing!
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Why aren't the England boys playing, especially the batsman?
Fair enough you've had a long winter but the only way to get back into form is by playing and not doing other rubish like PR work or Lambing!
Give them a break mate, some of them have played as many as 7 tests in the last 6 months, got to think about burnout
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And it would disproportionately favour Yorkshire so...never gonna happen...
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I doubt 3 test matches since the new year would have taken much out of Broad, Anderson and Cook...
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And it would disproportionately favour Yorkshire so...never gonna happen...
And yes that is the main reason but didn't want to sound bitter
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was he batting at the Charles Tyrwhitt Oval by any chance? ;)
Jennings and hameed had the luxury of Chelmsford, certainly isn't a bowlers paradise either
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Umpires making much use of bat gauge at The Oval.
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And yes that is the main reason but didn't want to sound bitter
:)
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Matt Henry enjoying himself 5-28 and 5-22, career best match figures for the Kiwi
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Looks like Foster and Harmer have taken the game away from Lancs
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Ed Barnard batted and bowled very very well.
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Fidel Edwards bat appeared to nearly fail the gauge test. This seemed to amuse the Surrey players.
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I like how pretty much every player has walked out and been asked to go up against the old gauge.
Great day for us and building up a very nice lead thanks to Borthwick and Foakes.
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Ollie Pope is an exceptional talent.
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Didn't even need old Morne for this game. All hail Amar Virdi
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Ton for Sam Northeast!!
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Was catching up on the ECB county highlights over lunch today and there looked to be some shocking LBW decisions given from these county umpires, I thought panel umpires were trigger happy seem to have nothing on the county umpires
Anyway great to see batters starting to get some good scores now with Tons for Pope, Marsh, Hildreath, Northeast to name a few in this round of matches
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Derbyshire beat Middlesex. Their first home win since 2014.
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I will probably get shot down for this, but I still think Foakes is the better keeper than Bairstow; fantastic grab to win the game for us today, plus an excellent 2nd innings partnership with Pope where he put on 81
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I will probably get shot down for this, but I still think Foakes is the better keeper than Bairstow; fantastic grab to win the game for us today, plus an excellent 2nd innings partnership with Pope where he put on 81
He has been superb in this match.
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I love the County Championship. :)
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Strong chance that Foakes will win a new set of admirers this summer and not just for his perfect hair and winning smile! Nearly good enough to be in the Test team as a batsman and a wonderful keeper. Bairstow needs to move up the order.
Malan, Root, Bairstow Stokes, Foakes, Woakes will happen this summer.
Great performance from the Ray today.
Also worth mentioning that of the team playing all except Stoneman, Borthwick, Elgar and Foakes are from the Surrey Academy.
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Won't happen, but it would be great if they chose to do without an overseas replacement for Elgar, and batted Roy at 4.
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Although Roy likely to be spending time with England, of course...
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That Ed Barnard chap i admit to only seeing him once before looks a cracking player too.
Agree about Foakes looks classy there a lot of talent on show in truth the cupboard is not as bare as many will have you believe.
it justs needs chance now!!!
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, we need to go backwards with selection.
If we play leach, and even if we don't , bairstow is top 3 for me as a batsman only in the country, we need all of the runs purely as a batsman he can give.
We don't exactly have a load of players banging the door down batting wise. Ton for Northeast today, hameed,Jennings,Clarke,Livingstone all in the que and no real reason to pick any of them early season
Foakes in for me as a keeper and we should play Leach thru the summer. Bairstow as a specialist batsman
I really cannot see how it weakens our side if Foakes plays. With stokes at 6 and woakes in the side we have enough batting....on paper.....
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I will probably get shot down for this, but I still think Foakes is the better keeper than Bairstow; fantastic grab to win the game for us today, plus an excellent 2nd innings partnership with Pope where he put on 81
Why will you get shot down for it? If you are saying Foakes is the better keeper, I think that is more or less of a given. If you were saying that in a straight selection with only one slot available you would select Foakes, THEN you might get shot down.
The question really is, is Foakes close enough as a batsman to the level that someone like Clarke, Browne or Gubbins is at that it is worth taking the gloves off Jonny?
I know Bairstow wants to keep etc....but he's tall for a keeper and surely soon a certainty for all three formats. That being the case, his career will last longer if his knees are not being massacred...
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We don't exactly have a load of players banging the door down batting wise. Ton for Northeast today, hameed,Jennings,Clarke,Livingstone all in the que and no real reason to pick any of them early season
The most impressive innings so far have been from some players who are not qualified for England, plus Gary Ballance (please, no) and some players batting at the Kia Shirtfront...
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The most impressive innings so far have been from some players who are not qualified for England, plus Gary Ballance (please, no) and some players batting at the Kia Shirtfront...
James Bracey 120* in over 6 hours to almost save the game at Bristol not impressive from a young player? ;)
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The most impressive innings so far have been from some players who are not qualified for England, plus Gary Ballance (please, no) and some players batting at the Kia Shirtfront...
Yes pretty accurate that. It's too late for him but James hildreth got a ton the other day
I doubt many would disagree he is probably the best batsman who remains uncapped from the county scene.
Somerset has been known for being a good track to bat on, but quite right so is the Oval. Probably better in fact.
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James Bracey 120* in over 6 hours to almost save the game at Bristol not impressive from a young player? ;)
Yes very, and from Bristol? :)
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Yes very, and from Bristol? :)
He is indeed, and a nice kid too - well known around the local scene here. Has had a cracking start to his first class career!
Good to see a few more potential England candidates in the runs than in the first round, all up for grabs you suspect. Wouldn't rule Hildreth out!
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To the forumites who watch Surrey regularly, I see that Matt Dunn played and got a couple of wickets in the 2nd innings, how has he progressed? I remember watching him a few years ago and he looked a decent prospect but haven't heard much about him since then.
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Decent player, will probably play alternative matches with Meaker and Durnbach. Strong action. Was expensive today but got the key wicket of Northeast.
Not sure he will go all the way, but will be a good county pro.
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Injuries have pretty much hampered him, he's still quick but nowhere near as rapid. Delighted to see him back in around the side though, we need all the bowlers to chip in like this did this weekend
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Is it not likely that the first choice seam attack might be the two Currans, Morkel and Clarke?
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Of course if you were making a case against Kolpaks...
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Tricky - I don't want to be too harsh on Surrey, when they have improved in that regard in recent years. But....
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Is it not likely that the first choice seam attack might be the two Currans, Morkel and Clarke?
I don't think we'll see much of Tom as far as four day cricket is concerned right now; IPL now, probably comes back and straight into the Eng/Aus LOI series, then the Blast. Good chance for Dunn as well as Meaker to compete for a place.
Saw Morne on the outfield a few times over the weekend with his young kid; a very quick chat, but a very nice man.
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I like Tom Curran, but he's far from the finished article. It seems a shame that he is being pushed down the one-day specialist route.
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I like Tom Curran, but he's far from the finished article. It seems a shame that he is being pushed down the one-day specialist route.
Is he? Just because he has an ipl deal doesn’t mean he’s been pidgeon holed as a white ball only player, he only made his test debut this winter and with a good summer I think he’ll play a few more yet, especially if he can gain a bit of pace
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He only wound up making a test debut because the series had gone and there were about fifteen other seamers ahead of him who were injured. If there's any part of his game I want him to work on, it's being far less gobby than he currently is
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I think that is the point - he is perhaps not a first choice int he one day formats, but he is certainly a first choice reserve. In Tests, he does not do any one thing well enough to be more than a back up pick, and I would rather if we were going to pick 82mph right armers we went for craftsmen who have at least got significant Championship wickets behind them like Jamie Porter and Ben Coad.
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Is he? Just because he has an ipl deal doesn’t mean he’s been pidgeon holed as a white ball only player, he only made his test debut this winter and with a good summer I think he’ll play a few more yet, especially if he can gain a bit of pace
I just meant his one day commitments (highlighted by someone else) would mean he might not get to do the hard yards in the CC that would improve him as a bowler.
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like cut of Northeast`s jib/gib and his ability to bat long...likewise Luke Wells who also bowls tidily
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like cut of Northeast`s jib/gib and his ability to bat long...likewise Luke Wells who also bowls tidily
I agree. It’s shocked me not to see Luke Wells’ name not crop up once or twice for test honours
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Toby Roland-Jones out for the season with a re-occurrence of the stress fracture that kept him out of the ashes tour,
blow for England and Middlesex that!
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Not really a blow for England? He’s not getting close to the best side we could put out
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he did well when he played, i think he has a knack of getting wickets and would fit into our side much better than broad does at the minute,
he certainly wouldn't have been dropped if he was fit for the ashes
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He is a very good good wicket bowler, gives you nothing.
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Agree, TRJ would have been a first choice pick for me. A whole season out though... Gonna be tough to get back from that..especially given that he doesn't have any superstar qualities. If he was express I'm sure he'd get fast tracked back in, but as his pace, even though his record is good, I bet they don't pay as much attention
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What about Rory Burns?
He has an absolutely rascal moustache thing going on, but do guys think that’s his elevation to Surrey captain will help a push for a test call up?
Several consecutive seasons of 1000+ runs have been overlooked, too many 70s and not enough “daddy hundreds”?
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What about Rory Burns?
He has an absolutely rascal moustache thing going on, but do guys think that’s his elevation to Surrey captain will help a push for a test call up?
Several consecutive seasons of 1000+ runs have been overlooked, too many 70s and not enough “daddy hundreds”?
35 - 50’s
11 - 100’s
Decent that
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The selectors hate Surrey, so nah.
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The selectors hate Surrey, so nah.
Stoneman, Curran, Foakes, Ansari, Roy, Meaker...
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Batty
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Stoneman, Curran, Foakes, Ansari, Roy, Meaker...
When was the last time you saw Meaker play for England? What's Ansari up to nowadays?
Foakes has been excellent at carrying the drinks, yeah.
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Batty
A bright young talent who will go very, very far. Not close to Afridi though, he's a very promising career ahead of him.
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When was the last time you saw Meaker play for England? What's Ansari up to nowadays?
Foakes has been excellent at carrying the drinks, yeah.
All have been selected for England in the last decade, (say it quietly, but a few of whom clearly were never good enough )so to say they hate Surrey is nonsense.
Given they persisted with Dernbach for so long, plus selected Batty on the eve of his 150th birthday would say to me they even have a Surrey bias!
But that's too rational for a bitter Surrey fan ;)
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35 - 50’s
11 - 100’s
Decent that
Playing half his games on the world's biggest shirtfront, you'd hope for better though, especially on the conversion rate.
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The selectors hate Surrey, so nah.
Ha how you work that out then?
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Yorkshire all out for 96
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Yorkshire all out for 96
Did you also see that Renshaw got 112 out of Somerset's 216! That's ton no.2 for him already.
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Did you also see that Renshaw got 112 out of Somerset's 216! That's ton no.2 for him already.
and 50 all in boundaries
Off the mark with 6
50 with 6
100 with a 6
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Something good came out of the sandpaper scandal for us Somerset supporters.
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Something good came out of the sandpaper scandal for us Somerset supporters.
Just a bit, Bancroft only had one decent knock for Glos in the entire season!
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Poor from Yorkshire, disappointing after last week's result. Nice to see Harry Brook getting some opportunities though, hopefully fulfill his potential.
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Did you also see that Renshaw got 112 out of Somerset's 216! That's ton no.2 for him already.
By all accounts it was an incredible innings. Quickly identified that it was a really tough pitch and went for his shots.
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By all accounts it was an incredible innings. Quickly identified that it was a really tough pitch and went for his shots.
Saw a few clips on Twitter, some good shots down the ground over the top.
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What's the going rate in fines for this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcBklqkX4AAh6sJ?format=jpg)
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Maybe that's where he's hiding the sandpaper ;)
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Felt physically sick when I saw that earlier.
So the only opener in the country who's doing anything of note so far is an Australian. Ah.
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3 defeats from 3 for Worcestershire
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Anyone at the Essex game? Looks like bopara is using a gm according to the picture on thebbc sport live thread anyway
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Anyone at the Essex game? Looks like bopara is using a gm according to the picture on thebbc sport live thread anyway
SS TON gloves though, maybe he's just borrowing one of Ryan's bats because it's a Gunn.....
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What's the going rate in fines for this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcBklqkX4AAh6sJ?format=jpg)
Looks a tool but he did this to Rossouw's bat....
https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/990934709076086784?s=19
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Anyone at the Essex game? Looks like bopara is using a gm according to the picture on thebbc sport live thread anyway
SS TON gloves though, maybe he's just borrowing one of Ryan's bats because it's a Gunn.....
https://twitter.com/EssexCricket/status/990997359785103362?s=19
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Hameed has been dropped by Lancashire.
There goes his 2018 test recall hopes.
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Hameed has been dropped by Lancashire.
There goes his 2018 test recall hopes.
What we must remember is that he's still only 21!
While he clearly has the talent and looked very assured in his (brief) Test career, he's nowhere near the finished article yet.
He could have been propelled into the limelight too soon, and the weight if expectation may be a contributing factor to his form.
I for one am backing him to come back stronger, but we (England fans) can't pin all our hopes on him, as many seem guilty of. He's almost certain to get back into the side at some stage, and has time on his side to do so, but he was never going to be an overnight solution to the opening dilemma that's been a plague since Strauss' retirement.
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Jimmy has dyed his hair blonde
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Oh no, poor Yorkshire, the backbone of cricket in England
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Any streams that people know of?
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Surrey/Worcs here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSfGCgzLTQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSfGCgzLTQ)
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Oh no, poor Yorkshire, the backbone of cricket in England
Keep supping that Haterade
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Any streams that people know of?
i think notts are streaming theyre home games via the website again!
on a side note they need to sort there top order out!! libby mullaney and nash have done sweet f a so far! luckily the quicks are bailing us out!
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Looks like Yorkshire are on for a big total ;)
Root gone first ball.
45-9 last man in.
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Keep supping that Haterade
At 45/9 I might have to get a jug! :D
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Anyone know if there's a stream for Yorks? Any idea how the pitch is playing?
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Anyone know if there's a stream for Yorks? Any idea how the pitch is playing?
With streams etc I'd advise joining us folk at Reddit https://en.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/8gy0uo/match_thread_county_championship_round_4/
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Cheers Rick, what better way to spend a Friday than watching Yorkshires demise
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Hey, 50 is starting to look like a good total here...
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Jimmy has dyed his hair blonde
just seen this on twitter! not good!
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Hey, 50 is starting to look like a good total here...
I laughed at a tweet that said this just about appeals to mums and kids
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(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430676413230612502/441939491956064256/IMG_20180504_132920.jpg?width=901&height=644)
Still don't get it
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62-13
If it weren't for the fact that we tossed up and chose to bat first...
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Phillip Schofield with the new ball for Lancs
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An England qualified opener finally makes a ton this season... anyone know much about this Trescothick chap from Somerset, could he do ok for England?
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An England qualified opener finally makes a ton this season... anyone know much about this Trescothick chap from Somerset, could he do ok for England?
Just another white ball biffer I'm afraid @edge doesn't have the technique for the long game.
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100 for Tres! His 65th first class hundred in his career what a man
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Essex 142 all out
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Essex 142 all out
i wonder what the odds are on another yorkshire collapse and this being over today?
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BURNSY
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Interesting Bairstow opened 2nd dig for Yorks
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Interesting Bairstow opened 2nd dig for Yorks
Interesting yes, harsh on harry brook even more so! be interesting to see if brook or pujara comes out at 3 and where root will bat!
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Interesting yes, harsh on harry brook even more so! be interesting to see if brook or pujara comes out at 3 and where root will bat!
Watching the way YJB is approaching this, he's been sent out to take the attack to them!!
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50 for bairstow
17 behind
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One of the most interesting days I've spent at the cricket for a while. A pitch that looked like a 275 wicket played like a 120 pitch, and some superb bowling. Three players, aside from YJB's counterattack in the second dig, really stood out.
For Yorkshire, Harry Brook looked superb second time round.
For Essex, despite all the press, Porter looked average - probably the least threatening of the seven main seamers on display. Simon Cook, though, looked a serious prospect - some gas, allied to a really challenging length. Biggest props though went to Dan Lawrence. The pitch eased post 1500 but his runs were made against a decent attack when it was doing all sorts, and he looked serious quality.
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https://yorkshireccc.com/news/view/6552/match-highlights-essex-v-yorkshire-cc
Round up of day 1.
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Rory Burns must be putting pressure on Stoneman’s England spot with this knock!
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Good pitch as well, very even contest for bat and ball
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Rory Burns must be putting pressure on Stoneman’s England spot with this knock!
Whatever one might say about the pitches he has made most of his runs on, the two are batting ont he same decks at the moment and its not even close.
On a seperate note, who'd be a top order batsman with some of the pitches around. Tom Westly got a third straight duck yesterday, as did Aiden Markram.
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Yorkshire wrap up a big victory after being bowled out for 50 in the first innings.
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Yorkshire wrap up a big victory after being bowled out for 50 in the first innings.
I wonder if @rickjames needs some Hair of the Smug to wash down his Hatorade? :D :D :D
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Nah, being bowled out for 50 is still funny
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Nah, being bowled out for 50 is still funny
Not nearly as funny as doing it, and still winning by a hundred! ;)
I'm having so much fun inviting people to much on their words about this one :)
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Saw this and just thought it is a great example of experience and knowing a batsman.
Broad vs Vince.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BicxRQTjmtC/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BicxRQTjmtC/)
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Would appear Bopara now using Keeley bats, saw his using one on the highlights plus there's a pic of him on Tim's Instagram account of him picking some sticks up the other day.
https://youtu.be/e9B3BRc2yss (https://youtu.be/e9B3BRc2yss)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiPHoYYjCDr/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BiPHoYYjCDr/)
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2nd defeat of the season for Middlesex.
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Interesting game between Durham and Leics. Leics got 440 in their first innings and Durham had to follow on. Durham got 403 in their 2nd innings leaving Leics to get 148 to win. Leics went from 79/5 to 101 all out, giving the Pink Panthers the win.
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Is County cricket declining in quality? Jake Ball taking wickets for fun yet whenever he plays for England he's been absolute tosh.
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Interesting game between Durham and Leics. Leics got 440 in their first innings and Durham had to follow on. Durham got 403 in their 2nd innings leaving Leics to get 148 to win. Leics went from 79/5 to 101 all out, giving the Pink Panthers the win.
Not as cool as winning after being rolled for 50 but quite impressive nonetheless
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Is County cricket declining in quality? Jake Ball taking wickets for fun yet whenever he plays for England he's been absolute tosh.
Harsh, no?
He was bad in the one Ashes test, where his fitness was questionable at best. Otherwise, he's bowled better than his figures have suggested.
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Is County cricket declining in quality? Jake Ball taking wickets for fun yet whenever he plays for England he's been absolute tosh.
Isn't that same as it ever was, plenty of players have torn up trees in CC cricket and done SFA for England.
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Strong start from Warks, got Northants 33/4 after 10
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And now 52/6 :D
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Groundhog day...
"Some loose Somerset seam bowling on a greenish pitch was heavily punished by James Vince, who raced to a typically stylish 44 from 43 balls, before edging an outswinger from Tom Abell"
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My man GubGub in the runs again - wonder if he will get a look in with Engerland?
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Watching the Surrey vs Yorkshire game at work, Elgar looks class and Olly Pope looks like he could become a great future prospect
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Watching the Surrey vs Yorkshire game at work, Elgar looks class and Olly Pope looks like he could become a great future prospect
Olly Pope is a great prospect. Best young batter in the Surrey team.
However a terrible day for Stoneman, Burns, Borthwick and Foakes all looking to impress the England captain.
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What on earth is this partnership from Northants?! Aggressive too
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What on earth is this partnership from Northants?! Aggressive too
Northants have previous. There lower order seems to bail them quite often.
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Pope is good, seriously good. For 20 years old he doesn't look phased at any point whatsoever.
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Currently 87no with a ton already this year and against a decent Yorkshire attack.
Yep all the current England crop have had terrible county games so far so maybe the outside chance of a new face or two come the Pakistan series
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100 for Pope. On a pitch that is offering something to the bowlers.
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Here we go again...
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Haseeb hameed....out for nothing again current average about 3, highly rated by many, including myself :)
Is there a lesson that this game teaches you you are never as good as you think you are(Sanga)
So note to the forum and yours truly, do not get too down on low scores and a bad trot keeping working at it, if it can happen to the pros it can and will happen to us clubbies.
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So note to the forum and yours truly, do not get too down on low scores and a bad trot keeping working at it, if it can happen to the pros it can and will happen to us clubbies.
I've been getting low scores because I'm in a bad trot for 12 years now!
Actually I think that's long enough to conclude I'm not in bad form, I'm just Shi... :(
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Looks like Keaton Jennings is making his move to get back into the Test side another century yesterday.
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Yes England didn't want to drop him in the first place I don't think as they invested time in a young player
Another ton as well for Joe Clarke who might be close as well....if England make any changes
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They certainly saw something in Jennings that they liked - his attitude seemed to be very good, even when he couldn't buy a run.
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They certainly saw something in Jennings that they liked - his attitude seemed to be very good, even when he couldn't buy a run.
Got to remember new Selection panel so all starts a fresh really.
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Got to remember new Selection panel so all starts a fresh really.
Bayliss is a constant though.
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Seems like this Oval deck is favouring the gingers
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Good old Pujara fine and dandy on flat pitches yet get him against the moving ball and he’s absolutely awful. In the upcoming series against India he’s a guaranteed wicket for anyone with the good fortune of bowling at him
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Only a Young man but Virdi has some decent scalps already in professional cricket!
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Good old Pujara fine and dandy on flat pitches yet get him against the moving ball and he’s absolutely awful. In the upcoming series against India he’s a guaranteed wicket for anyone with the good fortune of bowling at him
Average of 12.5 for the season. Not what you want from your overseas player.
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Average of 12.5 for the season. Not what you want from your overseas player.
The hype this geezer gets is ridiculous tbh.
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Sammy boy has played an absolute blinder. Can't believe Surrey might win a 4 day game in May!
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Our moneybag academy players win it for us! What a performance.
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Just a couple of days after an interview with Michael Vaughan that none of the Eng u19 players play county cricket.
I suspect he will be on the radio next saying what a great player Sam is... argh.
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Curran has definitely put on a bit of pace over the winter, to the extent that you don't naturally recognise him as a nineteen year old.
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We can thank Ryan Sidebottom for his work with Sam for that...
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Has he been there long enough?
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We can thank Ryan Sidebottom for his work with Sam for that...
Just to note that Morkel was 12th man today and having a few words with him every now and then after a wicket had gone. Something worked!
Also Leach has broken his left thumb, I'm really hoping they don't rush in with Virdi...
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Just a couple of days after an interview with Michael Vaughan that none of the Eng u19 players play county cricket.
I suspect he will be on the radio next saying what a great player Sam is... argh.
Sorry, should have said Virdi...
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spent an enjoyable day at the cricket yesterday down at Taunton. Bess' innings was superb to watch. Hildreth's dismissal was dissappointing but he had so much time to play the ball. Amazed he hasnt had a call up
Watched Vince and Amla in the evening session and they were both a class above
great days play
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Rory Burns with another ton. Just saying.
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Rory Burns with another ton. Just saying.
Who knows, he might get 6 months of Tests and average about 20?
I say leave him where he is, but feel sure "why, oh why?" will start soon.
Anyway, not an England thread...
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Rory Burns with another ton. Just saying.
Against a reasonable bowling attack too.
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Getting a little concerned with young Renshaw's form...we might have a situation where an Australian opener can actually play against the moving ball...
Elsewhere Ben Duckett's stock continues to fall. How he was billed as the 'English Warner' I'll never know. Nothing more than a fat slogger.
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Rikki Clarke, county grinder. Big, big statement of this team if they can can knock off Hants today
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Rikki Clarke, county grinder.
Much better than that.
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Much better than that.
Well, yeah, I say that tongue in cheek!
Got them 2 down now, come on the Rey!
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Much better than that.
Agreed - one of those lost talents.
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An absolute jaffa from Morkel. Should still be playing test cricket.
https://twitter.com/surreycricket/status/1006169352410947584
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Big win for the boys! Can we play Hampshire every week?
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Surrey’s full strength bowling attack is pretty darn good!
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Surrey’s full strength bowling attack is pretty darn good!
Yes, it will be when Tom's back.
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What a fightback from Durham. Could go on to win against Derbyshire.
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What a fightback from Durham. Could go on to win against Derbyshire.
80 odd extras!!
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All going quite nicely down at Guildford which of recent times has been an awful ground for us. Another 50 for Rory Burns in a heavily depleted Surrey lineup, but good chance for Pope to show his glovework and Jacks making his Champo debut
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Pujara is really Steyn's bitch. The South African got him for a blob in the 50 overs and the 4 day stuff
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Stoneman missing for 'family reasons'.
Still never been to Guildford. :(
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Who's the Surrey batsman in this picture? Using a Keeley?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket)
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Sorry, picture now changed. May have been Harinath. Sure I saw him using SF earlier in season.
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Pujara is really Steyn's bitch. The South African got him for a blob in the 50 overs and the 4 day stuff
Quite.
Which brings me to my moan about the state of English cricket today of the day.
Yorkshire - seven players missing with England and the Lions - still manage to field nine home grown players plus one who has been with the county since he was 17. But come up against a Kolpakshire side whose attack is made up of three Yarpies, A West Indian, an Aussie and a Brit (who unfortunately doesn't actually play for them). Whats the point?
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Sorry, picture now changed. May have been Harinath. Sure I saw him using SF earlier in season.
Probably Ryan Patel
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To be fair Surrey's side is full of teenagers!
But Ollie Pope is the next big thing.
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To be fair Surrey's side is full of teenagers!
But Ollie Pope is the next big thing.
Maybe - but I'd put my money on Virdi instead. Pope has a lot of competition in the 20 year old prodigy stakes - Clarke, Brook, Burnham post ban, Jack's even.
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Probably Ryan Patel
Oh yeah!
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Damn the moneybag Surrey and their academy graduates scoring centuries
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Maybe - but I'd put my money on Virdi instead. Pope has a lot of competition in the 20 year old prodigy stakes - Clarke, Brook, Burnham post ban, Jack's even.
None if that lot have scored 4 tons in their first 12 games. Jacks is more if a one day hitter at the moment. But talented.
In the upcoming hit and giggle stuff, keep your eye on Philip Salt of Sussex.
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Damn the moneybag Surrey and their academy graduates scoring centuries
Nice to see them playing their own kids at last
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Damn the moneybag Surrey and their academy graduates scoring centuries
Not many from state education. So moneybags academy graduates?
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Not many from state education. So moneybags academy graduates?
Surrey are very good at arranging scholarships for talented cricketers...
Nice to see them playing their own kids at last
At last?
Surrey's record of player their home grown talent is very solid.
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South Africa’s ageing star man Dale Steyn still got it, 5-59 against People’s Republic of Yorkshire.
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Has Haseeb Hameed lost confidence post that severe finger injury or is he just in a slump? Renshaw went through a similar rough patch but in now back in the runs
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Ryan Patel, Surrey academy graduate. 6 wickets, 11 balls, 5 runs.
Buying the title, innit
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Ryan Patel! What a Spell.
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Must have Keeley bowling boots too!
Anyone there?
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My Dad was at Guildford today. He has had a brilliant time of it!
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Incredible spell considering Woodbridge Road is considered an absolute road by most, and Surrey's first innings also backing that theory up.
The great thing about Surrey's academy is that the talent doesn't stop at Pope, Patel, Jacks and Virdi. There are plenty of talented 17 and 18 year olds making their way through. Also good to see all the young players doing it in the championship too and not just specialising in the white ball stuff
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At last?
Surrey's record of player their home grown talent is very solid.
Realistically, yes. The last three years, there has been a move to give youth its head. Before that? This is the county who routinely signed any early 30s county Star to try and buy the title. Even now, there is a heavy Yarpies influence around the squad.
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Can't believe we might win a game at Guildford!
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In the upcoming hit and giggle stuff, keep your eye on Philip Salt of Sussex.
I see he made a century at Arundel the other day, alongside Tom Haines who, when he was a precociously talented 13 year old, was a teammate of mine a few years ago, we even had a decent partnership in one game. His career seems to have taken off in a direction mine never will :(
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Realistically, yes. The last three years, there has been a move to give youth its head. Before that? This is the county who routinely signed any early 30s county Star to try and buy the title. Even now, there is a heavy Yarpies influence around the squad.
Clarke, Durnbach, Meaker, Sibley, the holioake brothers, butcher, thorpe, Stewart, the bicknells, Alex Tudor.
Then there are all the Surrey players around the counties, from Laurie Evans, to ashley giles.
I was chatting to Keith Medlecott the former coach about them all on Wednesday.
This surrey don't play their home grown talent thing us garbage.
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GET IN LADS! Now there's this feeling we can maybe win the division after all!
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GET IN LADS! Now there's this feeling we can maybe win the division after all!
A bit of a gap has opened against the chasing pack with the win.
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Not even halfway through yet!
Scarbaydos next week for surrey against half the flat cappers first team. Going to be a decent contest
(https://s26.postimg.cc/lpy48bd4p/IMG_20180622_163253.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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This surrey don't play their home grown talent thing us garbage.
Really? I'd say there is another side to that argument. The one that parachutes in Kolpaks like nobodies business (Rampaul, Pillan's, McKerr, Morkel in the two years alone) and brings in a wealth of hired stars from the shires (Borthwick, Stoneman, Foakes, Batty, Solanki, KP, Jon Lewis, Tremlett, Davies, Afzaal...). I don't see how you can disagree that that is not playing your youngsters...
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Urm Batty came through the Surrey youth system.
As did many others. KP joined us because no one else would have him, Rampaul was a comedy signing by any measure. As for the others, all sides supplement their team. Look at Tendulkar, Pujara, Ballance etc.
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How on Earth do you class Foakes as a 'star'? He couldn't get a game at Essex and came here, I would say he's only on the England radar now we've given him the clubs
Rampaul is gone, McKerr and Pillans both have UK passports so aren't kolpaks, plus they're both injured right now.
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Urm Batty came through the Surrey youth system.
Was that before or after he came through ours? ;)
As did many others. KP joined us because no one else would have him, Rampaul was a comedy signing by any measure. As for the others, all sides supplement their team. Look at Tendulkar, Pujara, Ballance etc.
Well, if you're citing Ballance, surely you'd accept that Sam and Tom Curran, Dernbach and Meaker are in every bit the same boat? :)
I agree that all sides supplement from outside - I just would have thought you would accept that until the last 12-18 months, Surrey have done it far more than most. You make mention of Yorkshire - but in the 28 years since they allowed players both outside the county boundaries to play, how many players have they taken from other counties? I can think of Richard Harden, Richard Stemp, Jack Brooks and David Willey (Plunkett and TKC both having played age group cricket for Yorkshire) plus the lad whose name escapes me who we signed for a year after he left Northants. We've had two Kolpaks - Rudolph and Kruis - though have rejected that route for almost a decade now....
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How on Earth do you class Foakes as a 'star'? He couldn't get a game at Essex and came here, I would say he's only on the England radar now we've given him the clubs
Incorrect - he couldn't get a game *as a keeper* at Essex. They wanted to keep him, and made hima good offer to stay, and there were half a dozen counties in for his signature. I'd say that makes him worthy of mention?
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Curren's yes, the other two no, they came through Guildford as kids
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Curren's yes, the other two no, they came through Guildford as kids
Didn't Meaker play at Normandy, not Guildford? But close enough yes. And he's been in England since he was very young, prep school sort of age, so I'd agree he definitely counts as a home grown player
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Curren's yes, the other two no, they came through Guildford as kids
Ballance came to the UK aged 13...
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Just quietly - Warwickshire could do something very special tomorrow...!
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3 tons on the trot for Ian bell
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Sibley doing well too.
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Really? I'd say there is another side to that argument. The one that parachutes in Kolpaks like nobodies business (Rampaul, Pillan's, McKerr, Morkel in the two years alone) and brings in a wealth of hired stars from the shires (Borthwick, Stoneman, Foakes, Batty, Solanki, KP, Jon Lewis, Tremlett, Davies, Afzaal...). I don't see how you can disagree that that is not playing your youngsters...
i've never known someone to be so obsessed with a county they don't support
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Ballance came to the UK aged 13...
Didn't he put in a man of the match winning performance against England in the u19 world cup back when he was 16?
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Oh what I'd give to be in Scarbados right now
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Oh what I'd give to be in Scarbados right now
It is quite lovely!
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Amar Virdi is a fine, fine player
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Yorkshire's top order has been poor all season.
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Have to give some credit to our bowlers here, a real team effort
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Have to give some credit to our bowlers here, a real team effort
An odd days play - managed to get in early enough to have a look at the pitch before the toss, and it looked like a wicket that you might have fancied a bowl on, yet both sides wanted to bat, influenced, you suspect, by the desire not to be starting off at high tide in the two coming afternoons.
I'd say at close of play, honours are more or less even. Dernbach was the standout for Surrey - shorn of all the silly variations, he is a decent low 80s swing bowler, and he hit a great length throughout. Big Morne was Big Morne - looked threatening, but bowled a yard too short throughout. He also finished the day with one of the worst overs I've ever seen. Virdi had one good over - though he appeared lucky with one of the wickets - but was generally unthreatening, though accurate. He was much better at The Oval earlier in the year.
For Yorkshire (seconds - though for once we were only 7-4 up on the absentee list), Ballance and Lyth showed their quality, whilst Jonny Tattersall played another really good knock - shushing some of the members, who are gutted at the treatment Andy Hodd has received.
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Some poor bowling from us towards the end. God knows what's wrong with Stoneman, just can't buy a run.
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Some poor bowling from us towards the end. God knows what's wrong with Stoneman, just can't buy a run.
He's still averaging twice as much as Hameed, poor lad's never looked the same since that finger injury.
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Some poor bowling from us towards the end. God knows what's wrong with Stoneman, just can't buy a run.
and he usually makes stacks against us. :o
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Yorkshire awarded 5 penalty runs after Stoneman's dissent after being given out. Let the team down when you do things like that.
50 up for Burns, you already know what I think of him.
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Yorkshire awarded 5 penalty runs after Stoneman's dissent after being given out. Let the team down when you do things like that.
Sheesh, I wonder how many I should've been docked on Saturday! ;)
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Sheesh, I wonder how many I should've been docked on Saturday! ;)
I didn't see the end of yesterday but apparently there was an offence involving Clarke/Morkel losing it a bit, umpires had spoken to Burns several times about whatever it was
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Two offences added together.
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I didn't see the end of yesterday but apparently there was an offence involving Clarke/Morkel losing it a bit, umpires had spoken to Burns several times about whatever it was
Morkel's last over was a disgrace, and he was repeatedly no balled, but I didn't pick up on particular aggro.
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I'm not gonna lie, I do feel a bit dirty having a bloke like Morkel as a kolpak when he's terrorising teams like today
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I'm not gonna lie, I do feel a bit dirty having a bloke like Morkel as a kolpak when he's terrorising teams like today
I feel more guilty about a no.5 bat dropping in for rwo games.
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I feel more guilty about a no.5 bat dropping in for rwo games.
Well, that lad from India was supposed to be around.
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Apparently the Surrey players received a lot of abuse from the crowd at Scarborough, including an incident of racial abuse towards one player who hasn't been named but most people seem to think is Ryan Patel.
If true, this is absolutely horrendous and hopefully the ECB and Yorkshire act very strongly
http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/23923118/scarborough-spectator-cited-racist-abuse (http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/23923118/scarborough-spectator-cited-racist-abuse)
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Well, that lad from India was supposed to be around.
Same.
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Is Rory Burns good?
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Is Rory Burns good?
If he wasn't a better player than Stoneman last season, I don't suppose he is now.
Burns is in form. Stoneman isn't.
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Apparently the Surrey players received a lot of abuse from the crowd at Scarborough, including an incident of racial abuse towards one player who hasn't been named but most people seem to think is Ryan Patel.
If true, this is absolutely horrendous and hopefully the ECB and Yorkshire act very strongly
[url]http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/23923118/scarborough-spectator-cited-racist-abuse[/url] ([url]http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/23923118/scarborough-spectator-cited-racist-abuse[/url])
I wasn't there today, so can only comment in general terms. The atmosphere at Scarborough is different to most county cricket - there are actual people there - but in my experience it is respectful of good cricket - the Cricinfo report highlights the applause Amar Virdi got on day one. It can be harsh on poor cricket and behaviour - though my only real example is the barracking Samit Patel got a couple of years ago when he refused to chase balls in the field.
So...if this is true, and there was genuine rascist abuse, you'd hope the fan concerned would be banned and if appropriate prosecuted. I just hope this is not a player coming from the snowflake generation taking offence at nothing.
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Is Rory Burns good?
Of course. He was good in the first innings, left the ball well. Is he test class? I'm not convinced, but I can see why his supporters would argue he deserves to be given a chance.
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I applaud the 'snowflake generation' for not throwing bananas at black footballers.
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I applaud the 'snowflake generation' for not throwing bananas at black footballers.
Please, explain...
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A racist comment is a racist comment. There is nothing 'snowflake' about objecting to it. It is progress that incidents like this are treated so seriously.
If you are going to start typecasting and criticising whole 'generations' of people, perhaps take a look at your own?
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I just hope this is not a player coming from the snowflake generation taking offence at nothing.
what a ridiculous comment. Doesn't matter how "weak" the insult may be if there is any hint of racism attached to it throw the book at the fan and the club. Its disgusting that this should even be a thing these days and even more disgusting that any attempts to report it and stop it are treated as it being a youngster being over sensitive
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what a ridiculous comment. Doesn't matter how "weak" the insult may be if there is any hint of racism attached to it throw the book at the fan and the club. Its disgusting that this should even be a thing these days and even more disgusting that any attempts to report it and stop it are treated as it being a youngster being over sensitive
I'm sorry, but the ridiculous (and ridiculously reactionary) comment is yours, and I hope in slower time you will reconsider and retract.
At the moment, there is an unverified/uncorroborated allegation, with no details in the public forum of what was alleged to have taken place. Of course, if it is evidenced that something offensive was said then action has to be taken, one would assume by the Police (though the repsonsibility for an isolated incident is on the person making the comment, not the club whose game it happened to occur at) - and the player should be supported in that process.
But it is not unreasonable - this in a time when I read on my way into work this morning that the National Gallery had been accused of "rascism to those who don't like paintings", when people confuse and intersperse race/religion/nationality/gender/identity etc, when you can be accused of "rascism" for tweeting that you don't like Mexican food and many other such examples - to want to know what was actually said and judge accordingly, rather than leap to judgement. Having done a lot of work in the area of equal opportunities, it concerns me greatly that the move within society to rush to take offence - and I am speaking now in generalist terms rather than about this incident - and to cite alleged rascism (you can insert many other isms here) - has the net effect of cheapening those occasions when real and damaging discrimination and abuse occurs.
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Oh look everyone - a row!
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Just to throw out there that I have read a number of tweets from people who were there and it isn't very impressive from a Yorkshire perspective.
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A racist comment is a racist comment. There is nothing 'snowflake' about objecting to it. It is progress that incidents like this are treated so seriously.
Please see my previous comment on this point; we do not know what was said, and are dealing at this stage with an unsubstantiated allegation. It is of course right that these things should be investigated, but I do not see why it follows that we should hear that as yet unsubstantiated and detail free allegation and assume that *of course* something terrible has happened, and that heads have GOT to roll over it. If we are talking about, to use your example, monkey chants, then of course that is horrendous, and arrest and prosecution is the only way forward - but there are numerous other possibilities which would require a much different response.
If you are going to start typecasting and criticising whole 'generations' of people, perhaps take a look at your own?
Which generation is that then? As far as I'm aware, we've never met and you know nothing about me to assume which generation I should represent in your eyes...
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Just to throw out there that I have read a number of tweets from people who were there and it isn't very impressive from a Yorkshire perspective.
You have the rest of us at a disadvantage then - care to share? :)
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See Rikki Clarke's timeline and also Petermayboys
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Slowly on the cusp of a lovely victory.
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Players don’t report fans to umpires on a whim. Clubs dont publicly state theyre reporting an incident to the ECB without being confident that incident took place.
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I think it's impossible to expect a club to prevent something like that happening. Doesn't reflect well on the host team, but ultimately all you need is one moron to ruin things for everyone else.
Hopefully they'll find whomever is responsible and deal with it, but shouldn't be allowed to detract from a game between two top sides that has been hotly contested.
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You beauties! Championship credentials are showing themselves, I think.
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Pitchforks are out again
Let's deduct 100points from Yorkshire and take away some more of our best players
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Which generation is that then? As far as I'm aware, we've never met and you know nothing about me to assume which generation I should represent in your eyes...
Since you are keen on distancing yourself from the so-called 'snowflake' generation I am assuming you belong to a previous one. You like labelling generations; you give it a name?
Previous 'generations' tolerated more racism in sport. I myself feel shame about not saying anything about incidents I have witnessed.
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You beauties! Championship credentials are showing themselves, I think.
Would have been more satisfying if Harinath had batted at 5.
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By the end of this round of championship games Yorkshire could be in the bottom 2.
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Previous 'generations' tolerated more racism in sport. I myself feel shame about not saying anything about incidents I have witnessed.
So, where have I "tolerated rascism in sport"? I think you will find that all I have advocated is a proper analysis of the evidence.
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By the end of this round of championship games Yorkshire could be in the bottom 2.
Almost certain, I should say.
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See Rikki Clarke's timeline and also Petermayboys
Can't find Rikki Clarke's, the other one...given his rather offensive characterisation of the local people? 😎 Good job I'm not a snowflake...
And now, being serious, there appear to have been two issues here as the Telegraph refers to day one and those tweets to Patel's innings which was day two - there are also references to nothing been found AND people being ejected. Curiouser...
Having been there on day one, I am surprised as the atmosphere, apart from the usual "eeeeeeooooooorrrrkkkssshhiirree" crap, was excellent - though that report does refer to an isolated incident. Can't speak for day two on.
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The most important thing here is that Ryan Patel's Keeley bat looked amazing and hit some pure shots today.
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The most important thing here is that Ryan Patel's Keeley bat looked amazing and hit some pure shots today.
Quite sad I didn't get to see him bat - he looked okay at the Oval last year, would have been good to see him on a sporting wicket.
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Championship starts up again today and lots of England players playing. This is what it is all about the top players playing 4 day cricket etc...
England players and prospects playing -
Root
Bairstow
Butler
Anderson
Jennings
Ali
Leach
Overton
Curran
Burns
Pope
Broad
Ball
Gubbins
Malan
Woakes
Stokes
Wood
Interestingly Bess isn't playing for Somerset and Rashid isn't for Yorkshire.
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Rashid only plays white ball cricket now so it's no real surprise he isn't playing...
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Don't think you'll get three better scalps in a hat trick than Jordan Clark has just done.
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Wow!
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Incredible. Getting 3 top batsman in world cricket.
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Incredible. Getting 3 top batsman in world cricket.
Amazing hat-trick.
Lots of wickets around, Middlesex, Notts, Kent in trouble
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Amazing hat-trick.
Lots of wickets around, Middlesex, Notts, Kent in trouble
It's been a while since batsmen have seen (or not seen?) a red ball?
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It's been a while since batsmen have seen (or not seen?) a red ball?
Yeah, I'm.sure they won't have so much as faced one in the nets since their last red ball game...
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Wasn't really a comment on the characteristics of the actual ball. More the mindset and temperament required for batting in the longer form of the game. Innings aren't played in the nets. It is becoming widely acknowledged that they are difficulties involved with switching from T20 to championship cricket.
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19 wickets in a day? York’s vs Lancs.
Lancs all out 80 odd behind with livinsgstone not batting.
They scored more in total in the 17seventeen.......
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Wasn't really a comment on the characteristics of the actual ball. More the mindset and temperament required for batting in the longer form of the game. Innings aren't played in the nets. It is becoming widely acknowledged that they are difficulties involved with switching from T20 to championship cricket.
unless you're Rory Burns of course
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Captaincy hasn't phased Burns one bit. Feeling good about winning Div 1 now
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Captaincy hasn't phased Burns one bit. Feeling good about winning Div 1 now
You could actually do what we did a couple of years back in terms of margin!
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If you are able to go to Trent Bridge tomorrow it could be a top day. Aaron Finch coming in next (ok, could end with a zero) but he is in super form and hits is a mile. Plus Ollie Pope and Foakes can play too.
Top day for Surrey.
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Going up tomorrow. Kind of wish I'd made a few days of it.
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Jason Roy not picked for Surrey, or injured?
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Injured
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Roses match getting interesting!
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Don't need to tell you how good Rory Burns is
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Stokes has a michelle for Durham after 23.3 overs, so clearly fit to bowl a decent amount of overs in the tests
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0 and 1 for Kane Williamson, incredible. I'd feel robbed if I'd gone to watch though, fantastic player.
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50 for both Brook and Bairstow - Bairstow dropped on about 20 odd, radio said it was an absolute dolly...... wonder how costly it will be!
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Very much enjoying this Surrey innings
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I said Rikki Clarke was a great signing when it was first announced. :)
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Another imminent innings victory. This is all looking rather lovely.
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A crushing victory over the Vile Weed! This Root kid is a decent offie...
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Lancs have been poop this year. Batting has been abysmal, other than the occasional tail end bale out. Not sure if Livingstone will last as skipper
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Lancs have been poop this year. Batting has been abysmal, other than the occasional tail end bale out. Not sure if Livingstone will last as skipper
It was evident on Friday that Butler was more involved then Livingstone when the game was getting close at the the end. The question would be though who would be a better option given that it is a young squad.
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Not sure what the do is with Crofty. I know he's not a spectacular performer, but he's a great servant of the club and always seemed to have done well as skip. Otherwise it's yoofs or kolpac innit
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Been at the Oval for the last few days for the D/N game. Pink Kookburra doesn't really do much and at this time of the year the lights only really take effect for what, an hour? All for D/N games, but I hope this years test shows they should stick with the the Duke
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Morne Morkel you beautiful man! Thriller of a game anyway!
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I am also there. Low scoring game if the ball isn't doing anything?
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I am also there. Low scoring game if the ball isn't doing anything?
Largely down to some poor shot decisions and some embarrassing runouts from both Clarke and Harinath.
Naturally I'm delighted to have a player like Morkel, but it's clear from the off he should still be playing international cricket rather than tearing county sides apart.
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Looks like Middx might pull something out of the bag after following on. Silly boys!
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Ball has been hitting the pads and going past the outside edge loads.
I don't think you can possibly make a judgement about the performance of the ball unless you are out there bowling with it or facing it.
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Bloody hell, what a catch by Jacks
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I'm prepared to shoot myself in the foot, but after bowling Notts out for 101 I think we're going to win Division 1
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Is this guy playing for Warwickshire who scored 200 today, Bell I think his name is, is he a Kolpak or something, I mean he has almost scored as many runs as Rory Burns this summer...
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That fella you talk about - Bell is it? He's good, but I don't reckon he's a Test Match top 3 batter whilst he's got a hole in his clapper! So it rather defeats the object............
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Lots of attention/pressure on the England qualifying openers this morning then?
What an opportunity for them.
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Lots of attention/pressure on the England qualifying openers this morning then?
What an opportunity for them.
Who are the realistic candidates?
Burns
Mitchell
Gubbins (probably needs to stay fit for a season first)
maybe Vince, Denly or Bell as a bit of an outside punt.
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Burns apparently struggling against Essex with a few streaky boundaries, though less so than Stoneman whom is out already.
Mitchell and Gubbins should definitely be worth a look. Lots of talk around Denly, whom is batting now, as well and heard that they've been looking at Salt from Sussex as a potential ODI player for a while - could put his name in the hat with a decent performance today.
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Interestingly Vince hasn't gone in at 3 after an early wicket at Worcester. Mitchell and Clarke in the field.
Raining at Edgbaston for Bell
Gubbins in the field at Bristol
And as people have said Burns and Denly currently not out at Chelmsford and Canterbury
Going to be interesting if someone gets a big score.
EDIT: Apparently James Taylor at Chelmsford watching Burns
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Just looked at the Surrey lineup, quite a batting order for a Championship game, imagine if they still had Sanga in there as well.
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Burns passes 50 and 1000 runs for the season again.
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Lancashire 99 AO!! Leach 5/28 on the 1st day, all be it at Taunton. Jamie Overton also 3 for - maybe an outside bet for a winter tour spot
Burns still going 69*
Bell, Vince and Denley out cheaply.
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Lancs have been toilet this year
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Lancs have been toilet this year
Really missing Livingstone too.
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@Kulli you think? They were doing even worse with him in the team!
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As a batter yes.
Weather taken a turn in the Uk? seems to be a few seamer friendly decks today!
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As a batter yes.
Weather taken a turn in the Uk? seems to be a few seamer friendly decks today!
Seems a very mixed day - Notts and Surrey making loads but as you say lots of wickets elsewhere..... not sure how we have bowled Kent out for 137!
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Somerset now 62-5! 15 wickets in 55 overs on the 1st day!
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Only seen highlights from Worcs, nearly all caught behind driving there. Wonder if the colder weather has played a role.
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Seems a very mixed day - Notts and Surrey making loads but as you say lots of wickets elsewhere..... not sure how we have bowled Kent out for 137!
Saw Ben Slater had made a 100 in quick time. Good player on his day, especially in one day cricket.
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I didn't realise that Duckett had signed for this season at Notts, gone straight in at number 4. what with Slater on loan and Brathwaite the OS, it is a virtually new top 4 for Notts
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I didn't realise that Duckett had signed for this season at Notts, gone straight in at number 4. what with Slater on loan and Brathwaite the OS, it is a virtually new top 4 for Notts
Slater has signed a 3-4 year deal, hasn't he?
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Ahj, see they have both signed, but are on loan until the end of the season.
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Mitchell batting now as well. Burns out for 90.
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19 wickets (as I speak) falling on Day 1 is absolutely farcical
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22 now and 18 in the Kent game :o
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Replacement opener required for left handed who likes a cut, can go long periods without scoring many but then cashes in big when he hits form? Step forward Chris Dent.
Mitchell to open the batting for England this winter is a ridiculous idea, as is Bell. They haven't dropped Jennings and he does have a test ton in India, so it'd be a surprise if first test Jennings and Burns don't walk out together. Backup is obviously needed, preferably versatile as England don't like taking many spare batsmen on tour, and preferably right handed as our top 3 will all be lefties. Denly gives an extra spin option which brings him into contention, expect Vince will go as he could be an opening candidate if required. Then there's probably only one spot left, likely from the army of spare keepers - Pope/Clarke/Foakes. Oh and 1.5 spots need to be reserved for Samit!
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So Lancs 119/7 a lead of just 26, as Leach takes his 10th wicket of the match before Lunch on the 2nd day!
Lots of talk about the pitch, but is it that or poor batting, good bowling, combination of all 3?
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Guess we'll see what the umpires/referee say with the pitch report.
In other news, Morne Morkel is lovely
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12-3 chasing 78, ahahaha
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12-3 chasing 78, ahahaha
The CC has been absolutely loopy over the last few days! Sides are struggling to get 125-150.
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28-5 now
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The bounce at Taunton seemed fairly consistent when I was down there this morning. It seems to be doing a bit off the seam and taking spin.
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In b4 'it's not the pitch'
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6 down now
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Lancs might be favourites now..... 43-6..... still need 35
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Lancs might be favourites now..... 43-6..... still need 35
Bonkers game, think Somerset probably have enough in the tail to do it, one of Gregory or JOverton to have a bit of a slog to try and see them home while the rest block I'd guess.
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63-8. I mean, sure.
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63-8. I mean, sure.
IT'S A TIE!!!
Somerset bowled out for 77!!
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Some game, regardless of what the pitch was like!
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Two for Tommy this morning. I am now 99% sure we are going to win Div 1 now.
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Another ton for Rory Burns
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How have Hampshire gotten away with fielding Steyn, Abbott, Edwards and Roussow? Seems a bit unfair
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Well, 3 of them are Kolpaks
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Holland is an Aussie too isn’t he?bit embarrassing to go a full game without a ball bowled by an English qualified player isn’t it.
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Hardly the first time they've done it, is it?
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Hardly the first time they've done it, is it?
Indeed, no less irritating each time I notice though. Hopefully the one positive from Brexit is an end to Kolpaks.
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Indeed, no less irritating each time I notice though. Hopefully the one positive from Brexit is an end to Kolpaks.
Possibly (though I think we should all steer clear of the Brexit debate, eh?). I don't think I mind a limited amount of importing, but when you have a side whose entire first choice attack are non England qualified, as are their first two reserves...
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Hopefully the one positive from Brexit is an end to Kolpaks.
Why do you think they've all come over this year... won't be getting sent back to SA I shouldn't have thought. Clever move on the SA players part really.
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Why do you think they've all come over this year... won't be getting sent back to SA I shouldn't have thought. Clever move on the SA players part really.
Indeed, don't blame them either, decent cash and security.
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Suffice to say this Surrey bowling attack is showing it's true quality
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Morne Morkel is showing it's his quality
Fixed that for you ;)
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Fixed that for you ;)
I do know where you're coming from as Morne's got his 50th today, but Clarke's not that far behind him!
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This Warwickshire side is very strong - interesting who’ll replace Wright and Trott next season.
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This Warwickshire side is very strong - interesting who’ll replace Wright and Trott next season.
They've raided Gloucestershire for young quicks so that's Wright covered! Should be a serious selection debate for the seamers. Good luck replacing Trott though.
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Surrey win the Champo, well played. 9 wins from the last 9 matches.
Morne Morkel has been absolutely magnificent.
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REY
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Crate of champagne en route to the Ageas to thank Hampshire for turning over Somerset in 2 days? ;)
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Jason Roy not quite going the full John Terry
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A lovely bunch of lads
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At least John Terry was involved earlier in the campaign!
No seriously, the best playe...sorry, side, has won this year and it is nice to see Surrey playing some of their own youth. Well done.
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13 rounds later and Jason Roy makes his first appearance of the season. Rejoice!
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Worcester having a t20 related hangover? Porter ripped through them this morning!
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Interesting, Roy is batting at 3.... a position which could be available in the test side!
Anybody else think that could be superb?!?!?
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Interesting, Roy is batting at 3.... a position which could be available in the test side!
Anybody else think that could be superb?!?!?
Another dashing stoke maker with a questionable 1st class average, just what the top order needs ;)
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Another dashing stoke maker with a questionable 1st class average, just what the top order needs ;)
Exactly.... The selectors could look at this the same way ad they did Butler. Looking forward to seeing when the test squad will be announced.
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Exactly.... The selectors could look at this the same way ad they did Butler. Looking forward to seeing when the test squad will be announced.
Apparently Ed Smith is watching from the stands. I would not be slightly surprised to see him called up.
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Roy's First Class average is comparible with others given a chance recently - difference is you know he is able to deal with the pressure of International cricket (if not yet Test cricket). I would give him a shot, plus you would get to hear more of his incredible sounding bats.
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Probably also reasonable to say Roy's first class figures would be better if he'd played more first class cricket over the past two or three seasons. Seems unlikely he'd tour Sri Lanka but you'd think a spell of first class form would see him in genuine contention quite quickly. Judging by the scorecard it looks like Somerset have avoided pitch scrutiny by preparing a proper road so he may have missed out only getting a fifty!
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Apparently Ed Smith is watching from the stands. I would not be slightly surprised to see him called up.
More likely Mr Smith is looking at Burns, Stoneman, Pope, Foakes and Verdi and watching Roy is just a bonus.
More runs for some chaps called Trott and Bell today too. They look almost international class at times.
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More likely Mr Smith is looking at Burns, Stoneman, Pope, Foakes and Verdi and watching Roy is just a bonus.
More runs for some chaps called Trott and Bell today too. They look almost international class at times.
Isn't that Trott fella retiring at the end of the season?
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More likely Mr Smith is looking at Burns, Stoneman, Pope, Foakes and Verdi and watching Roy is just a bonus.
More runs for some chaps called Trott and Bell today too. They look almost international class at times.
Bring back Bell!!!
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Would love to see Bell on Sky sports over the winter odds...
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Bring back Bell!!!
Go on reading you legend!!!!
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More likely Mr Smith is looking at Burns, Stoneman, Pope, Foakes and Verdi and watching Roy is just a bonus.
Maybe he could even be there watching some players not from Surrey! ;)
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Well, there are seven with at least an outside chance in the Surrey side, and Leach, two Overtons, Hildreth etc for Zummerzet
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Maybe he could even be there watching some players not from Surrey! ;)
:D
What Manormanic said.
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Plenty on show for sure! From an England point of view a shame it's more classic Taunton than recent Ciderabad, with the players involved a game on a proper bunsen would have been very useful for Mr Smith!
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Absolutely, it would be far better if there was reverse swing, absolute bunsen and four + spinners playing from an England perspective.
Given there is not much riding on this game and multiple potential tourists Somerset should have been given dispensation to get the scarifyer out.
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It's kind of odd that they haven't given the usual lack of respect the ECB have for the integrity of the Championship.
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Looks like Finch is gonna open for Aus. Let’s get Roy in as Australia know their cricket and how to win (and are prepared to do so at all costs)
In all seriousness my lineup would be:
Burns
Roy
Ali
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow
Curran
Broad/quickee
Leech
Anderson
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I saw this on Twitter the other day and found it interesting.
It lists the counties in order of win percentage this season across all formats, RL Cup, Blast and CC. Results up until this round of CC. A few very big counties near the bottom.
https://twitter.com/SAAdvantage/status/1042086866047127554?s=19
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Pick your county championship team of 2018 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45539649 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45539649)
Mine - https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/county_team_of_season-44bee166ade6c31068b9159ac3dce19c.html (https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/county_team_of_season-44bee166ade6c31068b9159ac3dce19c.html)
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That is rubbish, I can't pick my preferred team...
Burns
Stoneman
Roy
Bell
Pope
Foakes
Curran S
Clarke
Curran T
Morkel
Virdi (maybe leech!)
And to repeat, I am not in any way biased...!
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Lovely Morne.
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Pick your county championship team of 2018 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45539649 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45539649)
Mine - https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/county_team_of_season-44bee166ade6c31068b9159ac3dce19c.html (https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/county_team_of_season-44bee166ade6c31068b9159ac3dce19c.html)
The fact that you can't pick Jamie Porter in this makes it completely redundant....
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https://ranked-list-images.files.bbci.co.uk/county_team_of_season-56687b05865e4466757ae0bf28c21027.html
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Durham!! Wow 😳😳
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Gareth Roderick has absolutely burgled his way into the BBC's selection consideration there.
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Durham!! Wow 😳😳
In their defence, Leicestershire only lasted 10 balls for 2 wickets this morning, seems that conditions have taken a turn for the worse somewhat today. Understandable given the weather conditions we're facing at the moment I guess, would be interested to know how many of them wickets were unplayable deliveries and how many were caused by batting tomfoolery.
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If you see the reel with Abbas' wickets, mostly looked like it was jagging around, plenty of stumps flying. Fair effort from Dexter though, 1/1 from 7 first innings!
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In their defence, Leicestershire only lasted 10 balls for 2 wickets this morning, seems that conditions have taken a turn for the worse somewhat today. Understandable given the weather conditions we're facing at the moment I guess, would be interested to know how many of them wickets were unplayable deliveries and how many were caused by batting tomfoolery.
Just go watch the highlights... judging by them.. awful batting
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Just go watch the highlights... judging by them.. awful batting
Durham havent covered themselves in glory this summer with the bat.
Still coming to terms of being decimated by the ECB's financial decisions. Also not sure that playing county championship this late in the summer is good either.
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Looks like Tresco is using one of the Rolling Stones GN bats
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And it bags him a pair, and now they're 4-2. This Surrey team is wonderful.
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Kent promoted into Div one great achievement for a team that have stuck with and bloodied youngsters as well as getting a super overseas in Matt Henry.
Great to see my county back in the top flight
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Don’t forget Darren Stevens either, still going strong at 42.
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Kent promoted into Div one great achievement for a team that have stuck with and bloodied youngsters as well as getting a super overseas in Matt Henry.
Great to see my county back in the top flight
Great to see them promoted with a mostly young mostly local team. And great to have an excuse to head down to Canterbury, which is one of my favourite places to watch cricket.
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Somerset cruelly robbed of victory today. Storm has blown covers off making pitch unfit.
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Tinpot club that couldn't organise a p1ss up in an orchard
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Tinpot club that couldn't organise a p1ss up in an orchard
Even as a very one eyed Somerset fan struggle to understand why the covers aren’t currently off and letting it dry.
There’s not a cloud in sky and the suns out.
Just got a coffee next to the ground and supporters are really not very happy at all.
It would still be considered one of the better decks in the league I play in!!
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Except a draw means that Somerset are confirmed as runners up in the Championship...
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Great to see them promoted with a mostly young mostly local team. And great to have an excuse to head down to Canterbury, which is one of my favourite places to watch cricket.
Daughter number 2 has just started Uni at Canterbury - suddenly, a very good reason next year to go down there to watch cricket - hurrah!!!
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Except a draw means that Somerset are confirmed as runners up in the Championship...
Love a conspiracy - did like Alec Stewart's comment though, 'I don't think they've done this on purpose' - but there is a chance that they've conjured up a tropical storm in the Atlantic in order to avoid playing day 4.
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Even as a very one eyed Somerset fan struggle to understand why the covers aren’t currently off and letting it dry.
There’s not a cloud in sky and the suns out.
Just got a coffee next to the ground and supporters are really not very happy at all.
It would still be considered one of the better decks in the league I play in!!
It’s not the wetness it’s the marks and divots made that’s the issue. Since they were batting and it’s their fault I’d have just made Somerset bat on it anyway.
ECB should take action, if it was anyone else I’d feel a bit sympathetic but as it’s them again and their incompetent groundstaff they need punishing
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Honestly there is nothing anyone could have done about this. Just bad luck.
Look at Middlesex who lost some points in a drawn game because of the cross bow incident last year and then got relegated.
Stuff happens.
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It’s not the wetness it’s the marks and divots made that’s the issue. Since they were batting and it’s their fault I’d have just made Somerset bat on it anyway.
ECB should take action, if it was anyone else I’d feel a bit sympathetic but as it’s them again and their incompetent groundstaff they need punishing
Are you for real?
Incompetent groundstaff? Are they supposed to sit out all night to ensure the storm doesn't move the covers
Go give yourself an uppercut
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Are you for real?
Incompetent groundstaff? Are they supposed to sit out all night to ensure the storm doesn't move the covers
Go give yourself an uppercut
No they secure the covers so they don't move, there's a million and one ways of doing it that's better than a couple of sandbags and a bit of string. Ive seem some decent ways online today by some clubbies.
The incompetent bit is more a generalisation that they have been found on numerous occasions over the last few years to have prepared unfit wickets - unless of course it was far more sinister and they have been actively doctoring pitches?
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Historically Taunton was an absolute road, but reasonable enough the club needed to produce more result wickets to help them win the league or get promoted.
It appears that the club decided that spinning wickets would help them do that more than a green seaming wicket when you have decent spinners and thoroughbred quicks that is a good idea in my view.
To say the ground staff are incompetent totally misses the point.
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I think the spinning wickets are a product of the ECB's scrapping of the toss. If you prepare a green seamer, you get stuck in and are behind the game throughout. If you prepare a raging bunsen, batting first is often the best bet as you at least get a small window of respite. Its cheeky, but you can't really blame them whilst that daft policy is in place.
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Why on earth would you not want a county with two good spinners to produce turners? Or should everyone just carry on bemoaning the fact we don't produce any spinners?
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I think the spinning wickets are a product of the ECB's scrapping of the toss. If you prepare a green seamer, you get stuck in and are behind the game throughout. If you prepare a raging bunsen, batting first is often the best bet as you at least get a small window of respite. Its cheeky, but you can't really blame them whilst that daft policy is in place.
This is, in part, exactly what the ECB wanted - though perhaps taken to extreme?
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This is, in part, exactly what the ECB wanted - though perhaps taken to extreme?
The ECB's stated aim was to get pitches that lastest four days, starting out good for batting but taking some spin later. I think Ciderabad has become somewhat different to that.
I don't know that I have that much objection to Somerset producing pitches that offer some assistance - as long as it isn't the exaggerated assistance seenin some games such as the Middlesex one last year or the recent game against Lancashire. I do, however, have an issue with the ECB toss directive, as it penalises the Northern counties unduly - with the best will going, the times when they now play Championship cricket are such that most pitches up North will start green and damp, and it seems unreasonable to penalise the home side for circumstances beyond their control.
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"In part" = encouragement for spinners.
"Extreme" = too much encouagement for spinners.
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The ECB wanted pitches that turn, yes the Somerset pitch is getting extreme but what I have a massive issue with is what is the difference between the ball turning early in a game and it seaming sideways all game? Green seamers never ever get called up by anyone yet they are the bigger problem in the game IMHO.
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The ECB wanted pitches that turn, yes the Somerset pitch is getting extreme but what I have a massive issue with is what is the difference between the ball turning early in a game and it seaming sideways all game? Green seamers never ever get called up by anyone yet they are the bigger problem in the game IMHO.
Thats a valid question. I suppose, playing devils advocate, greenish seamers are sometimes unavoidable due to water tables and atmospheric conditions, whereas dustbowls in the UK are clearly not. Also, you rarely see a green seamer so difficult that the batsman knows from ball one that one has his name on it, whereas some Ciderabad pitches seem to be of that ilk.
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Great to see some CC Cricket on Sky Sports today.
Even better that it's the mighty Essex causing trouble at The Oval! :D
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Great to see some CC Cricket on Sky Sports today.
Even better that it's the mighty Essex causing trouble at The Oval! :D
Causing them trouble is a bit of an understatement. Durham taken 10 at the Riverside already as well.
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although they 67 all out, interesting to see pope batting at 4 for surrey!
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They should have been at Warwickshire for the winner takes all game. Disappointing from sky
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They should have been at Warwickshire for the winner takes all game. Disappointing from sky
Rightly or wrongly (wrongly), I don't think the ECB / Sky really care about Div 2.
In fairness, this is 1st vs 3rd in Div 1, so should be a high quality game, it's just a shame there is absolutely nothing riding on it.
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We have treated all of this as a beer game since we tied up the league
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We have treated all of this as a beer game since we tied up the league
So no-one in the 11 cares about going a whole season unbeaten? I'd have thought that would be enough motivation, they're just being out played at the moment.
Could all turn around though, Surrey are a quality side!
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It will be a massive ask for Surrey to recover here and they are absolutely focused on an unbeaten season, which is why there is a basically full strength team playing.
In Pope batting at 4, that is where he has batted since coming back from playing for England.
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Where is Elgar?
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In Pope batting at 4, that is where he has batted since coming back from playing for England.
Ah fair enough, cant say i noticed!
I wonder if that's an Ollie Pope, ECB or Surrey choice!
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Kent getting a bit of a pasting on day 1 unfortunately. Stone in the wickets for Warwickshire and only 20 runs behind Kent 1st innings score at end of day 1.
Personally I reckon surrry will turn this around 2nd innings just a feeling
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Ah fair enough, cant say i noticed!
I wonder if that's an Ollie Pope, ECB or Surrey choice!
To be fair Foakes, Jacks and Patel were after him so i'd expect him to bat above all of those. I think that position was more "coincidence" than being a specific thing the ECB have asked to happen.
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what I will say is that i'm glad we have got Plunkett and Clark for next season as our bowling attack without the Currans is lacking somewhat
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Or maybe Essex just batted well?
Occasions when both Currans have played have been rare. Morkel and Clarke are leading wicket takers, and Dernbach has been decent. As has McKerr more recently.
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Or maybe Essex just batted well?
Occasions when both Currans have played have been rare. Morkel and Clarke are leading wicket takers, and Dernbach has been decent. As has McKerr more recently.
Essex did bat well, and we pulled it back a bit but Patel was terrible today and when Clarke and Morkel aren't destroying teams we need him and Dernbach to take charge and they didn't look like doing it consistently enough.
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What a day for the Bears yesterday was! Hope they maintain that form an kick on today.
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lancs relegated
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What's the rules on England qualification for non EU born players?
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I don't know but today's highlight was seeing Moeen bowl seam up. Bloke can do anything.
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I don't know but today's highlight was seeing Moeen bowl seam up. Bloke can do anything.
Hmmm.
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for those that believe the Championship is not of high enough standard to produce test players
this is the equivalent of putting out a fire with a can of petrol
:)
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Hmmm.
Look at it!
https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1044845254640381952
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two hat-tricks for somerset vs notts
one for tom abell in the first innings and one for jamie overton in the second
cant be many games with two hettricks?
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two hat-tricks for somerset vs notts
one for tom abell in the first innings and one for jamie overton in the second
cant be many games with two hettricks?
Didn't Starc do it by himself quite recently in State cricket?
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I don't know but today's highlight was seeing Moeen bowl seam up. Bloke can do anything.
Get him opening the bowling!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn9RsKRXkAAfBYz.jpg)
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Lovely JRoy
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Get him opening the bowling!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn9RsKRXkAAfBYz.jpg)
what speeds he getting it down at? keeper looks a long way back
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Warwickshire go up as champions of div 2
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Handy for Middlesex bringing in a spin bowler to replace a seamer on the final day on a deteriorating pitch. Can see why Colly complained.
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I think the counties should have to nominate 2 concussion subs before the game starts (1 batter, 1 bowler)
would hate to see/suspect that a team might use a hit on the lid as a way to bring in someone more suitable for the second innings. Not suggesting that Middlesex have done this but in professional sport teams will always look for an advantage and push the rules to the limit.
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what speeds he getting it down at? keeper looks a long way back
Rick linked to a tweet of his wicket a few posts up, it was pretty gentle medium pace.
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POPEY LAD! I pray to God that England don't ruin him.
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Just start your own Surrey thread
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As it happened Rayner didn't need to bowl. Can see why Colly would be annoyed though. He did snag 3 catches at slip.
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I was at Edgbaston today for a work conference managed to blag most of the day off and watch the match shame Kent collapsed but had a lovely view from a corporate box - decent attendance for a County game as well
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Ravi Bopara back in full SS gear. What happened to his Keeley sponsorship, I wonder?
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Ravi Bopara back in full SS gear. What happened to his Keeley sponsorship, I wonder?
I think I remember someone saying he will be using Keeley cricket next year as his sponsorship with SS isn't up yet. I'm sure the only thing that will change with his current bats is the stickers :D
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I think I remember someone saying he will be using Keeley cricket next year as his sponsorship with SS isn't up yet. I'm sure the only thing that will change with his current bats is the stickers :D
The bat he was practising with had a Ton stamp on the back. So perhaps not?
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Look at it!
https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1044845254640381952
I'd already seen it.
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Turning into a hell of a final day for the season!
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OH MY GOD
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Odds on a tie?
What a great game to end the season, thank goodness this was the televised game! ;)
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Gripping, isn't it? Props to Surrey, who are fighting incredibly hard in a dead rubber. You'd worry for Essex though - losing this would be almost as gut wrenching as losing to Yorkshire after rolling them for 50 earlier in the season.
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COME ON
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Why isn't the BBC live text updating? :(
This is a real edge of the seat game.
Championship cricket is boring, right?
They shouldn't be playing Championship cricket in late September, right?
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Awful behaviour from Dernbach. Deserves a ban for that.
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Awful behaviour from Dernbach. Deserves a ban for that.
For those of us not watching, what did he do?
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What a ball from Morne, Jesus
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What a game!!
Well done Essex!
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For those of us not watching, what did he do?
Ran in to and shoved Matt Quinn when Essex stole a short single. The slow motion was damning - he was nowhere near the ball and throwing a tantrum. Shame as it detracted from a wonderful game.
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Appalling behaviour from Dernbach and credit to Quinn for keeping his head and staying calm in the situation. I hope Dernbach gets a suitable ban as that sort of think has no place in a cricket field at any level
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Great game.
Awesome work from Quinn at the end, as well as ten Doeschate, who I always just expect to get the job done. He's just one of those blokes.
Dernbach. I mean, what can you say that hasn't already said. Clearly just straight shoulder barged him. He's always been a prize plum (I want to use a much stronger word, but it's a family forum :) ) but this is just 100 times worse than his screaming celebrations, arrogance and general demeanour.
Proves why no-one who is a neutral likes Surrey. Gareth Batty would be proud.
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Why isn't the BBC live text updating? :(
This is a real edge of the seat game.
Championship cricket is boring, right?
They shouldn't be playing Championship cricket in late September, right?
Why isn't BBC dedicating a whole channel to it for the duration of the summer?
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Why isn't BBC dedicating a whole channel to it for the duration of the summer?
Return on Investment... quite simply sky will be losing hand over fist putting this game on TV.
It’s a shame as people will watch cricket if it’s on FTA.
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Sky did an excellent job of covering this game, and dedicate a huge amount of broadcasting time to showing live cricket - international and domestic, men and women - and the money they pay to the ECB has had a big impact in improving facilities and training new coaches at grass roots level. The problem is that kids don't associate with cricket if they don't see it on TV and participation has declined significantly in the last decade. Pretty much the only good thing I can say about the 100 is that it will include FTA games
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Given by Graves' actions today in the chairman's board meeting it is becoming unlikely the hundred will happen.
Also Graves was so concerned about how he would be received by his adoring Surrey fans that he delegated handing out the trophy.
Either he owns up and faces up to his actions or he walks.
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Given by Graves' actions today in the chairman's board meeting it is becoming unlikely the hundred will happen.
Also Graves was so concerned about how he would be received by his adoring Surrey fans that he delegated handing out the trophy.
Either he owns up and faces up to his actions or he walks.
Got any sources/any more info on that?
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Got any sources/any more info on that?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24814473/colin-graves-pulls-surrey-trophy-presentation (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24814473/colin-graves-pulls-surrey-trophy-presentation)
The man is, to summarise, a coward.
The key disagreement at the meeting centred on the spiralling costs of the ECB's new competition, The Hundred. With those projected costs understood to have more than trebled from £13m to over £40m, the projected profits for the counties have dropped sharply.
Shock horror!
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Graves' reception by the Surrey and Essex fans would have made George Osborne's appearance at the Olympics look positively friendly. Boris also got off likely at the Oval.
Graves is positively despised!
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Return on Investment... quite simply sky will be losing hand over fist putting this game on TV.
It’s a shame as people will watch cricket if it’s on FTA.
Think of the bigger picture.
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£40 mill that's absolutely ridiculous. For a format that most pros are not keen on and to possibly gain a few extra fans
What's about the current supporters?
So much could be done with that money instead
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What's about the current supporters?
So much could be done with that money instead
This.
Reorganising the fixture list to give the championship more priority.
Investing in the live streaming to improve quality and possibly camera angles
Actually promoting the Championship as an affordable way to watch cricket.
Etc
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This.
Reorganising the fixture list to give the championship more priority.
Investing in the live streaming to improve quality and possibly camera angles
Actually promoting the Championship as an affordable way to watch cricket.
Etc
Yes! This!
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BBC already provides excellent commentary on county games, without employing expensive names. Most counties already have live streaming in place. Surely a dedicated TV channel isn't that great a leap?
Most people say county cricket is boring/ a poor standard because are forever being told it is. And this idea fits with their short attention spans as an excuse not to bother giving it a chance.
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Most people say county cricket is boring/ a poor standard because are forever being told it is. And this idea fits with their short attention spans as an excuse not to bother giving it a chance.
I probably watch more than most on here - and I find its of a decent standard, even if the way that it has been forced toward the extremes of the season has led to it being a little too heavily dominated by bowlers nipping it around at a bit above medium.
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I probably watch more than most on here - and I find its of a decent standard, even if the way that it has been forced toward the extremes of the season has led to it being a little too heavily dominated by bowlers nipping it around at a bit above medium.
There you go. You give it a chance, and it's decent.
I agree, the CC should be across the duration of the season.
I'd like counties to play one 4 day and one 1 day game per week throughout the season. Two rest/ travelling/ preperation days.
Sky would never allow it. Money is king.
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There you go. You give it a chance, and it's decent.
I agree, the CC should be across the duration of the season.
I'd like counties to play one 4 day and one 1 day game per week throughout the season. Two rest/ travelling/ preperation days.
Sky would never allow it. Money is king.
Could not agree more. I get that T20 has to have a big old slug of prime time because it's the best way to get kids in to the game and all that, but time and again the long form delivers skills and drama that the hit and giggle cannot match. There has to be a way of showing due respect to both.
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Most people say county cricket is boring/ a poor standard because are forever being told it is. And this idea fits with their short attention spans as an excuse not to bother giving it a chance.
This is the same as draw Cricket.. people are told it’s Boring so they are biased against it and then state win lose is far more fun.. even tho there are more one sided games with little to play for for one side more often than not. Top 4-5 divs in any system really should be the hardest of formats to promote all round skills
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Calling it 'draw cricket' doesn't help. ;)
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Could not agree more. I get that T20 has to have a big old slug of prime time because it's the best way to get kids in to the game and all that, but time and again the long form delivers skills and drama that the hit and giggle cannot match. There has to be a way of showing due respect to both.
I think we are ultimately doing kids a disservice.
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Interesting article this, shame it doesn't go into more depth but the differences between selection methods are definitely thought-provoking:
https://www.wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/cricviz-and-wisden-choose-their-county-championship-teams-of-the-year (https://www.wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/cricviz-and-wisden-choose-their-county-championship-teams-of-the-year)