Ayrteks are adjustable.
I hope it's a badly set up grill as opposed to being weak. As I use one!
Well, well, well...a fast medium pie thrower has penetrated the grill of the "world safest helmet" at only 86mph?
If that was Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn bowling, Broad would be in a coma now being read his last rites.
But it passed all Ayrteks "internal testing" I keep hearing the ECCB apologists on here bleat.
I am sorry, but your protectionist scam has been exposed. The BS claims that Ayrtek are the safest blah, blah, freakin blah have been proven to be propaganda.
I await with bated breath the excuses that will surely be thrown up as to why this remarkable British product that like the Titanic was "unsinkable", failed so spectacularly under mundane circumstances.
seeing this injury made me cringe and curse for like 10 mins..... i dont use those ayrtek/addias helmets, ive got a (relatively) old masuri helmet (bought it second hand a couple of years ago) but seeing both this injury and kieswetter's injury has made me think about buying a new helmet, just for safety purposes. I also agree with someone who posted before that the helmet safety tests needs an overhaul and to be improved as we shouldn't really have these incidents happen at all.....
Looking at the vid the ball seemed to go in sideways on rather than straight from the front.
2 things.I think he used a PremTek so wouldn't have to worry about inflating it.
1. we don't know how much worse it would have been in a different lid.
2. we don't know if he was wearing it properly, did put the lid on right, I.e. strap first then inflate and had he played with the settings on the grille too.
still it seems a pretty bad incident.
Well, well, well...a fast medium pie thrower has penetrated the grill of the "world safest helmet" at only 86mph?
If that was Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn bowling, Broad would be in a coma now being read his last rites.
But it passed all Ayrteks "internal testing" I keep hearing the ECCB apologists on here bleat.
I am sorry, but your protectionist scam has been exposed. The BS claims that Ayrtek are the safest blah, blah, freakin blah have been proven to be propaganda.
I await with bated breath the excuses that will surely be thrown up as to why this remarkable British product that like the Titanic was "unsinkable", failed so spectacularly under mundane circumstances.
Can the grills on these aditeks be altered?They can indeed.
Without a helmet he would be in a bad way, now he just has a broken nose so the helmet did it's job .. Sort ofI've just gone from AdiTek back to old masuri, on the evidence today it doesn't make a huge difference either way as the ball still gets through!
I happen to notice a lot of other pro (jos buttler for example) have either changed the grille or adapted it to only have one bar in front of the face on the new style masuri rendering that "less safe" also
The ones using the masuri without the double grill are using the model down. The grills are not interchangeableFair enough my bad :/
Here's a link with the slow-mo vid of the hit in close up - had it not been for the top edge it would have probably hit him on the grill/chin area. The pictures below are from the same page.
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He looks okay as he walks off but give it a day or so until the swelling/bruising comes out. His nose is probably broken but lets hope that he's not as hurt as Kieswetter.
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Does this mean there's a grill setting to be avoided on the Ayrtek/Adidas - like a lot of people on the forum I use one and although I'll never face this kind of pace it doesn't mean that I'm not going to top edge on into my own face.....I've even hit myself on the back of the head in the nets!!
So what does edging a ball do? Does it stay at a constant speed to which is was before? Kiesey was wearing an older masuri I think and look what happened, broad wearing an Aditek and has a broken nose. It's not particularly difficult to break your nose if you hit it at the right angle. I'd say a win for Aditek! Whilst it may not have kept the ball out completely it reduced the damage. It broke during impact, maybe a minor fault with it? Had broad dropped it or was it just the force and slightly odd angle. I'd certainly rather be broad now than kiesey anyway
The ones using the masuri without the double grill are using the model down. The grills are not interchangeable
If it hit he peak flush it should 'ramp' the ball away.
A ball can't pick up pace after hitting something.
absolutely it can!!
have you ever hit a cricket ball?!
lots of people happy to criticise here.
I say again with another lid it may have been much worse.
absolutely it can!!
have you ever hit a cricket ball?!
lots of people happy to criticise here.
I say again with another lid it may have been much worse.
Well kiewswetter was in hospital with old top of range and broad walked away wearing mid range so but of a plus thereDifferent pace roco
The world's "supposedly" safest helmet didnt do its job. Fault in the product and exposed.Period!!And therein lies the rub. If the result of using the "world's safest helmet" was a broken nose, what would the result have been with a "less safe helmet"?
And therein lies the rub. If the result of using the "world's safest helmet" was a broken nose, what would the result have been with a "less safe helmet"?
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No one knows if it's the safest though. That's just marketing speaking.Hence the use of quotes.
For my two pence all i know is it kind of did it job like all helmets do.
It stopped a serious injury same as my Shrey has and Masuri and Albion in the past.
Conjecture about other helmets may or may not have done is wrong.
Look at it this way did the strength of the peak keep the ball under and not allow it pass??
With a masuri/Shrey old school it may have just bounced off after smashing the peak and no damage done a kind of strength, weakness if you get my drift.
Who knows all i do know is no helmet is 100 per cent safe and never will be.
I prefer one brand because i like how it fits onto my head and i'm used to it and i see no reason to change.
Different pace roco
you say conjecture is wrong yet you go on and do just that!
past performance tells us old style Masuri lids would have resulted in a worse outcome.
we don't know with the new ones.
A ball can't pick up pace after hitting something.
let's think about this more...
with an old style Masuri, it is reasonable to say he would have a fractured eye socket and his career may be over.
with a double bar vision series lid, the ball would have caused the visor to pop off, but who knows where the ball may have gone, with nothing to take the pace off, it may have had a similar result to the old model.
Dave, I don't think this is the first time we've seen the Ayrtek tested. Didn't someone take a full frontal in the grill?
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Nick's point is partially correct. The other point being that you don't want a deformed grill hitting you in the face, which is what could happen if you were to have it closer.
I have always wondered though why the grill has to be so far away from your face. Surely if it closer it would use less material so it could be thicker and give better visability
I always thought Ayrtek helmets were designed so that you CAN'T adjust the grill to a setting that allows the ball through. So is this a custom set up for Broad? Or has something broken? Or has the ball gotten out of shape?
let's think about this more...
with an old style Masuri, it is reasonable to say he would have a fractured eye socket and his career may be over.
with a double bar vision series lid, the ball would have caused the visor to pop off, but who knows where the ball may have gone, with nothing to take the pace off, it may have had a similar result to the old model.
with a plastic Albion the visor/peak would have been destroyed again with a who knows what result.
with a traditional Albion the grille would probably have crushed into his face, like Ponting at lords, but much worse, maybe fractured cheek.
it is too easy to get the hatchet out here.
broad only has a broken nose from a ball which would have been going faster than 100 mph, the adrenaline would have been pumping after the last two balls had gone for 6 massively.
ironically if Steyn or Johnson were bowling I suspect broad would have missed it and we would have watched the ball deflect off the lid for 4 byes...
Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.
Does it not increase in speed when hit??
On a full face, smash over cow, perhaps.
On a feint top edge is say no.
I think the problem is the impact will force the helmet backwards and into your face if its to close.
So how do top edges fly for 6 yet byes dribble to the boundary??Elevation, upward thrust, gravity.
Elevation, upward thrust, gravity.
Think of the Trescothick shot- upper cut type shot that he plays so well, he helps it on it's way.
Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.
Er, WHAT? Are you serious?! The speed of the delivery was 86mph, which is measured just as the ball leaves the hand. The ball loses 10-15mph by the time it reaches the batsman and would have slowed down further after hitting the bat. At most it hit the helmet at 75mph. Where on earth do you get 100mph from? It is basic physics that the ball will only ever lose speed, not pick up speed once it has left the bowler's hand.
When has a bowler ever conceded six byes?
Never its in the rules this can't happen by boundary (just being picky)Rules or Laws? Just being picky.
Is that the case with the modern materials and construction? What material was his lid made of?According to the Ayrtek website, the PremierTek helmet (which is what I believe he wears) is constructed from "high impact injection-moulded plastic".
According to the Ayrtek website, the PremierTek helmet (which is what I believe he wears) is constructed from "high impact injection-moulded plastic".Begs the question, as a pro why wouldn't you wear the best protection available? i.e. according to Ayrtek the Adipower Rawtek
Guys,I think the overwhelming sentiment has been one of "how did that happen?" It's generated some significant discussion, and has caused people to look a bit deeper at how helmets work and what they can and can't do. As mentioned, only one person has really jumped on the criticism bandwagon, and his reaction was wholly expected.
You might want to lay of Ayrtek a bit as one fail from probably millions of hits world wide on their helmets does not not make for an inferior/faulty product. I am sure when Ayrtek have analysed it all they will respond to all the criticisms etc. Also knowing Tom he will be looking at new designs etc to make sure this never happens again.
Is it me or does the gap on this look way too big?
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No I think butler has cut a bar out on his, check again
Maybe Broad doesn't use the top of the line one because he doesn't like the ACIS liner?
Agreed. Much, much wider than on mine. Reckon a ball would fit through that easily.
I don't think Buttler would cut a bar off, check this picture I got from Aus Cricket twitter.
This helmet has the twin bar on the ear piece but the top bar doesn't carry round into a full bar, same as Buttler, maybe it's a pro only edition as they didn't like the Double bar?
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With regard to the safety element, I recall when I rode motorbikes, a while back, being told that if I dropped my helmet it would weaken on the impact area. It is a reasonable assumption that the helmet may be a good age and had a lot of use, hence wear and tear.
Is that the case with the modern materials and construction? What material was his lid made of?
I don't think Buttler would cut a bar off, check this picture I got from Aus Cricket twitter.
This helmet has the twin bar on the ear piece but the top bar doesn't carry round into a full bar, same as Buttler, maybe it's a pro only edition as they didn't like the Double bar?
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One thing I have noticed about these Adidas helmets is that the nuts don't screw on as securely as on other helmets. Another feature of the new Masuri VS range is the fact that the grilles are already fitted and can't be screwed/unscrewed, which saves a lot of time and hassle, but presumably helps on the safety front too. If it was indeed one of these nuts that flew off on impact that is possibly the most likely cause of the ball fitting through imo. A grille that isn't secured properly is vulnerable to this, no matter what the gap between the peak and grille is...
OK, I stand corrected. Still don't think those nuts screw in very well though compared to others!
There a lot of movement in the helmet upwards if you look at the images above and the side on in his stance the helmet has been pushed upwards quite a bit.He isn't actually wearing the helmet properly. The chin strap is under his jaw, not using the cup on his chin (as we've had many discussions with Tom about on here).
He isn't actually wearing the helmet properly. The chin strap is under his jaw, not using the cup on his chin
My top of the range carbon lid with acis liner.
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Granted it currently has the steel grill on not titanium(I have the titanium grill on my cheap ayrtek, which the fitment is perfectly on it) but fitment is same either way
[url]http://www.masuri.com/news/article/press-release-masuris-new-helmet-ready-icc-safety-/[/url] ([url]http://www.masuri.com/news/article/press-release-masuris-new-helmet-ready-icc-safety-/[/url])Ouch
LOL at the content of that masuri press release. Guess they have to get their money's worth if they employ a sports PR agency
LOL at the content of that masuri press release. Guess they have to get their money's worth if they employ a sports PR agency
Van i be honest and say i am disappointed in ayrteks statement.
I know they have to investigate and what not, but surely it wasn't just me expecting more?
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11024926/England-v-India-Stuart-Broad-cleared-to-play-Oval-Test-despite-broken-nose.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11024926/England-v-India-Stuart-Broad-cleared-to-play-Oval-Test-despite-broken-nose.html[/url])
"Seven current England players – Robson, Bell, Root, Buttler, Jordan, Stokes, Anderson - choose to wear Masuri’s new Vision Series helmet, which has been designed and developed to meet revised ICC safety standards."
When Masuri say 'choose' I assume that is a mistake and is meant to read 'are paid a swag bag full of money'...
I think it is very much a company worried about anyone encroaching on their 'turf'.
Masuri should be very careful when it comes to this sort of one-sided oneupmanship - especially as it would not be the first time one of their helmets 'failed'.
I think everyone needs to put the Broad thing into perspective. Safety equipment does not always stop people from getting hurt. If people shun Ayrtek, it would almost be as stupid as people going out tomorrow looking for an alternative to seat belts because the 0.0001% of every car journey, someone got whiplash.
Cricket is a dangerous game. As adults we accept the associated risks. If Broad didn't set his lid up properly, I would be seriously considering removing my sponsorship of him, instead of looking at Ayrtek - Broad has a responsibility to the brand as much as Ayrtek/Adidas has to supply him with kit.
In the modern day, you can't blame masuri for doing it. Plus, the only reason people here are more inclined to defend arytek is because we have been told more often that it's safer etc etc. (Not saying it isn't but as Tom is so good on here, we believe him. More easily). We actually have not the first clue which is safer so it's all just pr and is saying one is better is just individual choose based on whose pr we've swallowed.
Now I may have missed something but where were the press releases when kiesey got smashed in the face? Did masuri defend themselves? Or for that fact numerous other players in the past that have had the same issue. Aditek helmet is different so as soon as something goes wrong everyone jumps on the bandwagon to say its rubbish etc and competitors come out with pointless statements just to get one up on them.
I like this point, I think there have been alot of knives sharpened at the ready in the event of something happening to a player using an Ayrtek.Of course there have. When a new, disruptive, product comes on to the market that allows claims that the existing brands had something inferior (and note, I said allows claims, i.e. doesn't necessarily make the claims themselves), then the existing brands get concerned and ready to leap on whatever they can to stop the outflow of business.
In the modern day, you can't blame masuri for doing it.
Plus, the only reason people here are more inclined to defend arytek is because we have been told more often that it's safer etc etc. (Not saying it isn't but as Tom is so good on here, we believe him. More easily). We actually have not the first clue which is safer so it's all just pr and is saying one is better is just individual choose based on whose pr we've swallowed.
Arggggh! >:( >:( >:(
YES YOU EFFING CAN! We do not exist in this vacuum where this sort of "it's ok, a shared reliance on capitalism means we can disassociate ourselves from responsibility and can treat others as competitors...as the enemy".
It's exactly the same thinking of people that don't walk "It's ok, I don't need a conscience as I have an umpire to tell me if I'm out or not"
It was a whoppingly desperate, cynical, and most importantly arsey thing to do, that had all the hallmarks of a company being led by their a PR agency.
I would say I hope their business suffers but I think they'll KO themselves with the new helmet design.
Sure, we have an affinity with Tom (however small) and because we understand his heart and soul went into this, this must feel like his worst nightmare. A cricket helmet is PURELY a purchase of comfort and safety. Any brand that doesn't have this front and center of all their marketing is, frankly, doing it wrong.
No helmet will be infallible (without losing too much to visibility etc), and the worst thing is, there's a potentially significant amount of human error applied when using it...Anyone from the manufacturer want to step forward and point the finger at our international 'talent'?!
(Sorry, wasn't a dig at you PC, just your text was handy to quote :) )
If you are assuming the PR firm are spinning, then I feel you may be misguided.
The PR team have simply laid out the facts as they are. Ayrtek didn't do that, they simply gave us a short passage.
Masuri are explaining their piece. Your criticism is frankly wrong and shows a lack of understanding in corporate communications.
Ha, this did make me laugh
Masuri are explaining their piece, on an incident that had nothing to do with them, sounds legit? I know (like i think everyone does) what they are up to but your lesson in corporate communication is one i will cherish greatly
I personally didn't like Mauri's press release, it showed a lack of class IMHO. I wear a Masuri, but funnily enough now am considering moving on the back of the release. I may be alone, but for me there was no need for them to release it and could come back to bite them on the back side.
@Tim.It's a Bola. I've never checked. It hurts as much at 80 when it hits your hand.
Is that ball softer than a cricket ball?
It's a Bola. I've never checked. It hurts as much at 80 when it hits your hand.I find the compound nature of a machine ball hurts more than a cricket ball it certainly does in the ribs.
I would've thought Masuri had a huge share of the market without having to worry about undermining Ayrtek/Aditek. Real cheap shot, capitalising on Broad's misfortune when I didn't see Albion or Adidas trying to improve sales of their lids through the national press or social media when Kieswetter was grilled. I guess Masuri view them as a real threat...
Leaves a bad taste - if that's how they want to do business, fair enough; it hasn't endeared them to me. I'll keep wearing my Ayrtek with absolute confidence
I didn't see Albion or Adidas trying to improve sales of their lids through the national press or social media when Kieswetter was grilled.That's not true. Both Albion and Ayrtek tweeted links to their helmets/innovations, alongside explicit references to the Kieswetter injury and lines such as "Update your lid" in the days after Kieswetter's injury. Masuri have taken it a step further with a PR campaign, true - but I think some balance is needed.
I agree, it's a poor way to do business but the PR agency has done it's job here. This story is in the national press with a positive (not in all eyes) spin on Masuri. Masuri will get more sales due to this.
Out of interest, in their statement they said the 6 England guys "choose" to wear it. Does anyone know if that's true or not? Similar to Stretton Fox, do they just choose what they think is the best even if their sponsors want them to wear something else? Or is it a case of filling up the helmet with money and passing it on?
It also can't be easy being a protection/helmet manufacturer. You're only really ever going to get bad press, as people only highlight protection when/if it fails. And I suppose however safe something is, eventually it will fail to some degree. Like many have said, you can't create a 100% safe helmet.
I suppose this is why Masuri are jumping in trying to get some good coverage whilst they can.
Like bats, sponsors do not really care as long as their brand is plastered on it.Masuri have never paid individual players as far as I'm aware.
However, Masuri is a brand in itself. Adidas wanted the Ayrtek helmet as their 'brand' helmet, instead of innovating their own, hence the Adidas branding. As a brand, it stands to reason that Masuri will be paying international players to wear their lids, just like Gray Nic's will pay Capt Cook to use their equipment.
That's not true. Both Albion and Ayrtek tweeted links to their helmets/innovations, alongside explicit references to the Kieswetter injury and lines such as "Update your lid" in the days after Kieswetter's injury. Masuri have taken it a step further with a PR campaign, true - but I think some balance is needed.
I certainly don't blame Masuri for attempting to regain some lost ground/sales. But I hope they do bear in mind the reaction should another injury happen whilst wearing their updated helmets.
Masuri have never paid individual players as far as I'm aware.
Masuri are more vocal than Albion, Shrey et al largely because their Vision Series was designed specifically with this kind of incident in mind. They have clearly invested a lot of time and money on addressing this specific issue on a helmet rather than just making it look good and feel comfortable and light, so I can understand why they are now trying to recoup some of that investment. Essentially the Broad incident justifies everything they have done with the Vision Series. They came under a lot of criticism for the looks of these helmets, but this incident proves that looks are of lesser importance, so why not shout about it?!
Masuri are more vocal than Albion, Shrey et al largely because their Vision Series was designed specifically with this kind of incident in mind. They have clearly invested a lot of time and money on addressing this specific issue on a helmet rather than just making it look good and feel comfortable and light, so I can understand why they are now trying to recoup some of that investment. Essentially the Broad incident justifies everything they have done with the Vision Series. They came under a lot of criticism for the looks of these helmets, but this incident proves that looks are of lesser importance, so why not shout about it?!Except, the Masuri Vision series isn't quite designed to deal with this kind of incident either.
For all we know, the crumpling peak may aid the ball in getting through...Only way is a like for like test to replicate the incident, anyone got Broady's number? :D
Lots of supposing going on.Not much else you can do until someone replicates the incident across multiple helmets and proves one way or another how each helmet would cope.
And therein lies the rub. If the result of using the "world's safest helmet" was a broken nose, what would the result have been with a "less safe helmet"?
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A broken nose.
The ECCB propaganda campaign is in full swing around here.
The Ayrtek FAILED in its primary role.
You cannot sugar coat that.
If the ball hit him in the eye rather than the nose, Broad would be in serious strife right now.
If Mitchell Johnson bowled it, Broad would be in a coma.
A broken nose.If I remember correctly, one of the primary roles of the helmet is to stop the ball penetrating the gap between the peak and the grille at up to 67mph. Please can you confirm how you know that it failed in this role? Do you know something about the speed of the ball hitting the helmet that we don't?
The ECCB propaganda campaign is in full swing around here.
The Ayrtek FAILED in its primary role.
You cannot sugar coat that.
If the ball hit him in the eye rather than the nose, Broad would be in serious strife right now.
If Mitchell Johnson bowled it, Broad would be in a coma.
If Mitchell Johnson bowled it, Broad would be in a coma.
If I remember correctly, one of the primary roles of the helmet is to stop the ball penetrating the gap between the peak and the grille at up to 67mph. Please can you confirm how you know that it failed in this role? Do you know something about the speed of the ball hitting the helmet that we don't?
Thanks.
Another well thought out and informative post from yourself, thank you
The ball was 86mph - out of the bowlers hand.Interesting. 72-76mph. Outside the limit of the tests that you have so far espoused as being useless, pointless and very much British Imperialism led.... Some 10% (on average) greater than what is required of a helmet according to the ICC?
It loses speed after pitching...so reaches the batsman at around 72-76mph.
It was FINE edge...so could not have picked up any significant speed.
His bloody nose is splattered all across his face.
EPIC FAIL.
Interesting. 72-76mph. Outside the limit of the tests that you have so far espoused as being useless, pointless and very much British Imperialism led.... Some 10% (on average) greater than what is required of a helmet according to the ICC?
And his nose is flattened like he's been punched on it is it? I was sure that was what I saw in the pictures, right, splattered flat and bloody all across his face?
That's right, epic fail... He couldn't even walk off the pitch. They had to call on the stretcher! If he'd only been wearing a Shrey, hey?
One thing I have noticed about these Adidas helmets is that the nuts don't screw on as securely as on other helmets. Another feature of the new Masuri VS range is the fact that the grilles are already fitted and can't be screwed/unscrewed, which saves a lot of time and hassle, but presumably helps on the safety front too. If it was indeed one of these nuts that flew off on impact that is possibly the most likely cause of the ball fitting through imo. A grille that isn't secured properly is vulnerable to this, no matter what the gap between the peak and grille is...
I agree with Its Just cricket, we had had issues fitting the grills to Adidas helmets! my son has this model helmet and he has lost a nut on the side!One of the things I noticed about the Ayrtek helmet in general is that you have to slightly flex the grille mount to get it on. After this, I've not had problems with loosening nuts.
If he had been wearing a shrey/last years' masuri/albion/any other lid, I reckon he'd have been in serious strife...
I say we all just learn how to play the pull/hook shot properly and then we will be fine !Face many 85+mph bowlers?
I use the old masuri and have no worries about getting hit in the eyes !!
The old lids could have come off a lot worse, depending on the set up.I'd prefer an Air Cannon pointed directly at the helmet, similar to the BSI test. It's easier to repeat consistently.
The new ones, it would be interesting for Sky to do a bit on this one day. Maybe some actual testing with a bowling machine and a dummy?
I say we all just learn how to play the pull/hook shot properly and then we will be fine !:o that's done it now !
I use the old masuri and have no worries about getting hit in the eyes !!
I'd prefer an Air Cannon pointed directly at the helmet, similar to the BSI test. It's easier to repeat consistently.
Face many 85+mph bowlers?
Face many 85+mph bowlers?
Tom maybe able to clear this up, but does Broad have an Ayrtek Notts helmet? I am sure I have seen him in a Masuri.
I have only ever been 'grilled' once, it was off a medium pace bowler and i was keeping and standing up to the stumps...What colour is your current masuri??
as a very inexperienced keeper who is usually a quicky, i took my eyes of a ball that was edged off a cow corner slog and it hit me flush on the grill.
From what i experienced the ball defo accelerated off the bat and came at me alot quicker than i expected...
I have the grille on the setting that shouldn't allow the ball through and it didn't come through, i use the Masuri that Kieswetter was wearing and it hasnt really put me off. However the fact a helmet that apparently is up to the new standards has failed has made me want to upgrade to the new Masuri...
I have only ever been 'grilled' once, it was off a medium pace bowler and i was keeping and standing up to the stumps...
as a very inexperienced keeper who is usually a quicky, i took my eyes of a ball that was edged off a cow corner slog and it hit me flush on the grill.
From what i experienced the ball defo accelerated off the bat and came at me alot quicker than i expected...
I have the grille on the setting that shouldn't allow the ball through and it didn't come through, i use the Masuri that Kieswetter was wearing and it hasnt really put me off. However the fact a helmet that apparently is up to the new standards has failed has made me want to upgrade to the new Masuri...
Please Ollie, you're just looking for an excuse to flash that new debit card of yours. I got grilled off a top edge pull in the old Masuri (before the sweeping grill) and I was fine. At our level you will be fine. Think off the 2 people you have hit in the helmet this year, wearing a GN and a Woodworm, they were fine.If he's got a green masuri at the moment please don't discourage him from selling it (hopefully to me!) to help fund a new style one ;)
Plus that new Masuri is packing some serious weight!
If he's got a green masuri at the moment please don't discourage him from selling it (hopefully to me!) to help fund a new style one ;)
And debit card, isn't that a bit sensible? Aren't credit cards designed to buy kit you don't need! :D
His is blue, I'm the one with the green one wanting a blue!Well then! Get him to buy a new one, you use the blue one and sell the green one to me, everyone wins! ;)
If he's netting in a Masuri I presume he'll be playing in it - if he does then that'll be a massive blow for Ayrtek
Well then! Get him to buy a new one, you use the blue one and sell the green one to me, everyone wins! ;)
Its funny as Liam and i have discussed me selling him my blue one and me getting the style helmet :DAlmost work out perfectly then!! Haha
On Sky's coverage of the 50 over game today, they showed Broad netting and Cork highlighted the fact that he had changed from an Aditek to the new style Masuri...
He has obviously suffered a lack of confidence in the Aditek...
Or his new carbon fibre one custom made with the lining he prefers hasn't arrived yet...
It will be interesting to see which he chooses - in reality the weight difference between the two is staggering - as is the "visibility". I suspect there will be a certain amount of peer pressure around in the dressing room too.
Regardless it is great that he will be able to play.
I am suprised that no one has asked Stuart Broad.......'Tell me Stuart, where exactly did it hit you?' yet !From the pictures and the broken nose I think that's fairly obvious! :-[
From the pictures and the broken nose I think that's fairly obvious! :-[
Think he's making reference to Mike Gatting, who having worn one from a Windies quick in the 80's was asked that very question during a TV interview.
Think he's making reference to Mike Gatting, who having worn one from a Windies quick in the 80's was asked that very question during a TV interview.I'm too young to know such things, is said interview on YouTube by any chance??
I'm too young to know such things, is said interview on YouTube by any chance??
Good lord man, have you ever played the game! :-)Compared to the time some people on here will have been playing, I'd say probably not in comparison!
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tomtek must not be too concerned that broad is using another brand of cricket helmet if he is off playing cricket with the CBF boys :)
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tomtek must not be too concerned that broad is using another brand of cricket helmet if he is off playing cricket with the CBF boys :)
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tomtek must not be too concerned that broad is using another brand of cricket helmet if he is off playing cricket with the CBF boys :)
According to TMS broad will be wearing a masuri in this test.
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but I think it is because of their unproven claims and because their lids are so heavy and it is hard to see through the gap.All you see from the grill is the grill. I have no doubt they offer quality protection but because of reduced vision the chances of one getting hit is actually increased.
I've always used the helmet with a narrower grille setting, so I wasn't affected. I can't speak for Chad's experience, but on nick's helmet it narrowed the gap, which some would say made visibility worse, if you listened to Atherton this morning.
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Chad, there is another setting where the ball can get through. On the bottom row of holes, second hole from the back. Nick's helmet at the cbf day was set like this and we noticed that the gap was big enough for a ball to get through.
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Chad and Tim did you notice any issues with visibility with the new grill setting.
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Personally after being hit on the grill twice with my Ayrtek I wouldn't look elsewhere - yes this incident is unfortunate but hopefully Tom will be able to bounce back from this and get Broad back in an Ayrtek for the next series, I've tried on the double bar Masuri and seriously can't understand why someone would choose it over an Ayrtek - the vision and weight is awful compared!
including a wonderfully cryptic message to us all....
Chad, there is another setting where the ball can get through. On the bottom row of holes, second hole from the back. Nick's helmet at the cbf day was set like this and we noticed that the gap was big enough for a ball to get through.
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Surely all three of the bottom holes will let the ball through - if not then the one to the right definitely will, if the centre one does. I hope that's made sense?It's not quite that straightforward. I use the rearmost hole on the bottom in that picture and there is no way the ball is getting through. The shape of the front mount is such that you get a variation on gap size as it isn't a flat line.
I might have to try all the settings on my Ayrtek to see if that's correct, unless somebody else already has?
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Did I miss the press release about this? Has anything been said?
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That's not an explanation for what happened though. I want to know the results of the finding. Was it just an already damaged helmet or did the top edge expose a flaw which was previously untested?
Disclaimer: This is not an Ayrtek explanation, and is purely anecdotal
If you look at one of the other pages in this topic, we discovered that on certain settings of the grille, the gap is such that the ball can fit through between the peak and the grille relatively easily (i.e. you can push it through by hand). Looking at the settings that Broad was using (in the pictures of the event), it looks like this is what happened. This also is the widest gap in terms of vision, that the Ayrtek settings allow. You can see the result in the first picture below, and also an indication of another setting where we found the gap large enough for the ball to pass through in the second picture.
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So is this what had happened with Broad? Ayrtek/Aditek still have my potential custom next time I'm in the market for a new lid but they won't if this gets swept under the carpet and forgotten about.There has been no announcement, but the pictures of Broad clearly show him wearing the helmet with the grille on the setting shown in Chad's picture, and we know the ball goes through that gap.
Nothing is being swept under the carpet or forgotten about, an incident analysis has been carried out so we can learn as a result of it and now we have the helmet back in our possession we are better positioned to do this.
Appreciate that it would be good to be able to give an immediate response but without having the helmet back with us to view and obtaining all the relevant info available any release prior to this would be speculation.
This is very interesting.
Tom, are you surprised that pro's do not use carbon fibre helmets? Especially considering the durability of carbon fibre over plastics?
Is Stuart Broad going to be batting with a new Aditek helmet or is he sticking with the Masuri?
We have introduced the AdiZero helmet so that Pros have both options in regards to the liner type combined with the Carbon shell.
Adizero is a seriously light lid. Tried on the prototype at the H4L game a few weeks back and then again at the Lords trade show again last week.
Is there any difference between the "adizero" and the previous ayrtek carbon lid?
It was a freak incident that Stuart accepts and if the top edge hadn't occurred it would have hit the grille. From our analysis the ball speed was between 80-85mph from a distance of 0.4-0.5m, which is above and beyond anything that would be tested for in a lab for the New BSI test (For reference the max speed for the New BSI is at 62.6mph or 28m/s that the helmets need to keep out).
We are confident that the shell is sound in both design and function as it did its job in reducing the force of the initial impact and reducing the severity of injury sustained by the player. Going forward at Elite/international level where ball speeds at in excess of 85mph we are looking to have players using the carbon fibre shells.
I have an old Masuri lid and I have it set so the ball shouldn't be able to get between the peak and the grill. As far as your answer gives me, if I to top edge one in the manner that Broad did under the same conditions, then my Masuri would probably offer me the same kind of protection as I would have whilst wearing an Aditek.Given how the Masuri peak flexes, don't underestimate how much energy was removed from the ball by the damage caused to the material of the peak. Had you been wearing the Masuri, the pace on the ball would have been a lot greater than that from the Ayrtek as it impacted your nose!
There's only one way we can settle this.
We need someone to edge an 85mph bouncer into their face at an angel so it replicates the Stuart Broad incident, do it wearing a variety of kids to see which saves you the most.
I propose we do the top edge test on each of the lids readily available. To make it a fair test, we'll need to do 3 "inpact" runs per helmet.
This will need to be done with an AdiTek, a new style Masuri, an old masuri, the different models of albion, and to keep Vic happy a Shrey! We could also test a few of the cheaper lids that are available too.
Once all these lids have been tested 3 times each, we can see on average what damage was caused, and from that draw a conclusion on the safest lid.
I'll operate the bowling machine, any volunteers to be the guinea pig??
It's typical isn't it. Stuart Broad got hit and walked away with limited damage. All the people wearing a Masuri and who haven't are instantly forgotten.
I would still rate the Ayrtek above the older style Masuri having used both.
Yes, but Stuart B is more high profile. We shouldnt be comparing the helmet to an old Masuri as this didnt meet the new standards.After not hitting a ball off the square all season while wearing my Ayrtek (clearly not my fault) I changed back to my old masuri (must've been the helmets fault...)
Joe Public will not hear about the accidents in county cricket as they don't get the coverage, they will hear about Stuart Broad wearing "one of those funky new helmets" and how he had to go to hospital. Result - little Johnny doesn't want one, and his parents don't want to buy him one!
Given how the Masuri peak flexes, don't underestimate how much energy was removed from the ball by the damage caused to the material of the peak. Had you been wearing the Masuri, the pace on the ball would have been a lot greater than that from the Ayrtek as it impacted your nose!
You're missing the point. One of the key marketing aspects used is how much safer these are than a Masuri. No one has any way of determining how much damage would have been caused to Broad's face had he been wearing a Masuri. It was marketed in a way that the ball cannot get through the gap, but it can. Until as Cam pointed out we can work out how to exactly replicate two 'accidents' and see the difference in damage, as far as I'm concerned a cricket ball to the face is a cricket ball to the face. Saying 'we're happy that his face only got smashed up a little bit' doesn't really cut the mustard for me when it was advertised that his face shouldn't have been smashed at all.In which case you shouldn't bother wearing a helmet. It was never the case that the ball will never mash up the wearer's face. It has never been the case on any helmet. If this is your concern don't bother and take it as it comes. At the level of cricket most of us play, the ball from the bowler's hand is never anywhere near the pace it was bowled at Broad, and therefore the chance of getting it to a pace above which testing has been done is very low.
In which case you shouldn't bother wearing a helmet. It was never the case that the ball will never mash up the wearer's face. It has never been the case on any helmet. If this is your concern don't bother and take it as it comes. At the level of cricket most of us play, the ball from the bowler's hand is never anywhere near the pace it was bowled at Broad, and therefore the chance of getting it to a pace above which testing has been done is very low.
The reality is that in non-First Class cricket it would be very unlikely that the ball would mash you in the face (and I'm sure Tom has done the research to check how it relates to other helmets), however, saying you thought that the ball would never have smashed his face isn't what was ever advertised. If that is what you believe then no helmet will ever fulfil your requirements, unless you put a Hockey Goalkeeper's guard on one and sacrifice the visibility.
If the discussion is about public perception, then all three incidents look very similar and that's how the public will see them and thus will draw conclusions from that. Public perception is always difficult.Going on public perception alone, by the player reactions Bredan McCullum was the only one left standing after the impact. Would that not lead them to beleive that the oldest model masuri is safest as he came out "best off"??
If the discussion is about the technicalities of what happened amongst an informed group, then the Broad incident is technically due to many factors.
And excuse me if I missed something in the press release, but I don't believe it says that the Ayrtek/Adidas helmet is impregnable.
Going on public perception alone, by the player reactions Bredan McCullum was the only one left standing after the impact. Would that not lead them to beleive that the oldest model masuri is safest as he came out "best off"??I was going to make some comment about Brendon McCullum being the most hard headed.....
I was going to make some comment about Brendon McCullum being the most hard headed.....
:D :D :DI was trying to determine that.
All joking aside did Kieswetter top edge his delivery?
Having seen the McCullum incident I think his just went straight through the grille, whereas Broad top edged his to change the angle.
Also notice the difference is grille settings between each incident.
They may look similar at first, but there are so many variables it really is difficult to accuracy compare these incidents.
If I'm not mistaken, I seem to remember reading (possibly on that this type of incident was why Ayrtek was founded as they wanted to produce a helmet that would stop it happening and as far as they were concerned they had found the solution with the Ayrtek design.All the quotes I've seen state that the design would "reduce the likelihood of the ball passing between the grill and visor". I don't think I've seen "eliminate" used.
All the quotes I've seen state that the design would "reduce the likelihood of the ball passing between the grill and visor". I don't think I've seen "eliminate" used.
I think that blaming "top edge" as the culprit in Broad incident is a red herring. Market messaging around Ayrtek made it sound like it was impenetrable.
As a buyer, should I keep in mind the following caveats :
1. It will only work for speeds less than X kph/mph?
2. In case of a deflection or bat edge, the speed will become X+Y kph/mph hence unstoppable?
Basically whether it is Masuri or Ayrtek, you are minimizing injury and not all together eliminating it.
To be fair Ayrtek have never said their lids are impregnable. Just as your last point says it would be like a car manufacturer selling you a car that you couldn't be hurt or killed in a car crash, thats impossible. Risk can be minimised but not eradicated in walks of life.
This is the world we live in where marketing "speak" does not exactly state anything definitively. Everything is implied.I don't know about you, but I think Ayrtek have always been pretty open about what they have tested to? An impact at 30 degrees to the grill and peak from 0.6m at 75mph is pretty specific.
For nonprofessional cricketers, those who have to pay for their injuries from their own pocket, The helmet manufacturers should disclose more information about the tolerance levels all these helmets.
You have pointed out that Broads injuries were less severe than Kieswetters. Kieswetter had the gap far too wide, so the helmet would have barely done anything to stop the ball. That comparison is therefore irrelevant to us as he may as well have not been wearing a lid.Pictures do suggest what you are saying. Just surprised why no one else picked up on the gap difference.
just to confirm no helmet has passed the new test yet as the bsi people haven't built their facility yet.
we also know the test will only go up to 67 odd mph and anything above that is a guess by the manufacturer.
the current test machines only go to 75 mph.
this is because they are fired from an air cannon as these are the most accuracte for the testing.
you can't use a bola as they aren't accurate enough.
until we see how one of the other helmets take a similar hit, at more than 80 mph we are just guessing.
fact is broad was wearing a club helmet in a test match, which in my view performed extremely well, given the forces at stake.
how many of you have had a broken nose? it usually doesn't take much...
This is the world we live in where marketing "speak" does not exactly state anything definitively. Everything is implied.
For nonprofessional cricketers, those who have to pay for their injuries from their own pocket, The helmet manufacturers should disclose more information about the tolerance levels all these helmets.
I think that is besides the point Buzz.
From the average punter, why would someone go and purchase an Ayrtek/Aditek whatever you want to call it for quite a large some of money when i could purchase said masuri or Albion lid which could result in the same outcome,
I think the real question has to be answered in why Broad is using a helmet designed for club land in a Test match. Thats like turning up to a game of tennis with a squash racquet
I would also like to add, looking at the incidents with masuri lids over the post years (kieswetter and McCullum) You can see from Kieswetter injury that his grill is lower than what is recommended as the ball got through without even touching the visor or grill, same for McCullum. I met MCullum last time NZ were in Aus and asked him why he had such a low grill and it was purely a preference thing for vision. Therefore in these instances i don think you can say Masuri are at fault as it is player preference there. The issue i have with the broad incident is that he was wearing a lid designed for club land which obviously led to a malfunction as it was pushed beyond what it was designed for.
I do want to ask AYrtek as well, in the previous testing, what were the deemed scenarios the helmets were tested under as if i was designing a helmet, i would assume that one of the common incidents that could result in ball and helmet and ball coming into contact would be a top edge. I have seen it already in my AUS season and we have just finished week 2. lucky the top edge got high on the lid and it the badge of the helmet rather than the gap in the peak.
Is there an argument that all helmets should not be able to set with "unsafe" grills by the user (like the new Masuri I think), it might stop a lot of accidents and avoid unnecessary blame?
I don't remember Broad, Kieswetter or Mcculum blaming anyone !!
I personally am against Masuri fixing the grill setting [main reason I switched to old Masuri]. This decision is down to individuals, manufactures should offer advice but the final decision has to remain with individuals.
I don't think they did, but there certainly seems to be an under-current of blame being aportioned here by some
I don't remember Broad, Kieswetter or Mcculum blaming anyone !!
I personally am against Masuri fixing the grill setting [main reason I switched to old Masuri]. This decision is down to individuals, manufactures should offer advice but the final decision has to remain with individuals.
I don't think they did, but there certainly seems to be an undercurrent of blame being apportioned here by some
What really staggers me though is that we can put a man on the moon, build stuff with nano technology and drop precision guided munitions from 20,000 ft but for some mystical reason nobody can make a cricket ball travel over 75mph in a lab. Just get one made with a magnet in the centre and use electromagnets to accelerate it. It'll go like a startled badger out of the blocks and be pin point accurate. Or just write to Mythbusters and ask them to sort it out - it's a shame tomorrow's world is no longer on TV as they could've had a crack too...I think the other point is the economics of doing this. Using readily available components, the 75mph test was relatively simple to perform and could be set up at a number of test centres relatively simply, without costing a lot of money.
I think the other point is the economics of doing this. Using readily available components, the 75mph test was relatively simple to perform and could be set up at a number of test centres relatively simply, without costing a lot of money.
As soon as you have to build properly specialist kit, the cost of the test so far outweighs the margins to be made that it becomes an exercise that no-one will undertake, as so many people don't really care.
27 pages of thread makes me think that people do care.16 if you are viewing from a different device! But the point is that people on the forum are interested, but won't necessarily pay any more for a helmet that was tested to a higher standard than they will ever use.
16 if you are viewing from a different device! But the point is that people on the forum are interested, but won't necessarily pay any more for a helmet that was tested to a higher standard than they will ever use.
And the forum is a tiny percentage of the sales of a product. Just talk to the likes of Masuri, etc. Is it worth increasing the cost if 99% of people are not bothered enough?
That's fair enough but I think you're underestimating the forum. I've put people off products and likewise put people onto products based on reviews that people have done on here. At the end of the day cricketers talk kit a lot of the time - it's like watching those green aliens in toy story everytime a new bat comes out in a club changing room (ooooooooh! Shiny!). The forum has gone international with our eastern, antipodean and U.S. friends. I'm not saying we've got major impact but I think we count for more than 1%.We've looked at the participation rates in the UK. We have 3,500 members and typically have 14,000 "users" according to Google Analytics. The ECB in 2013 registered 908,000 adult participants in recreational cricket. To achieve one percent of that we would have to touch 9,000 people in the UK alone, so while we may touch the equivalent of 2% of the cricket playing population in the UK, we are nowhere near 1% worldwide (given the numbers in India, which is where the sales growth and cost dynamics will play the biggest part). This ECB study also doesn't include under-18s, which all have to wear a helmet.
The cost of testing will only be a small fraction compared to the amount spent on marketing and testing facilities will be shared by all brands. I don't think cost plays any role here. Cricket boards should be able to contribute as well if the need be.
Cost always plays a role and the issue here would be who funds it. It's not a straightforward matter
It can't be a deal breaker. Consumers/Players are already paying through their noses for the high end models.It's not just about the cost. An incredibly complex testing rig for a sport with fewer than a million adult participants, of whom more than 95% play at a level where the less complex and demanding test is more than enough also comes into play.
brands will start to use fixed grills with only 1 fixing as the BSI test states that they will set the grille position in the weakest/widest possible setting to carry out the tests.
Obviously by only having 1 setting this is ruled out, this give the end user less options in terms of finding a fit that works for them as a compromise. Its a catch 22 where we were asked by players previously to offer a grille that enabled them to set it wider than the balls width so that they have better vision. Yet by offering this you are at risk of being hit by the ball if the worst happens, some players will accept this risk whilst others will opt for a setting that may mean getting used to the grille in their eyeline but having better levels of protection as a result.
We are in the process of submitting the range for BSI testing currently which means we have to eradicate all the other holes from the grille that allow adjustments beyond the recommended setting.
It will be a grille with the same use of nut caps to attach it so that people can change between steel and titanium grill upgrades if they wish to do so.
Tom any consideration to a visor+grill combo? most Ice hockey player's helmets only have visors and puck is very hard / travels fast but the visor is able to handle the impact. If you had a grill that also had a visor (clear or some kind of vison enhancing/glare reduction like oakley lenses) then it might resolve the issue of gap, visibility and provide extra benefits like enhanced red for test cricket and enhanced white for odi??Sod it, I'm going to start playing in a NFL helmet - one of the ones with the polarised eye lenses in (I think wide receivers use them?). If I get a Miami Dolphins one I can buy a load of kookaburra impulse kit in the sales and it'll still match!
It's not just about the cost. An incredibly complex testing rig for a sport with fewer than a million adult participants, of whom more than 95% play at a level where the less complex and demanding test is more than enough also comes into play.
The forum has gone international with our eastern, antipodean and U.S. friends. I'm not saying we've got major impact but I think we count for more than 1%.
Across the pond here and have looked into the US sports helmets as substitute . :D [Note: Ice-hockey bags are a lot cheaper here and can get great used ones. ;)]Yup we use hockey bags for our team kits too. Fit a lot of gear and made really well so last a long time
Hi Tom
Can you confirm to me how did that ball penetrate broads grill if your helmets are so "safe"
I saw Stuart Broad and Rohit Sharma recently at the 2015 photoshoot and spoke to Stuart about the incident. The helmet shows significant damage on the underpeak section and actually has hairline fractures at the front grille position on the shell such was the severity of the impact in forcing the peak upwards. This shows the sheer force that occurred at the moment of impact and the fact the shell of the helmet acted to absorb a vast majority of the balls force.
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It was a freak incident that Stuart accepts and if the top edge hadn't occurred it would have hit the grille. From our analysis the ball speed was between 80-85mph from a distance of 0.4-0.5m, which is above and beyond anything that would be tested for in a lab for the New BSI test (For reference the max speed for the New BSI is at 62.6mph or 28m/s that the helmets need to keep out).
Our preliminary research that was carried out showed the PremierTek helmets ability to perform at 75mph when tested against an adult size ball when hit at a 30 degree angle. External factors beyond our control such as the age/shape and hardness of the ball can effect the results of the testing and these obviously chance from ball to ball in match scenario.
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We are confident that the shell is sound in both design and function as it did its job in reducing the force of the initial impact and reducing the severity of injury sustained by the player. Going forward at Elite/international level where ball speeds at in excess of 85mph we are looking to have players using the carbon fibre shells.
Hi Tom
Can you confirm to me how did that ball penetrate broads grill if your helmets are so "safe"
Stuart Broad got hit in the face because he top edged the ball. This is the part that concerns me. I play at a level where you are most likely to receive a ball to the grille because of a beamer, a ball rearing up from a dodgy track or a top edge. The bowlers just aren't fast enough to dish out chin music. I have been hit on the head three times during batting in my life and two of those were from top edges (one from a sweep, one from a pull) and the other was from a ricochet in nets. Testing the peak and grille from top edges must be given a lot more thought, especially for the lower end models. It's said that Ayrtek do the top edge test at an angle of 30 degrees. Wouldn't it be more helpful in the long run if a wider variety of angles were tested?While you may have a concern here, the other thing you'd need to take into consideration is that it's not just the top edge that has an impact on the speed of the ball. The bowler was bowling at 87mph, which will have had a significant impact on the speed the ball was top edged at. If you are facing this level of pace on a regular level, then I can understand your concern, but if the speeds you are facing are lower than 75mph, you will struggle to get a top edge to travel at 75mph.
That could well be the case, we asked for the helmets we submitted to preliminary testing to be pushed beyond the 63mph limit to see how far they could go whilst still performing as desired.
All very well as a marketing tool... until one sneaks through at anything less than the rated speed.
Re. safety standards/testing to failure - the theoretical point of a safety standard is that once you exceed it, you are safe for the majority of incidents, so the testing for the standard will be performed at that speed/load/whatever and the helmet/other product passes or fails. Testing to failure can't be standardised due to each helmet failing at different points. You would hope, however, that at least some manufacturers would do failure testing as part of r&d, but will they have the facilities to do it?
Am I being thick if I ask how does a top edge increase the speed of a ball?
I would have thought it would change the flight of a projectile, and if anything, reduce with the friction?
Am I being thick if I ask how does a top edge increase the speed of a ball?
I would have thought it would change the flight of a projectile, and if anything, reduce with the friction?
To put some perspective on this, I'm a new customer and I've just put in an order for a PremierTek Titanium.
I...
- Have never worn a lid before
- Saw Broad get hit
- Much prefer cloth style helmets
- Grew up with Masuri and Albion and like the traditional style... I even like the new Masuri shape including peak (maybe the only person)
- Think the helmet shape might make my head look ridiculous... :D
Yet I wasn't put off. I still went for it and that's down to the weight and positive reviews of the vision - that's what I care about most (assuming there are no problems with fit as I'm having to buy blind!)
From a safety perspective - perhaps naively, I view safety as a commodity in the world of helmets. Therefore I assume that all helmets, at the level I play will greatly reduce (not eliminate) the risk of injury.
Maybe I'm odd but this really didn't sway my decision at all.
I think you have missed it - scroll back a couple of pagesThanks ;)
Apologies if this is covered in another topic, in the World Cup Broad is using the Masuri, will we see Broad in the Aditek again?
I have watched most of the matches, and as yet I have not seen anyone wearing this helmet, personally and this is only my opinion, i find this helmet to be the most ugly i have ever seen.
Andy balbirnie of Ireland started the wc wearing an Ayrtek but wore an albion yesterday