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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: 19reading87 on April 24, 2020, 09:13:40 AM
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Just announced - no cricket till at least 1st July.
I think that pretty much rules out any league cricket at amateur level for this summer.
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Very depressing.
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Would have been the Half way point For us in the WEPL, lets hope we get some played. Was really looking forward to Eng v Oz at the county ground as well on July 16th 😢
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The announcement seems to be in relation to the professional game only at this point. I think it would be a reasonable assumption though that the recreational game, although probably lower risk (lower spectators, limited support staff, less people needed to get the game on) won't be significantly different at this stage
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What do we predict will happen once Pro games have started? Will amateur friendlies then be allowed straight away? Or will we have to wait months extra?
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My Surrey membership pack with 175th year commemorative pin arrived today. Ah.
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Would have been the Half way point For us in the WEPL, lets hope we get some played. Was really looking forward to Eng v Oz at the county ground as well on July 16th 😢
Our league did this at a very early stage, cancelled everything up until the 1st of July with the hope we might get the second half of the season in.
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My Surrey membership pack with 175th year commemorative pin arrived today. Ah.
You won't have to worry about a refund now then! ;)
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Our league did this at a very early stage, cancelled everything up until the 1st of July with the hope we might get the second half of the season in.
Our league did the same. They have basically said there are 3 options on the table depending on when/if we come back -
1. Back by/on July 4th - start of reverse fixtures so everyone would just play each other once and then only 1 club (rather than 2) would go down and up from each division.
2. Back in early August - Cup competition only that is seeded based on league 2019 standings.
3. Back later than this - would be friendlies only down to clubs to organise. League to restart in 2021.
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Our league did the same. They have basically said there are 3 options on the table depending on when/if we come back -
1. Back by/on July 4th - start of reverse fixtures so everyone would just play each other once and then only 1 club (rather than 2) would go down and up from each division.
2. Back in early August - Cup competition only that is seeded based on league 2019 standings.
3. Back later than this - would be friendlies only down to clubs to organise. League to restart in 2021.
Yes I think a lot of boards will have this as the template,option 1,half a season and one up one down.
The social distancing rules may have to give a little thou, I don't think most of us believe it's possible for players and umpires to practically stay within the current guidelines so if they don't change can cricket really be played? Looks unlikely.
I don't know about anyone else,the forum spreads Countrywide but I see more and more people out and not just doing exercise or going to work/supermarket.
There's a limit to how long the lockdown can be effective for and people follow the rules.
Gut feeling based on nothing at all scientific is a partial relaxation of the rules in May-pubs,clubs,restaurants is far more problematic thou.
Health comes first but there is monumental damage being done to the economy,the govt is in a very difficult position making these judgement calls.
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Yes I think a lot of boards will have this as the template,option 1,half a season and one up one down.
The social distancing rules may have to give a little thou, I don't think most of us believe it's possible for players and umpires to practically stay within the current guidelines so if they don't change can cricket really be played? Looks unlikely.
I don't know about anyone else,the forum spreads Countrywide but I see more and more people out and not just doing exercise or going to work/supermarket.
There's a limit to how long the lockdown can be effective for and people follow the rules.
Gut feeling based on nothing at all scientific is a partial relaxation of the rules in May-pubs,clubs,restaurants is far more problematic thou.
Health comes first but there is monumental damage being done to the economy,the govt is in a very difficult position making these judgement calls.
Well, the latest medical research I read suggested transmission was much lower outside than inside - apparently confined spaces and public transport cause the majority of transmissions - and the statement on Monday by Sturgeon that rules on outdoor activities would be relaxed first suggests that the gov. are aware of this.
The difference of course between a professional cricket game with at least 500 people present even if played behind closed doors, and a recreation cricket match with 22 blokes and a dog is clear for anyone to see.
We polled players and opposition skippers and they all think its possible to have a game whilst sticking strictly to social distancing guidelines, have you tried your players?
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Wouldn't be shocked to see cricket training allowed before games are.
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ECB is suppose to provide guidance on recreational today in regards to cricket nets/training.
My understanding is 1-1 nets is ok? Have any of your clubs provided guidance, or are they waiting for ECB?
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Our nets are owned by the council.
We were told not to put them up when the lockdown started, and are waiting for them to make a decision (apparently tomorrow).
Whatever the ECB say today will no doubt impact if they're allowed to go up or not.
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I suppose it all depends on where the nets are and as to who runs them.
In my town there is a club where nets are accessible without anyone being there, so there wouldnt be any stopping people going there to use them. But then theres another club that would need someone there to open the nets up. If they cant find anyone willing to open them up and supervise then even if the ECB/Government are happy for them to be open and used with restrictions club members might not actually be able to use them.
Luckily the club I was due to join this year has a club secretary with access that I know well and is happy to open them up if I want to use them (once the ECB give suitable guidance of course)
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We have our own nets and will put them up as soon as the ECB states its ok and then we will book sessions and times via our whats app group with a max of 2 hours per household and a 30min gap between each usage to allow for them to leave and all the Bola balls to be placed in a bucket of water and disinfectant. If not using the Bola machine must use your own balls
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Im gasping for a net. I don't mind if its with just 1 other person but never in a million years will that person be my wife so I'm pleased there seems to be a bit of flexibility appearing in terms of meeting up / exercising. Problem is the club nets are locked up and I'm not sure if the leisure centre is staffed to open them (or be willing to open them in any case).
In other news the wife has stated she does not mind if I build a net in the garden (including digging a level strip, concreting it and putting a playing mat on top) so if I can find the funds and the energy I could be set for years :D
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Ecb guidance on nets is out
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/ecb_give_green_light_for_clubs_to_reopen_nets_cricket_coronavirus.html (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/ecb_give_green_light_for_clubs_to_reopen_nets_cricket_coronavirus.html)
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'One net free between nets'
We only have indoor facilities anyway, so no different for us. Ah.
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Bit gutted as our club has an outdoor cage for netting that we would usually use during a "normal" season and throwdown nets that are on poles that you can pop up. Unfortunately the club chairman is not letting us use them even with the new guidance released today.
Considering we pay a groundsman, i'm pretty disappointed a wicket or two couldn't be prepared for some one to one practice for what I would imagine would be most of the day on both Saturday and Sunday every week. I understand its not just cutting some grass and might not be worth the effort, but i'd have preferred to see them give us something back for our annual subs.
Anyone having this with their own clubs?
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That's pretty poor imo, as you say what's the point of being a member of a cricket club if you can't play some cricket now it's permitted again.
We've got the perfect facilities for this in theory - three astro lanes and a grass net, but as the uni own the ground we're dependent on them opening it up again. Crossing fingers but not hopeful we'll get a net before June.
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We've got a good set up for this too. Four lanes, so could use 1 and 4 to ensure distance, cage on the 2s square and then put up netting around the astro strip on the colts pitch.
We're waiting for our committee interpretation of the guidance but I can see the club opening up again. Worryingly though, my pub manager has said we are aiming to reopen on 4th July, so hopefully he remembers that I booked every Saturday this summer off!
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As part of the committee, we have taken the sad decision to remain closed.
Given the ECB guidelines we didnt feel it was a viable option (we havent taken any subscriptions so far this, and can survive until at least April next season with no further funds).
As a player would love to be out there. But feel as a club we have made the right decision.
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As part of the committee, we have taken the sad decision to remain closed.
Given the ECB guidelines we didnt feel it was a viable option (we havent taken any subscriptions so far this, and can survive until at least April next season with no further funds).
As a player would love to be out there. But feel as a club we have made the right decision.
I am also on the committee at my club and I don't understand why any club would voluntarily remain closed, a simple Google booking sheet and timed slots would facilitate practice in nets.
To each their own, but that's just my opinion
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I havent read the report in fine detail as of yet but if your netting with another person at your club and at least one is a member is that not the representative of your club element covered. As I said I haven't read In full but didnt seem to see on scan reading an independent person had to be present.
My club is going to Allow netting but wants to set up all elements in full and not just allow people to rush down tomorrow for example
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I would have said that a member and a booking list qualifies but with such little guidance and such early days since just even being allowed out of the house except for very limited things I suspect they have decided ensuring safe use and eliminating *unsafe* use (perhaps the more tricky thing) is too much liability to take on. Theres just no context yet for how to do things like this is in way is considered *safe*
Across your two comments Dan- I feel youve summed it up very well I feel.
I see what Leachy is saying, but with all the unknowns we have taken an easier option at present.
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We take the nets off the cages every year and store them over winter to keep them in the best possible condition.
We didnt get them back on before lockdown. Its definitely more than a two man job unfortunately
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The club took a poll vote yesterday and 81% were against opening. Reasons were mainly based about it being stupid, too risky, not worth the risk and the club not being put in a position by a few individuals where it could go on to contaminate others.
All in all, I agree. We seem to have many people eager to be ill be all right jack and rush headlong into a second wave jut for the sake of a quick buck or a bit of sport (which wont start this season anyway - if it does, nothing meaningful as many players wont play)
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I think we all need to accept that the season is a write off. Even if only a small percentage of people refuse to play many clubs wont be able to put out a side.
If there is a reluctance to net I can imagine the problems in getting 22 people together for a game. Also, how much prep have people been putting into their grounds? Not a lot I imagine.
Golf and darts for me from now on i think.
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We've been keeping the ground ready to play within two weeks of getting the all clear. New groundsmen have the squares good to go, nets stay up over winter, committee members have been keeping non playing areas mowed and tidy.
There is a lot of enthusiasm to get back out there, but tempered with caution.
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Thats admirable commitment. I hope the other teams in your division have shown the same desire. We have done nothing (the committees run by the other team in the club). And I imagine other teams in our league are in a similar situation. Im not sure Ive missed the cricket, more the social side.
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There is a feeling that we want to maintain positive momentum from last season. Three teams promoted, two as champions, and the 4s now joining the league rather than just playing ad hoc friendlies.
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First outdoor 1-1 net sessions planned for today and tomorrow after our nets have been refurbed over the winter
Tough to see cricket happening but its a chance to get a bit of a hit
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I am the chairman at my club and we have taken the view that we can't safely manage the opening of the nets given the current restrictions. As a club run by volunteers, we just don't have the capacity to operate outdoor nets safely.
In terms of the ground, it is being maintained as it would be normaly for this time of year - save for the preparation of pitches for individual games - so we are ready to go but I don't expect to see any games this summer. I think that the best we can hope for is less restrictive practice.
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I think we all need to accept that the season is a write off. Even if only a small percentage of people refuse to play many clubs wont be able to put out a side.
If there is a reluctance to net I can imagine the problems in getting 22 people together for a game. Also, how much prep have people been putting into their grounds? Not a lot I imagine.
Golf and darts for me from now on i think.
This is what I see happening...even if a league can start so many will either miss through vulnerable (over weight, diabetes have all presented. A higher risk).. then people with families and kids or pregnant other halves.. who wants to risk their family just for a game of cricket. Cant really run a credible league with such things.
Few ad hoc friendlies is the only viable option for those who want to risk it.
Save the hard netting for the winter and just write 2020 off
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Well....something some of us, although mentioned on this thread, didn't really see coming appears to be happening.
Which is even if net practice, if you can arrange it, leads to games in July for example, players diving in to play may be the problem.
Personally I would be happy to play without worrying too much about catching anything, maybe I'm biased, I missed the whole of 2019 and was told I cannot play cricket again(since changed with conditions) but I'm hearing 10 out of 11 players I know in one team are not happy playing at all this summer. If correct that would put the club in a difficult position as they would be essentially one whole team short and therefore forfeit matches in one of the lower teams in that club.
I don't blame anyone at all for not wanting to risk playing, it could also be people have taken on additional work or worried about paying out costs for cricket when there is precarious job security, or a combination of a few reasons.
10 out of 11 is a lot and it could be that becomes just as much of a problem for clubs going forward.
There's no easy answer to fixing that either.
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I am the chairman at my club and we have taken the view that we can't safely manage the opening of the nets given the current restrictions. As a club run by volunteers, we just don't have the capacity to operate outdoor nets safely.
In terms of the ground, it is being maintained as it would be normaly for this time of year - save for the preparation of pitches for individual games - so we are ready to go but I don't expect to see any games this summer. I think that the best we can hope for is less restrictive practice.
We are pretty much exactly in the same position as yourselves. It's the most sensible and logical thing to do currently
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Some bigger clubs around here have already put safe netting arrangements in place (not ours as yet).
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So...
Are people covered by insurance etc if they arent members ? (Aka, paid this years subs)
If clubs are opening their facilities are they going to provide toilets / first aid etc etc .. if so, how is that managed safely (who is going to clean said facilities as they dont know if each person uses it so surely it has to be sanitised?)
Who is going to clean the net facility as Im assuming given they dont really know how long Covid lasts outside if someone touches the net/posts etc.. itll need regular cleaning
Club machine .. who gets to use it ? How is it safely used and cleaned between uses?
Club stumps... again, safe use .. are they cleaned between use .. who ensures this or are we relying on people doing it themselves ? (What happens If the idiot before me doesnt clean up and then I catch it and are hospitalised and it costs me money., can I sue the club for loss of earnings? (I wouldnt but we live in a blame no win no fee culture so this sadly has to be considered)
How do you stop randoms rocking up ?
So many things sadly, its just not a case of rocking up for a few hits . Clubs I fear will rush into opening and leaf the,selves wide open should it go wrong .. all for a bit or a hit when there is no serious prospect of any league stuff happening (even if it does in name, so many from clubs wont play itll be meaningless)
Just doesnt seem worth the risk as sad as that is to say
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So...
Are people covered by insurance etc if they arent members ? (Aka, paid this years subs)
If clubs are opening their facilities are they going to provide toilets / first aid etc etc .. if so, how is that managed safely (who is going to clean said facilities as they dont know if each person uses it so surely it has to be sanitised?)
Who is going to clean the net facility as Im assuming given they dont really know how long Covid lasts outside if someone touches the net/posts etc.. itll need regular cleaning
Club machine .. who gets to use it ? How is it safely used and cleaned between uses?
Club stumps... again, safe use .. are they cleaned between use .. who ensures this or are we relying on people doing it themselves ? (What happens If the idiot before me doesnt clean up and then I catch it and are hospitalised and it costs me money., can I sue the club for loss of earnings? (I wouldnt but we live in a blame no win no fee culture so this sadly has to be considered)
How do you stop randoms rocking up ?
So many things sadly, its just not a case of rocking up for a few hits . Clubs I fear will rush into opening and leaf the,selves wide open should it go wrong .. all for a bit or a hit when there is no serious prospect of any league stuff happening (even if it does in name, so many from clubs wont play itll be meaningless)
Just doesnt seem worth the risk as sad as that is to say
These are all things clubs should consider, as per the ECB guidelines.
Which is why it's going to be a completely club by club decision. And I wouldn't begrudge any club for not opening up their nets.
I do believe there are clubs that can make it work, clubs that have groundsman that can be there watching over things for example and clubs which are able to keep their nets private from the randoms showing up etc....
The other thing is nets need to be able to be put up with only 2 people whilst social distancing, which can't be easy!
I believe my club are drawing up some protocols for use this weekend. So we will see what the committee come up with.
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In more news the ICC are set to ban the use of saliva on the ball but you are allowed to use sweat apparently there's a big difference in the chances of transmission of COVID-19 between saliva and sweat.
Also they are suggesting 2 home umpires.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cricket/52714934?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cricket/52714934?__twitter_impression=true)
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oh good.. less swing and even flatter batter wickets. lovely
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oh good.. less swing and even flatter batter wickets. lovely
Genuinely, do you ever have anything positive to say?
Your comments seem to be nothing but negativity towards any form of cricket.
Also, many bowlers advocate sweat getting more swing that saliva.
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Genuinely, do you ever have anything positive to say?
Your comments seem to be nothing but negativity towards any form of cricket.
Also, many bowlers advocate sweat getting more swing that saliva.
a balanced game on a sporting wicket is awesome fun (when there isn't any verbals).. great game.. a flat deck with a ball that barely moves is pretty dire both to play in and watch
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a balanced game on a sporting wicket is awesome fun (when there isn't any verbals).. great game.. a flat deck with a ball that barely moves is pretty dire both to play in and watch
On the "when there isn't any verbals" topic, would you prefer all games ended in a tie to avoid one team getting their feelings hurt, too?
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On the "when there isn't any verbals" topic, would you prefer all games ended in a tie to avoid one team getting their feelings hurt, too?
Farcical tie suggestions aside, would it really be so bad if amateur cricket players didn't set out to hurt other people's feelings?
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It seems, to me anyway, that without the use of saliva - home teams will have to consider more grass on the pitches. Alternatively in Asia more dust bowls as reverse will be harder to attain. more interesting cricket in those situations
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I would say it is probably more a case of leaving more moisture in the surface as opposed to strictly grass length and preparing greener pitches to facilitate more movement for bowlers
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Farcical tie suggestions aside, would it really be so bad if amateur cricket players didn't set out to hurt other people's feelings?
The only joy I get out of cricket is trying to make children on the opposition team cry. This is a ridiculous suggestion 😂
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A few weeks ago we had a discussion about the feasibility of socially-distanced cricket.
Two articles appeared today that provide the definitive expert viewpoint: I've provided quotes and links below. hopefully this clears up any confusion that people may have had.
First, from the cricketer magazine:
“Sir Jeremy Farrar is one of the foremost infectious disease specialists in the world. A member of the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), he is part of a panel of experts who have collectively helped inform national strategy during the coronavirus crisis.
He said the following of recreational cricket:
If you take a cricket game and think sensibly, how can we still have a game which respects some of the physical distancing measures that make sense: hand-washing between overs, not spitting on the ball, using umpires from the teams to reduce the number of people, changing at home and going to the ground. You can think through a game from early in the morning to stumps and come up logically with a plan in the context of physical distancing which wouldn’t ruin the game. I think you could do that and have games potentially played in July and August.
What can we do with our scientific knowledge to reduce risk and allow recreational cricket to go on, which is hugely important. People’s wellbeing has been so negatively impacted with this, we all know that, and getting people active again is hugely important. None of us have done anywhere near as much physical exercise as we would ordinarily do during this, and there is a very positive benefit to our wellbeing and physical health through games of cricket, other sports and exercise. If we can just adapt things a bit to accommodate physical distancing, I think there would be some very positive aspects to getting back to recreational cricket.”
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/sir_jeremy_farrar_qa_cricket_coronavirus_crowds_sport_venues.html (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/sir_jeremy_farrar_qa_cricket_coronavirus_crowds_sport_venues.html)
In an article in Wisden, Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer in infectious disease control at the University of Exeter’s College of Medicine and Health said: “The possibility of a ball carrying infection is remote, remote. It may have infectious saliva on it, but I don’t think the ball is infectious. It’s out in the open air, a drying-out environment, which is perfect. Even men around the bat [in close proximity] is only a marginal risk.
https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/club-cricket/disease-specialist-deems-playing-cricket-low-risk-activity-for-spreading-coronavirus (https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/club-cricket/disease-specialist-deems-playing-cricket-low-risk-activity-for-spreading-coronavirus)
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I've been asked if I can help out with being a club presence to monitor nets, probably during colt times. Going to have a booking system, different sections having different allocated times to book within.
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Its nice to read such articles, but I think all of us should mentally prepare for the possibility that there wont be any league cricket this year. Would any league risk allowing cricket and want to be blamed if a game of cricket led to multiple ppl getting infected? Even though the chance of that happening could be 1000:1, I doubt they will want to take that chance.
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Its nice to read such articles, but I think all of us should mentally prepare for the possibility that there wont be any league cricket this year. Would any league risk allowing cricket and want to be blamed if a game of cricket led to multiple ppl getting infected? Even though the chance of that happening could be 1000:1, I doubt they will want to take that chance.
Because a) the science is pretty clear and has been for some time that a game of cricket won't lead to multiple people being infected, as long as they follow the rules, and b) neither the league nor the club are liable anyway. Players play at their own risk. The league doesn't get in trouble every time players are involved in a car accident on the way to the game. The club doesn't get in trouble every time someone sprains their ankle in the covers. Sometimes accidents happen, it doesn't automatically mean that someone has to be liable.
the responsibility of the league is to follow the scientific advice. If the scientific advice says its safe, as it does, then it has done all it is legally required to do.
Once we reach the point where the scientific advice states that risk of transmission during a game is sufficiently low enough for cricket to be safely played, then there is no justifiable reason for any club or league to prevent play from taking place.
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It'd be a sad state of affairs if blame culture has really got that far!
Good to hear someone up the top end is thinking about club cricket, we can but hope. Hard to believe that games couldn't take place with a little flexibility and willing.
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Because a) the science is pretty clear and has been for some time that a game of cricket won't lead to multiple people being infected, as long as they follow the rules, and b) neither the league nor the club are liable anyway. Players play at their own risk. The league doesn't get in trouble every time players are involved in a car accident on the way to the game. The club doesn't get in trouble every time someone sprains their ankle in the covers. Sometimes accidents happen, it doesn't automatically mean that someone has to be liable.
the responsibility of the league is to follow the scientific advice. If the scientific advice says its safe, as it does, then it has done all it is legally required to do.
Once we reach the point where the scientific advice states that risk of transmission during a game is sufficiently low enough for cricket to be safely played, then there is no justifiable reason for any club or league to prevent play from taking place.
if this was true why would clubs/coaches take insurance out?? Plus, what's the point of league cricket if some of the players can't play due to being vulnerable (diabeties so not just oldies) or because they won't risk their family.. As soon as clubs could be missing players regularly the league will be a joke anyway so become a random lottery of a season.
No swinging ball (or far less)
Keeper stood up? way less than 2M..
Umpire / Bowler and batter will all be within 2M of each other regularly
How do you stop a batter and bowler/fielder coming too close for a run out attempt?
The laws/games would have to be changed drastically to allow safe play. Sure players could 'just risk it' but again, as above.. many players won't so 'league' cricket becomes kinda pointless as you'll have random teams who may not be the same as their normal team.
If there are players in aug/setp who just want to risk it then play a few friendlies
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Our first team alone would lose
Best Bowler - Diabeties
Best Batter - Young family who I won't risk for a game of cricket
4 players - Young families who they won't risk
1 player who generally is unaffected but 'technically' suffers asthma so would be classed as vulnerable so wouldn't play.
These players simply can't be replaced so the team would be decimated and any league game would become a farce. The other clubs in the league report the same to differing degree's as you'd imagine. The odd club unsurprisingly has the least missing wants to play as they smell a league win etc.
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if this was true why would clubs/coaches take insurance out?? Plus, what's the point of league cricket if some of the players can't play due to being vulnerable (diabeties so not just oldies) or because they won't risk their family.. As soon as clubs could be missing players regularly the league will be a joke anyway so become a random lottery of a season.
No swinging ball (or far less)
Keeper stood up? way less than 2M..
Umpire / Bowler and batter will all be within 2M of each other regularly
How do you stop a batter and bowler/fielder coming too close for a run out attempt?
The laws/games would have to be changed drastically to allow safe play. Sure players could 'just risk it' but again, as above.. many players won't so 'league' cricket becomes kinda pointless as you'll have random teams who may not be the same as their normal team.
If there are players in aug/setp who just want to risk it then play a few friendlies
the insurance is mostly for 3rd party protection - eg a ball hits a little old lady on the street.
Its of limited use in the case of injured or infected players, most of whom will have agreed to a standard liability waiver as part of their membership registration. If you were negligent you won't be covered, if you weren't negligent then they don't have a case. Either way, the insurance benefits no-one.
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Our first team alone would lose
Best Bowler - Diabeties
Best Batter - Young family who I won't risk for a game of cricket
4 players - Young families who they won't risk
1 player who generally is unaffected but 'technically' suffers asthma so would be classed as vulnerable so wouldn't play.
These players simply can't be replaced so the team would be decimated and any league game would become a farce. The other clubs in the league report the same to differing degree's as you'd imagine. The odd club unsurprisingly has the least missing wants to play as they smell a league win etc.
This is fine and its up to you if you want to be extremely risk-averse, but I assume that for the sake of logical consistency, you definitely won't be doing any even riskier activities, such as drinking more than 2 units of alcohol in 24-hour period, using a lawnmower without safely goggles, or changing the radio station whilst driving.
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The only way you could feasibly play league cricket probably is by playing each team once now so therefore you have to start by early/mid July.
So there probably won't even be enough time for league cricket anyway. When you think that currently all our cricket is off and England are only aiming to start in early July.
I can see friendlies happening, and I will be happy for that, as it then gives people the choice with no pressure.
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This is fine and its up to you if you want to be extremely risk-averse, but I assume that for the sake of logical consistency, you definitely won't be doing any even riskier activities, such as drinking more than 2 units of alcohol in 24-hour period, using a lawnmower without safely goggles, or changing the radio station whilst driving.
It's only risk averse if you aren't affected.. 35k people's family might disagree with you currently and is a few games of cricket really worth the risk? Is missing one season really that much to ask of people?
As virtually anyone who has been on Ops would tell you.. the 4-6 months period where you're cut off, shelled/shot at most days etc.. It's got nothing to do with being some cry baby as someone put it about verbals or being 'risk averse'.. there is a difference when you are forced to take a risk for something with purpose. Cricket (Pro and amateur) really wouldn't hurt if it took 2020 off to ensure no one comes to any harm just because someone couldn't live without a few games for a short period of time.
There is just no need to take extended risks just to play some amateur cricket. There will be some who are preared or able to take the risk, fair enough.. play friendlies. That way, as someone just said.. there is no pressure on anyone to play. That also means there is no need for keepers to be up, men around the bat (so rarely ever seen now in win lose cricket anyway) and no need for slips etc etc
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If the government/ECB approve playing of games then not playing league matches because some don't want to would be farcical. Extended risks? The risk will be massively low. Sure, if you're in a high vulnerability category then you may conclude the consequences for you are too severe to take the risk, but for the population at large it would be very very low risk - which is why it would be permitted. If you're very risk averse or have a condition that makes you vulnerable then unfortunately it spoils things for you, but it shouldn't for everyone else.
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If the government/ECB approve playing of games then not playing league matches because some don't want to would be farcical. Extended risks? The risk will be massively low. Sure, if you're in a high vulnerability category then you may conclude the consequences for you are too severe to take the risk, but for the population at large it would be very very low risk - which is why it would be permitted. If you're very risk averse or have a condition that makes you vulnerable then unfortunately it spoils things for you, but it shouldn't for everyone else.
Honestly.. I don't care if the league runs half a season or not, it's just amusing that some people seem to not give a crap about the risk posed to others. Sure it's 'minimal' but then it's still an increase in your risk exposure if you don't need to play. No one is saying don't play friendlies etc. League sadly will mean teams put pressure on players to play which really shouldn't be thought about. Again, why even allow the situation to arise ? Just let clubs play friendlies for what remains of the season. Those who don't care can play, those who do care can skip without pressure.. quite simple really
People point to dropping infection/death rates.. that's because we've been locked away.. give it another 3-5 weeks and then let's take another look as we have NO IDEA what it'll be like now people are mixing again regularly. It's only dropped as we've all be locked away
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Honestly.. I don't care if the league runs half a season or not, it's just amusing that some people seem to not give a crap about the risk posed to others. Sure it's 'minimal' but then it's still an increase in your risk exposure if you don't need to play. No one is saying don't play friendlies etc. League sadly will mean teams put pressure on players to play which really shouldn't be thought about. Again, why even allow the situation to arise ? Just let clubs play friendlies for what remains of the season. Those who don't care can play, those who do care can skip without pressure.. quite simple really
People point to dropping infection/death rates.. that's because we've been locked away.. give it another 3-5 weeks and then let's take another look as we have NO IDEA what it'll be like now people are mixing again regularly. It's only dropped as we've all be locked away
League cricket will only take place if the scientists, government and ECB all say that it's safe to do so. How could you criticise someone for wanting to play in that scenario? If you don't trust them that's your choice. You'll never play again if a vaccine isn't found, I take it?
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League cricket will only take place if the scientists, government and ECB all say that it's safe to do so. How could you criticise someone for wanting to play in that scenario? If you don't trust them that's your choice. You'll never play again if a vaccine isn't found, I take it?
If we assume the risk is as it is now then probably not. Simply not worth the chance I can pass it onto someone vulnerable (there are many who won't know they are if they've just not been diagnosed etc).
Personally though, I enjoy netting far more than I enjoy games due to the verbals and nastiness so I am not really missing playing games as I'm still able to train
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Just announced there will be no promotion / relegation in West of England Premier Leagues and all feeder leagues so essentially no league cricket in the south west no matter what happens
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Just announced there will be no promotion / relegation in West of England Premier Leagues and all feeder leagues so essentially no league cricket in the south west no matter what happens
Thanks for the news mate. Shame, I was still hoping we'd get enough cricket in that some form of promotion/relegation would stay.
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If we assume the risk is as it is now then probably not. Simply not worth the chance I can pass it onto someone vulnerable (there are many who won't know they are if they've just not been diagnosed etc).
Personally though, I enjoy netting far more than I enjoy games due to the verbals and nastiness so I am not really missing playing games as I'm still able to train
How noble of you... I personally don't think anyone can be criticised for wanting to play if its safe to do so.
I suffer with asthma and have done all my life but I'm still going to play at the first opportunity.
I feel like you on one hand have said your not risk averse by talking about being 'on ops' yet then say you'll never play cricket again if the risk stays as it is. A bit contradictory to say the least.
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Thanks for the news mate. Shame, I was still hoping we'd get enough cricket in that some form of promotion/relegation would stay.
Was what I expected to be honest, couldnt see how they were going to make promotion and relegation work throughout the leagues.
Our landlords wont even let us go on our ground to do any pitch work!
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Just announced there will be no promotion / relegation in West of England Premier Leagues and all feeder leagues so essentially no league cricket in the south west no matter what happens
Scotland had any league cricket ruled out about a week ago. Still can't net up here so just hoping for some friendly games and nets before the season is over.
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Was what I expected to be honest, couldnt see how they were going to make promotion and relegation work throughout the leagues.
Our landlords wont even let us go on our ground to do any pitch work!
Yeah it's an early call but probably inevitable, was nice to have the hope to hold on to though!
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Honestly.. I don't care if the league runs half a season or not, it's just amusing that some people seem to not give a crap about the risk posed to others. Sure it's 'minimal' but then it's still an increase in your risk exposure if you don't need to play. No one is saying don't play friendlies etc. League sadly will mean teams put pressure on players to play which really shouldn't be thought about. Again, why even allow the situation to arise ? Just let clubs play friendlies for what remains of the season. Those who don't care can play, those who do care can skip without pressure.. quite simple really
People point to dropping infection/death rates.. that's because we've been locked away.. give it another 3-5 weeks and then let's take another look as we have NO IDEA what it'll be like now people are mixing again regularly. It's only dropped as we've all be locked away
Taking to its logical conclusion, we should never play cricket at all since every time we jump in our cars to get to a ground we pose a risk - albeit minimal - to other road users and pedestrians. Probably best to play with a sponge ball from now on given the risks of a hard ball too. The fact is that everything we do involves some form of risk. Every time we interact socially, we can pass on viruses which could be fatal to someone. It doesn't mean that you don't care about the risk to others.
My Club is one of those who have chosen not to reopen our nets but I have no criticism of those who will open theirs. Likewise, when the expert advice and relevant guidance permits larger practice groups and them eventually games some will chose to return, others may wait longer. Sometimes a little maturity to recognise that others can validly hold a different view can make a big difference
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Just announced there will be no promotion / relegation in West of England Premier Leagues and all feeder leagues so essentially no league cricket in the south west no matter what happens
Not all feeder leagues, Wilts are still TBC as they're awaiting the next round of ECB guidance before making any firm decision (I'm on the committee). I do however expect we'll be following suit in due course unfortunately.
For what it's worth, I skipper a side in Div 2 and we'll happily play whenever we get the go ahead from the ECB. If that's 2021 then so be it - just have to follow the scientific advice .
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Not all feeder leagues, Wilts are still TBC as they're awaiting the next round of ECB guidance before making any firm decision (I'm on the committee). I do however expect we'll be following suit in due course unfortunately.
For what it's worth, I skipper a side in Div 2 and we'll happily play whenever we get the go ahead from the ECB. If that's 2021 then so be it - just have to follow the scientific advice .
Apologies, saw all leagues mentioned elsewhere in the statement and assumed
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For what its worth our league has stated that if the go ahead is given to play before the middle of July one round of matches will take place with one relegation and one promotion. The exception being the EAPL thats stated no relegation this season.
Personally I do believe the risks to playing standard league cricket are minimal but i wouldnt pass any judgment on anyone that chose to play or not to play. we play mid level league cricket at present and maybe have 1-2 slips for the first 10 overs but only catch maybe 3 a season so getting rid of slips isnt a bad thing lol. Seriously though if clubs cant field a side for any reason if play is allowed I just hope no judgment is made and certainly league penalties such as fines or points deductions shouldnt be enforced.
Our nets open from tomorrow so at least the new GM Players edition will see the sunlight in 2020
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For what its worth our league has stated that if the go ahead is given to play before the middle of July one round of matches will take place with one relegation and one promotion. The exception being the EAPL thats stated no relegation this season.
Personally I do believe the risks to playing standard league cricket are minimal but i wouldnt pass any judgment on anyone that chose to play or not to play. we play mid level league cricket at present and maybe have 1-2 slips for the first 10 overs but only catch maybe 3 a season so getting rid of slips isnt a bad thing lol. Seriously though if clubs cant field a side for any reason if play is allowed I just hope no judgment is made and certainly league penalties such as fines or points deductions shouldnt be enforced.
Our nets open from tomorrow so at least the new GM Players edition will see the sunlight in 2020
I heard that's they want to start in July put heard it's having umpire's who of a age that's the sticking point and also players are also in the risk areas are as well
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Apologies, saw all leagues mentioned elsewhere in the statement and assumed
Haha no need to apologise mate, to be honest I don't really understand why they haven't already followed WEPL 😂 Delaying the inevitable no doubt
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I heard that's they want to start in July put heard it's having umpire's who of a age that's the sticking point and also players are also in the risk areas are as well
If the league does go ahead I think it will be the 2nd and 3rd teams that are the ones that really get hit. Most clubs will be able to put out 1 team but the lower XI's would lose numbers once players filter up.
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@Neon Cricket @thecord
Statement on behalf of:
Courage West of England Premier League
Bristol and District Cricket League supported by Martin Berrill Sports
Gloucestershire County Cricket League sponsored by Greene King IPA
Monmouth Scientific Somerset Cricket League
Wiltshire Cricket League sponsored by Neon Cricket
Date: 19 May 2020
Subject: 2020 league cricket season
The playing of recreational cricket in England and Wales is currently suspended due to the Covid-19 pandemic. The latest information from the ECB on using nets and outdoor spaces can be found here.
The five leagues involved in the West of England cricket pyramid held a video meeting recently to discuss plans for the 2020 season. All five leagues are in agreement on the following points:
1. The health and wellbeing of our communities is far more important than games of cricket and this will be the guiding principle throughout any decisions made regarding the 2020 season.
2. Recreational cricket will not be able to resume until the government and the ECB have given the approval for it to do so.
3. All leagues are focussed on providing their clubs with the opportunity to play meaningful and competitive cricket matches if and when the opportunity arises to do so. Leagues are prepared to be creative to make best use of any windows of opportunity available to play the game noting that there will be restrictions such as ground availability and ground sharing issues to be considered.
4. There is acknowledgement that fair notice will need to be given to clubs as to when a resumption of cricket will occur.
5. No penalties will be incurred by clubs who are unable to use their facilities due to no fault of their own or for clubs unable to field teams due to ongoing Covid-19 concerns.
In addition to the above agreed principles the Courage West of England Premier League, the Bristol & District Cricket League, the Gloucestershire County Cricket League and the Monmouth Scientific Somerset Cricket League have decided that there will be no promotion or relegation within, in to, or out of their leagues based on any fixtures played in 2020.
There is plenty of information and support for cricket clubs that can be found on your respective County Cricket Board website:
Gloucestershire Cricket Board | Somerset Cricket Board | Wiltshire Cricket
All five leagues urge clubs, players and volunteers to continue to adhere to all government guidelines at all times. This is the only way that we will be able to get back to playing the game we all love at the earliest opportunity that it is safe to do so.
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I heard that's they want to start in July put heard it's having umpire's who of a age that's the sticking point and also players are also in the risk areas are as well
Agreed as most of the umpires in EAPL and div 1 are senior in age. To be honest though at that level all the players should be able to umpire to a decent standard as as it looks likely that there will be only 1 up or down does it matter if half the games for example dont have a league umpire??
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The league I play in announced back in April before the original start date of the season that if any cricket did go ahead, there would be no promotion or relegation. Personally, I think this was a sensible decision. Once the start of the season was deplayed, there couldn't be a fair playing field and it seems that of we can play at all, we should be concentrating on that rather than squabbling about promotion or relegation issues.
The early call also removed the issue over overseas players. If promotion and relegation was still on the cards, I have no doubt some clubs would have wasted money on an overseas for part of the season
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No promotion or relegation in TVL this year - at best looking at friendly games towards the end of the season based on the existing fixture list
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Agreed as most of the umpires in EAPL and div 1 are senior in age. To be honest though at that level all the players should be able to umpire to a decent standard as as it looks likely that there will be only 1 up or down does it matter if half the games for example dont have a league umpire??
div 1 to 3 get them .. yes they should but the problem you will find will team mates don't give three own out much
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I don't see why they shouldn't run a soft touch league competition with team umpires anyway. It is still worth winning a league trophy even if you don't get promoted?
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div 1 to 3 get them .. yes they should but the problem you will find will team mates don't give three own out much
Bloody wish our club was like that. As an opening bat its normally the bowlers who umpire first and they tend to have a different view to LBW for example than most others. One of our players is Especially trigger happy so much so we dont let him very often as its that bad. Luckily we have our own umpire most of the time these days.
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Bloody wish our club was like that. As an opening bat its normally the bowlers who umpire first and they tend to have a different view to LBW for example than most others. One of our players is Especially trigger happy so much so we dont let him very often as its that bad. Luckily we have our own umpire most of the time these days.
They guy has nailed it! Give your teammates out a couple of times and they don't ask you to do it again ;). First rule they teach you in self umpiring cricket school
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delayed till august now, time to put the kit back in the shed till next year I think and get the golf clubs out
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Recreational cricket stands more chance from what I've read into it.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1673749/ecb-update-on-the-domestic-and-recreational-game (https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1673749/ecb-update-on-the-domestic-and-recreational-game)
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And football can start June 17th 🤷♂️
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Yes it's ridiculous. I've nothing againat football or the EPL, but football is a major contact sport where social distancing is impossible. So why can't the ECB get its act in gear and get some domestic pro cricket up and running. Lots of matches have such small crowds that you could even have social distancing
spectators there.
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Recreational cricket stands more chance from what I've read into it.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1673749/ecb-update-on-the-domestic-and-recreational-game (https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1673749/ecb-update-on-the-domestic-and-recreational-game)
Yes it looks like there is a glimmer recreational cricket has a better chance of starting a bit earlier. More relaxation of the regs from June 1st has got to help
There is still a very real problem of some players not wanting to play this year but that's an individual decision.
I think for those still hoping to get half(ish) of a season there is still a chance....
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Think a big element of professional cricket could be the furlough scheme. If they bring players back now and start paying them with no spectators clubs just cant afford it.
Fingers crossed for club cricket soon
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And football can start June 17th 🤷♂️
The commercial and broadcasting revenue in domestic football will allow clubs to take all possible steps to allow games to go ahead. Likewise international cricket.
The domestic professional game is in a tricky position. It needs a lot more infrastructure than the recreational game but doesn't generate the money needed to take the steps that football and international cricket are prepared to take
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Does England home test also fall under this?
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It is definitely all about the money.
Football has the money to test its players twice a week and therefore get past the government etc....
Cricket doesn't have the money and therefore is prolonging bringing the players out of Furlough as long as it can while the government will pay their wages.
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Does England home test also fall under this?
No, this is must the domestic professional game.
At international level there is the resources to create the 'bio-secure enviornment' that appears to be a precondition of getting fixtures up and running
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No, this is must the domestic professional game.
At international level there is the resources to create the 'bio-secure enviornment' that appears to be a precondition of getting fixtures up and running
Thanks, desperate for some cricket on TV!
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Get ya masks on lads and hope for the best
(https://i.imgur.com/FcillLK.jpg)
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Mental that football (where contact is inevitable) is going to start on June 17th. But cricket which is a non contact sport will not start professionally until August. Has to be financial reasons pushing this and nothing more.
From the statement though it seems as though recreational cricket will begin before professional.
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Mental that football (where contact is inevitable) is going to start on June 17th. But cricket which is a non contact sport will not start professionally until August. Has to be financial reasons pushing this and nothing more.
For sure, be surprised if amateur football starts before late autum at the earliest. Just too much money involved for them not to be playing. Football here's been given dispensation too.
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For sure, be surprised if amateur football starts before late autum at the earliest. Just too much money involved for them not to be playing. Football here's been given dispensation too.
For me, cricket should start beginning of July, because the numbers currently are falling and if the same trajectory continues, then July would be safe to do so. To suspend it another month will kill clubs and junior sections.
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How's the rest of europe going with starting their amateur seasons?
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Mental that football (where contact is inevitable) is going to start on June 17th. But cricket which is a non contact sport will not start professionally until August. Has to be financial reasons pushing this and nothing more.
From the statement though it seems as though recreational cricket will begin before professional.
Looks like they will start Junior cricket before Adult Cricket as well
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Looks like they will start Junior cricket before Adult Cricket as well
An even crazier decision, how are the expecting clubs to open without the adult sections running?
Highlights how out of touch the ECB are really
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Football restarting before cricket was always going to be the case when you consider the tax money it brings in, probably in the billions; not exactly an easy plug for the Government to fill up again
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Football restarting before cricket was always going to be the case when you consider the tax money it brings in, probably in the billions; not exactly an easy plug for the Government to fill up again
Totally accept that, but equally, the ECB have come at this from a safety angle, and let's be honest here, everyone knows cricket is safer than football from a transmission standpoint. The ECB should outline the reason why the domestic season isn't taking place and what steps are being taken to try to get a season this summer.
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An even crazier decision, how are the expecting clubs to open without the adult sections running?
Highlights how out of touch the ECB are really
May not be the case everywhere but certainly in my experience of clubs that run both, junior sections run at decent profits whereas senior sections lose money
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May not be the case everywhere but certainly in my experience of clubs that run both, junior sections run at decent profits whereas senior sections lose money
Definitely the case at our club, junior section made double in profit what the senior section lost. So much so we actually had to change the junior fee structure because it was getting embarrassing.
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Any reduction in lockdown rules is all about money, whether its in sport, or whether its the reopening of shops etc. The economy is on its knees, and the government (and the Premier League) are putting economic welfare ahead of the health of the people. They would rather have players and staff get seriously ill than pay back money to Sky. Its a disgrace.
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Any reduction in lockdown rules is all about money, whether its in sport, or whether its the reopening of shops etc. The economy is on its knees, and the government (and the Premier League) are putting economic welfare ahead of the health of the people. They would rather have players and staff get seriously ill than pay back money to Sky. Its a disgrace.
What do you suggest they do instead? We all sit on our thumbs at home and hope a vaccine turns up? Also interested to know how being able to see 5 of your mates instead of 1 is about money.
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Totally accept that, but equally, the ECB have come at this from a safety angle, and let's be honest here, everyone knows cricket is safer than football from a transmission standpoint. The ECB should outline the reason why the domestic season isn't taking place and what steps are being taken to try to get a season this summer.
Its quite simple. Premier League football makes money. International cricket make money. Domestic professional cricket, doesnt make money (so use the furlough scheme to its fullest).
As for kids cricket vs. adult cricket. Junior cricket at our club makes enough to cover the Groundsman costs. Adult cricket breaks even! With restrictions being lifted and seemingly at pace now. I wouldnt be surprised to hear of recreational cricket in mid July... maybe
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Still hoping the next phase will bring some cricket - if shops are open for a month then joined by cinemas/hairdressers etc then surely cricket will be ok!
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Any reduction in lockdown rules is all about money, whether its in sport, or whether its the reopening of shops etc. The economy is on its knees, and the government (and the Premier League) are putting economic welfare ahead of the health of the people. They would rather have players and staff get seriously ill than pay back money to Sky. Its a disgrace.
There are wider issues about mental health and well being, but ultimately there has to be an exit strategy. No one can say how long a safe and effective vaccine will take - if we can develop one at all, there many illnesses for which we have no way of stopping them - and whether this virus will mutate so as to drop us back to square one. There are two many unknowns to be able to impelement an indefinite lock down. It is ultimately a case of managing risk. With the measures the premier league and the ECB are looking to implement, the players involved will be safer than the rest of us during lock down when we could only go out to buy food or take an hour's exercise
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It doesn't surprise me the August 1st date, I don't think it is a coincidence that, that is the date the Furlough scheme changes and the Counties will probably have to start paying some of the players wages.
Also if you think about it the ECB only really have to get The Blast played to satisfy Sky's TV deal.
It also leaves the ECB to focus on getting the Tests started which I understand is taking a huge amount of work. And again this ties in with the TV deal.
As for us mortals, the government will decide our fate, the Junior vs Senior debate is a very curious one. I can see what the ECB are saying and why. But as per usual they have no clue about reality. Social distancing 50-100 colts would be interesting and who do they think are running the sessions anyways etc... etc....
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May not be the case everywhere but certainly in my experience of clubs that run both, junior sections run at decent profits whereas senior sections lose money
Perhaps it's just my club then, but as far as I know it's the other way round for us.
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Perhaps it's just my club then, but as far as I know it's the other way round for us.
I think junior/colts sections can vary dramatically from club to club.
Some clubs I have seen 150 colts of all age groups turn up regularly, where you can charge a flat fee for the season as you know you have a core base, as well as parent volunteers for coaching etc... etc...
Other clubs I have seen, struggling for numbers and therefore parents to help etc.... and having to join age groups and this can lead to less money.
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Any reduction in lockdown rules is all about money, whether its in sport, or whether its the reopening of shops etc. The economy is on its knees, and the government (and the Premier League) are putting economic welfare ahead of the health of the people. They would rather have players and staff get seriously ill than pay back money to Sky. Its a disgrace.
Couldn't disagree more here. A reduction in lockdown is representative of the sacrifices people made to get the country into a position where this would be possible. A reduction in lockdown is possible because the numbers are continually falling and the tests that clarify the position of the country against the virus have indicated that the government can ease restrictions.
I do agree that the PL coming back is all about money. However we need an economy to come back to at the end of all of this. We will be facing the worst economic downturn for 100 years based on current predictions. So anything we can do to mitigate this, safely, in my book is worth doing.
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the PL can only resume - and international cricket - because they have the financial resources to make it safe and test constantly. Domestic county cricket is very similar to lower division football in terms of funding so they have no option but to postpone it further, the money just isn't there to make it safe for everyone involved.
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Back to training in groups
https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1674230/england-men-confirm-back-to-training-group (https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1674230/england-men-confirm-back-to-training-group)
Some really baffling omissions, for me Porter and Plunkett should in red and white ball sides respectively
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Looks like the end of Alex Hales England career as well
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Makes you wonder who plunkett upset to be treated like he has
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Porter's omission is crazy.
I can understand Plunkett not being there, if he was dropped before and isn't part of Morgan's plans then he isn't going to pick him again.
Northeast not in there is an interesting one, I think that's his ship sailed now.
Happy that James Bracey is there and gets recognised for his Lions efforts.
It is noticeable that the batsman are all (apart from a couple) pretty young white ball specialists.
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Yer Ive got no issues with Plunketts omission. He wouldnt be in the side anymore in a normal situation so it would be a waste of a spot picking him over a young lad that has plenty to offer in the future.
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Looks like the end of Alex Hales England career as well
Can you imagine if he had stopped taking the drugs after the first positive test. Would have been a different career altogether!
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Porter's omission is crazy.
I can understand Plunkett not being there, if he was dropped before and isn't part of Morgan's plans then he isn't going to pick him again.
Northeast not in there is an interesting one, I think that's his ship sailed now.
Happy that James Bracey is there and gets recognised for his Lions efforts.
It is noticeable that the batsman are all (apart from a couple) pretty young white ball specialists.
I think with Plunkett it's just that he's not going to be considered for the next ODI world cup cycle (think he'll be 38/39), so why include him now..
With the batsmen I suspect that suggests that Stokes/Buttler/Root are going to be included in the test team and they need white ball reinforcements. Bracey, Lawrence and Vince have decent first class records though if they wanted to shuffle it about a bit. Livingstone despite his reputation averages nearly 42 in first class cricket over a decent period.
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Perhaps it's just my club then, but as far as I know it's the other way round for us.
Yeah, us too. The junior section is heavily subsidized by the rest of the club, even before you start accounting for volunteer-hours.
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Couldn't disagree more here. A reduction in lockdown is representative of the sacrifices people made to get the country into a position where this would be possible. A reduction in lockdown is possible because the numbers are continually falling and the tests that clarify the position of the country against the virus have indicated that the government can ease restrictions.
I do agree that the PL coming back is all about money. However we need an economy to come back to at the end of all of this. We will be facing the worst economic downturn for 100 years based on current predictions. So anything we can do to mitigate this, safely, in my book is worth doing.
Round here the current estimate is that barely 100 people in the entire county are infected and this halves every 8 days. Probability that any of these turn up at a cricket match is minute, given that most will be self-isolating with symptoms. The probability that they transmit it to anyone there are even slimmer, given that the probability of outdoor transmission is basically zero anyway.
We're talking something incredibly, incredibly safe. We've lockdowned hard, and reached the point where you're 10 times more likely to get run over on the way to the pitch than catch COVID playing cricket.
Never mind July, cricket is safe to play NOW.
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Round here the current estimate is that barely 100 people in the entire county are infected and this halves every 8 days. Probability that any of these turn up at a cricket match is minute, given that most will be self-isolating with symptoms. The probability that they transmit it to anyone there are even slimmer, given that the probability of outdoor transmission is basically zero anyway.
We're talking something incredibly, incredibly safe. We've lockdowned hard, and reached the point where you're 10 times more likely to get run over on the way to the pitch than catch COVID playing cricket.
Never mind July, cricket is safe to play NOW.
Is this the US or UK?
Hard to see how anyone can estimate the number of cases when a high proportion are asymptomatic, but obviously it varies all over the world so I have no knowledge of your local situation.
As far as the UK goes, as much as I want the season to start tomorrow, whilst there are still hundreds of deaths a day I can't see how anyone can justify starting cricket fixtures.
Don't forget when we "locked down" (so to speak, because we didn't really do it properly) there was only a quarter of the number of deaths daily we're seeing currently, if anything we're coming out to quickly as it is (although I understand the economic reasoning).
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I have to admit I would love to be playing now, I am not sure many on here are qualified to say if it safe to do so, however.
I am off for another net this afternoon which is at least something!
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I have to admit I would love to be playing now, I am not sure many on here are qualified to say if it safe to do so, however.
I am off for another net this afternoon which is at least something!
Yep sums it up in one sentence really.
Going for my 2nd net of the summer later with my new GM again so thats at least something. Also netting really seriously, working on real game situations, facing a new ball today from our opening bowler. Note to self actually leave the new bat at home and take the old one
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Hypothetically, if ECB was to take a democratic approach to the recreational games, ask the leagues to get the clubs to vote Yes or No to playing and proceed accordingly based on the votes; how many clubs would vote yes?
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Perhaps it's just my club then, but as far as I know it's the other way round for us.
The basic economics for us it that we have at least 4 times as many juniors as seniors, the junior coaches are volunteers and there are very marginal costs to putting on junior fixtures. For every senior game, once we have paid umpires, scorers, math has and teas, they run at a loss.
If we had no juniors, we would have to rapidly change the way out club runs
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Is this the US or UK?
Hard to see how anyone can estimate the number of cases when a high proportion are asymptomatic, but obviously it varies all over the world so I have no knowledge of your local situation.
As far as the UK goes, as much as I want the season to start tomorrow, whilst there are still hundreds of deaths a day I can't see how anyone can justify starting cricket fixtures.
Don't forget when we "locked down" (so to speak, because we didn't really do it properly) there was only a quarter of the number of deaths daily we're seeing currently, if anything we're coming out to quickly as it is (although I understand the economic reasoning).
The UK.
Maybe you haven't been following the analysis very closely. Deaths lag infections by up to 3 weeks, so hundreds of people dying yesterday reflects the infection rate at the start of the month, not now.
Surely you're aware that since lockdown, the number of infected has fallen by over 95%? Only 0.35% of the country are estimated to be currently infected, in some regions (like ours) that number is down to 0.1% and halving every 8 days. The probability of another player having Coronavirus is 1 in 100. The probability of it transmitting to anyone during a game of cricket is described as "very remote" by leading experts.
Multiple "very remote" by "1 in 100", and you have a very, very, very safe activity.
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And here we have a perfect example of the attitude which resulted in people flocking to the beach and not even attempting to socially distance themselves from others...
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@SLA - any links to these probabilities? Not entirely sure I've seen any reports of the probability of opposing cricketers having COVID being 1 in 100 but I could be mistaken.
Anyway if that's a correct figure then that would mean out of the 41 matches played in the Wilts league each Saturday, approximately 9.02 players would be running around with COVID. Do you not see the issue with this...
Before this thread falls into disrepair like most lately, I believe what @Buzz has said sums it up perfectly. I too am off for a net shortly and will no doubt thoroughly enjoy it.
Let's all just be grateful we have our health unlike many others.
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And here we have a perfect example of the attitude which resulted in people flocking to the beach and not even attempting to socially distance themselves from others...
I started social distancing in early March when infections were at half a million and climbing and the probability of getting infected was significant. I started turning down meeting invites in London from the start of the month, started working from home and took my kid out of nursery from the 10th, and started wearing mask and gloves to the supermarket by the 15th... but I bet you did none of these things.
I find it hilarious how people are suddenly taking it more seriously now there are 130,000 currently infected than they did where there were 2.8m infected.
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You're right that I didn't do some of those things:
- I haven't had any meeting invites in London to decline.
- Why would I take your kid out of nursery? They're nothing to do with me
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Cam, please decline that meeting in London about taking your kid out of nursery.
I don't want to get political but I just feel we're due a second wave largely down to the actions of a moron who is obviously above the law
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@SLA - any links to these probabilities? Not entirely sure I've seen any reports of the probability of opposing cricketers having COVID being 1 in 100 but I could be mistaken.
Anyway if that's a correct figure then that would mean out of the 45 matches played in the Wilts league each Saturday, approximately 9.9 players would be running around with COVID. Do you not see the issue with this...
Before this thread falls into disrepair like most lately, I believe what @Buzz has said sums it up perfectly. I too am off for a net shortly and will no doubt thoroughly enjoy it.
Let's all just be grateful we have our health unlike many others.
No, 1 in 100 is that's the probability of ANYONE at the ground in a random cricket game having the virus. ie if you have 100 games of cricket, in 99 of them, no-one will have the virus. In 1 game 1 person will have the virus. So in a league with 45 games, chances are none of the games will feature anyone with a virus anyway. (Not sure about Wilts specific statistics - although the south west is very low in general)
Do I see a problem? No I don't, seeing as we've known for several weeks now that the probability of outdoor transmission is basically zero. So unless you foolishly allow people into changing rooms and bars then there isn't a problem. Compared to pretty much everything else we're going to be allowed to do in the next few weeks: go to work, go to school, sit on a bus, take the tube, have an afternoon shopping, have a picnic in the park, get a takeaway, have your mates round for a bbq: cricket is far, far safer than any of these activities.
ONS release the data every week. If you follow virologists and epidemiologists on twitter, they often post links to their latest research. (I study this stuff for a living so am obliged to keep up to speed with the latest developments)
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Cam, please decline that meeting in London about taking your kid out of nursery.
I don't want to get political but I just feel we're due a second wave largely down to the actions of a moron who is obviously above the law
If everyone had followed my example, we wouldn't even have had a first wave.
Honestly, the hypocrisy in this thread is astounding - put your hand up if you locked down in early March when it actually mattered. If not, you have zero right to criticise someone who did.
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No, 1 in 100 is that's the probability of ANYONE at the ground in a random cricket game having the virus.
How can you claim that the possibility of anyone at a ground during a completely random game of cricket being infected is 1 ground in 100 - that's just utter nonsensical fiction.
I'm out, that's enough CBF for this month 🤦🏻♂️
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If everyone had followed my example, we wouldn't even have had a first wave.
Honestly, the hypocrisy in this thread is astounding - put your hand up if you locked down in early March when it actually mattered. If not, you have zero right to criticise someone who did.
It's really interesting that you claim you locked down in early March, and infection rates are still at the same level as early March.
Yet everyone else is a hypocrite and idiot 😂
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Our landlords still won't let us enter our pavilion or garage due to fear of reprisal should anyone contract the virus!
This means we haven't even been able to water the squares let alone consider a net :(
I think we are probably at the point where we could only play away matches no matter what start date as I don't think the pitch situation is retrievable at this late stage.
Jealous of all the clubs in better positions with better facilities that can lobby for earlier starts to the season and somewhat fearful of what effect all this will have long term on my club.
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@SLA
To keep things balanced, using a bit of actual mathematics using your stats - at a 0.35% infection rate, you're talking roughly 0.077 players per 22 (assuming no spectators or non-playing attendees at all).
Times that by 100 matches, you're looking at around 7.7 infected players. Not 1.
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I'm out, that's enough CBF for this month 🤦🏻♂️
Good thing it is the 29th, see you again Monday!
Have a nice weekend
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How can you claim that the possibility of anyone at a ground during a completely random game of cricket being infected is 1 ground in 100 - that's just utter nonsensical fiction.
I'm out, that's enough CBF for this month 🤦🏻♂️
Err basic maths?
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@SLA
To keep things balanced, using a bit of actual mathematics using your stats - at a 0.35% infection rate, you're talking roughly 0.077 players per 22 (assuming no spectators or non-playing attendees at all).
Times that by 100 matches, you're looking at around 7.7 infected players. Not 1.
Round here it's 0.1%. And half will be symptomatic so won't attend.
Now redo your sums
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I love this forum at times and I get really confused with this forum at times, Im sure Im not the only one on here who works in the hospital, Ive nurses throughout covid, I can honestly say In both opinion and statistically, cricket is not worth the risk just yet, we arent sure how its going to react next, and lets be honest we can take every precaution possible that does not mean youre not going to get it, I can say its scary how many people are asymptomatic, I know a random trial was done which consisted of fit and well people 500 people and 18 of them were fit and well and didnt know just imagine if one of them was about to play Saturday cricket and passed it on, why bother taking the risk even if 1 person died from playing Saturday cricket surely that is 1 too many? Lets play cricket when the time is right, Im sorry to have been quite this drastic but its very annoying personally to see some of the comments on here, thinking everything is okay. ALL MY OWN OPINION
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It's really interesting that you claim you locked down in early March, and infection rates are still at the same level as early March.
Yet everyone else is a hypocrite and idiot 😂
Right, but at that point they were doubling every 10 days, now they're halving every 8 days. Big difference
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Round here it's 0.1%. And half will be symptomatic so won't attend.
Now redo your sums
Ok, let's do it again after you've changed the variables:
Assuming 22 players, as you cant play cricket without 22. We'll stick with no umpires/scorers/spectators.
22 players, 0.1% infection rate would be 0.022 players per game.
Aka 2.2 per 100. So still over the magic 1 you've dreamt up.
Want to change the variables again? Stop digging champ.
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Ok, let's do it again after you've changed the variables:
Assuming 22 players, as you cant play cricket without 22. We'll stick with no umpires/scorers/spectators.
22 players, 0.1% infection rate would be 0.022 players per game.
Aka 2.2 per 100. So still over the magic 1 you've dreamt up.
Want to change the variables again? Stop digging champ.
Can you not read? I've said this 3 times now. Only asymptotic players attend, which at an upper bound is 50%. So divide your 2.2 by half, admit I was correct in the first place, and apologise.
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Can you not read? I've said this 3 times now. Only asymptotic players attend, which at an upper bound is 50%. So divide your 2.2 by half, admit I was correct in the first place, and apologise.
So you're ok with someone who is asymptomatic passing it onto 21 other people?
IT IS NOT WORTH THAT RISK!
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So you're ok with someone who is asymptomatic passing it onto 21 other people?
IT IS NOT WORTH THAT RISK!
There is no risk. Probability of transmission is zero. Ffs stop shouting and actually take the time to read up on the science.
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There is no risk. Probability of transmission is zero. Ffs stop shouting and actually take the time to read up on the science.
Another fine example of the attitude that allowed things to get to this state in the first place...
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Another fine example of the attitude that allowed things to get to this state in the first place...
Indeed. People shouting their mouths off without taking the time to do the relevant research has been a problem for many years now. It seems particularly acute on this forum.
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But there will be risk, it just takes one person that's the point your missing, I know two people who have contracted it both were lucky and had fairly mild symptoms but both were social distancing and followed all the government guidance from the outset and are both fairly cautious people anyway.
It doesn't take a lot to contract even with all the measures in place!
Look, we all miss cricket and are pleased to now be bale to net (maybe in small groups soon) but rushing back too soon would be stupid and to say it's safe now is insane!
I've done my research, I know the data and I know the facts! This is the reason I had to postpone my wedding and honeymoon I'm not happy to put myself or my other half at risk yet! If you are @SLA go for it pal but you'd be daft to!
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This very much reminds me of the social distancing thread, where I claimed that that:
cricket could easily be made safe by social distancing protocols
the risk of transmission was significantly lower outside
the risk of cross-infection via the ball was actually very small
protocols would be brought in to introduce hand sanitisers for fielders, and wicket-keepers would be told not to stand within 1m of the stumps
Everyone called me a moron, said these were ridiculous claims, and that I didn't know what I was talking about. But since then:
Sir Jeremy Farrar of SAGE agreed with me
Cricket lends itself to this better than many other sports, he said. If you take a cricket game
cricket game and think sensibly: how can we still have a game which respects some of the physical distancing measures that make sense: hand-washing between overs, not spitting on the ball, using umpires from the teams to reduce the number of people, changing at home and going to the ground.
You can think through a game from early in the morning to stumps and come up logically with a plan in the context of physical distancing which wouldnt ruin the game.
I think you could do that and have games potentially played in July and August.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/sage_expert_sir_jeremy_farrar_cricket_return_august_coronavirus_covid-19.html (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/sage_expert_sir_jeremy_farrar_cricket_return_august_coronavirus_covid-19.html)
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer in infectious disease control at the University of Exeter’s College of Medicine and Health agreed with me that: “The possibility of a ball carrying infection is remote, remote. It may have infectious saliva on it, but I don’t think the ball is infectious. It’s out in the open air, a drying-out environment, which is perfect.
https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/club-cricket/disease-specialist-deems-playing-cricket-low-risk-activity-for-spreading-coronavirus (https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/club-cricket/disease-specialist-deems-playing-cricket-low-risk-activity-for-spreading-coronavirus)
The ICC have introduced hand sanitising stations for fielders and this is now being widely proposed by various cricket journalists, and apparently the league in Norway has imposed a 1m rule for wicket-keepers @Kulli.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29213456/leg-shakes-punching-ground-cricket-gets-used-new-normal (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29213456/leg-shakes-punching-ground-cricket-gets-used-new-normal)
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Makes you wonder who plunkett upset to be treated like he has
He certainly upset the kiwi middle order on July 14th 2019 @csnew
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But there will be risk, it just takes one person that's the point your missing, I know two people who have contracted it both were lucky and had fairly mild symptoms but both were social distancing and followed all the government guidance from the outset and are both fairly cautious people anyway.
It doesn't take a lot to contract even with all the measures in place!
Look, we all miss cricket and are pleased to now be bale to net (maybe in small groups soon) but rushing back too soon would be stupid and to say it's safe now is insane!
I've done my research, I know the data and I know the facts! This is the reason I had to postpone my wedding and honeymoon I'm not happy to put myself or my other half at risk yet! If you are @SLA go for it pal but you'd be daft to!
There's a risk doing anything. There's a risk every time you leave the house. There's a risk every time you walk down the stairs. The important point isn't whether there isn't any risk, the point is how the risk/benefits stack up in comparison to other activities.
Cricket is significantly less risky (and almost certainly better for you) than:
going to the shops
getting a takeaway meal
going for a drive
cutting your own hair
sending your kids back to school
taking the bus
taking a taxi
going in to work
having people round for a bbq who then pop in and use your loo
We're soon going to get to the point in about a month's time where cricket is going to be basically the ONLY thing we can't do, despite being one of the safest activities possible.
As of three days time you'll be legally able to go to a park with 100s of people and play cricket with a tennis ball with 5 of your mates, how can that possibly be safer?
I'm not moaning because I miss cricket, I'm moaning because there has been a huge amount of scientific research undertaken and published and yet everyone seems to be totally ignorant of it, the useless bastards at the ECB included.
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@SLA for almost every country in the world right now I would agree with you.
However, in the UK and US, the leadership and plans in the UK are horrendous and they have mucked it up.
So we are where we are with this.
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I dont get the two ends of the spectrum that are being operated on. The early self imposed lock down and then extreme eagerness to get playing cricket again.
There is a risk. And it purely depends on the level of risk you are willing to take.
No one has dealt with any issue like this before. Therefore we dont have a clue what the best course of action is. And the ECB will be cautious over the steps taken. Because they dont want to held accountable for anything.
And at the end of the day the politicians will be doing the thing that will get the re-elected.
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Depends where you are in the UK. In Scotland we've only just been allowed to meet people outside our household and no cricket of any kind for at least another three weeks.
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Yeah Jimbo just reading thru some of the different comments on this particular thread I can't see one rule covering everyone as return comes for ameteur sport.
But reading the comments where quotes and 'facts' are used to enforce one side of a point I can only presume what part of the Country you are in has influenced people's views.
In London, as I am, whilst I personally would be happy to play cricket soon, there is a very real risk, the transport network is more crowded than other parts of the Country and the sheer number of people crammed into the city presents huge problems.
Coupled with risk and responsibility as quoted by @Kez above - it's a bit like a perfect storm of a problem.
Quite how the post 'bastards' describing the ECB as SLA has done got thru without being edited is a real head scratcher judging by the amount of other threads getting shut down.
End of the day, things are moving in the right direction for us ameteurs and much as we love cricket and are passionate about it -it's just a game
Th are bigger things to worry about at the moment.
I hope this post has come across as balanced which is my intention.
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I wrote the season off about 6 weeks ago, isnt worth the pain or worry about when and if we would be able to play again. Just cant see it happening, and even if they manage to squeeze some in it just wont be the same
On another note I am keen to know when will SLA be running for Prime Minister?
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I'd agree that cricket is just a game but more widely I think it has been underestimated how important the social and support aspect of sports clubs is to a lot of people. Not cricket related but a bloke I work with has had to go back on to anti depressants since lockdown, in part because he has been cut off from his friends and support network at his athletics club.
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Yeah Jimbo just reading thru some of the different comments on this particular thread I can't see one rule covering everyone as return comes for ameteur sport.
But reading the comments where quotes and 'facts' are used to enforce one side of a point I can only presume what part of the Country you are in has influenced people's views.
In London, as I am, whilst I personally would be happy to play cricket soon, there is a very real risk, the transport network is more crowded than other parts of the Country and the sheer number of people crammed into the city presents huge problems.
Coupled with risk and responsibility as quoted by @Kez above - it's a bit like a perfect storm of a problem.
Quite how the post 'bastards' describing the ECB as SLA has done got thru without being edited is a real head scratcher judging by the amount of other threads getting shut down.
End of the day, things are moving in the right direction for us ameteurs and much as we love cricket and are passionate about it -it's just a game
Th are bigger things to worry about at the moment.
I hope this post has come across as balanced which is my intention.
I have to agree here. I am in similar situation but located in NJ, USA. What might work for folks in Florida/Georgia/Texas is not going to apply for NJ/NY/CT area due to population density. As of right now the Governor of NJ is likely to open up amateur sports around July 6th or so.
It's going to come down to individual risk tolerance on the risk that are willing to accept.
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I wrote the season off about 6 weeks ago, isnt worth the pain or worry about when and if we would be able to play again. Just cant see it happening, and even if they manage to squeeze some in it just wont be the same
On another note I am keen to know when will SLA be running for Prime Minister?
I wrote it off as soon as lockdown hit. Any games that are played will be under strength sides so not competitive even if they are in a cup/league format. If its safe to play (deaths at 0) then great.. if not, its only a game and will be back next year
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@SLA for almost every country in the world right now I would agree with you.
However, in the UK and US, the leadership and plans in the UK are horrendous and they have mucked it up.
So we are where we are with this.
I would add Brazil to that list. The tragedy of the matter is that we had time to look at what we happening elsewhere and still failed to act.
The issue as restrictions are lifted is going to be dealing with the perceived inconsistencies between some activities being allowed whilst others remain banned when there seems to be no difference in risk. It, as is being suggested, gyms will be opening in July, it will be hard to see why recreational cricket can't resume
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Jeez lads, it's not (No Swearing Please) ebola. There are good reasons why things are returning to normal only slowly, but the reason they're returning to normal is because the risk is very very low. The chances of someone you play cricket with or against having c19 is minimal, if sensible restrictions are abided by the chances of you catching it off the bloke who doesn't have it even smaller. Say you do get it, the chances of it being any worse than a couple of days feeling funny are slim again. Calm down, SLA makes good points (for once :D ). Here's hoping we get the chance to play some cricket this year.
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Jeez lads, it's not (No Swearing Please) ebola. There are good reasons why things are returning to normal only slowly, but the reason they're returning to normal is because the risk is very very low. The chances of someone you play cricket with or against having c19 is minimal, if sensible restrictions are abided by the chances of you catching it off the bloke who doesn't have it even smaller. Say you do get it, the chances of it being any worse than a couple of days feeling funny are slim again. Calm down, SLA makes good points (for once :D ). Here's hoping we get the chance to play some cricket this year.
How are you comparing Ebola to covid 19? Are you aware of the global death rates difference? And I can assure you getting covid 19 for a lot of people is far worse than feeling funny
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Jeez lads, it's not (No Swearing Please) ebola. There are good reasons why things are returning to normal only slowly, but the reason they're returning to normal is because the risk is very very low. The chances of someone you play cricket with or against having c19 is minimal, if sensible restrictions are abided by the chances of you catching it off the bloke who doesn't have it even smaller. Say you do get it, the chances of it being any worse than a couple of days feeling funny are slim again. Calm down, SLA makes good points (for once :D ). Here's hoping we get the chance to play some cricket this year.
Tell that to the families of the 38,161.
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How are you comparing Ebola to covid 19? Are you aware of the global death rates difference? And I can assure you getting covid 19 for a lot of people is far worse than feeling funny
It's not a terribly useful comparison but if you get ebola you've got a 40-50% chance of dying, if you're healthy with covid it's more like 0.9% (beat source I could find with a semi-lazy google). Latest figures on the UK suggest that 70% of cases don't even have symptoms, so if you feel funny you're already on the worse end. I mentioned ebola to try and draw the pont that while there are good reasons we've gone through all the lockdown bullshit, on a personal level it is not a disease to worry about, so if we get a govenrment-cleared chance to play some cricket we can happily grasp it with both hands!
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Tell that to the families of the 38,161.
What point are you trying to make here - lots of people have died, let's never play cricket ever again?
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It's not a terribly useful comparison but if you get ebola you've got a 40-50% chance of dying, if you're healthy with covid it's more like 0.9% (beat source I could find with a semi-lazy google). Latest figures on the UK suggest that 70% of cases don't even have symptoms, so if you feel funny you're already on the worse end. I mentioned ebola to try and draw the pont that while there are good reasons we've gone through all the lockdown bullshit, on a personal level it is not a disease to worry about, so if we get a govenrment-cleared chance to play some cricket we can happily grasp it with both hands!
On a personal level its not one to worry about? Sorry but that is bullshit and direspectful to be honest I lost 2 perfectly healthy colleagues in our healthboard one being a good friend and one I played cricket with so how on earth are you immune to it and not going to effect you on a personal level?
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It's not a terribly useful comparison but if you get ebola you've got a 40-50% chance of dying, if you're healthy with covid it's more like 0.9% (beat source I could find with a semi-lazy google). Latest figures on the UK suggest that 70% of cases don't even have symptoms, so if you feel funny you're already on the worse end. I mentioned ebola to try and draw the pont that while there are good reasons we've gone through all the lockdown bullshit, on a personal level it is not a disease to worry about, so if we get a govenrment-cleared chance to play some cricket we can happily grasp it with both hands!
Pretty disrespectful moments mate to be honest with you. We all want to play some cricket but that last couple of days this forum has just been full of thoughtless and disrespectful comments.
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On a personal level its not one to worry about? Sorry but that is bullshit and direspectful to be honest I lost 2 perfectly healthy colleagues in our healthboard one being a good friend and one I played cricket with so how on earth are you immune to it and not going to effect you on a personal level?
Mate I'm sorry to hear that. No disrespect intended, I think you've misread me there - it's not anything to worry about as in we will be able to play cricket perfectly safely, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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With the government announcing tonight that you can now exercise outdoors with 5 people from another household.... do we think the ECB will update the training/nets guidelines??
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With the government announcing tonight that you can now exercise outdoors with 5 people from another household.... do we think the ECB will update the training/nets guidelines??
With the govt announcing a phased return of competitive sport, our league have said they are hopeful to start July 4th at the very latest.
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There has been chatter all day that there is a meeting between league chairmen and the ECB with a view to starting play on 11 July. Obviously speculation at this stage but, given this evening's Government briefing, it doesn't seem wildly inaccurate
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Even if it's just 1 person out of 22 players is infected then that one person can easily infect the most of his team and possibly few others from the oppo team, week by week infection rates will go up within the cricketing community.
I can understand the pressure to start the economy and kick start professional game in the country due to financial aspects but there is absolutely no need to take a risk with the recreational game. R rate is still between 0.7 and 1 so we dont have much headroom to risk it with non-essential activities.
The curve we flattened was an artificial flattening due to all actions we took during last few weeks, its only going to pick up soon as we go to normal lives.
Ive been on isolation even before the official lockdown started (working from home full time), I usually play the whole season including friendlies in a normal season, so Im dying for a game of cricket right now but I see no joy me playing cricket for fun when there is a possibility my actions could lead to some people losing their loved ones.
So Ive made my peace with 2020 season, even if my league decides to start in July I wont be a part of it.
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So they held a trial game in Guernsey yesterday - no sure if we have any forumites from there?
Using social distancing - note the wicket celebrations, the keeper is standing up though.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3833744100029346&id=1352405441496570
Guernsey want into lockdown 2 weeks before the UK and is obviously a much smaller place.
But still an interesting watch.... and an amazing catch in there too!
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Even if it's just 1 person out of 22 players is infected then that one person can easily infect the most of his team and possibly few others from the oppo team, week by week infection rates will go up within the cricketing community.
I can understand the pressure to start the economy and kick start professional game in the country due to financial aspects but there is absolutely no need to take a risk with the recreational game. R rate is still between 0.7 and 1 so we dont have much headroom to risk it with non-essential activities.
The curve we flattened was an artificial flattening due to all actions we took during last few weeks, its only going to pick up soon as we go to normal lives.
Ive been on isolation even before the official lockdown started (working from home full time), I usually play the whole season including friendlies in a normal season, so Im dying for a game of cricket right now but I see no joy me playing cricket for fun when there is a possibility my actions could lead to some people losing their loved ones.
So Ive made my peace with 2020 season, even if my league decides to start in July I wont be a part of it.
What I would say is that despite the easing of lockdown restrictions, and despite the clear ignorance of a large number of people to what social distancing actually means in the last month, our infection rates are still falling, our new cases day by day are lowering despite testing going up.
There was a leading oncologist who has a background in immunology who suggested that there was research that had been published saying that the virus has begin to run its course.i found it really interesting, here's the link if you want to check it out. https://youtu.be/EQ-ATT_Cd6M
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Guys can I make a suggestion to all just from what has been discussed and the comments that have caused offence over the last week, lets all stop talking about infection rates and risks because its only gonna build back up again?
Lets talk about the positive return of cricket as it will happen when the time is right and if each player returns when they feel ready then that is right for that individual, I personally cant wait to start playing cricket again! I only got offended because of people saying there is no risk. So maybe going forward we can all be positive and hopeful!
Sorry to go on again haha!!
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Guys can I make a suggestion to all just from what has been discussed and the comments that have caused offence over the last week, lets all stop talking about infection rates and risks because its only gonna build back up again?
Lets talk about the positive return of cricket as it will happen when the time is right and if each player returns when they feel ready then that is right for that individual, I personally cant wait to start playing cricket again! I only got offended because of people saying there is no risk. So maybe going forward we can all be positive and hopeful!
Sorry to go on again haha!!
Agreed mate, I wasnt trying to say there was no risk, just saying that infection rates are still falling, as you said its everyone's right to decide what level of risk they want to take on.
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Wasnt aimed at anyone in particular mate, I snapped the night before its been really stressful as of late im sure everyone has felt it, I come on the forum purely for the cricket and thats what this forum is all about not infection rates and whats happening, I just want to get back to talking about cricket haha!! I want to get my first 50 this year!! Ive felt it coming for a long time aged 27 never hit a 50 haha!!
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Wasnt aimed at anyone in particular mate, I snapped the night before its been really stressful as of late im sure everyone has felt it, I come on the forum purely for the cricket and thats what this forum is all about not infection rates and whats happening, I just want to get back to talking about cricket haha!! I want to get my first 50 this year!! Ive felt it coming for a long time aged 27 never hit a 50 haha!!
No worries, didn't take it personally just wanted to clarify my post ☺️
Hopefully on the back of the Govt announcement that 50 is a little closer!
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I want to get my first 50 this year!! Ive felt it coming for a long time aged 27 never hit a 50 haha!!
I feel your pain fella, I was well into my 30's without ever scoring a 50. Then one day I got a ton. Teammates took great pleasure in pointing out I'd still technically not scored a 50 ! Hopefully this is your year.
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From South Yorkshire league.
Today there has been the latest fortnightly video-conference between ECB and Premier League chairmen.
I want to share with you the key points from that meeting:
The ECB are absolutely determined that some recreational cricket be played in 2020, but we are still some way from that happening.
Before we move to the stage of playing full games, there will be an intermediate stage of adapted play; playing in adjusted formats, for example, shortened games, in smaller groups, with fielding restrictions, etc.
Small group guidance to support this adapted play stage is anticipated to be published by ECB within the next 48 hours.
There are, as yet, no specific dates for either adapted play or full play.
I propose that in the adapted play stage it will be for our clubs to arrange what best suits them, whether within their own club, or with a neighbouring club or clubs.
The YSPL will arrange games for the full play stage, probably on the basis of a cup competition with a group stage to ensure that we maximise the use of whatever Saturdays are available, with a t20 competition for some Sunday play.
I, and other chairmen, have made the point that the initial, adapted play stage equates to practice for our players, and that it is the full play stage that will be most important for them, so we need an indication of the date for that as soon as possible.
Once a date is known, we will quickly check with our clubs that they are in a position to play from that date, before including them in any formal competition.
I am sorry that I cannot bring you any more definite information yet, but I will continue to keep you informed
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From South Yorkshire league.
Today there has been the latest fortnightly video-conference between ECB and Premier League chairmen.
I want to share with you the key points from that meeting:
The ECB are absolutely determined that some recreational cricket be played in 2020, but we are still some way from that happening.
Before we move to the stage of playing full games, there will be an intermediate stage of adapted play; playing in adjusted formats, for example, shortened games, in smaller groups, with fielding restrictions, etc.
Small group guidance to support this adapted play stage is anticipated to be published by ECB within the next 48 hours.
There are, as yet, no specific dates for either adapted play or full play.
I propose that in the adapted play stage it will be for our clubs to arrange what best suits them, whether within their own club, or with a neighbouring club or clubs.
The YSPL will arrange games for the full play stage, probably on the basis of a cup competition with a group stage to ensure that we maximise the use of whatever Saturdays are available, with a t20 competition for some Sunday play.
I, and other chairmen, have made the point that the initial, adapted play stage equates to practice for our players, and that it is the full play stage that will be most important for them, so we need an indication of the date for that as soon as possible.
Once a date is known, we will quickly check with our clubs that they are in a position to play from that date, before including them in any formal competition.
I am sorry that I cannot bring you any more definite information yet, but I will continue to keep you informed
Keeping a keen eye on this one, as this is our league! 👀
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That's easily the most competent-sounding league communication I've seen floating around so far.
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TVL having similar discussions with the possibility of friendly cricket returning in July - I.e. inter club t20 matches with reduced players and then moving onto local friendly matches.
August - possible return to league fixtures - with no promotion or relegation - likely to be scrapped of July go ahead does not happen
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TVL having similar discussions with the possibility of friendly cricket returning in July - I.e. inter club t20 matches with reduced players and then moving onto local friendly matches.
August - possible return to league fixtures - with no promotion or relegation - likely to be scrapped of July go ahead does not happen
Is that inter club or intra club?
Inter club would be between 2 seperate teams, while intra club is 2 teams made up from the same club!
It is only a couple of letters different, but you could exploit that loophole if they've said inter club! ;)
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Slightly on a tangent, will any of the upcoming England matches be free to air? Monies a bit tight due to the virus and cant really justify the subscription at this time.
I only ask because I saw that the premier league has made 35 games free to air.
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Look as much as I want to get back to cricket and will take anything that is on offer right now.
I am interested to see what the ECB come up with as 'adaptive rules', that will actually make a difference.
Reducing the the numbers, allows you to social distance easier of course but it is a cricket field, you still have to have a bowler and keeper, 2 batsmen, umpires, which are the ones which are the ones social distancing is closest etc...
If they are talking playing say 6 a side and you have a club full of members itching to play, then it's going to be interesting sorting that out.
Look don't get me wrong as I said I will take anything but with other sports, including grassroots football, sorting themselves out if they don't get this right then a lot of people will be very upset etc...
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Player umpires, application of hand sanitiser to the ball allowed, no teas, etc... Plenty of adapted rules that would be sensible, easy to implement and reduce risk.
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Player umpires, application of hand sanitiser to the ball allowed, no teas, etc... Plenty of adapted rules that would be sensible, easy to implement and reduce risk.
But there is the difference.... they are sensible changes.
Playing reduced overs and numbers just doesn't.
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Reduced numbers might be a bit farcical. Reduced overs is pretty common if there are rain delays so I don't see an issue with that.
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Slightly on a tangent, will any of the upcoming England matches be free to air? Monies a bit tight due to the virus and cant really justify the subscription at this time.
I only ask because I saw that the premier league has made 35 games free to air.
No I believe the plan is for games to be shown as normal on Sky and the bbc will have highlights.
If sky were clever they would make a couple of the days available on fta via sky sports mix.
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Ime, 10aside, 9aside, 8 aside at a push still feels like the same game. Below that and I'd stop counting the game towards the stats, etc.
Similarly, 10 8-ball overs still just about has the same dynamics as a T20 but fits comfortably under 2 hours. Lower than that and it's a thrash and I wouldn't count the stats.
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No I believe the plan is for games to be shown as normal on Sky and the bbc will have highlights.
If sky were clever they would make a couple of the days available on fta via sky sports mix.
Thank you, guess Ill stick with TMS :)
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I was not too sure which thread to put this in but this is a good a place as any.
When it was announced that clubs could start to practice again our club was contacted by a photographer from Getty Images to get some proper village action of teams coming out of lockdown, getting on top of the pitch and safely practicing.
A lovely chap came down to the group to take photos of the cutting & rolling and a net session afterwards - I did not think too much of it other than we got some great photos to print out and put up in the pavilion.
Since then we've seen the club on the front page of the Bristol paper, featured on the ICC and the Cricketer magazine twitter feed... who knew that they actually use stock photos.
The comments are the best bit - mistaking our resident no11 (my son) for MSD, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson and insisting it's New Zealand
Some wag even suggested from my set up that I do not hit many on the off side... it's also true alas
If you are interested in arty shots of tractors & picturesque nets I can always post some pics
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You mean that ICC photo you retweeted the other week wasn't Babar Azam having a hit at Dunedin? I could have sworn...
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I was not too sure which thread to put this in but this is a good a place as any.
When it was announced that clubs could start to practice again our club was contacted by a photographer from Getty Images to get some proper village action of teams coming out of lockdown, getting on top of the pitch and safely practicing.
A lovely chap came down to the group to take photos of the cutting & rolling and a net session afterwards - I did not think too much of it other than we got some great photos to print out and put up in the pavilion.
Since then we've seen the club on the front page of the Bristol paper, featured on the ICC and the Cricketer magazine twitter feed... who knew that they actually use stock photos.
The comments are the best bit - mistaking our resident no11 (my son) for MSD, Steve Smith and Kane Williamson and insisting it's New Zealand
Some wag even suggested from my set up that I do not hit many on the off side... it's also true alas
If you are interested in arty shots of tractors & picturesque nets I can always post some pics
Pretty sure you prefer the posh side.
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With the new ECB announcement about training in groups of 6, does this mean we can play training games out on the middle with 4 fielders, 1 bat, 1 bowler? Or would that violate the guidelines because fielders would all touch the same ball.
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Yes it violates the rules, but it is OK for tennis players to play doubles and for them all to pick up the balls.
The guidance makes no sense.
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With the new ECB announcement about training in groups of 6, does this mean we can play training games out on the middle with 4 fielders, 1 bat, 1 bowler? Or would that violate the guidelines because fielders would all touch the same ball.
Realistically who's going to stop you from doing that? Are people and clubs sticking to these guidelines so strictly? Cant see any harm in what you have mentioned whatsoever, a full practice wouldn't be a problem either if everyone applies common sense and distancing guidelines
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Have to get it right because our pitch is on the public recreation ground with lots of people walking by who will be keeping an eye on us.
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The ECB really are an absolute shower, my 5 year old could do better!
We are so far behind other sports it is beyond a joke. We are the summer national sport, the current sport that should be being played by youngsters, and there is simply no urgency to do anything. No guidance for the future, no planning, and they just don't have a clue.
Forget whether you think it is right to play now or not, there ability to communicate with grassroots is abysmal.
I give you Rugby's Return to Rugby Community Roadmap - this was out at the start of this week!
https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/bb/bb42cabc-9918-4663-a22f-16a5decda744/RUGBY%20RESTART%20ROAD%20MAP%20FINAL%202020-01.jpg (https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/bb/bb42cabc-9918-4663-a22f-16a5decda744/RUGBY%20RESTART%20ROAD%20MAP%20FINAL%202020-01.jpg)
Grassroots football guidelines - out at the start of the week.
http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jun/01/grassroots-football-covid-19-guidance-update-010620 (http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jun/01/grassroots-football-covid-19-guidance-update-010620)
The list goes on of other sports.
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ECBs more worried about the international game restarting rather than recreational cricket
Find it odd that tennis and rugby guidelines are ok with handling the same ball yet cricket is not.
As a club well be starting on the square practice this weekend - hand sanitiser and wipes will be provided like we have done every net session so far
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The ECB really are an absolute shower, my 5 year old could do better!
We are so far behind other sports it is beyond a joke. We are the summer national sport, the current sport that should be being played by youngsters, and there is simply no urgency to do anything. No guidance for the future, no planning, and they just don't have a clue.
Forget whether you think it is right to play now or not, there ability to communicate with grassroots is abysmal.
I give you Rugby's Return to Rugby Community Roadmap - this was out at the start of this week!
[url]https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/bb/bb42cabc-9918-4663-a22f-16a5decda744/RUGBY%20RESTART%20ROAD%20MAP%20FINAL%202020-01.jpg[/url] ([url]https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/bb/bb42cabc-9918-4663-a22f-16a5decda744/RUGBY%20RESTART%20ROAD%20MAP%20FINAL%202020-01.jpg[/url])
Grassroots football guidelines - out at the start of the week.
[url]http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jun/01/grassroots-football-covid-19-guidance-update-010620[/url] ([url]http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jun/01/grassroots-football-covid-19-guidance-update-010620[/url])
The list goes on of other sports.
Neither of these guidelines is really clear about whether a ball can be shared within a group of 6. They just say equipment sharing should be kept to a minimum. I spose that means you can pass the ball around?
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I dont believe its sensible or safe to play but... the ECB guidance is slow and awful. Netting updates should have been released within hours of any knowledge of decisions etc. Even a guide to outline dates would please those who want to play games.
If they had a plan that said if allowed to start on x we will do y.. repeat for various scenarios .
Still.. keeper up, umpires.. how do you affect run outs (excluding direct hits), touching he ball ... all massive issues still with the virus around
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I dont believe its sensible or safe to play but... the ECB guidance is slow and awful. Netting updates should have been released within hours of any knowledge of decisions etc. Even a guide to outline dates would please those who want to play games.
If they had a plan that said if allowed to start on x we will do y.. repeat for various scenarios .
Still.. keeper up, umpires.. how do you affect run outs (excluding direct hits), touching he ball ... all massive issues still with the virus around
Yes exactly this! What I have the biggest issue with is their lack of urgency to communicate anything. That other sports that aren't currently in season are just far far more on the ball (excuse the pun).
Whether you agree with playing at the moment or not, doesn't matter because they aren't communicating anything about it.
Sooner or later you will get clubs/players taking matters into there own hands because either they don't know what's happening or they are simply fed up with what's happening.
That surely has to be more dangerous!
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What does everyone make of the latest release from the ECB? Seems more informative and a road map laid out albeit without dates on next stages yet.
https://ecb-comms.co.uk/1FT6-6WP6D-49T9S4UOC7/cr.aspx (https://ecb-comms.co.uk/1FT6-6WP6D-49T9S4UOC7/cr.aspx)
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i think, unfortunately, It means we are almost at the point where a league season is impossible. The majority of people I have spoken to have accepted it might be friendlies.
wish I could be more positive, but unless bars and restaurants are open they cannot prove what affect a larger reduction in restrictions will have
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I had felt like the Hants cricket league jumped the gun when they announced that the season is cancelled, but looking at the pace at which things are progressing, now I think they did the right thing to set the right expectation. There wont be any league cricket this yr.
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I'm hearing from our club they the league are very keen to get things moving and for some form of cricke to be played. No promotion or relegation if we play any meaningful matches, but a league winner if we can play enough games (Not in the ECB Prem though in which our 1sts play).
The pace at which things are opening up, I can see some cricket being played. In what form and whether it's worth it is another debate.
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rumors circulating that the ecb will announce no recreational league cricket for 2020, hopefully we can still get some friendlies on but the positivity is starting to fade
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Not sure if its ECB lead, or just from our League but this weekend just gone theyve sent out a communication saying there will be no competitive senior league or cup cricket this season.
Think theyre still looking at juniors and also some inter club events etc if possible?
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rumors circulating that the ecb will announce no recreational league cricket for 2020, hopefully we can still get some friendlies on but the positivity is starting to fade
I have to say that I cannot understand one bit how hairdressers and beauticians can be preparing to open on 4 July seeing customers indoors but it isn't safe to play recreational cricket. School children are now sat in classrooms together but can't play cricket outdoors. It is the inconsistency in the easing of the lock down measures that it maddening
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Im getting the feeling that this is more the ECBs choosing. Ive got no real science or reasoning behind it its just a hunch.
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Those rumours have been confirmed to be bullshit.
ECB confirmed the statement tomorrow will have nothing to do with the recreational game.
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Not sure if its ECB lead, or just from our League but this weekend just gone theyve sent out a communication saying there will be no competitive senior league or cup cricket this season.
Think theyre still looking at juniors and also some inter club events etc if possible?
@Andythomo21 what leagues that mate?
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@Andythomo21 what leagues that mate?
Scarborough Beckett League.
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30 man training squad announced today for the tests, mostly predictable selections. Any forumites seen much of Ollie Robinson? Seems to have leapt to prominence over the last 18 months a little, the social media highlight reels look rather good.
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Is he the sussex seamer? not seen much but heard good things, possibly over shadowed by Jofra down on the south coast.
On a side note, Mo is included, anyone else think he shouldn't be? Bess is the man in possession and has done nothing to warrant being dropped, then there's Leach who, again hasn't done anything wrong.
For me mo is third inline (at best)
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I don't think Ali should be selected to play against the West Indies but it's a 30 man squad with 5 spinners, leaving him out of that would be a difficult case to make - and that's before you consider he'd probably be about as good an opener at home as Keaton!
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Is Bairstow a broken record? Talking about regaining the gloves in the test side again. After averaging 19 last year hes lucky to be anyway near a test squad.
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Is Bairstow a broken record? Talking about regaining the gloves in the test side again. After averaging 19 last year hes lucky to be anyway near a test squad.
Where would he bay?
It would have to be as a replacement for buttler and I can see them doing that
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Where would he bay?
It would have to be as a replacement for buttler and I can see them doing that
If they opted to dump Buttler, then the logically option is Foakes. Bairstow is hyped up as some sort run machine, after 70 tests he averages 34. Hes not going to improve. Time to move on
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England are starting to see the value of picking Test specialist players. Sibley and Burns being the obvious examples. Bairstow has been phenomenal in white ball so let him focus on that. Foakes is a superior keeper and over 5 days that makes a difference.
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I couldn't agree more but we've seen time and time again players like Johnny and mo always seem to get a recall over someone more suited
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If they opted to dump Buttler, then the logically option is Foakes. Bairstow is hyped up as some sort run machine, after 70 tests he averages 34. Hes not going to improve. Time to move on
Butler has a lower test average and Bairstow has batted higher. If it was a shoot out between the two to bat 7 and keep, in Test cricket, it's a close call for me. However Foakes is far and away the better keeper, so obviously wins that battle over them both. So if its s specialised keeper, it's Foakes everyday of the week. If they want a batsman/keeper it's not as straightforward for me.
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Butler has a lower test average and Bairstow has batted higher. If it was a shoot out between the two to bat 7 and keep, in Test cricket, it's a close call for me. However Foakes is far and away the better keeper, so obviously wins that battle over them both. So if its s specialised keeper, it's Foakes everyday of the week. If they want a batsman/keeper it's not as straightforward for me.
Bairstow averages 28 when hes batted above 6/7 so clearly hes not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didnt select himself
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Bairstow averages 28 when hes batted above 6/7 so clearly hes not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didnt select himself
Not sure what the relevance of "Buttler didn't select himself" is? He had a bit of a purple patch when he came back but has been poor in Tests for a while now. Foakes has never let England down and is by far the best keeper of the 3. Get a proper top 6 in place, Foakes at 7, Woakes at 8. All of a sudden England have a very nicely balanced side. Personally I'd go with:
Sibley
Burns
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
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I can't argue with Ali and Bairstow being part of a 30-man group. When you take out the white-ball only players, you are.struggling for players of international standard when you are looking at that sort of number
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Bairstow averages 28 when hes batted above 6/7 so clearly hes not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didnt select himself
Not sure I get your point, as nobody selects themselves. I think you've reinforced my point though, Butler and Bairstow are pretty close. Neither are probably good enough at test level to bat in the top 6 with others knocking on the door now. But as a 7 and keeping, they're both an option imo.
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Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?
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Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?
Around 70-80 I'd say judging by the comments that get thrown around here about how bad certain players like Ali and Baristow are ;)
Would love to some of the keyboard warriors put their averages up against the pros just for comparison.
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Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?
Averages of the current test keepers.
QdK 39.1
Paine 31.7
BJ Watling 38.5
Saha 30.2
Pant 38.8
Dowrich 30.1
Sarfraz 36.3
Rizwan 32.1
Interesting no one is over 40.
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Bairstow's average whilst being the designated keeper is 37.85 which is 12th among designated keepers with at least 1000 runs.
Other notable averages for comparison are:
De Kock 40.61
Watling 40.32
Prior 40.18
Dhoni 38.09
Rahim 37
Sarfraz 36.39
Stewart 34.92
Haddin 32.98
Paine 31.66
Boucher 30.33
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Around 70-80 I'd say judging by the comments that get thrown around here about how bad certain players like Ali and Baristow are ;)
Would love to some of the keyboard warriors put their averages up against the pros just for comparison.
I've not said Ali isn't good enough (Although I do think there Are much better options yes) and I don't think anyone else has either
The point is that there are better options not selected consistently for the likes of bairstow and mo and buttler, I think we would all agree a side with a top 7 of:
Burns, Sibley, Crawley, root, Stokes, poor, foakes then Bess, Archer, Anderson, broad
Would be beneficial but the "in crowd" always seem to be picked no matter how poor their form is
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Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?
30+ but I'd also expect them to bat to the situation. Bairstow has been bowled playing expansive drives a number of times when what was needed was someone to knuckle down, bat time and shepherd the tail. England actually don't necessarily have a weak tail, Woakes/Curran/Leach/Broad/Wood all have Test 50s, as does Jimmy and Archer has shown he can bat at FC level.
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Bairstow's got a massive technical flaw in his batting and everyone knows all about it now, very much a Gary Ballance situation imo.
Moeen for me is a great selection if we play two spinners, particularly in the subcontinent where he tends to do well with the bat, but he's not quite there in either department as a test specialist.
Buttler v Foakes with the gloves for me - Buttler is just too good not to give him every chance to succeed, even if tests possibly isn't his natural game. If time gets called on that experiment then Foakes is obviously perfectly capable of doing the job. Average-wise? Your keeper needs to be 30+ at 7, ideally 35+. I think they're both capable of that. If batting 6 they need to pull their weight as a genuine bat, but that's unlikely in the current England side.
One thing, I really hope they televise the intra-squad game/s! Hugely interested to see how some of the younger players get on if they get a chance.
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I really don't see how they can change much from the winter, remember they have played zero cricket!
Not even a few CC matches...... nothing. Apart from a inter-squad practice match.
How do you then bring someone in?
The only selection issue/change I can see is Burns back in now he is fit, so does Crawley keep his place and replace Denly at 3.
Other than that i think it will be the same team as SA.
Sibley, Burns, Crawley or Denly, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler,
Bess as the spinner, Curran to keep his place, Broad and Anderson
With the caveat that Root's wife is due early July!
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I wouldn't like to be the guy who had to go tell Jofra he was being left out against the Windies! Mostly agree though, barring big surprises in the squad games the selections will be Denly v Crawley (I'd bat Burns 3 personally as Sibley/Crawley clearly go well together), Bess v Leach and the seam attack where who knows. Can we please pick Jofra, Wood and Stone/JOverton? :D
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Jofra wood and stone would be well worth watching!
i think crawley suits 3 more than burns but any of them 3 can bat in any positions tbh
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I wouldn't like to be the guy who had to go tell Jofra he was being left out against the Windies! Mostly agree though, barring big surprises in the squad games the selections will be Denly v Crawley (I'd bat Burns 3 personally as Sibley/Crawley clearly go well together), Bess v Leach and the seam attack where who knows. Can we please pick Jofra, Wood and Stone/JOverton? :D
Oops! Yep my bad Jofra definitely going to play.
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Glad the chat on here has return to the cricket, very good news :)
Agree with @six and out , not much has changed. Keeping wise a lot of us would have Foakes and if Ali does play we have batting strength in depth so that could be how he gets in the side going forward.
Butler is in possession and whilst he had not had a good run of last he has scored some decent runs over the last 18 months-so a bit more time for him should not really upset too many people. He needs to score and probably would of kept in Sri Lanka.
Bairstow is done I hope he does not get any more test caps, he has no technique or Temperament for the longer form, one days great he has been excellent since he got back in.
Know the are some doubters from our armchairs on Denly but I think he has done a decent job if not pulled up any trees-he got some difficult runs but also got in and out a bit,which is frustrating.
May be time for Crawley, highly rated and has youth on his side. Burns back to his usual place at the top with Sibley.
Mo is a tricky one, not in my side but it's been clear since Ashley Giles went to his house that England want him back in as soon as he is available. On that basis I think he will play.
Windies I think will cause us all sorts of problems in this series, I make them a good bet to beat us. yes really.
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Michael Vaughan stance on recreational cricket I think hes spot on.
Life is getting back to normal for most people and it is time club cricket returned otherwise it runs the risk of losing hundreds of players who may never come back to the sport.
My biggest concern is that over the past four weeks a lot of recreational cricketers have joined golf clubs just to be active.
Memberships are soaring at golf clubs where I live in Cheshire and in Sheffield, where I grew up. A large number of those golfers will be casual recreational cricketers. Will cricket tempt them back? Will they now see golf as their alternative to playing cricket on a Saturday?
Golf is done and dusted in four hours, it does not take the full day which makes it more conducive to family life. That is dangerous for cricket.
I can see no reason why cricket cannot be played now, particularly as shops are open again and the Premier League is back, albeit with restrictions in place. Drive around and you see people in parks and getting on with life. Some people adhere to the rules in supermarkets, but most do not. We have had thousands rightly exercising their democtratic right to demonstrate but we cannot play cricket, a team sport that lends itself to social distancing better than any other.
It is played outdoors, where the risk of transmission is so much smaller, and you can easily put in place restrictions to keep people apart.
The only issue is the ball. But players are well aware now that they should not use saliva. They could have a small bottle of hand sanitizer in their pocket, arrive at grounds ready to play, stop sharing kit, bring their own food and play Twenty20 just to minimise contact. You cant tell me that poses much of a threat after what we have seen in the last two weeks with shops reopening.
I understand why the internationals are the most important priority for the England & Wales Cricket Board because the game needs the television revenue, but recreational cricket should come next on the list.
Realistically, club cricket should be starting now. If there are people who are vulnerable with underlying health conditions, or live with people who need protecting then of course they will be concerned and might not want to play. That is understandable. But there are lots of kids in particular who are not in that situation and just want to play cricket.
Lets get the game going. I just hope the ECB are taking this seriously and not just focussing purely on the internationals. There is a bigger picture to this. The ECBs drive over recent years has been to increase participation. Now the interest gained from winning the 2019 World Cup and Ben Stokes Headingley heroics will all be lost if they are not careful. It is hard enough as it is now to get first and second teams out on Saturday. Good luck trying to do it in 2021if we have not had any cricket since September 2019.
What is frustrating is many cricket clubs around the country are struggling so have furloughed staff. They are likely to wait until the ECB gives the green light in July before bringing staff back to work. These grounds are going to take a couple of weeks to get anything like ready to play. If the groundstaff have been furloughed then who has been looking after pitches? You cant suddenly arrive and play on a pitch. It needs preparing which is why I would like to see the game get ahead of the curve now.
I tweeted Oliver Dowden, the culture minister, this week asking why cricket could not return now. He replied saying they are working on it and pointed to early July at the earliest, provided it can be played safely.
Early July is three weeks away. Come on. Another three weeks before they make a decision, then another couple of weeks to prepare a grounds means they will not start until the end of July. That would give us just one full month in August. Realistically, kids will have four weeks to play before going back to school.
In my opinion, we should have had that green light by now, particularly for junior cricket. I have suggested before playing schools cricket in September to extend the season but nobody seems to want to change because that is when they play rugby. But rugby is unlikely to be back by then so why cant we play cricket in September instead? I bet we dont because nobody is willing to change the system.
The frustration I have with cricket is there are a lot of people who care passionately about it but not willing to change. Too many have accepted we are going to lose the 2020 season. Well, we are not. We have lost half the season but we can save the rest. Get on with it.
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As much as Vaughan can be a pratt a lot of the time, he is right and it is great to see him getting involved and pressurizing the ECB and government.
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Think he got it spot on when he said clubs need some notice to get pitches ready if the season is going to go ahead.
Hes doing well pushing for recreational cricket to resume
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All good pressure yet as long as the government keep it to a max of 6 meeting up.
Cricket can not start. Despite what Vaughan or anyone else want ( myself included)
ECB have been pretty slow generally yet I hope they are prepared for when it can start though :-)
I cant blame them for us not starting yet as it is not under there control
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All good pressure yet as long as the government keep it to a max of 6 meeting up.
Cricket can not start. Despite what Vaughan or anyone else want ( myself included)
ECB have been pretty slow generally yet I hope they are prepared for when it can start though :-)
I cant blame them for us not starting yet as it is not under there control
Sorry but although it might not be the ECB's final decision there is no way the government are actually making the decision really. Oliver Dowden/the government know naff all about the specifics of cricket, so it is down to the ECB to tell the them and give reccomendations. And that is where they are simply failing recreational cricket.
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Sorry but although it might not be the ECB's final decision there is no way the government are actually making the decision really. Oliver Dowden/the government know naff all about the specifics of cricket, so it is down to the ECB to tell the them and give reccomendations. And that is where they are simply failing recreational cricket.
completely agree that they should be advising the government - how do you know the ECB have not been and the government have decided not to change the 6 person limit?
In addition, we are a very small section in society so I am sure that the economic areas - such as retail - have been given higher priority to reopen than sport - specifically cricket.
If cricket doesn't come back but the country restarts. I'm ok with that
the "alert level" has been moved form 4 down to 3 whilst I have been writing this response so we may see some new direction in the coming days. especially now there seems to be attention on this topic via social media
fingers crossed
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Glos Cricket board have emailed clubs to see who can be ready to be in a position to play some form of cricket in july
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Glos Cricket board have emailed clubs to see who can be ready to be in a position to play some form of cricket in july
Wilts are tentatively planning the same mate, early July is the hope. Not sure what the format will look like as of yet though.
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TVL have said for a while the plan is for 4th July round of friendlies, then starting the league on 10th with no promotion or relegation
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I think there has been a bit of a Mexican standoff with the ECB and the leagues where liability is concerned-understandably
Middlesex are now communicating with clubs for a restart 11th July or maybe the following week.
It appears, at the moment, this only applies to first and second eleven cricket.
But it looks like we are closer now to an actual restart.
I think most leagues will firm up this date and we will get half a season in myself, which is as much as we can hope for really.
There are some players reluctant to start playing I know of as this has to be respected whatever level you are at- that does bring problems of course with getting the numbers out.
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I think there has been a bit of a Mexican standoff with the ECB and the leagues where liability is concerned-understandably
Middlesex are now communicating with clubs for a restart 11th July or maybe the following week.
It appears, at the moment, this only applies to first and second eleven cricket.
But it looks like we are closer now to an actual restart.
I think most leagues will firm up this date and we will get half a season in myself, which is as much as we can hope for really.
There are some players reluctant to start playing I know of as this has to be respected whatever level you are at- that does bring problems of course with getting the numbers out.
So no promotion or relegation
Half a season if that
Nothing competitive
Teams not generally going to be able to put out full teams
Stick to friendlies
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So no promotion or relegation
Half a season if that
Nothing competitive
Teams not generally going to be able to put out full teams
Stick to friendlies
I'm not sure about promotion or relegation, it could be just one up and one down which agree would bring issues but as you will know yourself over the years we have been playing competitive cricket has been the marker leagues go by.
The introduction of Sunday leagues (45 or less overs win or lose) has grown in recent years.
I think myself whilst you and I probably remember as youngsters playing Sunday friendly cricket it has died out a lot-that is the reality, whether it makes the game better clearly is debatable, but that Is the reality.
In this case, because of the virus, whatever the leagues put together we need to follow for he benefit of the game overall.
I'm not saying play if you or anyone does not feel safe doing so, I'm saying if your happy to play we should accept whatever the leagues format is.
The ameteur game is dying, everyone knows that, a whole year of not playing would hurt clubs financially and otherwise.
The point about not getting a full team out will be a proble, totally agree there
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So no promotion or relegation
Half a season if that
Nothing competitive
Teams not generally going to be able to put out full teams
Stick to friendlies
What's the difference between playing the league fixtures that were scheduled to be played in July without promotion or relegation and playing friendlies? Seems like a huge administrative burden to sort out a friendly future list with all the problems over ground shares and such like that that brings when there is a perfectly good set of fixtures already set out
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What's the difference between playing the league fixtures that were scheduled to be played in July without promotion or relegation and playing friendlies? Seems like a huge administrative burden to sort out a friendly future list with all the problems over ground shares and such like that that brings when there is a perfectly good set of fixtures already set out
Our league has been rearranged into 6-team local leagues to minimise travel time and where everyone plays everyone once and you can still feel like you won something at the end of the year. Seems to me like this is the best approach. Why doesn't every league do this?
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Communication today that the Two Counties league has been cancelled. Sighted too many clubs cant extend the season, issues with travel to away games as the two main reasons.
Arranging local friendly games but no dates given.
Total load of rubbish from the ECB in my opinion from start to finish in the handling of club cricket but an inevitable outcome given the fact that there has but been any communication to clubs to start getting pitches ready yet. Best guess is maybe 6/7 weeks of friendly games from mid/late July until early Sep.
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Communication today that the Two Counties league has been cancelled. Sighted too many clubs cant extend the season, issues with travel to away games as the two main reasons.
Arranging local friendly games but no dates given.
Total load of rubbish from the ECB in my opinion from start to finish in the handling of club cricket but an inevitable outcome given the fact that there has but been any communication to clubs to start getting pitches ready yet. Best guess is maybe 6/7 weeks of friendly games from mid/late July until early Sep.
With no promotion or relegation all games are friendlies.. thats still circa 12-14 games available if you play sat and sun .. thats as many as most casual players play in a whole season tbf
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Communication today that the Two Counties league has been cancelled. Sighted too many clubs cant extend the season, issues with travel to away games as the two main reasons.
Arranging local friendly games but no dates given.
Total load of rubbish from the ECB in my opinion from start to finish in the handling of club cricket but an inevitable outcome given the fact that there has but been any communication to clubs to start getting pitches ready yet. Best guess is maybe 6/7 weeks of friendly games from mid/late July until early Sep.
Just seen it mate, I thought they were going to try and organise a cup competition or something like that.
But it seems that it's just, here's a list of your nearest clubs and get on with it.
Although I am not surprised, I am annoyed how it's all been handled.
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It's annoying but at this point I'll take any cricket I can get. Scotland doesn't even have training allowed until 29 June, it could be worse!
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Just seen it mate, I thought they were going to try and organise a cup competition or something like that.
But it seems that it's just, here's a list of your nearest clubs and get on with it.
Although I am not surprised, I am annoyed how it's all been handled.
Local leagues could easily have already broken clubs down into groups (closest geographically) and then put out that these will play friendlies . Limits travel etc
Thats the only thing really leagues can sensibly do. Obviously if youre a million miles away it becomes difficult and the odd club might lose out but the odd club is better than all clubs
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Just seen it mate, I thought they were going to try and organise a cup competition or something like that.
But it seems that it's just, here's a list of your nearest clubs and get on with it.
Although I am not surprised, I am annoyed how it's all been handled.
Its not really been handled from the Comms Iv seen. I can honestly say I think the two counties Board has no intentions of trying to get competitive cricket going this season. Hell they dont even let us change a fixture from a sat to Sun or bank holiday Monday for a whole club wedding. Tell you that you will need to fill a side or forfeit the fixture. They are are very backward thinking and stubborn board in the 5 years that Iv been playing in this league.
It was always going to be a challenge when Covid broke and lockdown came in etc but some leagues seem to have been really pro-active and even now have been asking clubs when they can start and which clubs can start ASAP etc. Nothing like that from our cricket board. Now its cancelled when it looks like social distancing is about to be reduced, risk level dropped from 4 to 3, pubs and restaurants re-opening.
Sounds like a rant but the fact the season is now officially over isnt my main point of frustration its how poor our crixket board and the ECB as a whole have been for the sport most of us love. All well and good focusing all your efforts on the pro game but there is no pro game without the amateur game. Be interesting to see how many players now just think actually a summer of no cricket isnt that bad and youngsters just fall away from the game. Iv seen and heard golf has never been so popular
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I think there has been a bit of a Mexican standoff with the ECB and the leagues where liability is concerned-understandably
Middlesex are now communicating with clubs for a restart 11th July or maybe the following week.
It appears, at the moment, this only applies to first and second eleven cricket.
But it looks like we are closer now to an actual restart.
I think most leagues will firm up this date and we will get half a season in myself, which is as much as we can hope for really.
There are some players reluctant to start playing I know of as this has to be respected whatever level you are at- that does bring problems of course with getting the numbers out.
http://www.middlesexccl.com/uploads/2020SeasonPreparations.pdf (http://www.middlesexccl.com/uploads/2020SeasonPreparations.pdf)
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any clubs from middlesex looking for players lol ???
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any clubs from middlesex looking for players lol ???
Id travel from Durham too tbh 😂😂
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Where and how are some of you guys netting? In my area not one club has any nets running
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My league club are netting all the time. Just got back from one today. 2nds have 3 sessions on a Tuesday and 1sts 3 on Thursday. Others organising their own also. Sunday team haven't netted at all.
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We've had one first team session, colts teams are starting to train a bit and just about every session is booked up at the moment. Looking at an 11th July restart and getting senior trainings back on Thursdays, ones training Sundays until then.
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Lots of nets are not open. Ours are in a local school grounds, so they are not going to be keen to let us in any time soon, I guess. I have been netting at a big local club that owns its own grounds and nets.
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Lots of nets are not open. Ours are in a local school grounds, so they are not going to be keen to let us in any time soon, I guess. I have been netting at a big local club that owns its own grounds and nets.
Ive been trying this at a club near me but you have to be a member, and I cant be a member of two clubs in the same league structure at the same time, even if I pay 1 for social membership to the second club.
Cricket doesnt help itself, does it...
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Cricket not part of the easing lockdown restrictions for July 4th
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Cricket not part of the easing lockdown restrictions for July 4th
As predicted: you can now do basically anything you like, most of them far, far riskier than cricket. Shop, cinema, pub, go to the zoo, stay in a hotel, stay over at your mates house, get your hair cut, get your nails done. Everything except cricket. Its enough to think that the ECB have spent the last 3 months furiously lobbying against the resumption of the recreational game.
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I mean, hey, I'm OK with it...
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A cricket ball is a natural vector of desease.
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Basically using the handling of the ball as the excuse. Im starting to lose hope now.
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A cricket ball is a natural vector of desease.
Fortunately, a baseball isn't, so I'm just going to play baseball instead. Problem solved.
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As predicted: you can now do basically anything you like, most of them far, far riskier than cricket. Shop, cinema, pub, go to the zoo, stay in a hotel, stay over at your mates house, get your hair cut, get your nails done. Everything except cricket. Its enough to think that the ECB have spent the last 3 months furiously lobbying against the resumption of the recreational game.
Absolute Shambles! Wish ECB grew a pair and took a call. Watching the premier league games over the week, made me laugh regarding social distancing etc.
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Revenue wise, its not beneficial for the ECB/sky sports for recreational cricket to start. Theyd rather have people watch the West Indies series given how much theyve spent on bringing them here
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The scientist from SAGE , whos a club cricketer, addressed what needed to be done to bring back recreational cricket over a month ago in an article in The Cricketer, why hasnt this been acted upon? You just need a bottle of hand sanitizer behind each stumps. Guernsey showed how it has to be done 3 weeks ago in their first game. Precious time is being wasted and we will lose players, maybe forever
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7 more Pakistan players and one staff tested positive. Suffice to say I'm not sure that tour will be happening...
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Revenue wise, its not beneficial for the ECB/sky sports for recreational cricket to start. Theyd rather have people watch the West Indies series given how much theyve spent on bringing them here
If people have Sky already, doesnt matter if they watch they have already got their subscription...
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Thats it for me. Ive formally retired from playing and taking up fishing and golf. Screw this.
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If people have Sky already, doesnt matter if they watch they have already got their subscription...
Ad revenue from increased viewership?
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7 more Pakistan players and one staff tested positive. Suffice to say I'm not sure that tour will be happening...
Thats 10 in all I think, Giles just said the tour is still going ahead but thats looking more unlikely as each day goes by.
I cant believe our players will accept playing without passing all the tests and accommodation conditions the Windies have
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Have they been tested at any point in their current training scenarios?
I only play for a Sunday side so suspect the comments earlier will mean the year is canned; haven't had a net since early March either
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Boris answered the cricket question directly with a 'no'..
Can't see anything meaningful now until Aug. Friendlies only (or clubs playing 'competitive' games between themselves)
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Sadly this seems to have taken the ECB by surprise. It's almost as if they haven't been paying any attention to club cricket...
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I would argue that Boris was taken by surprise.
Asking him was a daft thing to do
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I would argue that Boris was taken by surprise.
Asking him was a daft thing to do
The only optimism that I have is that it was Johnson who gave that answer and not a medical expert. On the basis that when faced with a direct question Johnson either avoids the questions altogether or tells a lie, I don't think the season is doomed just yet
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We've got senior trainings restarting from tomorrow. 18 max, split between three nets, have to pre register. Hopefully we will be in a position for the restart when it comes!
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While in the interim, Burns has signed with Grays either being dropped from NB or out of contract.
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While in the interim, Burns has signed with Grays either being dropped from NB or out of contract.
Or GN offered more money...
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Or GN offered more money...
Than NB? Is that likely?
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Havent Gray Nicolls always been keen to ensure that all England openers over the past few years use there kit?? Now have Burns, Crawley and Sibley so looks like it will stay that way for a while
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Fortunately, a baseball isn't, so I'm just going to play baseball instead. Problem solved.
BBF (British Baseball) also today confirmed fixtures banned until August 1st.
No mention of Natural vector of disease mentioned though.
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BBF (British Baseball) also today confirmed fixtures banned until August 1st.
No mention of Natural vector of disease mentioned though.
Err, no they said the bbf league starts on August 1st.
Nothing about fixtures being 'banned' til then, and of course there are many non bbf baseball leagues with their own timelines.
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The times reporting July 11th as a start date
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County cricket starting on August 1st
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County cricket starting on August 1st
It will be interesting to see what the County Chairman vote on what format/s come back.
The Blast is a definite as it is the only thing that makes any money.
But I don't think all the Counties want to play a truncated FC format.
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Confirmed- All forms of cricket starting from July 1st in Dubai and other states in the UAE
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Got told earlier that the ecb will confirm in the next day or so that recreational cricket can start from July 11th
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ECB issued guidance to clubs yesterday. Few highlights:
What will the game look like when it returns?
ECB Guidance on playing cricket at Step 4 will be released when Step 4 activity is permitted by Government. The core differences to normal play are yet to be confirmed but are likely to be:
1. Social distancing should be maintained where possible both on and off the field.
2. Regular cleaning of the ball and of players hands in hygiene breaks during play.
3. People should be using outdoor space as much as possible.
4. No use of changing rooms arrive ready to play.
Just waiting on the government to approve
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ECB issued guidance to clubs yesterday. Few highlights:
Just waiting on the government to approve
It's incomprehensible that it's taken them til July to come up with the exact same protocols I proposed on this site in April. Are they thick? Lazy? Apathetic? All of the above?
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It's incomprehensible that it's taken them til July to come up with the exact same protocols I proposed on this site in April. Are they thick? Lazy? Apathetic? All of the above?
Recreational cricket is their last priority
Boris is saying teas are now the problem - bizarre reason. Simple solution would be bring your own tea
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Recreational cricket is their last priority
Boris is saying teas are now the problem - bizarre reason. Simple solution would be bring your own tea
The ECB have 400 staff. Surely at least 1 of them must be charged with thinking about recreational cricket?
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I get the impression those protocols would have been drawn up sometime ago.
As you've probably seen from Boris Johnson on LBC this morning now saying that changing rooms and teas are now an issue, I hope people are realising that its the buffon in charge of the country rather than the ECB directly and whom they're having to deal with
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need to stop asking him questions...
This will now put the announcement (if it is indeed coming) back a week - then we get to a point (with having to give notice to clubs) that we start in Aug - by then is there any point in leagues restarting for something meaningful
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I get the impression those protocols would have been drawn up sometime ago.
As you've probably seen from Boris Johnson on LBC this morning now saying that changing rooms and teas are now an issue, I hope people are realising that its the buffon in charge of the country rather than the ECB directly and whom they're having to deal with
The ECB could have pushed harder but ultimately this is a failure from the Government not the ECB. If it is safe for pubs and restaurants to open to serve customers indoors from Saturday, there is no reason why we should not be playing cricket
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ECB has shifted blame to the government - they pretty much covered everything in their document yesterday.
Playing cricket simply doesnt benefit the government - why would they want 22 players to waste a Saturday playing cricket when they need them spending in shops and pubs.
Next week sight screens will be the reason why cricket cant restart
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The ECB have got to take their share of the blame, it's their job to get the game on. Plenty of other sports have managed it, and others that haven't have set out their plans far better.
One thing noone's saying is it's surely all about numbers at this point - Boris waffle aside, it's still only at max groups of 6.
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I get the impression those protocols would have been drawn up sometime ago.
As you've probably seen from Boris Johnson on LBC this morning now saying that changing rooms and teas are now an issue, I hope people are realising that its the buffon in charge of the country rather than the ECB directly and whom they're having to deal with
The thing is, any process of drawing up stages and protocols should be done openly and transparently. Clubs should have received updates about the protocols as they were being developed, and given the opportunity to provide feedback and suggestions - lets not forget that recreational cricketers have day jobs, and many will know far more about this kind of thing than some professional dogsbody at the ECB. Use that expertise! I work in policy development and guidance ffs, given my personal interest in this going well, I'd have helped them out for free.
The 5-step pathway could and should have been published in March, with protocols for a range of possible scenarios for the different stages developed openly and transparently throughout April. By 1st May, they should have been with DCMS for feedback, pushing for a 1st June start date - with delay until 4th July being a worst-case scenario.
Instead, we are where we are, the day before what should have been the worst-case outcome, still having negotiations with HMG that should have been resolved 2 months ago, and with no meaningful details of protocols having reached the clubs yet.
The impression I get is that the ECB simply don't have the staff in place to plan and manage detailed and difficult projects like this. They've been late and unprepared at every step of the way, and to make it worse, they're secretive and arrogant, and in total denial that they could have done any better.
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The ECB have got to take their share of the blame, it's their job to get the game on. Plenty of other sports have managed it, and others that haven't have set out their plans far better.
One thing noone's saying is it's surely all about numbers at this point - Boris waffle aside, it's still only at max groups of 6.
As a side-issue, the max groups of 6 thing is a total nonsense based on meaningless semantics. Its the worst-written guidance I've ever encountered. There is no functional limit on gatherings in pubs or shops, in parks or on beaches. The only specification is that you should "try to limit social interaction" with groups who you did not "attend with", but how enforceable is that, exactly?
The ultimate distinction is that organised gatherings are banned, but disorganised or spontaneous gatherings are fine. There is zero public health benefit to this rule. It makes no sense. Unfortunately, recreational sport is one of the few things that you couldn't really claim to be a spontaneous gathering.
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In the same way that you cannot blame pubs, restaurants, hairdressers for not opening until now, yiu cannot blame the ECB. I have former work colleagues working there. They've been near demanding Government let us play. It's the Government's decision. Going from the ball is the issue to teas and changing illustrates that. The ECB are losing cash big time. They're not looking for excuses not to play.
As it stands, accordimg to Gov logic, you can stand and have drinks in your club's licensed bar, but not eat teas in the same room. You can net outdoors, but not play. That's not on the ECB. They're not the villains here, by any stretch. They can't usurp law and the lockdown.
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* you cant stand at a bar either from Saturday
True, but you could sit with your alcoholic beverage... :)
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He's now saying guidelines out in the next few days with a view to starting next weekend?
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(https://i.imgur.com/Ex2W7Ah.png)
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https://twitter.com/ECB_cricket/status/1279092096067133440?s=20
HOORAH
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In the same way that you cannot blame pubs, restaurants, hairdressers for not opening until now, yiu cannot blame the ECB. I have former work colleagues working there. They've been near demanding Government let us play. It's the Government's decision. Going from the ball is the issue to teas and changing illustrates that. The ECB are losing cash big time. They're not looking for excuses not to play.
As it stands, accordimg to Gov logic, you can stand and have drinks in your club's licensed bar, but not eat teas in the same room. You can net outdoors, but not play. That's not on the ECB. They're not the villains here, by any stretch. They can't usurp law and the lockdown.
Precious few sensible comments on this thread, this is one of them.
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Got told earlier that the ecb will confirm in the next day or so that recreational cricket can start from July 11th
Boom
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/08/amateur-cricket-is-back-but-strict-rules-mean-players-will-have-to-do-without-tea (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/08/amateur-cricket-is-back-but-strict-rules-mean-players-will-have-to-do-without-tea)
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No tea and no showers, presumably some CBF members won't bother playing then ;)
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No tea and no showers, presumably some CBF members won't bother playing then ;)
They've taken away the two best parts of the day! :(
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They've taken away the two beat parts of the day! :(
Depends who you're playing against, I can think of a few teas I'd have happily replaced with a 4 hour old Greggs 😅
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On another side note, Uri Geller has been found in Cambridgeshire. Protocols in March? Ill have the lottery numbers please
lo and behold, the protocols are basically identical to the ones I suggested in April.
It took me 10 minutes to come up with them, it took the ECB multiple people working full time for 3 months. And we wonder why we have a productivity problem in this country.
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lo and behold, the protocols are basically identical to the ones I suggested in April.
It took me 10 minutes to come up with them, it took the ECB multiple people working full time for 3 months. And we wonder why we have a productivity problem in this country.
I don't think coming up with the protocols was the issue, As you said it only took you 10 minutes - it's not a significant intellectual task. I would argue that getting the virus under control so that they could get the previously mentioned protocols signed off from the Government is what has taken the last 3 months
anyway, cricket is back!! isn't this exciting!!
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I don't think coming up with the protocols was the issue, As you said it only took you 10 minutes - it's not a significant intellectual task. I would argue that getting the virus under control so that they could get the previously mentioned protocols signed off from the Government is what has taken the last 3 months
anyway, cricket is back!! isn't this exciting!!
But any time anyone, including our county board rep, asked to see what the protocols would be, we were told the ECB hadn't developed them yet and needed more thinking time.
The phrase thick as pig (No Swearing Please) springs to mind.
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"In the event of rain, spectators must return to their own vehicle or hide under their own tree."
I bet the all knowing all seeing SLA didn't anticipate having to bring your own tree just in case :D
On the contrary, I planted a tree several years ago anticipating this exact requirement.
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Does this mean I can't run down the middle of the track or shoulder barge the bowler ;) :D
"Batsmen must run down a clearly marked path at the wicket and sanitise their bats once dismissed"
I wonder how many are going to wipe down there bats putting a load of moisture into the wood!
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Think Ill just wait until next summer. Hopefully theres a medical breakthrough and Im not really interested in disinfecting my kit.
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It's really weird right now, normally I'm scrabbling around for players for the midweek team, but I've actually got 19 keen to play next week!
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It's really weird right now, normally I'm scrabbling around for players for the midweek team, but I've actually got 19 keen to play next week!
Same here. We've got 15 available for both games next week, and are thinking of adding extra fixtures.
All these people predicting noone in their club will wanna play... I think the club is the problem not the sport...
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Similar for our club, we have 35 available for a intra club game this weekend
Players keen to get a game - memberships have been reduced at our club to half
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We've got five teams out across the weekend with only a couple of players getting two games. I've never seen anything like it! Some teams on Saturday have 12 men as well.
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Apparently some clubs who use a council pitch wont be able to play as councils didnt really do any pitch preparation. Such a shame really! Wish councils were more pro-active.
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Apparently some clubs who use a council pitch wont be able to play as councils didnt really do any pitch preparation. Such a shame really! Wish councils were more pro-active.
To be fair, a lot of council groundworkers were furloughed and are now playing catchup. Suppose that's the downside of using council run facilities.