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who will move where?
Im hearing that notts fancy joe clarke from worcester and sam billings.
I think billings would be a great signing as a really dont wanna see tom moores keeping in the 4 day side!!
plenty of stories and theories on the bbc sport page here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41154332 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41154332)
post your theories who you'd like at your county and any confirmed transfers
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Interesting list - Notts and Hampshire again the biggest pilferers and Kent seemingly this year's Durham with three of their main talents up for grabs.
For Yorkshire...
Well, the rumour going around toward the end of the season was that Darryl Mitchell was coming over from Worcestershire, but that has seemingly been quashed by the club. I think with eh weight of England calls, we probably need two more bodies plus an Overseas. A top order bat, some competition in the middle order, and a quality finger spinner. If someone offered me Bell-Drummond, Shaun Marsh on a Kolpak and (cannot believe I've changed my mind so much about the guy) Nathan Lyon I'd back us to win the Championship.
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Never mind that. Is Freddie van den Bergh getting another contract?
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Would expect so - the Surrey members were very impressed with his bowling against us on an absolute shirtfront at the Oval.
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He did have five years preparing for it!
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He did have five years preparing for it!
well, yes. Whether they'll keep him I don't know - I thought he looked a decent bowler, but they do also have Amar Virdi who is highly thought of.
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who will move where?
Im hearing that notts fancy joe clarke from worcester and sam billings.
I think billings would be a great signing as a really dont wanna see tom moores keeping in the 4 day side!!
ive heard the same but with clarke having only one year left on his contract i think he will be leaving at the end of next season rather then this winter.
mick cadmore has just followed his son to yorkshire and will be the dressing room attendant next season
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well, yes. Whether they'll keep him I don't know - I thought he looked a decent bowler, but they do also have Amar Virdi who is highly thought of.
Why is a left-arm spinner seen as exactly the same as a right-arm spinner to people on here?
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Matt Coles to Essex is a rumour.
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Why is a left-arm spinner seen as exactly the same as a right-arm spinner to people on here?
I don't see them as the same, I merely wonder how many young spinners Surrey - who also have Batty seemingly intent on playing forever and Borthwick in their First XI - might want.
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Anyone heard anymore about the Morkel to Warwickshire rumour?
I'd heard about Coles to Essex, but really can't see the need with Porter, Walter, Beard, Cook, Harmer, Bopara, Tendo & A.N. Other overseas Bowler.
Much truth in the Mo Ali to Warks / Hants rumours?
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Anyone heard anymore about the Morkel to Warwickshire rumour?
I'd heard about Coles to Essex, but really can't see the need with Porter, Walter, Beard, Cook, Harmer, Bopara, Tendo & A.N. Other overseas Bowler.
Much truth in the Mo Ali to Warks / Hants rumours?
Morkel has been sniffing around a Kolpak move all year - I don't think he is feeling the love in South Africa, and I know there were rumours that he was worried that his body would not hold out for much longer. The line at the time was that Surrey, Warwickshire and Notts had all asked to be kept appraised.
Coles is decent, you can see why Essex would take a punt. Porter has a stress fracture, Ravi and Tendo are batsmen who bowl a few overs and there are always issues around overseas signings availability.
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Billings signed a new deal at Kent and is now VC so won’t be going to notts
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Not on the playing front, but I am pleased to see Nixon appointed as Leicestershire coach. He has deep links with the county and seemed to be a strong mentor during his playing days. Hopefully, he will instil the right sort of steel (ie taking the players along with his attitude, rather than pulling away from them in a different, confrontational way).
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Matt Coles has signed for Essex from Kent.
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Matt Coles has signed for Essex from Kent.
Corr will H4L pay for the postage now? Hehe
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I am chuffed with Ryan Higgins at Gloucester. Hope he makes a hundred against Middlesex in the CC next year.
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Surrey sign Mitchell Marsh...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41694616 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41694616)
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Quite happy with that to be honest. Can't really replace anyone of Sanga's calibre, so to have another bowler in what was predominantly abject last year can only be a good thing. Big plus that he should be available for most of the season as well, and some added 50/20 over experience to boot.
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I am chuffed with Ryan Higgins at Gloucester. Hope he makes a hundred against Middlesex in the CC next year.
Looks an even better signing now, as I see Jack Taylor's been banned from bowling. Again.
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Not a transfer as such but Aussie bowler Nathan Rimmington has signed for Durham on an English passport. Bowling has often been something we haven't lacked up here but having an experienced bowler to guide the young lads is no bad thing (strange saying that after letting Onions go but hey ho)
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Chris Nash to Surrey? Or Notts?
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Chris Nash to Surrey? Or Notts?
He's thirty plus, probably Surrey...
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The biggest signing this year is by far the re-signing of Moeen by Worcs - great to see some loyalty in the game!
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He's thirty plus, probably Surrey...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/08/31/surrey-set-post-war-record-four-teenagers-county-championship/amp/ (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/08/31/surrey-set-post-war-record-four-teenagers-county-championship/amp/)
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Chris Nash might struggle a bit at mid thirties, shame to leave Sussex after all these years. On the subject of Sussex, my second favourite county having played for Arundel cc for a year(batting paradise got some runs!!) what do Sussex fans think of Chris Adams possible return as head coach?. He always seems to be touting for the job....and there's now a vacancy.
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I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't have another two years somewhere. He'd be a good signing.
Press release said "he wishes to take his career in another direction". That could mean he is leaving the game, but I don't think so.
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Id love it! As captian he did a Leicester City with Sussex!
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The biggest signing this year is by far the re-signing of Moeen by Worcs - great to see some loyalty in the game!
As a Worcester fan i'm delighted by this and you are correc the loyalty is great to see however I don't think the signing on any England play can seen as big these day as they are so rarely released to play for their counties.
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As a Worcester fan i'm delighted by this and you are correc the loyalty is great to see however I don't think the signing on any England play can seen as big these day as they are so rarely released to play for their counties.
Which is why i thought it was quite odd that other counties were heavily interested in Moeen, he would hardly have played for them
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From an on-field perspective, he obviously doesn't play much county wise but when he does it's always helpful.
From a commercial perspective however he's a huge signing, there aren't many players in the country that command as much from a commercial as him I wouldn't have thought. He's one of the first names on the England team sheet at the moment and has somewhat of a cult following going on. For a smaller team like Worcs, it's a big deal for us - a great figure head for the club if nothing else.
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moeen is a brilliant signing. worcs having an england player and especially one as recognisable as mo certainly helps a lot
also when he is around the team he makes a difference to the players gives them a lift and such like. it also creates a buzz with the supporters, they almost seem more interested in the cricket.
one final note easy is a lovely guy and always a pleasure to talk to
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He also brings inspiration to youngsters of a similar background. I believe Warwickshire were interested getting him support a plan to encourage more talent from Asian heritage through their youth system. Also competing for the same players, they have lost out on a few to Worcs over the last 5 - 10 years.
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Northants have signed Luke Procter - a somewhat less elegant left-hander - from Lancashire.
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Chris Nash signs for Notts on a 3 year deal
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Chris Nash signs for Notts on a 3 year deal
I should have put a fiver on it...
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Just using this thread...
Billings new Kent captain and Northeast given permission to talk to other clubs
http://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-appointed-kent-captain-for-2018/ (http://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-appointed-kent-captain-for-2018/)
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could be a good move for someone like sussex
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could be a good move for someone like sussex
Definitely, especially given they lost Nash.
Will they have the financial clout though to compete with Notts, Hampshire & the other Test Ground counties?
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Just using this thread...
Billings new Kent captain and Northeast given permission to talk to other clubs
[url]http://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-appointed-kent-captain-for-2018/[/url] ([url]http://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-appointed-kent-captain-for-2018/[/url])
Time for him to move to Surrey and get an England call up :D
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could be a good move for someone like sussex
Surely he will only move to a Div 1 side
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No point in Northeast going anywhere but a division 1 side. Yorkshire or Surrey surely leading the case
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Surrey, Notts and Lancs will all have a sniff - they always do.
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Northeast on his way to div 1 sharpish, England side before the end of the year. Mr Keeley had better get those CNC machines warmed up for when the bats get on tv!
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I'd have him at Yorkshire tmro, but can't see them chasing him as I'd say they'd prefer to promote from within. But he's too talented to miss out on IMO
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Surrey, Notts and Lancs will all have a sniff - they always do.
Lancs would have quite the batting lineup in championship cricket.. Albeit a few could gain England honours.
Davies
Hameed
Jennings
Livingstone
Northeast
Chanderpaul
Vilas/Buttler
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I'd have him at Yorkshire tmro, but can't see them chasing him as I'd say they'd prefer to promote from within. But he's too talented to miss out on IMO
Like Brooks, Plunkett, Willey and Kohler-Cadmore
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Northeast on his way to div 1 sharpish, England side before the end of the year. Mr Keeley had better get those CNC machines warmed up for when the bats get on tv!
Not sure he is that good but he's been tipped for the top since his schooldays. Whether he is ahead of Jennings,Hameed,westley(remember him?) living stone and Laurence I'm not sure
I have a friend who plays for Kent and I know Northeast is hugely rated. Big decision from him and a brave one, it can only of been done with an eye to get in the test side.
Surrey or Yorkshire maybe the best bet for that?
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No point in Northeast going anywhere but a division 1 side. Yorkshire or Surrey surely leading the case
Cricinfo article says Notts or Hampshire are looking most likely right now.
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As a Kent fan a massive loss to KCCC and with him gone and Billings no doubt missing a large part of the season when England have white ball cricket I can see them having a challenging year, plenty of young talent but little with a proven reputation now except Stevens, DBD and billings on the batting front.
I hope he does get an England call up as he has been churning out runs in all formats for years plus having now been a captain for a few seasons his maturity levels make him on paper an ideal candidate as also plenty of experience.
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Like Brooks, Plunkett, Willey and Kohler-Cadmore
What does that mean?
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I'd have him at Yorkshire tmro, but can't see them chasing him as I'd say they'd prefer to promote from within. But he's too talented to miss out on IMO
Oh, I would too - we need competition for places in the top five as the existing Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Ballance, Kohler-Cadmore (plus whichever overseas) have gotten comfortable since YJB was moved to permanent England duty. But we have Brook coming through, and as our CE pointed out, players good enough to get in our top five are usually intimidated by the absence of an obvious place to fill in it.
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Like Brooks, Plunkett, Willey and Kohler-Cadmore
Brooks and Willey yes. You could have had Hodd as well if you'd wanted.
But Plunkett and Kohler-Cadmore are Yorkshire born and bred. The former was poached by Durham with more favourable Academy terms, the latter by a scholarship at Malvern College
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Brooks and Willey yes. You could have had Hodd as well if you'd wanted.
But Plunkett and Kohler-Cadmore are Yorkshire born and bred. The former was poached by Durham with more favourable Academy terms, the latter by a scholarship at Malvern College
Does that really count as promoting from within?
Not saying they don’t produce a lot of quality homegrown players, just that they’re not entirely adverse to signing players from the poorer counties.
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No I know that, that's only 4 you've pointed out though, aren't many others in comparison to others, and 2 if which are Yorkshiremen anyway
Imagine hel prefer to stay warm and comfy down south anyway
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(https://s13.postimg.org/uk58dq45j/D679_A5_A0-6_C72-43_DA-98_EB-_ECC2_EBBEA475.png)
My moneys on Sam Northeast
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My money's on a T20 has been signing at best.
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Pollard?
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I have it on very good authority it’s Tamim Iqbal
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I'd be amazed if Northeast went from Kent to Sussex - does nothing to get him the shop window he is hoping for in front of the selectors.
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Surely it might be a T20 signing... maybe the Gillespie influence and someone from the Strikers? Rashid Khan would be a scoop!
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Northeast is too good for Div 2. It'll be something like Archer signing a new deal
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It does nothing for his England chances except put him under the wing of the next England coach
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100% not Northeast.
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I have it on very good authority it’s Rahkeem Cornwall
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I have it on very good authority it’s Rahkeem Cornwall
Really hope this is true, gives all us chunky monkeys hope!
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I run his fan-club, we're called 'Keem's Dream Team'!
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County cricket needs more big units
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County cricket needs more big units
i am available but had no offers :( haha
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I’ve heard it’s Dwayne Leverock? ;)
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Rashid Khan... great signing
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Rashid Khan to Sussex
https://twitter.com/SussexCCC/status/960860857566670848 (https://twitter.com/SussexCCC/status/960860857566670848)
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Makes sense I guess, probably had Gillespie in his ear for the last 2 months at the Big Bash
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Surely it might be a T20 signing... maybe the Gillespie influence and someone from the Strikers? Rashid Khan would be a scoop!
Yep i thought it might be :D :D
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See - I told you
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Mills, Jordan, Archer & Khan is a pretty decent bowling attack!
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And you can add Garton to that.
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And you can add Garton to that.
Here's hoping he'll actually get a game when Archer and Jordan are off to the IPL.
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Here's hoping he'll actually get a game when Archer and Jordan are off to the IPL.
He ought to, though that said Robinson and Whittingham will be up there too.
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Zampa to Essex for the whole Blast.
They don't want Harmer bowling in the T20 stuff really, he didn't bowl any differently in the T20s to CC, and got absolutely carted!
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Cricinfo reporting (within the Chadd Sayers story) that Hants have won the race to sign Northeast.
Test Ground, rich enough to afford him, but is it really the big move he needs to propel him towards the Test Side?
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Cricinfo reporting (within the Chadd Sayers story) that Hants have won the race to sign Northeast.
Test Ground, rich enough to afford him, but is it really the big move he needs to propel him towards the Test Side?
Test Match ground, Division 1 cricket, produced a few England players so in the limelight (admittedly Vince & Crane)
It's possibly as good a move for him as any.
It may have been circumstantial too. George Bailey is likely to retire soon (1 or 2 more seasons I reckon) and Northeast is a captain. Has he made the move with the intention of taking over as skipper?
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And we just got awarded an Ashes test match :)
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It may have been circumstantial too. George Bailey is likely to retire soon (1 or 2 more seasons I reckon) and Northeast is a captain. Has he made the move with the intention of taking over as skipper?
I read on cricinfo recently that Bailey was not planning to return to Hants this year, so that would make sense.
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Apologies, I must have thought I was back in Feb 2017 when they were on the brink of Div 2. My bad! :(
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I read on cricinfo recently that Bailey was not planning to return to Hants this year, so that would make sense.
Really? I thought he'd signed for 2018
I may have hallucinated that
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And we just got awarded an Ashes test match :)
Because that makes so much sense.
Oh, wait, it doesn't. :( :( :( :( :(
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Really? I thought he'd signed for 2018
I may have hallucinated that
He had, http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/22177499/george-bailey-vacillating-hampshire-return (http://www.espn.co.uk/cricket/story/_/id/22177499/george-bailey-vacillating-hampshire-return)
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Because that makes so much sense.
Oh, wait, it doesn't. :( :( :( :( :(
I know your ground loses out and mine gains. For what it's worth, they do put on a very good show there. Went to watch the India test a few years back, and seen numerous big games there. They have a good set up.
Have to agree that Trent Bridge and your place losing out is sad though.
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More tests in the south = more chance of an Aussie win.
Wouldn't catch the Aussies having a test down in Hobart when we're over.
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I know your ground loses out and mine gains. For what it's worth, they do put on a very good show there. Went to watch the India test a few years back, and seen numerous big games there. They have a good set up.
Have to agree that Trent Bridge and your place losing out is sad though.
Oh, this is not a partisan thing - face is nowadays I've way more chance of getting to the Rose Bowl for a game than I have of going to Headingley, and the fact is that England tend to do disproprtionately badly at Headingley because it has more pace and bounce than most of our pitches, so plays to the strengths of overseas bowlers more. But I do worry that we are not playing at Trent Bridge where the conditions and the memory of their abject humiliation last time will hang over the Aussies.
I also worry about staging a major game at the Rose Bowl, given how poor the logistics around the ground have been in the past. Its a good viewing ground once you get inside, but the journey in and out can be horrendous.
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Agreed. When I say they have a good set up, that's providing you can actually get in before the start of play!!
PS - it's nice us having at chat about Hampshire that isn't Kolpak related ;)
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Agreed. When I say they have a good set up, that's providing you can actually get in before the start of play!!
PS - it's nice us having at chat about Hampshire that isn't Kolpak related ;)
Aye. On which subject - signed any good ones recently? ;)
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Hampshire do know that Northeast isn't South African?
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Hampshire do know that Northeast isn't South African?
please note thid WASN'T me.
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I don't think so, but we have our scouts out in Joburg ;)
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I noticed a couple of young Australians in Hampshire's Caribbean jolly team too... :D
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Ishant signs for Sussex for the first two months.
Definitely cover for Archer, but this is just an awful signing and the problem with County stuff as far as I'm concerned. Proved time and time again he's nothing special, then a county sign him, short term just so he can get used to English conditions to give India a better chance of beating England!
Would you see any other country in the world do that? Giving a second rate bowler 2 competitive months to get used to conditions, I don't think so!
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Ishant signs for Sussex for the first two months.
Definitely cover for Archer, but this is just an awful signing and the problem with County stuff as far as I'm concerned. Proved time and time again he's nothing special, then a county sign him, short term just so he can get used to English conditions to give India a better chance of beating England!
Would you see any other country in the world do that? Giving a second rate bowler 2 competitive months to get used to conditions, I don't think so!
Like Pujara at Yorkshire
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I noticed a couple of young Australians in Hampshire's Caribbean jolly team too... :D
Who's that then? I missed this.
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Like Pujara at Yorkshire
Hardly second-rate!
But, yes, I'm very much against the rotating-door overseas pro thing. It undermines the integrity of English cricket. Like pretty much everything else that is going on at the moment.
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Who's that then? I missed this.
Kid called Organ and Ian Holland
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I hope his full name isn't Hugh J Organ!
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Kid called Organ and Ian Holland
Yep. Felix Organ has been in the UK since he was 2. Done really well for the 2s and the Academy but looks like he's had a tough start. Ian Holland played for South Wilts in the Southern Premier League last year. He won a Cricket reality show in Aus. I think he qualifies for the US, England and Aus!
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Northeast has joined Hampshire.
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It had to be a 1st div Side if he wants to play for England, sounds like from cricinfo there was some animosity at Kent
He's a very good player and there might be a gap if Vince don't score in NZ
Malan looks like he could be long term so not may gaps to fill
Wish him luck, tough to leave your club after this long
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Northeast has joined Hampshire.
Yep, confirmed here, nice shot of him with a Keeley.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43104848 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43104848)
Apparently likely to be 4 day captain
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Looks like Northeast is a straight swap for George Bailey. As a Hants fan I think this is great business.
[size=78%]https://www.cricket.com.au/news/george-bailey-hampshire-ipl-indian-premier-league-option-family-wife-baby-cricket-future/2018-02-14 (https://www.cricket.com.au/news/george-bailey-hampshire-ipl-indian-premier-league-option-family-wife-baby-cricket-future/2018-02-14)[/size]
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Looks like Northeast is a straight swap for George Bailey. As a Hants fan I think this is great business.
[size=78%]https://www.cricket.com.au/news/george-bailey-hampshire-ipl-indian-premier-league-option-family-wife-baby-cricket-future/2018-02-14 (https://www.cricket.com.au/news/george-bailey-hampshire-ipl-indian-premier-league-option-family-wife-baby-cricket-future/2018-02-14)[/size]
Also a Hants fan, it’s a fantastic deal. Him and Vince in 3 and 4 could be very destructive across the formats.
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Shame for Joe Weatherely and Tom Allsop
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Shame for Joe Weatherely and Tom Allsop
Isn't Weatherly an opener?
Top bloke
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No he tend to bat middle order played against him last year when he played for St Cross with Asher Hart.
Weatherley is a very good batsman went to Kent on loan but struggled.
I see he been opening on the one day stuff.
I hope he gets a look in but looking at Hants i doubt it he hardly got a look in last year.
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I know he went to Kent and didn't have a great time of it.
Had a good chat with him at the end of last season, he was presenting the awards at our presentation night
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I know he went to Kent and didn't have a great time of it.
Had a good chat with him at the end of last season, he was presenting the awards at our presentation night
Yes him and Alsop top lads also think Felix Organ is going to have a good summer if he gets a bit of game time he bowled well to me and i have seen him bat.
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Shame for Joe Weatherely and Tom Allsop
Presumably unless they sign an overseas opener (and I can't think of anyone suitable available) one of them will get a solid run opening even in our strongest XI and with Vince potentially missing for chunks of the season all it would take is 1 injury for a spot to open for both of them.
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Yorkshire are announcing a new signing at 7am tomorrow. Time makes me think it’s Indian.... Virat Kohli to play a few CC games?
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https://www.facebook.com/yorkshireccc/posts/1842418079161968 (https://www.facebook.com/yorkshireccc/posts/1842418079161968)
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Yorkshire are announcing a new signing at 7am tomorrow. Time makes me think it’s Indian.... Virat Kohli to play a few CC games?
Not Indian.
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Be something dull like a new contract being signed by Steve Patterson
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Be something dull like a new contract being signed by Steve Patterson
It’s not, it is a “ big “ new signing but sworn to secrecy I’m afraid! ;)
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Not Indian.
D’Arcy Short to play some T20?
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Steve Smith for the last 4 championship games?
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Hopefully something more than a T20 signing
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A big, big signing means Rakeem Cornwall!
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The big big signing was Billy Stanlake 😐
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Only Billy Stanlake
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Underwhelmed!
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Interesting to see how Stanlake goes in English conditions.
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Not sure how to take it. Sure on his day he will be a handful, but that added pace will fly off the bat too
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Not sure how to take it. Sure on his day he will be a handful, but that added pace will fly off the bat too
No pleasing some people!
I'd take the view that he's one of the quickest around and will be taking lots of wickets rather than how many outside edges he's going to get squirting down to 3rd man.
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When you think about the pace that's currently in and around the English circuit it's nothing compared to the pace this lad bowl, be interesting to see how the batsman adapt to the added pace another good signing for Yorkshire, as a durham fan would have loved to have billy running in from the finchale end !!
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i thought that the great county of Yorkshire would already have a battery of superior options bred on whippet meat and coal dust, but hey ho.
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Very good signing. I think he'll do well.
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Announced this morning - Durham sign Aiden Markram and Tom Latham as Overseas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43197514 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43197514)
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Morkel to retire from international cricket - reading between the lines it seems like he will do a kolpak deal.
edit: From reading around more seems like his wife wants to be based in AUS so he might just be a T20 mercenary
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Morkel to retire from international cricket - reading between the lines it seems like he will do a kolpak deal.
edit: From reading around more seems like his wife wants to be based in AUS so he might just be a T20 mercenary
Am I right in thinking that Warwickshire were interested in him when there was talk of him going the Kolpak route.
There'll be a few counties interested in him even if it's only for t20 cricket
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I've heard a rumour Morkel will go to Kent on a kolpak deal
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Please please please please please come to Surrey
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*Sighs* don't any of the counties develop their own anymore?
(though if he comes to Yorkshire, I'll be pointing out that we did develop him, with the 18 overs he bowled in his first stint with us pivotal in his development)
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Pretty sure he won't be joining Surrey. The DiVo is happy with the seam options apparently and keen to give more chances to the younger batsmen which is why we didn't bid for Northeast.
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So realistically, the counties for Morkel are:
Derby - Not enough money
Durham - Not enough money
Essex - Maybe, but a real outside chance
Glamorgan - Maybe, again. Div 2 hampering them a touch though possibly?
Gloucester - Nope
Hampshire - Not enough money left after all their recent signings, who must be on decent money!
Kent - If it weren't for all the rumours, I'd have said no, but looks like a strong possibility.
Lancashire - Possibly, given they won't see too much of Jimmy & Jarvis has left.
Leicestershire - No chance
Middlesex - Pace bowling stocks are already strong enough
Northants - Nope
Notts - As per Middlesex
Somerset - Possibly, could see them having a go.
Sussex - Bowling stocks strong enough already I would say (Archer, Whittingham, Garton, Jordan)
Surrey - Maybe, although as per above DiVu is pretty happy with his lot at the moment. Not unlike Surrey to throw some cash around though, is it? ;)
Warks - Possibly, I'd say they need a bit of strengthening in the seam department and this would work perfectly!
Worcs - Nope
Yorkshire - Can't see it, they seem a bit more against Kolpak (other than Deon Kruis!)
So, looks to be one of: Essex, Glamorgan, Kent, Lancs, Somerset, Surrey or Warks. I'd probably say Lancs or Warks would be favourites should it come to it.....
Orrrr..... He's so good, I reckon one of the Aussie States might sign him as an overseas? His Aussie wife would probably he happiest in Aus and given his relative youth, could well help one of the States massively!
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*Sighs* don't any of the counties develop their own anymore?
(though if he comes to Yorkshire, I'll be pointing out that we did develop him, with the 18 overs he bowled in his first stint with us pivotal in his development)
Obviously the talent just isn’t there so teams have to buy it in. When is the last time we produced a class bowler like morkel here ? (Aka not a white ball bowler)
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So realistically, the counties for Morkel are:
Derby - Not enough money
Durham - Not enough money
Essex - Maybe, but a real outside chance
Glamorgan - Maybe, again. Div 2 hampering them a touch though possibly?
Gloucester - Nope
Hampshire - Not enough money left after all their recent signings, who must be on decent money!
Kent - If it weren't for all the rumours, I'd have said no, but looks like a strong possibility.
Lancashire - Possibly, given they won't see too much of Jimmy & Jarvis has left.
Leicestershire - No chance
Middlesex - Pace bowling stocks are already strong enough
Northants - Nope
Notts - As per Middlesex
Somerset - Possibly, could see them having a go.
Sussex - Bowling stocks strong enough already I would say (Archer, Whittingham, Garton, Jordan)
Surrey - Maybe, although as per above DiVu is pretty happy with his lot at the moment. Not unlike Surrey to throw some cash around though, is it? ;)
Warks - Possibly, I'd say they need a bit of strengthening in the seam department and this would work perfectly!
Worcs - Nope
Yorkshire - Can't see it, they seem a bit more against Kolpak (other than Deon Kruis!)
So, looks to be one of: Essex, Glamorgan, Kent, Lancs, Somerset, Surrey or Warks. I'd probably say Lancs or Warks would be favourites should it come to it.....
Orrrr..... He's so good, I reckon one of the Aussie States might sign him as an overseas? His Aussie wife would probably he happiest in Aus and given his relative youth, could well help one of the States massively!
There is precedent with Johann Botha after all. I wonder if we'll see one season over here, one there and then review whether he wants to play a full calender year. In terms of options, this is mostly about who has money in their wage bill at this stage of the pre-season. The only place he might conceiveably go on the cheap is Kent, because Allan Donald brings the Yarpie connection.
So, one of the test grounds? Warwickshire were certainly interested last year, and Lancashire will sign any available foreigner on principle. I also wonder if Notts might go for him - again, they have always been ruthlessly acquisitive.
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Pretty sure he won't be joining Surrey. The DiVo is happy with the seam options apparently and keen to give more chances to the younger batsmen which is why we didn't bid for Northeast.
Im not sure our bowling attack is good enough to not go for him.
A lot will depend on Meakers fitness and the Currans England selections. Take those three out the equation and we look very light. Theres a lot more talent coming through with the bat than there is the ball.
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Im not sure our bowling attack is good enough to not go for him.
A lot will depend on Meakers fitness and the Currans England selections. Take those three out the equation and we look very light. Theres a lot more talent coming through with the bat than there is the ball.
What have Surrey got? Tom Curran, Sam Curran, Meaker, Dernbach, Pillans, Dunn, McKerr plus Clarke and Marsh as all rounders? Its a decent squad of seamers (9) but possibly a bit light on quality - a county with less money and less of a buy success mentality might say, nah, we're fine thanks but I can see Surrey throwing the chequebook at it.
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Obviously the talent just isn’t there so teams have to buy it in. When is the last time we produced a class bowler like morkel here ? (Aka not a white ball bowler)
Its a double edged sword that one Adie. You think the talent is not there, so you buy a foreign player in, which stops your talented youngsters developing, which means you have none when you next need one, so you buy another foreigner in...
To give one example of how young players can surprise you, it took England nicking half our squad and the other half being injured for Yorkshire to give Ben Coad a run in the ones last summer - and look what he managed! There is always abit of an argument that you can buy in experience and learning - and if it were just the odd body then I'd live with that - but it worries me when sides have more or less half their first XI bought in in this way.
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What have Surrey got? Tom Curran, Sam Curran, Meaker, Dernbach, Pillans, Dunn, McKerr plus Clarke and Marsh as all rounders? Its a decent squad of seamers (9) but possibly a bit light on quality - a county with less money and less of a buy success mentality might say, nah, we're fine thanks but I can see Surrey throwing the chequebook at it.
Too many unknown quantities in that list. I.e We dont know how fit Meaker and Dunn will be, how available the Currans will be. How many games Clarke can realistically play given his age. Then you are relying on Dernbach, Marsh and some inexperienced bowlers.
I think he could really have the Sanga affect on our younger bowlers as well as being the top drawer consistent wicket taker we've lacked for a good number of years.
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Hampshire - Not enough money left after all their recent signings, who must be on decent money!
Although I doubt he'll be coming here I'm not sure if we're that short on money for wages. Compared to last season we've had Northeast in who will be on a fair bit but we've taken Carberry, Bailey and Will Smith off the wages who were all very experienced and must've been on a decent amount. Then there's Topley's limited overs only contract which will presumably be slightly less and I doubt we're re-signing Afridi for t20s this year.
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Somerset have signed Corey Anderson for the blast this year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43226517 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43226517)
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Hampshire have signed Hashim Amla for the first 3 months of the season.
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Hampshire have signed Hashim Amla for the first 3 months of the season.
That's a good signing for Hampshire but I do remember he had a stint with Derbyshire a few years ago and he didn't do that well.
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Hampshire have signed Hashim Amla for the first 3 months of the season.
also what going to happen to Weatherley and Alsop
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Hampshire have signed Hashim Amla for the first 3 months of the season.
With morkel, AB going.... maybe Amla will become. Ore permenant ?? Tbf, having those players in the championship would be great.. better than the likes of topley, hales, rashid, Stevens etc
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Hampshire seem to be the happening County at the moment, Northeast ain't even had a net yet and he's called up by England, now Amla is going there!
I think more and more SA players will look to come here, their test side is getting weaker
And whether it is good for the Championship to have so many kolpaks/EU players is a moot point RPC.
If you believe championship cricket is there to produce test players we could be heading for something very different.
We might be seeing the decline of Test cricket starting to gather pace.
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I fear so.
Here there is interest, albeit interest that may not always be about the cricket. But elsewhere, odd days are well attended but games are not as a matter of routine.
Unless the ICC act to protect the long form, it'll be limited to the Ashes within my lifetime.
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I think test cricket is in serious danger now. I think @ppccopener is right. Probably for another thread though
The only bonus to these agreements is raising the standard of county cricket. With English guys opting out the gap between county and international cricket could grow so back filling them with high quality ex internationals should be good for younger players develoment.
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Reading between the lines, could the Amla deal develop into something similar to what Hampshire had with McKenzie?
It may be wishful thinking but some of the wording made me think there could be the prospect of something more long term
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I fear so.
Here there is interest, albeit interest that may not always be about the cricket. But elsewhere, odd days are well attended but games are not as a matter of routine.
Unless the ICC act to protect the long form, it'll be limited to the Ashes within my lifetime.
The Stumped podcast revisit this frequently and there has been some interesting suggestions for reviving test cricket and making it more appealing - everything from more sponsorship and 'sexiness' input a la t20/ODIs to reducing the number of overs bowled per day. I've always found they balance suggestions quite nicely to give both sides of the argument and it seems like there's plenty of ideas floating round. I'd be gutted if it were to just be limited to Ashes cricket.
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The Stumped podcast revisit this frequently and there has been some interesting suggestions for reviving test cricket and making it more appealing - everything from more sponsorship and 'sexiness' input a la t20/ODIs to reducing the number of overs bowled per day. I've always found they balance suggestions quite nicely to give both sides of the argument and it seems like there's plenty of ideas floating round. I'd be gutted if it were to just be limited to Ashes cricket.
Too many voices in cricket worry about changing the game - what's wrong with test cricket? Day/night isn't a bad idea as it doesn't fundamentally change the game, but it doesn't need messing with, just promoting properly. You can't change the fact that it's a multi day game so don't worry about that, but it needs context and promoting properly. There's a reason the Ashes is the biggest series! Too many piss poor pitches, lousy coverage and no end goal other than the slightly meaningless no1 ranking. Sort those and the game would instantly be better for it.
Oh, and kill off ODIs and use the time gained to schedule the international game properly in tests and t20s.
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That's what a lot of the people on the podcast say - it's not broken in terms of the format, just needs better promoting in a T20/ODI world. That and the fact that players can earn several times more plying their trade in the IPL/BBL for a couple of months instead of wanting to play top-level red ball cricket.
I'm definitely with you on the ODI front though - they clog up the calendar too much.
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Notts were due to announce a signing at 10am
Blanked out picture resembling Ross Taylor was used to announce the announcement
Ross Taylor got injured and now announcement is cancelled!
Not saying it was Taylor to be announced but all seems a little obvious and his injury could well be worse than first though!
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Leicestershire have signed Nabi as their 2nd overseas player for the Blast this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43315143 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43315143)
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Kent have signed Heino Kuhn on a Kolpak deal. Am I right in thinking that this is the first signing they've made this winter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43322192 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43322192)
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*facepalm*
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Notts were due to announce a signing at 10am
Blanked out picture resembling Ross Taylor was used to announce the announcement
Ross Taylor got injured and now announcement is cancelled!
Not saying it was Taylor to be announced but all seems a little obvious and his injury could well be worse than first though!
Toss Taylor does in fact join Notts
Overseas for first half of season!
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Toss Taylor does in fact join Notts
Overseas for first half of season!
Take it you're not a fan of his then?
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Great signing given his ODI form - unless his injury will mean he barely features! I think Yorkshire had the same problem with Williamson a couple of years ago where he played a couple of matches then got injured.
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Take it you're not a fan of his then?
Yeah harsh on toss Taylor
I think he is class myself !
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Take it you're not a fan of his then?
I’m delighted but would prefer him all year!
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I’m delighted but would prefer him all year!
With the amount of cricket played it's very hard to get an overseas player for the whole year. He's going to CPL this year as well.
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Yorkshire have played a blinder this season - getting Pujara for the first half of the season and Williamson for the second.
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Good news for Derbyshire, both John Wright and Dominic Cork will be returning for the Blast. John Wright was a success getting them to quarter finals, so they'll be hoping to get to Finals Day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43389202 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43389202)
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Kent have signed Kiwi quickie Matt Henry
https://twitter.com/kentcricket/status/973951716981968897?s=19
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Just seen Sidebottom's gone to Surrey as a bowling coach. Great signing for them but it's a shame Yorkshire have lost such an experienced player in the team.
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Difficult as they have Pyrah in as bowling coach. But yes, annoying that Sid has temporarily joined the ranks of Silvers, Mags, Dawson, Fisher, Dizzy et al coaching elsewhere...
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Kent have signed Milne for the t20.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket)
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Difficult as they have Pyrah in as bowling coach. But yes, annoying that Sid has temporarily joined the ranks of Silvers, Mags, Dawson, Fisher, Dizzy et al coaching elsewhere...
Sidebottom or Pyrah, hmm I know who I'd prefer
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Kent have signed Milne for the t20.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket[/url])
And stoinis
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Sidebottom or Pyrah, hmm I know who I'd prefer
A good player doesn't always make a good coach, as Sidey Sr proved, and they can hardly be expected to sack Pyrah as hoc can they?
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Ashton Agar going to Middlesex for the Blast
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43470877 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43470877)
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Lots of articles/talk coming out today from both here and India that Kohli will skip India duty to sign for Surrey for a month to acclimatise to English conditions.
We really don't help ourselves do we!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/)
https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true (https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true)
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Surrey in June? Of course it is. I propose a new rule - wouldn't want to be too restrictive, so overseas stars are completely free to come play county cricket... with two caveats: must be in April/May, and in Div 2. I want to see Kohli, Smith, Warner etc. looking wildly confused as they're confronted by Darren Stevens on a damp green seamer.
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Lots of articles/talk coming out today from both here and India that Kohli will skip India duty to sign for Surrey for a month to acclimatise to English conditions.
We really don't help ourselves do we!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/)
https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true (https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true)
Surrey would jump at the chance of getting Kohli but as far as I was aware they signed Mitch Marsh for the whole season.
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Would be a massive boost to any county to have Kohli. I’d imagine crowds would suddenly pick up at the chance to see one of the best
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Surrey in June? Of course it is. I propose a new rule - wouldn't want to be too restrictive, so overseas stars are completely free to come play county cricket... with two caveats: must be in April/May, and in Div 2. I want to see Kohli, Smith, Warner etc. looking wildly confused as they're confronted by Darren Stevens on a damp green seamer.
Love it. The kind of pitches that two years back made Jesse Ryder look like FS Trueman!
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Somerset might be in the market for a new overseas....
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haha yes quite. Plenty of dust to tape up at Ciderabad mind...
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Leicestershire have signed Varun Aaron for the county championship and the 50 over comp.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918031/varun-aaron-signs-county-deal-leicestershire-early-summer (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22918031/varun-aaron-signs-county-deal-leicestershire-early-summer)
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Lots of articles/talk coming out today from both here and India that Kohli will skip India duty to sign for Surrey for a month to acclimatise to English conditions.
We really don't help ourselves do we!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/03/24/surrey-keen-sign-india-captain-virat-kohli-ahead-tour-england/)
https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true (https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/news/england-on-mind-virat-kohli-to-skip-afghan-test-for-surrey-stint/amp_articleshow/63438615.cms?__twitter_impression=true)
I saw on CricInfo that the BCCI had given him leave to miss a test match in order to play county cricket in England - so they must be serious!
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If I lived in the area I'd definitely go and watch Kohli in a few games. One of the greats!
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If he did come to us the 'home' game is at Guildford where we always lose. Not sure what he gains from that. Ah.
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I saw on CricInfo that the BCCI had given him leave to miss a test match in order to play county cricket in England - so they must be serious!
Amazing they are so keen to beat the 5th ranked side that they would let him miss a test to get used to conditions before a test series here.
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I'm guessing that it's because he was so poor in the last tour India had in England, he won't want to fail here again.
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Why just Kohli thought, I know he's the chosen spoilt one, but don't they all need to get used to conditions?
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Pujara's at Yorkshire and I think a couple of the other players have county contracts, I just think Kohli is the 'star' player so if he plays over here and performs well in the test matches, he will lift the squad.
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Pujara at Yorkshire
Aaron at Leicestershire
Ishant at Sussex
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Pujara at Yorkshire
Aaron at Leicestershire
Ishant at Sussex
Yep was aware of those 3, just surprised not more batsmen
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Yep was aware of those 3, just surprised not more batsmen
They've got a series with Afghanistan but also a lot of counties have filled their overseas players.
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Pujara, Aaron and Ishant weren’t selected for IPL so they either played county cricket or sit at home
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Worcestershire have Guptill and Callum Ferguson for the Blast this year. Great signing for Worcestershire getting Guptill even if it's for about half the games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43571569 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43571569)
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Worcestershire have Guptill and Callum Ferguson for the Blast this year. Great signing for Worcestershire getting Guptill even if it's for about half the games.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43571569[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43571569[/url])
Guptill is a great signing, however I've got to say that Ferguson is very underwhelming.
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When I read it was "Ferguson" I just assumed it would be Lockie. Callum?! FFS
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He's still going?
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bancroft will not join somerset, they're looking for a replacement
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Was Bancroft supposed to be there for the whole season or part of it?
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Was Bancroft supposed to be there for the whole season or part of it?
signed for the championship and one day cup
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South Africa veteran Dale Steyn says he's joining Hampshire
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South Africa veteran Dale Steyn says he's joining Hampshire
YES! Fingers crossed for that!! :D
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South Africa veteran Dale Steyn says he's joining Hampshire
Great signing for Hampshire
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South Africa veteran Dale Steyn says he's joining Hampshire
Great signing for county cricket
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Big Morne off to Surrey on a Kolpak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
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Big Morne off to Surrey on a Kolpak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Big signing for Surrey. It will lessen the blow as from that article it looks like Tom Curran's going to the IPL.
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Delighted with Morkel, we might actually take 20 wickets now
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Side strain...
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Middlesex sign Hilton Cartwright.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22999316/hilton-cartwright-signs-middlesex (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22999316/hilton-cartwright-signs-middlesex)
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Mitch Marsh to have ankle surgery. He may come back later in the summer. Massive blow for Surrey. Only a couple of weeks before the start of the County Championship.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43639904 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43639904)
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Ummmmmm...... 'could still play for them later in the season'...... not if a certain Mr. Kohli is there he won't be.
Leaves it nicely open to negotiate a new overseas for 1st half of the season.
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Steyn signs for Hampshire as oversees!
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Phil mustard leaves Gloucestershire too
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Axar Patel signs for Durham for the last 6 games of the season once Latham has left.
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Think Axxar is a really cool signing, is he available to play in the blast?
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Morkel has signed for Surrey on a two year deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43715569 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43715569)
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Absolutely delighted, a bloke still on top of his game. Might get 20 wickets now!
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Big Morne off to Surrey on a Kolpak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/01/south-africa-fast-bowler-morne-morkel-join-surrey-kolpak-contract/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
worst kept secret in county cricket finally confirmed.
he is going to take a hat full of wickets and as a bonus he's a kolpak!
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Morkel has signed for Surrey on a two year deal.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43715569[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43715569[/url])
Cha-Ching!
Surrey swing that chequebook with aplomb don't they!
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Elgar's in for the first two month, delighted http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43742366 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43742366)
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Elgar's in for the first two month, delighted [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43742366[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43742366[/url])
Great signing.
What do we think about the possibility of after Elgars 2 months, Kohli arriving? Kind of perfect timing wouldn't you say?
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Works out rather nicely as far as I'm concerned. On paper right now, God this team looks absolutely stacked.
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Works out rather nicely as far as I'm concerned. On paper right now, God this team looks absolutely stacked.
You've been able to say that about Surrey for a while though wouldn't you say? And even then we still seem to not do as well as the team would suggest on paper. Not just in the championship but in the shorter forms too.
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You've been able to say that about Surrey for a while though wouldn't you say? And even then we still seem to not do as well as the team would suggest on paper. Not just in the championship but in the shorter forms too.
Depends. Last year was looking good after the first game, then Ansari retired, then Footitt got homesick, hardly helped. Runs weren't the issue last year, taking 20 wickets and not knocking tails over was the big letdown. Morkel's the gamechanger with that one I feel
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Matt Renshaw is joining somerset for the 2018 season
He's replaces Bancroft in the test side and now at somerset!
looking forward to seeing how he gets on over here
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Matt Renshaw is joining somerset for the 2018 season
He's replaces Bancroft in the test side and now at somerset!
looking forward to seeing how he gets on over here
Class signing!!
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Depends. Last year was looking good after the first game, then Ansari retired, then Footitt got homesick, hardly helped. Runs weren't the issue last year, taking 20 wickets and not knocking tails over was the big letdown. Morkel's the gamechanger with that one I feel
Very true. The batting was very good it was always threat with the ball we need. Morkel was looking brilliant at the end of the Aus series. Would not want to bat against him on the pitches that are going to be prepared early season. I think it’ll be interesting to see how they fit in some of the younger players like Pope, Jacks and Patel who all look very promising.
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Usman Khawaja has joined Glamorgan for the T20 blast.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43807995 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43807995)
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Wahab Riaz joins Derbyshire for the blast and Mark Footitt has also joined them on loan for a month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43973528 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43973528)
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http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12154/11355839/windies-star-carlos-brathwaite-joins-kent-spitfires-for-vitality-blast (http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12154/11355839/windies-star-carlos-brathwaite-joins-kent-spitfires-for-vitality-blast)
Brathwaite to Kent for first 4 games of the blast
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Mark Footitt returns to Derby on 28 day loan
Excellent social media announcmemt from Derby too
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[url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12154/11355839/windies-star-carlos-brathwaite-joins-kent-spitfires-for-vitality-blast[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12154/11355839/windies-star-carlos-brathwaite-joins-kent-spitfires-for-vitality-blast[/url])
Brathwaite to Kent for first 4 games of the blast
I really hate this 'drop in' thing.
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I really hate this 'drop in' thing.
Yeah, as if franchises aren't bad enough, these really are guns for hire
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We want our count
ry back...
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Brexit Means Brexit Cricket
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Brexit Means Brexit Cricket
No, don't get than one. Explain?
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Kohli going to Surrey for a month.
https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/virat-kohli-joins-surrey-for-june/ (https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/virat-kohli-joins-surrey-for-june/)
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GET IN
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They're going to have to go and get another gold plated chequebook at this rate!
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They're going to have to go and get another gold plated chequebook at this rate!
We are just giving back to county cricket. Kent are already using it to flog One day season tickets and Yorkshire are using it to promote the Scarborough game. :D
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Best player in the world playing county cricket for a month? I thought the CC was dying!
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Best player in the world playing county cricket for a month? I thought the CC was dying!
It's the 'for a month' bit I don't like.
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Box office signing - can imagine a fair few flocking down to see the best odi player to play the game
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We are just giving back to county cricket. Kent are already using it to flog One day season tickets and Yorkshire are using it to promote the Scarborough game. :D
What, the best attended first class game in the world? I think they're just offering up the chance to take the proverbial....
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...I miss playing at Scarborough :(
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Dwayne Bravo signs for Middlesex for the Blast, first game 5 July vs Surrey!
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Dwayne Bravo signs for Middlesex for the Blast, first game 5 July vs Surrey!
Is Dan Vettori going to be coaching Middlesex this year?
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Not sure but I worry for their chances if he is :D
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Can't believe the BBC have got Ollie Pope and Amar Virdi as options in their Test Team Selector thing!
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Can't believe the BBC have got Ollie Pope and Amar Virdi as options in their Test Team Selector thing!
Leading wicket taker for spinners in Div 1 and 3rd highest English qualified run scorer in Div 1 ;)
Pope a more realistic pick than Westley, but yeah neither will be picked for England just yet
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Leading wicket taker for spinners in Div 1 and 3rd highest English qualified run scorer in Div 1 ;)
Pope a more realistic pick than Westley, but yeah neither will be picked for England just yet
After four games. They've both played about six or seven first-class games total.
Trust me, Ollie Pope is not on the verge of an England call-up.
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I can't believe Dom Bess isn't up for consideration.
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Me either, save that Pakistan don't have many lefties for him to exploit.
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After four games. They've both played about six or seven first-class games total.
Trust me, Ollie Pope is not on the verge of an England call-up.
Who said he was? Just coming up with a reason as to why he’s on the list.
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I can't believe Dom Bess isn't up for consideration.
It won't help his cause that he's only bowled nine overs so far this season.
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After four games. They've both played about six or seven first-class games total.
Trust me, Ollie Pope is not on the verge of an England call-up.
I think it is probably more likely that Pope is called up into the white ball squads before the test squad. (not to say that will happen soon either). But both him and Virdi are certainly ones to watch for the future
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Without sending the Yorkshire contingent into meltdown is anyone reading into Bairstow opening in the last match as a possible position for England?
Foakes has started the season well for Essex and has a healthy FC average, he is no mug with the bat.
Am I seeing something that is not there maybe? :)
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He's done it once...
...then again, he averages 50+ and has a 100% record overturning impossible situations. 😂
Realistically, no. He might move up to six or, if Foakes keeps, five but no more. As good as he is, his attitude is not a natural openers.
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Foakes has started the season well for Essex and has a healthy FC average, he is no mug with the bat.
Am I seeing something that is not there maybe? :)
Yes, you are seeing Foakes playing for Essex rather than Surrey. ;)
Seriously though, I think if there is any significant change it is likely to involve Foakes. He is close to be being next in line as a batsman alone.
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This might scare a few people on here. Apparently, The Times has suggested Vince is being considered as an opener.
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Hahahah hahahah hahahah! Bonk.
I have laughed my head off.
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Well, if the role of an opener is tocream three boundaries then nick off...
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Well, if the role of an opener is tocream three boundaries then nick off...
Isn't it?
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This thread seems to have gone off on a tangent. The usual one. I admit I am partly to blame. :o
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Isn't it?
Well, we seem to have had a lot of guys do that...
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getting back on topic:
Derbyshire have signed Scotland seamer Safyaaan Sharif on a for t20 and one day cup
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getting back on topic:
Derbyshire have signed Scotland seamer Safyaaan Sharif on a for t20 and one day cup
Intrigued to see this lad on Thursday at Warks
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Intrigued to see this lad on Thursday at Warks
i was impressed with him in the world cup qualifiers
hopefully he gets a chance
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He's a good bowler and a useful bat, always a bit surprised he never got a full time county deal when younger.
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Hampshire sign Mujeeb and Munro for the Blast. Two very good signing for Hampshire.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23530468/hampshire-trust-mujeeb-bring-blast-campaign-life (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23530468/hampshire-trust-mujeeb-bring-blast-campaign-life)
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Kohli's stint at Surrey is off.
Virat Kohli: India captain's Surrey move off because of neck injury - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44237134 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44237134)
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Massive blow for Surrey - I’m sure they’ve sold a lot of tickets already though
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I read somewhere Kohli suffered a slip disc and was doubtful for the Test series
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Notts sign de kock
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And we have Elgar back for the last 5 games of the County Champ run in. Delighted.
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Durham sign Tahir for the Blast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44656271 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44656271)
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This is absolutely mental....... a 1 match loan.
@Manormanic can you shine any light on this? surely Rafiq or Carver could have played?
https://yorkshireccc.com/news/view/6850/poysden-joins-white-rose-on-loan
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Very good bowler! I'd like to see us give him more of a chance. When he winters down in OZ he get's stacks of wickets and is very thought of. Just a shame our overseas in Jeets is unbelievable.
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This is absolutely mental....... a 1 match loan.
@Manormanic can you shine any light on this? surely Rafiq or Carver could have played?
https://yorkshireccc.com/news/view/6850/poysden-joins-white-rose-on-loan
Rafiq, it would appear, is seen as a white ball bowler. Which is fair enough - he is decent when the batsmen have to make the game but struggles to take a wicket otherwise. Carver, though, has an argument - personally I don't think is quite of the standard, but he has never really been given a proper change to prove or disprove that theory. Reading between the lines, I wonder if this is a de facto trial, as the article refers to Poysden's contract being up and him not being happy playing second fiddle?
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Rafiq, it would appear, is seen as a white ball bowler. Which is fair enough - he is decent when the batsmen have to make the game but struggles to take a wicket otherwise. Carver, though, has an argument - personally I don't think is quite of the standard, but he has never really been given a proper change to prove or disprove that theory. Reading between the lines, I wonder if this is a de facto trial, as the article refers to Poysden's contract being up and him not being happy playing second fiddle?
Yep you could be right he could be being lined up as a replacement for Rashid (in red ball cricket).
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Yep you could be right he could be being lined up as a replacement for Rashid (in red ball cricket).
Quite. Some fans think he's trying to improve his position with Warwickshire but I don't think I buy that view.
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Now that the English white ball summer is over, will we see the likes if Rashid and Hales play some red ball cricket?
Hales especially needs time in the middle.
Surely bowling for Yorkshire would be good for Rashid.
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Not more likely that they bugger off to play in the Tajikistani premier league or suchlike?
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Now that the English white ball summer is over, will we see the likes if Rashid and Hales play some red ball cricket?
Hales especially needs time in the middle.
Surely bowling for Yorkshire would be good for Rashid.
In theory yes. In practice, the ECB has whispered.
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I can't understand how the ECB invested so much time in developing a player of Moeen Ali's limited bowling ability whilst ignoring a far more talented bowler in Rashid. He has turned himself into one of England's best ever limited overs soon bowlers but he should have been a fixture in the test side, not giving up on red ball cricket all together
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I can't understand how the ECB invested so much time in developing a player of Moeen Ali's limited bowling ability whilst ignoring a far more talented bowler in Rashid. He has turned himself into one of England's best ever limited overs soon bowlers but he should have been a fixture in the test side, not giving up on red ball cricket all together
I think with Rashid giving up red ball cricket the penny's finally dropped that maybe he genuinely can't really be bothered with it, which could have something to do with him not doing as well in tests!
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Now that the English white ball summer is over, will we see the likes if Rashid and Hales play some red ball cricket?
Hales especially needs time in the middle.
Surely bowling for Yorkshire would be good for Rashid.
All they need is a couple of red ball games to be available for test matches Rashid as shown in white ball England need him to play he's a wicket taker after all who's the other frontline spinner besides Ali to turn it for England.
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I think with Rashid giving up red ball cricket the penny's finally dropped that maybe he genuinely can't really be bothered with it, which could have something to do with him not doing as well in tests!
I think it is difficult to say that he hasn't done well in test cricket when he has never had a proper run in the side. If he had played 50 tests like Moeen Ali and was averaging 40 with the ball then it would be fair to say that he failed to make the grade
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All they need is a couple of red ball games to be available for test matches Rashid as shown in white ball England need him to play he's a wicket taker after all who's the other frontline spinner besides Ali to turn it for England.
We've tried Rashid as a Test player and he proved ineffective in the longer format though.
It's all well and good picking up a few poles in a white ball game where the batsman have to go after you, but in Test matches batsman can afford to wait and hit the bad balls (of which Rashid bowls a fair few) without the pressure of needing to go after him from the get go.
Considering he's played 10 Tests (in spin friendly conditions) his average of 42 likely reflects fairly on him.
As for other frontline spinners:
Jack Leach?
Dom Bess?
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English County Transfers = England Team Selection. I should have known.
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We've tried Rashid as a Test player and he proved ineffective in the longer format though.
It's all well and good picking up a few poles in a white ball game where the batsman have to go after you, but in Test matches batsman can afford to wait and hit the bad balls (of which Rashid bowls a fair few) without the pressure of needing to go after him from the get go.
Considering he's played 10 Tests (in spin friendly conditions) his average of 42 likely reflects fairly on him.
As for other frontline spinners:
Jack Leach?
Dom Bess?
Yes Rashid like most spinners can go for a few but he's also a wicket taker in tests would rather have him take 3 for 89 than a 0 for 40 end blocker.
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Look at Rashid Khan’s figures for Afg in his first test!
It’s all well and good taking wickets when batsmen are coming at you trying to score it’s completely different having to earn your wickets!
Adil Rashid is a fantastic bowler when teams have to attack! When they don’t he is bang average!
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I don't think that anyone would argue that Rashid should have been given a run as England's first choice spinner if Graeme Swann was around and bowling at his peak. The question is why he hasn't had more of an opportunity given that his career has coincided with England picking Moeen Ali as the first choice spinner in 50 test matches.
It isn't that Rashid has bowled so well in the 10 caps he has got that he should have been given an extended run in the side. It is that if England has invested the time in him that has been afforded to Ali the I feel the returns would have been far greater
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Tricky isn't it.
Rashid has bundles of talent, and his test record is good enough that he could legitimately argue that he deserves a run in the team, and in most circumstances I would be arguing that he needed time etc.
But...there is something reductive about his attitude
I wonder to what extent he lacks the confidence to take the path less traveled. Does he like an easy life? He is certainly the only Yorkshire cricketer I have ever heard of who wanted to rest through a championship game!
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wayne parnell seems likely to join worcestershire. possibly in early august. since they lose guptill and head at the end of the month
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Plunkett to join Surrey on a 3 year deal at the end of the current season. Really don't understand it, he's a great player but we have loads of bowling options
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Pillans in the opposite direction I heard.
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Pillans in the opposite direction I heard.
That's massively disappointing if true, been great so far in the T20 stuff
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Plunkett to join Surrey on a 3 year deal at the end of the current season. Really don't understand it, he's a great player but we have loads of bowling options
No, I don't understand this either - its a bad old Surrey move, when you've done so well in the last couple of years playing more young, homegrown talent. Though its not like he's been poached - Yorkshire weren't offering him anything - and he should have an England central deal so will not be overly expensive.
Martyn Moxon's comments are interesting:
“We are trying to assemble a squad that has availability and is within our budget to compete in all three domestic competitions. With that in mind we are not in a position to be able to offer Liam a new contract.
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A county in Yorkshires position with players involved in all formats of international cricket will always struggle to play to their potential as they can never nail down a settled side. I wouldn't have thought that Plunkett was a big wage earner given that he moved to Yorkshire having been unable to get a game at Durham so I assume that it is the lack of availability that is the issue.
For what its worth, I would still have Plunkett as an option in test cricket. Our attack over the winter would have looked far more threatening had Plunkett played ahead of the likes of Curran, Overton or Woakes
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Rashid to anywhere else that isn't Yorkshire?
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Agreed, hard to see Rashid turning out for Yorkshire again
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Rashid to anywhere else that isn't Yorkshire?
That'll be nailed on should he decide he still wants to play test cricket next year. With it being an Ashes year I'd bet my salary on Rashid being with a different county for 2019 (cue the opening of Surrey's cheque book).
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He'll go to Worcs
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He'll go to Worcs
I've heard this. Also Lancashire, curiously enough.
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That'll be nailed on should he decide he still wants to play test cricket next year. With it being an Ashes year I'd bet my salary on Rashid being with a different county for 2019 (cue the opening of Surrey's cheque book).
Nah we’ve grown out of our phase of signing idiots. Weve got a great dressing room atmosphere and ethic no way would Stewie risk it by signing Rashid
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I would prefer the game time going to Matt Parkinson rather than signing a player who is likely to have limited availability due to international commitments
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Jeetan Patel can't have many more miles left on the clock. Warks to sign him?
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He'll go to Worcs
Bloody hope not, no room for another spinner behind the beard that's feared :D
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It's interesting who would actually sign him, because i don't see when he would actually play a game for you anyway! If Rashid nails down a place in the England side and therefore needs a red ball contract etc.... he will be playing all 3 formats, below are the England fixtures for 2019.
Whole of May - ODI's vs Ireland and Pakistan
World Cup straight after till Mid July
Ireland Test 25th July
Ashes 1st August - September 16th
This season there were 2 CC games in April and the final game starts 24th September
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Word is he wants to play with his mate Moeen at New Road. chances are tonight will be his last home game for the mighty Rose.
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Alex lees joins Durham on a 3 year deal
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Probably a good move for him given how alarmingly he has dropped off in the last 18 months
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And since Durham, post obliteration, lost a shed load of good players it's a good move for them also.
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He's been stuck in a horrific rut for the last two years - might have been due to being overlooked for the captaincy when Gale retired. Its a move that suits all parties involved.
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Shame to see him go because he's had some brilliant moments for Yorks but his average the past couple of seasons has been terrible.
Good move for Durham, especially in their current situation.
Be interested to see who Yorks bring in - they need to sign somebody.
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Be interested to see who Yorks bring in - they need to sign somebody.
Batting wise, probably not so much - it'd be a nice to have rather than a must have. A spinner and a quick are the must haves.
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Shame to see him go because he's had some brilliant moments for Yorks but his average the past couple of seasons has been terrible.
Good move for Durham, especially in their current situation.
Be interested to see who Yorks bring in - they need to sign somebody.
Yorks are favourite to sign Ben Duckett so I guess he will replace Lees opening the batting.
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Yorks are favourite to sign Ben Duckett so I guess he will replace Lees opening the batting.
I don’t think Lees has actually been playing has he?
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I don't think he's played much this season but he's had poor form.
If Brooks goes to Somerset we'll be in real trouble.
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Lees has played when we've had injuries, but has done nowt. At this point, he's behind not only our first choice line up - Lyth, Brook, Root, Williamson, YJB, Ballance - but also Leaning, TKC, Tattersall and possibly even a couple more.
Brooks is a tricky one - he hasn't always been consistent the last 18 months, but he is occasionally a dangerous strike bowler and takes some of the burden off Ben Coad. We still have Patterson, Bresnan, Fisher, Willey, Thompson, Shaw and Warner mind.
Biggest issue is the lack of a spinner. Its no shock that the two years we won the Championship we had top results from Rashid and Middlebrook.
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Batting wise, probably not so much - it'd be a nice to have rather than a must have. A spinner and a quick are the must haves.
I heard a rumour around the time when Plunkett signed for Surrey that Yorkshire were interested in signing Matt Pillans
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Biggest issue is the lack of a spinner. Its no shock that the two years we won the Championship we had top results from Rashid and Middlebrook.
You should sign Monty then - he's written to every county. I'm sure he'd fit right in at your place.
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I heard a rumour around the time when Plunkett signed for Surrey that Yorkshire were interested in signing Matt Pillans
There are a lot of rumours around the club at the moment. Pillans, Poysden, Duckett, about half the Worcestershire team...
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You should sign Monty then - he's written to every county. I'm sure he'd fit right in at your place.
Actually, I wouldn't have minded that in the slightest. I can see Gale being the kind of bloke to get something out of him.
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Liam Norwell from Glos to Warks not getting any attention on here - very good signing that and a big loss for Gloucestershire.
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Josh Poysden to Yorkshire's been confirmed this morning.
Like for like replacement for Rash - he was pretty tight last night too in the Blast. Should be a good signing.
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That will be the end of Rashid then, I doubt either side will be too disappointed
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That will be the end of Rashid then, I doubt either side will be too disappointed
Not necessarily - he was in talks earlier this week and if he is to have a serious Test career we'd need two.
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ill eat my bat if Rash is at Yorkshire next year, he clearly wants away from the place
the handle is broken on my bat anyway so an excuse to get another one if im wrong :)
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We're signing Clark from Lancs, then
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Notts sign West Indies batsman Kraigg Brathwaite for rest of Championship season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45198842 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45198842)
Not the greatest replacement for QdK
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Rash off to Worcester
Pillans to Yorkshire
Jordan Clarke to Surrey
Gleeson going somewhere...!
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With all of this going on what does everyone think of the talk of a County Cricket Transfer Window and/or Transfer Fees for players??
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Rash off to Worcester
Pillans to Yorkshire
Jordan Clarke to Surrey
Gleeson going somewhere...!
Rash will be in his happy place
Yorks must see some potential in Pillans
Do Surrey actually need Clark?
I thought Gleeson looked the nuts pre-season, but i think he's had injuries - i think he'd be a good addition for most counties.
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Northants appear to in the bargain basement at the moment.
They have signed the third Curran (Ben, middle brother, top batter, bowls some offices) and "exciting" 21-year-old Zimbabwe quick Blessing Muzarabani.
With Sam playing for England and Rikki Clarke being 37 having a useful county alrounder for all formats will be good. I hope Jordan does really well.
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You mean '2 Meter Muzarabani'?
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With all of this going on what does everyone think of the talk of a County Cricket Transfer Window and/or Transfer Fees for players??
I hope we don't get to the stage of transfer fees
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See Bancroft to Durham next year - great signing for them. Could be very interesting.
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See Bancroft to Durham next year - great signing for them. Could be very interesting.
Seems like Durham are making quite a serious push to get back to Div 1.
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Yorkshire have brought in NZ opener Jeet Raval in too for the rest of the County Champ season to cover for Williamson.
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Yorkshire poaching Surrey's Matt Pillans confirmed today. Clearly another example if a wealthy county with a test ground buying players.
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Ben slater leaves home club (derby) to join Notts
Played with him at youth level good player hope he can really push on and score heavily at Notts!
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Yorkshire poaching Surrey's Matt Pillans confirmed today. Clearly another example if a wealthy county with a test ground buying players.
To be fair Surrey signed Plunkett from Yorks so I reckon they've got the better deal.
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Yorkshire poaching Surrey's Matt Pillans confirmed today. Clearly another example if a wealthy county with a test ground buying players.
Poor Surrey. Never works the other way though? ;) :D
In fairness, having thought about it, Surrey only seem to get players in from other Test Grounds... Stoneman, Borthwick, Clarke (although that was a rebound), Clark, Plunkett. Never from the smaller counties, which is what Notts do (for example)
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Poor Surrey. Never works the other way though? ;) :D
In fairness, having thought about it, Surrey only seem to get players in from other Test Grounds... Stoneman, Borthwick, Clarke (although that was a rebound), Clark, Plunkett. Never from the smaller counties, which is what Notts do (for example)
Vikram Solanki and Steven Davies from my home county of Worcestershire just to name 2 disproves that theory. Surrey happy to poach talent from anywhere I think you'll actually find!
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I meant recently, sorry didn't make that clear.
Solanki was 2012 and Davies was back in 2009!
And they took Foakes from my beloved Essex. I've changed my mind. Damn them to hell!
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Seems like Durham are making quite a serious push to get back to Div 1.
Isn't that what they are supposed to do?
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Ben slater leaves home club (derby) to join Notts
Played with him at youth level good player hope he can really push on and score heavily at Notts!
Who told you this about 6 weeks ago??? 😁😏
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Who told you this about 6 weeks ago??? 😁😏
Haha! You....
Confirmed on Twitter today!!
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Yorkshire poaching Surrey's Matt Pillans confirmed today. Clearly another example if a wealthy county with a test ground buying players.
This is an odd one. He wasn't getting a game for Surrey, and you could argue he's at best seventh pick behind Coad, Fisher, Brooks, Patterson, Willey and Bresnan for Yorkshire. Yet...I'd say if Yorkshire and Slurrey are fighting over a player, he must be pretty decent...
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This is an odd one. He wasn't getting a game for Surrey, and you could argue he's at best seventh pick behind Coad, Fisher, Brooks, Patterson, Willey and Bresnan for Yorkshire. Yet...I'd say if Yorkshire and Slurrey are fighting over a player, he must be pretty decent...
OK T20 player, started well this year then suddenly all fell apart.
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Seems like nobody brought up Anuerin Donald going to Hampshire. Who's the moneybag county again?
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Seems like nobody brought up Anuerin Donald going to Hampshire. Who's the moneybag county again?
Surrey.
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Stealing other counties players, how dare they. Lets face it, Hants are the worst of the bunch.
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Stealing other counties players, how dare they. Lets face it, Hants are the worst of the bunch.
We've made as many signings from other counties in the last 2 years as Surrey have in the last month...
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Joe Clarke rumoured to be looking to move.
Does that mean to achieve his ambition of playing for England he also has to move to Surrey?
they are the wrong side of the river, what's wrong with Middlesex? :)
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We've made as many signings from other counties in the last 2 years as Surrey have in the last month...
Isn’t that because half the side isn’t england qualified?
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Jack Brooks is moving to Somerset.
Yorkshire clearly seeking to reduce the age of their bowling attack.
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Jack Brooks is moving to Somerset.
Probably only a CBFer would try to link his move with him being sponsored by M&H this season?
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Joe Clarke rumoured to be looking to move.
Does that mean to achieve his ambition of playing for England he also has to move to Surrey?
they are the wrong side of the river, what's wrong with Middlesex? :)
He wants to keep wicket at wherever he goes to...I've heard Notts is the likely destination. Still a test match ground...even if it is not in London!
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Maharaj to Lancs for the last 4 games.
Shame, unless they play 2 spinners, then he takes Parkinson's place. Not great for one of the best young spinners in the country.
For my money, he's miles ahead of Crane but gets nowhere near the same hype.
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He wants to keep wicket at wherever he goes to...I've heard Notts is the likely destination. Still a test match ground...even if it is not in London!
I was being flippant when I said Surrey(they buy everyone) :)
you would think having come thru Worcs all this time like some others he must think he needs to move to play test cricket.
im not sure that is actually true in reality but his goal has to be beyond County cricket. He is a talented lad.
a little surprised he has not been called up so far to the full squad.
Maybe move exposed might help, a more high profile County.....?
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Duckett has gone to Notts
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Duckett has gone to Notts
Wondered why I didn't seem him in the Northants team on Tuesday against Durham
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hope he stays out of Hooters bar
temptation all around
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And so it is another one goes..... Gleeson leaves for Lancashire.
I know why he's gone and I don't blame him for a second but we plucked him from relative obscurity and gave him the opportunity, at least we will get something for it, but I feel it isn't enough.
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Yeah, Gleeson is a Blackpool lad, so not surprised he's jumped at the chance to play for the red rose.
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Duckett has gone to Notts
interesting signing for us
if i recall doesn't he also keep? may push moores for the gloves although he has improved this year!
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Zak Chappel from Leicestershire to Notts.
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Duckett and Chappell heading north up the M1 to Notts.
I fully understand their moves and wish them well. Surely their should be some compensation for the clubs who spend the time producing these players, but don't reap the rewards of their best playing years.
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Bad state of affairs generally.
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Matt Milnes has come to Kent from Notts, good player?
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Have it on good authority that Joe Clarke to Notts and Will Fraine (Notts 2nds) off to Yorkshire on 3 year deal
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Joe Clarke signed for Notts (announced on insta)
@cricketbadger not heard about fraine but he did only sign this summer
Notts building a good young batting lineup
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Notts building a good young batting lineup
Made some very promising signings, does beg the question where are the young batsman coming through from their own ranks?
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Tough for worcs who tried to keep Clarke but it's his career and he must want to break into the test side..a move to a test ground prob his thinking the best way. He's def a potential test player
Is there any compensation for th County he came up thru the age groups, if not should there be is a question that should be asked
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I can see why the smaller counties would feel that they should be compensated for the loss of their best young players but, looking at the bigger picture, they are only able to keep going because of the money they receive from the ECB who in turn want the best players playing against each other in Divison 1 of the CC. In some cases, it is questionable what value the ECB gets for its investment, particularly when a side uses some of the money to bring in journey man Kolpaks but looking at it overall, the CC isn't financially sustainable in its own right so the best young players leaving in search of opportunities to play international cricket is the price to pay for the competition being bank rolled by the ECB
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Surely something has to be done for the smaller div 2 counties, otherwise they will just stop bothering and just sign more kolpaks.
Notts is a crazy situation, if you include Nash from Sussex last season, in 2 years they have signed a whole new batting order from div 2 pretty much.
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Very difficult, isn't it. Its one of the things that makes Kent's success this year heartening - Sam Billings being one of teh few promising young players on England's radar to elect to stay with their club rather than chasing a pay rise.
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This is the problem with promotion/relegation - people change club alot now in the Kent League, often for money (according to the rumour mill) - Minster on the Isle of Sheppey signed Fabian Cowdrey for 2018 as player coach and now it looks like Matt Coles is leaving my club to join them too. They have just come up from Div 3 of the Kent League and are obviously willing to spend ££ to see how far they can get - from what I gather their ground is horrible, so it's not the facilities attracting players.....
I'd rather see the county championship go back to just one league - get rid of promotion/relegation as one bad season can lead to you losing a few players a ruining the club. Kent have done well to keep Billings - however I'm sure the fact he's in the IPL and drinks carrying for England puts people off signing him as he misses a large chunk. But Kent have got a core of lads who have come through the age group system and have been given their chances. Matt Henry has been a revelation this season, along with the signing of Podmore.
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Rashid has signed an all formats contract with Yorkshire for the 2019 season.
Did anyone see that coming?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45622030 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45622030)
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all going smoothly in Yorkshire it seems, they made up :)
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It has been coming for a while - the two are stuck with one another. Yorkshire don't want to lose Rashid because of his pull with the South Asian community, especially in Bradford, and Rashid too feels that leaving would damage his standing there. Its noticeable that its a one year deal - with the amount of cricket England are playing next Summer, if he remains first choice he'll play maybe one Championship game and three T20s and if he doesn't, well, he can get out or go white ball only at the end of the year.
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This is all a bit of a marriage of convenience I think.
I doubt Rashid will be in the test team come the Ashes.
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Stuart Law confirmed as new Middlesex head coach, starting in January. Doing all formats so Daniel Vettori no longer t20 coach (thank goodness, somehow Middlesex got worse with him). Law is doing the Windies tours before the turn of the year, but looking forward to seeing him take on a young but talented squad with a big point to prove after two frankly abysmal years.
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This is the problem with promotion/relegation - people change club alot now in the Kent League, often for money (according to the rumour mill) - Minster on the Isle of Sheppey signed Fabian Cowdrey for 2018 as player coach and now it looks like Matt Coles is leaving my club to join them too. They have just come up from Div 3 of the Kent League and are obviously willing to spend ££ to see how far they can get - from what I gather their ground is horrible, so it's not the facilities attracting players.....
I'd rather see the county championship go back to just one league - get rid of promotion/relegation as one bad season can lead to you losing a few players a ruining the club. Kent have done well to keep Billings - however I'm sure the fact he's in the IPL and drinks carrying for England puts people off signing him as he misses a large chunk. But Kent have got a core of lads who have come through the age group system and have been given their chances. Matt Henry has been a revelation this season, along with the signing of Podmore.
Slightly off topic but clubs a number of divisions away from playing premier division cricket signing top club players for big money is one that does need to be addressed. The whole purpose of creating these was for the best players outside of the first class game to be playing against each other. Plus, you see time and time again clubs who come into some money, bring in a load of paid players do get them up the leagues but do nothing to improve their facilities. Suddenly the money dries up, the players find a pay day elsewhere and the club is left with a run down and struggling to get sides out
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I'm not sure Rashid would have been that great a signing for anyone.
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Could be I recall incorrectly, but didn't there use to be a limit on the number of players could sign when their current counties did not want them to go?
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Wow, you're showing your age there!!!!
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We're talking lat 90's here right, was sure i remembered something along those lines. Guess it's against some EU directive these days.
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We're talking lat 90's here right, was sure i remembered something along those lines. Guess it's against some EU directive these days.
Earlier than that even - I don't recall exactly but I reckon it was probably 96 when it was relaxed. It used to be that counties could only sign two category A players in a three year period - Category A being anyone in contract whose county had offered them a new deal.
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Keith barker set to leave Warks for Hampshire according to Twitter
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Murali Vijay seems to have bedded right in at Essex. Leading the batting averages at the moment.
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Barker confirmed to Hampshire.
This is all getting a bit silly from the test grounds now, isn't it?
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Barker confirmed to Hampshire.
This is all getting a bit silly from the test grounds now, isn't it?
Whats your point? He's just left a Test ground
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Whats your point? He's just left a Test ground
The constant trading.
Warks have brought in Norwell & Miles, as well as Sibley, Hose, Rhodes & Stone recently
Hants have brought in Northeast, Abbott, Donald & Barker
Surrey have brought in plenty, as have Notts, and Lancs brought in Jennings & Onions last year.
Just seems to be becoming a bigger divide between the haves and the have nots, is all, with no compensation for the clubs who have developed players.
Why develop your own players if you have enough money to lure in the best players from another county?
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The constant trading.
Warks have brought in Norwell & Miles, as well as Sibley, Hose, Rhodes & Stone recently
Hants have brought in Northeast, Abbott, Donald & Barker
Surrey have brought in plenty, as have Notts, and Lancs brought in Jennings & Onions last year.
Just seems to be becoming a bigger divide between the haves and the have nots, is all, with no compensation for the clubs who have developed players.
Why develop your own players if you have enough money to lure in the best players from another county?
I wonder how many home grown players the Test ground clubs will field int heir strongest sides next year (I'm including England players because recruiting to cover is more acceptable, and assuming only those players confirmed, so no overseas apart from Jeet Patel. So, accepting that moves before 18, even from overseas, and players returning to their home counties are "home grown", we have:
Yorkshire: Lyth, Brook, Root, Ballance, Kohler-Cadmore , Bairstow, Bresnan, Rashid, Fisher, Patterson, Coad (11)
Surrey: Stoneman, Burns, Borthwick, Roy, Pope, Foakes, Clark, S Curran, T Curran, Morkel, Virdi (6)
Hampshire: Wetherley, Soames, Vince, Northeast, Roussow, Alsop, Dawson, Abbott, Holland, Berg, Edwards (5)
Notts: Slater, Mullaney, Duckett, Clarke, Wessells, Patel, Moores, Chappell, Broad, Ball, Gurney (4)
Warwickshire: Sibley, Rhodes, Bell, Hain, Hose, Ambrose, J Patel, Norwell, Stone, Brookes, Hannon-Dalby (3)
And in D2:
Lancashire: Hameed, Davies, Jennings, Livingstone, Vilas, Bohannon, Buttler, Bailey, Gleeson, Onions, Parkinson (7)
Middlesex: Robson, Gubbins, Eskinazi, Malan, Holden, White, Harris, Roland-Jones, Rayner, Finn, Fuller (7)
Some numbers are deceptive - Surrey have some good home grown talent just outside their very best XI, and Middlesex have a lot of seamers (Helm, Bamber, Andersson) who are home grown and just outside the first XI. Others are really worrying.
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The main deception is that Yorkshire is a far larger county than the rest. A quick google suggest that the population is around 5 times that of Surrey and close to 10 times the size of Warwickshire.