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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: ProCricketer1982 on May 19, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
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So, only real meaning to this game is Cook getting 36 runs (32 to go) and being the youngest to 10,000 test match runs.. Well batted sir, especially as an opener.
Headingly looks empty!
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hang on Pro......SL beat us last time, right at the end when Jimmy got caught, so there's a chance to put that right.
Agreed Pakistan is the real test, their bowlers are going to cause us problems.
are you not interested to see how James Vince gets on?
:)
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Trying to eyeball Cook and Hales helmets grill gap when they chat between overs to see if Cook's got a special lid or not...
We should really be stuffing SL to be fair.
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Trying to eyeball Cook and Hales helmets grill gap when they chat between overs to see if Cook's got a special lid or not...
We should really be stuffing SL to be fair.
Especially now Prasad has gone home
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I say - what a cautious batsman this Hales fellow is.
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are you not interested to see how James Vince gets on?
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Not really, beating up a poor SL side isn't going to teach us anything about him, hales, Ali, Compton and co. Nah, only reason it won't be an easy 3-0 whitewash is the weather.
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hang on Pro......SL beat us last time, right at the end when Jimmy got caught, so there's a chance to put that right.
Agreed Pakistan is the real test, their bowlers are going to cause us problems.
are you not interested to see how James Vince gets on?
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Too right. Beat SL and Pakistan this summer and England then hold every trophy they play for in Test Matches.
Plus seeing how Hales/Compton/Vince get on and whether they are still there come the end of the summer.
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Too right. Beat SL and Pakistan this summer and England then hold every trophy they play for in Test Matches.
Plus seeing how Hales/Compton/Vince get on and whether they are still there come the end of the summer.
I expect England will give Vince an extended run. Compton i'm not sure about, I like him as a player and you need SOMEONE who can dig in a bit-our middle order all play aggressive.
Hales doesn't work for me,dont want to sound like a broken record but I cant think of an English opener who has played in one day style in tests in this Country. If he's not going to play naturally we might as well have Lyth back, or a proper opener at least, Robson maybe or someone else.
I feel for Hales, he is clearly trying to get in and get some runs, but this is not how he plays normally. I aint easy to slap bowling around at the top of the order....
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Absolute drivel from Botham regarding the helmets. Jesus.
RR of 1.86, God I've missed test cricket
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Absolute drivel from Botham regarding the helmets. Jesus.
Why is it drivel? His opinion is not more or less right than yours after all
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AC out, nick campton out for duck, J root time!
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Right let's see what issue Root has with batting at 3. Cos that's effectively what he's doing
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2 in the over, Compton out for a duck. Not a bad start on debut for the medium pacer.
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With all the gossip he wasn't going to make the squad before Titch was forced to retire, I can't help feel Compton's days in the side numbered (again)
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Campton look at the pitch right after he was out!
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Absolute drivel from Botham regarding the helmets. Jesus.
RR of 1.86, God I've missed test cricket
What was he saying? I'm not near a telly
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This is utter drivel from England !! Pathetic
Still calling for root to move up the order?? Snicky Snicky outside off stump again
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OMG, Joe Root out for duck
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Oh dear oh dear :o :o
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Right let's see what issue Root has with batting at 3. Cos that's effectively what he's doing
Hahaha, I think we've been proved right.. Nicky Nicky yet again
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Right let's see what issue Root has with batting at 3. Cos that's effectively what he's doing
Not so good then! Jeebus. Early test for Vince it is.
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Good old Boycott
Puts the mockers on England
Calling the SL attack useless then what happens
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Well James Vince is at the crease earlier than I think anyone would have hoped for. Let's see how he does at the highest level.
On another note isn't it nice to see an English test batsman using GM great again
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hopefully the last half hour have shown England don't have the right to thrash anybody.We've no reason to be high and mighty about anything.
Come on Vince!
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Hahaha, I think we've been proved right.. Nicky Nicky yet again
You certainly wasn't right about this being a waste of time and an easy thrashing.
Pretty much on par with your predictions for the SA tour, which saw you blow a gasket when you got it wrong and leave the forum for 6 weeks.
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You certainly wasn't right about this being a waste of time and an easy thrashing.
Pretty much on par with your predictions for the SA tour, which saw you blow a gasket when you got it wrong and leave the forum for 6 weeks.
SL are a poor side but we are allowed different opinions. Feel free follow the ECB and I'll continue to see some of these players as not quite as good as the media portrays.
Sure if you want to rate that SA side given once it started they were missing half their bowling and batting was poorer than ever then sure.. England are suddenly world beaters 🙈
You and I simply disagree on 99% of cricket, you like hitter games and players and I don't. Simple as that really.
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SL are a poor side but we are allowed different opinions. Feel free follow the ECB and I'll continue to see some of these players as not quite as good as the media portrays.
Sure if you want to rate that SA side given once it started they were missing half their bowling and batting was poorer than ever then sure.. England are suddenly world beaters 🙈
You and I simply disagree on 99% of cricket, you like hitter games and players and I don't. Simple as that really.
You and 99% of people disagree on cricket.
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This is proper Test cricket IMO. Bowlers are allowed to swing the ball around. It's not just all about flat pitches where batsmen can just pound the ball to the fence all the time. Pitches like this show more about a batsman's technically ability than a flat road where anyone can score runs. Hales, much to my surprise, played like a test batsman and actually showed respect to the bowlers, hence why he's still at the crease.
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Why did Cook reach for that ball! Sheesh.
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Is there any reason why James Hildreth has never played for England?
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And now Ben Stokes
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Is there any reason why James Hildreth has never played for England?
I don't think there is any particular reason.he is probably the most prolific County batsman not to play test cricket.He was very close a few years ago to getting picked.
England was Cook,Strauss,trott,kp,bell for years don't forget so there were never many openings.There's more places now available than for a few years.
Personally I don't think it helps playing on a flat deck at Somerset but that's just my opinion..in other words, he may be seen as scoring 'easy' runs.
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Poor from Stokes. Too aggressive
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At 83-5 most people would be worried. At least this will be a walk over for England...
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I expect England will give Vince an extended run. Compton i'm not sure about, I like him as a player and you need SOMEONE who can dig in a bit-our middle order all play aggressive.
Hales doesn't work for me,dont want to sound like a broken record but I cant think of an English opener who has played in one day style in tests in this Country. If he's not going to play naturally we might as well have Lyth back, or a proper opener at least, Robson maybe or someone else.
I feel for Hales, he is clearly trying to get in and get some runs, but this is not how he plays normally. I aint easy to slap bowling around at the top of the order....
Maybe he's just taking time to adapt.
Look at someone like Warner who was a biffer. He's learnt which to hit/leave and now looks a decent opener. Hales "could" do the same given enough time.
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I don't think there is any particular reason.he is probably the most prolific County batsman not to play test cricket.He was very close a few years ago to getting picked.
England was Cook,Strauss,trott,kp,bell for years don't forget so there were never many openings.There's more places now available than for a few years.
Personally I don't think it helps playing on a flat deck at Somerset but that's just my opinion..in other words, he may be seen as scoring 'easy' runs.
TBH, even if the pitch is made of concrete ;), still takes some skill to get 13,000 runs at first class level. He's 31 so unlikely to get a game but I like watching that boy bat.
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TBH, even if the pitch is made of concrete ;), still takes some skill to get 13,000 runs at first class level. He's 31 so unlikely to get a game but I like watching that boy bat.
very true, it does indeed. There are some players that just don't get in I suppose.
If you want an Aussie equivalent, just for comparison...Darren lehman(not many caps), stuart law(one cap). I believe SL was not backward in coming forward with an opinion....
However having watched him bat for Essex when he came over here I find it hard to believe he has one test cap. very hard to believe.
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Is there any reason why James Hildreth has never played for England?
Precisely the reason you mentioned in the quote below, he plays on a road at Taunton where it doesn't nip around as much so most think it may have worked against him even though half the games are away! Would be interesting to see his stats away from Taunton but to score that many runs that consistently in FC cricket he should consider himself very unlucky.
This is proper Test cricket IMO. Bowlers are allowed to swing the ball around. It's not just all about flat pitches where batsmen can just pound the ball to the fence all the time. Pitches like this show more about a batsman's technically ability than a flat road where anyone can score runs. Hales, much to my surprise, played like a test batsman and actually showed respect to the bowlers, hence why he's still at the crease.
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Hildreth has just never got the timing quite right with scoring big when a spot has come up in the England side. Been regarded in Somerset as their best batsman for a long time, may have played on the Taunton road a lot but can consider himself very unlucky, that never stopped other players getting in.
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Fifty for hales.
As all falls around him, the man out of his comfort zone is going well.
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I had a theory a few years back just after the ashes white wash. All test teams are not that far apart in standard. Once a team gets on top it is hard to get back in the game. The more players you have who can produce something special to get or stay on top the more likely you are to win. Maybe it doesn't quite apply to Zim and Bangladesh. If you have a bad session you will be punished. I don't like it when players are described as rubbish or useless. They are clearly very good players and just slightly below the standard of the others, usually mentally.
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Will batted Alex Hales
That bat looks beautiful, heartwood in the right place and everything!
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Will batted Alex Hales
That bat looks beautiful, heartwood in the right place and everything!
But it's made by your mortal enemies!!!
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But it's made by your mortal enemies!!!
Nothing an orbital sander wouldn't sort out...
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Interesting stats on Hales' knock of 50-odd so far. Almost 90% of balls faced are dot balls and 80% of runs in 4s! Not a typical test knock but he's done better than the rest of the team so far!
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he has done well. at this moment if it wasn't for him we would be right in the soup.
our bowling should cause SL problems, but we gotta get some runs on the board first.
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Great review from YJB, looked plumb to me!
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whenever I know YJB is batting I just really really want him to do well, more than the others.
can't explain it really, im not a Yorkshire fan.
I do remember his dad playing for York and England.
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Great review from YJB, looked plumb to me!
I hope you don't umpire :)
He isn't spinning it and it looked like it was always going down, have to give the benefit of the doubt so was never out
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50 for Ron Weasley
Seems to have come very quickly to, batted lad
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I hope you don't umpire :)
He isn't spinning it and it looked like it was always going down, have to give the benefit of the doubt so was never out
Wrong lbw, Matthews is medium pace last time I checked. Plus he said "great review". The spin one was a poor review.
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is it too early to have YJB as a specialist batsman in the side?
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Bairstow has to bat at five, its so screamingly obvious. In South Africa, it was the fourth test before he was out other than slogging with number 11 in - and he has been batting that way for Yorkshire for the last 18 months. Its remarkable how an order that features an assortment of Lyth, Lees, Williamson, Root, Ballance, Bresnan, Rashid and Leaning - all test players past present or future - can grind and tough it out, and Bluey walks in and looks like he's unrolled his own private pitch, which is always a Taunton shirtfront.
If they want him to keep for the time being - which is likely given Buttler has not played first class and they don't seem to have a clear third choice - then okay. But you don't have your best player (and right now he is arguably better than Root even) at seven.
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Interesting conversation with a guy at work today who is an acquaintance of YJB. Apparently he thought his England career was over before last summer. He felt poorly treated and didn't think he was ever going to be given a fair chance
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Interesting conversation with a guy at work today who is an acquaintance of YJB. Apparently he thought his England career was over before last summer. He felt poorly treated and didn't think he was ever going to be given a fair chance
Tbf to Bairstow, he's on borrowed time as a keeper because of King buttler who England and some fans seem to have nailed on for test cricket
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Tbf to Bairstow, he's on borrowed time as a keeper because of King buttler who England and some fans seem to have nailed on for test cricket
That's Mr King Buttler to you!
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Interesting conversation with a guy at work today who is an acquaintance of YJB. Apparently he thought his England career was over before last summer. He felt poorly treated and didn't think he was ever going to be given a fair chance
To be fair I bet there was a lot of people who thought that as he is right, he never really got a fair crack but now his current form for England and Yorkshire is standing him in good stead for the foreseeable future.
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I'd leave JB where he is. Surely we can find a decent middle order batsman somewhere?
With an eye to India and his last knock, Samit anybody?
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I'd leave JB where he is. Surely we can find a decent middle order batsman somewhere?
With an eye to India and his last knock, Samit anybody?
I'm not sure why we need to "find a decent middle order batsman somewhere?" poor Vince has only had one innings batting at 5 and already people want him ditched and Bairstow up to bat at 5? Give the lad a fair crack of the whip at least! Or have I totally misunderstood the conversation? Wouldn't be the first time :D
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I think the eventual senario would be drop Compton, move Vince to 3, move Bairstow to 5 and slot Buttler in at 7.
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I'm not sure why we need to "find a decent middle order batsman somewhere?" poor Vince has only had one innings batting at 5 and already people want him ditched and Bairstow up to bat at 5? Give the lad a fair crack of the whip at least! Or have I totally misunderstood the conversation? Wouldn't be the first time :D
oh this is mental, I think I need another coffee too, uksaunders has thrown us into a spin with the recall of Samit for India. Good player, can't help thinking of Gatting, eddie hemmings and Jessie ryder whenver I see SP and hark back to the days when these guys were described as 'big boned' .The Aussie from Glamorgan,Cosgrove I think, could give them a run for their money too.
Look :o :o this is easy isn't it....Vince bats 5 and is gonna be in for a while, bairstow is a better batsman than Stokes, anyone disagree? ok......YJB bats in Stewarts old position at 6 and Stokes bats 7,Ali is currently batting 8.
howzat for an early morning line up? :) now where's the coffee?
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I think the eventual senario would be drop Compton, move Vince to 3, move Bairstow to 5 and slot Buttler in at 7.
They'll probably want to fit Rashid in for India too. Vince to 3 Bairstow (or Ali) to 5 and Ali (or Bairstow) at 7 with Rashid at 8?
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Cosgrove is at Leicestershire, he's the club Captain now.
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Under no circumstances should Stokes be moved from 6! Have we not learnt from what happened when he was? (Also yes I disagree, he is a better bat than Bairstow).
If Bairstow keeps, he bats 7. It's only since he's been at 7 that he's looked halfway comfortable as a test player anyway, sorry. Plus still hasn't kicked the habit of missing straight ones in tests, couple of very close LB calls yesterday.
If Vince settles in and Compton doesn't get any, then Vince may move depending on who England want to put in - if Roy gets a load of runs between now and the end of the summer he could come in at 5, on the other hand we could see Robson or Lyth come in to the top 3. Wouldn't be against big Samit mind, the lad's a hell of a player. If we want two spinners in India we don't also need 4 seamers, so Finn goes for Rashid.
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England's batting yesterday from Cook Root Vince and Stokes was just risky as when there's cloud cover and the new ball is pitched up and seaming away from you driving is a poor shot selection. Although Bairstow did well he doesnt need to try and score runs off every ball.
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I think Samit showed us in the UAE he's not much of a spinner, can't see him taking may wickets in India and he got carted around the park as well, he's definitely a batsman who can bowl a bit and if that's the case what's wrong with Root bowling more overs come India and just having Rashid and Ali?
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England's batting yesterday from Cook Root Vince and Stokes was just risky as when there's cloud cover and the new ball is pitched up and seaming away from you driving is a poor shot selection. Although Bairstow did well he doesnt need to try and score runs off every ball.
I thought Bairstow did well because he does look to score runs off every ball. Puts the bowling side under pressure. They know if they miss their lines/lengths they'll get punished.
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I thought Bairstow did well because he does look to score runs off every ball. Puts the bowling side under pressure. They know if they miss their lines/lengths they'll get punished.
I know the ball was old(er) when he came in but I agree with manormaniac, he did look like he was playing on a different pitch to everyone else. He takes the attacking option every time.You can never tell of course but he might be a 'feast or famine' player rather than someone who gets 30's and 40's consistently but gets out....
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I think Samit showed us in the UAE he's not much of a spinner, can't see him taking may wickets in India and he got carted around the park as well, he's definitely a batsman who can bowl a bit and if that's the case what's wrong with Root bowling more overs come India and just having Rashid and Ali?
I agree, although he did bowl very well in the test he played I thought! Always thought England should look to develop their batsmen who bowl a bit in the bowling department, part time bowling is something it seems we've never been great at, particularly compared to the subcontinent teams who always have two or three decent part timers it seems.
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I thought Bairstow did well because he does look to score runs off every ball. Puts the bowling side under pressure. They know if they miss their lines/lengths they'll get punished.
Your right he did do well but the situation England were in when he came into bat and he knowing what happens at Headingly when there's cloud cover and the ball is seaming IMO he didn't need to try and score off every ball also batting first in test matches you have the time to be more shot selective
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Under no circumstances should Stokes be moved from 6!
If we want two spinners in India we don't also need 4 seamers, so Finn goes for Rashid.
I wholeheartedly agree with both of these points. Although I do like Finn! Regarding Stokes, he averages about 40 batting at 6, why would you move him?
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Can't be many times the number seven has gone past the opener's score like this.
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God I love YJB
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Feast or famine here.
Will anyone stick around long enough to get YJB to his ton?
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come on the Yorkie!!!!!
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ginger ninja power
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Ah, Broady - just the man for a batting crisis!
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The watford wall is in, I'm expecting great things.
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i'm welling up at YJB's hundred at his and his dad's home ground. I'm in bits...
what a great moment.....
someone pass the kleenex
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A very touching interview with Holding over lunch. Felt a lump in my throat listening to him
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Great knock by YJB. I don't think 300 is that bad a score, Broad and Anderson should be able to do some serious damage with the new ball.
EDIT What I meant is that I think 300 will be enough to get a 1st innings lead. I still think England batted poorly (Bairstow and Hales apart) and could have applied themselves a lot better and racked up a lot more against a pretty average looking bowling attack on a slow pitch.
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When did Finn go back to Slazenger?
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When did Finn go back to Slazenger?
His bats were blank last time I saw him play, must have gone back pretty recently.
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I thought he was back with them since last year, I'm sure I saw him in the UAE with Slaz and maybe even during the ashes.
EDIT - Looks like he's been there since the start of last year @smilley792 http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/steven-finn-of-england-walks-from-the-nets-during-a-nets-news-photo/461703824 (http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/steven-finn-of-england-walks-from-the-nets-during-a-nets-news-photo/461703824)
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All out for under 150?
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We're amongst 'em early!
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3 down in 5 overs, england on fire
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86 more for Sri Lanka to avoid the follow on ;)
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Is there a fantasy league for the England team? YJB is raking up the points if there is!! All 3 catches already!!
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England will be batting tonight (weather permitting)
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England will be batting tonight (weather permitting)
Surely we'd enforce the follow on?
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I thought he was back with them since last year, I'm sure I saw him in the UAE with Slaz and maybe even during the ashes.
EDIT - Looks like he's been there since the start of last year @smilley792 [url]http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/steven-finn-of-england-walks-from-the-nets-during-a-nets-news-photo/461703824[/url] ([url]http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/steven-finn-of-england-walks-from-the-nets-during-a-nets-news-photo/461703824[/url])
Can just remember him being with woodworm. Happily admit to not paying attention to the big and fairly often injured tailender
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Surely we'd enforce the follow on?
Modern captains just don't, might as well get some more batting practice in and let the test last 4 days
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Campton look at the pitch right after he was out!
is that not what every Batsmen does when he is out!..................
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Can just remember him being with woodworm. Happily admit to not paying attention to the big and fairly often injured tailender
I'm sure he was using New Balance not that long ago too
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He was adidas for a while. NB was wood
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Finn's probably got it in his sponsorship contract that the deal ends if he drops out of the England side, hence the changing every 3 months!
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I'm sure he was using New Balance not that long ago too
Was NB 2 summers ago, although im sure he probably got more shoes than he does bats, pads and gloves combined.
http://twitter.com/finnysteve/status/479624306662866945?s=17 (http://twitter.com/finnysteve/status/479624306662866945?s=17)
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Has anyone ever wondered if large sums for bat sponsorship ever causes any issues in the dressing room? lets say Joe Root get £300k per year, Steve Finn/Mark Wood, gets £25k per year...
they will be on slightly different salary I would think as that depends on the amount of caps,etc.....but what about sponsorship...they probably all accept it as it is, it's just me thinking out loud
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Bowlers name please? James Vince having a trundle before tea...
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I don't think he's ever been with NB, I know Wood definitely is.
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has anyone every wondered if large sums for bat sponsorship causes any issues in the dressing room? Root gets, say £300k, Steve F
Right but Jimmy's made advertising money, and Root and Jimmy have achieved more than Finn, so that's why. Be better, get paid more. Luckily it is actually at least in part, linked to performance, Root's not the most photogenic bloke in the world, is he?
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Tell you what, SL seem to be struggling with Vince's height/bounce... Bring on Finny!
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JIMMY
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Who wants to see a WI/SL test series?
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I don't think he's ever been with NB, I know Wood definitely is.
Was NB 2 summers ago, although im sure he probably got more shoes than he does bats, pads and gloves combined.
[url]http://twitter.com/finnysteve/status/479624306662866945?s=17[/url] ([url]http://twitter.com/finnysteve/status/479624306662866945?s=17[/url])
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I'm not sure what I'm more surprised about, England choosing to enforce the follow on or the fact it was an option when they only posted 298
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Can someone please enlighten me, when the floodlights over take natural like, does the red ball become invisible? Why do they keep stopping games with loads of over still due to be bowled???!
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Think it is to do with the shadows. The darker ball (especially since some Dukes are almost purple they're that dark), makes it much more difficult to pick up in the shadows from the lights
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****Nerd Alert! Arooooghah!******
I notice Ali is using the SS stickers in the UK - are Surridge not bothered with their ridiculous lawsuit any more?
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****Nerd Alert! Arooooghah!******
I notice Ali is using the SS stickers in the UK - are Surridge not bothered with their ridiculous lawsuit any more?
He didn't bat long enough for anyone, other than a bat nerd, would notice ;)
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Oh dear, who let FattusCattus go to Headingley? (NSFW)
https://twitter.com/crickshouts/status/733719020378132480
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How dare you! Youd've been able to see 'Lil' Fattus' from there!
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Saw the highlights, very good cricket!!!
Looking forward to my saturday morning breakfast with some test cricket. :D
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Let us all take a moment to appreciate these deliveries from Sir Jimmy https://gfycat.com/HorribleBraveBunny
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Let us all take a moment to appreciate these deliveries from Sir Jimmy https://gfycat.com/HorribleBraveBunny
You'd be a bit upset if you got one of those this afternoon!
Just as I thought Jimmy was on the wind down with Steyn... I know SL are poor but jeez, nobody in the world is getting anywhere near those deliveries.
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Finn wants to buck his ideas up a bit - he looks rather unthreatening on a day when he has an opportunity to pick up some wickets.
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Ooohhh jimmy jimmy
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Rain!!!
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Whenever I come here it just rains like it does all the time in the north. New proposal; never go a test match in the north in May ever again.
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So we can all agree Anderson is still very much relevant, right?
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So we can all agree Anderson is still very much relevant, right?
In these conditions when it's hooping
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Woakes for Stokes eh? England seem to really fancy him as he keeps popping up around the squad, however he seems to be rather modest at test match level. I hear they keep talking about the need for an all-rounder to replace like for like, but surely by moving YJB and Mo up a place, there is room for an out and out bowler who bats a bit at no.8? But who can that be - I'll toss a few crazy names into the mix -
Bresnan
Roland-Jones
Harris
Barker
Curran
I know, I know - some of them are fanciful, but is there a good young England seamer who can hold a bat out there at the mo?
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Willey...... Oh wait.
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KP can turn his arm over? Maybe?
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KP can turn his arm over? Maybe?
For a Monday...that's a very mischevious post......
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haha
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I'm fine with Woakes if I'm totally honest with you. Big blow to Durham though when ticket sales are already supposedly patchy and you rely on a local lad (yes, shoot me) to get a few more walk up's.
Also if Bairstow is batting the way he is, maybe just let him stay where he is at 7? Hoping Mo kicks on though, feels like an eternity since he last batted well in a test.
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I'm fine with Woakes if I'm totally honest with you. Big blow to Durham though when ticket sales are already supposedly patchy and you rely on a local lad (yes, shoot me) to get a few more walk up's.
Also if Bairstow is batting the way he is, maybe just let him stay where he is at 7? Hoping Mo kicks on though, feels like an eternity since he last batted well in a test.
I'm glad someone else mentioned that. I was going to post something the other day. I really really like Ali as a player, I do wonder thou how he now fits into the side.
Batting at 8 is half the problem I think, he doesn't seem to like the quick stuff and I don't know where else he would bat.........If I was picking the side I don't think he would get in. I can't see his spin being very effective this summer
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Pretty much, by the time he's in he's often got no real support. He bats at 3 in county, no? Don't see why that's a wild proposition if Compton doesn't do anything of note.
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Pretty much, by the time he's in he's often got no real support. He bats at 3 in county, no? Don't see why that's a wild proposition if Compton doesn't do anything of note.
yeah you could see a possible opening if England don't stick with Compton, everyone moves up or Ali moves up. We have trial by spin this winter on the sub-continent....but....Unless you can play the quick stuff long term I can't see that being the answer.He does indeed bat 3 for his County and has done for years.
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I'm with you guys, Moeen has always struck me as an odd choice at 8 seeing as he's primarily a batsman who bowls. Rashid would seem like a more natural fit there.
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Don't forget Borthwick to bat at 3 (maybe even for the Durham Test) to add a bit of extra spin to the equation).
so for me (baby out with the bathwater and all that):
Borthwick for Compo at 3,
Moeen to 7 and Bairstow to 6
Keith Barker in at 8 for a bit of variety!
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Don't forget Borthwick to bat at 3 (maybe even for the Durham Test) to add a bit of extra spin to the equation).
so for me (baby out with the bathwater and all that):
Borthwick for Compo at 3,
Moeen to 7 and Bairstow to 6
Keith Barker in at 8 for a bit of variety!
I reckon we could do with a steady old boy that can bowl a bit of in drift and do justice to a good tea... ;-)
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My opportunities have been supressed by blinkered selectors!
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Why is Plunkett getting missed out? Never been convinced by Woakes, just seems like a bowling machine with his action.
Averages 21 with the bat and 63 with the ball in test cricket, small window but still...
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Is Plunko currently fit?
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Played in the last Championship game and not seen anything since saying he got injured?
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Well Woakes is picking up wickets today for fun, so there you go...
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Well Woakes is picking up wickets today for fun, so there you go...
He's picked up 2 wickets in 10 overs, not exactly picking them up for fun is he?
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I was going to say last time I looked he had 2 wickets :)
the problem is if Stokes is not playing,and sounds like he could be out 6 weeks, is we are not exactly flush with allrounders as a like for like....
i'm stuggling to think of more than 2 or 3 who might be good enough.. Woakes.....Chris Jordan(!) uummm..like I said struggling for decent seamers who are proper batsmen.
I would throw in Ansari of Surrey if he is fit. What have we got to lose in this series? we are one up and the Lankans cannot play the seaming and swinging ball
If we thro in Ansari now......we might just find the left arm spinner we are looking for- for the bangla and india tours later this year...
just a thought :)
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Does Chris Jordan deserve another chance? Or is he just a one-day player now
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If they bring Jordan in to replace Stokes, they might as well replace Anderson/Broad with Dernbach!
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Don't really see what Chris Jordan brings to the England test squad apart from his fielding.
Up and down bowler who try's to hit the deck hard at mid 80's and is never really going to score you any hard fought runs, might just bash a few down the order when we already have a decent score.
Leave him as a one day player for me, surprised a lot of people with his performances in the T20 world cup and his batting at the end can be more valuable there.
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Now CJ is in the IPL like Jos it would need something spectacular for him to be in the England whites this series. If he was within the next 2/3 bowlers in reserve they wouldn't have allowed him to go over there.
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He's picked up 2 wickets in 10 overs, not exactly picking them up for fun is he?
I reckon he read this and it spurred him on.
Woakes took 8 wickets today..........
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Also stokes needs a knee op. That's not gonna be a quick turn around!
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Also stokes needs a knee op. That's not gonna be a quick turn around!
Depends what he's done, meniscus is literally a few weeks.. Cartlidge (most people confuse meniscus as cartlidge) is six months or more..
ACL/MCL etc is big too
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He's picked up 2 wickets in 10 overs, not exactly picking them up for fun is he?
Hello mate.
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Woakes is a far, far better player than the internet gives him credit for. 9-for today is a good effort! Wonder if he'll bat at 6 like he did on debut or at 7/8 with others moving up.
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Hello mate.
Good on him but makes no difference at the point you posted it he had still only picked up 2 wickets in 10 overs...
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Woakes with a test bowling ave of 68 is in the squad.
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I'll throw Matt Coles into the mix as an all rounder who bats at 8, good pace and height bowls a heavy ball and can hold a bat for sure. Plays Div 2 but took lots of wickets last season and started very well this season as well.
More chance of KP making a come back but that's my shout
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Woakes has a ton and a 9-fer in his last two games. He's also at the start of his test career. He's never had a run in the side that selectors like to give newbies. He deserves a go and maybe with stokes having an op and the selectors preference for an all rounder at 6 maybe he'll get it. If Compton and hales are getting 7 games, he at least deserves that, if stokes is out for the summer...
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I used to champion Woakesy, but I do wonder if he will be a bowler who will do ok in England with some assistance - but will be a bit of fodder on flatter Test pitches.
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I think Woakes having already played 6 tests with a bowling strike rate of 115 should tell the selectors what they need to know.
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Nick 'compdog' Compton on BBC admitting his needs runs this week to stay in the side.
Also honest enough to admit he is not entertaining and knows the paying public would rather watch Stokes than him.
Great to see this down to earth attitude from the players themselves.....it cuts thru the self promotion so evident from some pro's who cannot get their head thru the dressing room door-broad/kp/swann etc
But does his value to the side outweigh his style? or has the game moved on...less draws,faster scoring rates etc....
:)
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I think all teams when playing proper cricket regardless of the level need a Compton style player.
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Only if he can score runs - I wonder if, Ramprakash style - his own intensity stops him scoring at test level.
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Only if he can score runs - I wonder if, Ramprakash style - his own intensity stops him scoring at test level.
I think you're spot on there Big Cat, technically I think he has the perfect game for a top order player,practises very hard and wants to improve and he knows his role in the side.
at top level it seems those batsmen able to totally relax play the best.
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I'll throw Matt Coles into the mix as an all rounder who bats at 8, good pace and height bowls a heavy ball and can hold a bat for sure. Plays Div 2 but took lots of wickets last season and started very well this season as well.
More chance of KP making a come back but that's my shout
Not sure if Coles disciplinary issues will hold him back. Very talented but more chance in White Ball cricket methinks. Watched him whack some very quick runs when at Hants and no doubt he could be a match winner.
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Cook apparently has confirmed Woakes will bat down at 8 with YJB taking Stokes' place at 6.
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I think Woakes having already played 6 tests with a bowling strike rate of 115 should tell the selectors what they need to know.
Glenn McGrath had a strike rate of 104 after 6 tests.
Brett Lee had one of 34.
Shane Warne was at 90.
I guess it shows that 6 games isn't enough of a sample to whether they are good enough.
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Glenn McGrath had a strike rate of 104 after 6 tests.
Brett Lee had one of 34.
Shane Warne was at 90.
I guess it shows that 6 games isn't enough of a sample to whether they are good enough.
Fair comment but England are looking for an all rounder and Woakes batting ave isn't that great even with a few not outs.
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Anyone else think Cook is a lunatic for electing to bat first? Surely in those conditions you'd favour having a bowl?
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looks like both teams would have batted according to BBC.
don't know if the riverside moves about as much as it has before..
either way, if you go out to face the new ball you got to expect it to move around and earn your runs
really hoping Compton shows his class.He's the man for the job...but he needs to chillax and play normally.
a swift shot of something strong might help
:)
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Ribena Toothkind, undiluted?
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trying to make a game of it?
well.......at £30.00 a ticket today it's great value, us down South(well London anyway) get caned for ticket prices, i'd be wanting to see England bat if I had paid to get in.
anyone up North perhaps could advise the price of a pint at the Riverside.
Just out of curiousity :)
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well.......at £30.00 a ticket today it's great value, us down South(well London anyway) get caned for ticket prices, i'd be wanting to see England bat if I had paid to get in.
anyone up North perhaps could advise the price of a pint at the Riverside.
Just out of curiousity :)
I booked today off work on the basis that I'd travel up for this, but travel prices on the train are just absolutely ridiculous, near £90 odd when I was looking well in advance.
Day 4 at Lords for £30 isn't bad, albeit in the Edrich lower...
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If you ever hear Alastair Cook in an interview, saying that stats, milestones and achievements don't bother him, he's lying..!
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So.
We need to find an opener that can stay in with hales.......
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cookie,cookie,cookie.......
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Saturday paper back pages ruined...
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I'll bet Alistair's happy he batted first now.
C'mon Compo, let's see what you are made of!
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Must be those nervous 9990's!
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In an ideal world, England will get 450 by tomorrow and bowl SL out twice without Cookie needing to bat again.
Then Cook hitting a ton at Lords so that he gets his name on the board plus reaching that landmark at the home of cricket!
But where England are concerned, things rarely go to plan or work out as expected!!
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5 off 26
Lovely Compo
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CricViz is saying 371 ao, Sri Lanka 283ao, England 322ao and Sri Lanka 188ao. Not sure how 56-1 produces that result but there is plenty of margin for error at the moment.
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5 off 26
Lovely Compo
#solid
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5 off 26
Lovely Compo
Proper Test match cricket
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Compton you absolute tool
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Absolutely terrible position to be playing that shot from. Oh dear.
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Compo looks to be on the way out I suspect! He is still not performing still so interesting to see how long they stay with him?
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Don't get Compton at all. Talks all week about how he's not Lara, or his Gramps, or Hales or Stokes, says he's happy being the grinder, then goes and does that. Again. Whether it's his technique or his head, he's got to be done by the end of this series...
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Writings on the wall with Compo, doesn't look comfortable at the crease
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Roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
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Does Hales have tape on his boots to stop his pads squeeking?
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Oh Nick.......why ?? why ?
I think there's no truer saying in cricket that batting is in the head.....I really feel for the bloke.
as I said to one of my muppet team mates the other day: 'If batting was that easy you would be getting 50 every week, you're not''
sorry but it had to be said.
:)
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Very impressed with Hales this morning, his judgement has looked good. Credit to him after how he went in the SA tour
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Ok - not that I am writing Compo off just yet, but it's not looking great for him!
So with Hales looking as though he is starting to settle in to his role a little better in this series, and assuming that Compo doesn't suddenly hit a double-century at Lords, then who would be the next to jump into the number 3 spot?
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vince I think bats 3 normally for his county so maybe worth a go if he can get some runs as im sure we can find another middle order player even moving jonny up and bringing butler back in but no.3 is a tricky postion for England as since trot no one has cemented it
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OMG 31 overs have been bowled in a session, what is the world coming too!!
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Interesting stat from Andrew Samson:
"Nick Compton has 109 first-class runs at 15.57 runs this season. He hasn't got a fifty in 14 innings, since his 85 at Durban."
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Interesting stat from Andrew Samson:
"Nick Compton has 109 first-class runs at 15.57 runs this season. He hasn't got a fifty in 14 innings, since his 85 at Durban."
How many chances is enough chances?
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How many chances is enough chances?
There were rumours that he was for the chop prior to the start of the season but in losing Taylor, they didn't want too much change so stuck with him. I'd have thought he'd be lucky to get another game now unless he does something in the 2nd innings.
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he was publically backed by Farbrace prior to this test. I think he will get the next match as well,
We can't be too quick disguarding players, if you get picked in the first place there's a reason.If you trust the judgement of the selectors you have to back it.
To be fair to the selectors in recent years, they have got a lot right. Heaven forbid we go back to the 80's when just about everyone was playing their 'last innings before the chop'
without wishing to start off a aussie in England/IJC/GerrySA style ruck on a Friday afternoon, Ian Bell ? if England make a change that is....... :) :)
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he was publically backed by Farbrace prior to this test. I think he will get the next match as well,
We can't be too quick disguarding players, if you get picked in the first place there's a reason.If you trust the judgement of the selectors you have to back it.
To be fair to the selectors in recent years, they have got a lot right. Heaven forbid we go back to the 80's when just about everyone was playing their 'last innings before the chop'
without wishing to start off a aussie in England/IJC/GerrySA style ruck on a Friday afternoon, Ian Bell ? if England make a change that is....... :) :)
I'm going to be even more controversial....I LIKE GARY BALLANCE
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I'm going to be even more controversial....I LIKE GARY BALLANCE
oh gawd here we go... :) :) haha !!!
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Agree completely @ppccopener, he isn't looking in great nick but got picked for a reason, should definitely get the next test.
In the event he goes, don't see many options screaming to get picked at 3 and don't like throwing a debutant in there in any case. Robson? Picking an opener at 3 has worked plenty of times before.
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Robson does look to be in fine form! And having an opener isn't the worst call in case Hales or Cookie take an early shower!
I would love to see Compo get a big one, but he isn't looking good on current form! And if one of the bowlers was bowling pies and looked in dire form, he would be rested pretty quickly.....
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I think Compo will definitely get the next test but then who knows.....
Top English CC Div 1 runs scorers -
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
SD Robson 6 8 1 634 231 90.57 1126 56.30 3 2 1 86 2
(Middlesex)
JC Hildreth 6 9 2 564 166 80.57 914 61.70 2 2 1 67 0
(Somerset)
JM Bairstow 4 6 0 533 246 88.83 603 88.39 2 0 0 62 4
(Yorkshire)
SR Patel 6 11 0 491 124 44.63 733 66.98 1 4 0 58 11
(Nottinghamshire)
IJL Trott 6 8 1 488 219* 69.71 668 73.05 1 3 0 74 0
(Warwickshire)
PD Trego 6 9 1 482 94 60.25 699 68.95 0 5 1 55 6
(Somerset)
KK Jennings 5 8 1 471 116 67.28 864 54.51 3 1 0 68 1
(Durham)
V Chopra 6 9 1 418 107 52.25 708 59.03 1 4 0 53 1
(Warwickshire)
ME Trescothick 6 10 1 412 129* 45.77 794 51.88 2 1 0 63 1
(Somerset)
MD Stoneman 5 8 1 405 141* 57.85 646 62.69 1 2 0 50 3
(Durham)
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I think Compo will definitely get the next test but then who knows.....
Top English CC Div 1 runs scorers -
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
SD Robson 6 8 1 634 231 90.57 1126 56.30 3 2 1 86 2
(Middlesex)
JC Hildreth 6 9 2 564 166 80.57 914 61.70 2 2 1 67 0
(Somerset)
JM Bairstow 4 6 0 533 246 88.83 603 88.39 2 0 0 62 4
(Yorkshire)
SR Patel 6 11 0 491 124 44.63 733 66.98 1 4 0 58 11
(Nottinghamshire)
IJL Trott 6 8 1 488 219* 69.71 668 73.05 1 3 0 74 0
(Warwickshire)
PD Trego 6 9 1 482 94 60.25 699 68.95 0 5 1 55 6
(Somerset)
KK Jennings 5 8 1 471 116 67.28 864 54.51 3 1 0 68 1
(Durham)
V Chopra 6 9 1 418 107 52.25 708 59.03 1 4 0 53 1
(Warwickshire)
ME Trescothick 6 10 1 412 129* 45.77 794 51.88 2 1 0 63 1
(Somerset)
MD Stoneman 5 8 1 405 141* 57.85 646 62.69 1 2 0 50 3
(Durham)
Patel for England 3!
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just saw the replay... don't think compton's shot was "reckless". 80+ mph, you don't really plan or pre meditate..your instincts take over. the ball was short, he played a hook - have seen Root get out like that too.
just bad luck imo. though his days are likely numbered.
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Can Joe Root be made immortal like Misbah?
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Has anyone noticed that Joe Root has the word 'Village' stickered across the back of his bat?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Has anyone noticed that Joe Root has the word 'Village' stickered across the back of his bat?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Youre a nutter!!!
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Is Hales now switching to ODI mode?
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What a catch.
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Ffs hales arghhhhhhh
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Or maybe not! ;)
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Gutted for Hales!
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I'm all for giving players time (see Woakes earlier in this thread and posts across the board), but Compton's not learning. He's as intense, playing ill-judged shots following pressure he's building on himself. Test cricket is a high pressure environment and I don't think he's suited to it. If he was on the brink of being dropped after SA, then the selectors know it.
Compton hasn't remedied the problems that got him dropped in the first place. That's the problem.
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Test average of 84.5 in England for Alex hales
We may have found an opener!
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well batted Hales, a ton would of been great but he's showed he can get his head down and graft.
how easy does Joe Root make batting look?
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It was look at the stats didn't Root have a strike rate of 37 or something in his first year in tests, rising to 50 in the second year and 70 odd in the third?
If this is the case for Hales, he may end up being our "Warner"
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I love Bumble
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You only need look at Vince and Compo together at the moment!
Even if Vince doesn't hit a decent score today (hope he does being a Hampshire born follower) you can still see the difference.
Compo looks apprehensive and very much out of form. And then look at Vince and although there will be a few nerves there, he looks a lot more in form in comparison?
That first boundary was a high quality shot!
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Vince proving he's style over substance imo.
Nice to see Moeen get the chance to actually bat, rather than be stuck in a counter attacking role. Fingers crossed for him tomorrow.
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Quite impressed with Vince today, he looks worth a run in the side. The Yorkshire lads, Root and Bairstow stole the show though.
Compton...I have to agree he looks so stressed by the whole thing. If he faced that attack in county cricket, I'd have £50 on him to make a ton. Call it a test match and I'd have the same money on him to make less than 20.
Only question is who comes in? We need someone solid, but ideally a bit less stodgy than Nick. Be a really good time for Lyth or Robson to make another ton, or for young Joe Clarke to smash it around.
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I think all Compton needs is a score as hes apprehensive at the crease and he will be okay also it was a great catch to get him out.
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The Sri Lankan keeper has kookaburra gloves but (I think it was) SG pads. I'm uneasy with this!!
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The Sri Lankan keeper has kookaburra gloves but (I think it was) SG pads. I'm uneasy with this!!
SF pads, anyone else notice Woakes's gloves, look like an all white pair of the old E41s cook used to use.
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Batted Mo.
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Time to go now, Mo. 400 is more than enough for SL, anything over that is gravy.
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Moeen Ali must dream of facing this hopeless Lankan attack all the time. So bad he's managed two Test hundreds against them...
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Just embarrassing from SL. Bangladesh would have put up a better fight.
No wonder test match cricket is dying, who wants to watch this rubbish, no contest at all. Should have given NZ 5 test matches this summer!
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Cracking test series !!
Not.
Utterly pointless and anyone sensible simply can't read anything into it. SL can't bat and can't bowl
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M Ali - What a knock !! Bearded warrior is back with a bang .... Wonder what brought this on ??
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Probably brought on by the fact that the bowling standard was closer to County standard than it was to International standard!
I can't imagine Ali would be hitting many tons against the Saffa or Aussie bowlers!
BUT you can only play what is put in front of you....so credit to the great bearded one! :)
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Certainly sub standard bowling by Sri Lanka. The new SL line up is an utter disaster !! They are showing no reserve to even put up a fight ...
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Not many 8s make Test hundreds. The inability to grasp context is remarkable.
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Well played Kaushal Silva! He put up good resistance when wickets fell all around him.
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Not many 8s make Test hundreds. The inability to grasp context is remarkable.
Or mAybe the point you're missing is that at #8 it's normally bowlers whom bat there. The likes of Johnson, Broad and Ashwin have 100s at #8.
Moeen Ali is a top order batsman batting at #8 because he's not good enough up bat in the top six.
That's the difference
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Or mAybe the point you're missing is that at #8 it's normally bowlers whom bat there. The likes of Johnson, Broad and Ashwin have 100s at #8.
Moeen Ali is a top order batsman batting at #8 because he's not good enough up bat in the top six.
That's the difference
I always thought he was a frontline spinner who batted (See Ashwin) Fair enough, he isn't as good a spinner as Ashwin, but he certainly bats better than he does... Or atleast he does a better job in scoring runs quickly. He's an opener in CC because he's one of the better batsman at Worcester. Saj Mahmood was a very average batsman for England, but nowadays opens up for Rotherham Town because he's the best batsman they have!
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Was wondering what happened to Saj Mahmood after Essex released him so thanks :)
Sri Lanka have played better in better batting conditions, our(England's) problem has always been what happens when the wickets go flat and the ball goes soft.
This series is a bit boring...if it's an average English summer weather wise it could be a battle of the bowlers against Pakistan.
I could be in a minority but looks to me a close series on paper.
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Was wondering what happened to Saj Mahmood after Essex released him so thanks :)
Sri Lanka have played better in better batting conditions, our(England's) problem has always been what happens when the wickets go flat and the ball goes soft.
This series is a bit boring...if it's an average English summer weather wise it could be a battle of the bowlers against Pakistan.
I could be in a minority but looks to me a close series on paper.
Isn't he in one of the adverts for a bookmaker (possible Bet365) at the moment?
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Isn't he in one of the adverts for a bookmaker (possible Bet365) at the moment?
Haha yeah he is, bit of a fall from grace
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Was wondering what happened to Saj Mahmood after Essex released him so thanks :)
You know the England match is boring when you're sat at home wondering "I wonder what Saj is up to..." :D
But yes, sounds like he's commuting over from Bolton each weekend, bit of a trek, but I guess it pays his beer money. From what I hear he's a great bloke to have around the team, a good laugh.
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Magnificent century by Dinesh Chandimal. Sri Lankan's next generation will rely heavily on this fella.
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Moeen Ali 1/136 off 28 overs. Truly shocking bowler.
His 19 wickets against India was a total fluke.
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The umpires have both been excellent, has there been a successful review yet this test?
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10000 runs for Cook. He should give up the captaincy racket and focus on breaking batting records. Captaincy is a thankless job.
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Moeen Ali 1/136 off 28 overs. Truly shocking bowler.
His 19 wickets against India was a total fluke.
Realise your most likely trolling but is Herath 1/116 from 29 overs also a truly shocking bowler?
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Well batted Chef.
Up there with the best.
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Every time Compton defends Herath's delivery, that M&H livery is prominently displayed. So nice to see that. :D
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Nice couple of shots by Compton to finish the game for England!
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Moeen Ali is a top order batsman batting at #8 because he's not good enough up bat in the top six.
He was batting at 7.
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Every time Compton defends Herath's delivery, that M&H livery is prominently displayed. So nice to see that. :D
SSo nice that a smaller brand is being used on the biggest stage
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SSo nice that a smaller brand is being used on the biggest stage
Who cares, the letters were M&H and match winning two boundaries as well. :D
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Any one else think Woakes bowling limitations we're exposed today when the pitch flatten out.
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Any one else think Woakes bowling limitations we're exposed today when the pitch flatten out.
No more than Broad and Finn's were
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Realise your most likely trolling but is Herath 1/116 from 29 overs also a truly shocking bowler?
Hardly...
Rangana Herath was bowling on day 1/2 when it was favourable for seam bowling, there wasn't any turn in the pitch at that stage.
Moeen Ali was bowling on day 3/4 when there was big turn on offer, against a pretty downbeat Lankan side, yet because Ali is so hopeless he still couldn't create any pressure at all.
And Ali was the one bowling chest high full tosses that Compton was lucky didn't result in a broken ankle...
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No more than Broad and Finn's were
I would nt say Broad has limitations he bowled a wonderful slower ball to help wrap up the SL innings to move to 343 test wickets.
As for Finn he's lost his rhythm he's a bang it in bowler at his best when bowling as fast as he can getting bounce
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When Cook reached 10,000 runs whats the obsession with him being 'the youngest to 10,000'?
Cook has played 30 odd extra innings than the previous record holder, vis a via had he played the extra 30 innings he would've had another 1500+ runs...
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This is no trolling going on here,just a different opinion, and please....let's not compare any stats from Ali with Herath.The Sri Lankan has 300 test wickets you don't get those down at Poundland.
I like Ali as a cricketer, but he bowled a load of rubbish in this match, turn/no turn/good wicket/whatever it doesn't matter.
We...us England fans can be very one eyed sometimes. if Ali is the off spinner first he is not good enough by a long way. If he is a part time bowler all is fine in the world. the two are very different.
Ali's batting was thrilling, where he fits in a strong England side I'm not sure.
If you bat 8 really your primary slot should be as a wicket taker
:)
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When Cook reached 10,000 runs whats the obsession with him being 'the youngest to 10,000'?
Cook has played 30 odd extra innings than the previous record holder, vis a via had he played the extra 30 innings he would've had another 1500+ runs...
Yawn. What a surprise to see you pop up with a dig at an English player. Never saw that coming...
Great to see Jimmy bowling so well, seems to have the ball on a string sometimes.
Nice to see Chandimal's ton too, totally deserved - some of his driving through the covers was beautiful.
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Completely agree with this, and I like Ali as a cricketer, but he is not a front line spinner whist he has a hole up his bum. I think there are other spinners out there who may do a better job batting at number 8 when Stokes is back,
Rashid?
Ansari?
Batty?
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Yawn. What a surprise to see you pop up with a dig at an English player. Never saw that coming...
Great to see Jimmy bowling so well, seems to have the ball on a string sometimes.
Nice to see Chandimal's ton too, totally deserved - some of his driving through the covers was beautiful.
A dig at Cook? What planet you on?
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Completely agree with this, and I like Ali as a cricketer, but he is not a front line spinner whist he has a hole up his bum. I think there are other spinners out there who may do a better job batting at number 8 when Stokes is back,
Rashid?
Ansari?
Batty?
Rashid is the best fit for #8
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Ali will remain we have won every trophy with him in the side so why change a winning side.
Ali will not move up i do not think but can do a duel role has proven in the tests he has played
front line spinner no part of a winning side ...
for sure..
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I think Ali will stay for the reasons Dave mentions above. I a member of the Rashid fan club though and if it was up to me he'd be England's no 8 and frontline spinner. Not taking away from Ali's knock though, great to watch.
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Ali will remain we have won every trophy with him in the side so why change a winning side.
Ali will not move up i do not think but can do a duel role has proven in the tests he has played
front line spinner no part of a winning side ...
for sure..
The only issue I have with this theory Dave is what is coming up - I fear Pakistan may make mincemeat of him, then I believe it's a double tour to the sub-continent. He;s a 2nd spinner at best, therefore a frontline spinner is not getting any experience.
I just don't believe he's got any better than he was, and I don't feel he fulfils the role of frontline spinner.
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The only issue I have with this theory Dave is what is coming up - I fear Pakistan may make mincemeat of him, then I believe it's a double tour to the sub-continent. He;s a 2nd spinner at best, therefore a frontline spinner is not getting any experience.
I just don't believe he's got any better than he was, and I don't feel he fulfils the role of frontline spinner.
if you put the best English qualified spinners in a list Fattus, a short one list I think this will be :), who would you have in it?
we are on a very hard tour of Bangladesh and India late this year, we will probably play two spinners in the Tests, but who they are is not easy to choose.
For what it's worth,and much as I really like Ali as a player, I think Rashid will be more potent as in...getting wickets at No 8 for us.
I think if I was a selector I would be trying to get Ansari of Surrey as part of the squads pretty soon....so they can at least have a look-maybe in the one dayers......
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the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' argument doesn't hold with me, if that was the case you'd never improve as a team.
Ali suffers from being a jack of all trades and really the England set up should take a lot of the blame for this. He came into the team as a top order batsmen who could bowl a bit and they've clearly told him to invest a lot of time and training into his bowling, which will have been to the detriment of his batting. His bowling doesn't seem to be going anywhere and until is 155* his batting had been floundering. As an orthodox offie you first and foremost need to have a lot of control which he just doesnt seem to be able to get, whether or not he puts a lot of revs on it or has a nice action is really irrelevant if you can't control an end. They've squandered a lot of his talent and it's a crying shame because like we saw when he's batting well he's a joy to watch.
I'm not too sure on what other spinners are out there aside from the obvious choices of Rashid/Ansari and I'd like to see all three of them go to the subcontinent this winter.
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I'm still not buying the Rashid is better argument.
From my perspective he is in the same camp as Imran Tahir, as in he's a good Limited overs spinner, as when he (inevitably) bowls a long hop or a full toss, yes he still gets drilled, but the field is out and he gets away with it being a single to the man in the deep. In a test, that same ball & shot would be 4 runs, as the fielders are in. So you end up having to put the field out to stem the flow, and then you reduce his potency by not having the catchers in place, and allowing singles, as you have to protect the boundary. It's a vicious circle, so until he can cut out the bad ball, then he's not going to be an effective test match spinner. Because for all the wicket taking deliveries he might bowl, if he's going at 5/6 an over, it's a waste of time, as the opposition are getting away from you. Personally I'd rather a spinner get 1-50 from 20 overs, than 3-120. But maybe that's just me....
To be honest, there's not any spinners around in England who are good enough to win test matches. Simple as that. Maybe we need to go down the route that South Africa did, and just play quick bowlers, and try and get someone who can tie up an end (same as Ashley Giles, Paul Harris etc)
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Monty averaging 78 at the moment :(
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To be honest, there's not any spinners around in England who are good enough to win test matches. Simple as that. Maybe we need to go down the route that South Africa did, and just play quick bowlers, and try and get someone who can tie up an end (same as Ashley Giles, Paul Harris etc)
Interesting to note that Moeen and Giles have very similar test bowling records.
Giles:
Tests 54 Wickets 143 Average: 40.60 Economy:2.86
Moeen:
Tests 25 Wickets 66 Average: 40.65 Economy: 3.71
Slightly better economy from Giles but wickets to games and average is pretty similar
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Jimmy Andserson moves up to world number 1 ranked bowler, replacing Stuart Broad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36418505 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36418505)
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Just a useless green top clubbie. No idea how he has taken 450 test wickets.
Where is Vic when you need him?!
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Jimmy Andserson moves up to world number 1 ranked bowler, replacing Stuart Broad
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36418505[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36418505[/url])
if you just take bowling in tests in this Country, we have the best two bowlers in world cricket since..........mcgrath and warne I would say.
Anderson is so far out on his own it's scary....
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Steyn was what number 1 bowler for 5/6 years until philander stole his crown. Neither Broad, Ashwin or Anderson are anyway near the level of Steyn.
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Steyn was what number 1 bowler for 5/6 years until philander stole his crown. Neither Broad, Ashwin or Anderson are anyway near the level of Steyn.
but they are thou....they are near the level of Steyn. The South African has been the stand out bowler of the last few years, Anderson and Broad may be behind him but they are 'near the level' because they are up there near the top.
In this Country, on our wickets, there's no better bowler out there at the moment. Yes, the wickets help him, same as the wickets in India help Ashwin, and the quick tracks in SA help Steyn.
:)
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Nonsense. England play double the amount of Test matches per year therefore Anderson boosts his wicket tally. He's not on or ever has been anyway near Steyn.
Great bowlers do it in all conditions. Anderson can only do it on doctored green tops. Ashwin only on Indian sandpits.
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Dunno if anyone heard 'Swanny' on TMS talking about raiding a bat cupboard in his Notts days?
The conversation was on tailenders not getting bat sponsors. Swanny said they're better off with a bat from 'local Geoff' and he recalled Mike Hussey returning to Notts after a trip to his sponsor (you'll figure it out)...
(passable Aussie acccent); "mate, you've got to ask to see the bats in the private room, some absolute stunners in there."
Swanny (who at the time was using the same brand); "will do, so I trotted off there the next day, asked to see the secret stash. Shop floor employee, deadpan; "nothing like that here..."
Goes back to Notts the next day... "Huss, you're winding me up, there's no secret room!" Hussey, adamant there is, calls the gaffer and goes down with Swann the next day. They get let into the room.
Swann then reveals that they rolled down the grips on the bats - practically all have 'Ponting' written on the handles. Swann takes a look at them and swaps them for the ones he picked up the day before, from the main stash. he concluded by saying this was just before the 2005 Ashes and he likes to think that he contributed to that series win...
Was listening in thinking this anecdote is CBF heaven!
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the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' argument doesn't hold with me, if that was the case you'd never improve as a team.
Ali suffers from being a jack of all trades and really the England set up should take a lot of the blame for this. He came into the team as a top order batsmen who could bowl a bit and they've clearly told him to invest a lot of time and training into his bowling, which will have been to the detriment of his batting. His bowling doesn't seem to be going anywhere and until is 155* his batting had been floundering. As an orthodox offie you first and foremost need to have a lot of control which he just doesnt seem to be able to get, whether or not he puts a lot of revs on it or has a nice action is really irrelevant if you can't control an end. They've squandered a lot of his talent and it's a crying shame because like we saw when he's batting well he's a joy to watch.
I'm not too sure on what other spinners are out there aside from the obvious choices of Rashid/Ansari and I'd like to see all three of them go to the subcontinent this winter.
I agree fix it bit but for me either Rashid or Ansari are good enough but hey thats my two pence worth.. or Borthwick
Ali takes wickets simple as that and is no better or worst than the other 3...
Bothwick got to be next off the rank of batter/spin bowlers..
frontline spinners who have we seriously got really???
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Steyn was what number 1 bowler for 5/6 years until philander stole his crown. Neither Broad, Ashwin or Anderson are anyway near the level of Steyn.
And of course the 793 wickets broad and Anderson have between them was due to poor batting.
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And of course the 793 wickets broad and Anderson have between them was due to poor batting.
They're both cubbies remember, all 793 must have been on doctored green tops... ;)
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I'm not one for stats and figures but just looked at Anderson against pak in use last tour he got 13 wickets and yasir shah got 15 over 3 tests...and they were the flattest tracks I've seen for a while.
But I'm not going to bang my head against a brick wall. The guy is world class.
If you wanted you could argue Cook playing more tests in England is a better batsman than any lf the sub continent players who also have 10,000 test runs.
But I'm not going to I've just mentioned that to prove how pointless it is.
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Dunno if anyone heard 'Swanny' on TMS talking about raiding a bat cupboard in his Notts days?
The conversation was on tailenders not getting bat sponsors. Swanny said they're better off with a bat from 'local Geoff' and he recalled Mike Hussey returning to Notts after a trip to his sponsor (you'll figure it out)...
(passable Aussie acccent); "mate, you've got to ask to see the bats in the private room, some absolute stunners in there."
Swanny (who at the time was using the same brand); "will do, so I trotted off there the next day, asked to see the secret stash. Shop floor employee, deadpan; "nothing like that here..."
Goes back to Notts the next day... "Huss, you're winding me up, there's no secret room!" Hussey, adamant there is, calls the gaffer and goes down with Swann the next day. They get let into the room.
Swann then reveals that they rolled down the grips on the bats - practically all have 'Ponting' written on the handles. Swann takes a look at them and swaps them for the ones he picked up the day before, from the main stash. he concluded by saying this was just before the 2005 Ashes and he likes to think that he contributed to that series win...
Was listening in thinking this anecdote is CBF heaven!
Perhaps this was why Ponting (allegedly) started using TK performance laminates with carbon inserts in the handle? ;)
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I'm not one for stats and figures but just looked at Anderson against pak in use last tour he got 13 wickets and yasir shah got 15 over 3 tests...and they were the flattest tracks I've seen for a while.
But I'm not going to bang my head against a brick wall. The guy is world class.
If you wanted you could argue Cook playing more tests in England is a better batsman than any lf the sub continent players who also have 10,000 test runs.
But I'm not going to I've just mentioned that to prove how pointless it is.
Call it what you like. Anderson and Broad will never be in the class of Steyn. Period.
It's the British media insisting Wayne Rooney is world class, he's a long way short, yet deluded fans cling on to these absurd claims.
As for Anderson bagging a few wickets against Pakistan, two factors Duke ball and a mediocre batting line up.
Stick a kookaburra in Anderson's hand and he's a useful as a chocolate teapot.
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Just going to leave these here...
https://youtu.be/Yw7zDgUu7HY
https://youtu.be/piF85f2IwmM
https://youtu.be/GDFPPZ8eUeo
And especially for our Aussie friend
https://youtu.be/_AE1iv008N8
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Came home to have a right chuckle, haha.
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It's the British media insisting Wayne Rooney is world class, he's a long way short, yet deluded fans cling on to these absurd claims.
Since when did us English believe Rooney's world class? Pretty sure our country are the best at slating our players and knocking them down when they underachieve. Rooney's our top goalscorer of all time yet everybody abuses him saying he's nowhere near the class of any of our former top strikers...
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Just going to leave these here...
https://youtu.be/Yw7zDgUu7HY
https://youtu.be/piF85f2IwmM
https://youtu.be/GDFPPZ8eUeo
And especially for our Aussie friend
https://youtu.be/_AE1iv008N8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ge3LPjChcM
Enjoy
As for Anderson getting Tendulkar 9 times, so what? Tendulkar was 33-40 when Anderson dipped his bread, essentially bullied an old man. McGrath had a peak Tendulkar in his pocket.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ge3LPjChcM
Enjoy
As for Anderson getting Tendulkar 9 times, so what?
Yeah so what getting one of the greatest batsman of all time 9 times, must be a terrible bowler lol.
This sums him up fellas. Don't feed him.
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Stick a kookaburra in Anderson's hand and he's a useful as a chocolate teapot.
Might aswell give him an orange... About as useful :D
Also, being Australian, I'd probably stay away from the "You're bad at football" thing... Glass houses and all that.
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Sri-Lanka 16/1 to take this 3rd test. We all know how England can have the odd collapse, might be worth £10!
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Dead rubber, nothing on this test so it'll probably be slooowww and not much effort
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Lords look rather lovely today
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Hales gone edging to slip trying to sweep herath
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Nick Compton's test career RIP. We can blame the selectors for this one yeah?
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so who to bat at 3 vs pakistan? im thinking possibly someone from essex stepping up and a shuffle in the batting order, has vince shown enough for a shot at 3?
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Vince to be left at 5 - not shown enough yet. Stuff Borthwick in, scoring loadsaruns and 6th bowler.
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so who to bat at 3 vs pakistan? im thinking possibly someone from essex stepping up and a shuffle in the batting order, has vince shown enough for a shot at 3?
Root. He's pretty much batted there anyway.
Depending how Vince does, he could move up to 4 with someone new coming in at 5. I was hoping it'd be Ballance but after his lack of CC runs, I doubt that.
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I guess a lot depends on Stokes being fit. I'd still say Ali or even Vince, but there's plenty to choose from the Championship circuit.
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Agree with @FattusCattus think they'll bring in Borthwick. Westley must be knocking on the door though.
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I think Borthwick deserves a chance. Scored lots of runs for Durham and also gives another spin bowling option if needed.
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The fact that Compton has been on dire form this season, why would you consider picking him?
If he was on good form then he would be ok against SL, but he wasn't!
Then you look at in-form County players and there are a few hitting centuries! I would leave Vince at 5 and possibly give Robson a go at 3?
But wouldn't be too disappointed if Borthwick was given a go!
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Root out
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Traditional English collapse
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First successful review.
10th time the charm for SL this series.
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Nick Browne should bat at 3
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Daniel Bell-Drummond @ 3 for me
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Alex Lees
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Vince to be left at 5 - not shown enough yet.
See! Told ya.
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Vince and Compton to go.
Borthwick and Westley to come in
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See ya Compdog, thanks for coming. A few more years in the wilderness for you.
I'm not a big fan of foot triggers, but jeez! The ball is half way down the wicket before he's worked out whether he's a batsman or an onion.
Echoing the calls for Borthwick at 3 for the Pakistan series.
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The ball is half way down the wicket before he's worked out whether he's a batsman or an onion.
Hohoho this did make me chuckle! Hope you don't mind if I steal it to add to my repertoire of cricket related put downs.
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Hohoho this did make me chuckle! Hope you don't mind if I steal it to add to my repertoire of cricket related put downs.
The sad part about it is I'm almost 100% certain he thinks he's an onion.
You're very welcome to use it, but I've paraphrased it from Jeremy Clarkson, so all plaudits must got to JC, if he's reading of course...
Getting back on topic, YJB going well again, is there anything he can't do? Apart from Sudoku, obviously.
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If Borthwick was really the next cab of the rank, he should have played this Test. You'd be pretty stiff to come in against Amir and Co...
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If Borthwick was really the next cab of the rank, he should have played this Test. You'd be pretty stiff to come in against Amir and Co...
Doesn't normally bother England they started and then discarded Michael Carberry's test career based on facing a furious Mitchell Johnson with a new ball.
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If Borthwick was really the next cab of the rank, he should have played this Test. You'd be pretty stiff to come in against Amir and Co...
Just seen the fixtures for the Pakistan Series, looking forward to the 4th ODI at Headingley, very long memories us northerners, they'll be merciless if he plays.
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Just seen the fixtures for the Pakistan Series, looking forward to the 4th ODI at Headingley, very long memories us northerners, they'll be merciless if he plays.
Amir copped a fair amount of verbals when he toured new Zealand, didn't really make much difference TBH...
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Vince and Compton to go.
Borthwick and Westley to come in
The uncertain positions are 2, 3 and 5. Hales at 2 is ok at the moment as he has had some success.
Vince at 5 has a good technique but it is very early days yet - give him a few chances to see how he does!! IMO number 5 shouldn't be up for discussion for a while yet. The only position up for discussion is number 3 as Compton is on shocking form so shouldn't be anywhere near the team at the moment.
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The uncertain positions are 2, 3 and 5. Hales at 2 is ok at the moment as he has had some success.
Vince at 5 has a good technique but it is very early days yet - give him a few chances to see how he does!! IMO number 5 shouldn't be up for discussion for a while yet. The only position up for discussion is number 3 as Compton is on shocking form so shouldn't be anywhere near the team at the moment.
I agree. Compton should be the only player up for discussion at the moment. Wholesale changes are very rarely the right way to do things.
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YJB is king
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Amir copped a fair amount of verbals when he toured new Zealand, didn't really make much difference TBH...
Ah yeah, forgot about the "Cash register" sound effect they had when he came on, poor taste but very, very funny!
Captain Fantastic going very well, how he's 15th best in the world is beyond me. Rose tinted spectacles I assume.
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Sorry chaps! :(
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Oh no Cook! What have you done bruh!
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@GoodLeave , it is all your fault. You jinxed Captain Cook. :D
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@GoodLeave , it is all your fault. You jinxed Captain Cook. :D
Apart from pulling middle out of the ground, shocking decision.
I take full responsibility for this, but only if I get Cook's match fee!
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Cashed out my bet on Cook to score 100 when he was in the 70's for double the money so I could put money of Bairstow ton... Glad I made the decision when the wicket fell..
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Half heartwood, Johnny Bairstow's GN. LOvely bat maker that GN.
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How was that Umpires Call? Lucky boy YJB!
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How was that Umpires Call? Lucky boy YJB!
Looked as if the ball was smashing full into leg stump on hawkeye, very lucky.
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Love you YJB
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Well done YJB, double it up.
@Calzehbhoy I hope you didn't cash out!? Spend those ill gotten gains on some new willow.
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Unfortunately I did! Cashed out with him on 83.... Doh!!! Still profit.
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"Bairstow century leads England's recovery"
This headline sums England's batting of the past 6 months!
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I believe I may have been telling you all for about three years that the Ginger Ninja with his Special Portable Pitch is the best batsman in England...
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I believe I may have been telling you all for about three years that the Ginger Ninja with his Special Portable Pitch is the best batsman in England...
You can't blame people for being sceptical/starting to write him off after 20 tests averaging just over 20.
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You've got to hand it to Jonny though, he's gone away sorted his game out and has come back better. That sort of determination deserves respect
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Brilliant stuff from bairstow...
Wonder if there is a recall on the cards for Ian bell. For England to stick with Compton for the Pakistan series would be a huge leap of faith....and I like Compton...but he is not looking like scoring a 50
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Carlo Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
Bell has scored no significant runs this season - there is enough ginger in the England side - give youth a chance, flakey old-timers can take a hike!
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I would be tempted to have the Essex opener (westley or something) come in, put Hales at three and Borthwick at 5. If Vince can't block a straight one on a Lord's road against gentle medium pace he will be in all sorts against Pakistan.
P.s. what a performance from Bairstow today. Shows the benefits of being still at the crease.
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Gents - is Bairstow the most Ginger cricketer England have? He seems to be a more auburn hue than Stokesy?
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Im convinced if anyone asked him he would actually say 'carrot'
Ginge is more like a reddish brown(like bell)
I would like to issue a warning to anyone googling 'ginge' to make sure the spelling is right
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Sounds like Borthwick is nailed on for the Pakistan series according to several papers. Can't argue that he's bang in form and players have to get experience at some point.
Pakistan's attack will be a significant step up from Sri Lanka's. A top order of; Cook, Hales, Borthwick, Root, Vince seems a bit light for me, but I'm not sure what the answer is. Probably Bairstow at 6 or 7, he seems to be digging England out of several holes. I guess the other advantage is having Stokes back (possibly) and Ali in some form. Whether that covers for 3 of the top 5 finding their way in test cricket I don't know.
We keep talking about age being an issue. It hasn't done Australia too far wrong with Rogers and now Voges, both playing into their late 30s, knowing their game inside out. Compton was brought back at the age of 32 - surely the thinking there was that an experienced player who we perhaps dropped too early is what England need at 3 with inexperienced players at 2 and 5? It hasn't worked because Compton's not good enough (which I suspect Cook has known all along, but he doesn't get a say...), not because the theory is flawed. I'm just a bit concerned that Hales hasn't cracked it yet, Vince looks good but that doesn't put runs on the board in isolation. Pakistan will be a test.
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Brilliant stuff from bairstow...
Wonder if there is a recall on the cards for Ian bell. For England to stick with Compton for the Pakistan series would be a huge leap of faith....and I like Compton...but he is not looking like scoring a 50
Should Compton get a another chance to bat this match he will be well aware he needs a score if he gets 40 plus he play against Pakistan same goes for Vince if they both fail making 2 changes in the top 5 batting order is not what England do.
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Sounds like Borthwick is nailed on for the Pakistan series according to several papers. Can't argue that he's bang in form and players have to get experience at some point.
Pakistan's attack will be a significant step up from Sri Lanka's. A top order of; Cook, Hales, Borthwick, Root, Vince seems a bit light for me, but I'm not sure what the answer is. Probably Bairstow at 6 or 7, he seems to be digging England out of several holes. I guess the other advantage is having Stokes back (possibly) and Ali in some form. Whether that covers for 3 of the top 5 finding their way in test cricket I don't know.
We keep talking about age being an issue. It hasn't done Australia too far wrong with Rogers and now Voges, both playing into their late 30s, knowing their game inside out. Compton was brought back at the age of 32 - surely the thinking there was that an experienced player who we perhaps dropped too early is what England need at 3 with inexperienced players at 2 and 5? It hasn't worked because Compton's not good enough (which I suspect Cook has known all along, but he doesn't get a say...), not because the theory is flawed. I'm just a bit concerned that Hales hasn't cracked it yet, Vince looks good but that doesn't put runs on the board in isolation. Pakistan will be a test.
Good points, i'm a bit more worried now thou against Pakistan, don't think anyone could dispute their bowling will cause us problems this summer.
Compton may not get another chance, my gut feeling thou is he does have the quality and against better bowling it will show. But he hasn't got the runs and is on borrowed time.....
Some of the Sky guys pointed out he is too still at the crease and not moving into the ball, so low on confidence and needs a slight adjustment technically.
The tough question is who is better to replace him, and who has the potential to able to cope against serious bowling.
slightly agree with Buzz, if some of the SL bowlers are causing us problem it's a worry. We should be 300-2 on this flat Lords deck....
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I would be tempted to have the Essex opener (westley or something) come in, put Hales at three and Borthwick at 5. If Vince can't block a straight one on a Lord's road against gentle medium pace he will be in all sorts against Pakistan.
P.s. what a performance from Bairstow today. Shows the benefits of being still at the crease.
Westley bats 3 for Essex, the openers are Jaik Mickelburgh (i'm not sure if that's the correct spelling) and Nick Browne
Westley's scored a lot of county runs so on the face of it would be the better choice but i'm not sure his technique would hold up in tests it just looks like he'd get found out - I guess we won't know unless he gets a go but that's just my thoughts
Browne looks very solid, been scoring consistent runs the last two seasons and for me looks the more compact of the two
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Brilliant stuff from bairstow...
Wonder if there is a recall on the cards for Ian bell. For England to stick with Compton for the Pakistan series would be a huge leap of faith....and I like Compton...but he is not looking like scoring a 50
Doesnt look like scoring 10 let alone 50!
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Doesnt look like scoring 10 let alone 50!
fair point !!! :)
@Seniorplayer is right thou as well.....England don't want to go into he Pak series making changes, one maybe but not two batting positions. Vince will be in on the '7' tests basis.
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Compton needs to go, think the pressure is getting to wee Joe as he's trying to play for the 2 batsman either side of him.
I mean the only one we have to worry about is Amir...
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I agree with the above, I doubt 2 changes are necessary, Compton should probably go and be replaced by (again probably) Borthwick based on form over the past couple of years, he's scored big runs with a home ground not exactly known for being a batting paradise. Vince is young and obviously talented, he deserves a fair run in the side, he should get at least the full Pakistan series before his place gets questioned.
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I agree with the above, I doubt 2 changes are necessary, Compton should probably go and be replaced by (again probably) Borthwick based on form over the past couple of years, he's scored big runs with a home ground not exactly known for being a batting paradise. Vince is young and obviously talented, he deserves a fair run in the side, he should get at least the full Pakistan series before his place gets questioned.
Borthwick played a single test if I remember right and bowled very average leggies.
On the basis there is something to work with spinning wise, he might get a go so you could be right. It's an option for us long term with a lengthy tour to bangla and india this year.
Again if my memory is right, Borthwick was a lower order batsman who has worked hard to get up the order and runs at Durham do count for more.
So if it is him next, it's well deserved.
:)
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Borthwick played a single test if I remember right and bowled very average leggies.
On the basis there is something to work with spinning wise, he might get a go so you could be right. It's an option for us long term with a lengthy tour to bangla and india this year.
Again if my memory is right, Borthwick was a lower order batsman who has worked hard to get up the order and runs at Durham do count for more.
So if it is him next, it's well deserved.
:)
Played one test against the Aussies and took a few wickets but went for runs. Steve Smith proved that with hard work it's possible to go from a young blonde lad who bowls bang average leggies and bats a bit, into a less young blonde lad who still bowls bang average leggies and a cracking top order batsman, so who knows!
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At the time of being picked for England he was a number 3 bat who hardly bowled because of a wrist injury, but was playing in Oz so was a convenient pick for the ECB.
He has started bowling with regularity again and has took plenty of wickets already this season to go alongside his runs, I still wouldn't want him bowling excessive overs but could certainly be useful. I can't find anywhere with 2016 stats alone so I don't know how many wickets he's took this season exactly.
16 wickets so far this season in all formats (10 games)
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Agreed, I think he had a game recently where he scored 2 centuries and took 6 wickets!
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Agreed, I think he had a game recently where he scored 2 centuries and took 6 wickets!
He scored 2 centuries with 2 wickets in one game and 188* with 8 wickets a couple of games later.
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Root,Bairstow,maybe Scotty borthwick, Jimmy A.
hard to argue with it:
'tis better ooop North'
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'When Yorkshire's strong, England's strong' - luckily, Yorkshire people don't like to go on about this.
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'When Yorkshire's strong, England's strong' - luckily, Yorkshire people don't like to go on about this.
If this was completely true we'd be terrible at white ball cricket
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Root,Bairstow,maybe Scotty borthwick, Jimmy A.
hard to argue with it:
'tis better ooop North'
Hales, Vince, Stokes, Woakes, Broad and Ball?
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Good knock from Woakes! Now Broad HAS to just defend and let JB do his thang!!
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Hales, Vince, Stokes, Woakes, Broad and Ball?
Stokes (since moving as a child from NZ) has always lived up north!
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150 up for YJB who was actually born in 'Ammersmith W6
well.... it is Friday afternoon!! :)
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150 up for YJB who was actually born in 'Ammersmith W6
well.... it is Friday afternoon!! :)
Well known suburb of Bradford is Hammersmith :D
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on Ikley moor bar tat, on ikley moor bar tat, ooonn ikleyyyyyyyy moor bar tat
or something like that. I had to sing that when I was a kid as we have a bloke from Batley,Yorks in our team...
it's actually a great sing song after a few pints
:)
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@d7bow thanks for the tickets today mate seats are top notch
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Rangana Herath is an old school master of the art of slow left arm spin. Depending on how long he plays, he's closing in on Daniel Vettori's 362 Test wickets
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@d7bow thanks for the tickets today mate seats are top notch
glad they are good @simonmay5 , they were priority booking 7-8 months ago. Gutted I'm having to watch in on tv!!
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Bairstow sports a look of bewilderment on his face. Is he still in shock that he's playing test cricket. Woakes body language was unbelievable (" can you eff-ing believe that!!!!")
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@d7bow , Lords test tickets are booked 7-8 months in advance?
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@d7bow , Lords test tickets are booked 7-8 months in advance?
well this is when they went on sale @InternalTraining and you could only get two and the tickets were balloted
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I remember having to apply for the ballot in October/November and being successful around January time. At Day 4 in the Edrich Lower which is apparently rather cold but with the weather looking shaky I'm glad I'll be covered...
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Not cold here today lovely weather
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After watching yesterday's play what have we learnt about Woakes he can score runs against an average bowling attack ( Hearth apart ) on a flat easy paced track.
Bowling lacks imagination without pitch help and overcast conditions to many balls straight or on the pads Easily picked off he needs to learn how to bowl consistently in the corridor of uncertainty still the nearly man.
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I think we've also learnt that as a collective, the England attack can make a flat track look even flatter!
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After watching yesterday's play what have we learnt about Woakes he can score runs against an average bowling attack ( Hearth apart ) on a flat easy paced track.
Bowling lacks imagination without pitch help and overcast conditions to many balls straight or on the pads Easily picked off he needs to learn how to bowl consistently in the corridor of uncertainty still the nearly man.
Strange, I didn't watch but every match report I've read in the media from yesterday has said Woakes bowled well, quickly and was unlucky... Also the scorecard seems to say he got more runs than all the top 6 except Cook and was our most economical bowler? Give the bloke a break.
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He bowled quicker than any one else but lacked guile to many balls on the wrong areas when he came into bat the pitch had flattened out batting became easier.
how many opportunities can you give anyone at this level.
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I think we've also learnt that as a collective, the England attack can make a flat track look even flatter!
They did yesterday but Anderson Broad and Finn have proven previously what they are capable of.
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Plumb from Woakes
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And Silva gets nicked off again, ta Nasser for the jinx
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Is chris woakes playing himself into this side for a decent run.
Wonder if its possible we play one less batsman and woakes and stokes together?
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And another!
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Is chris woakes playing himself into this side for a decent run.
Wonder if its possible we play one less batsman and woakes and stokes together?
would drop compton for stokes.
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is it just me or does perera's bat sound absolutely horrid?
seems to be hitting them well enough though!
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Alastair Cook copped a blow to knee off the blade of Perera. Looked to be in a bit of trouble.
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Is chris woakes playing himself into this side for a decent run.
Wonder if its possible we play one less batsman and woakes and stokes together?
Why would a side handicap itself but playing so many bits and pieces all rounders?
You need proper batsmen and proper bowlers. Not a collection of neither here nor there.
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Both could get into the side as batsmen and both are more than but part bowlers... Its the rest of the order Round them that could be an issue
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Time for Compton to shine with his stand-still tech.
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He really couldn't have been handed a better career lifeline
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That shot from Compton should shut up Warne about tech.
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And that's his test career done with
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Oh dear oh dear
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This is the England I know and love
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Chance for Vince to prove his quality.
Compton was far from the ball when he defended the ball.
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Pad up, Skip.
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No trigger, Vince? :o
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Might just be his action, but it looks like Eranga is chucking?
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All these GN bats have such beautiful bows. :D
Bairstow's is 50% heartwood.
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So
Side to face Pakistan?
Cook- yep. And cap
Hales- done enough to maintain the spot
Borthwick- Compton hasn't done enough and time to go.
Root- off course
Vince- will get another series despite not pulling up any roots.
Stokes- if recovers if not still woakes.
Bairstow- yep!
Ali- do we have anyone better? If borthwick scores runs and take wickets though.....)
Broad. Yep
Finn-could be replaced by ball if he doesn't get a good game soon
Anderson- yep
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I really want nick Browne in but can see your side and couldn't grumble with it pal
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Might just be his action, but it looks like Eranga is chucking?
He was reported for it last game.
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Vince is in a similar predicament to Lyth last year - keep getting very good balls. Never really sure how you work out if that's the batsmans fault or not.
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Vince just has something about him that makes me think he'll come good...
...but then I thought that about Lyth too
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Vince is in a similar predicament to Lyth last year - keep getting very good balls. Never really sure how you work out if that's the batsmans fault or not.
I think Lyths problem was just chasing wide ones and snicking off
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I think Lyths problem was just chasing wide ones and snicking off
This, Lyth was loose and chased the ball and so got out. He wasn't 'unlucky'
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Vince I've thought should be in for a while. Slightly worried the way he is getting out thou-maybe it's just me.
Compton gonna stick my neck on the line should be kept for Pakistan. But I think if England drop him it's a bit left field but stokes and woakes to play in the same side.
Woakes has surprised a bit and deserves a chance. He's a bit quicker than before and can def hold a bat
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Might just be his action, but it looks like Eranga is chucking?
Er, yes? He's been reported.
If you are chucking, it is your action. No 'might just be'!
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So, how many people still believe Nick Compton is a better batsman than Jonny Bairstow, like they did six months ago?
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Er, yes? He's been reported.
If you are chucking, it is your action. No 'might just be'!
Oh good, you're back to being grumpy. Awesome. I guess being civilised was getting a little lame.
For what it's worth, I didn't know he'd been reported. Also, Sam pointed it out earlier (Politely) but thanks for confirming!
Anyway, enough of the trolling, cricket is on! Subject to weather of course.
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Oh good, you're back to being grumpy. Awesome. I guess being civilised was getting a little lame.
For what it's worth, I didn't know he'd been reported. Also, Sam pointed it out earlier (Politely) but thanks for confirming!
Anyway, enough of the trolling, cricket is on! Subject to weather of course.
This is cbf, people don't read the entire thread and then reply. They read till they find something they can jump on and than smash the reply button as hard as they can with there foreheads to try and get an Internet one upmanship.
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This is cbf, people don't read the entire thread and then reply. They read till they find something they can jump on and than smash the reply button as hard as they can with there foreheads to try and get an Internet one upmanship.
You Northern people are so funny when your danders are up :D
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Vince I've thought should be in for a while. Slightly worried the way he is getting out thou-maybe it's just me.
Compton gonna stick my neck on the line should be kept for Pakistan. But I think if England drop him it's a bit left field but stokes and woakes to play in the same side.
Woakes has surprised a bit and deserves a chance. He's a bit quicker than before and can def hold a bat
Agree Compton needs to remember that the selectors included him to play his natural game and forget what he reads in the media.
Woakes batting on that pitch in those conditions against that bowling attack doesn't really tell us if he's test class.
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I remember having to apply for the ballot in October/November and being successful around January time. At Day 4 in the Edrich Lower which is apparently rather cold but with the weather looking shaky I'm glad I'll be covered...
Are you freezing your preverbials off @rickjames ? Google weather says it should be a balmy 16C!
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Sat in my seat now and its hammering it down, thank God I'm in the lower tiers. View isn't too bad either.
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Following it on bbc tms from sunny Portugal hoping England can bat well today!
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I'm sorry, but a lot of you had thrown most of this excellent group of cricketers - Stokes, Bairstow, Cook, and Broad included - on the scrapheap.
One of you even had Joe Root learning to keep wicket in the year he became (arguably) the best batsman in the world.
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Sat in my seat now and its hammering it down, thank God I'm in the lower tiers. View isn't too bad either.
Get yourself in the shop Rick and report back on if they've got anything special in stock.
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I've seen Alastair Cook bat at 7 and play a reverse sweep AND a ramp shot. Put a fork in me, I'm done
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I've seen Alastair Cook bat at 7 and play a reverse sweep AND a ramp shot. Put a fork in me, I'm done
...AND a big moooooooo over cow corner for six off of a seamer.
The end of the world kind of stuff is happening!
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He he just biffed it for 6...can i borrow the fork please
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I can't believe I was here to witness that!
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Skipper declaring on 49* #village
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Skipper declaring on 49* #village
Seem to look up the score when he turned around as he was running off. Cooky's face looked a little gutted haha
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Cook's six. He doesn't half hit it well
https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/742043282012704768
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The apocalypse is upon us, the end is nigh.
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I'm in a dark room still after watch cook today....
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Maybe he felt like he Kneeded to up the tempo
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The apocalypse is upon us, the end is nigh.
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I missed all this!!!
I love this guy!!!
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T20 and ODI squads announced today!
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Good to see us giving mills a try. 'He has wheels' as they say
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Also great to see
At last Dawid Malan being added as he's been in great form for the past 2 seasons and fully deserves his chance
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Eranga banned for his suspect action. All deliveries exceeding the 15 degree limit.
Unfortunately he's been admitted to hospital after a high heart rate after batting in the match against Ireland.
Hope he gets well soon, and stops chucking it.
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I missed all this!!!
I love this guy!!!
Captain Cook knocking on the doors of one-day team :-)
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Captain Cook knocking on the doors of one-day team :-)
haha !! quality :)
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Eng win toss and field. Pitch is a batters paradise. Odd to not see Jordan or Finn and two spinners...
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Decent stuff from Willey so far!
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Don't understand Tharanga batting at 7.
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Not exactly sure why hales has reviewed that! He's middled it! No more reviews left
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England being England
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This is an absolute shambles
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Were all over the shop here
Where is A.Cook ? :)
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We take so much pride in being awful
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Excellent stuff by Sri Lanka.
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When you order your Buttler to dig you out of a rather big hole
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Wonderful hands thou Butler.
And he's a least got us a chance.
Top effort from Woakes as well
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Buttler playing brilliantly. England should win this now.
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His running between the wickets is seriously exceptional
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That was a no ball. Unlucky Willey and England.
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That's a mighty fine call for getting away with a no ball
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In what world was that not a no ball??
Do they see the same pictures as us?
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N0 BAAAWWL !! :)
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That's shocking
Defo no ball
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Terrible umpiring. Clearly chocked and didn't want to make the right decision. Tbh, that wasn't even one of those marginal ones where it could go either way. Clearly a no ball and very poor from the 3rd umpire
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Plunkett still using one of roots bats.
Does he really like it? Or has he not replaced all the ones he broke in that t20??
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Six !!!
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LIAM 'CARLOS BRATHWAITE' PLUNKETT
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What a finish!!!
Haha, sri lanka too busy celebrating and Plunkett took 3 then smashed a massive six to tie.
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That will teach Sri Lanka to celebrate too early!
Woakes man of the match
Liam Plunkett, legend!
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What a finish!
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What a finish. Well done England and Plunkett
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unbelieveable
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Bloody brilliant from plunkett, woakes and butler, top order - a lot to work on.
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So England's tactic of playing countless average bits and pieces players finally bears fruit...same bits and pieces players don't get the job done against the elite sides...
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Can you Adam and Eve it.
The most village piece of fielding I've ever seen in International Cricket, No, all cricket, has cost Sri Lanka the game.
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Hales and Roy batting 10 and 11 next game.
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So England's tactic of playing countless average bits and pieces players finally bears fruit...same bits and pieces players don't get the job done against the elite sides...
Reason being because they all can bat a bit lower down which paid of today and shows what can be done with having players coming in 8,9,10 and even 11 who can bat.
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Reason being because they all can bat a bit lower down which paid of today and shows what can be done with having players coming in 8,9,10 and even 11 who can bat.
Wouldn't be getting any change outta Mitchell Starc.
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Wouldn't be getting any change outta Mitchell Starc.
Mitchell Starc Who?
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Oxenford might have actually done England a favour because Willey was going nowhere with the bat.
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So England's tactic of playing countless average bits and pieces players finally bears fruit...same bits and pieces players don't get the job done against the elite sides...
You're really a repressed England fan I'm sure of it. U seem to watch every game we play.
:)
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England top order and Sri Lanka bowling/fielding were complete disasters. Well played - Matthews, Butler & Woakes !!
Plunkett ... you are a legend :D ... Hitting a six of the last ball is fantastic but he managed to hit that six when only 2 was needed !
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So England's tactic of playing countless average bits and pieces players finally bears fruit...same bits and pieces players don't get the job done against the elite sides...
Err where?
Woakes is currently in the test team and opens for his county. Plunkett has been in the test team and is a regular in the touring party. Rashid played in the UAE in tests. Willey opens the bowling for Yorkshire. Ali is in the test team.
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Err where?
Woakes is currently in the test team and opens for his county. Plunkett has been in the test team and is a regular in the touring party. Rashid played in the UAE in tests. Willey opens the bowling for Yorkshire. Ali is in the test team.
I don't like defending him but
Ali is bits and pieces
Willey is medium plod bits and pieces
Roy is a miss or hit batter
The fact someone plays test cricket now doesn't make them good.. Standards are low in test cricket sadly.
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I don't like defending him but
Ali is bits and pieces
Willey is medium plod bits and pieces
Roy is a miss or hit batter
The fact someone plays test cricket now doesn't make them good.. Standards are low in test cricket sadly.
I'll give you Ali, but Willey is a bit harsh and the others you have declined to mention, which indicates they are indeed specialist bowlers. Let's put it this way, England may have 1 bits and pieces player and 4 specialist bowlers who are decent batsman.
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The Woakes moaning posts are dropping by the day! ;)
Aren't ODIs the home of bits and pieces players anyway? Every team in the world has at least a couple - Jadeja/Pandya, Maxwell/Faulkner, Morris/Wiese/Duminy/Behardien/Phangiso, usually 4 or 5 of any NZ XI, etc etc. The domestic MVP last year in the south group one day comp was Benny Howell, who is the definition of bits and pieces. You need all-rounders and genuine ones don't exactly grow on trees.
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The Woakes moaning posts are dropping by the day! ;)
Aren't ODIs the home of bits and pieces players anyway? Every team in the world has at least a couple - Jadeja/Pandya, Maxwell/Faulkner, Morris/Wiese/Duminy/Behardien/Phangiso, usually 4 or 5 of any NZ XI, etc etc. The domestic MVP last year in the south group one day comp was Benny Howell, who is the definition of bits and pieces. You need all-rounders and genuine ones don't exactly grow on trees.
The guy who's batting average is better than everyone bar Root's in the England team...yeah pretty decent for bits and pieces
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The guy who's batting average is better than everyone bar Root's in the England team...yeah pretty decent for bits and pieces
Go make your own topic and stop invading the England SL topic with your comments!
You are forever knocking anything English - so why are you still in London? Why don't you go somewhere you'll be liked?
Actually I may start a rugby topic about the latest games! ;)
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Well if these bit and piece cricketers keep performing and winning games then who cares.
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Go make your own topic and stop invading the England SL topic with your comments!
You are forever knocking anything English - so why are you still in London? Why don't you go somewhere you'll be liked?
Actually I may start a rugby topic about the latest games! ;)
Did you not hear, Pete? Much like the England Cricket Team, the England Rugby team are only winning at the moment because they are playing poor opposition... Put them up against a decent team and they'd get shown up ;)
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Did you not hear, Pete? Much like the England Cricket Team, the England Rugby team are only winning at the moment because they are playing poor opposition... Put them up against a decent team and they'd get shown up ;)
Good point! Aren't England only playing the current 4th best rugby team in the world! Whereas England are the 2nd best I believe! ;)
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The Woakes moaning posts are dropping by the day! ;)
I've seen this wirh so many others. I think too many on here apply a club cricketer's 'snap judgement' mindset.
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The guy who's batting average is better than everyone bar Root's in the England team...yeah pretty decent for bits and pieces
Bet you've watched all the England games you sneaky dog. See you at Edgbaston tomorrow then? We all know you'll be glued to the England game. Definitely a closet England supporter. Can't wait for your posts tomorrow - "oh I wasn't really watching it / I glanced at the highlights". Admit it you love England, why else would you be here ;)
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Bet you've watched all the England games you sneaky dog. See you at Edgbaston tomorrow then? We all know you'll be glued to the England game. Definitely a closet England supporter. Can't wait for your posts tomorrow - "oh I wasn't really watching it / I glanced at the highlights". Admit it you love England, why else would you be here ;)
The weather one presumes. Forever bloody sunny in Straya... Must get annoying.
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i'm holding out the hand of friendship to you Aussie, and it's genuine, to be an adopted England fan. We can sing Jerusalem together with a can of xxxx to share.
You gave us Kylie and her bottom, and us Brits will be forever grateful, you also gave Rolf Harris let's gloss over that.
Our Countries have so much in common, I've been to Australia and was made more than welcome watching the Ashes over there. Never have I been made more welcome anywhere in the world.
Come on....come on in with us England, we can even talk about the 90's when we got bushed every Ashes, Taylor and Marsh putting on 300 in a day remember that in 1989?-we didn't look like getting a wicket all month and then Steve Waugh came in and had a laugh-we couldn't get him out either....
come on in son the water is warm, get the St George flag out and breathe in.... :o
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SL win toss and bat. England unchanged. Mathews can't bowl.
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What are the predictions then? Whos going to get wickets/ runs??
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Hehehehehehe ....watching 2nd o.d.i and just saw the umpires arm guard- face protector - perspex ping pong bat thingy ! Wow ! Why not an aero face guard , helmet etc ? I suppose good luck to him but I wouldnt use it for quids . At least it's multi purpose - it holds note pads , pens and who knows what else .....'swiss army umpire gadget' !
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Great bit of fielding by Roy!
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A helmet wouldn't protect a ball coming at your ribs and or other vulnerable male areas shall we say. Not a fan myself but if an umpire is safer then fair enough.
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Mathews ODI record is pretty outstanding average 40 and 4000 runs but only a solitary century 😱
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Mathews ODI record is pretty outstanding average 40 and 4000 runs but only a solitary century 😱
Cursed him!
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Great partnership here from the openers so far
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Hales has tonned up and just said 'ah screw it'
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The crowd is absolutely rocking!
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First time both England openers have hit two sixes in an ODI!
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Highest ODI partnership from a pair of England openers as well
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Rooty even singing along to Delilah <3
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Pad rash for Root at 3...
If it was a club game you would be reluctant for hand over match subs! :)
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JJ ROY YA BEAUTY
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Would love to the see the SL version of "The Verdict" tonight...
"Let's look at the England Wick... Ah..."
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Pad rash for Root at 3...
If it was a club game you would be reluctant for hand over match subs! :)
At least he got a bowl!
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Should be allowed to bat their 50 overs, only seems fair.
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Unreal!
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The crowd is absolutely rocking!
I was there today and towards the end the atmosphere was brilliant. Loads of signing and some good natured stick for the oppo. Hales and Roy batted beautifully but can't help thinking Lakmal and Pradeep were under used. Both caused issues of sorts and the spinners were fodder. Sri Lanka didn't get enough but there was a little variable bounce and batting didn't look at easy for England initially.
Reds was also there in amongst the bananas!
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atmosphere at edgebaston is really intimidating for the oppo
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Hales and Roy batting 10 and 11 next game.
think your threat worked @Sivlar13 ;)
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Batting masterclass from Roy & Hales !!
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think your threat worked @Sivlar13 ;)
They saw my comment mate and decided to buck their ideas up haha
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Morgan wins toss and elects to bowl, Moeen out for Jordan.
Who plans these games? I must admit it seems bizarre to do Bristol > London > Cardiff , surely those last two are better the other way round? Good to see these games go to smaller grounds though
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Swinging Willey
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Moeen Ali's bowling averages in both Test and ODIs has ticked over 40...can't bowl for toffee
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SL batting is on fire ! Lets see if their bowlers can back them up ...
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Bizarre that Sri Lanka only get 5 runs added by the D/L method when they were only 1 down when they went off
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Jason Roy is king. Great knock from Root as well
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Roy is life. Roy is love.
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Johnny bairstow
Using the supernova,
Thought he as a players man
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Hope Aussie is enjoying us bat...we know he's watching
:)
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Roy on course to get the highest ODI innings by an England player.
TIL Strauss had 3x scores of 150+
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Ah balls
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Well batted Roy
Moustache like a gun slinger,open neck shirt,hit it HARD,Robin Smith and his Gray Nichols.saw it-brilliant knock against the Aussies.Still the best.
:)
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And just to think, as recently as the South Africa series people were calling for Roy to be axed...
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Easy money!!
Sri Lankans lucky they got a rained off draw here.!
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And just to think, as recently as the South Africa series people were calling for Roy to be axed...
Were they?
Also Maharoof can do one, you look like a bellend when you stop to mankad someone when he's in their crease and hasn't gone anywhere
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Roy's batting is a delight to watch ... he might have missed eng's personal best record by 5 runs but i am sure this dude is going to whack a 200 or something against someone for sure !
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A lovely day
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Hope Aussie is enjoying us bat...we know he's watching
:)
This tosh about 'new England', the two series against the premier ODI sides(Australia and South Africa) England lost. Whilst both Australia and South Africa where undermanned.
All good and well doing it against the also rans...
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Jason Roy's found his level at ODI cricket, Sri Lanka who's bowling attack isn't too dissimilar to a division 2 Mickey Mouse attack...
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If you feed him he will come
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He is kinda right though, SL ARE VERY POOR, so you can't take anything from this series. It is like men vs boys
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They may be rubbish but we still need to beat them because they are still in the tournaments
Otherwise we will have the same problem as the football team
The mentality of "on this will be easy, they're only Iceland"
Look how that turned out
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They may be rubbish but we still need to beat them because they are still in the tournaments
Otherwise we will have the same problem as the football team
The mentality of "on this will be easy, they're only Iceland"
Look how that turned out
exactly....for those of us who have been watching England for a long time, we couldn't even beat the average teams.England were too arrogant for too long, no one has a divine right to win anything.
I'm really exited about this new one day team, we are playing a great style of cricket. SL are not the best true, but if you cannot beat these teams we will never compete with the better ones.
the England football team I can only presume, thought they would beat the minnows...again an arrogance not backed up by results.We have to go back to '96 for the last time we looked like we could win a major tournament.
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Runs are runs, wins are wins no matter the opposition. If they are good enough to play international cricket then no excuses.
In agreement that this SL team is probably the worst team they've ever had
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Jason Roy's found his level at ODI cricket, Sri Lanka who's bowling attack isn't too dissimilar to a division 2 Mickey Mouse attack...
Yeah, true, he only has an average of 40+ against the poor teams.. Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia.
Struggles against the better teams like South Africa and New Zealand.
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Yeah, true, he only has an average of 40+ against the poor teams.. Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia.
Struggles against the better teams like South Africa and New Zealand.
Pakistan are a woeful limited over sides and that's been the case for a few years now...
As I said an undermanned Australian side. Mitchell Starc would rip Roy a new one.
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Pakistan are a woeful limited over sides and that's been the case for a few years now...
As I said an undermanned Australian side. Mitchell Starc would rip Roy a new one.
Has Starc improved that much in 12 months? I'm impressed. He didn't seem to "rip him a new one" last year.
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Has Starc improved that much in 12 months? I'm impressed. He didn't seem to "rip him a new one" last year.
Starc is undisputed best bowler in ODI cricket.
As for last year Roy probably had a log in his pants from seeing Cummins launching them down at 155kph
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the only thing Cummins can launch himself onto is the physio's bench
:)
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As I said an undermanned Australian side. Mitchell Starc would rip Roy a new one.
According to the latest stats, in the WI game (June 26th, 2016) he was 0/32?
If that's ripping someone a new one, I can only presume Moeen Ali is turning it around corners?
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According to the latest stats, in the WI game (June 26th, 2016) he was 0/32?
If that's ripping someone a new one, I can only presume Moeen Ali is turning it around corners?
And Nick Compton was hitting it to all parts... ;)
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I watched the highlights on YouTube last night. I admit I haven't been following english cricket for some time, so I was surprised that England got up and won and did so well. Even as some have mentioned the SL line up was't the best, chasing 300+ is still a pretty big task and many a good batting team have failed trying.
All credit to the England team!!!
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Definitely a crap ODI side we've got lads, the stats allure from the World Cup onwards prove it http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1031205.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1031205.html)
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Definitely a crap ODI side we've got lads, the stats allure from the World Cup onwards prove it [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1031205.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1031205.html[/url])
No point peaking after the World Cup...
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No point peaking after the World Cup...
At last! A sensible post that's not trolling or talking out of your other end!
A comment sprouting from you that I agree with!
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At last! A sensible post that's not trolling or talking out of your other end!
A comment sprouting from you that I agree with!
While I agree with the sentiment, we must remember that England haven't peaked yet. ;)
It's a change of personnel has resulted in the improvement, and with plenty of time for the new group of players to grow as a team they could do something special at the next world cup.
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Vince scores 51, man's got chops!
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While I agree with the sentiment, we must remember that England haven't peaked yet. ;)
It's a change of personnel has resulted in the improvement, and with plenty of time for the new group of players to grow as a team they could do something special at the next world cup.
To win the big ICC limited overs events you need a gun bowling attack not just batsmen going out slogging relentlessly.
India failed to defend their 50 over title due to their weak attack, their batsmen have always been pretty world class with the willow.
England's attack is very ordinary and the only world class bowler(Finn) doesn't get a game.
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I want to like Finn , but just feel he's holding himself back a bit?
Just wish he'd let rip , not very English tho
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If Buttler batted like this, he would have stayed in the test team.
Unfortunately he seems lost against the red ball
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If Buttler batted like this, he would have stayed in the test team.
Unfortunately he seems lost against the red ball
Totally different game white ball to red ball. You can't take anything from white ball form to red. Bowlers haven't got silly restrictions and generally are higher quality
Buttler hasn't got the technique for red ball.. Accept it
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Totally different game white ball to red ball. You can't take anything from white ball form to red. Bowlers haven't got silly restrictions and generally are higher quality
Buttler hasn't got the technique for red ball.. Accept it
David Warner, B-Mac & KP seem to transfer skills just fine?
As much as I love a leave. I don't think Red ball is all about plodding.
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David Warner, B-Mac & KP seem to transfer skills just fine?
As much as I love a leave. I don't think Red ball is all about plodding.
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Buttler is no warmer
Or KP
Bmac wasn't that good at tests but he was also better than buttler
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David Warner, B-Mac & KP seem to transfer skills just fine?
As much as I love a leave. I don't think Red ball is all about plodding.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Yes, there is a slight change in the tactics in red ball cricket such as fielding positions and perhaps player quality.
I think the problem is the English players feel that they have to change the way they play for test cricket, whereas Warner, McCullum and co just go hard, they don't seem to have a fear of failing and when it comes off they put their team in a great position early on.
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And a T20 to round it all off. Excited to see Mills have a go
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Buttler opening with Roy? This could be fun
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I wanted to see Malan open with Roy myself!
And put Buttler in at 6 with Billings missing out.
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Happy to see Billings personally, harsh on Malan but realistically he's only backup at best for the top three with Roy/Hales/Root/Vince all ahead of him at present. Think Billings is only a few breakthrough innings away from being a real force in t20.
Like the experiment with Buttler up the order too! He can be a bit wasted at times at 6 in t20 so good to see England trying him out up top, even if opening rather than 3/4 isn't what you'd expect. Why not though, he scores enough runs when he only has 10 overs to bat in, give him 20 overs to play with and hope for fireworks.
Oh and so glad Mills is finally in an England shirt. There's no sight in sport like a seriously rapid bowler.
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This is some shambolic running from Sri Lanka
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Again, it's like watching 11 Hafeez's
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Some shocking cricket from SL. Losing that many wickets against spin!
Disappointing Sri Lanka batted first, won't be chasing much
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Again, it's like watching 11 Hafeez's
I was just thinking the same.
I can only assume that "Yes" and "No" sound very similar in Sinhalese.
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Bit of a kick in the teeth for young Malan when he's worked hard as an opener to earn an international call up, only to be snubbed in favour of a mad slogger like Buttler. Who's technical skill is minimal
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Bit of a kick in the teeth for young Malan when he's worked hard as an opener to earn an international call up, only to be snubbed in favour of a mad slogger like Buttler. Who's technical skill is minimal
This would be 'young' Malan who's several years older than Buttler and in fact the third oldest member of the England squad? Try harder ;)
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A++++++++++++++++++ , you never stop serving up absolute drivel.
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That check drive for a six by Butler was something else!
One day, I am going to sit down with Butler and chat with him about that six.
And, as I type this, he goes again! He is the right guy for the job.
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Bit of a kick in the teeth for young Malan when he's worked hard as an opener to earn an international call up, only to be snubbed in favour of a mad slogger like Buttler. Who's technical skill is minimal
Obviously you have know clue complete rubbish you keep chatting s**t yes malan has been given a call up and done very well for middlesex but better than buttler is crazy 🙉
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Bit of a kick in the teeth for young Malan when he's worked hard as an opener to earn an international call up, only to be snubbed in favour of a mad slogger like Buttler. Who's technical skill is minimal
Man should research his trolls.
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Definitely some minimal technical skill from Buttler here, ah.
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I'm amazed the hype Buttler gets from the deluded Poms...
He's dipping his bread against a woeful Sri Lankan side, dare I say it none of their bowlers would be capable in the second division of the county championship...
Buttler's record is padded up against the weak sides.
His ODI record against Australia, New Zealand and India is weak as hell. Even his record against South Africa is offset by 1 century and 4 failures...
Buttler's pathetic first record(majority of his career he played on a road in Somerset) shows he has little technical ability...
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I'm amazed the hype Buttler gets from the deluded Poms...
He's dipping his bread against a woeful Sri Lankan side, dare I say it none of their bowlers would be capable in the second division of the county championship...
Buttler's record is padded up against the weak sides.
His ODI record against Australia, New Zealand and India is weak as hell. Even his record against South Africa is offset by 1 century and 4 failures...
Buttler's pathetic first record(majority of his career he played on a road in Somerset) shows he has little technical ability...
Have you researched this one? Or just guessing again?
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Every one of the Sky commentators rate him very highly, all of them have played test cricket, alright nick knight fair enough not sure what he is on about but are they all wrong?
I think England are going to pick him in the tests against Pakistan.
And yes I am a Pom :)
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His ODI averages against Australia/India/New Zealand are 33/26/31
His T20 averages against Australia/India/New Zealand 14/34/57
So yeah, definitely all round pathetic often batting at 6 with no technical ability whatsoever
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Every one of the Sky commentators rate him very highly, all of them have played test cricket, alright nick knight fair enough not sure what he is on about but are they all wrong?
I think England are going to pick him in the tests against Pakistan.
And yes I am a Pom :)
Can't wait to see Amir end his Test career.
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Have you researched this one? Or just guessing again?
73 first class matches
112 innings
3294 runs
32.29 average
4 hundreds
About as crap as you can get...
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About as crap as you can get...
Yet still an Ashes winner ;)
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Yet still an Ashes winner ;)
George Bailey boasts that on his CV as well....
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73 first class matches
112 innings
3294 runs
32.29 average
4 hundreds
About as crap as you can get...
Boom. Thank you for wasting your time fetching the stats. I achieved my goal tonight. Night.
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What the Aussies would give right now for a keeper who can both catch and remember which end of the bat to hold.
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I wish I was crap enough to have 4 first class hundreds at an average of 32 and an Ashes winners medal.
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Can't wait to see Amir end his Test career.
I can't wait to see Amir end his Test career either, as a convicted spot fixer he should have received a life ban anyway really...
#WeCanAllQuoteStuffOutOfContext
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About as crap as you can get...
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What the Aussies would give right now for a keeper who can both catch and remember which end of the bat to hold.
Hmmm....i think we've already got one in Nevill . Last Ashes was his debut . Since the he's had very limited opportunity. He does have a first class average over 40 , and given time to settle , and opportunities to build an innings , he can come good . I think he is a better bat than Haddin .
Now , if you're talking only about Wade , then that's totally fair . He couldn't catch a cold in an antarctic winter . Worst gloveman Australia have used in my lifetime.
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What the Aussies would give right now for a keeper who can both catch and remember which end of the bat to hold.
Peter Nevill?
About as useful behind the stumps at the minute as Gary Neville.
If Jos is as bad as it gets, you should check out Pommie Mbangwa's stats. I love him to bits as a commentator, but jeez, the bloke could not bat!
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Peter Nevill?
About as useful behind the stumps at the minute as Gary Neville.
If Jos is as bad as it gets, you should check out Pommie Mbangwa's stats. I love him to bits as a commentator, but jeez, the bloke could not bat!
Think I'll let that one go through to the keeper :D