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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: singapore rookie on November 25, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
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Anyone going to the ICC World Cup 2019 and does anyone have any spare tickets for the Finals at Lords?
I am watching the India versus Srilanka and Semi Final 2.
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Registered for tickets and was then horrified by the prices. To be fair, there are some midweek bargains if you don't mind watching anyone except England.
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How are the ticket prices this time? I was at the 2015 WC and saw Ind v SA for just 20 aussie dollars and the final for 110 aussie dollars. Since both the games were at mcg. Overall i felt ticket prices were quite reasonable.
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Giving this a bump. Got my tickets away which has made me rather excited. Also they've announced the commentators, no Bumble or inane nonsense from Warney is disappointing
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^ Thanks for posting this. I'll start practicing with the mute button asap.
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Mark Nicklaus :(
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For what I worth I think it's fairly well balanced, only people I don't like on there on Sanjay Manjrekar, Nicholas and Clarke. 3 women is a bit naff.
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3 women? I only see 2. I like Isa Guha!
Some people on that panel should be paid to not commentate.
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Isa Guha, Mel Jones, Alison Mitchell
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For what I worth I think it's fairly well balanced, only people I don't like on there on Sanjay Manjrekar, Nicholas and Clarke. 3 women is a bit naff.
Nothing wrong with having women commentate but Isa Guha is useless. Poor knowledge and offers nothing to the viewer.
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Travelling from NZ to watch the NZ vs England game at Emirates Riverside. Can't wait.
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found out yesterday that my old man has bought me tickets to NZ vs SA at Edgbaston as a 40th birthday present - there are some benefits of getting old it seems!
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I am going for India VS Eng
India Vs Bangladesh
India Vs Srilanka games
I may have one extra ticket for India Vs Bangladesh and India Vs Srilanka games
Any one interested DM me
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Here is your England squad for the World Cup from a reliable source
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No surprises there as expected by most the swing of willey would have been an handful if it's overcast though
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looks a decent squad,
feel for Denly, he was picked on the back of top order runs and a few overs for Kent and then asked to bowl plenty of overs and bat down the order, doesn't quite add up but stereotypical England, pick someone as they've done well doing something then ask them to do the opposite and winder why they're not performing as well!
I just hope plunektt finds a bit of form and can get a bit of pace back that hes seemed to be missing for a while!
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Got to feel a bit sorry for Willey
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the swing of willey would have been a handful
Fnrr!! :)
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looks a decent squad,
feel for Denly, he was picked on the back of top order runs and a few overs for Kent and then asked to bowl plenty of overs and bat down the order, doesn't quite add up but stereotypical England, pick someone as they've done well doing something then ask them to do the opposite and winder why they're not performing as well!
I just hope plunektt finds a bit of form and can get a bit of pace back that hes seemed to be missing for a while!
He got a fair few chances with the bat without ever really doing anything though didn’t he. And the spot they were looking to fill is for a back up spinner primarily.
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always tough when it comes to the crunch, didn't think Denly would make the final cut but you have to feel a bit sorry for Willey
essentially Archer has taken his place.
hard but the right call I think to get the very best players in the starting 11
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Willey will not be happy today. Especially unfortunate as hes bowled pretty well in the Pakistan series
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he is one of the player outspoken about losing his place to someone just coming in to the squad.
not sure who could of been left out, only thing I would say myself is Plunkett...maybe Wood and save him for the Ashes?
once Archer shows his skills he had to play really....
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Archer had to come in and Dawson for Denly made sense. I would have taken Willey in place of Wood however
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Dawson for Denly i think was a pretty simple choice.
It's defiantly harsh on Willey but when you look at who is going to/can bowl when (out of the seamers), then Willey simply was always going to be the one left out.
New Ball - Woakes and Archer (or Wood) will get the new ball over him (even with the Left Arm option difference)
Middle overs - Plunkett, Archer, Wood, Woakes and Curran are all options who have pace and/or variation to take wickets in the middle
Death overs - Archer and Curran are specialist death bowlers - miles better the Willey
Willey has 5 overs at the start and not that much else - as shown when the Pakistan tailenders took a liking to him the other day
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maybe that game swayed the selectors a bit. Woakes bowled well, andas @edge pointed out Curran has come in and done well, scored runs in pressure situations too.
Wood has a history of injury, perhaps he was a borderline pick, extra pace yes but he is not out and out fast anymore.
all in all it looks like the best team we could have will get on the park. Archer could be a big boost for us.
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I am very excited by this
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I am very excited by this
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if this is the shirt its a vast improvement! i will be getting one!
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I feel sorry for Willey but a few overs of swing isn't a particularly valuable addition to England's bowling tool box so I understand why he was left out.
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No issues with Archer for Willey in the squad but I get the feeling that ECB changed the qualification rules from 7 to 3 years just to ensure that Archer will qualify before WC and Ashes.
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A better shot. It's absolutely beautiful
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A better shot. It's absolutely beautiful
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It's definitely a nod to the 1992 kit.....
(https://i.postimg.cc/W3Bzw2jg/cricket-world-cup-1992-australia-england-v-zimbabwe-at-albury-zi.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygT7VCD8)
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I actually think it’s horrendous
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No ones tellin me this new kit beats the 1992 outfit
Brilliantly shown for all to see in the photo.
Progress? Modern style? Shove it!!
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Count me in on that, its stunning. But I am a Coventry City fan...!
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Really like the new kit, but would personally have preferred navy trousers instead of sky blue!
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Don't like it. Looks like satin pyjamas.
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Really like the new kit, but would personally have preferred navy trousers instead of sky blue!
This! i reckon this would look so so good!
love the new shirt the trousers are a little too much!
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Really like the new kit, but would personally have preferred navy trousers instead of sky blue!
Promo photos for the non WC shirt featuring the sponsor on the front seem to have navy trousers, so I suspect the lighter blue trousers may be for the WC only.
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that looks much better!
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Just ordered the non world cup version for my son from Barringtons. Code SAVE20 got me it for £30 delivered.
I think it's one of the better shirts of recent years.
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I’ve ordered one, best one they’ve brought out for years
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Archer and wood go off injured in the warm up game. Wood’s looked more serious than archer
Think it’s pretty childish booing Warner and smith
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I agree, the booing of Warner and Smith is unnecessary, but entirely expected. They are probably going to have to deal with much worse in the near future though.
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They will cop more of it and it's expected. Put the shoe on the other foot, they would hound us in their backyard.
Wish the players wouldn't go throwing themselves around in a fairly meaningless game
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Boo him all you like, the lad is picking up where he left off. Class is class
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Steven Smith with his first century since his ban. Batted rather nicely
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Cricket fans are in for a frustrating world cup if that Smith decision is to be the standard of umpiring throughout, cor blimey that is a howler :o
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Don’t think the booing of smith or warner will bother them overly. I wouldn’t myself if I was in the crowd but they can have no complaints really. It wasn’t the act of ball tampering so much as the bear faced lies to try to cover it and let a junior member take the rap.
Nothing changes the fact that both Smith and Warner are superb batsmen-there’s no argument there
The Aussies could make it far if they both fire.
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Bairstow and Roy destroying Afganstan bowling 76 off 7 overs.
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They will do this to almost every team in the tournament. No mercy.
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I note from the Cricinfo report that Root was bowling a mixture of offies and leggies - indeed picking up one of his wickets with a deceptive leg-break.
I was mildly intrigued as I wasn't aware he could mix it up like this, and also that he wasn't bowling much (if at all) due to a suspect back.
Did anyone see the game or see him bowl? was this actually the case?
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i thought i read somewhere before the winter he was switching to leggies and it should be ready for the ashes?
possibly on a thread on here somewhere
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I note from the Cricinfo report that Root was bowling a mixture of offies and leggies - indeed picking up one of his wickets with a deceptive leg-break.
I was mildly intrigued as I wasn't aware he could mix it up like this, and also that he wasn't bowling much (if at all) due to a suspect back.
Did anyone see the game or see him bowl? was this actually the case?
Root bowled mainly leg breaks.
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This is brutal hitting from Dre Russ - about time he got some overs to bat
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Looks like KL Rahul has cemented the #4 spot with a brilliant century..
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Still seems ridiculous that Pant couldn’t get selected over Shanker or Karthik
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Still seems ridiculous that Pant couldn’t get selected over Shanker or Karthik
Agreed, think he is leagues above both of them personally. Especially after a decent IPL
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Old warhorse Dhoni blasts a 73 ball hundred. Keeping the youngsters at bay still
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Still seems ridiculous that Pant couldn’t get selected over Shanker or Karthik
Pant lacks the maturity required. Even if he was in the squad, I dont think he would have been the first choice in the XI. Vijay Shankar gives an added advantage of an additional seam option which could be useful in English conditions.
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How many all rounders do India need? Hardik, Jadeja and Jadhav bowls some funky spin. Pant can win games off his own bat.
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Poor old Matt Henry got collared by the Windies, 9 overs for 107!
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Managed to nab Eng vs ind tickets on the final ticket sale on Friday.
Any ideas on the best ticket reselling sites - will be away on work :(
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I think I'd be interested in your ENG/India tickets mate, have messaged you
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Opening match tomorrow...hope the weather stays good..England clear favorites.
There is so much talk in the press about Dale Steyn missing out and his X-factor. To be honest, would Steyn really make that much of a difference? The game is so much in favour of the batsmen now. One could probably count the number of bowlers who might actually have an impact on your fingers; and Steyn is definitely not one of them.
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What's the point of having bowlers if pitches are going to be "batting friendly"!! Why not just put bowling machines in front of sloggers and call it a day. These batting friendly tracks have ruined cricket.
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Pitches will be good for batting and that’s good for the crowd...however this is England early summer and I still think the best bowlers will have a big impact. We are not going to get 400 every match.
England as clear favourites worries the hell out of me ! This is the best one day side in my memory but can we really bowl out the good teams...
Very excited and very nervous for our matches.
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It's going to be warm and overcast in London tomorrow England might regret not picking willey
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A nice green seamer would be nice.. would also make a hell of a game like the only good game last World Cup.. nz vs Aus in nz. Great game that
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There is so much talk in the press about Dale Steyn missing out and his X-factor. To be honest, would Steyn really make that much of a difference? The game is so much in favour of the batsmen now. One could probably count the number of bowlers who might actually have an impact on your fingers; and Steyn is definitely not one of them.
This is Dale Steyn we're talking about here, right - the man with the 8th best ODI strike rate of all time? Imagine Roy and Bairstow won't exactly be unhappy about facing up to Chris Morris instead...
Good game to start the tournament off I think, South Africa not exactly among the favourites but still plenty of serious players in their side.
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A nice green seamer would be nice.. would also make a hell of a game like the only good game last World Cup.. nz vs Aus in nz. Great game that
Doubt they'll want a repeat of the Eng vs NZ game last WC.
Interesting that Boult has been forced to change his action as this new white ball is not swinging. Forced to become more round arm to get it to swing for the first 10-12 balls (if that)
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South Africa won the toss and stuck us in.
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1-1 after 2 balls bairstow gone caught behind off tahir
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Bairstow gone first ball - opening up with spin and it's paid off.
Can imagine a fair few teams opening up with spin against these two now
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Roy timing the ball is a joy to watch, such power in all his shots
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looks like the Oval is not full, or maybe is it just corporate seats not being used
nothing gets my goat more than this, im considering trying to get a ticket for one game at least.
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50 for roy
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50 and out for root
uh oh! rebuild and go for 350!
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Saw a comment earlier about someone looking for a stream, just a heads up that it is also shown on Bet365 if you do not have Sky. May require a flutter, however a bet on the toss every game would statistically get you near free (provided you're better than my captain)
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No Buttler pyrotechnics today done in by an Ngidi slower ball. 247-5
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no runs for Mo again as well
not enough runs here I don't think, stokes needs to go nucleur
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Moeen averaging 15 in his last 24 innings. He’s a passenger
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Interesting stats, England average 9.5rpo in the final 10 overs but South Africa’s bowlers average 6.4rpo. Good battle
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Root wicket was the killer for me, Moeen is a passenger but not sure who I would replace him with. Hopefully some big hitting to end 310+ here now. Going to be a tight one I think.
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I think we failed to realise soon enough that this wasn’t a 360+ pitch. There’s a far amount of purchase for the vast variety of slower deliveries that the South Africans have bowled
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im sorry but how is mo a passenger, hes an all rounder, how often does he fail with ball?
hardly ever!
if he was just batting with that average id be concerned but he offers plenty with the ball!
we wanted root dropped last week now mo! god god this forum can be insane!!!!!
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Moeen averages nearly 50 with the ball. Some all rounder
285-7 Rabada gets Woakes
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300 should be sufficient here for England. Wonder if SA missed a trick not including two spinners.
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311-8 decent total probably a winning total
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this does not look enough to me, but im a nervous kitten tracking England.
IF Archer can strike early thou we could turn it round, and he will of justified the hype.
to be fair, he looks the part already
what forum thread has Root dropped? that's just nuts
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Didn't everyone want to drop Stokes last week?
He seems to have done alright so far today...
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im sorry but how is mo a passenger, hes an all rounder, how often does he fail with ball?
hardly ever!
if he was just batting with that average id be concerned but he offers plenty with the ball!
we wanted root dropped last week now mo! god god this forum can be insane!!!!!
Mo. Is way below the player he was a couple of years back. His bowling is ok nothing more and his batting these days. Very avg. Dawson, Denly, Samit Patel even are far better batsmen and in my opinion just as good white ball bowlers to replace him or go with Bess and stick with and trust a younger player who will be around the England side a while. Even root is as effective white ball bowler at mo
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311 Although a good score England had a stutter with woakes 13 off 13 balls with 5 overs left and 4 wickets in hand when they needed to push on.could be the difference between winning and losing reckon SA will fancy there chances keeping England to 311
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Brute of a delivery from archer to. Amla almost knocked his. Lid of his head. Great inclusion into our side
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311 Although a good score England had a stutter with woakes 13 off 13 balls with 5 overs left and 4 wickets in hand when they needed to push on.could be the difference between winning and losing reckon SA will fancy there chances keeping England to 311
that's a strange way of looking at it. Woakes faced 13 balls out of a possible 300 in the innings. The stutter in the innings came when set batsmen who have 50 don't go on a get big tons..
am I missing something here?
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that's a strange way of looking at it. Woakes faced 13 balls out of a possible 300 in the innings. The stutter in the innings came when set batsmen who have 50 don't go on a get big tons..
am I missing something here?
I dont agree with him but i think he is saying that at the end of the innings you would expect a better strike rate. Hit out or get out kinda deal
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I dont agree with him but i think he is saying that at the end of the innings you would expect a better strike rate. Hit out or get out kinda deal
Nailed it with 4 overs left and 4 wickets in hand all strikers of the ball you need to be playing the big shots
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that's a strange way of looking at it. Woakes faced 13 balls out of a possible 300 in the innings. The stutter in the innings came when set batsmen who have 50 don't go on a get big tons..
am I missing something here?
Yes they missed out but not an end of the innings failure to hit out.
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Had anyone other than Woakes done the same thing I bet you wouldn't have even mentioned it!
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rashid has just hit the stumps and the bails lifted then landed back on!!!
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rashid has just hit the stumps and the bails lifted then landed back on!!!
Zinger bails are heavier, pretty sure its happened in the IPL and BBL
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Bit of a mare of an over for Buttler that one. Dropped a catch and then nutmegged....
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any news on Amla. I did read on cricinfo that he may have failed the concussion protocol but nothing definitive
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any news on Amla. I did read on cricinfo that he may have failed the concussion protocol but nothing definitive
just as i post that cricinfo put this on their feed regrading Amla:
"We have an Amla update. He has been assessed and is doing fine. Due to the sensitive nature of head injuries, he will undergo another re-assessment during the course of the innings which will give an indication of his further participation in the match."
Also as good a bat as de Kock is he has got to start batting more responsibly. Horrid way to get out considering the situation
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England winning this one easily. Wicket # 6 down.
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De Kock was massive.
Archer can hurry batsmen he looks like he could have a good WC.
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Big ginge!! Take a bow. That catch was ridiculous.
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Two words..........Stokes catch!!!!!! :o
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Another blinding catch to the stokes collection, take a bow son
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This team deserves to have the eye of the British public with catches like that, but they're behind a effing paywall
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Well that was pretty one-sided in the end. Its sad to see a feared powerhouse like SA get reduced to an a weak side. To me it looks like they are lacking in all departments.
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Well that was pretty one-sided in the end. Its sad to see a feared powerhouse like SA get reduced to an a weak side. To me it looks like they are lacking in all departments.
Easy to wonder what Roussouw, De Villiers, Morkel, Olivier, Abbott, Harmer and Viljoen might add, isn't it?
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De Kock was massive.
I had to double check to believe that this wasn't an @FattusCattus special...
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To comment on De Kock is beneath me!
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Ben Stokes catch will be in top 5 catches of this wc, for sure
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To comment on De Kock is beneath me!
Really? Reeaaallly? :D
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Ben Stokes catch will be in top 5 catches of this wc, for sure
uh, yeah!
I've been playing and watching cricket for near enough 35 years and its in the top five catches of my lifetime.
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Ben Stokes catch will be in top 5 catches of this wc, for sure
The Pope is a Catholic, for sure...
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The Pope is a Catholic, for sure...
I may get shot for bringing a different sport into the thread, but check this catch out from the bbc website yesterday - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/48454435 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/48454435)
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I may get shot for bringing a different sport into the thread, but check this catch out from the bbc website yesterday - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/48454435 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/48454435)
That's a more of a reflex catch, with a glove on, he's definitely shocked thinking if that was hit on his face 🙂
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The Pope is a Catholic, for sure...
Think so 🙂
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Questioning the accuracy of the speed guns this WC - claiming a fair few bowling over 90 including Russell today.
Pak getting peppered with short balls and struggling.
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WI definitely have the muscle in their bowling lineup to do that consistently. Its a strategy that could work very well against the teams from the subcontinent.
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This is classic Pakistani batting, braindead
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If Paikstan batsmen are struggling this much against the short, sharp ball...I suspect that both Wood and Archer may both get a game on Monday.
Not impressed with the shot choice.
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this is awful from pakistan! they look worse than i the series against us
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uh, yeah!
I've been playing and watching cricket for near enough 35 years and its in the top five catches of my lifetime.
What? It really wasn't that good. You see plenty of amazing diving one-handed boundary catches nowadays, many significantly harder and more athletic than that. I don't think it would even get into the top 5 catches I've seen in the last 12 months.
- and this is before we mention the fact that if he hadn't made a spectacularly bad read on the ball in the first place and started coming in when he should have been going back, he wouldn't have even had to dive.
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What? It really wasn't that good. You see plenty of amazing diving one-handed boundary catches nowadays, many significantly harder and more athletic than that. I don't think it would even get into the top 5 catches I've seen in the last 12 months.
- and this is before we mention the fact that if he hadn't made a spectacularly bad read on the ball in the first place and started coming in when he should have been going back, he wouldn't have even had to dive.
name 5 better...
oh and they cant all be yours... ;)
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They really are getting out to some absolute filth
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and another awful dismissal! just put that shot away!!!!
i dont think theyll have much pitched up on monday or the rest of the tournament!!
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Jofra's gonna have a field day on Monday
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What? It really wasn't that good. You see plenty of amazing diving one-handed boundary catches nowadays, many significantly harder and more athletic than that. I don't think it would even get into the top 5 catches I've seen in the last 12 months.
- and this is before we mention the fact that if he hadn't made a spectacularly bad read on the ball in the first place and started coming in when he should have been going back, he wouldn't have even had to dive.
Exactly my thoughts on that Stokes catch...a good reflex made up for bad judgement. I felt it was more luck than skill honestly.
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Questioning the accuracy of the speed guns this WC - claiming a fair few bowling over 90 including Russell today.
Pak getting peppered with short balls and struggling.
All I’ve seen is Pakistan getting out to 78mph half trackers.
Are you suggesting holding and braithwaite normally bowl in the 60s??
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Already looking like the short ball World Cup. Almost every side has a 90mph merchant or two as well so could see it continue. This game's over, but Wahab Riaz's opening spell could be worth watching after this...
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And another short ball!!! And Out!
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Interesting to see if WI (see Gayle) try to win this quickly.
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She's warming up! I guess everyone is entitled to have a bad match!
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Reckon Gayle will try and knock this off within 10 overs. Pak's net RR is going to take a massive hit if he does
Embarrassing from Pakistan - they've been the UK the longest out of any of the sides so no excuse. Not sure why Malik was dropped.
Fair few empty seats so far in both games - quite a few yesterday. I imagine the majority of the ticket allocations have gone to the sponsors
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Awful start to the tournament by Pakistan. I thought they would have acclimatised and had at least a competitive start... :(
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name 5 better...
oh and they cant all be yours... ;)
Just go to the highlights package of any recent T20 tournament and you'll see 10 better boundary catches then that.
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Exactly my thoughts on that Stokes catch...a good reflex made up for bad judgement. I felt it was more luck than skill honestly.
We talked about this at the club last night. A lot of non cricketers saying best catch ever because they didn't really understand what they were watching. All the experienced cricketers just raised an eyebrow. Poor initial positioning, terrible read, then a lucky albeit admittedly spectacular desperate grab above his head.
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ive got experience, started at 13 now 52, played a decent standard in the past and not a bad one in the last couple of years
I thought it was a stunning catch, up there with the best 10 maybe ive seen.
I understood exactly what I was seeing.
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i agree with @ppccopener ive been playing 20 years (althoguh im only 26)
and it si in the top 5 catches ever,
jason roys last year in the bpl (i think) strauss ashes 2005, James taylor at cape town collingwood in the odi vs aus 2005
ok so there are probably more good catches but its all subjective.
Stokes took on in a t20 game to remove de villers which was good, maxwell in a t20 vs england too
what makes this one so spectacular for me is the ball was hit hard anf lat and stokes was horizontal when he took it and with a reverse cup one handed, all three factors make catching the ball more difficult
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One that sticks out more recently is Kieron Pollard on the rope to a Maxwell slog in a Aus/WI ODI, but then again he's taken a few worldies
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Amir bowling well. Doubt it'll make a whole lot of difference to the result....but nice to see some fight!
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Gayle looks to be having back issues? That must be a worry for WI!!
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And that is that
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i will just leave this link here....... remember this...... everyone said they were done, wrote them off etc.... then look what happened.
8 out of that 11 played today - and that doesn't include Fakhar who came into the side.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/scorecard/1022353/india-vs-pakistan-4th-match-group-b-icc-champions-trophy-2017 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/scorecard/1022353/india-vs-pakistan-4th-match-group-b-icc-champions-trophy-2017)
Look i am not saying they are going to win it at all, but i believe we have been here before....
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We talked about this at the club last night. A lot of non cricketers saying best catch ever because they didn't really understand what they were watching. All the experienced cricketers just raised an eyebrow. Poor initial positioning, terrible read, then a lucky albeit admittedly spectacular desperate grab above his head.
I couldn’t care less about positioning etc, fact is he caught it when 99.5% of other players in professional cricket would have dropped that or probably wouldn’t have even attempted to catch it.
Iv been playing and watching cricket for 25+ years and a few at the club last night are 50+ years and couldn’t come up with many better catches from outfielders between us. Certainly one of the best ever catches even more so if you want to criticise the positioning or technical flaws
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So poor from Pakistan you never know if they had played sensible cricket and the middle lower order had tried to use overs and get up towards 200 what could have happened but 105 is going to lose 99% of the time
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Gayle looks to be having back issues? That must be a worry for WI!!
Is Gayle going to make it through the WC with that back trouble, especially if WI is batting 2nd?
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On fb are asking to ban Pak team cricket,
Poor performance!
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Without Gabriel and Roach this wasn't WI best bowling attack.
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Without Gabriel and Roach this wasn't WI best bowling attack.
With Cottrell and Brathwaite making the way for them. You do need two of Russell, Holder and Brathwaite. No way is WI dropping Russell and Holder and Thomas is not getting dropped unless his performance suffers.
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Rather bizarrely Misbaq blamed Amir for being poor with the ball...Amir took 3 bloody wickets whilst Hasan and Riaz where getting slaughtered. According to Misbaq, Amir bowls too slowly
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Rather bizarrely Misbaq blamed Amir for being poor with the ball...Amir took 3 bloody wickets whilst Hasan and Riaz where getting slaughtered. According to Misbaq, Amir bowls too slowly
Here we go again. Already designating someone to put all the blame on. The other two folks in the team who are also going to be the candidate for that are Riaz and Malik :o
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NZ vs SL being played on a green top - All the talk of the pitches being roads doesn’t seem true at the start of the tournament on these fresh wickets
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NZ vs SL being played on a green top - All the talk of the pitches being roads doesn’t seem true at the start of the tournament on these fresh wickets
I wonder whether the ICC were worried it would turn into too much of a run fest and asked for a bit of grass to be left on.
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I wonder whether the ICC were worried it would turn into too much of a run fest and asked for a bit of grass to be left on.
Likely to be that. Complete contrast to the pitches eng vs pak played on in that series
NZ win the toss - see them knocking over SL cheaply here
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Just put cricket and thought New Zealand were at home!
Proper green pitch this. I like it..
Sri Lanka don’t seem to be so much though? Can they get enough to make a game of it.
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If Afghanistan rotated the strike better they’d be on the verge of becoming a very competitive side. Currently 131-5 against Australia - 80 of those 131 in boundaries.
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Team Afg showed a good amount of fight and handled the short ball better than Pak. Well done!
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Pretty handy WC debut from Alex Carey with 4 catches, a stumping and a run out.
I thought Afghanistan were very good in the field, and Hassan in particular bowled very well, with Warner and Finch playing him with a lot of respect. I'm tipping that Afghanistan might surprise a few teams in the next few weeks.
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That GN guitar being used at the WC looks grainy :D. Great ad for GN
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Mark Nicholas acting like Shakib isn't the greatest all rounder post Kallis, absolute clown
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Saffers being bullied here
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Very competitive total from Bangladesh. There highest ever in odi’s.
Have they got the bowling attack to defend it?
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330 to win, SA are unlikely to get them!
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Faf effs it up, was more than in control of the chase before that
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these 2 can both bat and miller is a pretty destructive batsman. Id still put money on SA to win at this stage
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Miller gone!
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Well played Bangladesh. A good win that.
South Africa losing 2 in 2. Gonna be a hard slog for them from here? Have they even got an do to do it?
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I wish I had job security like JP Duminy's. Real hard from here considering it's India on Wednesday...
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Mark Nicholas acting like Shakib isn't the greatest all rounder post Kallis, absolute clown
Absolute clown without that @Mister Le Chiffre
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Excellent work Banglas!!
I’m going to see Afghanis v Saffas - they’re going to lose that one too, or my names not Rashid!!!
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No SA batter seemed prepared to get stuck into Banglas bowling.
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Saffas are a decent organised team but now failing behind the rest of the world. Can't see other teams letting the bangla spinners bowl or letting them get 330.
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Saffas are a decent organised team but now failing behind the rest of the world. Can't see other teams letting the bangla spinners bowl or letting them get 330.
There probably top of the middle pack of ODI teams but well behind England & India now and you can probably add WI into the top 3 ODI teams with New Zealand very close I think then SA and Australia. Saying that now Aussies have the 2 cheats back that could all change.
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Does anyone else feel SA's decline began when quotas were introduced?
Pick your team on ability, not colour.
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There probably top of the middle pack of ODI teams but well behind England & India now and you can probably add WI into the top 3 ODI teams with New Zealand very close I think then SA and Australia. Saying that now Aussies have the 2 cheats back that could all change.
I think the Aussies (coming off away series wins against india and Pakistan, without, arguably, their two best players) probably deserve a bit more credit than that. Plus wins against England and the Windies in the warm ups probably put them with the top 3 or 4 teams on form alone.
And if we are still acting like children and calling people cheats, I recently read a very interesting article about Monty Panesar and some things he admitted in his new book.
Unfortunately for SA it was always going to be a rough time without AB. Steyn is injured more than he isnt these days, Amla is a shadow of his former self and KG and Faf can't win it on their own. DeKock is a player but there is two much of a gap between his best and his worst, whether or not the quota system is to blame is a mystery but tough times ahead for the Saffas in all forms of the game.
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I think the Aussies (coming off away series wins against india and Pakistan, without, arguably, their two best players) probably deserve a bit more credit than that. Plus wins against England and the Windies in the warm ups probably put them with the top 3 or 4 teams on form alone.
And if we are still acting like children and calling people cheats, I recently read a very interesting article about Monty Panesar and some things he admitted in his new book.
Unfortunately for SA it was always going to be a rough time without AB. Steyn is injured more than he isnt these days, Amla is a shadow of his former self and KG and Faf can't win it on their own. DeKock is a player but there is two much of a gap between his best and his worst, whether or not the quota system is to blame is a mystery but tough times ahead for the Saffas in all forms of the game.
I based my assessment on the top 3 teams of the last 12 months results and maybe given there result in India Aus maybe should be in the top 3 alongside England and India.
Sorry but personally I don’t think its acting like a child they cheated, tried to cover it up and then cried in front of the cameras when they got caught and played the sympathy vote. To me that’s what kids do. Iv Monty has done something or someone else than they are in the same boat in my opinion. As i say though thats just my opinion on it, there has been enough threads about those Aussies concerned in the past.
Yea SA seem to be on the decline and don’t seem to have the players coming through at the moment to halt that decline, still got an outside chance to make the semi’s but will have to beat at least one of Aus or India and win all the others
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South Africa are on a downward spiral where they could end up like Zimbabwe. They’ve lost around 15-20 players to Kolpaks in recent times so they literally have no depth. The last of their world class players eg Amla, Steyn and Tahir will be gone within a few weeks/months.
They’ll be left with Markram, de Kock and Rabada then a big gap to the rest.
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I think the Aussies (coming off away series wins against india and Pakistan, without, arguably, their two best players) probably deserve a bit more credit than that. Plus wins against England and the Windies in the warm ups probably put them with the top 3 or 4 teams on form alone.
And if we are still acting like children and calling people cheats, I recently read a very interesting article about Monty Panesar and some things he admitted in his new book.
Unfortunately for SA it was always going to be a rough time without AB. Steyn is injured more than he isnt these days, Amla is a shadow of his former self and KG and Faf can't win it on their own. DeKock is a player but there is two much of a gap between his best and his worst, whether or not the quota system is to blame is a mystery but tough times ahead for the Saffas in all forms of the game.
Wouldn't read to much into the Aussie Morgan and Root less Win against England or the win against a poor Pakistan if you admit to cheating you are a cheat it's not wrong or childish to say it
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Wood in - Pak to be hit with some pace.
Can't see too many pitched up after the Windies game
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we still need to be adaptable im not sure they'll be bounced out as much again, wood bowled well in the series before the world cup and played at TB good change imo
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scrappy from England so far, not bowling particularly well,
archer mustn't expect to bounce them out, his best two balls have been back of a length and seaming, one in one out, that is much more threatening
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this is crap from us,
too many loose balls and now a (No Swearing Please) review!
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Don't think we've bowled all that badly to be fair, both bowlers have taken the edges that went to second slip most games in the series last month, just they've gone wide and Fakhar is on one today. Amazing the change in ODI tactics these days that when you win the toss on what looks a road at the best batting ground in the world you instantly decide to have a bowl!
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i personally think our good balls have been unlucky but weve been too wide and allowed them to flash hard, not what we did in the preceding series or vs SA
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Don't think we've bowled all that badly to be fair, both bowlers have taken the edges that went to second slip most games in the series last month, just they've gone wide and Fakhar is on one today. Amazing the change in ODI tactics these days that when you win the toss on what looks a road at the best batting ground in the world you instantly decide to have a bowl!
Even if Pakistan hit 400 here I wouldn't write us off, bowling first a good tactic I think. Despite being bold
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Even if Pakistan hit 400 here I wouldn't write us off, bowling first a good tactic I think. Despite being bold
At this rate, it's more like WHEN they hit 400!!
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350 gonna be tough to chase!
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I actually think this is a really good test for us..... give us a bit of a wake up early in the tournament after thrashing Pakistan in the ODI series.
Sounds (i am listening to TMS at work) like we have been dreadful in the field as well, which is very unlike us.
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Woakes bowling pies and getting spanked
Different story in my view chasing 350+ in a WC game. Totally different pressure
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3 wickets down and with how we seem to be bowling/fielding, Pakistan will surely get 12 an over easily from here!
Can't see us chasing 380+ but we need a wake up call.
I suspect that after what WI did to Pakistan, and how we trashed them in earlier matches, we have taken this far too casually!!
Serve England if we ae on auto-pilot! Will be interesting to see how we bat chasing a HUGE total!!
If I were a betting man, I would put money on England losing by 130 runs!!
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I don't understand why we are bowling so many bouncers/long hops. Yes Pakistan got demolished by Windies but the likes of Thomas and Russell default mode is bowling short.
Woakes and Stokes are medium paced and don't have that intimidation. Wood is quick but as he's short in height Pakistan have handle him decently
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wood gets hafeez, hopefully we can keep chipping away and restrict to 330 ish
at least woakes can catch!
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Wheels falling off in the field here - what pressure does
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Excellent death bowling for his 2 wickets from wood
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yes good stuff from Wood
ive got my doom and gloom hat on thou, we cant keep getting big scores and we will come unstuck here I fear.
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I love England fans, one suspect fielding display and we've apparently lost the World Cup! Are other nations this fickle?
Moeen the pick of the bowlers today, didn't everyone want to drop him last week?
As for Archer none for 79 off his 10 today, I expect everyone to start calling for him to be dropped...
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Does anyone else feel SA's decline began when quotas were introduced?
Pick your team on ability, not colour.
That is my opinion also. They screwed up the last WC with decision to play Philander who was not 100% instead of Abbott in the semi's and lost whole bunch to Kolpak deals.
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yes good stuff from Wood
ive got my doom and gloom hat on thou, we cant keep getting big scores and we will come unstuck here I fear.
It did look like a useless performance. But I am hoping it's simply that the wicket was rather flat and lifeless and impossible to get any real movement from?
I do like Archer but he kept bowling so many bouncers that he started becoming predictable.....maybe a bit of inexperience creeping in? The guy is very young after all
So I feel Morgan or one of the more experienced bowlers should have had a little word to him about throwing in the odd surprise bouncer? (not every other ball!)
So not a great day at the office in the field. Fingers crossed we show more fight with the bat.
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Pakistan start with Shadab....... a trend beginning i think
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Sigh
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Pakistan start with Shadab....... a trend beginning i think
i think it's going to continue as well...... :( :( :(
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What an moronic review and we might need one later
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Safe to say today wasn't Roy's best in an England shirt...
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A fitting way to cap an absolute stinker of a day for Roy. Not sure what Bairstow was thinking letting him review that either.
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I wonder why Roy had a word with Ump Erasmus if the review declared him out.
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I love England fans, one suspect fielding display and we've apparently lost the World Cup! Are other nations this fickle?
Yes. :D
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Yes. :D
pure gold
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I love England fans, one suspect fielding display and we've apparently lost the World Cup! Are other nations this fickle?
Oh very much so. Following social media whenever something controversial is happening in a game involving a subcontinent team is truly entertaining.
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Root dropped in the slips by Babar
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60-2 Bairstow 32 gone to Riaz, who certainly adds some bite to Pakistan attack
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Pressure on England's batting line up now. Got to think Root has to bat deep for them to have any chance of getting this
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Morgan out now too. Maybe Pakistan were playing the long game and not really trying in the warm ups to lul England into a false sense of security
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Pakistan is going to win this game easily!
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Big trouble
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Stokes now aswell. Might be time for England to think about limiting the damage to their net run rate
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game over!
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Root is playing his part and playing it rather well. This is great batting under pressure! With Butler as his partner, these two can single handedly win this game for England.
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more doom, more gloom
anyone else in the office with some idiot permanently tracking it shouting out 'we lost another wicket you said we were good'
annoying !! :)
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more doom, more gloom
anyone else in the office with some idiot permanently tracking it shouting out 'we lost another wicket you said we were good'
annoying !! :)
Nope but I have it projected on the wall in the office - win win for me... being a Pakistan fan, with England my second team ;)
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Butler will play big shots to bring the RR under control. This would also be the opportunity for Pak to get another wicket. Good game!
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Not sure about all the England fan pessimism. You have Butler.
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It's becoming more interesting, atm 60%-40% for England! They can pull it off if they play sensibly.
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Oh Root what have you done. Need a performance from Mo here
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Who let Moeen Ali out of the changing room with that dark under armour on? Village.
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What a thriller
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Best game so far! Classic!
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Just gonna blame Roy who dropped a dolly and then a mare with the bat
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That was lost in the first innings! Regroup go again! come in England!!!
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That was lost in the first innings! Regroup go again! come in England!!!
Agreed, England’s fielding cost them 20-30 runs I reckon, when compared to their normal standards.
Still, I think it’s time to start worrying about 2 things: Woakes isn’t taking wickets at the top of the innings and is expensive, and Moeen’s batting...the less said the better :(
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Agree, lost it in the field today but a good effort in the chase. Uncharacteristically sloppy in the field, which hopefully won't happen again.
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We couldn't keep knocking off 350, better that it happens now when we can afford a defeat than in a knock out game. For me the bowling seems wrong. Wood should have replaced Woakes, or Curran Plunkett, or both...but not Wood for Woakes.
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A lot harder chasing 300+ in the WC than bilateral series
Good win for Pak despite how poor they were in the field but that’s expected. Opens the tournament slightly with Pak winning
Afg got a chance of beating SL tomorrow
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England poor in the field but woakes 71 runs of 8 inc 20 of his last two overs by the Pakistani tail cost England
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England poor in the field but woakes 71 runs of 8 inc 20 of his last two overs by the Pakistani tail cot England
I suppose his 3 catches in the field and 3 wickets count towards nothing in your opinion?
Your constant bashing of Woakes is getting rather tiresome now...
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A couple of concerns raised for me:
The media have built Archer as a world beater, but his lack of 50 over experience was clearly evident today. T20 isn't remotely the same as 50 over, Archer was either way to short or he was somewhat obsessed with his change of pace. Being brutally honest he was really poor today.
Plunkett is the middle order specialist, without him, we looked totally untreatening during overs 11-40. Plunkett has the ability to make things happen.
Lastly Rashid's shoulder issue seems worse than Morgan is letting on. Rashid was bowling too fast and flat got no turn. Whereas Moeen and Shadab got consistent turn. Dawson needs to be given ago as it will be suicidal if come the semi finals, Dawson comes in cold
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England not at there best today.
Fielding was the poor point. But I thought wood bowled really well.
I’m a panicking? Nope? We didn’t really fire at beggining of the innings, we let oppo get to many duento some poor bowling/fielding and yet still nearly chased down 350!
I’d rather we have a slight lapse now when it can be overturned than have done that performance in the semis.
But honestly, we’ve smashed Pakistan in 4 Odis, they were not confident and we was playing on the flattest pitch in world cricket. Why on earth didn’t we bat first, put 400 on and just deflate Pakistan out of the game.
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Not bashing fact 71 runs off 8 and bowling poorly in a World Cup match expect better from a player with 90 International ODI games
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A couple of concerns raised for me:
The media have built Archer as a world beater, but his lack of 50 over experience was clearly evident today. T20 isn't remotely the same as 50 over, Archer was either way to short or he was somewhat obsessed with his change of pace. Being brutally honest he was really poor today.
Plunkett is the middle order specialist, without him, we looked totally untreatening during overs 11-40. Plunkett has the ability to make things happen.
Lastly Rashid's shoulder issue seems worse than Morgan is letting on. Rashid was bowling too fast and flat got no turn. Whereas Moeen and Shadab got consistent turn. Dawson needs to be given ago as it will be suicidal if come the semi finals, Dawson comes in cold
Agree re Plunkett and the middle overs surprised England didn't play him along side Wood and Archer
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Think England and SA should've batted 1st, after winning the toss, post 325 - 350 and won the game! Simples
Don't find any justification batting 2nd in these pitches while there's no weather issue.
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There wasn't much in it.. although Pakistan lost the series before the world cup, people forget the games were a lot closer and Pakistan had some good performances.
Think Pakistan winning is a good thing for the world cup and they deserve some credit too.
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Missed Plunkett and Woakes' opening spell wasn't up to his usual standards today. Then they chased like goons, both Root and Buttler getting out softly right after they got their tons was killer. Moeen bowled well today, but his batting is going backwards... At least the format of this WC lets you lose a game or two!
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Maybe this game showed why we need Plunkett in the middle overs. Totally agree re root and butler @edge if your well in with a ton one of them needs to stay in.
I can't believe both those batsmen don't think they should of finished it, this is a selfless team they just want to win.
I keep coming back to the same point thou, we concede too much... It's our weak point you wonder if the batting can cover it up over a whole tournament.
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Well I think it was a good wake up call for England. I rather it comes sooner than later during knock out stages. It was a good game and the series Pakistan lost, they didn’t have Amir, shadab or Riaz. They are experienced players who used their experience toward the end. Buttler should have stayed and finished the game.
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Afghanistan having an absolute mare so far against the Lankans. The Afghans have dishes up 24 extra inside 19 overs.
Kusal Perera freewheeling his way to 63* in quick time. SL looking good for 350+
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Steyn out altogether. A shame, although I can't help but feel the Saffers have come here prepared very, very poorly
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Steyn out altogether. A shame, although I can't help but feel the Saffers have come here prepared very, very poorly
Got a few Kolpak's around the country that could drive down. Surprised they didn't persuade AB to play one last WC - the quota thing must have really annoyed him
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They would have pleaded with AB, of course they would; he just had no interest whatsoever.
Kolpaks etc is another argument altogether but they just look all over the place, particularly on the batting side
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Sri Lanka throwing this away in style
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End of the South African 'golden generation' is nearly here. Smith, Kallis, Morkel, de Villiers and now Steyn. Amla the last one left, but he's been fading for along time now.
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Quite the collapse this - 4 wickets in 2 overs. Nabi taking 3 in an over
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I went to do other stuff as it seemed Sri Lanka was gonna steam roll them.
Come back in and there 6 Down!! England esque collapse here
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Watching it live, some real average decision making
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Steyn out of the world cup
Beuran Hendricks called up
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What happens if a game is abandoned due to rain in the group stage? is it replayed or 1pt each and not replayed?
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points shared
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Cricket is the winner
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Afg showing some fight again - hopefully these 2 can carry on
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Afg showing some fight again - hopefully these 2 can carry on
Jinxed that royally
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I mean, asking Virat to chase already means you're up against it
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SA were probably hoping to lose the toss - FAF's got no idea whether to bat or bowl. Should've chased in this game but don't think he trusts his batsmen.
2 down early and it's all down to FAF
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This geezer Bumrah something special
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Think that's the game and probably curtains for SA's WC.
300 was needed but can't see them getting 200. 2 poor shots from Faf and VdD
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Does anyone else feel SA's decline began when quotas were introduced?
Pick your team on ability, not colour.
I see what you're saying, and agree that yes, in an ideal world where everyone got the same opportunities regardless of skin colour then you could pick the best players but does that ever happen?
Certainly not.
It's that wrong?
Absolutely.
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Du Plessis's job has never been easy but this team is an absolute mess
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Do we reckon South Africa will even beat Sri Lanka and Afghanistan?
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Under Pressure SA decide to bat 1st, wrong one looking at the weather, poor batting, once again
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SA doing awful but i can't help but notice that it is another Ottis Gibson side that is doing rubbish.
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before we say how poor SA are not compared to the brilliance of a few years back, ask just what they are supposed to do?
most of their best players are over here or gone to the IPL, the SA board cannot pay the players properly for representing their Country-something that is an honour but also which should have rewards...
high time whoever runs cricket comes up with a level playing field to pay those equally in major tournaments?
will that ever happen I wonder or is just the reality of modern day sport? ie could an SA or Zimbabwean player, or West Indies for that matter, ever be paid the same as a Australian or English player-say in a world cup or ICC tournament?
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before we say how poor SA are not compared to the brilliance of a few years back, ask just what they are supposed to do?
most of their best players are over here or gone to the IPL, the SA board cannot pay the players properly for representing their Country-something that is an honour but also which should have rewards...
high time whoever runs cricket comes up with a level playing field to pay those equally in major tournaments?
will that ever happen I wonder or is just the reality of modern day sport? ie could an SA or Zimbabwean player, or West Indies for that matter, ever be paid the same as a Australian or English player-say in a world cup or ICC tournament?
IMHO the Kolpak issue is a complete red herring, if you actually look at who they would be missing then it is only really Rilee Rossouw and maybe Olivier - although he only player 2 ODI's before giving up - so who knows what he would have been like with the white ball. All the others that are Kolpaks have never played, so weren't on the radar to be picked etc.... You can't include Morkel because he retired for Internationals and Abbott decided ages ago he wasn't going to play and is about to turn 33.
Their problem is they are an aging side with no decent youngsters coming through, they relied on the old guard, like ABdV for far too long without any plan for afterwards etc....
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Here at the Oval. Lockie Ferguson bowling some absolute gas
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So India was allowed to start late just so they recover from IPL ?
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So India was allowed to start late just so they recover from IPL ?
yep, 'negotiated' by the BCCI
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SA doing awful but i can't help but notice that it is another Ottis Gibson side that is doing rubbish.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48435524 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48435524)
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IMHO the Kolpak issue is a complete red herring, if you actually look at who they would be missing then it is only really Rilee Rossouw and maybe Olivier - although he only player 2 ODI's before giving up - so who knows what he would have been like with the white ball. All the others that are Kolpaks have never played, so weren't on the radar to be picked etc.... You can't include Morkel because he retired for Internationals and Abbott decided ages ago he wasn't going to play and is about to turn 33.
Their problem is they are an aging side with no decent youngsters coming through, they relied on the old guard, like ABdV for far too long without any plan for afterwards etc....
This isn’t strictly correct. Whilst you might be correct any the chaps that are in county cricket might be mere bench players for their national side, the with those 15-20 unavailable it can lead to complacency amongst those remaining players. The likes of Duminy and Miller rarely preform yet they know they’ll still get picked.
I’d say Roussow, Abbott, de Lange and Olivier would most definitely be in the current squad. South Africa where so short of players they picked two injured ones in Steyn and Ngidi.
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De Kock with an above average catch to remove Kholi
Not as good as Stokes' one, though... ;)
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De Kock with an above average catch to remove Kholi
Not as good as Stokes' one, though... ;)
Being a keeper, I would rate this better than stokes. He covered 2.77 meters in a split second.
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Being a keeper, I would rate this better than stokes. He covered 2.77 meters in a split second.
I would argue that as a keeper myself he should catch those as often as outfielders at this level catch skiers. Yes he travelled 2.77 meters but he would also be 20M back with a great view and hours of practise. Either way both great catches
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I thought if a player is already injured when the final deadline for picking the squad is reached, how did SA get to replace Steyn?
Poor from SA and I think they are done with this WC.
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I thought if a player is already injured when the final deadline for picking the squad is reached, how did SA get to replace Steyn?
Poor from SA and I think they are done with this WC.
SA said Steyn suffered a second injury to the same shoulder
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Rahim with an absolute howler Tamim would’ve run out Williamson with his direct hit but the keeper knocked the bails off with his gloves
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I thought if a player is already injured when the final deadline for picking the squad is reached, how did SA get to replace Steyn?
Poor from SA and I think they are done with this WC.
Suppose SA could argue he was fit at time of selection and got injured in training/during a game in the World Cup.
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NZ on the ropes somewhat now
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SA said Steyn suffered a second injury to the same shoulder
Pure speculation but I would have to say that is pure BS. Dale picked up a second injury right after Ngidi gets injured and SA are short two fast bowlers.
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Suppose SA could argue he was fit at time of selection and got injured in training/during a game in the World Cup.
I am pretty sure Faf has said couple of times that Dale was 60 to 80% fit when selected.
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What WC pressure does - NZ throwing this away. All the batsmen have got themselves out
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Good game that.
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The Bangladeshi Tigers no longer the push overs, very awkward side to face.
Been good to see matches played on more bowler friendly pitches. An actual test for the majority of freewheeling batsmen in the current era.
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Yup Bangladesh have 2 or 3 really good seasoned pros likes of shakib and Tamim...
I expect to see Afghanistan to become a competitive side in a few years too.
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OMG it's blowing up on Social Media/Internet as rumors are circulating the ABvD offered to come out of international retirement for the World Cup and the management refused!!!!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26909143/south-africa-team-management-rebuffed-ab-de-villiers-offer-play-world-cup (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26909143/south-africa-team-management-rebuffed-ab-de-villiers-offer-play-world-cup)
https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1136526678518358017 (https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1136526678518358017)
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OMG it's blowing up on Social Media/Internet as rumors are circulating the ABvD offered to come out of international retirement for the World Cup and the management refused!!!!
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26909143/south-africa-team-management-rebuffed-ab-de-villiers-offer-play-world-cup[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26909143/south-africa-team-management-rebuffed-ab-de-villiers-offer-play-world-cup[/url])
[url]https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1136526678518358017[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1136526678518358017[/url])
First thoughts were Ottis Gibson strikes again - something he would do.
Absolutely bizarre to refuse AbD a comeback
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Good on SA (though not surprising) for telling him where to go, De Villiers has embarrassed himself there to be honest. Not a huge surprise given how often he's changed his mind about whether he can be bothered to play for them anymore.
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Good on SA (though not surprising) for telling him where to go, De Villiers has embarrassed himself there to be honest. Not a huge surprise given how often he's changed his mind about whether he can be bothered to play for them anymore.
There are definitely 2 sides to this - i do agree that to completely change your mind at the last second like that isn't great, however and it's a very big however..... this is ABdV we are talking about, one of the greatest ODI batsman of all time.
And that doesn't even take into account how shocking the SA batting is, surely in his heart of hearts Du Plessis knew that batting line up wasn't up to it.
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Personally would say it's the right call, he made his own bed willingly with all the 'tired' and 'you can't pick and choose when you play' stuff he spouted on about. Not fair on the current players at all. Doesn't look good after 3 losses either, but my guess is the press have kept this on the backburner...
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I know what ABD did was wrong by saying no last year but SA are in a big mess as well. I am sure FAF would want him back in squad and SA needs to put their ego aside and accept him back. It might backfire as he has not played a 50 overs game for more than a year now. Its worth a try and see how it goes.
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Absolutely the right call. As good as he had been (the best in my opinion over the last 10 - 15 years) in ODIs, he had retired and they had to look elsewhere. What would it have said to others who'd worked hard to make the squad/team? Who knows if he'd have won them any games either, impossible to say.
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If South Africa had won their first three games I doubt this "story" would have seen the light of day...
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Wasn't his retirement more to do with the quota system and the last WC semi's - and players not picked on merit
Think also being forced to keep wicket didn't help
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Heavyweight contest today 5 time champions Australia vs 2 time champions West Indies.
Oshane Thomas fast and hostile gets Finch early. 15-1
Windies dropped Darren Bravo for Evin Lewis
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Both openers gone - love that celebration Cottrell
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Nothing like pace to see top quality batsmen jumping around
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Khawaja got peppered with the short ball and set up by Russell. Can see Khawaja being dropped for marsh
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Some serious pace going on in this WI team..
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36-3 Khawaja got peppered then threw his wicket away. Australia getting intimidated
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Both openers gone - love that celebration Cottrell
https://twitter.com/datfatcricketer/status/1136575249057832961?s=21
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Stupid from maxwell!
“We 3 down not many on board, I’ll tee off from ball....... ohh crap”
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This short ball tactic is working - maxi gone too. Have these aussies forgot how to play the shortball
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38-4 Maxwell duck. Cotteral enjoying himself
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Ah, Austalia and Trent Bridge
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When the going gets tough, Khawaja is usually headed in the opposite direction. Not surpised about Maxwell, it looks great when it comes off, got to accept when it doesn't. Will be interesting to see if Australia can scrape to 150-200, I feel it could be game on if they do.
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Short ball theory not as effective once the ball gets a little softer. Carey trying to counter attack
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Pretty pathetic from the crowd boo-ing Smith when he got to his 50. Cricket crowd's becoming a lot like football crowds.
Aussies getting close to a good score - think they'd take 250
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Coulter-Nile maiden fifty follows it up with a massive 6. 233-6 and they could maybe still reach 300
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Windies letting it slip. Hetmyer drops a dolly offered up by the free scoring NCN
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Salute that Sheldon. Staggering catch to send smith packing
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Right call on AbdV, it would be harsh on players that worked their tail off to get into the team. Now if he had played the domestic games and had the numbers in place that would have been different story.
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Windies Have allowed Aussies to get a decent score here. Too many drops and missed run outs.
Good knock by NcN
Aussie's favourites to win this game now
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Best catch of the tournament, and that is saying a bit.
Great knock by Smith, the grit and determination of a man trying to right a few wrongs.
And wow Nathan Coulter-Nile!
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NCN misses out on his century but an incredible knock of 92
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Pretty pathetic from the crowd boo-ing Smith when he got to his 50. Cricket crowd's becoming a lot like football crowds.
Aussies getting close to a good score - think they'd take 250
If you give sniggering press conferences at the expense of a nations fans favorite then expect to be booed when you return to said country. Fairly basic stuff to understand
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If you give sniggering press conferences at the expense of a nations fans favorite then expect to be booed when you return to said country. Fairly basic stuff to understand
Shows lack of class personally. Aussie crowd does it too at Home
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Interesting one there, Gayle given out edging to the keeper refers it straight away and it turns out the snick was actually from clipping the off stump but AGAIN the bails weren’t dislodged.
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If you give sniggering press conferences at the expense of a nations fans favorite then expect to be booed when you return to said country. Fairly basic stuff to understand
You may have missed the last 12 months of Smith's career if you believe that is what they are booing him about
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Where on Earth are these stumps from? It's mad
Another review, going down leg
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Don't make Chris Gayle angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
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Shows lack of class personally. Aussie crowd does it too at Home
The use of sandpaper, now that's a lack of class
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Brathwaite bringing out the long handle monsters a huge 6 off NCN then tops it off by baseball hitting Cummins over his head.
Good bowlers worth more than good batsmen
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Starc winning this for the Aussies. Fastest ever to 150 ODI wickets as well.
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The lack of anyone across the 10 sides being unable to take their team home with the bat is super disappointing; get well set then just hole out
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Michelle for Mitchell
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WI threw that away with the runout and Russell should have seen off Stark before hitting out.
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Shows lack of class personally. Aussie crowd does it too at Home
When does anyone show any class now in sport ?? He’s a cheat so deserves never to be allowed to forget it and certainly not let off for it. Just shows people that cheating prospers
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You may have missed the last 12 months of Smith's career if you believe that is what they are booing him about
I believe the guy is a complete and utter tool and he'll be booed every time he comes to England for the rest of his career. I could list his behavioural difficulties but the giggling press conference takes the biscuit for me. The crying one made up for it I guess
As for the last 12 months of his career.... Bangladeshi Prem and NSW Grade cricket wasnt it?
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When does anyone show any class now in sport ?? He’s a cheat so deserves never to be allowed to forget it and certainly not let off for it. Just shows people that cheating prospers
Not just Warner and Smith - it seems to have crept into the English and Aussie crowds. Both nations do it to certain players.
Don’t agree with it either way - very much football hooligan type behaviour.
Does seem to be an Eng/Aus thing - don’t see any other nation doing it when players reach landmarks or walk out.
Could argue stokes/hales deserve more abuse from crowds for their Bristol assault
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Great Game, have to respect the west Indies, they are genuine contenders. Truth be told they just weren't disciplined enough in the field on the day and gave Australia too many free runs.
Cottrels catch was amazing, it will be hard to beat for catch of the tournament, and Nathan Coulter-Niles innings was a once in a lifetime thing, some amazing hitting and fight back.
The crowds should keep booing Smith, I think he has scored under 50 once in about 5 knocks when walking to the middle in an Australian shirt since coming back, so it's clearly working..
Starc back to some good World Cup form as well and regularly over the 150kph mark, Gayle didn't look likely at all when he was bowling.
Some things for the Aussies to think about in Khawajas dismal display, with a guy averaging 41 after 70 odd ODIs running the drinks, I don't think Usman has many chances left.
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Whens the cut off? looks like Pakistan and sri lanka will be sharing the points
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Dominant start, this. Maybe they'll stop opening with spinners now
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Shakib bowled six already. Will Bangladesh regret that? As no breakthrough.
I love watching England while batting like this. And although it’ll probably be seen as flat by end of game, I’ve bit of green on this pitch.
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Dominant start, this. Maybe they'll stop opening with spinners now
Only those without a wrist spinner.
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Is Roy gonna tee off. Ow he’s got his ton? Tune ates dropped significantly.
In other news, david Warner has hospitalised a net bowlers, hit him in noggin with a straight drive.
I hope that guy is okay!
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That was absolutely appalling fielding to let that go for 4
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Root t 21 off 28 balls no Morgan good move this with 20 overs left in comes Buttler
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Roy definitely wonted 6 sixes then........ nice 150 but can’t help think it was his best chance for a World Cup double ton.......
Why are New Zealand always playing on the double header days?
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Jesus Christ Jos, that ball had a family!
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This is getting ridiculous with the bails not coming off now!
Stokes has just "bolwed" Shaifuddin off his pads. The ball hit the stumps quite hard yet the bails stayed on.
Thankfully he cleaned him up next ball, but that's beyond the point!
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I queried whether Ali was really nailed and today, a bit surprisingly he was left out
Are we a better 11 today than last match? Problem is..much as Woakes is vital to us, he looks one place too high in the order
Anyone else seeing something different...
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I queried whether Ali was really nailed and today, a bit surprisingly he was left out
Are we a better 11 today than last match? Problem is..much as Woakes is vital to us, he looks one place too high in the order
Anyone else seeing something different...
Woakes in the same team as Plunkett wood and Archer was poor today as England's slowest seamer was hammered 8 overs for 67 without there pace reckon he will be the one opposition batters will target.
Going forward if that's his slot he is to high what can he do there when his teammates dont score 300 plus
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It will be very interesting to see who we drop because I think Ali will come back in against the West Indies because of all their left handers.
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I would like to see Curran in at some stage in the next game or two....
Also keep watching that Archer wicket to see the ball go flying down the ground for six
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Important game coming up between India and Australia, might determine the top 4 standings.
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Kohli wins the toss and India are batting. Seems odd that they are using a used pitch so early into the tournament
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Rohit survives a drop catch, magnificent diving effort by NCN
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Kohli wins the toss and India are batting. Seems odd that they are using a used pitch so early into the tournament
Already had 3 games at the oval, only 1 more except the semi-final which will be on a fresh pitch.
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India laying down a solid platform 115-0, half centuries for both Dhawan and Rohit. Aside from Starc and Cummins, the other Aussie bowlers look toothless
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17th ODI century for Dhawan and third one at the Oval
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Dhawan goes 220-2. Carey drops Hardik first ball could be costly
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Lack of power hitters is costing India. 320-330 at the oval is chasable
They should’ve looked to get 360-360 with that start
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Lack of power hitters is costing India. 320-330 at the oval is chasable
They should’ve looked to get 360-360 with that start
Not many better sluggers going around than Pandya tbh
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Not many better sluggers going around than Pandya tbh
Have to say it’s been a poor knock from kohli. With that start he should’ve looked to take a few more risks earlier
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Kohli looked a bit out of form tbh. Lots of playing and missing
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Hardik going nuts
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301-3 Pandya gone.
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India 352-5. The most Australia have ever conceded at the World Cup
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Dhawans hundred without a single six
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Another incident where the ball hits the stumps and the bails don’t come off. Happened a fair few times with these zinges
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Another incident where the ball hits the stumps and the bails don’t come off. Happened a fair few times with these zinges
They need to have a serious look into this IMO. It's not great and has happened many times like you say
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Warner really struggling but gets to 50
No boo’s today, respect shown by the crowd as it should be when players get to milestones
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Odd decision not to send in Maxwell ahead of Khawaja
No boo’s for smith passing 50 - few forum members will be upset about that
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Indian fans pretty much love Warner and Smith, they both received heroes welcomes at the IPL this year
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Australia left Maxwell too much to do. Smith gone 238-4
115 off 62 required
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Bhuvi winning this for the Indians, Stoinis gone for a duck
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Maxwell holes out game all but over
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Carey has batted well here.
Australia with a bit more intent early on could have won this.
First 20 overs seemed like England of old..... maybe not that slow but close.
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Quality of the umpiring this World cup has been extremely poor - another one today.
SA lose Amla early. No Russ for Windies
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The India Australia game was much closer than it finally ended up on the score board. If England was chasing then England probably would have won.
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Have to say, I have found watching West Indies at this World Cup thoroughly dismal which is somewhat of a surprise.
I find their seam attack really tiresome to watch, short ball after short ball. Dot or wide. Feels like the pace of the game is really slow when this is happening. Not great for the neutral but effective I guess for now. Think they will struggle if they don't make early inroads as they don't have a Plan B it seems
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Well I got to see 7 and a bit overs, a nice boundary, a Gayle catch and 2 Cottrell celebrations today.
Looks like there will be no further play and a full refund of the ticket price
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When you see an old faded great of the game, Amla, become a walking wicket, you have up question why he’s not retiring. He’s long past his best and in all honesty he’s embarrassing himself.
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When you see an old faded great of the game, Amla, become a walking wicket, you have up question why he’s not retiring. He’s long past his best and in all honesty he’s embarrassing himself.
Perhaps because all other viable options are cash hungry mercenaries and the cupboard is looking bare. Embarrassing is a word I would associate with SA cricket as a whole.
I think your anger should be towards the players who aren't there Gerry and the reasons behind that. Not Amla who although undoubtedly out of form at least hasnt turned his back on his country like the few dozen kolpaks in County cricket have.
You'd only have bottled it in the semis anyway
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Perhaps because all other viable options are cash hungry mercenaries and the cupboard is looking bare. Embarrassing is a word I would associate with SA cricket as a whole.
I think your anger should be towards the players who aren't there Gerry and the reasons behind that. Not Amla who although undoubtedly out of form at least hasnt turned his back on his country like the few dozen kolpaks in County cricket have.
You'd only have bottled it in the semis anyway
Think you’ve got me confused with someone else, who the fudge is Gerry?
Secondly London born and raised to whether South Africa choked in R1, semi final or final - I don’t care in the slightest.
I was merely commenting after seeing various social media posts regarding Amla and making out he was a ‘bum’. And tbh Amla has been in decline for a long time now so he should’ve pulled the pin and retired. He’s literally got no option but to quit now.
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Is weather going to get better in England? At least two matches have been impacted by weather. What a shame, the tournament was becoming so interesting and then rain...
Meh.
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Is weather going to get better in England? At least two matches have been impacted by weather. What a shame, the tournament was becoming so interesting and then rain...
Meh.
Not getter much better this week, I'm afraid. Sunshine and showers all week. Bit chilly as well.
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Make it three, there's no way they're getting a full game on in Bristol today!
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Probably won't be a game tomorrow either.
Why not play the WC in July-Aug? Best weather, school holidays etc.
So far been a poor WC - Over priced tickets, pitches not up to scratch and far too many one sided games.
Any idea why no game at Lords apart from the final? Very odd that. Least lords can fit 20,000+ unlike some of the other venues being used
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I thought the same as the weather is generally better and warmer in the southeast somthing to with the bidding for matches .
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Any idea why no game at Lords apart from the final? Very odd that. Least lords can fit 20,000+ unlike some of the other venues being used
There are games at Lord's, just not until later in June: https://i.redd.it/scas81lwgbu01.jpg. And at any rate, there's plenty of matches to go round, so why not spread them around the country and make it more easily accessible?
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There are games at Lord's, just not until later in June: https://i.redd.it/scas81lwgbu01.jpg. And at any rate, there's plenty of matches to go round, so why not spread them around the country and make it more easily accessible?
Sorry my mistake, bit odd that only a certain number of teams are playing at lords and not every side given a game there.
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Dhawan has fractured his thumb and will miss the matches against New Zealand/Pakistan. Pretty decent effort to score a 100 in their last game with a busted mitt.
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Sorry my mistake, bit odd that only a certain number of teams are playing at lords and not every side given a game there.
Yeah I'd agree, though if you wanted to do that without having a disproportionate number of games at Lord's, you'd end up with some of the less popular fixtures that might not sell out
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I actually think the organisers have got the allocation about right,
we need to spread the game across the country, and no matter when we play it were likely to get rain.
what i massively dissagree with is only having 10 teams in the world cup!
Ireland zimbabwe and Scotland should 100% be here, not to mention that fact the USA have just been granted ODI status, every ODI side and the top associates (even some of the (No Swearing Please) associates should be there!
grow the game!!!! who wouldn't like ot see the world cup at county out grounds even if it is USA VS PNG
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It's a tournament not a tour, who cares how many are at Lord's..?
I do actually quite like this format, but would still rather see 16 teams in groups of 4 a la f***ball.
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I actually think the organisers have got the allocation about right,
we need to spread the game across the country, and no matter when we play it were likely to get rain.
I agree - A lot of the County grounds are struggling at the moment - personally I'd love to have seen those warmup matches plaid at the smaller grounds like Chelmsford etc. That was crucial revenue that the smaller clubs could really have done with.
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Could do with more days that have 2 games in them though, just to shorten the first phase slightly.
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The good bit re the one game a day format is there's a live match on the telly every day.
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We have a game!
This game is going to be played on a green top ;). Both teams going with seamers and dropping their spinners
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Game of two ends here. Amir utilising the conditions perfectly whereas Shaheen bowling half trackers and getting smashed around.
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Australia century opening stand, Finch passed 50. Pakistan pretty toothless and not helping themselves by dropping Finch twice
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146-1, Amir gets Finch for 82
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Smith at 3, could’ve rolled the dice and sent Maxwell in
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Amir been the only bright spot for Pakistan so far 5 overs 14 runs 1 wicket
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That is a Shane Watsonesque shocking review
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Awful effort, Amir aside, by Pakistan so far. Three no balls, heck even Malik overstepped. Terrible fielding as well
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189-2 Smith out to a wild hack.
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Time for the big show or the more likely no show from Maxwell
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223-3 Maxwell bowled playing a slog. Standard Maxwell
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100 for Warner
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Village bowling and catching from Pak so far - 3 gone down.
Pak catch one!
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I might sound like a grumpy old man here, but how on earth do they let these shocking air horns in the ground, I'm just about ready to mute the television.
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Khawaja and his power game at number 6 lol
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I might sound like a grumpy old man here, but how on earth do they let these shocking air horns in the ground, I'm just about ready to mute the television.
Thought it just for WC matches. Agreed it's prett annoying
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This is peak Pakistan
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Epic collapse here by the Aussies. The old Mohammad Amir has resurfaced masterful display
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307 all out. 5fer Amir
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Australia let Pakistan back in the game here big time.
Warner with another(for him) slow innings..... in fact only maxwell and khawaja batted at a sr over a 100.
Very old school batting from aus.
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307 The Aussies probably favourites
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307 is a defendable total. AUS has an exceptional bowling attack.
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Aussies are favourites here. But they should have batted Pakistan completely out of the game!
I thought the openers both batted well and laid the foundation, but nobody backed them up.
Amir - he is a quality bowler!!
If Babar goes early then all done. But if he stays in then Pakistan are capable. Interesting afternoon if the rain stays away!!
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Pakistan letting this slip, Imam bounced out by Cummins and Hafeez pats a Finch full toss to cow corner. Finch should’ve had Sarfraz as well but Carey fluffed the stumping
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Cummins gets Malik for a duck, 147-5. Malik was also neatly run out without facing a ball.
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Pakistan doing what Pakistan does lose 4 wickets for 13 runs in 15 minutes
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160-6 Asif Ali out
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I know players tape up fingers but khawaja seems to have taken it to an extreme - all his fingers have sleeves on them. Surely not allowed as it will help with catching
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Run rate on par for Pakistan..... too many wickets lost though.
Still a close game.
Had Pakistan not had a crap first ten in the field, Fielded like idiots...... Australia would have been well in trouble.
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This could still go either way!!
From a nutural point of view, it's a decent game!! :D
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Over now.
Dam it.
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Australia could easily be 1 win and 3 losses tbh. India outclassed them. Windies and Pakistan threw away great opportunities to beat them as well.
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PAK are out of the world cup.
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Hows the weather in Nottingham today people? I saw somewhere that it had stopped...
Cheers
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Rain earlier cloudy very cool showers around PM rivers have flood warnings in place.
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this WC is looking like its going to come down to who has the most luck with rain. cant see much play in Nottingham today
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India v NZ Looks like a delayed start due to how wet the ground is also PM showers forecast has heavy
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Typical, I don’t work Thursdays and this was looking to be the game of the tournament so far.
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No chance of a game today - think NZ will be happy with the 1 point and remaining unbeaten.
Difficult seeing anyone else making the top 4 unless Windies win tomorrow. Looking like: NZ, Eng, Aus and Ind
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Following 12.30 pm ground inspection further inspection at 1.30pm.
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1.15pm it's started raining again.
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India v New Zealand 3.03 pm match abandoned without a ball being bowled.
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No chance of a game today - think NZ will be happy with the 1 point and remaining unbeaten.
Difficult seeing anyone else making the top 4 unless Windies win tomorrow. Looking like: NZ, Eng, Aus and Ind
Not so sure they will as even if they lost they might have maintained there superior run rate as there could be there's a points tie for the semis
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Mark wood doubtful tomorrow v WI will undergo fitness test in the morning.
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England win toss and bowl
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West Indies picked 6 fast bowlers...
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Pitch looks excellent
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Poor shot that by Lewis ball to full also he fell over slightly
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Wood drops Gayle at third man. Woakes not impressed
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Poor shot that by Lewis ball to full also he fell over slightly
You just can't resist, can you.
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You just can't resist, can you.
It was accurate though, poor shot execution more than anything Woakes did tbh. Poor drop by Wood, Pro’s should take them
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Jason Roy seems to have done a hamstring
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It looks to me that the way to keep Gayle quiet(er) is to bowl wide of the crease and slant it across him.
But no doubt he'll go and prove me wrong.
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Game over. Gym time
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It was accurate though, poor shot execution more than anything Woakes did tbh. Poor drop by Wood, Pro’s should take them
Wood a bit unlucky, running then diving forward, hard catch to take. I wouldn't have got to it on the full like he did. Had it in his hands as well though, just the impact of him on the floor knocked it loose. Probably should be holding on to it, but tough chance nonetheless. Is bowling well though.
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Bit of a concern about Roy's hamstring. But in positives, ROOOOOT.
Can't get NOW TV working on office network which is annoying though.
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You just can't resist, can you.
Called it right though
Here's one for all woakes fans which bowler as Gayle scored more sixes off in 2019
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Woakes drops Dre Russ and 2 6s the result
Now Russ is injured again, is he ever fit?
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Woakes drops Russell, he promptly leathers a huge 6
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Bad miss that by Woakes hope it doesn't cost England
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Oh dear. Russell may be the world's most overrated cricketer, but I wouldn't want to drop him.
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woakes takes it this time
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Brathwaite no longer using his 'Trident' bats?
He has an SS in hand today
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Morgan's gone off injured too - looks worse than roy
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I wondered the same @liscon12 , SS must have offered too much money.
Argh not only will Roy not be fit to bat til 7, Morgan's gone off! Wheels are at least loosening.
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Can't help but feel Dre Russ puts plenty of extra Mayo on every career ending limp inducing physio summoning injury he sustains on a game to game basis.
Morgan, However looks to be in Genuine strife, England's world cup hopes have seemingly taken a massive hit today.
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Morgan limps off to join the injured Roy.
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Brathwaite no longer using his 'Trident' bats?
He has an SS in hand today
Wasn't Braithwaite on the forum once with his bats
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The poor umpiring continues - wides not being called and poor decisions
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While everyone is frothing over Archer, Mark Wood has bowled an impressive spell of 3-18 off 6.4
Windies 212 all out. Can England's 9 remaining men see them over the line?
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Woakes due to bat at 3.
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Woakes due to bat at 3.
Brilliant, love that.
Strange how the TV production changes when the ICC are calling the shots. Hilarious - Nasser struggling to think what to say in an unexplained Segway about the New Forest. Less good - 'the slot' apparently becoming an actual area of the pitch, the terrible efforts at 'magic moments'.
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Root opens and does a fine job at that!
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YJB is earning himself a lot of short balls later in the tournament here. Can't believe GN seem to have only given him one lid though!
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Woakes due to bat at 3.
Here we go, real chance to nail down number 3 for the ashes here.
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Woakes batting at 3 in a World Cup run chase.
What a time to be alive!
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Woakes batting at 3 in a World Cup run chase.
What a time to be alive!
Yep maybe he should bat there against the likes of Starc and Bumrah when there's scoreboard pressure.
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Yep maybe he should bat there against the likes of Starc and Bumrah when there's scoreboard pressure.
Seriously? He was playing them was he... He batted well why can't you just acknowledge that..
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ROOOOOOOT
comfortable for England
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Good win by England.
Question for the group. Is having Gayle and Russell in WI team hurting. Personal opinion is that they are hurting the team. Gayle cannot run for the singles and doubles, which forces the batter at other end in trying to hit out. Russell, has yet to bowl is full quota and he has not lit up the WC with his batting. Also, having him in the team screws up the balance, with Holder, Braithwait (sp) and Russell competing for the same two spots. WI also need a batsmen who can play long innings. Today's gave Hope was the only one who could do that but he had a horrible game. I do not understand WI logic in alternating Lewis and Bravo in the team. Hope should open with Gayle, Pooran at 3, Bravo @ 4, Hetmeyer @ 5 replace Russell in the squad with Dwayne Bravo :D
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Most of the west indies team are only fit enough for twenty over matches and it is beginning to show.
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Yep maybe he should bat there against the likes of Starc and Bumrah when there's scoreboard pressure.
Woakes could sort Brexit, Mr England !
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Root with his second ton of the World Cup. Matching pietersena nd is our top scorer.
Yet not even a month ago it was proclaimed don here that Root is “our weakest link”. Lol
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Woakes could sort Brexit, Mr England !
Not if he messes up like he did with that catch !
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Root with his second ton of the World Cup. Matching pietersena nd is our top scorer.
Yet not even a month ago it was proclaimed don here that Root is “our weakest link”. Lol
Top scorer and tournamentt leading run scorer.
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Good win by England.
Question for the group. Is having Gayle and Russell in WI team hurting. Personal opinion is that they are hurting the team. Gayle cannot run for the singles and doubles, which forces the batter at other end in trying to hit out. Russell, has yet to bowl is full quota and he has not lit up the WC with his batting. Also, having him in the team screws up the balance, with Holder, Braithwait (sp) and Russell competing for the same two spots. WI also need a batsmen who can play long innings. Today's gave Hope was the only one who could do that but he had a horrible game. I do not understand WI logic in alternating Lewis and Bravo in the team. Hope should open with Gayle, Pooran at 3, Bravo @ 4, Hetmeyer @ 5 replace Russell in the squad with Dwayne Bravo :D
Although Gayle ran singles thought the batters changed there game specially Hope on that track couldn't see what Braithwaite with his medium pacers brought to the team that said all the WI bowlers were poor.
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Finch going nuts at the Oval, motoring past 150
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West Indies issue is that they are selecting players woefully out of form or injured.
Evin Lewis has been injured for a long time and looks totally out of form. Windies shouldn’t have selected him. They’d probably have been better off selecting John Campbell or Sunil Ambris.
There’s no logical reasoning for Carlos Brathwaite being in playing XI, aside from the reason that Andre Russell isn’t fit so they are picking Brathwaite as the backup for Russell. Which isn’t logical.
Gayle is never going to be Usain Bolt between the wickets but generally he’s capable of catching up with his power hitting.
Windies made a big song and dance about Darren Bravo’s return, he’s one of their best players of spin and manipulating the bowling. He should be in the XI.
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Sri Lanka smashing it in the power play 86-0 Perera giving it a proper welly
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Sri Lanka fading towards defeat. 209-5 and Australia once again heavily reliant on Starc and Cummins.
Australia can beat the lesser sides without a spinner and all rounder but for bigger teams Maxwell won't be getting the job done.
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Starc going through the Sri Lanka lower middle order. 217-6
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Afghanistan crumble to 125 against the South Africans. Tahir and Morris helped themselves to 7 wickets between themselves
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Epic collapse by Sri Lanka, 153-1 to 247 all out
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Semi finalists already sorted pretty much
India, nz, aus and England
Don’t see any of the other teams challenging. Too 4 sides in the world
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Semi finalists already sorted pretty much
India, nz, aus and England
Don’t see any of the other teams challenging. Too 4 sides in the world
yep points gap starting to open up
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Pakistan put India in to bat at old Trafford. Imad and Shadab back, Shankar replaces Dhawan
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Mohammad Amir has received two warnings for running on the danger area inside his first three overs
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Oh Fakhar...fluffs up a run out opportunity with Rohit stranded mid pitch
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Rohit survives another run out chance. Pakistan not helping themselves
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This appears a bit one sided. It’s got another half hour and if it doesn’t become competitive it’s going off .
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Pakistan woeful with the ball so far. Bowling far too short
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Wahab receives second warning for running on the pitch
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Eventually Pakistan pitch it up and Rahul is out.
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Sharpie alert on rohit’s bat
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Hundred number 24 for Rohit. Easy as you like
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234-2, Rohit out for 140. India’s axeman Pandya sent in to try and cause some mayhem
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India should send pandya in maybe 5 overs left. Dhoni or Shankar should have batted above him.
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11,000 ODI runs for Kohli, destroys Tendulkar’s record by some 54 innings.
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India end up with 336-5. Rohit 140, Rahul 57 and Kohli 77. Amir outstanding against 3-47.
Hasan Ali registered the worst figures ever by a Pakistani in World Cups, 1-84. Hasan having a horror show in England this summer, 5 wickets @ 100
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Bhuvi pulls a hammy, Shankar gets Imam very next ball.
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Fakhar does not look comfortable at all at the crease. Hopefully he can click today though because i do enjoy watching him hammer it around the ground
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Chahal and Dhoni talk Kohli out of reviewing against Babar, was plumb LBW.
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117-2 after 24 overs. Kuldeep bowls Babar for 48 with a stunning delivery
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126-3 Kuldeep gets Fakhar for 62.
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Pakistan crumbling to defeat 129-4, Hafeez gone for 9
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Hardik on a hat trick, Malik 0
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Pak all but out of this tournament
Kuldeep’s bowled well - India far too good despite Kumar going off.
Second half of the WC is going to be pointless now. Top 4 looks all but sealed
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I’d only say India, England and Australia are guaranteed semi final spots. New Zealand have been feasting on the lesser sides and probably would’ve gotten hammered by India
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Sharpie alert on rohit’s bat
I noticed it too. Made by SS imo.
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I noticed it too. Made by SS imo.
Had a TON sticker on the handle too
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I noticed it too. Made by SS imo.
Looks like KL Rahul also using SS - brown tape under the SG sticker on toe.. right where the TON stamp usually is.
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Never had any doubt India winning worth easily, that what they did!
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As per usual with Pakistan they either turn up or they don't and barring Amir, they were absolutely woeful with the ball and never looked like chasing that score. India well worth the win.
As an aside, 2 Pakistan bowlers warned for running into the danger zone etc... but did anyone notice how Kohli literally was running down the middle of the pitch throughout his whole innings and he didn't get spoken to at all??
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48653330 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48653330)
Great news, discussions had about the final being on BBC
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Weather not looking good for tomorrow and Wednesday.
SA vs. NZ looks like it will be washout. NZ getting lucky with their harder games potentially getting washed out. They should beat SA if they get a game
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As an aside, 2 Pakistan bowlers warned for running into the danger zone etc... but did anyone notice how Kohli literally was running down the middle of the pitch throughout his whole innings and he didn't get spoken to at all??
Yes, I picked up on that - surprised none of the commentary team made mention of it. Look at his highlights and he was in the zone after almost every shot.
To be fair, the umpires have a lot to look at - need to be watching for no ball's, follow throughs and what the ball is doing up the other end all within half a second or so.
Umpiring footy I find a similar thing - watching the play, and the ball comes naturally, but it's the sneaky stuff that goes on behind the play that you really need to keep an eye on!
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This winning the toss and sticking the opposition in has really backfired in the last two matches. Yesterday Pakistan got mullered and today Windies are wielding the long handle. Hetmyer just smashed a 25 ball fifty
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this is shaping up to be a cracker!!!
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Bangladesh fighting fire with fire and taking windies on
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No plan B from the windies, the short stuff is getting smacked.
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What's happening!?! Oh wait predictable west indies, heads gone Bangladesh being Bangladesh been a good watch this
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Shakib is a bit useful eh
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This winning the toss and sticking the opposition in has really backfired in the last two matches. Yesterday Pakistan got mullered and today Windies are wielding the long handle. Hetmyer just smashed a 25 ball fifty
Bangladesh win with 9 overs left!! Lol
Bangladesh could have gone big today!!! Go shakib. Having tournament of his life with bat.
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Shakib is a staggeringly great player, one of the best all rounders the game will ever see
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Yes, I picked up on that - surprised none of the commentary team made mention of it. Look at his highlights and he was in the zone after almost every shot.
To be fair, the umpires have a lot to look at - need to be watching for no ball's, follow throughs and what the ball is doing up the other end all within half a second or so.
Umpiring footy I find a similar thing - watching the play, and the ball comes naturally, but it's the sneaky stuff that goes on behind the play that you really need to keep an eye on!
Dont see why 3rd umpires cant be keeping an eye on these type of things. They have nothing else to be doing unless called upon for a decision review
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England back on today, Vince in for Roy.
wonder what Hales is thinking because he would def be playing with the injury to Roy.
Anyway, a convincing performance needed before we face the tougher teams, Banglas included in that :)
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Vince is crap. Fails every time. I’d rather have the village idiot Hales than Vince
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Vince looked good then out when set, how many times have we said that now!??
@ppccopener we've already played Bangladesh???
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Vince looked poor actually
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Vince looked good then out when set, how many times have we said that now!??
@ppccopener we've already played Bangladesh???
yes we have your right :) overlooking some facts in my post :)
James Vince.........again..........I dunno, its 20 or 30 and out
he has the talent im convinced of it, but for me it must be concentration under pressure
and yet he can get a double ton in County cricket
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Vince looked poor actually
I'm only going on what the bbc live feed is saying,
point still stands another 20/30 and out
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Time for England to lose faith in Vince he's had to many failures.
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Time for England to lose faith in Vince he's had to many failures.
Woakes would’ve done a better job... ;)
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Not sure if Vince suits this 1 day squad
@thebigginge just on sky , shaping the toe of a bat
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Bairstow fell for 90, got frustrated facing Gulbandin's dibbly dobbers. Morgan at 4, thought it should've been Buttler time
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Surprised Bairstow got out looked in control.
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Morgan starting the car here, brutal
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he's caught Root up!
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Morgs back looks to be ok!
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Morgan you beauty!
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Morgan 101 off 57!!
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Fourth fastest World Cup 100 for Morgan inc 11 sixes.
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astonishing from Morgan
clearly the back is ok
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Is it just me or is Morgan batting with RH pads on?
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17 sixes for Morgan new ODI record.
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Rashid Khan goes for a ton off of 8.1!!
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wheres this mo mid collapse? Bell criticised for scoring meaningless runs, is mo the same?
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Morgan at 4, thought it should've been Buttler time
Classic Ger
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They are just saying on TMS that Morgan got 120 off 46 balls after he got dropped!!! :o :o :o :( :( :(
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Mr Aldred taking credit for that knock - for rehandling Morgan's bat ;) ;)
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Mr Aldred taking credit for that knock - for rehandling Morgan's bat ;) ;)
which one he used 3??
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Mr Aldred taking credit for that knock - for rehandling Morgan's bat ;) ;)
Where?
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Clarke on commentary talking up Australia in front of next weeks Aus v England match.
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Clarke on commentary talking up Australia in front of next weeks Aus v England match.
he may be talking but not many are listening. A very very good player, poor commentator, and an extreamley divisive Captain even by Australian standards.
Power trip of being the Aussie Captain went to his head, he thought he could end players careers himself.
high quality as a batsman thou.
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Where?
his facebook group
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Afganstan showed litlittle interest in chasing England s score used the match as batting practice would have been a better game if they had batted first.
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Impressive stat from today - Morgan's 17 sixes took him to 6th on the all time ODI sixes list. Not that interesting in itself, modern game etc etc... but the two he overtook at 7 and 8 were McCullum and De Villiers.
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Clarke on commentary talking up Australia in front of next weeks Aus v England match.
Be a good game.
Lets not get arrogant...like the Aussies aye England...
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Well what a great introduction to live cricket for me! First ever pro game I’ve watched (only been in the game 3 years) and it was worth every penny.
Some incredible hitting by Morgan and a great day all round
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I am off to Edgbaston today, hopefully the weather holds!
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this is stupid... 49 overs per side, what are they gaining be reducing by 1 F*****g over?
bloody ridiculous! sort it out ICC!!!!!
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I know they have a world cup song but is there really a need to play it on loop over and over. Complete torture
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De kock and du plessis gone.
So this all over already?
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SA going no where - Amla and Markram blocking CdH
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Amla goes 55 off 83 balls. Surely it's time for him retire.
Not going to set a great score batting that slow. Time they gave someone else a go
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Does anyone really think Jason Roy will be fit for Australia despite having a tear in his hamstring? Ngidi supposedly suffered the same injury and is currently limping around Edgbaston.
Dhawan has been ruled out for the rest of the world cup with his busted thumb, Pant has taken his place
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New Zealand making hard work of this.
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King kane to the rescue. Santner to finish it off me thinks
Pointless NZ playing munro, he’s a t20 slogger. Could send southee to do the same job
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Some record - KW fastest to 1000 runs in odi’s in England.
Quicker than any other player including the English
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Williamson edges and only Tahir appeals!!
Nick on the snicko. Is that gonna cost Sa??
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Some record - KW fastest to 1000 runs in odi’s in England.
Quicker than any other player including the English
We talking games or balls??
Games I fully believe it. Why wouldn’t you? Dudes awesome.............
Not sure he’s got the power game to be fastest in balls to 1000.
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Sa could have nz 8/9 down with chances
Missed a review to get Kane too
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We talking games or balls??
Games I fully believe it. Why wouldn’t you? Dudes awesome.............
Not sure he’s got the power game to be fastest in balls to 1000.
In terms of Innings
Are SA choking?? :D :D
Drops, missed review and missed run out now
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Miller could have had 3 stunners today
Good fielder just not quite getting there
Wheels steadily coming off for sa
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KW with a 100 - had a bit of luck but what a player!
Not for the first time NZ knock SA out in a crunch game - Has to be mental with the SA.
Same thing in 2015, NZ were 5 down in that game too.
Top 4 all but sealed with over half way through this tournament. Quite a few dead rubbers coming up.
The pitches have to improve - today’s was extremely poor but made good viewing
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Some poor fielding in the NZ v SA contest.
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Top 4 all but sealed with over half way through this tournament. Quite a few dead rubbers coming up.
The pitches have to improve - today’s was extremely poor but made good viewing
Bangladesh is the only team with any kind of a chance left, but they have to win all 4 games and I do not see that happening, with 2 of the games left is against Aus and India. For the sake of the rest of the WC and entertainment for folks who spent money to watch it live at the, I hope we still have some upsets.
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Pak are all but out of the tournament.
There are rumors:
- of groups/clicks within the team where Shoaib Malik, Imad Wasim, Imam Ul, and Wahab Riaz are plotting to overthrow Sarfaraz from captaincy.
- Chief selector Inzimam and coach Mickey Arthur interfering in the decision making process of the captain and undermining him.
- Hasan Ali has always been a pain for Sarfaraz.
Where as in the PCB administration:
- Boards members are fighting over re-structuring plans of the domestic cricket in Pak. New PM wants to overhaul the system and old timers just won't cave
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If this format of for the World Cup is going to continue then there must be support for moving to the IPL style system of top 4 where you are rewarded for finishing 1st.
That way you stop the meaningless games at the end etc...
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I've enjoyed all the photos of Pakistan lads eating burgers. Ahahahahahaha.
Also today's game is another sign of the top 4 we're going to see; see you all in 3 weeks
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Warner with another century and he’s supposedly still playing poorly...id like to play poorly and score 100s...
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Khawaja selling maxwell up the river.
Maxwell on 32 of 10 hitting sixes for fun. And khawaja has no hesitation in making sure it wasn’t himself who got run out!
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Khawaja gone for 89 anyway, the selfish git should have run in hindsight...
Bangladesh chased 322 in 41.3 overs at Taunton. Anything under 385 and the Aussies will be nervous! ;)
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Rain stops play after 49 overs, leading to a half hour delay.
The teams will go back out for one over, then have a half hour interval between innings.
Is there any other sport where you could get a scenario even similar to that is a World Cup?
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You never know with Maxwell but his wicket might’ve cost Australia another 20-40 runs. He was smashing it like an axe man.
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Surely the Umpires could have looked up at any point in the last 10 overs and created a bit of urgency amongst the players, what a waste of half an hour, it baffles me how wrong cricket gets things sometimes.
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Umpiring going downhill thanks to DRS etc. On field umpires are relying on TV umpires too much. They don't give clear run outs anymore but signal for third umpires. I don't know if they been told to play safe and go for tv all times to save them from rage. But I would like on field decisions like good old days especially for LBW and run outs.
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333 isn’t a bad score for Bangladesh against aus.
There’s have dreamed off that a few years ago. I’m impressed with them. Triely believe they are the 5th best odi side in the world at mo.
And had the put that on as a first innings score, aus May have not done so well under pressure....... but we will never know.
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Sri Lanka win the toss and bat
England unchanged
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What does Matthew Wade have to do to get a call up
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Jofra strikes early
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as does woakes
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Thats a good shot!
under the pump, archer bowling well, Fernando unleashes a lovely back foot cover drive!
then gets beaten all ends up, great start to this game!!
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That was a gift. He was looking really good too.
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What does Matthew Wade have to do to get a call up
Not average in the 20s in international cricket?
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Not average in the 20s in international cricket?
To be fair, he is a vastly improved player since he last played in Australian colours and would walk into most sides on his form in all formats over the last 12 months. Don't take me on these number but over 1000 runs at over 60 in four day cricket and 600 runs at over 40 in the BBL.
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To be fair, he is a vastly improved player since he last played in Australian colours and would walk into most sides on his form in all formats over the last 12 months. Don't take me on these number but over 1000 runs at over 60 in four day cricket and 600 runs at over 40 in the BBL.
The standards of Aussie domestic cricket really have dropped from the glory days haven't they!
More on the topic of today's game... this is not exactly shaping up to be a thriller is it.
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It's still foreign to me that we look so good at ODI cricket
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The standards of Aussie domestic cricket really have dropped from the glory days haven't they!
More on the topic of today's game... this is not exactly shaping up to be a thriller is it.
It would be fairly ignorant to deny that the standard is dropping in domestic cricket globally. Sheffield sheild and County Championship are certainly not immune to that fact.
It's good to see Matthews fight through his rut of recent times, hopefully Malinga can wind back the clock and the spinners can make use of a bit of turn in the surface so there can be a game made of this yet.
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Wood and Archer bowling together great viewing for England fans.
Liked the way wood set up malinga classic 2 balls round his ears then does him with the Yorker.
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Bairstow goes for a Golden again plumb in front
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Making a meal of this.....
Also Vince is not international level. If hales wasn’t a mong, I doubt he’d have got a sniff.
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uh oh
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James Vince once again goes in the most James Vince manner possible! :(
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Dictionary definition of 'inevitable' is:
If something is inevitable, it is certain to happen and cannot be prevented or avoided.
Cricketing definition of 'inevitable' is:
James Vince will nick off to slip
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We defiantly making hard work of this!
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Typical mo
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Odd shot. This is getting interesting. What was he thinking btw?
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Why is this so tight?!
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Good game so far. Is it SL playing good and making a game of it or England playing bad. For me it's SL making a fight of it and if they win it the slow painful to watch Matthews innings potentially set it up for SL and the bowlers doing the excellent job.
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lmao
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wheres this mo mid collapse? Bell criticised for scoring meaningless runs, is mo the same?
I'll raise this point again, when did mo last dig in for England and not do something effing stupid??
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England demonstrating perfectly why they're not going to win the World Cup...
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This is genius from England, throwing this game to set up an England v Australia World Cup final.
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More on the topic of today's game... this is not exactly shaping up to be a thriller is it.
Oops.
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Oh dear...
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Stokes dropped!
Then hits 6
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Good over for england. 4 more please
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With the exception of Root and Mo i think all the wickets have come from good bowling tbh, dont think we are giving SL enough credit here
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Crickets a weird sport.
No hits a six, nearly hits another and gets criticised for playing stupid shots and going against
Stokes hits two sixes in a row and he’s a genius. But I’ll tell you and he got caught on the second one every man and his dog would ah e been giving it the “he already got his boundary why try again”
This is an England said set up to score and chase 400.
Yet we’ve tried to go at strike rates of 70-80 all innings if under the influence that if we bat time we win the game!
Sod that, play to our strengths, knock them off in 25 overs and go home.
But nah, let’s blame mo at number 7 for the loss......(if we lose)
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Flat track bullies I’m afraid. Worst SL side and losing to them.
They’ve had the easiest opening fixtures out of anyone
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Terrific win for Sri Lanka, fair play.
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Stokes and Root aside, awful performance with the bat
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But nah, let's blame mo at number 7 for the loss......(if we lose)
It's all Moeen's fault!
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Shocking lack of ability to bat when it’s not a flat pancake pitch. Same as that CT17 semi final.
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England were unbelievably poor today. Its all very well and good saying we hit 400 blahh blah blah, the side is set up to do that. It's all (No Swearing Please). These are the best 11 professional cricketers we have and they continue to bat like morons on occasion. We should able to adapt. Simple as. Moeen, jofra, woakes, bairstow, vince and Morgan all played bad bad shots.
The worst of the bunch was probably vince but moeens was a close second.
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England's favourites tag has to be gone now surely, they've had the easiest run in the world cup and have butchered it. With 3 very very tough games coming up and Bangladesh seemingly more competitive than expected, is there a chance that England can miss out all together?
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Eng the new SA - epic choking.
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What an interesting listen Paul Farbrace is.
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Congratulation SL for the excellent fight back and win.
Edit: Did England just damage their chances for semifinal, with games left against Aus, India and NZ?
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We could see England pull off the most English "upset" ever.
Favourites for a home world cup, and they might not even get through the group stage!
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Could do with Roy back I reckon!
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That is a shocker!!
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It's all Moeen's fault!
England need to get Plunkett in to bowl the middle overs and bat at 8 instead of Woakes 1 wicket in the last 2 matches Walso poor shot selection by Woakes when England under pressure.
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If England lose to Australia on Tuesday the heat will be on.
I see England winning one of the last 3 but you never know playing 3 of the harder teams
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If England lose to Australia on Tuesday the heat will be on.
I see England winning one of the last 3 but you never know playing 3 of the harder teams
I think the heat is on right now. To start with England need to win at least one out of the remaining three games and for SL, Bangladesh, WI and Pakistan to lose one game each and no rain outs. If that happens their net run rate needs to be better than SL, since both will end up with 10 points. Bangladesh, WI and Pakistan will end up with maximum of 9 points with the one lose and if they win the rest of their games.
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Eng should stop thinking of scoring 400 or 500. Now the tables have opened up.
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Sri Lanka just upended the tournament with this win. What an amazing defense of a low total!
There is a lot of tournament left in this tournament. :D
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Be a good game.
Lets not get arrogant...like the Aussies aye England...
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I think it's all a Baldrick style cunning plan by Morgan to finish 4th and therefore play a semi final at Old Trafford not Edgbaston.
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Think the two games so far have shown you don't just write teams off like we all have done. On a positive note thisnad yesterday is giving is the context we are all craving
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Afghanistan hold India to 224. Rahman bowling his full quota for just 26 runs and taking the wicket of Rohit Sharma. Could be an interesting second half of that game.
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Yes, good contest shaping up between Afg and Ind, along with NZ vs WI with NZ two down already.
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I'm tipping that Afghanistan might surprise a few teams in the next few weeks.
Will this be the day that my prediction finally comes true, or will the Indian bowlers make the most of this pitch?
The Afghan spinners were very effective today, and put the brakes on the Indian innings. Can they make 225?
Nice to see something for the bowlers to work with at last. I find a 200 odd run contest with wickets tumbling, way more exciting than a 350 run slogfest.
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OH MY GOD CARLOS BRATHWAITE MIGHT DO THIS
WHAT A DAY OF CRICKET
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This game is so, so cruel.
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What a game. Congratulation Carlos Brathwaite for taking the game to the end and dragging WI along and giving NZ a scare.
Enjoyed watching both games today.
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2 great games of cricket today. Much needed
Did braithwaith need to go for the 6? Probably not. Should’ve taken the single and taken it down to the last over
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Absolutely typical the one day I had something planned both games turned out to be thrillers...
India aren't winning the cup if they don't ditch Kuldeep. Their lower order is non existent, Shami at 8 got exposed by Afghanistan so better teams would be licking their lips. They should be picking Pant and Jadeja
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Don't get S/A tactics here 149 wanted off the last 90 balls to win and mainly blocking or pushing for singles with 6 wickets in hand can't delay the counter attack much longer
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Pakistan helping S/A. by dropping 3 catches in 9 balls
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I hope SA do something about keeping their players interested in playing for SA and not take the Kolpak route. They no longer have any bench strength left.
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Would England be better off opening with Moeen than Vince..? Dawson at 7?
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Would England be better off opening with Moeen than Vince..? Dawson at 7?
yes, anyone is better than vince
actually thinking about it, why not open with woakes :D :o ;)
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Roy has been ruled out of tomorrow's game against Australia.
Will we see Vince get another go?
Could we see a reshuffle with Moeen opening and either Dawson or Curran bought in down the order?
How do you get Plunkett in the side? His wicket taking ability in the middle overs is something we need.
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Moeen vs Starc/Cummins would be slaughter. If Vince is dropped, the replace has to be good against fast bowling
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Roy has been ruled out of tomorrow's game against Australia.
Will we see Vince get another go?
Could we see a reshuffle with Moeen opening and either Dawson or Curran bought in down the order?
How do you get Plunkett in the side? His wicket taking ability in the middle overs is something we need.
I think that it has to be a squad member so Vince is favourite to play. England have 2 of the tournament fastest and highest wicket takers at No 1 and 3 in Archer and Wood who are opening and death over bowlers so forum favourite Woakes should miss out to allow Plunkett to bowl in the middle
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Moeen vs Starc/Cummins would be slaughter. If Vince is dropped, the replace has to be good against fast bowling
If Moeen opens he needs to give himself a chance and resist hooking Starc
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Shakib with another 50 and a 5fer today. Geezer is incredible
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Just open with root and woakes at 3.
Simples.
play extra seemed but still hVe Rashid and Ali for spin.
Left field but had we took Willey instead of Vince......... he’d have made a better back up opener than Vince has and can still add a little left arm difference....
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Left field but had we took Willey instead of Vince......... he’d have made a better back up opener than Vince has and can still add a little left arm difference....
You mean the bloke who opens in white ball cricket for Yorkshire? No way England would select him to open!
That could have been interesting, a left hand/right hand opening pair and something a bit different to add to the bowling attack.
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The more I look at the more I just conclude that Hales is an absolute muppet.
Kinda terrified about tomorrow; completely different Australia team to the one we faced last summer
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Just go with the best you can;
Bairstow
Root
Woakes
Morgen
Butler
Stokes
Mo
Plunk
Rash
Joffy
Wood
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From what I've seen of the Lords pitch there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to play two spinners, but they'll inevitably choose Moeen
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I reckon Mo, Rash and Plunk have the chance to score more than Vince. It’s the World Cup, not a 3xi development game!
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Anyone else slightly worried about today?
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Losing Roy is a blow but England beating the Aussies no if England get the team right if fit Plunkett needs to play as woakes 5 wickets in the tournament at around 50 runs each not good enough.
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England should drop Moeen Ali...he clearly cannot be relied upon as a batsman in pressure situations.
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England. Should have stuck with denley as a decent back up opener, can bowl part time but more importantly whilst not as dynamic as Roy or as classy looking for 25 as Vince is a consistent run scorer over a long period of time.
Now i am not saying he is the best option if Roy not fit but as he was in the squads prior to the World Cup and Hales has been a total idiot now looks silly that he was left out.
Unfortunately Mo will play again today and i cant see if he is required he will have any backbone with the bat as handy as he can be with the ball at times. And Vince will play and open with Root at 3. Its a joke if Woakes is batting at 3 for England
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Minus more than ‘handy with the ball at times’, he invariably bowls 10 overs.
His batting is a bonus really.
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Good decision from Aus to get Lyon in
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Some sympathy with the 'Drop Moeen, he's no good with the bat under pressure' argument, but not when it's coupled with replacing him with Liam Plunkett 😂
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No need for subtitles for Woakes Earlier :o
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We’ve bowled too short on a pitch offering a little bit when you get them driving. Archer doesn’t look anything near fully fit
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we've bowled too short in places but overall i think Australia have been quite lucky to survive, lots of plays and misses, vince almost took a worldie, a few balls missing the stumps by a few mm.
England are only a few wickets away from being on top again,
Morgs needs to slow the game down a little keep his bowlers calm and aim for top of off, let the pitch do the work
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On the balcony Englands bowling coach looks unimpressed due to Woakes wasting the new ball by bowling to short on a bowler freindly which has allowed Warner and Finch to settle in.
Also Joffra doesn't look his best.
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All games at Lord's need a time quota enforcing for time spent by commentators talking about the bloody slope.
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On the balcony Englands bowling coach looks unimpressed due to Woakes wasting the new ball by bowling to short on a bowler freindly which has allowed Warner and Finch to settle in.
Also Joffra doesn't look his best.
did any other england bowl short or just woakes?
from what ive seen Woakes has also beat the edge a few times, had a LBW decision turned down with umpires call and narrowly missed otu on bowling both warner and finch,
and has looked the best of englands attack has he pitched the ball up more?
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Much prefer it when ODIs are played on bigger outfields such as Lords and Southampton. You get to see more skill than when it’s raining boundaries
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Good old England.
Win toss. Choose to bowl. Despite failing to chase twice against lesser sides..... and it looks like we could be chasing 350-400 here.
We gonna have to bat well to win this.
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we are indeed by the looks of it, we cant seem to restrict the run scoring
The match on Sunday v India is looking more and more important
the Aussies are a very good one day side indeed
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Don't see us chasing 300 based on our previous efforts, at the moment 350 is on
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And then Moeen gets a breakthrough
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did any other england bowl short or just woakes?
from what ive seen Woakes has also beat the edge a few times, had a LBW decision turned down with umpires call and narrowly missed otu on bowling both warner and finch,
and has looked the best of englands attack has he pitched the ball up more?
Your correct he beat the edge that he would have hit if he hadn't bowled short giving Aussies a dream dream start.
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This is poor in the field. Really, really poor.
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Buttler fluffs a stumping.
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Think the Aussies should’ve sent in maxwell
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Or Smith bet Morgan wished he had Plunkett to bowl these middle overs.
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Smith like Warner walks out to bat with the Boos following him.
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Run rate dropping - Aussies stalling a little bit here.
Again Maxwell should’ve come in before smith. Turning into 310 score now
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Not sure what Finch is playing at there
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Classic Finch vs England - slowish ton then out immediately. Great record on one hand, but on the other can you imagine any of the England top order taking 20 balls to get through the 90s and then putting one up in the air next ball?
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can you imagine any of the England top order taking 20 balls to get through the 90s and then putting one up in the air next ball?
If Eng can choke vs Pak and SL, why is this so hard to imagine ?
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If Eng can choke vs Pak and SL, why is this so hard to imagine ?
Because England have a set policy of not doing it? Pretty sure they don't have a nailed on plan of bottling it vs a lousy SL team...
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Brilliant bowling by Wood to dismiss Maxwell
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Wheels falling off for Aus
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They want us to win, then yeah? Ah.
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Carey finishes well again, there would be an argument to put him ahead of Stoinis as atleast Carey shows some interest in turning the strike over and playing a team game. I think Australia probably would have taken 285 after losing the toss. Should be an exciting chase!
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285 is a lot less than I thought we’d be chasing.
Aus under archive at the end or did we bowl well?
Still not hugely confident without Roy opening and with how we played against Sri lank and pak.
Bairstow honestly doesn’t look the same opener without someone scoring quick at the either end(notice what he does opening with hales Roy warner etc, compared to when he’s with Vince or a quick wicket falls)
Still. Come on England!!
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Sigh
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Oh ffs. Knew we should have opened with Moeen.
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at least he didn't edge to slip....
that surely has to be his international career over
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Really up against it now
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This team is weak under pressure
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We're going home. We're going home...
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Who would've thought, pitch the ball up. Willey would've been decent in these conditions ;)
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I despair with this team. Just digging themselves in holes...
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What a pathetic way to get out
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Pressure of chasing/ a WC is completely different to bilateral series as england is showing here
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FFS this is going to be embarrassing if we can’t even make it out of the group stages
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This is depressing.
And unless Roy fit will pick same side and chase in next too games two.......
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We're going home. We're going home...
You’re already home :(
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The horror
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Braindead
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53-4 - time for a buttler counterattack
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Moronic shot selection again
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That was village.
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Braindead
“Fearless”
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Utterly idiotic from both Morgan and Bairstow. Vince clearly cant hack it at this level as he as shown over and over either, rather open with moeen and strengthen the middle order or the bowling. That being said maybe its not as easy to bat out there as Finch made it look.
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Utterly idiotic from both Morgan and Bairstow. Vince clearly cant hack it at this level as he as shown over and over either, rather open with moeen and strengthen the middle order or the bowling. That being said maybe its not as easy to bat out there as Finch made it look.
you might be right, it may not be that easy.
however we are a team, with the exception of Root, that smack the sheet out of it. it works against average bowling, but does it work against a decent attack.
we always chase big scores, we just think we can get anything the oppo gets.
and yes we are missing Roy, he is quality and we don't have a replacement
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Utterly idiotic from both Morgan and Bairstow. Vince clearly cant hack it at this level as he as shown over and over either, rather open with moeen and strengthen the middle order or the bowling. That being said maybe its not as easy to bat out there as Finch made it look.
I agree I don’t think it’s easy but:
Vince: looks for the lovely looking on drive 2nd ball when it’s humid and JB is a known swing bowler
Root: actually not a bad ball tbh
Morgan: fearless!!! Cricket ie reckless in the power play especially coming in 2 early wickets down
Bairstow: fearless!!! Again really
We seem to be unable to use any kind of approach except smack it mode regardless of situation.
1 wicket away from losing this game
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200 off 30 odd overs is doable.. except we're 4 down and Lyon is ragging it...
Just needed to bat sensibly! Eh well! Two games left all hope not lost!
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Don’t mention ‘Hales’ - I think i mentioned it once but I might have got away with it!
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Don’t mention ‘Hales’ - I think i mentioned it once but I might have got away with it!
No..we noticed you mentioned it. :)
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Not looking good for stokes
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Well I think that rhymes with Clucking Bell!
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Yuck. No need to play that.
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Not a fan of sending Woakes ahead of Moeen
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Not a fan of sending Woakes ahead of Moeen
Hiding moeen from lyon
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Not a fan of sending Woakes ahead of Moeen
Trying to keep him away from Lyon, Finch spotted and adjusted immediately though. Still interestingly poised.
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Hiding moeen from lyon
doesn't work if they just bowl someone else
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Hiding moeen from lyon
Too quick for me. Would like to see us targeting Stoinis a bit, not doing much with it, but they're probably right to try and consolidate for a little while.
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Nothing breaks an England cricket fan like relentless optimism!
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Too quick for me. Would like to see us targeting Stoinis a bit, not doing much with it, but they're probably right to try and consolidate for a little while.
I like the way they are going. Keep getting closer to the target and once you are 80-90 runs closer with 10 overs and 5 wickets in hand, go for runs.
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Does Stokes actually use GM does anybody know or is it just stickered up? I’ve never held one but the shape doesn’t look quite right for a diamond
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Starc far to good for Stokes there, coming in clutch for the Aussies like he has all tournament
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Stokes can't do it all by himself; only player who's willing to tough it out.
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That’s some ball from starc but reversing after 37 overs on a green square
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That was probably the ball of the tournament to get stokes.
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That’s some ball from starc but reversing after 37 overs on a green square
Still a total surprise to him I expect
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Pretty unplayable that
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Eurgh - disappointing from Moeen - I’m not saying I was expecting him to knock them off but was hoping he’d dig in a little more than that
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Why the fook is bayliss laughing and smiling,
He just doesn't care does he?
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Just stinks of complacency and an inept attitude to batting on anything other than roads. Had their destiny in their own hands, and just throwing it all away
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Precisely!
4 huge huge games now we're into knockout cricket!!
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I just pray to God we see Moeen/Vince out and Roy/Plunkett back in; no need to play two spinners today either
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I thought that wicket was made for Curran too God knows what he's done to upset England
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Needed Wiley in these conditions with it swinging - there would always be a game where they would need him
That Tag of flat track bullies is suiting England
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Just need Baylis to say we need to look at the data and this WC campaign is complete.
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Eurgh - disappointing from Moeen - I’m not saying I was expecting him to knock them off but was hoping he’d dig in a little more than that
At least it wasnt an ugly hoick! That was a genuinely good delivery to a new batsman.
Nonetheless, Moeen cannot be relied upon as a batsman.
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When we play on flatter pitches and pile up 350-400 we can afford to carry a passenger like Moeen. When the conditions don’t allow gung-ho cricket Moeen is a liability. Averaging 25 with the bat and 49 with the ball. You’d struggle to see such a mediocre player get a game for a minnow nation let alone the worlds number 1 side.
As for Vince, he’s not good enough. But the biggest idiot is Hales. Case closed.
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Gotta look at Bayliss here - we can’t just play one brand of cricket here.
Also look at some of his selections - Rash looks ineffective and not fully fit, why play Archer if not fully fit, and why even bother with Vince?
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I’m grumpy
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This game was lost at the toss...why bowl first?
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We seem to prefer chasing and if there was anything in the wicket I guess they thought it would be early in the match.
Like any game thou if you keep your wicket it helps players coming in behind you and that's what the Aussies did.
To be no wicket down for 90 is a great start, credit to them they are a very good side.
Vince is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic in big matches despite having all the shots, he has been very disappointing, and Curran does inject some youth in the field and don't seem overawed at all.
I expected us to lose this game but for the first time find myself in total agreement with @Mister Le Chiffre - he has got it spot on about Hales
An absolute shoe in in Roy's absence.or should have been.
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This game was lost at the toss...why bowl first?
Aussies would’ve ripped though the England line up in those conditions. England had the best of conditions
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This game was lost at the toss...why bowl first?
Because that pitch looked difficult to bat on first up England's opening bowlers wasted the new ball /made batting look easy by bowling back of a length your always gonna be up against it when you don't take a wicket and the opposition score 120 plus off the Fiirst 20 overs
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Aussies would’ve ripped though the England line up in those conditions. England had the best of conditions
They did and Aussies bowling second still ripped through them.
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Its unbelievable how Finch has turned things around...not long ago he was struggling to get any runs at all and his place in the Aus XI was under question. Now he just seems to be scoring runs for fun! Things have come together nicely for the Aussies at the right time.
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^ Agreed.
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Things have come together nicely for the Aussies at the right time.
To be fair they do most of the time. The Aussies certainly know a thing or two about momentum and turning up in tournaments.
We seem to peak early and go out with a whimper.
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I understand the benefits of keeping a team consistent, nobody plays well if they think that 1 mistake and they'll be dropped - but I'll be annoyed if there aren't changes for the next match, we have so much talent in the wings
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I understand the benefits of keeping a team consistent, nobody plays well if they think that 1 mistake and they'll be dropped - but I'll be annoyed if there aren't changes for the next match, we have so much talent in the wings
This "talent in the wings" is Plunkett, Curran, Dawson or an injured Roy though.
While changes are almost certain is there anyone there who will turn the teams fortunes?
Plunkett can take wickets in the middle overs which is a blessing.
While they're both talented players, Curran and Dawson haven't played any cricket in weeks, so are unlikely to hit the ground running in a couple of crunch games :(
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This "talent in the wings" is Plunkett, Curran, Dawson or an injured Roy though.
While changes are almost certain is there anyone there who will turn the teams fortunes?
Plunkett can take wickets in the middle overs which is a blessing.
While they're both talented players, Curran and Dawson haven't played any cricket in weeks, so are unlikely to hit the ground running in a couple of crunch games :(
Valid point but I wouldn't say Moeen is offering more than what Plunkett would at the moment. Can they only select from the world cup squad now or can others still be called into it?
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Valid point but I wouldn't say Moeen is offering more than what Plunkett would at the moment. Can they only select from the world cup squad now or can others still be called into it?
Others can only be called up to replace people in the squad who have to withdraw through injury.
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Interesting now to see whether everyone including the players keep supporting the English style of batting that has worked so well for them. I can see them going into their shells now that the pressure to stay in the comp is on. This is the true test of attacking cricket that can sometimes fail.
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So glad Lyon was picked, hopefully they've worked out he needs to be there for us to win.
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Interesting now to see whether everyone including the players keep supporting the English style of batting that has worked so well for them. I can see them going into their shells now that the pressure to stay in the comp is on. This is the true test of attacking cricket that can sometimes fail.
I actually lower my bat nowadays to the stumps level, it has worked for me so far. :)
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Look forward to the complaints from the same people calling for Moeen's head about England's bowling attack being all right arm medium pace if he does get dropped!
England's success has been heavily based on flying starts with the bat - that's what's gone missing badly in the past two games. Jason Roy is the best in the world at that, we've missed him badly - Vince is a terrible replacement for Roy, and Bairstow is an average player when not on one of his hot streaks. Billings would have been a decent Roy replacement, Moeen is probably the best we have available now unless Morgan decides he fancies opening!
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Just need Baylis to say we need to look at the data and this WC campaign is complete.
Here's one piece of WC data for him to look at : Woakes 7 matches 7 wickets one wicket every 94 balls stats that don't win world cups.
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Here's one piece of WC data for him to look at : Woakes 7 matches 7 wickets one wicket every 94 balls stats that don't win world cups.
One wicket every 43 balls. 306÷7.
Poor use of stats also doesn't win world cups.
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One wicket every 43 balls. 306÷7.
Poor use of stats also doesn't win world cups.
Okay but 7 wickets from 7 matches from your opening / death bowler is poor
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it is but when your other opener is second int he tournament with 16 its offset slightly.
Bowling isnt just about individuals, together wood and archer are averaging 26.78 (thats over all overs theyve bowled not just in partnership)
you could credit some of jofras wickets to that partnership where woakes has bowled tightly early on so theyve gone after jofra etc.
As we've all said, and im pretty sure @Seniorplayer you have too, stats only give us part of the picture, and im not saying my point above is crystal clear but all stats and data can be manipulated easily to make whatever point you want
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Woakes is not the problem.. not sure why people keep targeting him. He is a good bowler and a handy bat. For all the firepower, the bowling line up is inexperienced. There is no senior bowler in this team. Archer and Wood have pace, but will struggle when batsmen dig in and dont look to attack.
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Again, shows the value of Plunkett in those middle overs.
Terrified about Sunday right now
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Not sure why NZ keep selecting munro - really is a slogger
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Woakes is not the problem.. not sure why people keep targeting him. He is a good bowler and a handy bat. For all the firepower, the bowling line up is inexperienced. There is no senior bowler in this team. Archer and Wood have pace, but will struggle when batsmen dig in and dont look to attack.
It’s not people, just seniorplayer.
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Kiwi's not really helping us right now
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NZ carry on playing with 10 - Munro should;ve been dropped
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Can we take a moment to appreciate Kane Williamson. No fancy haircuts, no multi-million dollar endorsements, no obnoxious press conferences. Just runs, class and humility.
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Can we take a moment to appreciate Kane Williamson. No fancy haircuts, no multi-million dollar endorsements, no obnoxious press conferences. Just runs, class and humility.
yes well said. very well said.He is class and modest about his achievements
if your talking technique compared to Root,Kholi and Smith then from what I have seen Williamson is closest to text book.
you don't have to be text book to score runs of course, but if anyone is looking for the correct stance,shots and balance, I think he is the best.
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Can we take a moment to appreciate Kane Williamson. No fancy haircuts, no multi-million dollar endorsements, no obnoxious press conferences. Just runs, class and humility.
Yeah he's up there with the best. Without him NZ would n't be half the side they are. Great player. Can you imagine him Kholi, Root and Smith as a middle order!
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Yeah he's up there with the best. Without him NZ would n't be half the side they are. Great player. Can you imagine him Kholi, Root and Smith as a middle order!
No side would ever pick all four in the same playing XI, assuming it's an ODI. Kohli bats 3 then you pick one of the others to bat at 4.
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No side would ever pick all four in the same playing XI, assuming it's an ODI. Kohli bats 3 then you pick one of the others to bat at 4.
Root has opened with some success, Williamson is basically an opener due to NZs recent form, Kholi and Smith bat at 3 and 4 respectively anyway. I don't see any issue with fitting them into the same line up haha
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Root has opened with some success, Williamson is basically an opener due to NZs recent form, Kholi and Smith bat at 3 and 4 respectively anyway. I don't see any issue with fitting them into the same line up haha
Conditions dependent really, on a flat pancake most sides would want a biffer or two. On a bowler friendly track naturally proper batsmen can do a better job.
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No side would ever pick all four in the same playing XI, assuming it's an ODI. Kohli bats 3 then you pick one of the others to bat at 4.
Big statement that considering they're arguably the best 4 batsmen in the world right now in any format. Are you saying you wouldn't open with Smith, Root or Williamson instead of Vince right now if you were an England selector??! Or South Africa wouldn't have them all in their top 6 at present? Not to mention the lesser nations.
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Big statement that considering they're arguably the best 4 batsmen in the world right now in any format. Are you saying you wouldn't open with Smith, Root or Williamson instead of Vince right now if you were an England selector??! Or South Africa wouldn't have them all in their top 6 at present? Not to mention the lesser nations.
We aren't talking about playing for a particular country, I'm talking about a world XI per se
And opening the batting is a specialist position, guys like Rohit, Finch, Roy and Warner would be the four openers I'd be selecting from.
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It’s not people, just seniorplayer.
Reading the papers not only me.
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Reading the papers not only me.
and you believe everything you read in the papers?
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and you believe everything you read in the papers?
Papers.... Internet forums. It’s hard to believe anything that you read these days. Always best to back up with research.
I’ve seen people on here claim there world beaters yet their play cricket claims they average less than 3.
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We aren't talking about playing for a particular country, I'm talking about a world XI per se
And opening the batting is a specialist position, guys like Rohit, Finch, Roy and Warner would be the four openers I'd be selecting from.
Even then I'd fit them in a reckon. Open with one of Root or Williamson, then Kholi 3, Smith 4 and another whoever doesn't open either 5 or 6. Just my opinion but I get your argument. I'd just struggle to justify leaving any of them out.
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Think Neesham has got the right idea to play a few shots now.
230-240 would be a good score from here
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Is there any scenario where NZ fail to qualify ?
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Is there any scenario where NZ fail to qualify ?
Bangladesh and england effectively beat them to qualify, but bangladesh would be based on net RR
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Think Neesham has got the right idea to play a few shots now.
230-240 would be a good score from here
Quality knock from Neesham - reckon he deserved a 100
Got a score on the board to bowl at on a difficult wicket
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Quality knock from Neesham - reckon he deserved a 100
Got a score on the board to bowl at on a difficult wicket
Didn't New Zealand win the toss and elected to bat first? Why did they choose to bat on a "difficult wicket"?
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Didn't New Zealand win the toss and elected to bat first? Why did they choose to bat on a "difficult wicket"?
Slow wicket that's probably only going to get worse. You in the camp of bowling first on difficult wickets?
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and you believe everything you read in the papers?
I believe yesterday' I watched Woakes on an helpful pitch waste the new ball by bowling to short
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Slow wicket that's probably only going to get worse. You in the camp of bowling first on difficult wickets?
Got it.
I didn't know about the pitch condition except that NZ elected to bat first.
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I believe yesterday' I watched Woakes on an helpful pitch waste the new ball by bowling to short
I think the former pros suggested that woakes wasn’t as wasteful as Archer or Wood. Messrs Atherton, Hussain and Clarke all at various commentary points suggested he’d been the unlucky bowler. Granted he couldve been fuller. The collective was too short for 10.30am helpful English conditions.
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NZ carry on playing with 10 - Munro should;ve been dropped
Just the way England are playing one short with Vince in the playing 11.
If Roy is not withdrawn and replaced here is my team for the next game
Baristow, Ali, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler, Woakes, Plunkett, Rashid, Archer, Wood (if Roy is fit he comes in for Ali/Rashid)
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just for some balance on Woakes Al, BBC text said Woakes bowled beautifully and was unlucky.
I don't think we had our best day with the ball but it's no good us blaming them when we cant chase.
We bat at 100 miles an hour and nothing in between
we have to find a balance. Williamson a brilliant example of this and I havnt seen the Indians going nuts, they seem to play quite carefully and it looks under control
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just for some balance on Woakes Al, BBC text said Woakes bowled beautifully and was unlucky.
I don't think we had our best day with the ball but it's no good us blaming them when we cant chase.
We bat at 100 miles an hour and nothing in between
we have to find a balance. Williamson a brilliant example of this and I havnt seen the Indians going nuts, they seem to play quite carefully and it looks under control
Root is the only guy in the line up who can be expected to anchor an innings. Get Root early and that shakes up the entire balance.
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I believe yesterday' I watched Woakes on an helpful pitch waste the new ball by bowling to short
Is this the same Woakes who everyone else saw as pick of the bowlers? ???
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Ferguson bending his back here, been up at 149kph
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Ferguson bending his back here, been up at 149kph
He is a beast - reminds me of Flash from Blackadder
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Big drop from Latham - balls turning square now
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Santner is getting mad turn on this deck; wonder what we'll see on Sunday...
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Could England play Dawson as well as Ali and Rashid?
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I believe yesterday' I watched Woakes on an helpful pitch waste the new ball by bowling to short
I think Aaron Finch was batting against a different 'Woakesy' then...
Player of the Match is Aaron Finch. "I didn't play too badly, it's nice to get a hundred in a win. To get sent in on a wicket that was seaming around ... Woakesy bowled a hell of a spell. There's teams that you have a bit more confidence when you walk out and play. It was nipping around and seaming but we played well to rein it in, and cash in on width."
He isn't the best player in the world, but I think you should probably talk someone about your grudge you hold against him. Stats for yesterday's game alone suggest he was the pick of the bowlers.
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Could England play Dawson as well as Ali and Rashid?
Was mentioned india vs England will be played on a fresh track
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Was mentioned india vs England will be played on a fresh track
Thank god for that, with our history of playing spin against India this old track would have been curtains for us lol
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Was mentioned india vs England will be played on a fresh track
Fresh flat track :D
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Doesn’t it turn regardless where it’s a new or used pitch in Birmingham? Seen various county matches on any surface where Patel has appeared to be Murali MKII
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Looking decidedly dicey now for England. Might have to beat India and New Zealand to go through :(
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With Pakistan, you never know one wicket is all it would take for NZ to turn the game around.
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New Zealand had be due a defeat, without the rain India would’ve battered them. Kiwis had scrambled home a few time as well.
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Worst result for us England fans with Pakistan winning
Think we now have to beat India on Sunday and NZ as well.
Two sides that are better skilled than us.
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Pakistan cruising to victory.
Doing what England can’t and taking a measured approach to a below par score.
Kiwis got to be gutted with that score having chose to bat.
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Worst result for us England fans with Pakistan winning
Think we now have to beat India on Sunday and NZ as well.
Two sides that are better skilled than us.
Not only more skilled but we are handicapped with Roy’s injury
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Damn that was painful from NZ. Classic Pakistan though and now they should be full of confidence.
We actually needed that in hindsight. We should make a change at the top and I would also give Blundell the other keeper a go as Latham has been woeful. Nicholls at the top, Blundell as WK.
I don't think we were complacent, as we have not been playing that well. Better to lose now than later on...
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That drop from Latham was costly. Babar finally playing a match winning knock and taking his side over the line
Agree that Nicolls should be opening
This loss opens the tournament more - the irony on Sunday will be pak fans supporting india
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Babar Azam seems on track to join the worlds top 4-5 batsmen.
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depending on results we could potentially have 2 quarter finals for the last 2 places in the semis
England vs New Zealand and Pakistan vs Bangladesh
after looking certain top 4 a week ago this world cup has certainly got interesting with most games now critical for qualification hopes, the likes of west indies, south Africa and Afghanistan can have a big say in who qualifies for the semi finals!
yes, we're all disappointed with England in the last few days however we cant argue its made the tournament much more interesting!!
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back to the debate with the england side, having seen ow much it turns at edgbaston over the few games that have been there surely we must go in with somehitng liek this:
bairstow
ali (Roy if fit)
root
morgan
stokes
buttler
woakes
plunkett (ali if roy fit)
rashid
archer
wood
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back to the debate with the england side, having seen ow much it turns at edgbaston over the few games that have been there surely we must go in with somehitng liek this:
bairstow
ali (Roy if fit)
root
morgan
stokes
buttler
woakes
plunkett (ali if roy fit)
rashid
archer
wood
I'd go with that but can't agree with Ali opening. He's looked bereft of confidence with the bat, so not sure he'd be any use there at all. I know Vince hasn't done much but I'd back him over Ali to score runs at two. Let's hope Roy is fit!
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I'd go with that but can't agree with Ali opening. He's looked bereft of confidence with the bat, so not sure he'd be any use there at all. I know Vince hasn't done much but I'd back him over Ali to score runs at two. Let's hope Roy is fit!
i look at it as though he has just as much chance as Vince of getting to 25 and out, but more chance of going big. he is also more aggressive so more like for like than roy, also give us left and right hand (which i personally like) it also allows us to play an extra bowler in plunkett who i think we have missed badly in the games weve lost
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i look at it as though he has just as much chance as Vince of getting to 25 and out, but more chance of going big. he is also more aggressive so more like for like than roy, also give us left and right hand (which i personally like) it also allows us to play an extra bowler in plunkett who i think we have missed badly in the games weve lost
Yeah I can see the argument, its just his batting form has dropped off the edge of a cliff recently. Its almost Stuart Broad like! (Slight exaggeration obviously!).
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Not sure that was, err, out.
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So after 6 matches, West Indies still whacking it half way down. You’d think someone with half a brain would learn after that many matches...
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KL better ton up, blocking it currently
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back to the debate with the england side, having seen ow much it turns at edgbaston over the few games that have been there surely we must go in with somehitng liek this:
bairstow
ali (Roy if fit)
root
morgan
stokes
buttler
woakes
plunkett (ali if roy fit)
rashid
archer
wood
England
would be all round stronger if bag of tricks Curran came in for Woakes
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England
would be all round stronger if bag of tricks Curran came in for Woakes
Really?
Woakes has a better economy with the ball, is more useful with the bat and is a proven performer at this level. He is also in match practice.
I hardly think chucking someone in who hasn't played for 4 weeks is likely to improve the side that drastically. I would love for Curran to come into the side and prove me wrong though.
If you drop Woakes, you'd be disposing of the player with the most 4+ wicket hauls for England in ODIs, it's not easy to replace his experience which could be vital in a must win game.
In reality there's a stronger argument for dropping Mark Wood, but your obsessive loathing of Woakes seems to cloud your judgement.
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Shai Hope with the brainfade of the tournament
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You had to see it to believe that - Hope missed Dhoni twice in one ball.
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Shocking from Hope missed a regulation stumping then just watched the ball and missed it again when he tried grabbing it with Dhoni having given up. Add salt into it he is that lazy Kohli calls him through for a single lol
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England
would be all round stronger if bag of tricks Curran came in for Woakes
No they wouldn't. Just no.
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India would be better off with Pant opening and Rahul at 4. Don’t see why they need Shanker and Pandya.
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If Dhoni was any other player they'd have been dropped years ago, pathetic this
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If Dhoni was any other player they'd have been dropped months ago, pathetic this
Dhoni all about the pay cheques rather than having any self respect
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Dhoni all about the pay cheques rather than having any self respect
I remember specifically when they crashed out of the WT20 that if he felt he was of no benefit to the team he'd retire. Man only cares about himself.
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Put yourself in his shoes - earning $30-40M a year. Why would you give that up?
Self respect vs money - seen players do far worse for money
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He's still decent with the gloves, and is going okay in this - 30 odd at 70SR ain't too bad if he can pick up the pace now he's 'in'. I'm not his biggest fan as a batsman, but he's a good player waning yet still being judged by his previously high standards.
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Put yourself in his shoes - earning $30-40M a year. Why would you give that up?
Self respect vs money - seen players do far worse for money
Because the team he plays for is called India not MS Dhoni CC. He’s robbing better players the opportunity to play
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If Dhoni was any other player they'd have been dropped years ago, pathetic this
Seems to have played well, according to conditions and the role given to him
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Seems to have played well, according to conditions and the role given to him
I would disagree with this tbh. He hogged the strike from Kohli continually blocking everything. Eventually Kohli had to start hitting out earlier than he normally would, and it cost Kohli his wicket.
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Run rate climbing for the Windies 75-3 after 19 overs. 194 runs at 6.25 needed.
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80-4, Windies fading away. Unable to rotate the strike against a very decent bowling attack
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This is a fun format. A lot of teams still in the hunt.
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Pressure starting to show on Dhoni’s keeping. Missed stumping, a rarity in its self and missing straightforward takes as well.
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Windies crumbling 98-5, this Indian attack is probably the best in the competition
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I have very little confidence in us beating them on Sunday.
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Dhoni takes a worldie, no fireworks this time from big Carlos - 107-6.
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I have very little confidence in us beating them on Sunday.
If we bat first get a decent total 250-270 I’d say we’d win. India’s batting is top heavy
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Bumrah going through the lower order 107-7. Roach just about survives the hat trick ball
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Hetmyer goes and he was most certainly Windies last hope. 112-8 and it’s gonna be an absolute trashing
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India trash the Windies by 125 runs. That 1 point NZ got against India might prove very valuable
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(https://i.postimg.cc/DzPnj3Xv/FB-IMG-1561649967465.jpg)
Babar was using an SS. Sneaky marketing...
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Are the Windies effectively out after this loss? Noone seems to be talking about their chances
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West Indies are eliminated, the max points they can achieve is 7
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So do England absolutely have to win against NZ and India? No other possibilities?
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Can’t see any other options for us England fans
So much hope for this tournament I had us down as one of the best 4 sides in the tournament.
But...there is no bad luck bad pitches or really bad selection...yes we needed Roy badly...I don’t think any reasonable fan can have many complaints..
We are not quite good enough in big match situations
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And...I’ve just read an interview with Bairstow...hmmm
Well...I’m sure others will read it too. I think..sorry Jonny we know some of the pundits wind up the team but nothing has changed over the years...you got to do the business on the field mate
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Are India getting over confident though Kholi laughing at WI his players mimicking Cotterell
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Are India getting over confident though Kholi laughing at WI his players mimicking Cotterell
Wouldn’t read too much into it tbh. At the end of the game there was plenty of hugs going around between the Indians and Windies. Those two sets of players seem pretty tight
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On a random note, India will supposedly wear orange (!!!) on Sunday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48788730 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48788730)
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i think every team have an "away"/alternate kit but england
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And...I’ve just read an interview with Bairstow...hmmm
Well...I’m sure others will read it too. I think..sorry Jonny we know some of the pundits wind up the team but nothing has changed over the years...you got to do the business on the field mate
I cant even imagine players like Jonny playing for a team from the sub continent where media misses no opportunity to shred the team and players to pieces when the team loses. He would have a nervous breakdown!
He should focus his energies on the field instead.
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I cant even imagine players like Jonny playing for a team from the sub continent where media misses no opportunity to shred the team and players to pieces when the team loses. He would have a nervous breakdown!
He should focus his energies on the field instead.
He certainly took the bait here!
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Big baby Bairstow, it’s always someone else’s fault.
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Rabada's been poor all world cup - down on pace too
Faf has come out and had a go at him too.
Good start from SL - few sides not wanting SL to win today
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Not sure why Bairstow felt the need to take the bait like has done, but in essence he does have a point about the media. That being said, it's just the classic English/British pessimism; since Tuesday I've been terrified and can't help but feel like we're going to lose. I really, really hope I'm wrong, like.
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@mo_town makes the point very well, this is not India or Pakistan where the fans are far more demanding, I see the point about our press and agree some of the comments 'appear' to be they are not behind the team...
But really that's part and parcel of a big tournament and its nothing new. I think it's very fair to expect England to get to the last four..we are not going to get there and there will be a lot of upset fans but the team have got to perform on the pitch. We have only beaten the weaker teams in this tournament.
The ICC overseas the pitches and everyone knew that way before the tournament so it's no good him saying they are not 'typical English wickets'.
What he wants are flatter than flat decks so the bowlers can't move it around at all-therefore putting our own bowlers at a disadvantage.
New Zealand, Pakistan and Australia have come here on some tricky pitches and got results.
We cannot adapt our batting that's the problem..read that as not good enough to if you want.
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Rabada's been poor all world cup - down on pace too
Faf has come out and had a go at him too.
Good start from SL - few sides not wanting SL to win today
It really is depressing to see Rabada in this world cup. For a young guy, he looks burned out. Lacking the fire! Faf commented on Rabada's IPL stint but surely that cannot be the only reason.
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Faf wanted Rabada to ditch his $620,000 IPL deal when the South Africans are getting paid pretty poorly by their board...yeah I don’t think Rabada would ever have entertained that.
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Think this exposes how bad the SL loss was
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Think this exposes how bad the SL loss was
There’s still time for SA to choke... :D
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There's a video of Roy doing some running exercises and tbh he doesn't look 100% in the slightest
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There’s still time for SA to choke... :D
The choker tag no longer applies to SA. They’re just plain bad/weak now. There is another “top tier” team now (similar to SA in the 90s/00s) that is currently taking over that tag.....
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Faf wanted Rabada to ditch his $620,000 IPL deal when the South Africans are getting paid pretty poorly by their board...yeah I don’t think Rabada would ever have entertained that.
Other SA players were playing the IPL too and did not do well either way. The guy is burnt out due the amount of cricket he has played for SA.
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Where was this SA before?!
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Other SA players were playing the IPL too and did not do well either way. The guy is burnt out due the amount of cricket he has played for SA.
Rabada took 20 odd wickets in the IPL. He suffered some sort of back injury towards the tail end of the tournament.
South Africa should paid their players better salaries to avoid them having to play extra franchise tournaments to top up their income.
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Where was this SA before?!
Real question is, how the fudge did England lose to Sri Lanka...
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Worst Sri Lanka side in their history - really is embarrassing losing to them
SA doing what they do best - smashing weak teams when nothing to play for. Don’t see the point playing amla - surely better off giving markam some WC experience
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Worst Sri Lanka side in their history - really is embarrassing losing to them
SA doing what they do best - smashing weak teams when nothing to play for. Don’t see the point playing amla - surely better off giving markam some WC experience
Apparently SA want Amia To be around tp devolp the next generation of SA players.
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Afghanistan looking decent - another twist on the cards...?
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Afghanistan don't rotate the strike properly. They hammer loads of boundaries in between so many for balls. Eventually they resort to slogging a boundary to ease the pressure and lose their wickets
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Afghanistan set Pakistan 228 and if Zaman can flog a few early doors, it should be pretty straight forward.
Australia 40-2 after PP1, both Finch and Warner out. Could've 3 down but Guptill dropped Khawaja
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46-3 as Ferguson gets Smith caught in the leg trap, remarkable grab by Guptill.
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Yes Mujeeb!
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Zaman not only plumb LBW but also wastes their review a mere two balls into the innings LOL
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Zaman not only plumb LBW but also wastes their review a mere two balls into the innings LOL
There is going to be SERIOUS pressure on Pakistan this game
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Afghanistan closing in on a massive win. Pakistan 157-6, 70 needed off 57
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Australia managed to end up with 243-9, Khawaja 88 and Carey 72 giving the Aussies something to defend. Trent Boult took a hat trick, the first ever by a kiwi in world cups - also Boult's second ODI hat trick
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Gulbadin is an absolute moron bowling himself
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I guess Afghanistan don't like us after Morgan mauled them...
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Worse captains decisions ever?
Spin on top. Got plenty of spin left. Nope I’ll have an over. Put some miltraty medium to win this...........
18 runs later. “Oh shi.........”
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Wahab winning this for Pakistan
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I still can't believe that over, stinks of fixing
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Pakistan win...we will probably have to beat both India and NZ
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I still can't believe that over, stinks of fixing
Then what does Eng losing to SL stink of?
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Naib decided to ignore the advise of Asghar Afghan, on the stump mics you heard Afghan saying spin not seam. Naib being the new captain, bit of ego didn’t listen.
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Very poor umpiring decision not to give Imad out on 1 has been very costly for Afghanistan, and more than likely England too.
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New Zealand 97-3, Williamson out for 40 - was also dropped twice. Taylor gonna have to go deep to see the Kiwis home here
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"Let me congratulate Pakistan for making a simple task so difficult, well done!" - Ramiz Raja.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sah7Slc2kE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sah7Slc2kE)
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118-4, Taylor gone. Kiwis struggling to get home now
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118-5 CdG gets a duck
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Kiwis throwing it away.
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125-6, Smith takes a screamer at mid wicket. Latham out
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What a fantastic World Cup so far
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Turning into a trashing 141-8, Starc eyeing up another Michelle
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5fer Starc and Australia win by 86 runs. New Zealand exposed again
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Australia! What a team and what a comeback to the world stage!
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Alex Carey might find himself a pretty handy IPL contract if he keeps his form up.
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Today stinks of defeat, right? Or am I just being a pessimist?
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Today stinks of defeat, right? Or am I just being a pessimist?
Win the toss bat first put up 280-320. Game won. India are weak in the batting aside from Kohli and Rohit
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Alex Carey might find himself a pretty handy IPL contract if he keeps his form up.
Probably deserves a promotion up the order as well
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Win the toss bat first put up 280-320. Game won. India are weak in the batting aside from Kohli and Rohit
Agree and to do it drop 7 wickets Woakes and play the extra batsman
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Probably deserves a promotion up the order as well
He certainly deserves it, but there are a lot of people wanting, and performing in those spots. Given his role with the Strikers in BBL, I see a role for him as a 'Gilchrist' style opener, but for now, it's very handy having someone with his skills coming in at No. 7
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We are batting first Roy and Plunkett back. No Vince or Moeen
Pant replaces Shanker
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Best of luck England!
Go for it!
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India's 'away' shirt looks a bit meh
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Crunch time. I can't be the only one on tender hooks, normally optimistic but today not....
India's bowling these days is high class, it was there weakness in the past. They have always produced quality batsmen thou :)
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Plunkett in Ali dropped.
Right call?
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Plunkett in Ali dropped.
Right call?
Ball’s turning already. And Ali has a good record vs India.
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Bairstows a different batsman opening with Roy!
Best we’ve looked at start in a few games. Still a long way to go.
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What a grab that was
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Sir Jadeja earning his money as 12th man
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Bairstow 100
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205-2, Bairstow goes after a slight lull in proceedings
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Missed a trick not sending buttler ahead of root
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I think England still scoring 350 plus.
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Morgan bounced out again 207-3
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Struggling for 300 from here
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We seem to be stalling here
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Getting anxious here. Rohit and Kohli could walk this.
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Yes we have lost momentum and not much time left for Jos
He should have come in before Stokes as someone else mentioned
If there is a wicket now he has 10 overs
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Ben stokes switch hit was unreal!!
Spin still going at a decent rate today. Probably a good thing we only have 1
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Stokes is just a freak
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350 still looks on
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Root's lacklustre innings comes to an end - 277-4. Buttler time
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Root started off doing what root does best. 1s and 2s....... but the JB stopped rotating strike, missed a lot of heaves and root just lost that momentum and never got it back.
It kinda stifled England.
Don’t say it often but root should have tried to go earlier.
Bumrah bowling exceptional though. Not easy to get runs off him.
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5fer Shami and he's on a hat trick
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This is brilliant from Stokes
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Ben stokes switch hit was unreal!!
Spin still going at a decent rate today. Probably a good thing we only have 1
I think England's spin be better here due to scoreboard pressure on India
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Bumrah is far too good. His figures are ridiculous compared to his teammate
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337-7 would've taken that at the beginning of the day
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Root drops Rohit on 4 and it was a dolly
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8-1 Rahul gone C&B to Woakes
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We love Chris Woakes don’t we :)
Long way to go thou
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@Seniorplayer has been spotted at Glastonbury
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UR85sXsAA139b?format=jpg&name=small)
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We need wickets!!
It’s itchy bum time.
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Don’t see India getting anyway near this total. 198 off 138 but no batting depth
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Virat gone!!!
Caught Vince bowled plunkett
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At last Kholi gone big Plunkett gets him
Pant can go nuts thou irs nervy!!
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Pant can win this. He can also get out to a bell end shot.
And which dhoni turns up. Pandya can hit a few....... still anyone’s game.
Pant trying to run himself out twice in 3 balls. Lol
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Woakessssssssssss.
Come on boy!
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Woakes !!!!
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Woakes having another nightmare.
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Ssshh don't tell @Seniorplayer
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Anyone any ideas what shoes Johnny is wearing?
Their Nike but don't recognise them
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@Seniorplayer has been spotted at Glastonbury
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UR85sXsAA139b?format=jpg&name=small)
This is my new favourite thing
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This has been a poor over! Ruined a good day for woakes with the ball! Comeback needed form woakes here!
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That catch makes up for it! Outstanding!!!! That is superb!
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Someone slag off Woakes please
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Chris Woakes please that is outstanding
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Catch by woakes!!!
What a guy!!!
One more wicket and we into the Indians tails
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Waiting for @Seniorplayer to say it was a dolly!! 🤣🤣🤣
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Senior put your pint of real ale down and get on here! :)
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So..... do we reckon Morgan will bring himself on and go for 20 to bring India back into this??
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PLUNKO!!!!!!
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Again, Dhoni is pathetic
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Non chase from India - making this fix obvious dhoni is
Not payed a shot in anger
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Are India struggling for batting?
Dhoni just isn’t the man off old(I’ll leave csnew to claim fix every game).
Dhawan injured. Shankner didn’t show up so for in World Cup.
Just going off ipl.
But I’d have shubman gil as my number 4 and pant as my wicket keeper batsman.
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Baffling from India, why are they not tryin to hit boundaries?
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Baffling from India, why are they not tryin to hit boundaries?
Very bizzare- maybe they don’t care cuz they’re already through ?
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I imagine this is what it’s like playing against procricket1982s side.
“Right lads, they’ve gone big, under no circumstances should we try to chase it down! Keep your wicket. We will teach them for putting on a big score! Dirty white ball sloggers”
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Well done England! Very happy 😀
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Senior put your pint of real ale down and get on here! :)
Didn't see the match just got in from playing and read the comments on here so can't say to much looks like England need to thank our batters for setting this up.
Also looks like Plunkett showed once again how vital he is to this England team getting the wickets of Kohli Pandya and Pant.
Well done England.
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Totally agree about Plunkett, he was excellent today.
Woakes has a great game, fantastic catch in the deep and great economy plus wickets
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Baffling from India, why are they not tryin to hit boundaries?
Hypothetically, did they decide that they'd rather we got through than the alternative?
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Hypothetically, did they decide that they'd rather we got through than the alternative?
Erm....I don't know is the answer, commentary said they might be protecting their run rate, but they are already thru to the semis
It don't make sense. If they would rather us went thru that statement hints towards match fixing.
apart from anything else most of the crowd was Indian, the team has a duty to go for the win
If that was England I'd be mighty upset they way they played the last 10
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Anyone any ideas what shoes Johnny is wearing?
Their Nike but don't recognise them
https://www.onlinestockist.com/NIKE-DOMIN-2NS-Cricket-Spikes-2019-P5940466.aspx (https://www.onlinestockist.com/NIKE-DOMIN-2NS-Cricket-Spikes-2019-P5940466.aspx)
tempted myself!
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I do feel it was the not chased intentionally by dhoni. He didn't even try. He didn't take review for Roy's caught behind despite being experienced for those
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(https://i.postimg.cc/T24Qp3Wb/Screenshot-20190630-212414.png) (https://postimg.cc/YjQQPkR2)
@Seniorplayer @Alvaro
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It don't make sense. If they would rather us went thru that statement hints towards match fixing.
Not of the traditional variety - I think they started out to compete but, set a tough target, decided, you know what, its not the worst thing if Pakistan go out.
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Drop Woakes
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I didn't see the England vs India game but I saw the highlights. Archer had 1 dropped catch and 1 that landed close to the slip fielder. Other bowlers got their men out as well. It seemed like England bowlers had a: done their homework about areas to bowl to each Indian batsman and b: actually bowled the lines and length they had had homeworked for their intended oppo batsman. Same on the batting side, they knew whom to target and how to target them. It looked like homework was done by England and game executed as planned.
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Congratulations England. Pathetic from Dhoni. I hope he retires after the WC. I am also not sure if Pant is #4 batsman.
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Not sure why kohli complained about the short boundary on one side - it was the same for both sets of bowlers!
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Atrocious shot from Morgan.
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Congratulations England. Pathetic from Dhoni. I hope he retires after the WC. I am also not sure if Pant is #4 batsman.
Don't know why they don't play Jadeja at6-7 and promote everone else up or Play Kartik at 4. Pant is crap irresponsible,he needs to man up before he could bat for India. Hate it when he smile/laugh after he makes a mistake while batting. Shows no regret
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Hard to believe what I saw at the game yesterday. No intent to hit after pandya got out. Team india did not even try to win.
Credit to england. Their fielding was superb, clearly they showed that it was a do or die game for them.
I am just disappointed.. Specially after going all the way to.see the game.
At the gray nicolls stand saw kane Williamson's bat and alex was making couple for shaun marsh. Will shAre pics next week when I go back home.
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Don't know why they don't play Jadeja at6-7 and promote everone else up or Play Kartik at 4. Pant is crap irresponsible,he needs to man up before he could bat for India. Hate it when he smile/laugh after he makes a mistake while batting. Shows no regret
Jadeja would be in any other team in the world, gun fielder, aggressive batsman, good tight spinner....
impossible to work out why India think they don't need his experience..you would have to think Pant is a better cricketer than him and I just cant get my head round that.
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Have noticed after watching the IPL and a few other limited overs games that Dhoni has played in, swometimes he just doesn't seem to fire!
His consistancy is what they should be worrying about. He is not getting any younger but still think that he has a lot to offer India!!
Maybe move him down 1 place in the batting line-up? What is the alternative? Pant?? He looked very fidgity and inexperienced yesterday.
I think that once Pant gets a bit more experience he will be ready to take over from Dhoni....but at the moment, he needs to gain that experience (judging by yesterday!)
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Jadeja would be in any other team in the world, gun fielder, aggressive batsman, good tight spinner....
impossible to work out why India think they don't need his experience..you would have to think Pant is a better cricketer than him and I just cant get my head round that.
Replace Jadhav with Jadeja. I do not believe you will lose any in batting but Jadeja's fielding alone will save you 10 or so runs per game.
I would replace Pant with Karthik. I do not see why the Indian fans think so highly of Pant. For me he is a hit and giggle guy with no sense on how to play based on game situation.
Edit 2: Anyone have any insight on why SL keep shuffling De Silva up and down the order? It seems like every game SL has played his batting position is different.
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Amazed that guys on here are being so harsh on Pant. I am admittedly a fan of hit and giggle cricket, but genuinely believe him to be one of the most exciting cricketers in years. The way he has cleared the ropes in IPL for a couple of years now, show that when he's in, there's almost nobody better. His scoring areas are unique and he seems difficult to bowl to.
Experiences such as playing in the World Cup can only serve to shape the young man and take him to the next level IMO.
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I rate Pant and as I said, he shows exciting promise!! But in my opinion he just isn't ready yet.
If they continue to give him experience then I think he will become a fantastic player.
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And excellent batting show by SL - that'll test WI!!
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I rate Pant and as I said, he shows exciting promise!! But in my opinion he just isn't ready yet.
If they continue to give him experience then I think he will become a fantastic player.
Sure he has potential, but is he ready for WC especially playing at number 4. I do not believe he is ready. If India continue to play him he either bats at 6 or 7 or have him open and have him swing away.
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Sure he has potential, but is he ready for WC especially playing at number 4. I do not believe he is ready. If India continue to play him he either bats at 6 or 7 or have him open and have him swing away.
Dharwan will be back soon and that gives India some power up front, he may have a mixed record but can get hundreds. Pant at the expense of Jadeja is madness but correct me if im wrong Pant keeps wicket.
I don't know what Dhoni was doing against us I suppose in the Indian team its impossible to have Dhoni stand aside for Pant? I guess that will never work replacing an icon of India.
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For a ‘hit and giggle’ batsman, Pant averages nearly 50 in Test cricket - so I think he boy can play.
India’s selections are bizarre though. Pant is an opener in limited overs cricket and as such he should’ve opened with Rohit. Rohit for whatever reason doesn’t want to be aggressive in PP1, whilst Rahul whom is free flowing in the IPL struggles to hit the ball of the cut strip.
Kuldeep is a passenger, was dreadful in the IPL and has been atrocious in the World Cup.
Jadeja should be playing ahead of Kuldeep and Karthik instead of Jadhav.
Vijay Shanker has been ruled out with a broken foot and replaced by Agarwal. He should replace Rahul
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Dharwan will be back soon and that gives India some power up front, he may have a mixed record but can get hundreds. Pant at the expense of Jadeja is madness but correct me if im wrong Pant keeps wicket.
I don't know what Dhoni was doing against us I suppose in the Indian team its impossible to have Dhoni stand aside for Pant? I guess that will never work replacing an icon of India.
If Pant is in the team he needs to play as keeper, which will not happen until Dhoni retires. I feel sorry for Karthik. The guys gets selected in the original 15 but does not get any games, unless India consider him strictly a backup keeper. He is also a better fielder than Pant.
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I personally think pant is India’s future. And needed by India to chase the bigger scores.
But I think 4 is currently to high for him, unless they play him as the Roy style opener.
Anyway, West Indies need 85 off 56. Only 4 wickets left but pooran is looking good.
We reckon they are gonna start blocking out soon? 339 is a big score to chase........ oh wait Allen is trying and succeeding to hit boundaries.
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Makes sense to me:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27097247/blame-dhoni-boundary-better-side-won (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27097247/blame-dhoni-boundary-better-side-won)
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Bit of a mental game there then
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And excellent batting show by SL - that'll test WI!!
I was there today @petehosk it was a great game of cricket!! Just a shame WI couldn’t hold on to a couple of wickets so there was a batsman in at the end to take it closer
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Had they not managed to run Allen out, I reckon windies would have had it.
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Both teams out of he tournament before the match today and gave everything to win it....
Which makes India's effort yesterday a bit embarrassing.
SL and WI a credit to the game. Brilliant stuff.
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I was there today @petehosk it was a great game of cricket!! Just a shame WI couldn’t hold on to a couple of wickets so there was a batsman in at the end to take it closer
I suspect that WI may have chased it down if a certain Dre was playing!!
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Makes sense to me:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27097247/blame-dhoni-boundary-better-side-won (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27097247/blame-dhoni-boundary-better-side-won)
I agree. Eng played much much better than India did. No point blaming MSD for it. I do remember MSD said this- It's not an easy job, it does not always work your way. When you finish a lot many games, people always remember the ones you have not finished.
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Baffling from India, why are they not tryin to hit boundaries?
Bit late to the party here, but watching live I did wonder if Pandya and Dhoni were a bit distracted from the actual match by trying to remember what over they were supposed to be switching bats...
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If Pant is in the team he needs to play as keeper, which will not happen until Dhoni retires. I feel sorry for Karthik. The guys gets selected in the original 15 but does not get any games, unless India consider him strictly a backup keeper. He is also a better fielder than Pant.
After watching Pant in Australia in 2018?, I certainly rate him as a batsman and he's thoroughly obnoxious behind the stumps which is irritating to batsman and good for the team I think. I would put him in the same category as Maxwell, he won't always make runs and be responsible and will be prone to brain fades but when it's happening for him he's a match winner.
Dhoni's skills with the gloves have been below par in my opinion but I can't see him in the field and Pant behind the stumps.
I feel sorry for WI, so close on a couple of occasions and if not for poor decision making and silly mistakes they would have won a couple of really close matches which would be great for team morale instead of heatbreak.
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India bat first against Bangladesh. As if two keepers wasn't enough, India also now include Karthik in place of Jadhav. Kumar also replaces Kuldeep.
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Bit unfair on Jadhav being dropped for that non-chase
Jadeja still not picked. Don't think Bangladesh will mind chasing
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Sorry 4 keepers for India today forgot about Rahul. India will need 360-380 today
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Unless Rahul gets a massive hundred don't see how he can play when Agarwal joins the squad. Rahul struggling to hit the ball off the square most of the time
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Tamim drops Rohit and it was a dolly
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India 69-0 after PP1. I guess they got a rocket after the go slow on Sunday
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Not sure if anyone noticed, Rohit Sharma is using a SS bat ( sticker on top of the handle) and there is his name on the toe.
:D
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Teams just love dropping Sharma dont they
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India actually looking to hit 6s today, complete contrast to the other day ;)
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This guy Rohit makes it look too damn easy. His average as opener is approaching 60, staggering
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Fourth hundred in this World Cup for Rohit, joins Sangakkara as the only two men to score 4 centuries in one tournament.
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195-2 Sharma 104 and Rahul 77 as Bangladesh try to slow the Indians down. Lacklustre effort by Rahul
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Seems like we're getting another Dhoni masterclass
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I want pant to get a decent score here. But...... I want Bangladesh to win, so need India to get a low score.
So confusedddddddd..
Dhoni currently at an sr of 50. Will he go today?
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Dhoni smokes a 4 and pant gets out next ball....... power of the post........
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BD in with a real chance here
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So 314 for 9. After breaking all sorts of records up front.
Below par?
Par?
Can Bangladesh chase this Down. I hope so.
Funny how after 4 games some claimed the top 4 was nailed on and all these games were dead rubbers....
These still has a place riding on it.
Tomorrow’s game has something riding on it....... 6 teams still able to qualify.
And even yesterday’s dead rubber was a decent game.
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Come on Bangladesh!
A win here really puts a spanner in the works going into the final round of group games.
When are the dead rubbers everyone went on about starting?
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Come on Bangladesh!
A win here really puts a spanner in the works going into the final round of group games.
When are the dead rubbers everyone went on about starting?
Given NRR of BD/Pak, the only chance they have is if Eng loses to NZ. Otherwise the top four remain AUS NZ Ind Eng
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Given NRR of BD/Pak, the only chance they have is if Eng loses to NZ. Otherwise the top four remain AUS NZ Ind Eng
Correct England one foot in the semis
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Correct England one foot in the semis
Don't get ahead of yourself!
England still have to beat New Zealand to guarantee their place.
If they slip up (again) it opens to door for Pakistan (or Bangladesh, if they win today) to take the last semi-final place.
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Bumrah bowls the Indians into the semifinals, beating the Bangladeshi's by 28 runs
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Rohit Sharma = 2 dropped catches = 2 centuries!
What else do you want from a top batsman?
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We have been blessed with a road and a toss winner in Morgam
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NZ not done great chasing this WC - so good toss to win
Ferguson loss will be massive. Hopefully Southee can repeat what he did last WC
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my nerves are going to get shredded again today.
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Signs already looking ominous for NZ. Looks a good track - 350+
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How badly do NZ have to lose to open the door for Pakistan NRR wise? As much as i enjoy watching Williamson /Taylor bat Pakistan are definitely more entertaining so I would prefer them and England to go through if possible.
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This is exciting for neutrals as it's a must win game (more so for England due to New Zealand's net run rate) but this isn't good for my blood pressure...
Come on England!
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Matt Henry must be loving only going at 4 an over. Used to seeing him looking at the stands to see what row the ball is in.
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Chance to send buttler next after this platform
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Glorious start, this team is too good to miss out on top 4
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Skip Root, send in Morgan, stokes, buttler. If the 2nd opener is out send in root to rotate the strike but get the big guns in early
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I think buttler should be ahead of Stokes but Root can control the game from 3 its perfect for his style ad the team
he should be 3 in the test side too but lets not get started on that :)
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I think buttler should be ahead of Stokes but Root can control the game from 3 its perfect for his style ad the team
he should be 3 in the test side too but lets not get started on that :)
Root can control the game but run rate has slowed now how many overs do England want Buttler to bat
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Root can control the game but run rate has slowed now how many overs do England want Buttler to bat
Should've sent Woakes in...
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Run rate was 6.8 when Roy got out, now 6.46 and has been over 6 since Root came in. Not really a factor is it? Considering a new bat has come to the crease obviously I'd say this was more than acceptable.
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the run rate usually slows in the middle overs.thats the pattern of many games. Yes we need the big hitting but we also need Root to get runs and stay in.
nothing slows the run rate more than wickets falling. We need 350 agreed today, its flat.
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think its fair to say since JB went back to Grays he has found his form. Which proves beyond doubt your kit matters.
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how many overs do England want Buttler to bat
Buttler promoted to no.4 with 19.5 overs left.
Buttler opens in the IPL, which is 20 overs per side
Coincidence? ;)
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Jonnnyyyyy nooooo
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Here comes the collapse...
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How poor has southee been - was better off playing the leggie
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248-5 with 8 overs less. Morgan gonna have to give it a slog to see us get 330
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How poor has southee been - was better off playing the leggie
Neesham bowling faster than Southee :o
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Keep them under 300 might be in for a shout. Pitch looking like its slowed down quite a bit
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Woakes wastes 11 balls to score 4 run rate now 5.76
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Woakes wastes 11 balls to score 4 run rate now 5.76
Not sure the run rate dropping to 5's is because Woakes got 4 off 11. Pitch seems to be slowing up and losing wkts haven't helped.
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Woakes wastes 11 balls to score 4 run rate now 5.76
I don't think that's a good comparison. we have 4 overs left and Plunkett is in, Rash can bat but the others not much
the lower order is not going to get us 50 not outs which I why I said earlier Root needs to stay in, which he didn't.
Woakes is a bowling all rounder, he was superb in the last match and is a gun fielder. Stokes probably, but not many others in the team, would of caught that catch in the deep full pelt and diving.
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Massive wicket getting morgan there
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We keep talking about Woakes, Archer etc can bat, when have they actually fired in this tournament?
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Hope England bat the full 50
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Woakes wastes 11 balls to score 4 run rate now 5.76
For an opening batsman with a career average lower than England's run rate you're very vocal about international players batting... ;)
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Well done Plunkett and Rashid excellent partnership to get England to 301 for 8.
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Really don't think this is enough unless we pelt them in the first powerplay. Hope I'm wrong.
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We keep talking about Woakes, Archer etc can bat, when have they actually fired in this tournament?
At least twice already?
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Poor decision not to review that
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its out thou and its Chris Woakes who gets the breakthrough. In big games he makes decent contibutions.
dunno why he is not knighted myself
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What a take from Buttler
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That's the chase over - should go for 240-250 and secure a semi final place
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That's the chase over - should go for 240-250 and secure a semi final place
not over till Williamson is out. Taylor is a rabbit dont need to worry about him
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At what stage can England fans start to relax and enjoy today's game?
All the while Williamson is there I'm nervous.
New Zealand have the power in the middle order that the rate won't be overly concerning for them yet, either.
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@WalkingWicket37 agreed key wickets in my opinion would be Williamson and De Grandehomme here. 2 players in form and De Grandehomme can give it a good whack.
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Massive massive stroke of luck to get rid off Williamson there!!!
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now Williamson is out those of a nervous disposition can relax and remove nappies.
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Mark Wood u hero
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The most satisfying thing about this is pretty much knocking Pakistan out
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Williamson is such a class player so breathed a sigh of relief whe he went - REALLY unlucky dismissal to be fair!!
Just what was Taylor thinking? I don't mind but that was such a village way to go! :o
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NZ probably don’t deserve a semi finals spot. Got lucky early on with some tosses on green tops then a washout
Aren’t batting too well. Batting order is all wrong - Latham should be opening with nicolls in the middle order
Semi’s line up looks like aus vs nz and ind vs eng
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Being rained off against India may have got nz into the semis.
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Turning up now when it matters, fancy us against India at Edgbaston
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Based on the article on Cricinfo - https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27094787/how-england-win-affects-bangladesh-pakistan (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27094787/how-england-win-affects-bangladesh-pakistan)
The top four are now pretty much set based on the current state of Eng/NZ game. The only question would be who will be 1st or 2nd. My guess it will stay as is Aus, India, Eng and NZ.
For Pakistan to make it to semi's they will have to beat Bangladesh by 300+ runs and I do not see that happening based on current form of both teams. I expect Bangladesh to actually win the game and both end up on 9 points.
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Wish it was 1 vs 2 and 3 vs 4...at least gives a chance of Ind vs Eng final rather than a possibly another Ashes ODI final which we will be watching for the rest of the summer...
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India Vs Australia in the final it is then
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Pakistan can knocked out by simply losing the toss. Ahahahahahaha.
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Since the semifinal spots are pretty much set, how about a combined fifteen based on performance/consistency, with designated starting eleven.
Combined 15 - Warner, Rohit, Williamson (captain), Root, Kohli, Shakib, Carey (wk), Starc, Bumrah, Boult/Ferguson, Tahir. The reserve player are Finch, Bairstow (backup keeper, extra batsmen), Chahal
Disappointment 15 - Gayle, Amla, Smith, Ross Taylor, Du Plessis (captain), De Kock (wk), Maxwell, Cummins, Rashid Khan, Rabada, Hasan Ali. Reserve player - Dhoni (wk, extra batsmen), Woakes, Fakhar, Hope, Pandya
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Since the semifinal spots are pretty much set, how about a combined fifteen based on performance/consistency, with designated starting eleven.
Combined 15 - Warner, Rohit, Williamson (captain), Root, Kohli, Shakib, Carey (wk), Starc, Bumrah, Boult/Ferguson, Tahir. The reserve player are Finch, Bairstow (backup keeper, extra batsmen), Chahal
Disappointment 15 - Gayle, Amla, Smith, Ross Taylor, Du Plessis (captain), De Kock (wk), Maxwell, Cummins, Rashid Khan, Rabada, Hasan Ali. Reserve player - Dhoni (wk, extra batsmen), Woakes, Fakhar, Hope, Pandya
How can you say that woakes was a disappointment??
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How can you say that woakes was a disappointment??
My expectation of Woakes was a lot higher, especially since he was considered the leader of the England attack and someone who can bat. His bowling figures are middle of the pack and batting was pretty much non existent other than the game where he came in one down after Roy was injured. Heck Cummins has better figures than Woakes and he still ended up in the disappointed in performance team :D. For me both Woakes and Cummins are excellent players.
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Woakes bowled like 3 straight maidens and got a wicket in his first spell against India. What more do you want?!
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How’s stokes not in your top 15?
He’s took wickets. Ridiculous catches!! And carried England on his back with the tail when we’ve failed at the top!
He nearly won two games on his Todd!
Plus he played that ridiculous switch hit for six.
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How's Pandya on the 2nd list? :o
He has scored runs, taken wickets and fielded well.
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Woakes did have moments of brilliance but I do not believe he was consistent. Stokes barely missed out being in the first team but Shakib was better overall plus he provided the 2nd spin option in the eleven. If Shakib got injured and needed to be replaced would I have been able to get 10 overs per game from Stokes without impacting his batting? I do not believe that would have been possible so I would have replace him with one of the other pace bowlers and have Root/Williamson the 2nd spinner role. As of right now Shakib is player of the tournament for me. Pandya numbers are not great. 187 from 7 innings and 7 wickets. I expected better from him especially after Dhawan was injured and he got more opportunity to bat.
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Disappointing WC for Gayle - he's usually pretty good at smashing weaker sides.
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Windies should do away with Gayle tbh. They should be building the side around Lewis, Hope, Hetmyer and Pooran.
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Talented Combined Team - under 26yrs - Lots of bowling options, but batsman were slim picking.
Adian Markham (captain), Hope, Babar, Pooran, Hetmyer, Pandya, Pant(keeper), Cummins, Archer, Rashid Khan, Bumrah, Mujeeb Ur Rahman, Avishka Fernando, Mustafizur Rahman, Ikram Alikhil/ Liton Das,
Players who missed out - Shabad Khan, Kuldeep Yadav, Andile Phehlukwayo, Lungi Ngidi, Rahmat Shah (it was a tough WC for spinners)
Ikram Alikhil is excellent prospect for Afg when he has the chance to bat higher up the order. He has a low strike rate but he has the potential to get better as he gains experience since he is only 18 yrs old.
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Things that are nutty this tournament
- Including the Pak/Ban game tomorrow, we'll have had a total of 3 dead rubbers in a 48 game tournament
- Kohli not scoring a ton
- 300+ only being chased down successfully once
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@shadowlight the only list Markram should be on is the disappointments. Not just for the world cup, but ODIs in general!
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They should move to the IPL style format for the knockout stage, with 1 vs 2, winner to the final and loser to play the winner of 3 vs 4.
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@shadowlight the only list Markram should be on is the disappointments. Not just for the world cup, but ODIs in general!
Fair enough. The other player that I missed was Imam-ulHaq.
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Pakistan bat first against Bangladesh. Pakistan can still go through if they score 400+ and then skittle Bangladesh. Not happening in a month of Sunday’s.
Shaun Marsh out of the tournament with a broken arm.
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They should move to the IPL style format for the knockout stage, with 1 vs 2, winner to the final and loser to play the winner of 3 vs 4.
It’s a World Cup not a mercenary T20 league
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Pakistan are in danger of being out of the World Cup before their 50 overs is up at this rate!
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sky sports showing the final free IF England get there so I hear..
a small victory for those of us on the forum, and thousands of others, who believe England Internationals should be available for families on lower incomes.
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sky sports showing the final free IF England get there so I hear..
a small victory for those of us on the forum, and thousands of others, who believe England Internationals should be available for families on lower incomes.
I assume that would be on Sky one and not actual fta?
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Yes that is what I heard. You still need a Sky subscription?
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What happened to Sarfaraz?
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What happened to Sarfaraz?
Imad flogged one back and it hit Sarfaraz on the elbow.
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NZ qualify
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Goodbye Pakistan, thank God
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Goodbye Pakistan, thank God
Ind/Pak and AUS/Eng would have been fantastic semi finals.
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sky sports showing the final free IF England get there so I hear..
a small victory for those of us on the forum, and thousands of others, who believe England Internationals should be available for families on lower incomes.
you can watch all games online for free
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Very glad Pakistan are out after a bowling performance like that
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This might be the first time a team is knocked out after four consecutive wins (Pak), and also the first time a team qualifies despite theee consecutive losses leading up to the semis (NZ).
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Such is life... and the way things pan out...
If Pak had played Sri Lanka they would probably have another point and New Zealand gained a point for a washed out India game...
Based on that I thought Pakistan were very unlucky to miss out. Like always they got stronger as the tournament progressed... Meeting India again in the semis or final would have been a great match!
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Very glad Pakistan are out after a bowling performance like that
Give it a few years and they will have a very good bowling attack. Shaheen is very young, you still have Hasnain (19) and Shinwari (25) who can get up to 90mph or close...
Shadab is still young but has valuable experience and Amir will still be in his pomp... It does make you think how good Amir would have been if he hadn't been coerced by Butt and Asif and lost 5 years at the top level...
Imam and Fakhar have a good understanding... just need a bit more depth in the batting ... I think the next few years could be good for Pakistan fans... Unsure about Test cricket though ... :(
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Imam and Fakhar have a good understanding...
I really hope that Pakistan take a closer look at their opening duo. Imam can't handle short ball and struggles against genuine quicks. Fakhar is hit-or-miss, more miss than hit.
They have a tendency to stick with wrong guys namely Malik and Hafeez.
Bring Rizwan in the fold and groom him. Bring other young batsmen to replace Imam. Yes shocking that I want him gone even though he scored a century. He was horrible during the tourney. Maybe try Harris Suhail.
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I like the opening pair... just going through a bad patch.. they can improve and iron out faults... no need for knee jerk reaction...
But def better middle order required...
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^ It's not a bad patch, they lack good technique. They get found out against good bowling. 4 years is plenty of time to find new guys and get them ready for 2023 CWC. I don't understand this mentality of persisting with incapable players. Hafeez? Sho Malik? Had they not played Harris Suhail, the ranking would've been even worse. Time for drastic measure. Selectors did a horrible job as well.
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They missed out on a semi final place based on net run rate and 2 rained off games... signs are positive ..
At least we agree re the middle order...👍🏼
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SL crumbling against India, 55-4 after 12 overs
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Decent rescuing 100 from Mathews there.
Bumrah excellent as always.
As was jadeja. Not really sure why he doesn’t play.
As India have got less than 300 to chase, we reckon they will have a crack at it?
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Saffers off to an absolute flier
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Nice stumping by Carey in his new Masuri gloves.
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Nice stumping by Carey in his new Masuri gloves.
So who is paying him, Ton or Masuri?
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It's an unusual one, protection will be all masuri and using a ton bat. There's not quite the money people think there is with sponsorship and it"s getting tighter.
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Aussies fancy us at Edgbaston then?
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Rohit setting a few records today. First man to score 5 centuries in one World Cup. Equals Tendulkar’s 6 World Cup hundreds. Third consecutive century as well. Also the highest run scorer in this World Cup. Decent day at the office for old Rohit
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India outclass Sri Lanka winning at a canter by 7 wickets and plenty of overs to spare.
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Aussies in trouble here. SA back to playing well in games that don’t matter
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Aussies crumbling 33-2 and Khawaja pulls a hamstring
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Khawaja hurt, Smith gone
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Aussies in trouble here. SA back to playing well in games that don’t matter
Those SA boys probably wanted to get one over the 40 grit boys
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Looking like eng vs aus and Ind vs nz now
Unless warner can do something special
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Shamsi looks like he’s had a fair few pies
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Maxwell undone by the short ball
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Don’t think england would mind facing this Aussie side with all the injuries
Handscomb should’ve been in the original squad - wade might finally get a look in for khawaja
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It looks like....we would be better off playing Australia, India are peaking just right and if we could keep Starc at bay we can score off the other bowlers.
India are looking a bit good right now, better with Jadeja in
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Warner and Carey taking a hold on this now...
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This lad Carey is some talent!
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Some of the catches we've seen through this whole tournament have been nothing short of incredible
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Carey taking this home
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Cracking innings from Carey this.
Just not sure he’s got enough partners to bring it home....
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Game over!
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Had khawaja came out and batted with carey, reckon they’d have done tht.
Carey batting like it was all on him and got out. Aus missed a trick.
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Will gladly take that for semi-final at Fortress Edgbaston rather than a 96% crowd packed with Indians
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Will gladly take that for semi-final at Fortress Edgbaston rather than a 96% crowd packed with Indians
Not like tickets are going on sale after today's results. What if 96% Indian crowd have already bought tickets beforehand for semis.
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Not like tickets are going on sale after today's results. What if 96% Indian crowd have already bought tickets beforehand for semis.
They will flock to get rid of them and spend a stupid amount getting to the other.
Admittedly right now the weather doesn't look encouraging on either Thu or the reserve day...
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Dussen and Markram look great! Where was this SA before?! Sheesh.
Is UT Khawaja out of the semis? Aus batting looked a little shaky.
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Still find it Wierd we are classed as the best odi side.......
And although I don’t technically think we’ve played as well as we could have this WC.
I’m actually referring to the thousands off I’d ians on twitter celebrating the aus lose so they can avoid us in the semis.
It’s weird that teams, and fans are scared of England. In an odi!!
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With a potential rain affected game on Thursday, could be a massive toss with a potential d/l
Then again weather could clear and have no effect
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Khawaja out of the World Cup with that hamstring strain. Matthew Wade has been selected as the replacement.
Stoinis struggling as well and Mitch Marsh could be named the replacement
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Khawaja out of the World Cup with that hamstring strain. Matthew Wade has been selected as the replacement.
Stoinis struggling as well and Mitch Marsh could be named the replacement
IMO the Aussies would be stronger with Wade in the side over Khawaja
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Kohli is an awful t.o$$er, never wins it
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Thought NZ might have been tempted to bowl. Might do a bit in these conditions and possibly D/L later
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Come on New Zealand!
India's opening bowlers aren't making this easy though
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Bumrah far too good for walking wicket Guptill
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Had a feeling this would happen - Guptill's poor wc continues
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150 should be enough on this road and ridiculously fast outfield. Lucky India also have no one who can score quickly or go big.
We got this.
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19 overs left - platform set. Probably time to tee off and get to 280
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Has Taylor realised the entire point of batting is to score runs? Looks like he's batting for India at the moment
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No chance of 250 now, this has been very poor from taylor.
Be lucky to get 230 here
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India should’ve played Shami instead of Chahal. Both wrist spinners have been lacklustre in the World Cup
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India lucky there, they came very light on bowling
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India lucky there, they came very light on bowling
You can take risks when you’re playing a below average side like New Zealand, whom are lucky to be in the semis
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Looking like a 20 over chase. NZ should’ve fielded first but looks like they have got carried away with sides batting first
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I am confused. I thought if the game was not completed today it would be a full game again tomorrow, but Cricinfo's seems to indicate that NZ will play out the remaining overs tomorrow and India will bat the full 50 overs.
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I am confused. I thought if the game was not completed today it would be a full game again tomorrow, but Cricinfo's seems to indicate that NZ will play out the remaining overs tomorrow and India will bat the full 50 overs.
Continuation of the game match is the only logical decision. Restarting the match and potentially more rain tomorrow would be ridiculous
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Apparently there will be thousands of empty seats in the second semi :
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27155227/edgbaston-set-sparse-attendance-ticketing-confusion (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27155227/edgbaston-set-sparse-attendance-ticketing-confusion)
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Will be a fair few empty seats tomorrow too. Can’t imagine too many fans retained their ticket stubs for re-entry
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Todays possible scenerio. it seems DWL law is hard for team chasing. India would like full match, NewZealand might be happy with shortened version
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvNPhn2Y/nz-innings.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/y82wFdPN/nz-runrate.png)
Why do India need to chase at over 6 Run per over when NZ is no where near 300 in 50 overs is beyond my understanding.
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On the ICC website it shows tickets available for tomorrow but when I try and add them to my basket it says "unauthorised access". Has anyone had any luck getting any?
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On the ICC website it shows tickets available for tomorrow but when I try and add them to my basket it says "unauthorised access". Has anyone had any luck getting any?
Would try stubhub, fair few going at less than face value
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New Zealand 225-6 with 2 overs to go. Sir Jadeja just ran out Taylor from the boundary with a staggering piece of fielding
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Bits and pieces cricketer as Sanjay Manjrekar would say. Ah.
India will chase this down with ease
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Would try stubhub, fair few going at less than face value
I must have missed the boat as they are all expensive now from what I can see
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Bits and pieces cricketer as Sanjay Manjrekar would say. Ah.
India will chase this down with ease
Manjrekar is a (No Swearing Please) tbh. Living in the shadows of his fathers legacy.
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239-8 for the Kiwis. Rohit eyeing up a 4th consecutive hundred
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Perfect start - rohit gone. Couple more in the powerplay and there's a chance
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Despite everyone seeming to think this chase is a formality, it's not over yet!
Come on New Zealand! :D
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get kohli and its game on
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Kohli gone too - perfect bowling conditions these
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Mediocre decision. Ball barely grazing the bails
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This is why you never ask 'who's winning'
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Now this is interesting. Always good to see Kholi get none - especially on umpires call
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Mediocre decision. Ball barely grazing the bails
The ball was still hitting the stumps. If you get bowled by a ball that just grazes the bails it's still out isn't it.
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3 down - no one gave nz a chance!
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wow
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Unbelievable scenes
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India lost upper hand after yesterday's call off. Today is fresh start and NZ making it work.
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The ball was still hitting the stumps. If you get bowled by a ball that just grazes the bails it's still out isn't it.
The umpire gave a decision based on hope rather than accuracy
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Mediocre decision. Ball barely grazing the bails
It's ironic that Kohli is out to a decision like that, he has been vocal in his dislike of LBWs remaining not out on umpires call!
Think the umpires have that in mind when it hits his pads now?
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The umpire gave a decision based on hope rather than accuracy
Oh rubbish. Absolute rubbish. The umpire (neutral professional) gave it out because he thought it was hitting the stumps, struck him in line and pitched in line, guess what, he was proven right. There would always be a reason the world was against Kholi
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It's ironic that Kohli is out to a decision like that, he has been vocal in his dislike of LBWs remaining not out on umpires call!
Think the umpires have that in mind when it hits his pads now?
LOL hopefully
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Oh rubbish. Absolute rubbish. The umpire (neutral professional) gave it out because he thought it was hitting the stumps, struck him in line and pitched in line, guess what, he was proven right. There would always be a reason the world was against Kholi
Michael Holding, someone with more knowledge than you who’s just salty on Kohli, openly stated umpires call means the umpire is guessing.
I’ll take the great West Indian’s opinion over yours
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Looking forward to the internet melting down if NZ win this.
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yes NZ, i think Roy and Bairstow fancy hitting you around only for Williamson and Taylor to block the pants out of it chasing.
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Michael Holding, someone with more knowledge than you who’s just salty on Kohli, openly stated umpires call means the umpire is guessing.
I’ll take the great West Indian’s opinion over yours
Umpires call categorically DOES NOT mean the umpire is guessing.
Umpires call is in DRS as the tracking software is not 100% accurate so they have built in half a ball width margin for error on the outside of the stump, thus allowing this the umpires decision to stand when it is close.
This also gives the umpire benefit to make more accurate calla and not be proven wrong by slightly inaccurate tracking.
this has always been the case and its crazy how many people don't understand what exactly umpires call means and why it is there, including current and former players, pundits and joe public
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Mediocre decision. Ball barely grazing the bails
Ok. Next time I am bowled with the ball “barely grazing the bails”, I will ask the umpire to let me continue batting.
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WHAT A CATCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jimmy Neesham take a bow!!!!!
wow!
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Dhoni is hiding? I'm done.
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Michael Holding, someone with more knowledge than you who’s just salty on Kohli, openly stated umpires call means the umpire is guessing.
I’ll take the great West Indian’s opinion over yours
This is the same person that accused the Australians of intimidating the umpires into giving Chris gayle out in the WI vs Aus game. Again total rubbish. Pundits are there to say controversial things in order to gain traction in the media. Even if kholis off stump was ripped out someone would have found a way of making an excuse.
The umpire thought it was out, so gave it.
As alexhilly says, that is the reason for the umpires call, that is a fact. Not so the umpires can have a guess and a jolly good laugh when the yellow box comes up because they've pulled one over on virat.
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Michael Holding, someone with more knowledge than you who’s just salty on Kohli, openly stated umpires call means the umpire is guessing.
I’ll take the great West Indian’s opinion over yours
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HAHAHAHAHA that is amazing :D :D :D
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Excellent work so far from NZ. It’s NZ game to lose now.
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I love the way horribly self centred players (Kohli, Dhoni) review an lbw even when they are standing right in front of the stumps. And the bloke at the other end doesnt have the balls to tell him to walk.
Reminds me of Shane Watson.
Lets hope the boys in black get the job done.
good point. but no one quite can top Shane Watsons reviews, its a highlight reel all on its own, most of them hitting halfway up middle.
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Stupid shot from Pant
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Brainless from pant as per usual... Huge uphill battle from here
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Pants from Pant yet again...
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92/6
And another unnecessary shot.
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I love this game
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Stuck at work 😞
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Stuck at work 😞
Not that i would encourage you watch it at work :-)......but one thing I noticed the other day was you can watch the cricket on betfair if you have an account (and work allows access to their site of course).
And bizarrely that stream is ahead ( by approx 15/20 seconds) of my Virgin Media stream on the tele.
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As awful as Pandyas shot was, MS Dhoni is as much to blame. strutting in after hiding in the change rooms with no intent and goes at a strike rate of under 50 while the required run rate lifts and the pressure shifts to the guy at the other end. no intent and no help to his team mates, who will inevitably attract the criticism for throwing their wickets away in an attempt to move the scoreboard along.
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someone got to say it
ooooooooooooooooooooohhhh Ravi Jadeja
what an effort this is
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If India pull this off they've snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.
Jadeja is the key here, if he goes I think it will be the game!
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Yeah great knock from Jadeja but this is too much for them to do in the end I reckon. Two paced pitch and the boundaries aren't that small, mix it up with cutters and slower ball bouncers and it's gonna be too difficult to hit enough boundaries to win.
New Zealand just need to remain calm and they'll win.
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Looking at whos got overs left, please dont bowl Matt Henry, he bowls slot.
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This has been some knock from Jadeja.
Don't trust NZ's death bowling. 40 off 4, india's game now
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Whatever the result, what a game!
Still hoping for New Zealand to pull this off.
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Looking at whos got overs left, please dont bowl Matt Henry, he bowls slot.
Here we go.
Make or break time!
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Good over that from Henry
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I still think one good over for either side could swing this.
Come on Trent!
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YES!
GET IN THERE TRENT!
That could be the game.
Don't write MS off yet though
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Calm as you like from Williamson
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Poor from dhoni, put jadeja under pressure.
Great captaincy to bowl boult this over
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WHAT A THROW FROM GUPTILL
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That was unbelievable from guptill
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I take a call and Dhoni gets run out!
Surely that's the game?
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What a shame bye, bye India
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9 down, 23 to win off the last over.
Will there be an unlikely hero?
Come on New Zealand!
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Imagine not liking cricket
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What a great game.
Now...over to you England.
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England should be given the trophy now. Kiwis will choke just like in 2015
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England should be given the trophy now. Kiwis will choke just like in 2015
They need to get past Australia first!
I hope tomorrow isn't so tense, I wont be able to focus on anything.
today was bad enough as a neutral!
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You can take risks when you’re playing a below average side like New Zealand, whom are lucky to be in the semis
This has aged well! ;) :D
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ok so who thought that would happen after 10 overs yesterday?
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I really hope for the love of God we turn up tomorrow; Kiwi's obviously decent but I don't think we'll ever have a better chance to win it than this...
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Herculean effort from Jadeja in spite of carrying Dhoni for the best part of their partnership. Incredible career MS, but its time to pull up stumps I think.
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You can take risks when you’re playing a below average side like New Zealand, whom are lucky to be in the semis
Hahahahahahaha
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Herculean effort from Jadeja in spite of carrying Dhoni for the best part of their partnership. Incredible career MS, but its time to pull up stumps I think.
Don't want to do down Jadeja's performance by any means but I think you're being a bit unfair to Dhoni's contribution to the partnership and nearly to the win. His calmness under pressure got them back in the game
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Yeah as well as all of his elegant leaves and dot balls
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Hahahahahahaha
I'm still laughing at Mickey Arthur claiming Pakistan deserved to go through LMAO
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This has aged well! ;) :D
My comment stands. They are a b grade side. One lucky day out doesn't change anything
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Yeah as well as all of his elegant leaves and dot balls
As much as I enjoyed NZ winning, I think people are being unfair to Dhoni. He wanted to take the game till the end and backed himself to smash 15 an over in the last two. Were it not for guptills insane runout, msd might have pulled it off.
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No one gave NZ a chance coming into the semi's. What a win to send them through to the semi's, their bowling in the first 15 was suburb.
Guptill saving his best for the final now
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My comment stands. They are a b grade side. One lucky day out doesn't change anything
We do ok for a B grade side.
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Congratulation NZ. No one gave you a chance.
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My comment stands. They are a b grade side. One lucky day out doesn't change anything
Lucky? Did you watch it. They were excellent today.
For a "b grade side" they did themselves proud.
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Would try stubhub, fair few going at less than face value
I suspect there will be a few tickets available for the final now!
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As much as I enjoyed NZ winning, I think people are being unfair to Dhoni. He wanted to take the game till the end and backed himself to smash 15 an over in the last two. Were it not for guptills insane runout, msd might have pulled it off.
It was Jadeja playing out of his skin that took the game deep, and who might have taken it deeper if he wasn't playing catch up for Dhoni. Sure MS could have won it with an over or two of high risk cricket, but had he played smart cricket and turned the strike over, he and Jadeja would have been needing 5 or 6 an over instead of 12+ towards the end
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Was a good game. India haven’t been that impressive this tournament.
Kohli wasn’t a world beater.
Rahul didn’t show up.
Pant got chucked in deep end despite not being in original squad.
jadeja should have played every game.
Dhoni shouldn’t have been near the side. Probably cost them games.
Bumrah and rohit were excellent though.
But two guys can’t win a world cup.
Well played NZ though.
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No one gave NZ a chance coming into the semi's. What a win to send them through to the semi's, their bowling in the first 15 was suburb.
Guptill saving his best for the final now
Guptils been shocking.
Just tell Munro to tee off from ball one and at worst you’d have the same start.
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Guptils been shocking.
Just tell Munro to tee off from ball one and at worst you’d have the same start.
Rather have southee open than either of them
Any one else notice chalal using a Laver
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As much as I enjoyed NZ winning, I think people are being unfair to Dhoni. He wanted to take the game till the end and backed himself to smash 15 an over in the last two. Were it not for guptills insane runout, msd might have pulled it off.
Your point is absolutely valid.
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Dhoni these days is not as destructive, he was letting hittable balls go by in this innings. he takes the game really deep like a high stakes gambler.
with 2 bowlers behind jadeja the question will be why didn't he go earlier when jadeja was pumping it into the stands and nearly won the game.
So.....its a judgement call. Knowing Indian fans as I do(my best mate is Indian and we just talk or watch cricket) they will think he got it wrong and is now too old..
personally im not sure NZ are getting enough cresdit, they are a tough side to beat with decent bowlers
I wonder now comments about Taylors batting(slowly) yesterday are being shown to be stupid. He read the pitch and though 240/ 250 good enough on that wicket.
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I wonder now comments about Taylors batting(slowly) yesterday are being shown to be stupid. He read the pitch and though 240/ 250 good enough on that wicket.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. He still batted poorly.
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personally im not sure NZ are getting enough cresdit, they are a tough side to beat with decent bowlers
NZ are also very lucky! Somehow stars aligned for them to have the chances and conditions that favored them but I guess, that's cricket. :)
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As much as I enjoyed NZ winning, I think people are being unfair to Dhoni. He wanted to take the game till the end and backed himself to smash 15 an over in the last two. Were it not for guptills insane runout, msd might have pulled it off.
Why wait until the last two overs? If he had rotated the strike better India would not have to rely on the smashing in the last two overs. I am not blaming him for the loss, but personally India needed to be taken down a notch or two. They are way to cocky and dependent on top 3 to bail them out.
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NZ are also very lucky! Somehow stars aligned for them to have the chances and conditions that favored them but I guess, that's cricket. :)
Conditions do play a part especially in England. Leading up to the semi final they didn’t play well and you could well say Pakistan were a better bet.
I see what you mean if you are referring to that but not sure they are particularly lucky.
Over the years NZ have been more than the sum of their parts if you get what I mean.
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You gotta respect the game... wonder how much it hurt India not going tooth and nail for a win vs England- giving up relatively early meant that their Lower middle order was never really tested... had they fought till the end vs Eng, they might have emerged tougher and better able to handle today’s pressure.
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My Personal opinion on today's game...NZ came in this tournament with great luck. Last match with India got rained off, we could argue NZ could have won that or maybe India but we will never know. That one point saved NZ a place in semis. Pakistan could have got few more points if their matches were not rained off and made it to semis even with their current points.
Yesterday NZ was under pressure and rain saved them again. This morning they started taking single double shifting the momentum. In this weather NZ had perfect conditions to bowl at India that they did. India batting in afternoon would have been different story.
Now I am backing NZ to lift the cup as they got nothing to lose.
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Conditions do play a part especially in England. Leading up to the semi final they didn’t play well and you could well say Pakistan were a better bet.
I see what you mean if you are referring to that but not sure they are particularly lucky.
Over the years NZ have been more than the sum of their parts if you get what I mean.
What I meant by my comment is that the change in weather, a break from the game, and continuation the next day gave NZ a second chance to re-asses the game and execute better. For a side to chase (in a WC playoffs) is tough. But, it becomes tougher when all your mental preparation and focus is put to rest (since you are batting the following day rain or shine) and then re-start again the next day, re-focus, get your emotional/adrenaline pitch right and ready.
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NZ hammered India in the warm ups, don’t see why this is such a big surprise. Conditions were perfect for bowling for NZ
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Anyone else bricking it?
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Anyone else bricking it?
Always......
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How is anyone meant to get any work done today? ???
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I'm distracted already! i keep checking bbc sport for updates even though i know its not started yet!!!!
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got a bloke in the office who keeps shouting over the score. no cricket fans in the office so ive told the dude to pipe down, im nervous enough as it is when England are playing
but BBC text, as usual will be hammered.
I still don't think we will win the thing, but semi final is what I expected us to get to.
anything else is a bonus right?
hows that for unplaying the biggest game ever in the UK...
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Forecast is for rain at 3pm, so stick em in, roll em for 80 and knock em off by then none down. Easy this captain malarkey! :(
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This game should've been a D/N so that the majority of supporters/public could watch it. Instead the ECB has given into the ICC so that they get greater viewership on the subcontinent
This WC has been poor in terms of that.
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Looks a belter
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Eurgh
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Handscomb picked - should've been in the original squad.
Might be D/L later so might be a benefit chasing
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maybe...but we would of batted. now under even more pressure batting second to stay in the tournament
with the crowd behind us maybe that will give us a boost
everything crossed
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All going to plan. Now just got to roll em for 80! :D Looks great batting conditions, gonna be a big test this.
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Not the news I was hoping for at the toss when I checked the live feed.
And so begins a nervous day of checking for updates every 30 seconds...
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So many empty seats, this is a farce
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JOFRA YOU BEAUTY
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What a start!
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WOAKESY
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oh hello Chris Woakes :)
there will be pints raised in Worcestershire at that one. er no. Warwarkshire
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#DropWoakes
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WHAT A RIPPER
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Woakes you beauty, harsh on Hamscombe coming into a make or break game but Woakes bowling so well this W/C
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WHAT A RIPPER
Terrible shot.
And I should know....I've played a few.
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Bloody hell Jofra that was brutal
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I don't know what's worse, the score or listening to Clarke.
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Careys chin bleeding through the dressing is very reminiscent of 2005
Lethal bumper that was. Looks a fairly nasty injury too
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I would say his jaw is broken, will be rather surprised if he takes the field in the second innings
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thank god for lids.
he actually did well to have the presence of mind to catch his helmet.
not 100 per cent sure it would of been out had the lid hit the wicket thou but great reactions
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thank god for lids.
he actually did well to have the presence of mind to catch his helmet.
not 100 per cent sure it would of been out had the lid hit the wicket thou but great reactions
It would have been, same thing happened to KP against India
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thank god for lids.
he actually did well to have the presence of mind to catch his helmet.
not 100 per cent sure it would of been out had the lid hit the wicket thou but great reactions
Yes it would have been.
Dwayne Bravo got KP that way.
More recently Roy was out like that in a warm up game where the stem guard came off his lid and hit the stumps (that being why Masuri now give you cable tie things with them!)
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good start by England but Carey and Smith looking settled and starting to score freely!
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Now starting to feel sick, come on please get these two back in the sheds
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Yeah, this is all a bit yuck
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another catch to Vince who is proving to be a good specialist fielder, weve all been there at 14 years old in an adult team :)
needed that thou
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Needed that over
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LOVE YOU DILLY
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That is such incredible skill from jofra, to change to the knuckle ball in his delivery stride is unbelievable
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DILLY
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Are we allowed to start getting excited yet?
It's coming home!
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Are we allowed to start getting excited yet?
It's coming home!
YES YES YES!!!
hang on...no we are definatley not. Us English need to be reserved and prepared for the worst at all times.
Woakes was up at 110mph this morning he was really on it.
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Some trash death bowling
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Buttler you beauty
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WOAKESY!!!!!
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#DropWoakes
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Thank God
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So Woakes has to get in the Ashes team now right?
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Good to get them all out for that, still inevitable we make it difficult.
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yeah its a medium target one similar to India's one
hope the nerves don't affect the batsmen. this is the time you need to be a bit dense so too many thoughts don't get mixed up.
see ball hit ball, straight ball keep out
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Well done England, better than I'd expected! Go for it, go for the win England! Best of 🤞!
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Two class shots from roy. I love watching him bat
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What a six from Jason
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"GOAT" meet roy, first ball 6!!!
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come on the boys, :D
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"GOAT" meet roy, first ball 6!!!
Was Roy looking in a mirror........
50 up!!
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Smith on, bombs inbound
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Bombs achieved!
21 off that. No wickets. Master stroke from finch.....
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God I love JRoy
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Can't believe bairstow has reviewed that
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Why the hell did YJB refer that!! Must spend to much time with Broad was as plumb as they come
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After such a blistering start, this is a bad omen.
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ROOTY!
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Bairstow just cost Roy his wicket.
Why on earth do batsmen review plumb lb’s??
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Yep well done Jonny, youre injured but use up the review lad
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Why the hell did YJB refer that!! Must spend to much time with Broad was as plumb as they come
(No Swearing Please) sake Jonny just done Roy over with your selfish, stupid review
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That is absolutely shocking umpiring
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Well played Roy, pretty poor scenes though, he will be in quite a bit of trouble for that though you'd imagine, awful decision but if he had told Bairstow to walk when he was plumb he might have had a review to use.
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I wanted Roy to get a hundred but that was worth it for his reaction :D
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(No Swearing Please) sake Jonny just done Roy over with your selfish, stupid review
Exactly what I just said, he needs to grow up
Is there a chance Roy could get suspended for the final for that reaction??
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Embarrasing from the umpire hesitating about to give it a wide then gives it. Bairstow absolutely brainless once again
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He'll get a demerit point, dunno how many he currently has
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just seen the yjb dismissal, Roy pointed to the leg side with his bat, was roy indicting it pitched outside? either way a dreadful review
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Not sure how the points work but he should be up for a few with the initial dissent at the decision and then hitting things on the way off in view of the public.
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just seen the yjb dismissal, Roy pointed to the leg side with his bat, was roy indicting it pitched outside? either way a dreadful review
It was so plumb he can only have been pointing him back to the pavilion, surely?
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No Roy won’t be banned more likely lose 50% match fee and a demerit point. I would be asking Jonny to pay that though. He must have known he didn’t hit it and it pitched middle and hit half way up middle.
That umpire should be banned though always thought he was an awful umpire
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Roy had 1 demerit point from the pakistan series, two points and its a test or 2 odi/t20 ban
he could be in bother
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Bad from Bairstow but Roy as the non striker must have advised him too. Awful umpiring, he really didn't look sure at all
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No Roy won’t be banned more likely lose 50% match fee and a demerit point. I would be asking Jonny to pay that though. He must have known he didn’t hit it and it pitched middle and hit half way up middle.
That umpire should be banned though always thought he was an awful umpire
Dharmasena has form for making truly (No Swearing Please) decisions too, how he's still allowed to umpire international cricket is a mystery!
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Dharmasena has form for making truly (No Swearing Please) decisions too, how he's still allowed to umpire international cricket is a mystery!
I know you cannot have unlimited reviews but the whole idea of DRS was too elimate the shocker. That's the official line
so in a situation where DRS clearly shows he has not hit it the pnly way for the system to work is if the shocker is overturned......
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Roy had 1 demerit point from the pakistan series, two points and its a test or 2 odi/t20 ban
he could be in bother
You receive a ban if you accumulate 4 demerit points not 2
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I know you cannot have unlimited reviews but the whole idea of DRS was too elimate the shocker. That's the official line
so in a situation where DRS clearly shows he has not hit it the pnly way for the system to work is if the shocker is overturned......
Then only use it when you feel you've got a shocker and not when you're absolutely plumb but decide to give it a crack because you're 0/100 and hey why not..
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Then only use it when you feel you've got a shocker and not when you're absolutely plumb but decide to give it a crack because you're 0/100 and hey why not..
hearing you loud and clear on that but that does not change why it was brought in in the first place.
human nature being what it is......Bairstow burned our review that would of saved Roy.Agree with you there.
As it is, the 'shocker' still can exist under the system
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You receive a ban if you accumulate 4 demerit points not 2
ah ok i misread the article
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You receive a ban if you accumulate 4 demerit points not 2
I think it depends what level breach it is, a level 1 breach and he is fine a level 2 breach carries 3-4 demerit points from what I've been able to find online. I can't see dissent and abusing your gear and facilities just as a level 1 breach though.
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The DRS system is (No Swearing Please), but unfortunately it's the least bad option.
Delighted the way these semi-finals have gone, Virat already whining all the way home.and now us stuffing the Aussies. Dreamy.
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I think it depends what level breach it is, a level 1 breach and he is fine a level 2 breach carries 3-4 demerit points from what I've been able to find online. I can't see dissent and abusing your gear and facilities just as a level 1 breach though.
Dissent is a level 1 offence, he didn't abuse his gear did he? Unless I missed something
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The DRS system is (No Swearing Please), but unfortunately it's the least bad option.
Delighted the way these semi-finals have gone, Virat already whining all the way home.and now us stuffing the Aussies. Dreamy.
Couldn't have been better. Love stuffing the aussies, especially after how they acted after the Roy wicket.
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Looks like one of Paul Aldreds magic handles is broken.
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Dissent is a level 1 offence, he didn't abuse his gear did he? Unless I missed something
hmmmmm...well no. His bat went into something hard on the way back but may of been his pad/a chair/sommat else.
inconclusive :)
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Looks like one of Paul Aldreds magic handles is broken.
haha love it
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hearing you loud and clear on that but that does not change why it was brought in in the first place.
human nature being what it is......Bairstow burned our review that would of saved Roy.Agree with you there.
As it is, the 'shocker' still can exist under the system
I think if used as the ICC has laid it out to be used then there just shouldn't be shockers, unfortunately as batsmen we usually think everything that doesn't send our stumps flying or is marginal at worst is a pretty awful decision :D
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Dissent is a level 1 offence, he didn't abuse his gear did he? Unless I missed something
I'm sure he hit something on the boundary, possibly the fence and then a chair or something of the like before he got into the change rooms.
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Couldn't have been better. Love stuffing the aussies, especially after how they acted after the Roy wicket.
Say it quietly though... I don't think this Australian ODI team is very good, there's a few pretty average players by international standards. Stronger in tests obviously but be interested to see who makes it in their Ashes squad!
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I'm sure he hit something on the boundary, possibly the fence and then a chair or something of the like before he got into the change rooms.
I think in that case it will be 2 level 1 offences
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I think if used as the ICC has laid it out to be used then there just shouldn't be shockers, unfortunately as batsmen we usually think everything that doesn't send our stumps flying or is marginal at worst is a pretty awful decision :D
yes....and its a high stakes game for the players. Swann has laid into Bairstow on Twitter :)
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I think in that case it will be 2 level 1 offences
Valid point, I also couldn't find Roy's supposed existing point either, so he will probably be fine.
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Say it quietly though... I don't think this Australian ODI team is very good, there's a few pretty average players by international standards. Stronger in tests obviously but be interested to see who makes it in their Ashes squad!
I know we played Vince but..... I don’t see how we lost to this shower in the group game.
If this was a first inning we’d be aiming for 400-450 here.
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It's coming home!
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Chris woakes player of the match!!!
Was a stat on tms to. That in the first ten since last World Cup, he has the best economy and best average of any bowler who’s bowled a decent amount.
#dropwoakes
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THIS TEAM
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I know we played Vince but..... I don’t see how we lost to this shower in the group game.
If this was a first inning we’d be aiming for 400-450 here.
Seems a bit disrespectful to a team that, up until this game, probably had as good if not, arguably a far better group stage than England. England had their bad days at the right time, and Roy's injury was at a more convenient time. Australia just didn't turn up today, and England had a good day, Simple as that I think.
Englands greatest strength is they weren't carrying players, Stoinis isn't worthy of scrubbing an Australian shirt let alone wearing one, he bowls garbage and couldn't play a kazoo if someone sent one down, and Handscomb, well there's a reason he wasn't in the squad initially.
Anywho, well done England. Completely outplayed us today!
Go New Zealand!! :D
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How much do you reckon tickets from a tout at the ground will be on Sunday? Failing that any suggestions of somewhere in London to watch with a decent atmosphere?
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Chris woakes player of the match!!!
Was a stat on tms to. That in the first ten since last World Cup, he has the best economy and best average of any bowler who’s bowled a decent amount.
#dropwoakes
:)
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Chris woakes player of the match!!!
Was a stat on tms to. That in the first ten since last World Cup, he has the best economy and best average of any bowler who’s bowled a decent amount.
#dropwoakes
Mediocre bits and pieces player, if he was a proper bowler he'd have taken 8 wickets today.
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Congratulation England. Looking forward to the game on Sunday.
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Looks like one of Paul Aldreds magic handles is broken.
He should’ve put a nail in it...
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Seems a bit disrespectful to a team that, up until this game, probably had as good if not, arguably a far better group stage than England. England had their bad days at the right time, and Roy's injury was at a more convenient time. Australia just didn't turn up today, and England had a good day, Simple as that I think.
Englands greatest strength is they weren't carrying players, Stoinis isn't worthy of scrubbing an Australian shirt let alone wearing one, he bowls garbage and couldn't play a kazoo if someone sent one down, and Handscomb, well there's a reason he wasn't in the squad initially.
Anywho, well done England. Completely outplayed us today!
Go New Zealand!! :D
Starc has been good.
Carey phenomonal.
Warner although scored runs, wasn’t as destructive as he normally is.
Rest have played bit parts and a lot of players being carried.
I’ve onyl watched about 96percent of this tournament. But I remember they had twitchy bums in the games they won against windies, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Non were as clear cut as it looks on the result sheet.
We had a poor period, weather confidence/nerves(joys of being tagged favourites) I’m not sure and we lost games we shouldn’t.
Australia won the game they should have but never looked the world class they once was this tournament.
When on form, we’ve always looked on a different level.
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Confirmed that the final will be broadcast on Channel 4/More 4. This team is finally going to have the eyes of the public they deserve on them...
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Starc has been good.
Carey phenomonal.
Warner although scored runs, wasn’t as destructive as he normally is.
Rest have played bit parts and a lot of players being carried.
I’ve onyl watched about 96percent of this tournament. But I remember they had twitchy bums in the games they won against windies, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Non were as clear cut as it looks on the result sheet.
We had a poor period, weather confidence/nerves(joys of being tagged favourites) I’m not sure and we lost games we shouldn’t.
Australia won the game they should have but never looked the world class they once was this tournament.
When on form, we’ve always looked on a different level.
Either way, I'm pretty proud of the efforts we brought after a tumultuous 12 months. Considering there are 4 people who didn't play today through injury that otherwise would have, I think we have scraped together a really solid campaign and unfortunately had our first non competitive day on the wrong day. I'm comfortable with the fact that the better team on the day won.
We discovered a real Talent in Carey, who played one of the gutsier knocks you're likely to see today, and got some good miles back in the tank for Smith and Warner. Onwards and upwards with the talent we have waiting to come back into the side. I think we will be fine. Go New Zealand! :D
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This is nice
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_OchOBXYAM5B0g.jpg
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How much do you reckon tickets from a tout at the ground will be on Sunday? Failing that any suggestions of somewhere in London to watch with a decent atmosphere?
(https://scontent.fbkk22-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51489556_1999901710045961_1350407717239390208_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQlxia1kCQuvJrbx3GXzqPD9VxSVJFwzbWj3j2hI_hWXkPSjaVi6qvTtjF58PJixpr8&_nc_ht=scontent.fbkk22-4.fna&oh=85b90cded760be1ff4847e7ea50ea38b&oe=5DA9A7A5) :D
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I know we played Vince but..... I don’t see how we lost to this shower in the group game.
If this was a first inning we’d be aiming for 400-450 here.
Amazing really, few years ago who'd have thought that Australia would have no middle order and an 80mph opening bowler! Still can't believe they muck Maxwell around as much as they do either.
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England were unreal.
Sorry though, last win of the tournament. NZ to hold it aloft on Sunday. We have played terribly these last few weeks and still made the final. Now all our players will fire...I can dream.
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England were unreal.
Sorry though, last win of the tournament. NZ to hold it aloft on Sunday. We have played terribly these last few weeks and still made the final. Now all our players will fire...I can dream.
Reckon they should open with Latham and shift Nicolls down - hopefully provide a bit of stability up top. Or send munro out to slog a quick 20
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I'm not sure i quite believe we won like that yesterday!!
what a performance when it really mattered! cant wait for more stress Sunday!!
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i dunno what anyone else is thinking but im thinking we cannot play that well 2 games in a row :)
however searching for a miracle and a couple of spare tickets, slight problem with ticket prices over 2 grand for one, options are:
use the joint account and hope she doesn't notice
sell the car, downside I cant get to work
gamble on something 200-1
sell a body organ maybe a kidney or both kidneys
any suggestions welcome
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“Roy has been fined 30% of the match fee after admitting the offence and sanction, with no formal hearing to take place.
“Two demerit points have been added to his disciplinary record. He won't face any suspension.”
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Lockie Ferguson only real threat from NZ. Bat first, score 400, let Ferguson go at 4 an over. Williamson and Taylor cant block a 400 chase.
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Roy got off lightly with that one. Again - no consistency with fines and bans.
Some teams get away with a lot more than others.
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Roy got off lightly with that one. Again - no consistency with fines and bans.
Some teams get away with a lot more than others.
Out of interest. What other players got worse for similar incidents?
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/12/cricket-tickets-world-cup-final-prices (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/12/cricket-tickets-world-cup-final-prices)
However the ICC has played down suggestions that Lord’s may not be full given that nearly half the 30,000 tickets were originally sold to Indian fans.
The Guardian understands from the ICC that while 41% of the ticket holders are registered as India supporters, almost all that number are UK citizens and they are fully expected to turn up. Meanwhile 45% of those owning tickets say they are England fans.
Trying not to be bitter, but man this feels disappointing
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Yeah !
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Pretty sure most people show up even if they support other teams- it’s the WC final... at lords!!
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im 90 per cent sure im going to go down to st johns wood with 300 quid and hop there is a tout or an Indian fan in sight :)
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It is the WC Final, people will come.
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It is time for predictions: who will win the WC 2019 final? By what margin?
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My predictions:
- England openers don't cross 50.
- Middle order from both sides will duke it out.
- Kane Williamson will score a century.
- England will battle till the end.
<drum roll> and the winner will be...
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New Zealand.
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It is time for predictions: who will win the WC 2019 final? By what margin?
England will win be some distance is my prediction. If we bat first we win by 100+ if we bowl first we win with 10+ overs left. That’s my prediction #thinkpositive
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England have come back from the abyss. It’s theirs to lose. As long as they don’t choke.
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Can't believe this..... how does Dharmasena get picked to do the final after that performance in the semis!!
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite)
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Can't believe this..... how does Dharmasena get picked to do the final after that performance in the semis!!
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite)
Fecking joke.
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Love this from Jimmy Neesham....
https://twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1149782956745080832?s=19
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Can't believe this..... how does Dharmasena get picked to do the final after that performance in the semis!!
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite (https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/kumar_dharmasena_marais_erasmus_umpires_world_cup_final.html?platform=hootsuite)
Seems fair, if they can't suspend Roy for the final then they shouldn't suspend Dharmasena ;)
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Here's one I've never come across before. Is he any good?... 😂😂😂
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vdFGUaH98bSDgw5a7
Thanks to the Grauniad for this one... Sack the sports editor.
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Love this from Jimmy Neesham....
https://twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1149782956745080832?s=19
Shouldn't he focus on the final's prep then tweeting about the tix? Priorities, Neesham bruh, what's up?! Get your focus back on the game!
I hope I don't see any more social media jabs from Kiwis or I'll revise my forecast.
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Shouldn't he focus on the final's prep then tweeting about the tix? Priorities, Neesham bruh, what's up?! Get your focus back on the game!
I hope I don't see any more social media jabs from Kiwis or I'll revise my forecast.
Lol. https://twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1149418649905717248?s=19
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Surprised NZ bowled. Looks perfect bowling conditions. Could lose the final within the first hour
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Oops... Don't think Archer knows the national anthem. Never mind, bowl on...
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I was off celebrating then..... good job I’m not an ump.
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Dharmasena does it again - good review that!
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Dharmasena does it again - good review that!
That wasn't actually that bad of a decision, plenty other umpires would have given it
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England have bowled poorly in the first 6 overs. Haven’t pitched it up enough
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They pitch one up and Guptil goes. Probably wasted that review
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Hitting middle 3/4 up??
Pretty sure nicolls claimed it was going down leg?? He atleast said it swing in.
Oh well, it’s a cup final, review everything for personally gain. Sod the team......
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One for the purists so far with it moving about a bit.
Williamson defensively is a joy to watch, as close to technically perfect as I can remember
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Great start from NZ - benefited from England bowling too short
Platform set to get 280+
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Awful umpiring again from Dharmasena
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DRS
DHARMASENA
REVIEW
SYSTEM
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Dharmesena is so bad he is dangerous.
Let’s hope we don’t torch any reviews we might need them :)
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LIAM!
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Pitching it up is working - still doing a bit. 250-260 would be a decent score to set from here
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Guptil guptil guptil
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WOODY
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Oh Liam I love you
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... Yes we do
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O' Kane Williamson, what have you done?!
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I wake up this morning to find all this!
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Not sure we wanted colin out there? He was playing a wonderful innings for us....
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Fantastic bowling effort, now over to the bat
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Can't imagine Erasmus will be getting a Christmas card from NZ this year.
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Nearly a disasterous start but Roy got a shocker last match. And just got away with that one.
I'm a huge fan of the tradition of the game but the atmosphere at Lords is not what you want for a final. Been many times and it's just too quiet compared to the Oval
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Root should be just the man for this situation
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Awful batting from root
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Root should be just the man for this situation
Or maybe not. Seemed to hit the panic button
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Anyone else getting twitchy?
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Oh dear :(
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Been twitchy from 9am. The wicket is doing a lot and NZ are bowling perfectly. Bairstow going was a massive blow.
Root sorry to say panicked under pressure, simple as that.
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New Zealand will win, you have to lose a world cup in order to win one
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What a catch from Ferguson! NZ favourites from here
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Outstanding bowling so far from NZ and England under massive pressure.
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New Zealand has bowled superbly on this wicket. There's too much to do now.
On this wicket we cannot hit thru the line and that is our weakness. Ok when it's flat but not when there is movement.
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Can’t decide what to watch - this, or yet another fantastic Wimbledon final featuring the real GOAT
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Ian Smith massively over playing how good that catch was. Good yes, 'one of the greatest outfield catches you'll see?'.....no!
In the balance here. You feel a wicket will put NZ in control. Come on England!
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Stokes-Butler partnership is the make or break partnership of this game. Both are playing the conditions/situation well, championship material.
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Bugger
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This has to be the best match of the CWC 2019!!!!
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Ferguson you beauty! Stokes is the game
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12 balls remaining and the cup hangs in the balance.
Stokes better start slashing hard now.
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Neesham! NZ’s game to lose from here
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"Remember the name..."
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I’m sorry but that’s bloody ridiculous
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You couldn’t even write this!!
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What if it is a tie?
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What if it is a tie?
Super over
What a game so far. I would be happy with either team winning it.
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Super over! Nz don’t deserve this.
Bloody unlucky
What’s stokes doing bunting a full toss back
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HAHAHAHAAA
IT IS A TIE!!!!
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Super over! Nz don’t deserve this.
Maybe not but cricket world deserves an epic battle and this is it!
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Maybe not but cricket world deserves an epic battle and this is it!
Robbed mate! That overthrow is pure unlucky!
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Whatever happens from here, NZ are the winners in my book. Pure grit, determination and skill Vs one moment of dumb luck.
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At the world stage of international sports, Cricket doesn't get its due with all other puny sports hogging the spot light.
This final is the stuff of legends!
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Stokes and Buttler for England !! Excellent choice.
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England have enough here
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15! 15!
Stokes man of the World Cup for me. Regardless is we win it or not.
Come on archer. BRing it home.
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I'm about to have a heart attack
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It would be poetic if Archer wins it for England.
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What an unbelievable final. This is the best game I've ever seen I reckon. So far...
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Why is Guptil batting?!!!! WTF!
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Neesham!
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Unreal!
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New Zealand got robbed. We didn’t deserve that at all
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Commmmeeeee onnnnnnnnnnnn!!! What a game! Get in England!! Greatest game everrrrrrr.
World champions!!!!!
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NZ robbed
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Congratulations England. What a game. Well played England and NZ.
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IMAGINE NOT LIKING THIS GAME
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Cruel. Just cruel.
Well done to England, but to New Zealand, you were the better team on the day, and this game has done you wrong.
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England deserved it! Period.
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What a final well done England unlucky NZ but we are world champs :)
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If this game can't inspire a nation I don't know what will
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Cruel. Just cruel.
Well done to England, but to New Zealand, you were the better team on the day, and this game has done you wrong.
If only Santner had played at that last ball. Small
Margins and all that.
Brilliant viewing and great for Cricket that it was on TV
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Do so tough on NZ but you can't say England didn't deserve to be World Champs based on how good they've been since the last one. What a game of cricket that was! Unbelievable.
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I'm off to the pub to get smashed
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If only Santner had played at that last ball. Small
Margins and all that.
Brilliant viewing and great for Cricket that it was on TV
In fairness Stokes could have nailed the last ball of our innings too but tried to play it safer by going for the two.
The real tragedy it's those extra runs off Stokes bat. So so harsh!
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Bizarre way to end a World Cup - would rather see additional super overs till the match is decided. Similar to the long set in tennis.
But congrats to England for Finally bringing it home.
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I’m still struggling to come down from that. What a game!
Wierd to look back.
In terms of the game. New Zealand where the better team. But Ben stokes was the best player, and neither deserved to lose!
But go further back, we had a mare against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and aus.
And New Zealand scraped through thanks to a Raines off against India.
Both on paper were certainly the least favoured of the 4 in the semi finals...... and yet here we are, both side deserving of lifting that trophy.
And what two different sides are they.
Nz grind out scores and defend it well.
England biff from the off and stack there line up with boundary hitters.
Yet both sides came together to not only draw the main game, but also be level after the super over!
It’s ridicolous to think about.
What a sport cricket is!
Now let’s get stokes a knighthood! Eoin, woakes, buttler., Jof.......... sod it, Knight the lot!
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I was here at Lords, sat in front of the Barmy army. Couldn’t agree more with what smiley says. - a game that hung in the balance, won not by razzmatazz but by diligence - hope plenty of players learn this!
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England were the better team, they never stopped believing that they will win this final!
New Zealand under pressure made mistakes which cost them the match!
What a final!
Very very happy
With so much on the stakes you're not going to get a better cwc final in the future! Let alone in the past.
Well done
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England were the better team, they never stopped believing that they will win this final!
New Zealand under pressure made mistakes which cost them the match!
Disagree here. NZ were robbed by the Stokes knock on (which was what cost them the match), they fielded perfectly under pressure, and equalled England's score in the super over.
How can a team lose when the scores are still tied? That super over has to be the the most ridiculous outcome ever. If there is a tie, the tie breaker should go on until a clear winner can be found :(. To have NZ lose because they hit less boundaries is a farce. In the Wimbledon final when it was all tied up in the 5th set, did they decide to have a countback on who won the most games to decide who won the match? Of course not - they went on and on until they got a clear winner.
And while I'm ranting ;) , Kane Williamson as player of the series???!!!! Yes, he was fantastic, but surely not player of the series. The only reason he got it was because those voting felt sorry for him being short changed in the final, and he happened to be there to accept the trophy.
Sharma 648 runs, Warner 647, Williamson 578 - sure, he's up there, but the standout was Michell Starc with a record 27 wickets - six more than his closest rival.
I did some stats, and over the 44 games completed there were 22,383 runs made and 672 wickets taken at an average of 33.3 runs per wicket.
So Starc's 27 wicket haul would be the equivalent of him making 899 runs (plus however many runs he made with the bat). If that's not player of the tournament I'll eat my hat!
It was an amazing final though. Well done to both teams, who were both worthy of winning.
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Kane made the worst decision of the day by bowling Boult in the super over. Normally, he is a good bowler but it wasn't his day, he went for 60+ runs with no wickets and, though a hard one, dropped an important catch. Besides, right before the super over, he went for a plenty in the 50th over of the match. Started really well with 2 good deliveries but followed them with 2 mediocre ones, which cost the match.
I would have gone with Ferguson or Henry. That's where Morgan won the match today; by picking pace & accuracy over experience (Archer vs. Woakes, Stokes or Plunkett).
And, Santner should never have been in the boundary line (long off), he's slow, doesn't have a strong arm to throw all the way to the keeper.
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Pretty nonsensical to decide the result of a whole tournament on a countback of a completely irrelevant stat. The aim of cricket is to make runs and take wickets, both teams made the same runs, but only one team took all 10 wickets.
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Lets not forget Stokes was caught and boult didn't realise the boundary rope was only 2 steps behind him. I feel as if this was the deciding factor of the outcome of the match.
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At least India didn't win.
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Pretty nonsensical to decide the result of a whole tournament on a countback of a completely irrelevant stat. The aim of cricket is to make runs and take wickets, both teams made the same runs, but only one team took all 10 wickets.
Or they could do it on wickets lost in the super over.
Wickets down will ‘nearly’ always favour the side defending in the event of a tie.
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Pretty nonsensical to decide the result of a whole tournament on a countback of a completely irrelevant stat. The aim of cricket is to make runs and take wickets, both teams made the same runs, but only one team took all 10 wickets.
Let’s just change the rules after a tournament to give us a winner we want?
Why not have head to head instead off run rate for tied groups.
New Zealand our Pakistan through.
Or reserve games for group game lost to weather? Different 4 go through....... etc etc
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Got a good feeling that the game being on free to view tv and being the most incredible game ever played is going to do wonders for cricket in general for a few years at least
I don’t work with a single cricket fan out of about 20/25 blokes never have any of them talk cricket but they all know I love it
This morning every single one of them is loving it said they watched it and loved it and can’t stop chatting about it
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What a spectacle that was. I was elated when England won yesterday but now, on reflection, it does feel a bit hollow. We were incredibly lucky to tie the game in the 50 overs and didn't really win the super over. Sharing the trophy would have been a fairer result.
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Rubbish, Kane Williamson summed it up perfectly,
It's a (No Swearing Please) way to lose but the rules were set before the tournament.
I wonder how many of you would be saying this if we'd beaten India or Australia by boundaries? I'd bet none of you
Rules were set England beat NZ on boundaries end of, they could have gone on nrr for the tournament England win they could have gone on group position England win
The only way the don't is wickets lost, this will produce negative cricket as people will start to value wickets over runs
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Rubbish, Kane Williamson summed it up perfectly,
It's a (No Swearing Please) way to lose but the rules were set before the tournament.
I wonder how many of you would be saying this if we'd beaten India or Australia by boundaries? I'd bet none of you
Rules were set England beat NZ on boundaries end of, they could have gone on nrr for the tournament England win they could have gone on group position England win
The only way the don't is wickets lost, this will produce negative cricket as people will start to value wickets over runs
I'd be saying the same whoever we'd 'beaten' if the circumstances had been the same. These particular rules may well have been set before the tournament but the chances of them being required were minimal and its unfortunate that they were.
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Its coming home! What a game that was!
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the format of the tournament is set and you can have any number of ways to win in a game that close, you have to accept that is h it is
im a die hard supporter and hugely relived we got over the line
England won by the skin of our teeth and the New Zealanders should be proud of such a huge effort and led by a captain with class and talent, I think he was the best Captain in the tournament]]
but we won and nothing should take that away from the team. For Butler and Stokes's efforts that got us over the line and Stokes's especially its redemption for the T20 WC where that last over cost us the match. He has had to live with that and only this win will ease those memories.
I thought myself he was the reason we won and sheer determination to go out again to face in the super over.
you would be unjsust not to feel sorry for the Kiwi's thou......someone had to lose and they didn't deserve it.
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I'm not sure what feels better - Being WORLD CHAMPIONS or reading through twitter laughing at all the salty comments!
CHAMPIONE, CHAMPIONE OLE OLE OLE!!!
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Not sure we did win actually...…. regarding the 6 runs awarded for the overthrow...….
"The law states: 'If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side, and the allowance for the boundary, and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.'
"The crucial clause is the last part. A review of the footage of the incident shows clearly that, at the moment the ball was released by the New Zealand fielder, Martin Guptill, Stokes and his partner, Adil Rashid, had not yet crossed for their second run.
On that basis, at the very least there was a strong case for the umpires to rule that five runs, not six, be awarded.
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Seeing salty people on Twitter moaning has cracked me up
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Not sure we did win actually...…. regarding the 6 runs awarded for the overthrow...….
"The law states: 'If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side, and the allowance for the boundary, and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.'
"The crucial clause is the last part. A review of the footage of the incident shows clearly that, at the moment the ball was released by the New Zealand fielder, Martin Guptill, Stokes and his partner, Adil Rashid, had not yet crossed for their second run.
On that basis, at the very least there was a strong case for the umpires to rule that five runs, not six, be awarded.
There's too much ambiguity in that clause, the word 'act' could quite easily refer to the ball hitting the bat and the ensuing ricochet for 4 runs.
And had 5 been awarded stokes would have gone to hit the last ball rather than gap it for 1 or maybe 2.
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There's too much ambiguity in that clause, the word 'act' could quite easily refer to the ball hitting the bat and the ensuing ricochet for 4 runs.
And had 5 been awarded stokes would have gone to hit the last ball rather than gap it for 1 or maybe 2.
Don't think so - the law refers to the 'act' of the fielder … not anything that happens after that.
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Not sure we did win actually...…. regarding the 6 runs awarded for the overthrow...….
"The law states: 'If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side, and the allowance for the boundary, and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.'
"The crucial clause is the last part. A review of the footage of the incident shows clearly that, at the moment the ball was released by the New Zealand fielder, Martin Guptill, Stokes and his partner, Adil Rashid, had not yet crossed for their second run.
On that basis, at the very least there was a strong case for the umpires to rule that five runs, not six, be awarded.
Yes - and Adil Rashid would have been on strike instead of stokes. Simon Taufal explains it nicely: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel)
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There's no clear answer though, the act is very unclear
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Not sure we did win actually...…. regarding the 6 runs awarded for the overthrow...….
"The law states: 'If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side, and the allowance for the boundary, and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.'
"The crucial clause is the last part. A review of the footage of the incident shows clearly that, at the moment the ball was released by the New Zealand fielder, Martin Guptill, Stokes and his partner, Adil Rashid, had not yet crossed for their second run.
On that basis, at the very least there was a strong case for the umpires to rule that five runs, not six, be awarded.
just seen this!
surely this is the definition of..... kicking a bloke in the nuts whilst he's lying on the ground!
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There's no clear answer though, the act is very unclear
I don't think it is … the second mention of the 'act' is merely referencing the first …. "from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder". It's clear that it is the throw or the act of the fielder that matters.
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Umpires got it wrong. It happens. Ross Taylor lbw amongst other things.
Had it not gone for overthrows stokes needed 7 of 2 balls, his shot selection would have been different.
Had they called it right Adil been on strike he may have got the 1,2,3,4 who’s knows?
And stokes may have put that leg side full toss into the stand?
It’s all hear say, as it happened. The balls affter where played differently because.
Crying on Twitter, Facebook or a forum isn’t gonna change it.
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Yes - and Adil Rashid would have been on strike instead of stokes. Simon Taufal explains it nicely: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel)
Cant believe Dharmasena was allowed to officiate in the final! He is not qualified to officiate in village cricket. Too many mistakes. IMO, ICC should count the wrong decisions taken by each umpire and the ones with the least mistakes should get to officiate. Its poor to put someone so incompetent incharge of such a big match!
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well said. its impossible to predict what would of happened had it been 5 and not 6 runs.....
Taylor got a rough one, Guptill was clearly out yet reviewed it, therefore burning the review that would of saved him(it didn't look out in real time)
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I don't think it is … the second mention of the 'act' is merely referencing the first …. "from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder". It's clear that it is the throw or the act of the fielder that matters.
Right...I disagree and others do too, however...its not really a relevant point, these things happen in sport, tries get disallowed in rugby, people get given out when they are not in cricket, goals get disallowed in football, dubious penalties get given. Ultimately the decision that 2 very well qualified umpires (who, I hasten to add, understand the laws better than 99.9% of people that play and watch cricket) made was that it was 6, even if that was the wrong decision, 4 from 2 is still very doable and the result still stands.
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Ben Stokes is building up some epic memories for his autobiography- braithweate 6s, brawl, and now this MoM performance
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Right...I disagree and others do too, however...its not really a relevant point, these things happen in sport, tries get disallowed in rugby, people get given out when they are not in cricket, goals get disallowed in football, dubious penalties get given. Ultimately the decision that 2 very well qualified umpires (who, I hasten to add, understand the laws better than 99.9% of people that play and watch cricket) made was that it was 6, even if that was the wrong decision, 4 from 2 is still very doable and the result still stands.
I don't actually disagree with you. It's a point worthy of discussion though.
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One run too many and...
Pakistan beat both finalists in the group stages. As did Australia - who were eliminated with an identical overall record to England's, having also 'drawn' 1-1 with them head to head.
India lost least games. And had the best win/ loss ratio.
So England are perhaps not that convincing World Champions?
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One run too many and...
Pakistan beat both finalists in the group stages. As did Australia - who were eliminated with an identical overall record to England's, having also 'drawn' 1-1 with them head to head.
India lost least games. And had the best win/ loss ratio.
So England are perhaps not that convincing World Champions?
:) Kholi wants the format changed I have read similar to the IPL. Not knockout but another chance to win it if you finish top of the group, so...two bites of the cherry.
good and brave losers we(England) have been in the past. Anyone who has followed England knows then tears(the 90's were particularly bad) so.....although NZ were brilliant and did not deserve to be losers we came out on top by the skin of our teeth]not much is going to stop the joy for he fans. Of which I am one
respect for NZ, they were the best led and hardest to beat in the tournament.
If I was an NZ fan I'd be proud of the team for sure.
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:) Kholi wants the format changed I have read similar to the IPL. Not knockout but another chance to win it if you finish top of the group, so...two bites of the cherry.
good and brave losers we(England) have been in the past. Anyone who has followed England knows then tears(the 90's were particularly bad) so.....although NZ were brilliant and did not deserve to be losers we came out on top by the skin of our teeth]not much is going to stop the joy for he fans. Of which I am one
respect for NZ, they were the best led and hardest to beat in the tournament.
If I was an NZ fan I'd be proud of the team for sure.
Very well put! England fans deserve to enjoy this moment and nothing can take away from their victory! Luck is an integral part of the game. Its one of the things that makes it exciting to watch. As they say, 'It was written in the stars that England would lift the World Cup in 2019"
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Cant believe Dharmasena was allowed to officiate in the final! He is not qualified to officiate in village cricket. Too many mistakes. IMO, ICC should count the wrong decisions taken by each umpire and the ones with the least mistakes should get to officiate. Its poor to put someone so incompetent incharge of such a big match!
can't just put blame on Dharmasena alone. he had a lengthy discussion with erasmus about it and the third umpire was equally guilty too. having said that , the luck GOD was all over england yesterday
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New Zealand got a lucky break with bad weather and their Semi was extended to the next day otherwise they were on the ropes in that game. England got their share of luck during the final. It happens. With all that, I think the best team of the tournament won!
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:) Kholi wants the format changed I have read similar to the IPL. Not knockout but another chance to win it if you finish top of the group, so...two bites of the cherry.
Personally, I enjoyed this round robin format, matches were so exciting.
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England were unreal.
Sorry though, last win of the tournament. NZ to hold it aloft on Sunday. We have played terribly these last few weeks and still made the final. Now all our players will fire...I can dream.
I was right. England didn't win another game.
It was devastating to lose but what a day. I was in London for the final and spent the entire day on the edge of my seat surrounded by Brits cheering and singing. The overthrows could have meant any number of other outcomes so who's to know. England deserve it, enjoy the spoils. What a fantastic advertisement for Cricket.
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^ You are a brave man, @potzy248 :D
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Best World Cup ever.
But now they need to dump this stupid boundary rule for future tournaments.
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Pressure got better of New Zealand! There's no need trying running out Stokes, wrong fielder on the boundary! Result:6!
Never seen a fielder losing the sight of the ball played in the sun, while played totally on the ground! Cost: 1 run!
Look at the last ball run out, all the pressure of the world in Buttler, took the throw a couple of meters in front of the stumps, took the ball cleanly and result : run out, won the game and CWC 2019!
Luck Favours the Brave! And everyone wants for best good luck
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There’s no one to blame for the result, easy to sit back afterwards and criticise
Great day for cricket yesterday, thrilling game that had everyone on the edge of their seat! Hopefully the free to air coverage inspired a lot more people to take up the game we all love. Regardless of who won
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Good to see so many understanding English fans, who I'm sure would be equally as understanding were the shoe on the other foot and situations reversed :D
Also, how does David Warner, the tournaments second top scorer and specialist opening batsman miss out on a spot in the team of the tournament to someone who averaged almost 9 runs less..
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Pressure got better of New Zealand! There's no need trying running out Stokes, wrong fielder on the boundary! Result:6!
Again I disagree. Why would you not return the ball to the keeper? Nothing wrong with the fielder, or where he threw it. The deflection gave the result of 6 and NZ copped a 4 run penalty for doing nothing wrong.
Never seen a fielder losing the sight of the ball played in the sun, while played totally on the ground! Cost: 1 run!
You conveniently forget Roy misfielding earlier in the over, costing a run. Could be argued pressure got the better of him, no?
Look at the last ball run out, all the pressure of the world in Buttler, took the throw a couple of meters in front of the stumps, took the ball cleanly and result : run out, won the game and CWC 2019!
Luck Favours the Brave! And everyone wants for best good luck
In the last over Boult took 2 runouts (without gloves I might add) from red hot throws in the deep, both saving 1 run. All the pressure in the world on them and they handled it perfectly - twice.
The point I'm trying to make is that Nz handled the pressure just as well as England, they were just as brave as England, but unfortunately for them, they were the ones screwed over by lady luck.
And as HellomynameisJ alluded to, imagine if the throw to Buttler was deflected off Guptil's bat for four. Would that mean Roy and Buttler couldn't handle pressure? Of course not. Handling pressure is no deterrent to bad luck.
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Also, how does David Warner, the tournaments second top scorer and specialist opening batsman miss out on a spot in the team of the tournament to someone who averaged almost 9 runs less..
Pretty sure if the team of the tournament was just decided by averages they'd not bother and just publish the runs and wickets tables!
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Pretty sure if the team of the tournament was just decided by averages they'd not bother and just publish the runs and wickets tables!
Perhaps they just did a boundary countback, or maybe Jason Roy's mum picked the team?
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Good to see so many understanding English fans, who I'm sure would be equally as understanding were the shoe on the other foot and situations reversed :D
Also, how does David Warner, the tournaments second top scorer and specialist opening batsman miss out on a spot in the team of the tournament to someone who averaged almost 9 runs less..
Warner made three tons, all against sides that failed to make it through to the knock out stages (as was his next highest score as well). As always, stats need to be placed in their true context
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Perhaps they just did a boundary countback, or maybe Jason Roy's mum picked the team?
You're beginning to sound as boring as senior player when he talks about woakes.
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Good to see so many understanding English fans, who I'm sure would be equally as understanding were the shoe on the other foot and situations reversed :D
Also, how does David Warner, the tournaments second top scorer and specialist opening batsman miss out on a spot in the team of the tournament to someone who averaged almost 9 runs less..
Also.... Pretty sure every 'understanding English fan' has said it was unlucky....what more did you want? Shall we all parade through the streets self flagellating because we won with a bit of luck? 🙄🙄
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You're beginning to sound as boring as senior player when he talks about woakes.
That comment was intended to be tongue in cheek haha, but I appreciate the internet doesn't convey these things well. I think Roy is a serious one day cricketer!
Warner made three tons, all against sides that failed to make it through to the knock out stages (as was his next highest score as well). As always, stats need to be placed in their true context
I appreciate the point that you're making and I would agree that stats don't tell the whole story, in the same breath Jason Roys only ton also came against a side who didn't make the finals, but Roy and Warner had such different tournaments that it's hard to compare. I look at Rohit Sharma as a reference, he made 1 more run than warner, the difference obviously being Rohit made 5 hundreds, which is why I assume that he was selected ahead of Warner (and rightly so), which is why it's a bit confusing that Roy has made it ahead of DW.
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Also.... Pretty sure every 'understanding English fan' has said it was unlucky....what more did you want? Shall we all parade through the streets self flagellating because we won with a bit of luck? 🙄🙄
This was more directed at those pointing out the "salty" people on social media and other disappointed fans, I feel confident in saying that the backlash in regards to the supposed umpiring errors and questionable super over rules would have been much worse if the situation was reversed. Either way, heck of a world cup, and I think we can all agree that it would have been better for both teams if the result had been decided by the bat or ball and not a rule that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't even know existed.
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This was more directed at those pointing out the "salty" people on social media and other disappointed fans, I feel confident in saying that the backlash in regards to the supposed umpiring errors and questionable super over rules would have been much worse if the situation was reversed. Either way, heck of a world cup, and I think we can all agree that it would have been better for both teams if the result had been decided by the bat or ball and not a rule that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't even know existed.
but it was decided by bat, England "batted it" further more times than NZ
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Just going through a few pieces and even Williamson himself wasn't too aware of the rules regarding overthrows and wilful release of the ball etc
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249798 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249798)
I mean, who honestly did? I certainly didn't; I saw a post elsewhere that says that if it genuinely is the point of throw then 90% of overthrows in the history of the game have been called wrong. Think that sums it up quite well.
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Just going through a few pieces and even Williamson himself wasn't too aware of the rules regarding overthrows and wilful release of the ball etc
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249798 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249798)
I mean, who honestly did? I certainly didn't; I saw a post elsewhere that says that if it genuinely is the point of throw then 90% of overthrows in the history of the game have been called wrong. Think that sums it up quite well.
That ball (nice juicy full Toss that stokes would have put in the stands 8 out of 10 times) was destined for 6... just like England were destined to win.
But now the ICC needs to change two rules:
1. Make it a dead ball once a throw hits a batsman
2. Get rid of this asinine boundary countback law - just keep bowling super overs till a team loses. It’s a farcical rule that has taken the shine off an amazing final.
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That ball (nice juicy full Toss that stokes would have put in the stands 8 out of 10 times) was destined for 6... just like England were destined to win.
But now the ICC needs to change two rules:
1. Make it a dead ball once a throw hits a batsman
2. Get rid of this asinine boundary countback law - just keep bowling super overs till a team loses. It’s a farcical rule that has taken the shine off an amazing final.
"How is a boundary four and three dots worth more than four singles? Not just that, this tiebreaker after a tiebreaker doesn't even differentiate between a boundary four and a boundary six. If your side hit 20 fours and no sixes, scoring 80 runs in boundaries, you are better off than a side that scored 84 boundary runs in 15 fours and four sixes. "
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27200532/why-count-boundaries-determine-wins-world-cup-here-three-better-ways (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27200532/why-count-boundaries-determine-wins-world-cup-here-three-better-ways)
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"How is a boundary four and three dots worth more than four singles? Not just that, this tiebreaker after a tiebreaker doesn't even differentiate between a boundary four and a boundary six. If your side hit 20 fours and no sixes, scoring 80 runs in boundaries, you are better off than a side that scored 84 boundary runs in 15 fours and four sixes. "
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27200532/why-count-boundaries-determine-wins-world-cup-here-three-better-ways (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27200532/why-count-boundaries-determine-wins-world-cup-here-three-better-ways)
I agree that it isn't the best way of deciding a final, but that was a dreadful article - all three ways he suggested were worse!
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Most boundaries is a terrible tie breaker but wickets lost is not much better.
Just have another super over but both teams have to use different batsmen and bowlers, like a penalty shootout requires teams to cycle through their penalty takers. I'd love to see Jos Buttler chucking down some pies in an effort to defend 9 runs off the 10th or 11th super over.
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Every team agreed to the rules before the tournament. Now two of those rules have hit the final in the nuts, every one is crying. :D
I guaran-f'ing-tee you, if there is another final like this, no rule would satisfy the peanut gallery, somebody will be unhappy. These critical article writers are some of the most disingenuous arm chair sport intellectuals out there.
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Most boundaries is a terrible tie breaker but wickets lost is not much better.
Just have another super over but both teams have to use different batsmen and bowlers, like a penalty shootout requires teams to cycle through their penalty takers. I'd love to see Jos Buttler chucking down some pies in an effort to defend 9 runs off the 10th or 11th super over.
Exactly. Much better idea... and for what it’s worth, a team like England would have a huge edge in this scenario, given how they have the most depth in batting/bowling.
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Every team agreed to the rules before the tournament. Now two of those rules have hit the final in the nuts, every one is crying. :D
I guaran-f'ing-tee you, if there is another final like this, no rule would satisfy the peanut gallery, somebody will be unhappy. These critical article writers are some of the most disingenuous arm chair sport intellectuals out there.
haha well said !
in truth no one really thought it could be that close and therefore....didn't think about a super over, whether 6 was 5 or the number of boundaries each side hit.
it was a good World Cup, some excellent games and a final some of us(me definatley) cant really believe happened.
for that we thank the cricket Gods who were with us on he day :) or...if you believe Rash said to Morgan ''Allah is with us'
having a multi national team maybe means we have more Gods on our side.
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Exactly. Much better idea... and for what it’s worth, a team like England would have a huge edge in this scenario, given how they have the most depth in batting/bowling.
Yup. It's fair and it also benefits teams with more depth/all-round talent. It also penalises you for losing a wicket in the Super Over because that removes what you'd assume would be one of your stronger batsmen for the next super over if one more is needed.
England are the best ODI side in the world and worthy World Champions but man, a 10 team World Cup is awful, this interminable World Cup format was awful and number of boundaries as the tie breaker is awful.
Cricket is the best thing ever in the history of anything and anywhere but the powers that be consistently strive to ensure that it never grows to attract a newer audience because they don't have a goddamn clue about anything and can't look beyond the next tv revenue deal. See: SuperSub rule and the forthcoming Test Championship final and The Hundred in whatever guise it ends up taking.
Greatest thing in the universe and it's run by complete idiots.
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It's amazing how quiet the kiwis have been on this and it's other nations moaning that England won....get over it!
(Generally speaking it's people of this nation) you're gonna lose the ashes as well gents!!!
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It's amazing how quiet the kiwis have been on this and it's other nations moaning that England won....get over it!
(Generally speaking it's people of this nation) you're gonna lose the ashes as well gents!!!
Nobody is moaning about who won.. most neutrals loved the game and think the best side in the world (England) thoroughly deserve this. But that doesn’t mean we have to staunchly defend the boundary countback rule, does it?
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Every team agreed to the rules before the tournament. Now two of those rules have hit the final in the nuts, every one is crying. :D
I guaran-f'ing-tee you, if there is another final like this, no rule would satisfy the peanut gallery, somebody will be unhappy. These critical article writers are some of the most disingenuous arm chair sport intellectuals out there.
Well said
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On a sillier note: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27201128/nine-better-ways-deciding-2019-world-cup-winner (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27201128/nine-better-ways-deciding-2019-world-cup-winner)
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Brilliant. While I love the Pakistan idea, not sure how that would work when Pakistan are in the final. Option 4 involving a real duck and bags of breadcrumbs is clearly the fairest way to decide a world cup...